£2m 'Boris bikes' scheme is rejected after thousands call for New Forest bosses to back it

D-day for £2m 'Boris bikes' scheme in the New Forest

D-day for £2m 'Boris bikes' scheme in the New Forest

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PLANS for a £2million bike rental system in the New Forest have been rejected to the dismay of thousands of supporters.

The New Forest National Park Authority tweeted: “Members have voted not to proceed with the public bike system at this time. We will release a statement on this later today.”

The crunch meeting today was held to decide whether plans for a 'Boris-bike'-style share scheme would go ahead.

Despite a mass of support for the scheme, which came about as a result of £2million funding from the Department for Transport, the New Forest National Park Authority members were recommended to reject the project.

 


Concerns over 'major anti-cycling sentiment' caused by mass cycling events and sponsorship were cited as the main reasons for the unpopular recommendation.

Hundreds of people, including Olympian Chris Boardman, took to social media urging the scheme to go ahead.

Two thousand people signed a petition willing National Park bosses to back it.

And Graham Bright of B-Cycle, who has been awarded the contract to run the hire scheme, said the scheme was not the same as mass cycling events, and the bikes would only be travelling up to 7mph.

Around 250 bikes were planned for implementation around 20 different locations around the New Forest.

The contract was due to be signed in June, but postponed as a result of the concerns.

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11:09am Tue 19 Aug 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

A mountain out of a mole hill?
A mountain out of a mole hill? The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: -3

11:22am Tue 19 Aug 14

Tulyar says...

Really dumb choice of a picture of sporting bike event for a story on public bike hire, you would do better to get pictures from Bath or Glasgow, where public bike hire is now running.

Glasgow, where just 260 bikes have around 4000 subscribers signed up , and have been hired over 14000 times since their launch just a month ago.

The NFNPA will really be shooting themselves in the foot by dumping the 5 FT jobs that are essential to maintain the bikes (based on the 1 post to 50 bikes ratio which has been established in around 20 years of successful public bike hire schemes around the world) They also ignore the fact that is isn't sponsorship that core-funds most schemes but hard-nosed sale of the advertising potential on the bikes - just take a picture of the SouthWest Trains branded Bromptons which have been hired out on a similar scheme that Brian Souter pressed the start button on in 2009 and are now available at Southampton, Portsmouth, Guildford, and Waterloo. Based on current rates the TfL figure of £5.5m per year expected fo the new contract is not far off the mark, and the NFNPA scheme would probably get in excess of £95K per year of revenue funding from selling the branding ion the 250 bike fleet.
Really dumb choice of a picture of sporting bike event for a story on public bike hire, you would do better to get pictures from Bath or Glasgow, where public bike hire is now running. Glasgow, where just 260 bikes have around 4000 subscribers signed up , and have been hired over 14000 times since their launch just a month ago. The NFNPA will really be shooting themselves in the foot by dumping the 5 FT jobs that are essential to maintain the bikes (based on the 1 post to 50 bikes ratio which has been established in around 20 years of successful public bike hire schemes around the world) They also ignore the fact that is isn't sponsorship that core-funds most schemes but hard-nosed sale of the advertising potential on the bikes - just take a picture of the SouthWest Trains branded Bromptons which have been hired out on a similar scheme that Brian Souter pressed the start button on in 2009 and are now available at Southampton, Portsmouth, Guildford, and Waterloo. Based on current rates the TfL figure of £5.5m per year expected fo the new contract is not far off the mark, and the NFNPA scheme would probably get in excess of £95K per year of revenue funding from selling the branding ion the 250 bike fleet. Tulyar
  • Score: 27

11:58am Tue 19 Aug 14

gonzo123 says...

Don't like bikes I like cars
Don't like bikes I like cars gonzo123
  • Score: -23

1:15pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Gooby! says...

A few vocal idiots defining how to recreate in a national park. It isn't yours and if you don't like it- get out.

If they think the can pick a choose the valuable investment into the forest then perhaps it all should be withdrawn and then no need to choose.
A few vocal idiots defining how to recreate in a national park. It isn't yours and if you don't like it- get out. If they think the can pick a choose the valuable investment into the forest then perhaps it all should be withdrawn and then no need to choose. Gooby!
  • Score: 27

1:23pm Tue 19 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

I find it astonishing that anyone local wouldn't want something like this to go ahead. It would be great revenue to local businesses.
I find it astonishing that anyone local wouldn't want something like this to go ahead. It would be great revenue to local businesses. bogtrotter
  • Score: 16

1:50pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Comprende says...

Surely the other schemes are in urban areas, is the New Forest the right place?
When the bikes get punctures etc. is there a support service to help them, a van to pick people up when stuck in the middle of nowhere in the pouring rain?
Impractical idea for the forest, try Bournemouth and its outlying areas first then branch out.
Do these schemes damage the privately run cycle hire businesses?
Surely the other schemes are in urban areas, is the New Forest the right place? When the bikes get punctures etc. is there a support service to help them, a van to pick people up when stuck in the middle of nowhere in the pouring rain? Impractical idea for the forest, try Bournemouth and its outlying areas first then branch out. Do these schemes damage the privately run cycle hire businesses? Comprende
  • Score: 4

4:38pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Markmag says...

Wow, unbelievable. Kudos to the first council in the area to say if New Forest don't want £2 Million of central Government money for a scheme that can only improve tourism, transport and health we'll have it. Bournemouth and Poole councils should jump right on this.
Wow, unbelievable. Kudos to the first council in the area to say if New Forest don't want £2 Million of central Government money for a scheme that can only improve tourism, transport and health we'll have it. Bournemouth and Poole councils should jump right on this. Markmag
  • Score: 14

4:41pm Tue 19 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

Good. There are far better things to do in the New Forest than cycle along the tiny roads there. Why not take a walk among the trees or across the hundreds of acres of open countryside?
Good. There are far better things to do in the New Forest than cycle along the tiny roads there. Why not take a walk among the trees or across the hundreds of acres of open countryside? speedy231278
  • Score: 8

4:47pm Tue 19 Aug 14

eaststandman says...

bogtrotter wrote:
I find it astonishing that anyone local wouldn't want something like this to go ahead. It would be great revenue to local businesses.
Its only astonishing that no cyclist has been killed there yet considering how few use hi-vis/ helmets or indication or even stopping at a junction. Maybe an enclosure would be a good place to teach cycling proficiency.
Cyclists don't have to take tests, are the bikes roadworthy? Have they been drinking?

The New Forest has been there for hundreds of years - shame the biking campaigners have only been there 5 mins and already experts on the place.

Bring on the winter asap.
[quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: I find it astonishing that anyone local wouldn't want something like this to go ahead. It would be great revenue to local businesses.[/p][/quote]Its only astonishing that no cyclist has been killed there yet considering how few use hi-vis/ helmets or indication or even stopping at a junction. Maybe an enclosure would be a good place to teach cycling proficiency. Cyclists don't have to take tests, are the bikes roadworthy? Have they been drinking? The New Forest has been there for hundreds of years - shame the biking campaigners have only been there 5 mins and already experts on the place. Bring on the winter asap. eaststandman
  • Score: -23

4:49pm Tue 19 Aug 14

eaststandman says...

Markmag wrote:
Wow, unbelievable. Kudos to the first council in the area to say if New Forest don't want £2 Million of central Government money for a scheme that can only improve tourism, transport and health we'll have it. Bournemouth and Poole councils should jump right on this.
Absolutely.

Bournemouth and Poole Town Centres are much more attractive than the New Forest.
[quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: Wow, unbelievable. Kudos to the first council in the area to say if New Forest don't want £2 Million of central Government money for a scheme that can only improve tourism, transport and health we'll have it. Bournemouth and Poole councils should jump right on this.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Bournemouth and Poole Town Centres are much more attractive than the New Forest. eaststandman
  • Score: -7

4:50pm Tue 19 Aug 14

bobthedestroyer says...

gonzo123 wrote:
Don't like bikes I like cars
How dare you have an opinion ;-)
[quote][p][bold]gonzo123[/bold] wrote: Don't like bikes I like cars[/p][/quote]How dare you have an opinion ;-) bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 9

5:00pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Teucer2000 says...

Tulyar wrote:
Really dumb choice of a picture of sporting bike event for a story on public bike hire, you would do better to get pictures from Bath or Glasgow, where public bike hire is now running.

Glasgow, where just 260 bikes have around 4000 subscribers signed up , and have been hired over 14000 times since their launch just a month ago.

The NFNPA will really be shooting themselves in the foot by dumping the 5 FT jobs that are essential to maintain the bikes (based on the 1 post to 50 bikes ratio which has been established in around 20 years of successful public bike hire schemes around the world) They also ignore the fact that is isn't sponsorship that core-funds most schemes but hard-nosed sale of the advertising potential on the bikes - just take a picture of the SouthWest Trains branded Bromptons which have been hired out on a similar scheme that Brian Souter pressed the start button on in 2009 and are now available at Southampton, Portsmouth, Guildford, and Waterloo. Based on current rates the TfL figure of £5.5m per year expected fo the new contract is not far off the mark, and the NFNPA scheme would probably get in excess of £95K per year of revenue funding from selling the branding ion the 250 bike fleet.
All these pro cycling comments seem to totally ignore the fact that the New Forest has several well established cycle hire businesses that already employ lots of staff and that are not funded or subsidised by tax payers money.
[quote][p][bold]Tulyar[/bold] wrote: Really dumb choice of a picture of sporting bike event for a story on public bike hire, you would do better to get pictures from Bath or Glasgow, where public bike hire is now running. Glasgow, where just 260 bikes have around 4000 subscribers signed up , and have been hired over 14000 times since their launch just a month ago. The NFNPA will really be shooting themselves in the foot by dumping the 5 FT jobs that are essential to maintain the bikes (based on the 1 post to 50 bikes ratio which has been established in around 20 years of successful public bike hire schemes around the world) They also ignore the fact that is isn't sponsorship that core-funds most schemes but hard-nosed sale of the advertising potential on the bikes - just take a picture of the SouthWest Trains branded Bromptons which have been hired out on a similar scheme that Brian Souter pressed the start button on in 2009 and are now available at Southampton, Portsmouth, Guildford, and Waterloo. Based on current rates the TfL figure of £5.5m per year expected fo the new contract is not far off the mark, and the NFNPA scheme would probably get in excess of £95K per year of revenue funding from selling the branding ion the 250 bike fleet.[/p][/quote]All these pro cycling comments seem to totally ignore the fact that the New Forest has several well established cycle hire businesses that already employ lots of staff and that are not funded or subsidised by tax payers money. Teucer2000
  • Score: 24

5:02pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Arthur Maureen says...

Gooby! wrote:
A few vocal idiots defining how to recreate in a national park. It isn't yours and if you don't like it- get out.

If they think the can pick a choose the valuable investment into the forest then perhaps it all should be withdrawn and then no need to choose.
No, correction - Village Idiots, running around a national park like it's their back garden.. quite embarrassing,
[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote: A few vocal idiots defining how to recreate in a national park. It isn't yours and if you don't like it- get out. If they think the can pick a choose the valuable investment into the forest then perhaps it all should be withdrawn and then no need to choose.[/p][/quote]No, correction - Village Idiots, running around a national park like it's their back garden.. quite embarrassing, Arthur Maureen
  • Score: 3

5:02pm Tue 19 Aug 14

forest-dweller says...

Don't most locals have a bike anyway, at least those that want to ride? I rarely want to ride, but still have a bike. If so, then this would be for tourists. There are plenty of bikes that can be hired so again no need for this scheme. It comes across as cycling groups wanting to introduce this to further the cause of the cycling lobby in the New Forest. We all know cycling in the Forest is a bit of a hot topic. As it is, there are a huge number of cycle paths in the Forest - I was on one on the weekend, and walked for over an hour & half and saw only 4 cyclists. Surprised, not least because these paths offer no conflict with cars and go through truly peaceful areas.
Don't most locals have a bike anyway, at least those that want to ride? I rarely want to ride, but still have a bike. If so, then this would be for tourists. There are plenty of bikes that can be hired so again no need for this scheme. It comes across as cycling groups wanting to introduce this to further the cause of the cycling lobby in the New Forest. We all know cycling in the Forest is a bit of a hot topic. As it is, there are a huge number of cycle paths in the Forest - I was on one on the weekend, and walked for over an hour & half and saw only 4 cyclists. Surprised, not least because these paths offer no conflict with cars and go through truly peaceful areas. forest-dweller
  • Score: 9

5:36pm Tue 19 Aug 14

manyogie says...

I,m a life long pedestrian, not a driver, and found it wrong when I bought a bike for £50 and went straight out on the main road with it, with zero road sense, high via, helmet or anything.
Bike schemes are a good thing, but I can't rent a car without a license or insurance
I,m a life long pedestrian, not a driver, and found it wrong when I bought a bike for £50 and went straight out on the main road with it, with zero road sense, high via, helmet or anything. Bike schemes are a good thing, but I can't rent a car without a license or insurance manyogie
  • Score: -3

5:38pm Tue 19 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

I'm surprised that the New Forest roads aren't gridlocked with people celebrating the success of keeping bikes out of the forest, or are they now too fat to fit through the doors of their 4x4s?
I'm surprised that the New Forest roads aren't gridlocked with people celebrating the success of keeping bikes out of the forest, or are they now too fat to fit through the doors of their 4x4s? breamoreboy
  • Score: 10

5:47pm Tue 19 Aug 14

DUCKFEEDER says...

eaststandman wrote:
bogtrotter wrote:
I find it astonishing that anyone local wouldn't want something like this to go ahead. It would be great revenue to local businesses.
Its only astonishing that no cyclist has been killed there yet considering how few use hi-vis/ helmets or indication or even stopping at a junction. Maybe an enclosure would be a good place to teach cycling proficiency.
Cyclists don't have to take tests, are the bikes roadworthy? Have they been drinking?

The New Forest has been there for hundreds of years - shame the biking campaigners have only been there 5 mins and already experts on the place.

Bring on the winter asap.
there we go drunk in charge of a push bike,perhaps you don't want cyclists in the New Forest because you can't drive round them
[quote][p][bold]eaststandman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: I find it astonishing that anyone local wouldn't want something like this to go ahead. It would be great revenue to local businesses.[/p][/quote]Its only astonishing that no cyclist has been killed there yet considering how few use hi-vis/ helmets or indication or even stopping at a junction. Maybe an enclosure would be a good place to teach cycling proficiency. Cyclists don't have to take tests, are the bikes roadworthy? Have they been drinking? The New Forest has been there for hundreds of years - shame the biking campaigners have only been there 5 mins and already experts on the place. Bring on the winter asap.[/p][/quote]there we go drunk in charge of a push bike,perhaps you don't want cyclists in the New Forest because you can't drive round them DUCKFEEDER
  • Score: 0

5:51pm Tue 19 Aug 14

DUCKFEEDER says...

bogtrotter wrote:
I find it astonishing that anyone local wouldn't want something like this to go ahead. It would be great revenue to local businesses.
let all the cyclist boycott the New Forest ,see how many business rely on this passing trade.
[quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: I find it astonishing that anyone local wouldn't want something like this to go ahead. It would be great revenue to local businesses.[/p][/quote]let all the cyclist boycott the New Forest ,see how many business rely on this passing trade. DUCKFEEDER
  • Score: 15

6:20pm Tue 19 Aug 14

rgjamieson says...

There are several bike hire shops already in existence in the forest. I don't see the need for this scheme. Schemes of this type are more suited to urban environments.
There are several bike hire shops already in existence in the forest. I don't see the need for this scheme. Schemes of this type are more suited to urban environments. rgjamieson
  • Score: 11

6:21pm Tue 19 Aug 14

rgjamieson says...

Tulyar wrote:
Really dumb choice of a picture of sporting bike event for a story on public bike hire, you would do better to get pictures from Bath or Glasgow, where public bike hire is now running.

Glasgow, where just 260 bikes have around 4000 subscribers signed up , and have been hired over 14000 times since their launch just a month ago.

The NFNPA will really be shooting themselves in the foot by dumping the 5 FT jobs that are essential to maintain the bikes (based on the 1 post to 50 bikes ratio which has been established in around 20 years of successful public bike hire schemes around the world) They also ignore the fact that is isn't sponsorship that core-funds most schemes but hard-nosed sale of the advertising potential on the bikes - just take a picture of the SouthWest Trains branded Bromptons which have been hired out on a similar scheme that Brian Souter pressed the start button on in 2009 and are now available at Southampton, Portsmouth, Guildford, and Waterloo. Based on current rates the TfL figure of £5.5m per year expected fo the new contract is not far off the mark, and the NFNPA scheme would probably get in excess of £95K per year of revenue funding from selling the branding ion the 250 bike fleet.
Urban schemes different from this proposal.
[quote][p][bold]Tulyar[/bold] wrote: Really dumb choice of a picture of sporting bike event for a story on public bike hire, you would do better to get pictures from Bath or Glasgow, where public bike hire is now running. Glasgow, where just 260 bikes have around 4000 subscribers signed up , and have been hired over 14000 times since their launch just a month ago. The NFNPA will really be shooting themselves in the foot by dumping the 5 FT jobs that are essential to maintain the bikes (based on the 1 post to 50 bikes ratio which has been established in around 20 years of successful public bike hire schemes around the world) They also ignore the fact that is isn't sponsorship that core-funds most schemes but hard-nosed sale of the advertising potential on the bikes - just take a picture of the SouthWest Trains branded Bromptons which have been hired out on a similar scheme that Brian Souter pressed the start button on in 2009 and are now available at Southampton, Portsmouth, Guildford, and Waterloo. Based on current rates the TfL figure of £5.5m per year expected fo the new contract is not far off the mark, and the NFNPA scheme would probably get in excess of £95K per year of revenue funding from selling the branding ion the 250 bike fleet.[/p][/quote]Urban schemes different from this proposal. rgjamieson
  • Score: -2

6:48pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Ayles 10 says...

DUCKFEEDER wrote:
bogtrotter wrote:
I find it astonishing that anyone local wouldn't want something like this to go ahead. It would be great revenue to local businesses.
let all the cyclist boycott the New Forest ,see how many business rely on this passing trade.
Yes! Let's give it a go. I'm sure the benefits of them boycotting the area would far outweigh the upset they cause to the locals by being here with their arrogance and general air of superiority. Brilliant idea!
[quote][p][bold]DUCKFEEDER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: I find it astonishing that anyone local wouldn't want something like this to go ahead. It would be great revenue to local businesses.[/p][/quote]let all the cyclist boycott the New Forest ,see how many business rely on this passing trade.[/p][/quote]Yes! Let's give it a go. I'm sure the benefits of them boycotting the area would far outweigh the upset they cause to the locals by being here with their arrogance and general air of superiority. Brilliant idea! Ayles 10
  • Score: -4

7:05pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Alantrom says...

NIMBY's rule I have to agree with a few other comments. It seems as if a small voacl minority don't want other people to come and play in their Back Yard, especially if they want to hire one of those evil machines called a bicycle! Clog up the roads with cars instead?
NIMBY's rule I have to agree with a few other comments. It seems as if a small voacl minority don't want other people to come and play in their Back Yard, especially if they want to hire one of those evil machines called a bicycle! Clog up the roads with cars instead? Alantrom
  • Score: 5

7:21pm Tue 19 Aug 14

blackdog1 says...

Good decision!
Good decision! blackdog1
  • Score: 0

7:23pm Tue 19 Aug 14

bobthedestroyer says...

Alantrom wrote:
NIMBY's rule I have to agree with a few other comments. It seems as if a small voacl minority don't want other people to come and play in their Back Yard, especially if they want to hire one of those evil machines called a bicycle! Clog up the roads with cars instead?
Not disagreeing with your views but how do most people get to the Forest in the first place? The train is becoming less of an option with another above inflation increase in fares announced today. So most people will drive then hire a bike, so traffic within the Forest is reduced but traffic to the Forest increases. Until there is serious investment in public transport people will continue to use their cars.
[quote][p][bold]Alantrom[/bold] wrote: NIMBY's rule I have to agree with a few other comments. It seems as if a small voacl minority don't want other people to come and play in their Back Yard, especially if they want to hire one of those evil machines called a bicycle! Clog up the roads with cars instead?[/p][/quote]Not disagreeing with your views but how do most people get to the Forest in the first place? The train is becoming less of an option with another above inflation increase in fares announced today. So most people will drive then hire a bike, so traffic within the Forest is reduced but traffic to the Forest increases. Until there is serious investment in public transport people will continue to use their cars. bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 9

8:09pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Karmenn says...

bobthedestroyer wrote:
Alantrom wrote:
NIMBY's rule I have to agree with a few other comments. It seems as if a small voacl minority don't want other people to come and play in their Back Yard, especially if they want to hire one of those evil machines called a bicycle! Clog up the roads with cars instead?
Not disagreeing with your views but how do most people get to the Forest in the first place? The train is becoming less of an option with another above inflation increase in fares announced today. So most people will drive then hire a bike, so traffic within the Forest is reduced but traffic to the Forest increases. Until there is serious investment in public transport people will continue to use their cars.
Or maybe the cycle scheme will be on the outskirts, people hire the bikes and cycle into the forest and on the cycle tracks. Thus no need to drive into the forest as you've stated. Less traffic, less pollution and safe for children to cycle and visit the local sites and easier for people to stop and use local business (restaurant ect..). Surely the locals who have been born with a silver spoon and think they own the forest will be happier with that as surely even they don't resent children cycling and enjoying the forest....do you..??
[quote][p][bold]bobthedestroyer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alantrom[/bold] wrote: NIMBY's rule I have to agree with a few other comments. It seems as if a small voacl minority don't want other people to come and play in their Back Yard, especially if they want to hire one of those evil machines called a bicycle! Clog up the roads with cars instead?[/p][/quote]Not disagreeing with your views but how do most people get to the Forest in the first place? The train is becoming less of an option with another above inflation increase in fares announced today. So most people will drive then hire a bike, so traffic within the Forest is reduced but traffic to the Forest increases. Until there is serious investment in public transport people will continue to use their cars.[/p][/quote]Or maybe the cycle scheme will be on the outskirts, people hire the bikes and cycle into the forest and on the cycle tracks. Thus no need to drive into the forest as you've stated. Less traffic, less pollution and safe for children to cycle and visit the local sites and easier for people to stop and use local business (restaurant ect..). Surely the locals who have been born with a silver spoon and think they own the forest will be happier with that as surely even they don't resent children cycling and enjoying the forest....do you..?? Karmenn
  • Score: 4

9:02pm Tue 19 Aug 14

sar72 says...

DUCKFEEDER wrote:
bogtrotter wrote:
I find it astonishing that anyone local wouldn't want something like this to go ahead. It would be great revenue to local businesses.
let all the cyclist boycott the New Forest ,see how many business rely on this passing trade.
Great, now the sad middle aged lycra wearing fools can do one.
[quote][p][bold]DUCKFEEDER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: I find it astonishing that anyone local wouldn't want something like this to go ahead. It would be great revenue to local businesses.[/p][/quote]let all the cyclist boycott the New Forest ,see how many business rely on this passing trade.[/p][/quote]Great, now the sad middle aged lycra wearing fools can do one. sar72
  • Score: -4

9:11pm Tue 19 Aug 14

sprintervanman says...

Well i guess they have proved one thing and that is simply they are Anti-cycling and their arguments about the Mass cycle events within the New Forest are purely the dislike of people on bicycles and nothing else.Do they not understand that it is the Visitor to the Forest that is most likely to hire these bicycle(s), perhaps as a Family who would like to park the car and get out and explore at a more sedate pace and not the Sportive Riders. Classic example of Backward England when the rest of Europe are investing more and more into sustainable transport to encourage people to get out and get active.As for the New Forest being a National Park for everyone, National joke now and nothing else.
Well i guess they have proved one thing and that is simply they are Anti-cycling and their arguments about the Mass cycle events within the New Forest are purely the dislike of people on bicycles and nothing else.Do they not understand that it is the Visitor to the Forest that is most likely to hire these bicycle(s), perhaps as a Family who would like to park the car and get out and explore at a more sedate pace and not the Sportive Riders. Classic example of Backward England when the rest of Europe are investing more and more into sustainable transport to encourage people to get out and get active.As for the New Forest being a National Park for everyone, National joke now and nothing else. sprintervanman
  • Score: 12

9:36pm Tue 19 Aug 14

steveatbournemouth says...

A National Park but who decides what happens, no doubt the decision making process doesn't take account of local interests, it must need a re think, who votes for these people, not ME.
A National Park but who decides what happens, no doubt the decision making process doesn't take account of local interests, it must need a re think, who votes for these people, not ME. steveatbournemouth
  • Score: -2

9:48pm Tue 19 Aug 14

steveatbournemouth says...

Firstly, has anyone ever gone onto their website to complain, it's so out of date it needs coming into this century, get an IT EXPERT. Secondly, who votes for these t*****s, not me. Get them out now.
Firstly, has anyone ever gone onto their website to complain, it's so out of date it needs coming into this century, get an IT EXPERT. Secondly, who votes for these t*****s, not me. Get them out now. steveatbournemouth
  • Score: -2

9:58pm Tue 19 Aug 14

sprintervanman says...

steveatbournemouth wrote:
Firstly, has anyone ever gone onto their website to complain, it's so out of date it needs coming into this century, get an IT EXPERT. Secondly, who votes for these t*****s, not me. Get them out now.
If you go onto the official New Forest Web Site.You notice two things.There is no comment/feedback page and the 'blog' has only reports from the site themselves telling how wonderful it is......I wonder why ?
[quote][p][bold]steveatbournemouth[/bold] wrote: Firstly, has anyone ever gone onto their website to complain, it's so out of date it needs coming into this century, get an IT EXPERT. Secondly, who votes for these t*****s, not me. Get them out now.[/p][/quote]If you go onto the official New Forest Web Site.You notice two things.There is no comment/feedback page and the 'blog' has only reports from the site themselves telling how wonderful it is......I wonder why ? sprintervanman
  • Score: -1

10:48pm Tue 19 Aug 14

sprintervanman says...

please feel free to continue thumbs downing positive cycling comments.The more the better to prove the narrow mindedness of the UK when it comes to encouraging people to escape the tin box and feel a bit of freedom and well being.
please feel free to continue thumbs downing positive cycling comments.The more the better to prove the narrow mindedness of the UK when it comes to encouraging people to escape the tin box and feel a bit of freedom and well being. sprintervanman
  • Score: 0

10:57pm Tue 19 Aug 14

eaststandman says...

DUCKFEEDER wrote:
bogtrotter wrote:
I find it astonishing that anyone local wouldn't want something like this to go ahead. It would be great revenue to local businesses.
let all the cyclist boycott the New Forest ,see how many business rely on this passing trade.
Very few !! Most cyclists pass straight through without any money on them. They're a dangerous hinderence.

Stop trying to turn the forest into another townies playground. Come to the forest and treat it like one of the last few underdeveloped areas left in Britain. And enjoy it the way it is.
[quote][p][bold]DUCKFEEDER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: I find it astonishing that anyone local wouldn't want something like this to go ahead. It would be great revenue to local businesses.[/p][/quote]let all the cyclist boycott the New Forest ,see how many business rely on this passing trade.[/p][/quote]Very few !! Most cyclists pass straight through without any money on them. They're a dangerous hinderence. Stop trying to turn the forest into another townies playground. Come to the forest and treat it like one of the last few underdeveloped areas left in Britain. And enjoy it the way it is. eaststandman
  • Score: -1

11:05pm Tue 19 Aug 14

sprintervanman says...

eaststandman wrote:
DUCKFEEDER wrote:
bogtrotter wrote:
I find it astonishing that anyone local wouldn't want something like this to go ahead. It would be great revenue to local businesses.
let all the cyclist boycott the New Forest ,see how many business rely on this passing trade.
Very few !! Most cyclists pass straight through without any money on them. They're a dangerous hinderence.

Stop trying to turn the forest into another townies playground. Come to the forest and treat it like one of the last few underdeveloped areas left in Britain. And enjoy it the way it is.
so if they pass straight through with no money or the need to stop they are hardly a dangerous hinderence are they really! .
[quote][p][bold]eaststandman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DUCKFEEDER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: I find it astonishing that anyone local wouldn't want something like this to go ahead. It would be great revenue to local businesses.[/p][/quote]let all the cyclist boycott the New Forest ,see how many business rely on this passing trade.[/p][/quote]Very few !! Most cyclists pass straight through without any money on them. They're a dangerous hinderence. Stop trying to turn the forest into another townies playground. Come to the forest and treat it like one of the last few underdeveloped areas left in Britain. And enjoy it the way it is.[/p][/quote]so if they pass straight through with no money or the need to stop they are hardly a dangerous hinderence are they really! . sprintervanman
  • Score: 6

11:09pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Yankee1 says...

BorisBikes in London rely upon Barclay's sponsorship.

Who would sponsor these? The grant is tiny, compared to the ongoing costs of running this money loser. It would be doomed to failure in a matter of months.

Wise decision.
BorisBikes in London rely upon Barclay's sponsorship. Who would sponsor these? The grant is tiny, compared to the ongoing costs of running this money loser. It would be doomed to failure in a matter of months. Wise decision. Yankee1
  • Score: 4

11:18pm Tue 19 Aug 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

gonzo123 wrote:
Don't like bikes I like cars
Enjoying the forest from a car must be lovely when you're 90 yrs old ;)
[quote][p][bold]gonzo123[/bold] wrote: Don't like bikes I like cars[/p][/quote]Enjoying the forest from a car must be lovely when you're 90 yrs old ;) HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: -2

11:21pm Tue 19 Aug 14

sprintervanman says...

Yankee1 wrote:
BorisBikes in London rely upon Barclay's sponsorship.

Who would sponsor these? The grant is tiny, compared to the ongoing costs of running this money loser. It would be doomed to failure in a matter of months.

Wise decision.
of cause it is doomed from the start.The New Forest has declared itself an anti-cycling zone regardless of a 2 million pound grant from the department of transport to Kick start it. Who would sponsor a scheme in such a narrow minded selfish snobbish so called area welcome to all to enjoy...but no cycling please.
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: BorisBikes in London rely upon Barclay's sponsorship. Who would sponsor these? The grant is tiny, compared to the ongoing costs of running this money loser. It would be doomed to failure in a matter of months. Wise decision.[/p][/quote]of cause it is doomed from the start.The New Forest has declared itself an anti-cycling zone regardless of a 2 million pound grant from the department of transport to Kick start it. Who would sponsor a scheme in such a narrow minded selfish snobbish so called area welcome to all to enjoy...but no cycling please. sprintervanman
  • Score: 0

11:24pm Tue 19 Aug 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

manyogie wrote:
I,m a life long pedestrian, not a driver, and found it wrong when I bought a bike for £50 and went straight out on the main road with it, with zero road sense, high via, helmet or anything.
Bike schemes are a good thing, but I can't rent a car without a license or insurance
That's a good thing because a car will do you a lot more damage than a bike if it hits you.
[quote][p][bold]manyogie[/bold] wrote: I,m a life long pedestrian, not a driver, and found it wrong when I bought a bike for £50 and went straight out on the main road with it, with zero road sense, high via, helmet or anything. Bike schemes are a good thing, but I can't rent a car without a license or insurance[/p][/quote]That's a good thing because a car will do you a lot more damage than a bike if it hits you. HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 2

11:55pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Fimorph says...

Families hiring a bike for an afternoon ride is so vastly different to mass cycling events.
Why don't the people of the New Forest embrace a one or two yearly event like the people of London do for the marathon and the London/Surrey 100 cycle ride? Think about the Tour de France?
Close off the roads specifically for an organised event so there are no issues with vehicles and residents and then the Forest is there for the general public to enjoy for the rest of the year.
It's very short sighted of the decision makers not to see the benefit that the number of visiting people would bring to the local economy.
Why clog up the beautiful roads with more and more vehicles and the associated accidents that inevitably happen. Let people get out there and enjoy the New Forest in a way that suits them - event or not!
Families hiring a bike for an afternoon ride is so vastly different to mass cycling events. Why don't the people of the New Forest embrace a one or two yearly event like the people of London do for the marathon and the London/Surrey 100 cycle ride? Think about the Tour de France? Close off the roads specifically for an organised event so there are no issues with vehicles and residents and then the Forest is there for the general public to enjoy for the rest of the year. It's very short sighted of the decision makers not to see the benefit that the number of visiting people would bring to the local economy. Why clog up the beautiful roads with more and more vehicles and the associated accidents that inevitably happen. Let people get out there and enjoy the New Forest in a way that suits them - event or not! Fimorph
  • Score: 5

12:14am Wed 20 Aug 14

sprintervanman says...

Fimorph wrote:
Families hiring a bike for an afternoon ride is so vastly different to mass cycling events.
Why don't the people of the New Forest embrace a one or two yearly event like the people of London do for the marathon and the London/Surrey 100 cycle ride? Think about the Tour de France?
Close off the roads specifically for an organised event so there are no issues with vehicles and residents and then the Forest is there for the general public to enjoy for the rest of the year.
It's very short sighted of the decision makers not to see the benefit that the number of visiting people would bring to the local economy.
Why clog up the beautiful roads with more and more vehicles and the associated accidents that inevitably happen. Let people get out there and enjoy the New Forest in a way that suits them - event or not!
Cycle+embrace is not understood by the New Forest .Short sighted+welcome clogged roads with cars is.
[quote][p][bold]Fimorph[/bold] wrote: Families hiring a bike for an afternoon ride is so vastly different to mass cycling events. Why don't the people of the New Forest embrace a one or two yearly event like the people of London do for the marathon and the London/Surrey 100 cycle ride? Think about the Tour de France? Close off the roads specifically for an organised event so there are no issues with vehicles and residents and then the Forest is there for the general public to enjoy for the rest of the year. It's very short sighted of the decision makers not to see the benefit that the number of visiting people would bring to the local economy. Why clog up the beautiful roads with more and more vehicles and the associated accidents that inevitably happen. Let people get out there and enjoy the New Forest in a way that suits them - event or not![/p][/quote]Cycle+embrace is not understood by the New Forest .Short sighted+welcome clogged roads with cars is. sprintervanman
  • Score: 1

12:40am Wed 20 Aug 14

HiGene says...

It's a local forest for local people.

http://youtu.be/meF7
NmfnXZ0?t=48s
It's a local forest for local people. http://youtu.be/meF7 NmfnXZ0?t=48s HiGene
  • Score: 2

6:17am Wed 20 Aug 14

bobthedestroyer says...

Karmenn wrote:
bobthedestroyer wrote:
Alantrom wrote:
NIMBY's rule I have to agree with a few other comments. It seems as if a small voacl minority don't want other people to come and play in their Back Yard, especially if they want to hire one of those evil machines called a bicycle! Clog up the roads with cars instead?
Not disagreeing with your views but how do most people get to the Forest in the first place? The train is becoming less of an option with another above inflation increase in fares announced today. So most people will drive then hire a bike, so traffic within the Forest is reduced but traffic to the Forest increases. Until there is serious investment in public transport people will continue to use their cars.
Or maybe the cycle scheme will be on the outskirts, people hire the bikes and cycle into the forest and on the cycle tracks. Thus no need to drive into the forest as you've stated. Less traffic, less pollution and safe for children to cycle and visit the local sites and easier for people to stop and use local business (restaurant ect..). Surely the locals who have been born with a silver spoon and think they own the forest will be happier with that as surely even they don't resent children cycling and enjoying the forest....do you..??
Again you still have to drive if you don't live on the outskirts of the New Forest. Not sure why you assume I resent cycling. I was just referring to the practicalities of the situation. When they hold cycling events does everyone cycle or do they drive to the starting point? As my previous comment states until there is serious investment in public transport the situation won't change.
[quote][p][bold]Karmenn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobthedestroyer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alantrom[/bold] wrote: NIMBY's rule I have to agree with a few other comments. It seems as if a small voacl minority don't want other people to come and play in their Back Yard, especially if they want to hire one of those evil machines called a bicycle! Clog up the roads with cars instead?[/p][/quote]Not disagreeing with your views but how do most people get to the Forest in the first place? The train is becoming less of an option with another above inflation increase in fares announced today. So most people will drive then hire a bike, so traffic within the Forest is reduced but traffic to the Forest increases. Until there is serious investment in public transport people will continue to use their cars.[/p][/quote]Or maybe the cycle scheme will be on the outskirts, people hire the bikes and cycle into the forest and on the cycle tracks. Thus no need to drive into the forest as you've stated. Less traffic, less pollution and safe for children to cycle and visit the local sites and easier for people to stop and use local business (restaurant ect..). Surely the locals who have been born with a silver spoon and think they own the forest will be happier with that as surely even they don't resent children cycling and enjoying the forest....do you..??[/p][/quote]Again you still have to drive if you don't live on the outskirts of the New Forest. Not sure why you assume I resent cycling. I was just referring to the practicalities of the situation. When they hold cycling events does everyone cycle or do they drive to the starting point? As my previous comment states until there is serious investment in public transport the situation won't change. bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 4

6:24am Wed 20 Aug 14

bobthedestroyer says...

sprintervanman wrote:
Well i guess they have proved one thing and that is simply they are Anti-cycling and their arguments about the Mass cycle events within the New Forest are purely the dislike of people on bicycles and nothing else.Do they not understand that it is the Visitor to the Forest that is most likely to hire these bicycle(s), perhaps as a Family who would like to park the car and get out and explore at a more sedate pace and not the Sportive Riders. Classic example of Backward England when the rest of Europe are investing more and more into sustainable transport to encourage people to get out and get active.As for the New Forest being a National Park for everyone, National joke now and nothing else.
You reinforce my point. "Park the car" the majority of visitors to the Forest won't park their cars and get on a bike as "they have the car". Personally I don't see why they rejected it, what impact would it have had to set the scheme up. Rejecting an application to build a nuclear waste management site yes, rejecting a forms of cycle hire a tad excessive
[quote][p][bold]sprintervanman[/bold] wrote: Well i guess they have proved one thing and that is simply they are Anti-cycling and their arguments about the Mass cycle events within the New Forest are purely the dislike of people on bicycles and nothing else.Do they not understand that it is the Visitor to the Forest that is most likely to hire these bicycle(s), perhaps as a Family who would like to park the car and get out and explore at a more sedate pace and not the Sportive Riders. Classic example of Backward England when the rest of Europe are investing more and more into sustainable transport to encourage people to get out and get active.As for the New Forest being a National Park for everyone, National joke now and nothing else.[/p][/quote]You reinforce my point. "Park the car" the majority of visitors to the Forest won't park their cars and get on a bike as "they have the car". Personally I don't see why they rejected it, what impact would it have had to set the scheme up. Rejecting an application to build a nuclear waste management site yes, rejecting a forms of cycle hire a tad excessive bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 5

6:26am Wed 20 Aug 14

bobthedestroyer says...

Tulyar wrote:
Really dumb choice of a picture of sporting bike event for a story on public bike hire, you would do better to get pictures from Bath or Glasgow, where public bike hire is now running.

Glasgow, where just 260 bikes have around 4000 subscribers signed up , and have been hired over 14000 times since their launch just a month ago.

The NFNPA will really be shooting themselves in the foot by dumping the 5 FT jobs that are essential to maintain the bikes (based on the 1 post to 50 bikes ratio which has been established in around 20 years of successful public bike hire schemes around the world) They also ignore the fact that is isn't sponsorship that core-funds most schemes but hard-nosed sale of the advertising potential on the bikes - just take a picture of the SouthWest Trains branded Bromptons which have been hired out on a similar scheme that Brian Souter pressed the start button on in 2009 and are now available at Southampton, Portsmouth, Guildford, and Waterloo. Based on current rates the TfL figure of £5.5m per year expected fo the new contract is not far off the mark, and the NFNPA scheme would probably get in excess of £95K per year of revenue funding from selling the branding ion the 250 bike fleet.
They used that one to get people going. I can really see cycle race enthusiasts turning up to hire a bike on the day ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Tulyar[/bold] wrote: Really dumb choice of a picture of sporting bike event for a story on public bike hire, you would do better to get pictures from Bath or Glasgow, where public bike hire is now running. Glasgow, where just 260 bikes have around 4000 subscribers signed up , and have been hired over 14000 times since their launch just a month ago. The NFNPA will really be shooting themselves in the foot by dumping the 5 FT jobs that are essential to maintain the bikes (based on the 1 post to 50 bikes ratio which has been established in around 20 years of successful public bike hire schemes around the world) They also ignore the fact that is isn't sponsorship that core-funds most schemes but hard-nosed sale of the advertising potential on the bikes - just take a picture of the SouthWest Trains branded Bromptons which have been hired out on a similar scheme that Brian Souter pressed the start button on in 2009 and are now available at Southampton, Portsmouth, Guildford, and Waterloo. Based on current rates the TfL figure of £5.5m per year expected fo the new contract is not far off the mark, and the NFNPA scheme would probably get in excess of £95K per year of revenue funding from selling the branding ion the 250 bike fleet.[/p][/quote]They used that one to get people going. I can really see cycle race enthusiasts turning up to hire a bike on the day ;-) bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 0

7:19am Wed 20 Aug 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

I hope they take the £2m away from them.
I hope they take the £2m away from them. The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 4

8:15am Wed 20 Aug 14

thisloginprocessisdaft says...

Funny how people hate cycles but love polluting their back garden. Strange folk out there in them woods.

Why are people so anti cycling? It's a great way to get about, keeps you fit and doesn't pollute the air.

I know that some ignore the rules of the road but those in motor vehicles do so more and with dire consequences.

The urban areas are so crowded with motor vehicles that being able to escape to the New Forest would have been great for all.
Funny how people hate cycles but love polluting their back garden. Strange folk out there in them woods. Why are people so anti cycling? It's a great way to get about, keeps you fit and doesn't pollute the air. I know that some ignore the rules of the road but those in motor vehicles do so more and with dire consequences. The urban areas are so crowded with motor vehicles that being able to escape to the New Forest would have been great for all. thisloginprocessisdaft
  • Score: 6

10:25am Wed 20 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

Ayles 10 wrote:
DUCKFEEDER wrote:
bogtrotter wrote:
I find it astonishing that anyone local wouldn't want something like this to go ahead. It would be great revenue to local businesses.
let all the cyclist boycott the New Forest ,see how many business rely on this passing trade.
Yes! Let's give it a go. I'm sure the benefits of them boycotting the area would far outweigh the upset they cause to the locals by being here with their arrogance and general air of superiority. Brilliant idea!
Good attitude. So in business, you have to like every customer? If so, you wouldn't last too long.
[quote][p][bold]Ayles 10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DUCKFEEDER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: I find it astonishing that anyone local wouldn't want something like this to go ahead. It would be great revenue to local businesses.[/p][/quote]let all the cyclist boycott the New Forest ,see how many business rely on this passing trade.[/p][/quote]Yes! Let's give it a go. I'm sure the benefits of them boycotting the area would far outweigh the upset they cause to the locals by being here with their arrogance and general air of superiority. Brilliant idea![/p][/quote]Good attitude. So in business, you have to like every customer? If so, you wouldn't last too long. bogtrotter
  • Score: 0

12:50pm Wed 20 Aug 14

FNS-man says...

Embarrassing decision.
Embarrassing decision. FNS-man
  • Score: -1

10:41pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Bandit_Mother says...

A crazy decision. The rest of the country has woken up to the need to get people out of their cars, along with the huge rise in cycling popularity and the benefits that it brings, yet the narrow minded NFNPA can’t see the wood for the trees.

Last week, Manchester City Council have reduced the speed limit on 1/3rd of the City’s streets to 20mph in a bid to get more people on their bikes, funded by the HEALTH budget. Leeds are spending £4million on redesigning the streets to make them safer for cyclist. And just how many millions of us were on the roads watching the Tour De France last month?

Yes there are bike hire shops already in place, but that’s a completely different product to what’s been offered, a one-way cycle hire with multiple drop-off/collection points all around the forest.

Yet the NFNPA who simply need to say ‘Yes please’ can’t see past next weekend. It’s embarrassing frankly.
A crazy decision. The rest of the country has woken up to the need to get people out of their cars, along with the huge rise in cycling popularity and the benefits that it brings, yet the narrow minded NFNPA can’t see the wood for the trees. Last week, Manchester City Council have reduced the speed limit on 1/3rd of the City’s streets to 20mph in a bid to get more people on their bikes, funded by the HEALTH budget. Leeds are spending £4million on redesigning the streets to make them safer for cyclist. And just how many millions of us were on the roads watching the Tour De France last month? Yes there are bike hire shops already in place, but that’s a completely different product to what’s been offered, a one-way cycle hire with multiple drop-off/collection points all around the forest. Yet the NFNPA who simply need to say ‘Yes please’ can’t see past next weekend. It’s embarrassing frankly. Bandit_Mother
  • Score: 1

9:12am Thu 21 Aug 14

Rick White says...

Perhaps all those that wanted this scheme should now go and knock on Mr Barden's door, he of the mass Wiggle Events, and thank him for the obvious animosity that his events have caused. His personal gain will have an adverse effect on so many. Money rules eh?
Perhaps all those that wanted this scheme should now go and knock on Mr Barden's door, he of the mass Wiggle Events, and thank him for the obvious animosity that his events have caused. His personal gain will have an adverse effect on so many. Money rules eh? Rick White
  • Score: 4

9:27am Sat 6 Sep 14

newforestbloke says...

Bandit_Mother wrote:
A crazy decision. The rest of the country has woken up to the need to get people out of their cars, along with the huge rise in cycling popularity and the benefits that it brings, yet the narrow minded NFNPA can’t see the wood for the trees.

Last week, Manchester City Council have reduced the speed limit on 1/3rd of the City’s streets to 20mph in a bid to get more people on their bikes, funded by the HEALTH budget. Leeds are spending £4million on redesigning the streets to make them safer for cyclist. And just how many millions of us were on the roads watching the Tour De France last month?

Yes there are bike hire shops already in place, but that’s a completely different product to what’s been offered, a one-way cycle hire with multiple drop-off/collection points all around the forest.

Yet the NFNPA who simply need to say ‘Yes please’ can’t see past next weekend. It’s embarrassing frankly.
so what is approprite in an urban environment is appropriate in a national park?

Manchester has trams. So why not reopen the railway between Brockenhurst and Ringwood with trams terminating in both town centres. Of course this will never happen due to the fact that people hate trams

The Tour de France this year was a once in a lifetime event. Mr Barden refuses to come to a voulantary agreement regarding the size and frequency of his events. After six years without a response is it any wonder that saome ave adopted an anti cycling stance
[quote][p][bold]Bandit_Mother[/bold] wrote: A crazy decision. The rest of the country has woken up to the need to get people out of their cars, along with the huge rise in cycling popularity and the benefits that it brings, yet the narrow minded NFNPA can’t see the wood for the trees. Last week, Manchester City Council have reduced the speed limit on 1/3rd of the City’s streets to 20mph in a bid to get more people on their bikes, funded by the HEALTH budget. Leeds are spending £4million on redesigning the streets to make them safer for cyclist. And just how many millions of us were on the roads watching the Tour De France last month? Yes there are bike hire shops already in place, but that’s a completely different product to what’s been offered, a one-way cycle hire with multiple drop-off/collection points all around the forest. Yet the NFNPA who simply need to say ‘Yes please’ can’t see past next weekend. It’s embarrassing frankly.[/p][/quote]so what is approprite in an urban environment is appropriate in a national park? Manchester has trams. So why not reopen the railway between Brockenhurst and Ringwood with trams terminating in both town centres. Of course this will never happen due to the fact that people hate trams The Tour de France this year was a once in a lifetime event. Mr Barden refuses to come to a voulantary agreement regarding the size and frequency of his events. After six years without a response is it any wonder that saome ave adopted an anti cycling stance newforestbloke
  • Score: 0

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