Call for new bridge over railway line in Poole due to fears over vitality of Poole High Street

BUSY: The crossing

BUSY: The crossing

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A NEW bridge over the railway line in Poole is being sought by a councillor who fears for the vitality of the town centre.

Poole People leader and town councillor Mark Howell is concerned about the upgrade to the pedestrian rail crossing in the High Street and a motion has been passed at an area committee meeting calling for it to be monitored.

He says that since Network Rail upgraded the pedestrian crossing the barriers are dropped earlier, resulting in more people waiting longer.

Cllr Howell says: “At times there is so much congestion when the barriers lift there becomes a logjam. Maintaining good pedestrian access over the railway line is critical for the future health of the town centre,” he said.

“The High Street is already struggling, partly because of its length and the time it takes to walk from one end to the other. Difficulties in crossing the railway line will inevitably deter more visitors from walking from the Dolphin Centre along the High Street.”

He said a pedestrian bridge had previously been proposed from the Sainsbury’s site to the Seldown car park in a planning document and he is calling for a disabled accessible bridge.

Cllr Howell said: “It is essential that Poole Council anticipates the likely increase in trains being operated on this line and develops a plan to deliver a new, high quality pedestrian bridge linking town centre north and the High Street.”

Nigel Hutton, transport policy manager Borough of Poole, said: “We are currently completing a number of surveys to assess the changes to the ‘barrier downtimes’ following the commissioning of the new railway signalling scheme. We are currently reviewing the Town Centre Plan and as part of this exercise and looking at pedestrian, cycle, vehicle and train movement through the town centre. We welcome contributions from everyone as we consult and develop the plan,” he said.

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7:08am Sat 16 Aug 14

apm1954 says...

Should encourage people to keep to the left when going over crossing, when going over railway it reminds me of twikenham.
Should encourage people to keep to the left when going over crossing, when going over railway it reminds me of twikenham. apm1954
  • Score: 30

7:14am Sat 16 Aug 14

alasdair1967 says...

Not just the railway the causes problems when the market stalls are out they create a choke point not helped by pedestrians stopping in there tracks or dawdling
Not just the railway the causes problems when the market stalls are out they create a choke point not helped by pedestrians stopping in there tracks or dawdling alasdair1967
  • Score: 35

7:34am Sat 16 Aug 14

master plan says...

Cllr Mark Howell you've got it all wrong!!!! Yeah the barriers do go down early and you can be there a little while but that isn't why the high street is suffering!!!!
To blame the length of time it takes to walk the length of the high street as it's downfall is a weak excuse. 5 mins it takes to walk from the old town down to the bus station so that's not the towns problem.
The towns problem is what's in it and the welcoming seeing the eye sore of the bus station does put visitors off if you actual down some market research. The dolphin shopping centre looks like it's stuck in the 1960s that needs a whole redesign. The amount of shops that are closed in there isn't a good sign either! and the high street is no better you need a few marquee stores to get folk visiting not pound shops, charity shops and another estate agents I see that's opening shortly. I watched a program on high streets a while ago and as I stated above about what shops are mainly opening in the high street means it's a dying high street! The town needs redeveloping along with the dolphin shopping centre as well as the bus station move that round to the train station as there is plenty of land there to incorporate it!!!
Cllr Mark Howell you've got it all wrong!!!! Yeah the barriers do go down early and you can be there a little while but that isn't why the high street is suffering!!!! To blame the length of time it takes to walk the length of the high street as it's downfall is a weak excuse. 5 mins it takes to walk from the old town down to the bus station so that's not the towns problem. The towns problem is what's in it and the welcoming seeing the eye sore of the bus station does put visitors off if you actual down some market research. The dolphin shopping centre looks like it's stuck in the 1960s that needs a whole redesign. The amount of shops that are closed in there isn't a good sign either! and the high street is no better you need a few marquee stores to get folk visiting not pound shops, charity shops and another estate agents I see that's opening shortly. I watched a program on high streets a while ago and as I stated above about what shops are mainly opening in the high street means it's a dying high street! The town needs redeveloping along with the dolphin shopping centre as well as the bus station move that round to the train station as there is plenty of land there to incorporate it!!! master plan
  • Score: 135

7:42am Sat 16 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

Disabled people and the elderly will find bridges difficult, an underpass is the answer, under not over. So will people with buggies. Go under and put railings in place of the barrier so kids can watch the trains going past. Money spent on the Twin Sails could have facilitised this more than likely. Doesn't matter how many bridges there are, many able bodied people will still stand around and wait causing a bottleneck, too lazy to climb a few steps. The amount of elderly, disabled and buggy users at one barrier down time isn't enough to cause a bottleneck. It is the able bodied congregating around them.
Disabled people and the elderly will find bridges difficult, an underpass is the answer, under not over. So will people with buggies. Go under and put railings in place of the barrier so kids can watch the trains going past. Money spent on the Twin Sails could have facilitised this more than likely. Doesn't matter how many bridges there are, many able bodied people will still stand around and wait causing a bottleneck, too lazy to climb a few steps. The amount of elderly, disabled and buggy users at one barrier down time isn't enough to cause a bottleneck. It is the able bodied congregating around them. FerryFan
  • Score: 14

8:06am Sat 16 Aug 14

djd says...

The railway crossing has been a choke point in Poole for as long as I can remember. As long as the shopping centre is divided by the railway line a lot of people will not visit there to shop.
The bus station is a disgrace, like something out of the 80s and the Dophine Centre is no better. Changing it's name and a splash of paint doesn't improve the shopping experience is Poole.
The railway crossing has been a choke point in Poole for as long as I can remember. As long as the shopping centre is divided by the railway line a lot of people will not visit there to shop. The bus station is a disgrace, like something out of the 80s and the Dophine Centre is no better. Changing it's name and a splash of paint doesn't improve the shopping experience is Poole. djd
  • Score: 38

8:21am Sat 16 Aug 14

alasdair1967 says...

As for the increased time the level crossing is closed I'm all for it ,many many times I have witnessed pedestrians rushing to beat the barrier ,I'm yet to see anyone caught in between however one day it will happen would they have the common sense to find a safe place until the train has passed somehow I doubt because they don't have the sense to wait
As for the increased time the level crossing is closed I'm all for it ,many many times I have witnessed pedestrians rushing to beat the barrier ,I'm yet to see anyone caught in between however one day it will happen would they have the common sense to find a safe place until the train has passed somehow I doubt because they don't have the sense to wait alasdair1967
  • Score: 6

8:31am Sat 16 Aug 14

Watchful_Eye says...

Has anyone considered the root cause of the barriers being down for so long?
Trains from Weymouth arrive at Poole some 4 minutes prior to their departure time, but, when they arrive they are signalled to go. Surely this means that the barriers must be down when the trains arrive and hence the delay for pedestrians waiting to cross.
As to the reason that the train is signalled to go when it arrives, despite not being timetabled to depart, must be a question for Network Rail.
Once you have the answer for this, you have the answer for the delays!
Has anyone considered the root cause of the barriers being down for so long? Trains from Weymouth arrive at Poole some 4 minutes prior to their departure time, but, when they arrive they are signalled to go. Surely this means that the barriers must be down when the trains arrive and hence the delay for pedestrians waiting to cross. As to the reason that the train is signalled to go when it arrives, despite not being timetabled to depart, must be a question for Network Rail. Once you have the answer for this, you have the answer for the delays! Watchful_Eye
  • Score: 6

8:35am Sat 16 Aug 14

tbpoole says...

FerryFan wrote:
Disabled people and the elderly will find bridges difficult, an underpass is the answer, under not over. So will people with buggies. Go under and put railings in place of the barrier so kids can watch the trains going past. Money spent on the Twin Sails could have facilitised this more than likely. Doesn't matter how many bridges there are, many able bodied people will still stand around and wait causing a bottleneck, too lazy to climb a few steps. The amount of elderly, disabled and buggy users at one barrier down time isn't enough to cause a bottleneck. It is the able bodied congregating around them.
A subway isn't really the answer. I can think of a number of reasons (set out here) and I expect there are many more. Not least the massive cost and disruption while building it.

In order to be deep enough to go under the railway and wide enough to accommodate everyone who wanted to use it (and yet still leave room to cross at ground level) would probably mean losing a lot of the existing buildings near the crossing.

It would also be a really massive structure because it would need to have a shallow enough ramp for wheelchairs. Plus it would look ghastly, and be totally out of keeping with this area. And people don't like using subways at night; undesirables hang around plus it becomes an unofficial toilet.
[quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: Disabled people and the elderly will find bridges difficult, an underpass is the answer, under not over. So will people with buggies. Go under and put railings in place of the barrier so kids can watch the trains going past. Money spent on the Twin Sails could have facilitised this more than likely. Doesn't matter how many bridges there are, many able bodied people will still stand around and wait causing a bottleneck, too lazy to climb a few steps. The amount of elderly, disabled and buggy users at one barrier down time isn't enough to cause a bottleneck. It is the able bodied congregating around them.[/p][/quote]A subway isn't really the answer. I can think of a number of reasons (set out here) and I expect there are many more. Not least the massive cost and disruption while building it. In order to be deep enough to go under the railway and wide enough to accommodate everyone who wanted to use it (and yet still leave room to cross at ground level) would probably mean losing a lot of the existing buildings near the crossing. It would also be a really massive structure because it would need to have a shallow enough ramp for wheelchairs. Plus it would look ghastly, and be totally out of keeping with this area. And people don't like using subways at night; undesirables hang around plus it becomes an unofficial toilet. tbpoole
  • Score: 46

8:43am Sat 16 Aug 14

Chris@Bmouth says...

How about reducing car parking fees, getting rid of double yellow lines, reducing business rental rates and demolish that **** heap of a bus station, rather than claiming a train crossing is hurting Poole town centre.
How about reducing car parking fees, getting rid of double yellow lines, reducing business rental rates and demolish that **** heap of a bus station, rather than claiming a train crossing is hurting Poole town centre. Chris@Bmouth
  • Score: 93

9:07am Sat 16 Aug 14

oldgiraffe says...

Love the Crossing - Love climbing over the bridge!
Love the Crossing - Love climbing over the bridge! oldgiraffe
  • Score: 32

9:15am Sat 16 Aug 14

we-shall-see says...

Mark Howells is deluding himself if he thinks the answer to the run down High Street is a new pedestrian bridge over the railway lines!

For many shoppers there is simply no reason to shop in the High Street - mainly due to lack of shops. Almost every other business is either a cafe/place to eat, charity shop or tacky pound shops - hardly an enticing range of shops I would say.........

I haven't shopped in Poole for years. Having to step over heaps of rubbish/takeaway wrappers, dodge mobility scooters going way too fast and themselves weaving in and out of the various tables and chairs outside cafes etc. Coupled with those people standing around inviting passers by to take out a catalogue or a subscription to a charity - all in all it makes for a miserable experience.

If Mr. Howells wants my advice - get a few civil enforcement officers out to fine those who throw down food wrappings etc, sort out the uneven paving and lower the shop rents to entice more interesting business to come into town.

I can buy clothes cheaper in Primark or Matalan than I can in charity shops, I never eat when out shopping and I don't want to be hassled by people with clip boards, so I daresay if many other people are like me, they have no need to venture down the High Street, so the lack of a new bridge over the level crossing is irrelevant........
Mark Howells is deluding himself if he thinks the answer to the run down High Street is a new pedestrian bridge over the railway lines! For many shoppers there is simply no reason to shop in the High Street - mainly due to lack of shops. Almost every other business is either a cafe/place to eat, charity shop or tacky pound shops - hardly an enticing range of shops I would say......... I haven't shopped in Poole for years. Having to step over heaps of rubbish/takeaway wrappers, dodge mobility scooters going way too fast and themselves weaving in and out of the various tables and chairs outside cafes etc. Coupled with those people standing around inviting passers by to take out a catalogue or a subscription to a charity - all in all it makes for a miserable experience. If Mr. Howells wants my advice - get a few civil enforcement officers out to fine those who throw down food wrappings etc, sort out the uneven paving and lower the shop rents to entice more interesting business to come into town. I can buy clothes cheaper in Primark or Matalan than I can in charity shops, I never eat when out shopping and I don't want to be hassled by people with clip boards, so I daresay if many other people are like me, they have no need to venture down the High Street, so the lack of a new bridge over the level crossing is irrelevant........ we-shall-see
  • Score: 57

9:43am Sat 16 Aug 14

trolley says...

The length of time the barrier is down is ridiculous,almost 5 minutes before a train comes? Not neccessary
The length of time the barrier is down is ridiculous,almost 5 minutes before a train comes? Not neccessary trolley
  • Score: 15

9:43am Sat 16 Aug 14

Commonsense? says...

I think that old Victorian bridge is part of poole's culture & heritage and should be preserved. Sometimes I like to stand & watch the train pass and other times I take the bridge if I'm in a hurry. However, I can see the need for a new bridge too as the fatigue limit of such an old bridge could easily be exceeded by just a couple of some Poole's 'shoppers' - there are many there who look like they live in the pie shop next to the level crossing!
Joking aside, it's fine as it is!
I think that old Victorian bridge is part of poole's culture & heritage and should be preserved. Sometimes I like to stand & watch the train pass and other times I take the bridge if I'm in a hurry. However, I can see the need for a new bridge too as the fatigue limit of such an old bridge could easily be exceeded by just a couple of some Poole's 'shoppers' - there are many there who look like they live in the pie shop next to the level crossing! Joking aside, it's fine as it is! Commonsense?
  • Score: 20

9:45am Sat 16 Aug 14

vh11 says...

Agree with many of the commenst above - in fact I see the railway line as something of a 'novelty'. Why shop in Poole, when you can go to somewhere like Castlepoint, where parking is free, and all of the shops are marquee names.

Why not have a free parking day in Poole for 6 months and see what effect it has on numbers in the shops? And that bus station is the darkest, dingiest place which is what really needs money being spent on it.
Agree with many of the commenst above - in fact I see the railway line as something of a 'novelty'. Why shop in Poole, when you can go to somewhere like Castlepoint, where parking is free, and all of the shops are marquee names. Why not have a free parking day in Poole for 6 months and see what effect it has on numbers in the shops? And that bus station is the darkest, dingiest place which is what really needs money being spent on it. vh11
  • Score: 38

9:50am Sat 16 Aug 14

bbird says...

Only shop worth visiting Primark. The rest are dull, mainly cloned shops or old fashioned. Lack of decent cafes/restaurants (for me anyway), and lack of terraces to eat outside. Ugly bus station and Dolphin centre. Markets overtaken by Primark and Pound Stores, who buys at them?

Need for a special area to be created with attractive independent shops and good restaurants.

We do visit Poole from time to time and walk straight down to the Quay for a drink at the Hotel du Vin. Through the Dolphin and High Street without bothering to stop!

As for the level crossing, not sure what the answer is, but that's not the reason for the downfall in trade.
Only shop worth visiting Primark. The rest are dull, mainly cloned shops or old fashioned. Lack of decent cafes/restaurants (for me anyway), and lack of terraces to eat outside. Ugly bus station and Dolphin centre. Markets overtaken by Primark and Pound Stores, who buys at them? Need for a special area to be created with attractive independent shops and good restaurants. We do visit Poole from time to time and walk straight down to the Quay for a drink at the Hotel du Vin. Through the Dolphin and High Street without bothering to stop! As for the level crossing, not sure what the answer is, but that's not the reason for the downfall in trade. bbird
  • Score: 20

9:54am Sat 16 Aug 14

Vikki27 says...

How VERY short-sighted! The level crossing has been that slow for literally my entire life and it's never been blamed for the downturn of local tourism and economy before, so why now? Simply put, because they need something to blame!

The fact is that high streets are being badly hit by the convenience of internet shopping. Instead of taking things away, try ADDING them! Give us back high street fishmongers and artisan bakers and decent, high-quality butchers and so on. Encourage into the town things that cannot be bought or experienced so fully online. Make town tempting again. AND BRING DOWN THE COST OF PARKING!!!

That bridge has been there for well over 100 years. PLEASE don't do anything with it now. It would be historically and morally wrong.
How VERY short-sighted! The level crossing has been that slow for literally my entire life and it's never been blamed for the downturn of local tourism and economy before, so why now? Simply put, because they need something to blame! The fact is that high streets are being badly hit by the convenience of internet shopping. Instead of taking things away, try ADDING them! Give us back high street fishmongers and artisan bakers and decent, high-quality butchers and so on. Encourage into the town things that cannot be bought or experienced so fully online. Make town tempting again. AND BRING DOWN THE COST OF PARKING!!! That bridge has been there for well over 100 years. PLEASE don't do anything with it now. It would be historically and morally wrong. Vikki27
  • Score: 60

10:12am Sat 16 Aug 14

muscliffman says...

I am certain the crossing is not the big problem here, after all for many years old Poole town centre prospered when there were actually two of them. The current extended H & S risk driven gate drop times and train speeds on the remaining crossing are however at best infuriating to shoppers and certainly don't help.

The big problem is Poole's town centre, because basically it doesn't have one these days! The huge, ugly and dated 1960's styled concrete Dolphin Centre and that dreadful looking Bus Station are sitting bang on top of where the proper Town Centre should and used to be.

Never mind a simple railway crossing, it's high time to draw up some attractive plans to flatten the entire Dolphin Centre/Bus Station complex and restore a more traditional town centre to old Poole town.
I am certain the crossing is not the big problem here, after all for many years old Poole town centre prospered when there were actually two of them. The current extended H & S risk driven gate drop times and train speeds on the remaining crossing are however at best infuriating to shoppers and certainly don't help. The big problem is Poole's town centre, because basically it doesn't have one these days! The huge, ugly and dated 1960's styled concrete Dolphin Centre and that dreadful looking Bus Station are sitting bang on top of where the proper Town Centre should and used to be. Never mind a simple railway crossing, it's high time to draw up some attractive plans to flatten the entire Dolphin Centre/Bus Station complex and restore a more traditional town centre to old Poole town. muscliffman
  • Score: 34

10:19am Sat 16 Aug 14

BackOfTheNet says...

I can't say I've ever had to wait more than two minutes, but then again I'm not in such a hurry as many seem to be :)
I can't say I've ever had to wait more than two minutes, but then again I'm not in such a hurry as many seem to be :) BackOfTheNet
  • Score: 3

10:20am Sat 16 Aug 14

WonderWoman123 says...

The wait for that crossing has always been unbearable! I've had several pushchairs rammed into my ankles when I've tried to get through and go over the bridge to get to work. If people without pushchairs or walking difficulties would just go over in the first place it wouldn't be a claustrophobes nightmare! Now I pop into Game or Smiths for 10 minutes and wait for the herd of cattle to meander over the railway line. Everyone else is right however, Poole has been going downhill for a long time. It's not a pleasant place to spend a Saturday, all you can see is vacant shop/office space,
The wait for that crossing has always been unbearable! I've had several pushchairs rammed into my ankles when I've tried to get through and go over the bridge to get to work. If people without pushchairs or walking difficulties would just go over in the first place it wouldn't be a claustrophobes nightmare! Now I pop into Game or Smiths for 10 minutes and wait for the herd of cattle to meander over the railway line. Everyone else is right however, Poole has been going downhill for a long time. It's not a pleasant place to spend a Saturday, all you can see is vacant shop/office space, WonderWoman123
  • Score: 12

10:22am Sat 16 Aug 14

WonderWoman123 says...

WonderWoman123 wrote:
The wait for that crossing has always been unbearable! I've had several pushchairs rammed into my ankles when I've tried to get through and go over the bridge to get to work. If people without pushchairs or walking difficulties would just go over in the first place it wouldn't be a claustrophobes nightmare! Now I pop into Game or Smiths for 10 minutes and wait for the herd of cattle to meander over the railway line. Everyone else is right however, Poole has been going downhill for a long time. It's not a pleasant place to spend a Saturday, all you can see is vacant shop/office space,
Whoops! .... and litter!
[quote][p][bold]WonderWoman123[/bold] wrote: The wait for that crossing has always been unbearable! I've had several pushchairs rammed into my ankles when I've tried to get through and go over the bridge to get to work. If people without pushchairs or walking difficulties would just go over in the first place it wouldn't be a claustrophobes nightmare! Now I pop into Game or Smiths for 10 minutes and wait for the herd of cattle to meander over the railway line. Everyone else is right however, Poole has been going downhill for a long time. It's not a pleasant place to spend a Saturday, all you can see is vacant shop/office space,[/p][/quote]Whoops! .... and litter! WonderWoman123
  • Score: 3

10:37am Sat 16 Aug 14

master plan says...

You've only got to look at great shopping centres i.e bullring, bluewater, trafford centre, st davids and Westfield all have sq footage above 1.5million all have marquee stores and always busy. If I was redevelop the dolphin centre I would take falkland square and king land crescent and some of the stores just the other side of the train track. Make a feature out of the old foot bridge and have an entrance over the over side of the tracks where you have taken out some stores you'll have a great entrance and excellent access for disable and never waiting for a crossing ever again. As taking in Falklands and king land you'll gain enough square footage and get marquee stores to fill them. Move the bus station round to the train station as there are old car parks an old office and loads of land that is unused for a travel hub i.e trains, buses and taxis also have some boris bikes hire thingy too. Then pedestrianise the front of the dolphin makin a nice cafe, restaurant area all involving the arts centre. But what a crazy view I have take inspiration from others or the high street will die you can blame internet shopping. I personal visit all the shopping centres above because they have these stores!
You've only got to look at great shopping centres i.e bullring, bluewater, trafford centre, st davids and Westfield all have sq footage above 1.5million all have marquee stores and always busy. If I was redevelop the dolphin centre I would take falkland square and king land crescent and some of the stores just the other side of the train track. Make a feature out of the old foot bridge and have an entrance over the over side of the tracks where you have taken out some stores you'll have a great entrance and excellent access for disable and never waiting for a crossing ever again. As taking in Falklands and king land you'll gain enough square footage and get marquee stores to fill them. Move the bus station round to the train station as there are old car parks an old office and loads of land that is unused for a travel hub i.e trains, buses and taxis also have some boris bikes hire thingy too. Then pedestrianise the front of the dolphin makin a nice cafe, restaurant area all involving the arts centre. But what a crazy view I have take inspiration from others or the high street will die you can blame internet shopping. I personal visit all the shopping centres above because they have these stores! master plan
  • Score: 15

11:14am Sat 16 Aug 14

Gingertree says...

Why not just make it simple by making people keep to the left.Most of the congestion is caused by people weaving in and out of each other
Why not just make it simple by making people keep to the left.Most of the congestion is caused by people weaving in and out of each other Gingertree
  • Score: 8

11:19am Sat 16 Aug 14

Marty Caine says...

I think there is something desperately wrong when the council is closing down a much needed dementia care home in Canford Heath to save money, whilst at the same time thinking of spending god knows how much on a new bridge to save people waiting a couple of minutes at a level crossing.
I think there is something desperately wrong when the council is closing down a much needed dementia care home in Canford Heath to save money, whilst at the same time thinking of spending god knows how much on a new bridge to save people waiting a couple of minutes at a level crossing. Marty Caine
  • Score: 33

11:23am Sat 16 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

Gingertree wrote:
Why not just make it simple by making people keep to the left.Most of the congestion is caused by people weaving in and out of each other
Better still, give someone a peaked cap or a high viz jacket and make any one that is not in charge of a buggy, disabled or elderly go across the bridge. Bet there will be plenty of takers - there are plenty who like pushing others around in the name of their job, lol!!
[quote][p][bold]Gingertree[/bold] wrote: Why not just make it simple by making people keep to the left.Most of the congestion is caused by people weaving in and out of each other[/p][/quote]Better still, give someone a peaked cap or a high viz jacket and make any one that is not in charge of a buggy, disabled or elderly go across the bridge. Bet there will be plenty of takers - there are plenty who like pushing others around in the name of their job, lol!! FerryFan
  • Score: 1

11:41am Sat 16 Aug 14

jobsworthwatch says...

This problem only just come to light after 100 years + of the railway coming to Poole?
This problem only just come to light after 100 years + of the railway coming to Poole? jobsworthwatch
  • Score: 13

12:15pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Major Futtock says...

In my youth there were TWO level crossings! (But a lot less traffic, both vehicular and foot)
The simplest solution is as, someone has already suggested, to have a pedestrian 'KEEP LEFT' policy over the level crossing instead of having a charge like two medieval armies confronting each other.
Also....What is the point of having ANOTHER bridge if nobody uses the existing one.
The other reason that the western end of the high street is dying is because the idiot Council banned parking in the Quay and people are too lazy/ too short of time/too infirm to walk from the top of the high street to the bottom.
Don't start me on that waste of money the Twin Sails bridge. Very pretty when it's up, but remind me how long is that per day in total? About an hour?? Otherwise it's just an ordinary bridge which would have cost a lot less money which could have been put to better use. like knocking down that 60's abortion the 'bus station and rebuilding it.
In my youth there were TWO level crossings! (But a lot less traffic, both vehicular and foot) The simplest solution is as, someone has already suggested, to have a pedestrian 'KEEP LEFT' policy over the level crossing instead of having a charge like two medieval armies confronting each other. Also....What is the point of having ANOTHER bridge if nobody uses the existing one. The other reason that the western end of the high street is dying is because the idiot Council banned parking in the Quay and people are too lazy/ too short of time/too infirm to walk from the top of the high street to the bottom. Don't start me on that waste of money the Twin Sails bridge. Very pretty when it's up, but remind me how long is that per day in total? About an hour?? Otherwise it's just an ordinary bridge which would have cost a lot less money which could have been put to better use. like knocking down that 60's abortion the 'bus station and rebuilding it. Major Futtock
  • Score: 13

12:19pm Sat 16 Aug 14

PoolePark says...

Its not really rocket science to use the existing underpass , a very cheap walkway could be built next to the railway at not a lot of cost, if you want to see the problems of building a small bridge over the railway, just have a look at Wareham Station, poster were not even put when they closed the footbridge at the start of August. I think the amount of beggers and chuggers i pass everyday in the high street cause more tailback than the barriers, nice for the grockles to see. Welcome to Poole
Its not really rocket science to use the existing underpass , a very cheap walkway could be built next to the railway at not a lot of cost, if you want to see the problems of building a small bridge over the railway, just have a look at Wareham Station, poster were not even put when they closed the footbridge at the start of August. I think the amount of beggers and chuggers i pass everyday in the high street cause more tailback than the barriers, nice for the grockles to see. Welcome to Poole PoolePark
  • Score: 2

12:24pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Upkeep says...

When the Poole shoppers stop wearing track suits and smarten themselves up a bit people may return to Poole to do their shopping.
When the Poole shoppers stop wearing track suits and smarten themselves up a bit people may return to Poole to do their shopping. Upkeep
  • Score: 8

12:27pm Sat 16 Aug 14

ekimnoslen says...

I cannot believe that a population, many of whom waste time gaming and/or watching trash reality TV would be greatly concerned if they had to wait a few minutes at a level crossing unless of course it was delaying their getting to a fast food joint or mobile phone retailer.
Seriously though, I would agree with those who correctly identify Poole's problem as being in need of a complete makeover.
I cannot believe that a population, many of whom waste time gaming and/or watching trash reality TV would be greatly concerned if they had to wait a few minutes at a level crossing unless of course it was delaying their getting to a fast food joint or mobile phone retailer. Seriously though, I would agree with those who correctly identify Poole's problem as being in need of a complete makeover. ekimnoslen
  • Score: 13

12:33pm Sat 16 Aug 14

chrisii1991 says...

Thats why i avoid aswell as horrible uncontrolled brats and inconsiderate parents
Thats why i avoid aswell as horrible uncontrolled brats and inconsiderate parents chrisii1991
  • Score: 15

12:37pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Branksome snail says...

We use Poole Quay, which is pleasant most days and nights. The worst part though is the walk through the high street to get there. On a Saturday evening, perhaps 8pm, the dozen or so people we encountered on the way along were drunken drug heads staggering around. And this is a Saturday evening in the summer. Its got **** all to do with the crossing
We use Poole Quay, which is pleasant most days and nights. The worst part though is the walk through the high street to get there. On a Saturday evening, perhaps 8pm, the dozen or so people we encountered on the way along were drunken drug heads staggering around. And this is a Saturday evening in the summer. Its got **** all to do with the crossing Branksome snail
  • Score: 29

12:46pm Sat 16 Aug 14

fizzy fert says...

Pensioners and big issue sellers slow it down a lot
they need restricting
ban them except for
say Wednesday mornings 9 till 12
this will free the place up a lot.
Pensioners and big issue sellers slow it down a lot they need restricting ban them except for say Wednesday mornings 9 till 12 this will free the place up a lot. fizzy fert
  • Score: 0

1:09pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Ms daisy says...

Poole has expensive parking charges but not the popular shops to match, where is the likes of cath kidson, karen millen, hollister,urban outfitters, phase 8, joules, white stuff etc. You find these in other places but not Poole.
This is the main problem oh and the horrible bus station.
Poole has expensive parking charges but not the popular shops to match, where is the likes of cath kidson, karen millen, hollister,urban outfitters, phase 8, joules, white stuff etc. You find these in other places but not Poole. This is the main problem oh and the horrible bus station. Ms daisy
  • Score: 24

1:18pm Sat 16 Aug 14

JemBmth says...

It's called POOle for a reason!
It's called POOle for a reason! JemBmth
  • Score: -7

2:29pm Sat 16 Aug 14

user_name says...

fizzy fert wrote:
Pensioners and big issue sellers slow it down a lot
they need restricting
ban them except for
say Wednesday mornings 9 till 12
this will free the place up a lot.
Even if this comment is said as a joke it is not funny. Sounds like we have a troll in our midst.
[quote][p][bold]fizzy fert[/bold] wrote: Pensioners and big issue sellers slow it down a lot they need restricting ban them except for say Wednesday mornings 9 till 12 this will free the place up a lot.[/p][/quote]Even if this comment is said as a joke it is not funny. Sounds like we have a troll in our midst. user_name
  • Score: 3

2:53pm Sat 16 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

Are you nickynoodah - or George.... ;-)
Are you nickynoodah - or George.... ;-) FerryFan
  • Score: -1

3:01pm Sat 16 Aug 14

folkprotector says...

Getting pedestrians to keep left would be a challenge. I've noticed over the years that we, as a nation, drive on the left (much to the amusement of people in most other countries) yet we walk on the right. Bizarre!
I've lived in other countries where pedestrians don't have the problem we seem to have.
Getting pedestrians to keep left would be a challenge. I've noticed over the years that we, as a nation, drive on the left (much to the amusement of people in most other countries) yet we walk on the right. Bizarre! I've lived in other countries where pedestrians don't have the problem we seem to have. folkprotector
  • Score: 0

3:07pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Yokels says...

This is not the only place where the time has increased whilst waiting for a train to come through since the Network Signal upgrade, I think the whole system needs to be re-evaluated and reduce the times at all level crossings and soon rather than later.
This is not the only place where the time has increased whilst waiting for a train to come through since the Network Signal upgrade, I think the whole system needs to be re-evaluated and reduce the times at all level crossings and soon rather than later. Yokels
  • Score: 4

4:18pm Sat 16 Aug 14

hamworthygarden says...

Access to the Dolphin Centre needs to be looked at as a whole. I have no problem waiting for the crossing I just want to cross safely. What has happened to the rooftop car park above Falkland Square it was closed because it had rain water problems and never reopened. The one thing I would like to see on the crossing is a simple white line down the middle so that you are not all trying to cross against one another, best of all it wouldn't cost much. I don't think people avoid Poole High Street because of the crossing, it just all needs a facelift.
Access to the Dolphin Centre needs to be looked at as a whole. I have no problem waiting for the crossing I just want to cross safely. What has happened to the rooftop car park above Falkland Square it was closed because it had rain water problems and never reopened. The one thing I would like to see on the crossing is a simple white line down the middle so that you are not all trying to cross against one another, best of all it wouldn't cost much. I don't think people avoid Poole High Street because of the crossing, it just all needs a facelift. hamworthygarden
  • Score: 12

4:31pm Sat 16 Aug 14

liebert says...

I support a dividing line down the high street and across the level crossing.
In Durban, S.A. all the pavements were divided with "Keep Left" signs as reminders and this worked well with high volumes of pedestrians. Certainly, this would work well for the railway crossing.
The lovely old bridge is always there for those in a hurry. Leave it alone.
I support a dividing line down the high street and across the level crossing. In Durban, S.A. all the pavements were divided with "Keep Left" signs as reminders and this worked well with high volumes of pedestrians. Certainly, this would work well for the railway crossing. The lovely old bridge is always there for those in a hurry. Leave it alone. liebert
  • Score: 8

6:17pm Sat 16 Aug 14

ashleycross says...

Perhaps if the high street users spent a bit less time in the bakers and a bit more on the fruit stall they would be able to use the bridge. I'm not the fruit stall owner by the way, just someone who finds winging from greedy guts about having to stand on their own feet for a few minutes rather a bore. Stop stuffing your kids with haribo and peel a few vegetables.
Perhaps if the high street users spent a bit less time in the bakers and a bit more on the fruit stall they would be able to use the bridge. I'm not the fruit stall owner by the way, just someone who finds winging from greedy guts about having to stand on their own feet for a few minutes rather a bore. Stop stuffing your kids with haribo and peel a few vegetables. ashleycross
  • Score: 0

6:30pm Sat 16 Aug 14

davecook says...

To suddenly blame a railway bridge and level crossing which has been there since the 1870's for the death of Poole High Street is a bit rich. Other than Boone's, Poole High Street is a load of cr@p, that's why people do not rush to go down there. Frankly, unless you want to go to a Polish "supermarket", endless charity shops, or some tatty stalls, the High Street has virtually nothing to offer. I partly lay the blame on the council, business rates are too high and parking is prohibitive, so the old traditional shops have gradually died off, and been replaced with charity shops (the other part of the blame), the charity shops all selling new "bought in" stuff running with free staff (except for the well paid managers), and special low business rates, how can proper little businesses compete against that.
To suddenly blame a railway bridge and level crossing which has been there since the 1870's for the death of Poole High Street is a bit rich. Other than Boone's, Poole High Street is a load of cr@p, that's why people do not rush to go down there. Frankly, unless you want to go to a Polish "supermarket", endless charity shops, or some tatty stalls, the High Street has virtually nothing to offer. I partly lay the blame on the council, business rates are too high and parking is prohibitive, so the old traditional shops have gradually died off, and been replaced with charity shops (the other part of the blame), the charity shops all selling new "bought in" stuff running with free staff (except for the well paid managers), and special low business rates, how can proper little businesses compete against that. davecook
  • Score: 24

7:51pm Sat 16 Aug 14

cromwell9 says...

fizzy fert wrote:
Pensioners and big issue sellers slow it down a lot
they need restricting
ban them except for
say Wednesday mornings 9 till 12
this will free the place up a lot.
Its people lke you ,who need to be restricted.
I would suggest you go to a special school to be re-educated ,.
First lesson .(Have more respect for your elders,because without them you would be under the NAZI jack boot smashing up rocks ,( I bet your gran/Grandad are proud of you).
[quote][p][bold]fizzy fert[/bold] wrote: Pensioners and big issue sellers slow it down a lot they need restricting ban them except for say Wednesday mornings 9 till 12 this will free the place up a lot.[/p][/quote]Its people lke you ,who need to be restricted. I would suggest you go to a special school to be re-educated ,. First lesson .(Have more respect for your elders,because without them you would be under the NAZI jack boot smashing up rocks ,( I bet your gran/Grandad are proud of you). cromwell9
  • Score: -3

7:54pm Sat 16 Aug 14

S,Bowes says...

Put a burger van on top off the bridge.
Put a burger van on top off the bridge. S,Bowes
  • Score: 6

8:01pm Sat 16 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

cromwell9 wrote:
fizzy fert wrote:
Pensioners and big issue sellers slow it down a lot
they need restricting
ban them except for
say Wednesday mornings 9 till 12
this will free the place up a lot.
Its people lke you ,who need to be restricted.
I would suggest you go to a special school to be re-educated ,.
First lesson .(Have more respect for your elders,because without them you would be under the NAZI jack boot smashing up rocks ,( I bet your gran/Grandad are proud of you).
Said before, it is probably the person behind nickynoodah - that name hasn't yet cropped up yet in these comments, it usually does with equally stupid posts no matter how serious the story is. Posting style is almost too similar to be anyone else.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fizzy fert[/bold] wrote: Pensioners and big issue sellers slow it down a lot they need restricting ban them except for say Wednesday mornings 9 till 12 this will free the place up a lot.[/p][/quote]Its people lke you ,who need to be restricted. I would suggest you go to a special school to be re-educated ,. First lesson .(Have more respect for your elders,because without them you would be under the NAZI jack boot smashing up rocks ,( I bet your gran/Grandad are proud of you).[/p][/quote]Said before, it is probably the person behind nickynoodah - that name hasn't yet cropped up yet in these comments, it usually does with equally stupid posts no matter how serious the story is. Posting style is almost too similar to be anyone else. FerryFan
  • Score: 1

8:12pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Jammydodg says...

Why do people complain about this? It is part of old Poole and I'm fed up with hearing people complain it. We should be trying to keep our heritage instead of bloody moaning about it all the time.
Why do people complain about this? It is part of old Poole and I'm fed up with hearing people complain it. We should be trying to keep our heritage instead of bloody moaning about it all the time. Jammydodg
  • Score: 6

8:55pm Sat 16 Aug 14

justme20092009 says...

oh my days i was going to poole for my holiday but wont now incase i have to wait at a level crossing,,bmth echo get a grip and report something sensible instead of crap like this,,people comng to poole are gonna know about level crossing int they
oh my days i was going to poole for my holiday but wont now incase i have to wait at a level crossing,,bmth echo get a grip and report something sensible instead of crap like this,,people comng to poole are gonna know about level crossing int they justme20092009
  • Score: 3

10:21pm Sat 16 Aug 14

spam hammer says...

Poole town/shopping experience is in desperate need of very real investment and redevelopment, it has been long over due. Why can we not have something similar to Portsmouth's Gunwharf Quay!? We have the infrastructure and money to do this, if poole borough council can take out a 38 million pound loan to opt out of supporting poorer counties and then blow a further 8 million pounds on a bridge built in the wrong place! Why not then completely revamp the run down facilities that blight this very rich town.
Poole town/shopping experience is in desperate need of very real investment and redevelopment, it has been long over due. Why can we not have something similar to Portsmouth's Gunwharf Quay!? We have the infrastructure and money to do this, if poole borough council can take out a 38 million pound loan to opt out of supporting poorer counties and then blow a further 8 million pounds on a bridge built in the wrong place! Why not then completely revamp the run down facilities that blight this very rich town. spam hammer
  • Score: 4

10:28pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Benagain says...

All that I needed is a screen telling us how long we have to wait for the train to come and if there will be a second train.
We can then decide whether to use the bridge or wait.
All that I needed is a screen telling us how long we have to wait for the train to come and if there will be a second train. We can then decide whether to use the bridge or wait. Benagain
  • Score: 11

11:04pm Sat 16 Aug 14

OKANAGAN 1 says...

Keep the old bridge, it can be used by some instead of waiting. When it is time to cross, keep left ( like driving a car), the photograph looks like they are all lined up for a race of some kind. I used to love going over the old bridge when we lived in Parkstone, watching the steam engines come and go. I am sure kids like to go up and see the trains coming in now as well.
Keep the old bridge, it can be used by some instead of waiting. When it is time to cross, keep left ( like driving a car), the photograph looks like they are all lined up for a race of some kind. I used to love going over the old bridge when we lived in Parkstone, watching the steam engines come and go. I am sure kids like to go up and see the trains coming in now as well. OKANAGAN 1
  • Score: 5

11:37pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Chief-Wiggum says...

What a **** story! Heard it all now...
What a **** story! Heard it all now... Chief-Wiggum
  • Score: 2

6:01am Sun 17 Aug 14

neilf2006 says...

Simple, just keep left. And surely no-one really minds waiting a few minutes. The old bridge is quite attractive, in a sea of ugly concrete.

Ps.....Bus station is horrible!
Simple, just keep left. And surely no-one really minds waiting a few minutes. The old bridge is quite attractive, in a sea of ugly concrete. Ps.....Bus station is horrible! neilf2006
  • Score: 7

10:45am Sun 17 Aug 14

rusty2009 says...

master plan wrote:
Cllr Mark Howell you've got it all wrong!!!! Yeah the barriers do go down early and you can be there a little while but that isn't why the high street is suffering!!!!
To blame the length of time it takes to walk the length of the high street as it's downfall is a weak excuse. 5 mins it takes to walk from the old town down to the bus station so that's not the towns problem.
The towns problem is what's in it and the welcoming seeing the eye sore of the bus station does put visitors off if you actual down some market research. The dolphin shopping centre looks like it's stuck in the 1960s that needs a whole redesign. The amount of shops that are closed in there isn't a good sign either! and the high street is no better you need a few marquee stores to get folk visiting not pound shops, charity shops and another estate agents I see that's opening shortly. I watched a program on high streets a while ago and as I stated above about what shops are mainly opening in the high street means it's a dying high street! The town needs redeveloping along with the dolphin shopping centre as well as the bus station move that round to the train station as there is plenty of land there to incorporate it!!!
The bus station was meant to be moved round to the train station a few ago or they were at least talking about it.
[quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: Cllr Mark Howell you've got it all wrong!!!! Yeah the barriers do go down early and you can be there a little while but that isn't why the high street is suffering!!!! To blame the length of time it takes to walk the length of the high street as it's downfall is a weak excuse. 5 mins it takes to walk from the old town down to the bus station so that's not the towns problem. The towns problem is what's in it and the welcoming seeing the eye sore of the bus station does put visitors off if you actual down some market research. The dolphin shopping centre looks like it's stuck in the 1960s that needs a whole redesign. The amount of shops that are closed in there isn't a good sign either! and the high street is no better you need a few marquee stores to get folk visiting not pound shops, charity shops and another estate agents I see that's opening shortly. I watched a program on high streets a while ago and as I stated above about what shops are mainly opening in the high street means it's a dying high street! The town needs redeveloping along with the dolphin shopping centre as well as the bus station move that round to the train station as there is plenty of land there to incorporate it!!![/p][/quote]The bus station was meant to be moved round to the train station a few ago or they were at least talking about it. rusty2009
  • Score: 4

11:23am Sun 17 Aug 14

uvox44 says...

Poole town- what a dump.
Poole town- what a dump. uvox44
  • Score: 1

11:29am Sun 17 Aug 14

alyce says...

Demolish ugly bus station, Dolphin Centre, Tower Blocks in Sterte and old town. Build a decent town centre and rehouse all the tower blockers in proper houses. The whole lot is an eye-sore and encourages ill-feeling and bad behaviour - treat people like pigs and they will act like pigs. Why don't the likes of Elaine Atkinson pull out their fingers and do something or at least move over and let someone with some gumption have a go!
Demolish ugly bus station, Dolphin Centre, Tower Blocks in Sterte and old town. Build a decent town centre and rehouse all the tower blockers in proper houses. The whole lot is an eye-sore and encourages ill-feeling and bad behaviour - treat people like pigs and they will act like pigs. Why don't the likes of Elaine Atkinson pull out their fingers and do something or at least move over and let someone with some gumption have a go! alyce
  • Score: 6

3:09pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Ebb Tide says...

Well done ! One has to start early if you want Network Rail to do anything in Poole. It is understood that the essential bridge (part of the planning requirements for a large housing development) over a railway line in Hamworthy has taken over twenty years to negotiate relevant matters so far and still the bridge does not exist yet.

Maybe 30 years or so from now the bridge in the High Street may be supplemented. However the process has been started !!

However, suspect our Council should get more concerned about "delivery dates£ rather than start dates.
Well done ! One has to start early if you want Network Rail to do anything in Poole. It is understood that the essential bridge (part of the planning requirements for a large housing development) over a railway line in Hamworthy has taken over twenty years to negotiate relevant matters so far and still the bridge does not exist yet. Maybe 30 years or so from now the bridge in the High Street may be supplemented. However the process has been started !! However, suspect our Council should get more concerned about "delivery dates£ rather than start dates. Ebb Tide
  • Score: 0

3:46pm Sun 17 Aug 14

joncon says...

As I always say when this subject comes up, people seem to think that the sign which says 'do not cross when red lights flash' reads 'run as fast as you can to get across before barrier comes down.' So any sign saying 'keep left' isn't something they're going to pay much attention to.

If you want to improve the bus station then educate smokers in reading as well. If it says 'no smoking' it means it's illegal for you to smoke there. Is that too hard to understand?

One unmentioned problem with a subway would be that the bit of pavement beyond the crossing does seem to gather water quite easily in a heavy downpour, so I'd imagine a subway might flood in such a situation. Walk from Bournemouth station to the lansdowne on a rainy day and you'll see what I mean
As I always say when this subject comes up, people seem to think that the sign which says 'do not cross when red lights flash' reads 'run as fast as you can to get across before barrier comes down.' So any sign saying 'keep left' isn't something they're going to pay much attention to. If you want to improve the bus station then educate smokers in reading as well. If it says 'no smoking' it means it's illegal for you to smoke there. Is that too hard to understand? One unmentioned problem with a subway would be that the bit of pavement beyond the crossing does seem to gather water quite easily in a heavy downpour, so I'd imagine a subway might flood in such a situation. Walk from Bournemouth station to the lansdowne on a rainy day and you'll see what I mean joncon
  • Score: 0

5:23pm Sun 17 Aug 14

holdinkæft says...

liebert wrote:
I support a dividing line down the high street and across the level crossing.
In Durban, S.A. all the pavements were divided with "Keep Left" signs as reminders and this worked well with high volumes of pedestrians. Certainly, this would work well for the railway crossing.
The lovely old bridge is always there for those in a hurry. Leave it alone.
the pickpockets hated it.
[quote][p][bold]liebert[/bold] wrote: I support a dividing line down the high street and across the level crossing. In Durban, S.A. all the pavements were divided with "Keep Left" signs as reminders and this worked well with high volumes of pedestrians. Certainly, this would work well for the railway crossing. The lovely old bridge is always there for those in a hurry. Leave it alone.[/p][/quote]the pickpockets hated it. holdinkæft
  • Score: 0

11:13pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Yankee1 says...

One word:

Underpass.

Welcome to the 21st century.
One word: Underpass. Welcome to the 21st century. Yankee1
  • Score: -3

11:17pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Mille67 says...

The biggest problem with Poole town centre is that it is a bloody eyesore!
If you are lucky enough to arrive by boat, it is lovely, if you arrive from the other end by road you are confronted by the hideous bus station and the Dolphin Centre. It looks like an industrial estate.
The layout of a Poole is unbelievable too, what town planner decided that it was a good idea to include a ten minute walk from the train station to the bus station and vice versa?
We have a very good events venue with The Lighthouse, so after enjoying an evening there you might fancy a meal or a drink, what do you do?
If you don't fancy a choice of one pub or a KFC you go through a urine smelling subway and find the door to the Dolphin Centre that May or may not be open. If it isn't you have the unenviable task of walking around the back of the bus station, dodging the vomit and then a long walk along a deserted high street until you hit the quay. What moron decided to put The Lighthouse there!!!??
The biggest problem with Poole town centre is that it is a bloody eyesore! If you are lucky enough to arrive by boat, it is lovely, if you arrive from the other end by road you are confronted by the hideous bus station and the Dolphin Centre. It looks like an industrial estate. The layout of a Poole is unbelievable too, what town planner decided that it was a good idea to include a ten minute walk from the train station to the bus station and vice versa? We have a very good events venue with The Lighthouse, so after enjoying an evening there you might fancy a meal or a drink, what do you do? If you don't fancy a choice of one pub or a KFC you go through a urine smelling subway and find the door to the Dolphin Centre that May or may not be open. If it isn't you have the unenviable task of walking around the back of the bus station, dodging the vomit and then a long walk along a deserted high street until you hit the quay. What moron decided to put The Lighthouse there!!!?? Mille67
  • Score: 3

12:21am Mon 18 Aug 14

my random thoughts says...

How will a new bridge by Sainsbury's benefit the high street?
It will benefit Sainsbury's, but not the high street as a whole.
The problem with the bottleneck at the crossing is very simple to solve. The easiest and simplest solution is to build another bridge on the other side of the crossing. The Victorian bridge is all well and good (if poorly maintained), but it is simply too small to cope with the number of people who would want to use it. When the barriers are down people are faced with the choice of waiting for the barriers to raise again or trying to fight their way over a bridge that is packed with other people either crossing the bridge or standing on it to watch the train pass. If there were two bridges then people people would be much more likely to cross them rather than waiting. However, another bridge is not the whole answer. People also need motivation to use the bridge rather than waiting and the answer to that is an electronic bill board to tell people how long they will have to wait before the barriers go up again. I for one know that if I arrived at the crossing and saw that I would have to wait for five minutes before the barriers were raised then I would cross the bridge without a moment's hesitation.
How will a new bridge by Sainsbury's benefit the high street? It will benefit Sainsbury's, but not the high street as a whole. The problem with the bottleneck at the crossing is very simple to solve. The easiest and simplest solution is to build another bridge on the other side of the crossing. The Victorian bridge is all well and good (if poorly maintained), but it is simply too small to cope with the number of people who would want to use it. When the barriers are down people are faced with the choice of waiting for the barriers to raise again or trying to fight their way over a bridge that is packed with other people either crossing the bridge or standing on it to watch the train pass. If there were two bridges then people people would be much more likely to cross them rather than waiting. However, another bridge is not the whole answer. People also need motivation to use the bridge rather than waiting and the answer to that is an electronic bill board to tell people how long they will have to wait before the barriers go up again. I for one know that if I arrived at the crossing and saw that I would have to wait for five minutes before the barriers were raised then I would cross the bridge without a moment's hesitation. my random thoughts
  • Score: -2

8:06am Mon 18 Aug 14

dmaber says...

the problem of the level crossing or at the time crossings was first raised over 121 years ago, and even when the extension to the Arndale (Dolphin Centre) was first proposed there was supposed to be a walkway included on the opposite side to the Victorian foot-bridge, but the council turned it down
the problem of the level crossing or at the time crossings was first raised over 121 years ago, and even when the extension to the Arndale (Dolphin Centre) was first proposed there was supposed to be a walkway included on the opposite side to the Victorian foot-bridge, but the council turned it down dmaber
  • Score: 0

8:43am Mon 18 Aug 14

master plan says...

Mille67 wrote:
The biggest problem with Poole town centre is that it is a bloody eyesore!
If you are lucky enough to arrive by boat, it is lovely, if you arrive from the other end by road you are confronted by the hideous bus station and the Dolphin Centre. It looks like an industrial estate.
The layout of a Poole is unbelievable too, what town planner decided that it was a good idea to include a ten minute walk from the train station to the bus station and vice versa?
We have a very good events venue with The Lighthouse, so after enjoying an evening there you might fancy a meal or a drink, what do you do?
If you don't fancy a choice of one pub or a KFC you go through a urine smelling subway and find the door to the Dolphin Centre that May or may not be open. If it isn't you have the unenviable task of walking around the back of the bus station, dodging the vomit and then a long walk along a deserted high street until you hit the quay. What moron decided to put The Lighthouse there!!!??
As I sat on my boat yesterday a family arrived from Guernsey and moored on the pontoon next to mine. They said how lovely Poole quay looked I said wait till you see the rest of it. Later they returned and to cut a long story short they said what has Poole to offer? They came here because of that harbour program
[quote][p][bold]Mille67[/bold] wrote: The biggest problem with Poole town centre is that it is a bloody eyesore! If you are lucky enough to arrive by boat, it is lovely, if you arrive from the other end by road you are confronted by the hideous bus station and the Dolphin Centre. It looks like an industrial estate. The layout of a Poole is unbelievable too, what town planner decided that it was a good idea to include a ten minute walk from the train station to the bus station and vice versa? We have a very good events venue with The Lighthouse, so after enjoying an evening there you might fancy a meal or a drink, what do you do? If you don't fancy a choice of one pub or a KFC you go through a urine smelling subway and find the door to the Dolphin Centre that May or may not be open. If it isn't you have the unenviable task of walking around the back of the bus station, dodging the vomit and then a long walk along a deserted high street until you hit the quay. What moron decided to put The Lighthouse there!!!??[/p][/quote]As I sat on my boat yesterday a family arrived from Guernsey and moored on the pontoon next to mine. They said how lovely Poole quay looked I said wait till you see the rest of it. Later they returned and to cut a long story short they said what has Poole to offer? They came here because of that harbour program master plan
  • Score: 5

10:50am Mon 18 Aug 14

uvox44 says...

If people are so impatient that waiting a few minutes for a train (which only happens about every 20 mins or so) is too much to cope with then it is a very sad society we have created. Stop rushing about people, relax and you may find your stress levels drop and that your eyes open- you aren't that important, neither is shopping!
If people are so impatient that waiting a few minutes for a train (which only happens about every 20 mins or so) is too much to cope with then it is a very sad society we have created. Stop rushing about people, relax and you may find your stress levels drop and that your eyes open- you aren't that important, neither is shopping! uvox44
  • Score: -2

1:26pm Tue 19 Aug 14

krisb60 says...

As I write this the barriers have been down for at least 25 minutes with just 3 trains passing through
The crowd crush is dangerous both sides as well as over the crowded footbridge
A network rail employee has just appeared and muttered that the barriers are not working so use the bridge - no good for the many wheelchairs and buggies!
Network Rail - absolute joke!
As I write this the barriers have been down for at least 25 minutes with just 3 trains passing through The crowd crush is dangerous both sides as well as over the crowded footbridge A network rail employee has just appeared and muttered that the barriers are not working so use the bridge - no good for the many wheelchairs and buggies! Network Rail - absolute joke! krisb60
  • Score: 0

8:23am Wed 20 Aug 14

rayc says...

FerryFan wrote:
Gingertree wrote:
Why not just make it simple by making people keep to the left.Most of the congestion is caused by people weaving in and out of each other
Better still, give someone a peaked cap or a high viz jacket and make any one that is not in charge of a buggy, disabled or elderly go across the bridge. Bet there will be plenty of takers - there are plenty who like pushing others around in the name of their job, lol!!
Presumably with a fancy title like Civil Enforcement Officer with the powers to issue Penalty Notices on behalf of the Council. I expect that the council would also buy an expensive CCTV system to enforce it and justify it on safety grounds
[quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gingertree[/bold] wrote: Why not just make it simple by making people keep to the left.Most of the congestion is caused by people weaving in and out of each other[/p][/quote]Better still, give someone a peaked cap or a high viz jacket and make any one that is not in charge of a buggy, disabled or elderly go across the bridge. Bet there will be plenty of takers - there are plenty who like pushing others around in the name of their job, lol!![/p][/quote]Presumably with a fancy title like Civil Enforcement Officer with the powers to issue Penalty Notices on behalf of the Council. I expect that the council would also buy an expensive CCTV system to enforce it and justify it on safety grounds rayc
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8:59am Thu 21 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

It never ceases to amaze me every time I go there how terminally lazy most people are. Few people ever bother to use the footbridge and everyone simply waits for the barrier to lift. The only people needing to use the crossing are the elderly/infirm, people with pushchairs and wheelchair users. Everyone else is simply idle. If you can run across when the gates are lowering, you have the energy to walk across the footbridge. Granted, it is very narrow and will be congested, but it will still be quicker than waiting for the train or trains to pass. For those wondering why there's a delay, it's pretty simple. Due to muppets trying to beat the barriers, there needs to be a good delay in the train arriving in case they get trapped between the barriers due to their stupidity. Otherwise we'd be hearing that Network Rail were being sued because A Pillock Esq was crushed by a train after it arrived five seconds after the barriers were lowered and he didn't have time to escape after being impatient and trying to run across.

As for any demise of Poole's shopping areas, well that's simple. The parking is expensive and the shops are mostly rubbish.
It never ceases to amaze me every time I go there how terminally lazy most people are. Few people ever bother to use the footbridge and everyone simply waits for the barrier to lift. The only people needing to use the crossing are the elderly/infirm, people with pushchairs and wheelchair users. Everyone else is simply idle. If you can run across when the gates are lowering, you have the energy to walk across the footbridge. Granted, it is very narrow and will be congested, but it will still be quicker than waiting for the train or trains to pass. For those wondering why there's a delay, it's pretty simple. Due to muppets trying to beat the barriers, there needs to be a good delay in the train arriving in case they get trapped between the barriers due to their stupidity. Otherwise we'd be hearing that Network Rail were being sued because A Pillock Esq was crushed by a train after it arrived five seconds after the barriers were lowered and he didn't have time to escape after being impatient and trying to run across. As for any demise of Poole's shopping areas, well that's simple. The parking is expensive and the shops are mostly rubbish. speedy231278
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3:12pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Dorset Logic says...

Come to Poole, shopping.
Visit the human zoo at Wetherspoons
Enjoy buying soiled or dead peoples clothes in the numerous charity shops.
Play get my car into the narrow car parks.
Remind yourself what shell suits looked like in the 80's.
Visit the smallest Man's dept in Britain in the M&S chain.
See what a Georgian/Victorian town looks like after 60's council planners designed a vision for the future.
Visit your stolen hifi or TV in the cash recycling shops.
Guess which shops have been closed when you wish to take back some goods.

Please note, the Poole business league take no responsibility for 2 minute delays at the level crossing.
Come to Poole, shopping. Visit the human zoo at Wetherspoons Enjoy buying soiled or dead peoples clothes in the numerous charity shops. Play get my car into the narrow car parks. Remind yourself what shell suits looked like in the 80's. Visit the smallest Man's dept in Britain in the M&S chain. See what a Georgian/Victorian town looks like after 60's council planners designed a vision for the future. Visit your stolen hifi or TV in the cash recycling shops. Guess which shops have been closed when you wish to take back some goods. Please note, the Poole business league take no responsibility for 2 minute delays at the level crossing. Dorset Logic
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