Wife of Stephen Fawcett killed on A35 said she wants defendant David Churcher to "rot in jail"

David Churcher has been jailed for six-and-a-half years

Stephen Fawcett

Man who drove "like a bullet" jailed for six years after causing crash which killed grandfather

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THE widow of a former serviceman killed by a drunk driver said she hopes he “rots in jail”.

David Churcher was driving “like a bullet” when he caused the horrific crash that killed grandfather Stephen Christopher Fawcett last year, a court heard.

The 32-year-old, of Singleton Drive in Bournemouth, was jailed for six-and-a-half years this morning after causing a collision witnesses likened to “a scene out of Casino Royale” when his out-of-control
van ploughed into the vehicle being driven by Mr Fawcett on the A35 near Bridport last year.

The victim, 49, who had served in the Green Howards, lost his life in the collision, while Churcher sustained serious brain injuries.

Yesterday morning at Bournemouth Crown Court, Judge Peter Johnson heard that the defendant – who was twice the drink-drive limit and had been rowing with his girlfriend on the phone – had been seen driving dangerously by a number of witnesses prior to the collision.

Prosecuting, Heather Shimmen said empty bottles of whiskey and vodka were found in the Ford Transit van, along with a small bag of herbal cannabis, and doctors said the defendant may have had up to 186mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood at the time of the crash.

The legal limit is 80mg.

A statement written by Mr Fawcett’s widow Christine was read aloud in the court.

She said: “I struggle with everyday life since the killing of my best friend and husband, who I loved and still love and miss so very much.”

She said she visits her husband’s grave on most days so she can talk to him.

“I struggle to communicate with people without breaking down in tears,” she added.

“I blame [Churcher] and his actions solely for my loss. I beg [Judge Johnson] not to show him any leniency as I have nothing to look forward to for the rest of my life.”

A statement written by Ian Elliot, the third driver to be involved in the collision, was also read aloud.

He said: “[A] van appeared like a bullet on the other side of the road.

“It was on two wheels and [Churcher was] driving at incredible speed.”

Mr Elliot, who suffered minor injuries in the crash, said he tried to reach both the defendant and Mr Fawcett, but was unable to help as “they were cocooned in the metal of their vehicles”.

Ms Shimmen said Churcher’s long-term partner had also contacted police moments after the collision, adding: “She was concerned for the defendant having been on the phone to him.

“She said it sounded like he was on speaker phone and, while he was talking, he suddenly swore
and the call ended.”

Police investigations revealed the phone cut out at 6.05pm - a minute before the first call was
made to the emergency services after the collision.

Churcher admitted causing death by dangerous driving and possession of cannabis at a
preliminary hearing.

Mitigating, Leslie William Smith said: “Mr Churcher cannot express deeply enough how much sorrow and regret he has.”

He said the defendant had been working 80-hour weeks for Poole firm Drain Doctor and was not
meant to be working on the day of the crash, which caused him to be “irritated”.

Mr Smith also said Churcher sustained significant brain damage as a result of the collision.

"He suffered substantial impairment to his motor skills - he is unable to see other than out of the tops of his eyes," he said.

"He suffers from substantial memory loss - long-term memory loss and working memory loss. Mr Churcher is unable to remember being in court as he entered his plea. He is unable to remember me. He requires permanent assistance."

Churcher, who previously had a clean driving licence and had never otherwise appeared before
the courts, nodded as the judge told him of the “devastation” his actions had caused.

“You showed a flagrant disregard for the safety of others,” he said.

“The facts of this case are shocking.”

The defendant was also banned from driving for a decade, although the court heard his injuries are so severe that he is unlikely to ever be able to hold a licence again.

Police sergeant says: "Justice has been served"

Sergeant Joe Pardey of Dorset Police's Traffic Department said: "I am pleased that justice has been served, although my thoughts are with the family and friends of the late Mr Fawcett who have had to come to terms with the loss of a husband, father, grandfather, brother, son and friend of many.

"No sentence will ever be enough to compensate for the loss of a loved one, but the conviction and sentence send a clear message.

"Mr Churcher displayed some of the worst driving behaviour and put many people's lives at risk that day.

"He mixed alcohol, drugs and using a phone while trying to drive. It can never and should never be done. Mr Churcher should never have been behind the wheel in that state.

"The tragic death of Mr Fawcett should have been avoided."

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1:04pm Fri 15 Aug 14

bobthedestroyer says...

And still people don't learn. Sad loss of life through one persons black of thought.
And still people don't learn. Sad loss of life through one persons black of thought. bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 48

1:09pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Huey says...

What a moron!
What a moron! Huey
  • Score: 34

2:57pm Fri 15 Aug 14

dorsetspeed says...

"a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place."

So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.
"a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money. dorsetspeed
  • Score: -3

3:02pm Fri 15 Aug 14

tbpoole says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
"a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.
What an insensitive tw*t you are.
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: "a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.[/p][/quote]What an insensitive tw*t you are. tbpoole
  • Score: 34

3:06pm Fri 15 Aug 14

babyoleg says...

he was a fantastic brother in law hate that scumbag who did this. hope he rots. he should have got life. A LIFE FOR A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS WAS NO ACCIDENT IT WAS MURDER.. I have tears in my eyes as I write this brings it all back. my sister will never get over the loss of her husband. his children and grandchildren have been left devastated.
he was a fantastic brother in law hate that scumbag who did this. hope he rots. he should have got life. A LIFE FOR A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS WAS NO ACCIDENT IT WAS MURDER.. I have tears in my eyes as I write this brings it all back. my sister will never get over the loss of her husband. his children and grandchildren have been left devastated. babyoleg
  • Score: 106

3:16pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Huey says...

babyoleg wrote:
he was a fantastic brother in law hate that scumbag who did this. hope he rots. he should have got life. A LIFE FOR A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS WAS NO ACCIDENT IT WAS MURDER.. I have tears in my eyes as I write this brings it all back. my sister will never get over the loss of her husband. his children and grandchildren have been left devastated.
This post really reveals the human cost of some jerk's actions
[quote][p][bold]babyoleg[/bold] wrote: he was a fantastic brother in law hate that scumbag who did this. hope he rots. he should have got life. A LIFE FOR A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS WAS NO ACCIDENT IT WAS MURDER.. I have tears in my eyes as I write this brings it all back. my sister will never get over the loss of her husband. his children and grandchildren have been left devastated.[/p][/quote]This post really reveals the human cost of some jerk's actions Huey
  • Score: 80

3:36pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Bob Bournemouth says...

Why don't people realise that it is so dangerous driving at speed - your reactions have to be that much quicker and other drivers don't have enough warning to get out of their way. Such a sad story and our sympathies go out to his family.
Why don't people realise that it is so dangerous driving at speed - your reactions have to be that much quicker and other drivers don't have enough warning to get out of their way. Such a sad story and our sympathies go out to his family. Bob Bournemouth
  • Score: 35

3:40pm Fri 15 Aug 14

dorsetspeed says...

tbpoole wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
"a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.
What an insensitive tw*t you are.
Wouldn't have been appropriate in an article reporting a death, but this is about the sentence.
[quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: "a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.[/p][/quote]What an insensitive tw*t you are.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't have been appropriate in an article reporting a death, but this is about the sentence. dorsetspeed
  • Score: 2

3:47pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Kar105 says...

It was my father who was the deceased in this story Dorset police have been fantastic with all the family during this traumatic time and if it was not for them who knows what sentence DAVID CHURCHER would of receive, he has taken a massive part of our family away from us and yet looks for people to throw sympathy his way (tosser)
If u set off on your days journey drinking a bottle of vodka followed by a bottle of whiskey and a joint then maybe it's him who should be buried in the ground and not my dad as he obviously has nothing to live for, I hope he has the most horrific time in prison and never comes out, once again My family and I would like to thank Dorset police for everything they have done for us
It was my father who was the deceased in this story Dorset police have been fantastic with all the family during this traumatic time and if it was not for them who knows what sentence DAVID CHURCHER would of receive, he has taken a massive part of our family away from us and yet looks for people to throw sympathy his way (tosser) If u set off on your days journey drinking a bottle of vodka followed by a bottle of whiskey and a joint then maybe it's him who should be buried in the ground and not my dad as he obviously has nothing to live for, I hope he has the most horrific time in prison and never comes out, once again My family and I would like to thank Dorset police for everything they have done for us Kar105
  • Score: 125

4:02pm Fri 15 Aug 14

starchef01 says...

I knew Steve, he stayed at a b&b's in Poole that I worked in, he was a fantastic person and a very hard working family man, we were all very upset when we heard what had happened, my thoughts are still with all his family and friends who have lost a true gentleman through someone's total stupidity
I knew Steve, he stayed at a b&b's in Poole that I worked in, he was a fantastic person and a very hard working family man, we were all very upset when we heard what had happened, my thoughts are still with all his family and friends who have lost a true gentleman through someone's total stupidity starchef01
  • Score: 50

4:10pm Fri 15 Aug 14

yet_another_one says...

Huey wrote:
babyoleg wrote:
he was a fantastic brother in law hate that scumbag who did this. hope he rots. he should have got life. A LIFE FOR A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS WAS NO ACCIDENT IT WAS MURDER.. I have tears in my eyes as I write this brings it all back. my sister will never get over the loss of her husband. his children and grandchildren have been left devastated.
This post really reveals the human cost of some jerk's actions
So, is six & a half years really enough considering he could be out in just over 3 years - I think not.

A plea to insurance companies - please don't insure this idiot at any cost.
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]babyoleg[/bold] wrote: he was a fantastic brother in law hate that scumbag who did this. hope he rots. he should have got life. A LIFE FOR A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS WAS NO ACCIDENT IT WAS MURDER.. I have tears in my eyes as I write this brings it all back. my sister will never get over the loss of her husband. his children and grandchildren have been left devastated.[/p][/quote]This post really reveals the human cost of some jerk's actions[/p][/quote]So, is six & a half years really enough considering he could be out in just over 3 years - I think not. A plea to insurance companies - please don't insure this idiot at any cost. yet_another_one
  • Score: 47

4:15pm Fri 15 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
"a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place."

So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.
Please do the rest of the human race a favour and drop dead you complete moron. The bloke behind the wheel did the killing, not the traffic cops. Any words of sympathy for the widow? Not a chance from DS, or as I prefer to know him, Dead Stupid.

Why does the law protect motorists who kill somebody? If any other weapon had been used this would have been a manslaughter charge.
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: "a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.[/p][/quote]Please do the rest of the human race a favour and drop dead you complete moron. The bloke behind the wheel did the killing, not the traffic cops. Any words of sympathy for the widow? Not a chance from DS, or as I prefer to know him, Dead Stupid. Why does the law protect motorists who kill somebody? If any other weapon had been used this would have been a manslaughter charge. breamoreboy
  • Score: -6

4:21pm Fri 15 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
tbpoole wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
"a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.
What an insensitive tw*t you are.
Wouldn't have been appropriate in an article reporting a death, but this is about the sentence.
Yep six and a half paltry years. Disgraceful, should have been at least double that. What actually happened, did the killer get put off by one of those naughty officers pointing their deadly gun at him? Jeesh, you and your obsession with your "crusade" make me puke, and I've got a fairly sound stomach. Any words of sympathy yet for the relatives? What, from Dead Stupid? Not a chance.
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: "a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.[/p][/quote]What an insensitive tw*t you are.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't have been appropriate in an article reporting a death, but this is about the sentence.[/p][/quote]Yep six and a half paltry years. Disgraceful, should have been at least double that. What actually happened, did the killer get put off by one of those naughty officers pointing their deadly gun at him? Jeesh, you and your obsession with your "crusade" make me puke, and I've got a fairly sound stomach. Any words of sympathy yet for the relatives? What, from Dead Stupid? Not a chance. breamoreboy
  • Score: -22

4:25pm Fri 15 Aug 14

nosuchluck54 says...

tbpoole wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
"a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.
What an insensitive tw*t you are.
Well said. no thought for anything else except for his own agendas, an absolute disgrace and not for the first time.I feel for any friend or family of Mr Fawcett who reads his trash.
[quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: "a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.[/p][/quote]What an insensitive tw*t you are.[/p][/quote]Well said. no thought for anything else except for his own agendas, an absolute disgrace and not for the first time.I feel for any friend or family of Mr Fawcett who reads his trash. nosuchluck54
  • Score: -2

4:30pm Fri 15 Aug 14

jill M says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
"a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place."

So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.
You are so predictable- any chance you get to take a pop at the police you take it, you don't know the facts of this case, you weren't there, so don't make statements you can't back up .
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: "a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.[/p][/quote]You are so predictable- any chance you get to take a pop at the police you take it, you don't know the facts of this case, you weren't there, so don't make statements you can't back up . jill M
  • Score: -3

4:34pm Fri 15 Aug 14

jill M says...

Kar105 wrote:
It was my father who was the deceased in this story Dorset police have been fantastic with all the family during this traumatic time and if it was not for them who knows what sentence DAVID CHURCHER would of receive, he has taken a massive part of our family away from us and yet looks for people to throw sympathy his way (tosser)
If u set off on your days journey drinking a bottle of vodka followed by a bottle of whiskey and a joint then maybe it's him who should be buried in the ground and not my dad as he obviously has nothing to live for, I hope he has the most horrific time in prison and never comes out, once again My family and I would like to thank Dorset police for everything they have done for us
Read this Dorset Speed, read this and think before you utter your stupid spoutings in this paper again.
[quote][p][bold]Kar105[/bold] wrote: It was my father who was the deceased in this story Dorset police have been fantastic with all the family during this traumatic time and if it was not for them who knows what sentence DAVID CHURCHER would of receive, he has taken a massive part of our family away from us and yet looks for people to throw sympathy his way (tosser) If u set off on your days journey drinking a bottle of vodka followed by a bottle of whiskey and a joint then maybe it's him who should be buried in the ground and not my dad as he obviously has nothing to live for, I hope he has the most horrific time in prison and never comes out, once again My family and I would like to thank Dorset police for everything they have done for us[/p][/quote]Read this Dorset Speed, read this and think before you utter your stupid spoutings in this paper again. jill M
  • Score: 8

5:48pm Fri 15 Aug 14

echor23 says...

May he rot in jail indeed and be cursed for life for taking a life! Utter scum!
May he rot in jail indeed and be cursed for life for taking a life! Utter scum! echor23
  • Score: 12

6:20pm Fri 15 Aug 14

adspacebroker says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
"a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place."

So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.
What a nob...why don't you go and find something useful to do with your life instead of pretending that you are the critical voice of a topic you know nothing about. Sadly there is not enough money in the pot to have a police car on every corner and they do the best they can and let me tell you, only a couple of months ago I witnessed aggressive and inconsiderate driving on the A31 and did the right thing by calling the Police....guess what, they were waiting for him at Bere Regis and he got his car seized. The public have to play their part and this tragic loss shows exactly the reasons way.
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: "a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.[/p][/quote]What a nob...why don't you go and find something useful to do with your life instead of pretending that you are the critical voice of a topic you know nothing about. Sadly there is not enough money in the pot to have a police car on every corner and they do the best they can and let me tell you, only a couple of months ago I witnessed aggressive and inconsiderate driving on the A31 and did the right thing by calling the Police....guess what, they were waiting for him at Bere Regis and he got his car seized. The public have to play their part and this tragic loss shows exactly the reasons way. adspacebroker
  • Score: 4

7:50pm Fri 15 Aug 14

tbpoole says...

Why the negative scores suddenly for anyone criticising dorsetspleen in this article?

I can only think that he either has lots of devices and is clicking the thumbs down on each of them or he has asked all his sinister online cronies to help him.
Why the negative scores suddenly for anyone criticising dorsetspleen in this article? I can only think that he either has lots of devices and is clicking the thumbs down on each of them or he has asked all his sinister online cronies to help him. tbpoole
  • Score: 0

8:21pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Some people are pathetic says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
"a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place."

So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.
Dorset speed I sense that you have been caught speeding hence your views! I hope you keep getting caught and you get disqualified and then we have another tw@t off our roads
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: "a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.[/p][/quote]Dorset speed I sense that you have been caught speeding hence your views! I hope you keep getting caught and you get disqualified and then we have another tw@t off our roads Some people are pathetic
  • Score: 0

8:23pm Fri 15 Aug 14

dorsetspeed says...

Get a sense of perspective, tbpoole, breamore, etc, anyone would think that my comment was worse than what Mr Churcher did!

This is an article about the case and decision with the words "rot in jail" in the title against someone who is seriously brain damaged. Does anyone seriously think this was a one off? The probability is that he was a persistent dangerous driver, just like the killer of Jade Clark who was banned and uninsured. Exactly the kind of people the police should be targeting BEFORE they kill someone. I (and it seems most people) see insane driving every day and nothing done about it.

My suspicions about Dorset Police were confirmed recently in my meeting with Martin Underhill - there were 2 errors, directly relating to the 2 main terms of the complaint. He reluctantly agreed to respond to them. The meeting was recorded and he also said he would provide me with the recording. But he is now ignoring these 3 actions. He also ignored allegations of fraud, not by challenging them but by saying it was to do with Poole Council, not Dorset Police!!! (even thought Dorset Police made all the money and the fraudulent Greed on Green camera was justified only by a pack of lies from senior Dorset Road "Safe" personnel)

With Road Safey policing this bad, it is only right, however insensitive, to continue to expose the incompetence and dishonesty, with the eventual aim of reducing the frequency of these terrible events.

We should have dangerous drivers disciplined / educated / disallowed and prevented from driving, not killing people then rotting in jail, and the police just making money
Get a sense of perspective, tbpoole, breamore, etc, anyone would think that my comment was worse than what Mr Churcher did! This is an article about the case and decision with the words "rot in jail" in the title against someone who is seriously brain damaged. Does anyone seriously think this was a one off? The probability is that he was a persistent dangerous driver, just like the killer of Jade Clark who was banned and uninsured. Exactly the kind of people the police should be targeting BEFORE they kill someone. I (and it seems most people) see insane driving every day and nothing done about it. My suspicions about Dorset Police were confirmed recently in my meeting with Martin Underhill - there were 2 errors, directly relating to the 2 main terms of the complaint. He reluctantly agreed to respond to them. The meeting was recorded and he also said he would provide me with the recording. But he is now ignoring these 3 actions. He also ignored allegations of fraud, not by challenging them but by saying it was to do with Poole Council, not Dorset Police!!! (even thought Dorset Police made all the money and the fraudulent Greed on Green camera was justified only by a pack of lies from senior Dorset Road "Safe" personnel) With Road Safey policing this bad, it is only right, however insensitive, to continue to expose the incompetence and dishonesty, with the eventual aim of reducing the frequency of these terrible events. We should have dangerous drivers disciplined / educated / disallowed and prevented from driving, not killing people then rotting in jail, and the police just making money dorsetspeed
  • Score: 24

8:46pm Fri 15 Aug 14

tbpoole says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
Get a sense of perspective, tbpoole, breamore, etc, anyone would think that my comment was worse than what Mr Churcher did!

This is an article about the case and decision with the words "rot in jail" in the title against someone who is seriously brain damaged. Does anyone seriously think this was a one off? The probability is that he was a persistent dangerous driver, just like the killer of Jade Clark who was banned and uninsured. Exactly the kind of people the police should be targeting BEFORE they kill someone. I (and it seems most people) see insane driving every day and nothing done about it.

My suspicions about Dorset Police were confirmed recently in my meeting with Martin Underhill - there were 2 errors, directly relating to the 2 main terms of the complaint. He reluctantly agreed to respond to them. The meeting was recorded and he also said he would provide me with the recording. But he is now ignoring these 3 actions. He also ignored allegations of fraud, not by challenging them but by saying it was to do with Poole Council, not Dorset Police!!! (even thought Dorset Police made all the money and the fraudulent Greed on Green camera was justified only by a pack of lies from senior Dorset Road "Safe" personnel)

With Road Safey policing this bad, it is only right, however insensitive, to continue to expose the incompetence and dishonesty, with the eventual aim of reducing the frequency of these terrible events.

We should have dangerous drivers disciplined / educated / disallowed and prevented from driving, not killing people then rotting in jail, and the police just making money
Stop turning the articles around to suit your agenda you complete numpty. This is NOT about you or some sob story you are trying to portray because you didn't get your own way. It is about a tragic case caused by a speeding motorist. It is nothing to do with speed cameras, or Martyn Underhill, or stupid allegations.

Stay off here unless you have something to say about the actual events surrounding this case.
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: Get a sense of perspective, tbpoole, breamore, etc, anyone would think that my comment was worse than what Mr Churcher did! This is an article about the case and decision with the words "rot in jail" in the title against someone who is seriously brain damaged. Does anyone seriously think this was a one off? The probability is that he was a persistent dangerous driver, just like the killer of Jade Clark who was banned and uninsured. Exactly the kind of people the police should be targeting BEFORE they kill someone. I (and it seems most people) see insane driving every day and nothing done about it. My suspicions about Dorset Police were confirmed recently in my meeting with Martin Underhill - there were 2 errors, directly relating to the 2 main terms of the complaint. He reluctantly agreed to respond to them. The meeting was recorded and he also said he would provide me with the recording. But he is now ignoring these 3 actions. He also ignored allegations of fraud, not by challenging them but by saying it was to do with Poole Council, not Dorset Police!!! (even thought Dorset Police made all the money and the fraudulent Greed on Green camera was justified only by a pack of lies from senior Dorset Road "Safe" personnel) With Road Safey policing this bad, it is only right, however insensitive, to continue to expose the incompetence and dishonesty, with the eventual aim of reducing the frequency of these terrible events. We should have dangerous drivers disciplined / educated / disallowed and prevented from driving, not killing people then rotting in jail, and the police just making money[/p][/quote]Stop turning the articles around to suit your agenda you complete numpty. This is NOT about you or some sob story you are trying to portray because you didn't get your own way. It is about a tragic case caused by a speeding motorist. It is nothing to do with speed cameras, or Martyn Underhill, or stupid allegations. Stay off here unless you have something to say about the actual events surrounding this case. tbpoole
  • Score: -10

9:34pm Fri 15 Aug 14

dorsetspeed says...

tbpoole wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
Get a sense of perspective, tbpoole, breamore, etc, anyone would think that my comment was worse than what Mr Churcher did!

This is an article about the case and decision with the words "rot in jail" in the title against someone who is seriously brain damaged. Does anyone seriously think this was a one off? The probability is that he was a persistent dangerous driver, just like the killer of Jade Clark who was banned and uninsured. Exactly the kind of people the police should be targeting BEFORE they kill someone. I (and it seems most people) see insane driving every day and nothing done about it.

My suspicions about Dorset Police were confirmed recently in my meeting with Martin Underhill - there were 2 errors, directly relating to the 2 main terms of the complaint. He reluctantly agreed to respond to them. The meeting was recorded and he also said he would provide me with the recording. But he is now ignoring these 3 actions. He also ignored allegations of fraud, not by challenging them but by saying it was to do with Poole Council, not Dorset Police!!! (even thought Dorset Police made all the money and the fraudulent Greed on Green camera was justified only by a pack of lies from senior Dorset Road "Safe" personnel)

With Road Safey policing this bad, it is only right, however insensitive, to continue to expose the incompetence and dishonesty, with the eventual aim of reducing the frequency of these terrible events.

We should have dangerous drivers disciplined / educated / disallowed and prevented from driving, not killing people then rotting in jail, and the police just making money
Stop turning the articles around to suit your agenda you complete numpty. This is NOT about you or some sob story you are trying to portray because you didn't get your own way. It is about a tragic case caused by a speeding motorist. It is nothing to do with speed cameras, or Martyn Underhill, or stupid allegations.

Stay off here unless you have something to say about the actual events surrounding this case.
I remember a recent response of yours where tailgaiting = speeding, distraction = speeding, **** = speeding etc etc. Now, "Prosecuting, Heather Shimmen said empty bottles of whiskey and vodka were found in the Ford Transit van, along with a small bag of herbal cannabis, and doctors said the defendant may have had up to 186mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood at the time of the crash."

And all you can say is "a speeding motorist". You really are totally obsessed with speed, aren't you? Does your job depend on it, by any chance?

This has everything to do with competent and honest roads policing. And we (and most places) don't have it.

What gives you the authority to tell me to "stay off here"? Who do you think you are?
[quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: Get a sense of perspective, tbpoole, breamore, etc, anyone would think that my comment was worse than what Mr Churcher did! This is an article about the case and decision with the words "rot in jail" in the title against someone who is seriously brain damaged. Does anyone seriously think this was a one off? The probability is that he was a persistent dangerous driver, just like the killer of Jade Clark who was banned and uninsured. Exactly the kind of people the police should be targeting BEFORE they kill someone. I (and it seems most people) see insane driving every day and nothing done about it. My suspicions about Dorset Police were confirmed recently in my meeting with Martin Underhill - there were 2 errors, directly relating to the 2 main terms of the complaint. He reluctantly agreed to respond to them. The meeting was recorded and he also said he would provide me with the recording. But he is now ignoring these 3 actions. He also ignored allegations of fraud, not by challenging them but by saying it was to do with Poole Council, not Dorset Police!!! (even thought Dorset Police made all the money and the fraudulent Greed on Green camera was justified only by a pack of lies from senior Dorset Road "Safe" personnel) With Road Safey policing this bad, it is only right, however insensitive, to continue to expose the incompetence and dishonesty, with the eventual aim of reducing the frequency of these terrible events. We should have dangerous drivers disciplined / educated / disallowed and prevented from driving, not killing people then rotting in jail, and the police just making money[/p][/quote]Stop turning the articles around to suit your agenda you complete numpty. This is NOT about you or some sob story you are trying to portray because you didn't get your own way. It is about a tragic case caused by a speeding motorist. It is nothing to do with speed cameras, or Martyn Underhill, or stupid allegations. Stay off here unless you have something to say about the actual events surrounding this case.[/p][/quote]I remember a recent response of yours where tailgaiting = speeding, distraction = speeding, **** = speeding etc etc. Now, "Prosecuting, Heather Shimmen said empty bottles of whiskey and vodka were found in the Ford Transit van, along with a small bag of herbal cannabis, and doctors said the defendant may have had up to 186mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood at the time of the crash." And all you can say is "a speeding motorist". You really are totally obsessed with speed, aren't you? Does your job depend on it, by any chance? This has everything to do with competent and honest roads policing. And we (and most places) don't have it. What gives you the authority to tell me to "stay off here"? Who do you think you are? dorsetspeed
  • Score: 9

9:39pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Staynor66 says...

adspacebroker wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
"a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place."

So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.
What a nob...why don't you go and find something useful to do with your life instead of pretending that you are the critical voice of a topic you know nothing about. Sadly there is not enough money in the pot to have a police car on every corner and they do the best they can and let me tell you, only a couple of months ago I witnessed aggressive and inconsiderate driving on the A31 and did the right thing by calling the Police....guess what, they were waiting for him at Bere Regis and he got his car seized. The public have to play their part and this tragic loss shows exactly the reasons way.
Very well said
[quote][p][bold]adspacebroker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: "a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.[/p][/quote]What a nob...why don't you go and find something useful to do with your life instead of pretending that you are the critical voice of a topic you know nothing about. Sadly there is not enough money in the pot to have a police car on every corner and they do the best they can and let me tell you, only a couple of months ago I witnessed aggressive and inconsiderate driving on the A31 and did the right thing by calling the Police....guess what, they were waiting for him at Bere Regis and he got his car seized. The public have to play their part and this tragic loss shows exactly the reasons way.[/p][/quote]Very well said Staynor66
  • Score: -3

9:52pm Fri 15 Aug 14

dorsetspeed says...

Staynor66 wrote:
adspacebroker wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
"a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place."

So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.
What a nob...why don't you go and find something useful to do with your life instead of pretending that you are the critical voice of a topic you know nothing about. Sadly there is not enough money in the pot to have a police car on every corner and they do the best they can and let me tell you, only a couple of months ago I witnessed aggressive and inconsiderate driving on the A31 and did the right thing by calling the Police....guess what, they were waiting for him at Bere Regis and he got his car seized. The public have to play their part and this tragic loss shows exactly the reasons way.
Very well said
Actually, I know for sure I know more than the 3 people I met claiming to be responsible in Dorset Police recently. They didn't even know basic road safety statistics, such as that only 7% of KSI accidents have speeding as only one of potentially many factors.
There is enough money to have some proper roads policing. But Dorset Police don't like to spend money, they like to make it.
If someone really phoned Dorset Police about a dangerous driver and they went out and stopped then then that is absolutely excellent and exactly what I want - but this is not the experience of the majority of the public.
The public are being alienated from the police by their blatant money making activities.
[quote][p][bold]Staynor66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adspacebroker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: "a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.[/p][/quote]What a nob...why don't you go and find something useful to do with your life instead of pretending that you are the critical voice of a topic you know nothing about. Sadly there is not enough money in the pot to have a police car on every corner and they do the best they can and let me tell you, only a couple of months ago I witnessed aggressive and inconsiderate driving on the A31 and did the right thing by calling the Police....guess what, they were waiting for him at Bere Regis and he got his car seized. The public have to play their part and this tragic loss shows exactly the reasons way.[/p][/quote]Very well said[/p][/quote]Actually, I know for sure I know more than the 3 people I met claiming to be responsible in Dorset Police recently. They didn't even know basic road safety statistics, such as that only 7% of KSI accidents have speeding as only one of potentially many factors. There is enough money to have some proper roads policing. But Dorset Police don't like to spend money, they like to make it. If someone really phoned Dorset Police about a dangerous driver and they went out and stopped then then that is absolutely excellent and exactly what I want - but this is not the experience of the majority of the public. The public are being alienated from the police by their blatant money making activities. dorsetspeed
  • Score: -3

9:54pm Fri 15 Aug 14

tbpoole says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
tbpoole wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
Get a sense of perspective, tbpoole, breamore, etc, anyone would think that my comment was worse than what Mr Churcher did!

This is an article about the case and decision with the words "rot in jail" in the title against someone who is seriously brain damaged. Does anyone seriously think this was a one off? The probability is that he was a persistent dangerous driver, just like the killer of Jade Clark who was banned and uninsured. Exactly the kind of people the police should be targeting BEFORE they kill someone. I (and it seems most people) see insane driving every day and nothing done about it.

My suspicions about Dorset Police were confirmed recently in my meeting with Martin Underhill - there were 2 errors, directly relating to the 2 main terms of the complaint. He reluctantly agreed to respond to them. The meeting was recorded and he also said he would provide me with the recording. But he is now ignoring these 3 actions. He also ignored allegations of fraud, not by challenging them but by saying it was to do with Poole Council, not Dorset Police!!! (even thought Dorset Police made all the money and the fraudulent Greed on Green camera was justified only by a pack of lies from senior Dorset Road "Safe" personnel)

With Road Safey policing this bad, it is only right, however insensitive, to continue to expose the incompetence and dishonesty, with the eventual aim of reducing the frequency of these terrible events.

We should have dangerous drivers disciplined / educated / disallowed and prevented from driving, not killing people then rotting in jail, and the police just making money
Stop turning the articles around to suit your agenda you complete numpty. This is NOT about you or some sob story you are trying to portray because you didn't get your own way. It is about a tragic case caused by a speeding motorist. It is nothing to do with speed cameras, or Martyn Underhill, or stupid allegations.

Stay off here unless you have something to say about the actual events surrounding this case.
I remember a recent response of yours where tailgaiting = speeding, distraction = speeding, **** = speeding etc etc. Now, "Prosecuting, Heather Shimmen said empty bottles of whiskey and vodka were found in the Ford Transit van, along with a small bag of herbal cannabis, and doctors said the defendant may have had up to 186mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood at the time of the crash."

And all you can say is "a speeding motorist". You really are totally obsessed with speed, aren't you? Does your job depend on it, by any chance?

This has everything to do with competent and honest roads policing. And we (and most places) don't have it.

What gives you the authority to tell me to "stay off here"? Who do you think you are?
I repeat this is not a platform for your unrelated views on traffic policing. Stay off unless you have something constructive to say. My job has nothing to do with this whereas your whole reason for being here is to promote your viewpoint and not comment on the article.

Will you ever listen? Look at all the other comments. They are totally independent of me and yet all give the same message. (Which is Get lost).
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: Get a sense of perspective, tbpoole, breamore, etc, anyone would think that my comment was worse than what Mr Churcher did! This is an article about the case and decision with the words "rot in jail" in the title against someone who is seriously brain damaged. Does anyone seriously think this was a one off? The probability is that he was a persistent dangerous driver, just like the killer of Jade Clark who was banned and uninsured. Exactly the kind of people the police should be targeting BEFORE they kill someone. I (and it seems most people) see insane driving every day and nothing done about it. My suspicions about Dorset Police were confirmed recently in my meeting with Martin Underhill - there were 2 errors, directly relating to the 2 main terms of the complaint. He reluctantly agreed to respond to them. The meeting was recorded and he also said he would provide me with the recording. But he is now ignoring these 3 actions. He also ignored allegations of fraud, not by challenging them but by saying it was to do with Poole Council, not Dorset Police!!! (even thought Dorset Police made all the money and the fraudulent Greed on Green camera was justified only by a pack of lies from senior Dorset Road "Safe" personnel) With Road Safey policing this bad, it is only right, however insensitive, to continue to expose the incompetence and dishonesty, with the eventual aim of reducing the frequency of these terrible events. We should have dangerous drivers disciplined / educated / disallowed and prevented from driving, not killing people then rotting in jail, and the police just making money[/p][/quote]Stop turning the articles around to suit your agenda you complete numpty. This is NOT about you or some sob story you are trying to portray because you didn't get your own way. It is about a tragic case caused by a speeding motorist. It is nothing to do with speed cameras, or Martyn Underhill, or stupid allegations. Stay off here unless you have something to say about the actual events surrounding this case.[/p][/quote]I remember a recent response of yours where tailgaiting = speeding, distraction = speeding, **** = speeding etc etc. Now, "Prosecuting, Heather Shimmen said empty bottles of whiskey and vodka were found in the Ford Transit van, along with a small bag of herbal cannabis, and doctors said the defendant may have had up to 186mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood at the time of the crash." And all you can say is "a speeding motorist". You really are totally obsessed with speed, aren't you? Does your job depend on it, by any chance? This has everything to do with competent and honest roads policing. And we (and most places) don't have it. What gives you the authority to tell me to "stay off here"? Who do you think you are?[/p][/quote]I repeat this is not a platform for your unrelated views on traffic policing. Stay off unless you have something constructive to say. My job has nothing to do with this whereas your whole reason for being here is to promote your viewpoint and not comment on the article. Will you ever listen? Look at all the other comments. They are totally independent of me and yet all give the same message. (Which is Get lost). tbpoole
  • Score: -6

10:03pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Staynor66 says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
Staynor66 wrote:
adspacebroker wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
"a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place."

So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.
What a nob...why don't you go and find something useful to do with your life instead of pretending that you are the critical voice of a topic you know nothing about. Sadly there is not enough money in the pot to have a police car on every corner and they do the best they can and let me tell you, only a couple of months ago I witnessed aggressive and inconsiderate driving on the A31 and did the right thing by calling the Police....guess what, they were waiting for him at Bere Regis and he got his car seized. The public have to play their part and this tragic loss shows exactly the reasons way.
Very well said
Actually, I know for sure I know more than the 3 people I met claiming to be responsible in Dorset Police recently. They didn't even know basic road safety statistics, such as that only 7% of KSI accidents have speeding as only one of potentially many factors.
There is enough money to have some proper roads policing. But Dorset Police don't like to spend money, they like to make it.
If someone really phoned Dorset Police about a dangerous driver and they went out and stopped then then that is absolutely excellent and exactly what I want - but this is not the experience of the majority of the public.
The public are being alienated from the police by their blatant money making activities.
Oh give it a rest you old wind bag, have you not read the numerous campaigns initiated by Dorset police, Xmas drink drive , summer drink drive, god knows how many No excuse campaigns. Whilst normally I would applaud anyone wishing to make roads safer so tragedies can be avoided you seem to have a disturbing underlying agenda aimed at Dorset police. They cant be everywhere all the time and if you are truly against speeding then the only money they are making is from the people you are against.
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Staynor66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adspacebroker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: "a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.[/p][/quote]What a nob...why don't you go and find something useful to do with your life instead of pretending that you are the critical voice of a topic you know nothing about. Sadly there is not enough money in the pot to have a police car on every corner and they do the best they can and let me tell you, only a couple of months ago I witnessed aggressive and inconsiderate driving on the A31 and did the right thing by calling the Police....guess what, they were waiting for him at Bere Regis and he got his car seized. The public have to play their part and this tragic loss shows exactly the reasons way.[/p][/quote]Very well said[/p][/quote]Actually, I know for sure I know more than the 3 people I met claiming to be responsible in Dorset Police recently. They didn't even know basic road safety statistics, such as that only 7% of KSI accidents have speeding as only one of potentially many factors. There is enough money to have some proper roads policing. But Dorset Police don't like to spend money, they like to make it. If someone really phoned Dorset Police about a dangerous driver and they went out and stopped then then that is absolutely excellent and exactly what I want - but this is not the experience of the majority of the public. The public are being alienated from the police by their blatant money making activities.[/p][/quote]Oh give it a rest you old wind bag, have you not read the numerous campaigns initiated by Dorset police, Xmas drink drive , summer drink drive, god knows how many No excuse campaigns. Whilst normally I would applaud anyone wishing to make roads safer so tragedies can be avoided you seem to have a disturbing underlying agenda aimed at Dorset police. They cant be everywhere all the time and if you are truly against speeding then the only money they are making is from the people you are against. Staynor66
  • Score: -11

10:04pm Fri 15 Aug 14

MotorbikeSam says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
"a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place."

So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.
typical of this moron Dorset Speed ( the man who wants no speed limits and the right to speed as and when he feels like it ) to blame the police !
!
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: "a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.[/p][/quote]typical of this moron Dorset Speed ( the man who wants no speed limits and the right to speed as and when he feels like it ) to blame the police ! ! MotorbikeSam
  • Score: -20

10:06pm Fri 15 Aug 14

dorsetspeed says...

tbpoole, although what you write is irrational and you have never been able to state a single thing I have ever written which is wrong, I welcome it as it helps to demonstrate how strong my position is. I have never felt threatened by what you and one or two others have written against me. I would never tell you to "get lost" or "stay off". because, unlike Dorset Police, and in common with a professional safety culture, I positively welcome criticism and would be delighted to be proved wrong about anything as I would learn from it and improve.

So please keep it coming - one of the things that has really boosted my confidence is that someone so single mindedly determined to discredit me has so spectacular failed to actually do so.
tbpoole, although what you write is irrational and you have never been able to state a single thing I have ever written which is wrong, I welcome it as it helps to demonstrate how strong my position is. I have never felt threatened by what you and one or two others have written against me. I would never tell you to "get lost" or "stay off". because, unlike Dorset Police, and in common with a professional safety culture, I positively welcome criticism and would be delighted to be proved wrong about anything as I would learn from it and improve. So please keep it coming - one of the things that has really boosted my confidence is that someone so single mindedly determined to discredit me has so spectacular failed to actually do so. dorsetspeed
  • Score: 7

10:08pm Fri 15 Aug 14

dorsetspeed says...

MotorbikeSam wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
"a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place."

So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.
typical of this moron Dorset Speed ( the man who wants no speed limits and the right to speed as and when he feels like it ) to blame the police !
!
Oh dear (again) Where did I ever say I want no speed limits and the right to speed as and when I feel like it?
[quote][p][bold]MotorbikeSam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: "a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.[/p][/quote]typical of this moron Dorset Speed ( the man who wants no speed limits and the right to speed as and when he feels like it ) to blame the police ! ![/p][/quote]Oh dear (again) Where did I ever say I want no speed limits and the right to speed as and when I feel like it? dorsetspeed
  • Score: 16

10:17pm Fri 15 Aug 14

typ nowhere says...

Mr Belchamber you have been out of order on the whole of this thread.
Mr Belchamber you have been out of order on the whole of this thread. typ nowhere
  • Score: 0

10:23pm Fri 15 Aug 14

grazzer says...

l absolutely agree with everything that Dorsetspeed has said
l absolutely agree with everything that Dorsetspeed has said grazzer
  • Score: 4

10:24pm Fri 15 Aug 14

new2it says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
"a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place."

So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.
Are you one of those who also moans about the police chasing speeding drivers instead of going after "real criminals?" It seems they can't win whatever they do. A tragic accident and you have to make an insensitive comment.
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: "a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.[/p][/quote]Are you one of those who also moans about the police chasing speeding drivers instead of going after "real criminals?" It seems they can't win whatever they do. A tragic accident and you have to make an insensitive comment. new2it
  • Score: -11

10:34pm Fri 15 Aug 14

dorsetspeed says...

new2it wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
"a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place."

So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.
Are you one of those who also moans about the police chasing speeding drivers instead of going after "real criminals?" It seems they can't win whatever they do. A tragic accident and you have to make an insensitive comment.
Tragic incident it most certainly is. Yes, I moan about police sitting in vans sending £110 "invitations" to those driving a few MPH above limits set well below average measured speeds on perfectly good and safe roads a couple of weeks after the event which clearly does nothing to prevent situations like this.
[quote][p][bold]new2it[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: "a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.[/p][/quote]Are you one of those who also moans about the police chasing speeding drivers instead of going after "real criminals?" It seems they can't win whatever they do. A tragic accident and you have to make an insensitive comment.[/p][/quote]Tragic incident it most certainly is. Yes, I moan about police sitting in vans sending £110 "invitations" to those driving a few MPH above limits set well below average measured speeds on perfectly good and safe roads a couple of weeks after the event which clearly does nothing to prevent situations like this. dorsetspeed
  • Score: 8

8:20am Sat 16 Aug 14

tbpoole says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
tbpoole, although what you write is irrational and you have never been able to state a single thing I have ever written which is wrong, I welcome it as it helps to demonstrate how strong my position is. I have never felt threatened by what you and one or two others have written against me. I would never tell you to "get lost" or "stay off". because, unlike Dorset Police, and in common with a professional safety culture, I positively welcome criticism and would be delighted to be proved wrong about anything as I would learn from it and improve.

So please keep it coming - one of the things that has really boosted my confidence is that someone so single mindedly determined to discredit me has so spectacular failed to actually do so.
No, more to the point you just won't listen to reason.

Your 'position' on these issues is so far removed from sanity that I almost feel sorry for how deluded and narcissistic you are. And if what I've said makes you feel some form of validation then it shows how dangerous you might be if you actually had any influence over proceedings.

So keep it coming, but please out of respect this is NOT the platform to do it on.

If you keep responding here and using it as a personal platform, you will only make even more enemies than you already have.
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: tbpoole, although what you write is irrational and you have never been able to state a single thing I have ever written which is wrong, I welcome it as it helps to demonstrate how strong my position is. I have never felt threatened by what you and one or two others have written against me. I would never tell you to "get lost" or "stay off". because, unlike Dorset Police, and in common with a professional safety culture, I positively welcome criticism and would be delighted to be proved wrong about anything as I would learn from it and improve. So please keep it coming - one of the things that has really boosted my confidence is that someone so single mindedly determined to discredit me has so spectacular failed to actually do so.[/p][/quote]No, more to the point you just won't listen to reason. Your 'position' on these issues is so far removed from sanity that I almost feel sorry for how deluded and narcissistic you are. And if what I've said makes you feel some form of validation then it shows how dangerous you might be if you actually had any influence over proceedings. So keep it coming, but please out of respect this is NOT the platform to do it on. If you keep responding here and using it as a personal platform, you will only make even more enemies than you already have. tbpoole
  • Score: -9

9:25am Sat 16 Aug 14

dorsetspeed says...

tbpoole wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
tbpoole, although what you write is irrational and you have never been able to state a single thing I have ever written which is wrong, I welcome it as it helps to demonstrate how strong my position is. I have never felt threatened by what you and one or two others have written against me. I would never tell you to "get lost" or "stay off". because, unlike Dorset Police, and in common with a professional safety culture, I positively welcome criticism and would be delighted to be proved wrong about anything as I would learn from it and improve.

So please keep it coming - one of the things that has really boosted my confidence is that someone so single mindedly determined to discredit me has so spectacular failed to actually do so.
No, more to the point you just won't listen to reason.

Your 'position' on these issues is so far removed from sanity that I almost feel sorry for how deluded and narcissistic you are. And if what I've said makes you feel some form of validation then it shows how dangerous you might be if you actually had any influence over proceedings.

So keep it coming, but please out of respect this is NOT the platform to do it on.

If you keep responding here and using it as a personal platform, you will only make even more enemies than you already have.
I listen to everything and answer every challenge.

So this is the right platform for you to call me deluded, narcissistic and insane but not the right platform for me to answer?

I say again tbpoole, please detail anything I have ever written which is "insane" etc.
[quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: tbpoole, although what you write is irrational and you have never been able to state a single thing I have ever written which is wrong, I welcome it as it helps to demonstrate how strong my position is. I have never felt threatened by what you and one or two others have written against me. I would never tell you to "get lost" or "stay off". because, unlike Dorset Police, and in common with a professional safety culture, I positively welcome criticism and would be delighted to be proved wrong about anything as I would learn from it and improve. So please keep it coming - one of the things that has really boosted my confidence is that someone so single mindedly determined to discredit me has so spectacular failed to actually do so.[/p][/quote]No, more to the point you just won't listen to reason. Your 'position' on these issues is so far removed from sanity that I almost feel sorry for how deluded and narcissistic you are. And if what I've said makes you feel some form of validation then it shows how dangerous you might be if you actually had any influence over proceedings. So keep it coming, but please out of respect this is NOT the platform to do it on. If you keep responding here and using it as a personal platform, you will only make even more enemies than you already have.[/p][/quote]I listen to everything and answer every challenge. So this is the right platform for you to call me deluded, narcissistic and insane but not the right platform for me to answer? I say again tbpoole, please detail anything I have ever written which is "insane" etc. dorsetspeed
  • Score: 3

9:31am Sat 16 Aug 14

RM says...

Very sad for the family & sincere condolences to them all. If Mr Churcher is going for the 'sympathy vote' as commented above he should be ashamed of himself - through his stupid, selfish, irresponsible actions he has ruined a family's future & if he himself has got injured in the accident he's the only person responsible for that too.
Very sad for the family & sincere condolences to them all. If Mr Churcher is going for the 'sympathy vote' as commented above he should be ashamed of himself - through his stupid, selfish, irresponsible actions he has ruined a family's future & if he himself has got injured in the accident he's the only person responsible for that too. RM
  • Score: 16

10:32am Sat 16 Aug 14

miltonarcher says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
new2it wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
"a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place."

So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.
Are you one of those who also moans about the police chasing speeding drivers instead of going after "real criminals?" It seems they can't win whatever they do. A tragic accident and you have to make an insensitive comment.
Tragic incident it most certainly is. Yes, I moan about police sitting in vans sending £110 "invitations" to those driving a few MPH above limits set well below average measured speeds on perfectly good and safe roads a couple of weeks after the event which clearly does nothing to prevent situations like this.
Yes, and that is your obsession, speed cameras. They are there for our safety. If they weren't used, it would be mayhem out there. A biker was killed when he tried to reduce his speed from over 80mph to the speed limit of 50. Yes he spotted a mobile speed camera and lost control of his bike. He died because he was being reckless. You can't move on from this tragic event, you blame the wrong people. You should focus on the brain dead drivers who speed, not the police.

By the way, stop manipulating the thumbs, we all know 99% of rational posters disagree with your warped views.
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]new2it[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: "a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.[/p][/quote]Are you one of those who also moans about the police chasing speeding drivers instead of going after "real criminals?" It seems they can't win whatever they do. A tragic accident and you have to make an insensitive comment.[/p][/quote]Tragic incident it most certainly is. Yes, I moan about police sitting in vans sending £110 "invitations" to those driving a few MPH above limits set well below average measured speeds on perfectly good and safe roads a couple of weeks after the event which clearly does nothing to prevent situations like this.[/p][/quote]Yes, and that is your obsession, speed cameras. They are there for our safety. If they weren't used, it would be mayhem out there. A biker was killed when he tried to reduce his speed from over 80mph to the speed limit of 50. Yes he spotted a mobile speed camera and lost control of his bike. He died because he was being reckless. You can't move on from this tragic event, you blame the wrong people. You should focus on the brain dead drivers who speed, not the police. By the way, stop manipulating the thumbs, we all know 99% of rational posters disagree with your warped views. miltonarcher
  • Score: -2

11:00am Sat 16 Aug 14

dorsetspeed says...

miltonarcher, no, a balanced, proportionate, competent, and honest approach to road safety (which by the way INCLUDES sensible use of speed cameras) is my obsession. It is the outcome that matters, and even if you could eliminate speeding entirely you could only reduce KSIs by a proportion of 7%. They are their to make money. It is the outcome that matters, road safety interventions need to change bad driving and accidents into good driving or disqualification, not bad driving into deaths. The bikers death had a number of factors of which bad driving was one and the presence of the camera was another.

Votes have always been in favor of those who are against the polices action, look back through all the other articles, why should it be any different now?
miltonarcher, no, a balanced, proportionate, competent, and honest approach to road safety (which by the way INCLUDES sensible use of speed cameras) is my obsession. It is the outcome that matters, and even if you could eliminate speeding entirely you could only reduce KSIs by a proportion of 7%. They are their to make money. It is the outcome that matters, road safety interventions need to change bad driving and accidents into good driving or disqualification, not bad driving into deaths. The bikers death had a number of factors of which bad driving was one and the presence of the camera was another. Votes have always been in favor of those who are against the polices action, look back through all the other articles, why should it be any different now? dorsetspeed
  • Score: 2

11:02am Sat 16 Aug 14

grazzer says...

official police figures show that 17% of drivers involved in accidents causing death or serious were exceeding the speed limit which means that 83% were obeying the limit. So if we are serious about road safety how about concentrating on why so many law abiding citizens have so many accidents?
official police figures show that 17% of drivers involved in accidents causing death or serious were exceeding the speed limit which means that 83% were obeying the limit. So if we are serious about road safety how about concentrating on why so many law abiding citizens have so many accidents? grazzer
  • Score: 14

11:14am Sat 16 Aug 14

dorsetspeed says...

grazzer wrote:
official police figures show that 17% of drivers involved in accidents causing death or serious were exceeding the speed limit which means that 83% were obeying the limit. So if we are serious about road safety how about concentrating on why so many law abiding citizens have so many accidents?
Because it doesn't make money. Actually, it's worse than that, it's about 17% of ksis that have SPEED as a factor - and that includes SPEEDING (above the speed limit) and inappropriate speed (which is below the limit), and incredibly, they are about the same.

So where speed is a factor in a KSI, the speed was just as likely to be below the limit as above it! Just shows how misguided the obsession with a number really is.
[quote][p][bold]grazzer[/bold] wrote: official police figures show that 17% of drivers involved in accidents causing death or serious were exceeding the speed limit which means that 83% were obeying the limit. So if we are serious about road safety how about concentrating on why so many law abiding citizens have so many accidents?[/p][/quote]Because it doesn't make money. Actually, it's worse than that, it's about 17% of ksis that have SPEED as a factor - and that includes SPEEDING (above the speed limit) and inappropriate speed (which is below the limit), and incredibly, they are about the same. So where speed is a factor in a KSI, the speed was just as likely to be below the limit as above it! Just shows how misguided the obsession with a number really is. dorsetspeed
  • Score: 5

12:05pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Major Futtock says...

Will somebody in the Echo put a stop to this bickering rant. Please.
It's like break time in kindergarten!
Will somebody in the Echo put a stop to this bickering rant. Please. It's like break time in kindergarten! Major Futtock
  • Score: 4

8:05pm Sat 16 Aug 14

mableone says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
grazzer wrote:
official police figures show that 17% of drivers involved in accidents causing death or serious were exceeding the speed limit which means that 83% were obeying the limit. So if we are serious about road safety how about concentrating on why so many law abiding citizens have so many accidents?
Because it doesn't make money. Actually, it's worse than that, it's about 17% of ksis that have SPEED as a factor - and that includes SPEEDING (above the speed limit) and inappropriate speed (which is below the limit), and incredibly, they are about the same.

So where speed is a factor in a KSI, the speed was just as likely to be below the limit as above it! Just shows how misguided the obsession with a number really is.
I just can't understand why you are continuing to put your ranting argument forward, you clearly seem to have an agenda of some sort. By continuing your ranting you are showing no consideration for the deceased or his friends and family. Why don't have a rest and find another article to respond to, one that does not involve people who are going through hell at the moment, you insensitive moron.
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grazzer[/bold] wrote: official police figures show that 17% of drivers involved in accidents causing death or serious were exceeding the speed limit which means that 83% were obeying the limit. So if we are serious about road safety how about concentrating on why so many law abiding citizens have so many accidents?[/p][/quote]Because it doesn't make money. Actually, it's worse than that, it's about 17% of ksis that have SPEED as a factor - and that includes SPEEDING (above the speed limit) and inappropriate speed (which is below the limit), and incredibly, they are about the same. So where speed is a factor in a KSI, the speed was just as likely to be below the limit as above it! Just shows how misguided the obsession with a number really is.[/p][/quote]I just can't understand why you are continuing to put your ranting argument forward, you clearly seem to have an agenda of some sort. By continuing your ranting you are showing no consideration for the deceased or his friends and family. Why don't have a rest and find another article to respond to, one that does not involve people who are going through hell at the moment, you insensitive moron. mableone
  • Score: -2

8:22pm Sat 16 Aug 14

dorsetspeed says...

Rants are usually irrational. There is nothing irrational about what I have stated. My agenda is to expose the failures in policing which might improve policing and make terrible events like this less frequent.
Rants are usually irrational. There is nothing irrational about what I have stated. My agenda is to expose the failures in policing which might improve policing and make terrible events like this less frequent. dorsetspeed
  • Score: 0

8:31pm Sat 16 Aug 14

mableone says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
Rants are usually irrational. There is nothing irrational about what I have stated. My agenda is to expose the failures in policing which might improve policing and make terrible events like this less frequent.
I think that you just like the sound of your own voice, you silly man.
Have you not thought that It could be, that you are the failure.
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: Rants are usually irrational. There is nothing irrational about what I have stated. My agenda is to expose the failures in policing which might improve policing and make terrible events like this less frequent.[/p][/quote]I think that you just like the sound of your own voice, you silly man. Have you not thought that It could be, that you are the failure. mableone
  • Score: -2

8:58pm Sat 16 Aug 14

dorsetspeed says...

mableone wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
Rants are usually irrational. There is nothing irrational about what I have stated. My agenda is to expose the failures in policing which might improve policing and make terrible events like this less frequent.
I think that you just like the sound of your own voice, you silly man.
Have you not thought that It could be, that you are the failure.
I'm happy to consider it, can you point to anything that suggests it?
[quote][p][bold]mableone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: Rants are usually irrational. There is nothing irrational about what I have stated. My agenda is to expose the failures in policing which might improve policing and make terrible events like this less frequent.[/p][/quote]I think that you just like the sound of your own voice, you silly man. Have you not thought that It could be, that you are the failure.[/p][/quote]I'm happy to consider it, can you point to anything that suggests it? dorsetspeed
  • Score: 2

10:03pm Sat 16 Aug 14

tbpoole says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
mableone wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
Rants are usually irrational. There is nothing irrational about what I have stated. My agenda is to expose the failures in policing which might improve policing and make terrible events like this less frequent.
I think that you just like the sound of your own voice, you silly man.
Have you not thought that It could be, that you are the failure.
I'm happy to consider it, can you point to anything that suggests it?
I wouldn't bother trying mableone.

He may try and give the impression he is an expert. I have to admit one thing dorsetspleen is skilled is the art of obfuscation. In other words he will attempt to tie you up in knots and claim that his website is legitimate when in fact he is the worst type of pseudo intellectual.

See what I did there ;-)
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mableone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: Rants are usually irrational. There is nothing irrational about what I have stated. My agenda is to expose the failures in policing which might improve policing and make terrible events like this less frequent.[/p][/quote]I think that you just like the sound of your own voice, you silly man. Have you not thought that It could be, that you are the failure.[/p][/quote]I'm happy to consider it, can you point to anything that suggests it?[/p][/quote]I wouldn't bother trying mableone. He may try and give the impression he is an expert. I have to admit one thing dorsetspleen is skilled is the art of obfuscation. In other words he will attempt to tie you up in knots and claim that his website is legitimate when in fact he is the worst type of pseudo intellectual. See what I did there ;-) tbpoole
  • Score: 1

12:12am Sun 17 Aug 14

dorsetspeed says...

tbpoole wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
mableone wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
Rants are usually irrational. There is nothing irrational about what I have stated. My agenda is to expose the failures in policing which might improve policing and make terrible events like this less frequent.
I think that you just like the sound of your own voice, you silly man.
Have you not thought that It could be, that you are the failure.
I'm happy to consider it, can you point to anything that suggests it?
I wouldn't bother trying mableone.

He may try and give the impression he is an expert. I have to admit one thing dorsetspleen is skilled is the art of obfuscation. In other words he will attempt to tie you up in knots and claim that his website is legitimate when in fact he is the worst type of pseudo intellectual.

See what I did there ;-)
tbpoole, I request again for the nth time, all I ask is for you to provide a single credible challenge to anything I have written.
[quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mableone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: Rants are usually irrational. There is nothing irrational about what I have stated. My agenda is to expose the failures in policing which might improve policing and make terrible events like this less frequent.[/p][/quote]I think that you just like the sound of your own voice, you silly man. Have you not thought that It could be, that you are the failure.[/p][/quote]I'm happy to consider it, can you point to anything that suggests it?[/p][/quote]I wouldn't bother trying mableone. He may try and give the impression he is an expert. I have to admit one thing dorsetspleen is skilled is the art of obfuscation. In other words he will attempt to tie you up in knots and claim that his website is legitimate when in fact he is the worst type of pseudo intellectual. See what I did there ;-)[/p][/quote]tbpoole, I request again for the nth time, all I ask is for you to provide a single credible challenge to anything I have written. dorsetspeed
  • Score: 1

10:42am Sun 17 Aug 14

bubbles20 says...

breamoreboy wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
tbpoole wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
"a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.
What an insensitive tw*t you are.
Wouldn't have been appropriate in an article reporting a death, but this is about the sentence.
Yep six and a half paltry years. Disgraceful, should have been at least double that. What actually happened, did the killer get put off by one of those naughty officers pointing their deadly gun at him? Jeesh, you and your obsession with your "crusade" make me puke, and I've got a fairly sound stomach. Any words of sympathy yet for the relatives? What, from Dead Stupid? Not a chance.
blimey what a nasty person you are.
Someone has lost there life, someone has lost a member/ loved one in their family and all you can do is complain about the police.
Lets hope this never happens to you or your family.
Do everyone a favour and keep your disgusting thoughts to yourself
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: "a number of witnesses had reported seeing the defendant driving his work Ford Transit van dangerously, with one even speaking to police before the crash took place." So why didn't the police get out there and take this driver off the road before he killed someone? Oh yes, we don't have proper traffic cops anymore, just jobsworths sitting in vans making money.[/p][/quote]What an insensitive tw*t you are.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't have been appropriate in an article reporting a death, but this is about the sentence.[/p][/quote]Yep six and a half paltry years. Disgraceful, should have been at least double that. What actually happened, did the killer get put off by one of those naughty officers pointing their deadly gun at him? Jeesh, you and your obsession with your "crusade" make me puke, and I've got a fairly sound stomach. Any words of sympathy yet for the relatives? What, from Dead Stupid? Not a chance.[/p][/quote]blimey what a nasty person you are. Someone has lost there life, someone has lost a member/ loved one in their family and all you can do is complain about the police. Lets hope this never happens to you or your family. Do everyone a favour and keep your disgusting thoughts to yourself bubbles20
  • Score: 7

3:12pm Sun 17 Aug 14

themummy says...

Sincere condolences to the family and friends of this poor man. Such a tragic thing to happen. I personally think quite a few of you above should be thoroughly ashamed at your sustained comments. This is not a platform for your own personal attack on anyone, whether you agree with their comment or not and it certainly is not the place for it either. Should have been left quiet and ignored for now!
Sincere condolences to the family and friends of this poor man. Such a tragic thing to happen. I personally think quite a few of you above should be thoroughly ashamed at your sustained comments. This is not a platform for your own personal attack on anyone, whether you agree with their comment or not and it certainly is not the place for it either. Should have been left quiet and ignored for now! themummy
  • Score: 3

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