It could open the floodgates: Late night bar would "severely compromise" character of Westbourne

Eau de Vie bar in Westbourne will be taken over and could stay open as late as 1:30am

Eau de Vie bar in Westbourne will be taken over and could stay open as late as 1:30am

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ALLOWING a new Westbourne restaurant and bar to stay open late could “open the floodgates” to more requests, it has been claimed.

Camden Bar and Kitchen, which already has a premises at Poole’s Ashley Cross and is now set to replace Eau de Vie in Westbourne, originally wanted to stay open until 2am on Friday and Saturday.

Following discussions with the police, operators agreed to reduce this to 1.30am. But this has still sparked objections from Westbourne councillors John Beesley and Barry Goldbart.

The application will be considered by Bournemouth’s licensing committee tomorrow.

Cllr Goldbart, inset, said: “Any move to allow this application could open the floodgates to many more such requests in this area of Westbourne and that would not be a desirable outcome.

“Westbourne is a part of Bournemouth that has a close mix of residential properties, retail shops and restaurants. Any extension of late night activity could only result in unacceptable disturbance to residents in the area.”

And Cllr Beesley’s objection states: “The character and enjoyment of residential amenity in the area would be severely compromised as a result and the later hours would be out of character with the locality and impossible to control satisfactorily.”

Applicant Lauren Curley stressed they were a local, family-run and independent company and wanted to be a positive influence in Westbourne.

She said: “We have been looking for a second venue for some time and we feel that Westbourne is the perfect area for us.

“During our three years trading in Poole we have established ourselves as a responsible operator.

“We achieved this by being pro-active in our community and co-operating closely with local authorities, including our ongoing chair at the local Pubwatch.”

She added they had a strict code of conduct to ensure alcohol was sold responsibly and said Camden was intended to be a “chilled out and pleasant drinking environment that is very different to many venues in Bournemouth.”

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7:06am Wed 13 Aug 14

wool525 says...

there must be enough drunks on our streets now
there must be enough drunks on our streets now wool525
  • Score: 27

7:18am Wed 13 Aug 14

Talkingheadera says...

Let them have it,monitor it and take it away if it's a problem. Simple. Too much emphasis on drunks nowadays when the majority use places like this to socialise,chill out and de-stress after a hard day at work. It's not all about drunks!
Let them have it,monitor it and take it away if it's a problem. Simple. Too much emphasis on drunks nowadays when the majority use places like this to socialise,chill out and de-stress after a hard day at work. It's not all about drunks! Talkingheadera
  • Score: 44

7:18am Wed 13 Aug 14

S,Bowes says...

Would it make westbourne a more desirable place to live shop or visit,who will benefit.?
Would it make westbourne a more desirable place to live shop or visit,who will benefit.? S,Bowes
  • Score: 17

7:23am Wed 13 Aug 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

Banksters and the pub economy is all the country has now!
Banksters and the pub economy is all the country has now! The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 17

7:25am Wed 13 Aug 14

tricky1007 says...

Why does everywhere feel the need to open so late? Its a restaurant, surely most people have eaten by 10pm so a midnight license should be plenty.
Why does everywhere feel the need to open so late? Its a restaurant, surely most people have eaten by 10pm so a midnight license should be plenty. tricky1007
  • Score: 15

7:30am Wed 13 Aug 14

Lord Spring says...

The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Banksters and the pub economy is all the country has now!
You missed out tattoo parlours .
[quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: Banksters and the pub economy is all the country has now![/p][/quote]You missed out tattoo parlours . Lord Spring
  • Score: 26

7:36am Wed 13 Aug 14

boardsandphotos says...

I really don't think there are that many places in Westbourne that are set up for being open until 2am, I can't see The Porterhouse, The Westbourne or The Libertine going for it, I doubt The Rock or La Fratelli di Bufala would be interested either so that's just Camden and Circo. Out of the two Camden is the only one doing live music, as far as I'm aware Circo doesn't and don't think they would be too busy after midnight without it.

Floodgates? I really don't think so.

I will be sad to see EdV go, loved it in there and good luck to the staff in their next adventure, I enjoy Camden in Ashley Cross so will look forward to see if they can replicate the atmosphere in Westbourne, 2am or no 2am licence.
I really don't think there are that many places in Westbourne that are set up for being open until 2am, I can't see The Porterhouse, The Westbourne or The Libertine going for it, I doubt The Rock or La Fratelli di Bufala would be interested either so that's just Camden and Circo. Out of the two Camden is the only one doing live music, as far as I'm aware Circo doesn't and don't think they would be too busy after midnight without it. Floodgates? I really don't think so. I will be sad to see EdV go, loved it in there and good luck to the staff in their next adventure, I enjoy Camden in Ashley Cross so will look forward to see if they can replicate the atmosphere in Westbourne, 2am or no 2am licence. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 13

7:54am Wed 13 Aug 14

BIGTONE says...

Cllr Goldbart, inset, said:
“Westbourne is a part of Bournemouth that has a close mix of residential properties, retail shops and restaurants........


And pray tell us where this is not the case?
The Councils remit for development has been the above criteria for years.

No argument.
Cllr Goldbart, inset, said: “Westbourne is a part of Bournemouth that has a close mix of residential properties, retail shops and restaurants........ And pray tell us where this is not the case? The Councils remit for development has been the above criteria for years. No argument. BIGTONE
  • Score: 16

8:09am Wed 13 Aug 14

adspacebroker says...

Not required, good night!
Not required, good night! adspacebroker
  • Score: 0

8:56am Wed 13 Aug 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

Lord Spring wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Banksters and the pub economy is all the country has now!
You missed out tattoo parlours .
It all adds up to what you might call the 'spiv economy'.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: Banksters and the pub economy is all the country has now![/p][/quote]You missed out tattoo parlours .[/p][/quote]It all adds up to what you might call the 'spiv economy'. The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 8

8:56am Wed 13 Aug 14

politicaltrainspotter says...

A new meaning to the word 'Nimby.' Not In Mr Beesley Yard.' !
A new meaning to the word 'Nimby.' Not In Mr Beesley Yard.' ! politicaltrainspotter
  • Score: 17

8:57am Wed 13 Aug 14

poolepoole says...

"She added they had a strict code of conduct to ensure alcohol was sold responsibly" .... Then why do they still serve / let people be in their premises when they have obviously had too much to do drink?
"She added they had a strict code of conduct to ensure alcohol was sold responsibly" .... Then why do they still serve / let people be in their premises when they have obviously had too much to do drink? poolepoole
  • Score: 4

9:24am Wed 13 Aug 14

city guy says...

you only have to look at ashley cross to see why there are concerns, i used to live in that area , it was so pleasant but now when i drive through there , , so many bars ,crowds etc , police always on patrol , vans etc , a nice area changed forever
you only have to look at ashley cross to see why there are concerns, i used to live in that area , it was so pleasant but now when i drive through there , , so many bars ,crowds etc , police always on patrol , vans etc , a nice area changed forever city guy
  • Score: 20

10:05am Wed 13 Aug 14

Old Colonial says...

"And Cllr Beesley’s objection states: “The character and enjoyment of residential amenity in the area would be severely compromised as a result and the later hours would be out of character with the locality and impossible to control satisfactorily.”

So there you have it. For once, Mr Beesley's personal and honest viewpoint on the town. The rest of Bournemouth can go to hell in a dustcart but...not in my backyard.
"And Cllr Beesley’s objection states: “The character and enjoyment of residential amenity in the area would be severely compromised as a result and the later hours would be out of character with the locality and impossible to control satisfactorily.” So there you have it. For once, Mr Beesley's personal and honest viewpoint on the town. The rest of Bournemouth can go to hell in a dustcart but...not in my backyard. Old Colonial
  • Score: 4

10:11am Wed 13 Aug 14

billy bumble says...

Old Colonial wrote:
"And Cllr Beesley’s objection states: “The character and enjoyment of residential amenity in the area would be severely compromised as a result and the later hours would be out of character with the locality and impossible to control satisfactorily.”

So there you have it. For once, Mr Beesley's personal and honest viewpoint on the town. The rest of Bournemouth can go to hell in a dustcart but...not in my backyard.
To be fair Westbourne is one of the last ( if not the last ) areas that retain the old Bournemouth "genteel" atmosphere

Why spoil it?
[quote][p][bold]Old Colonial[/bold] wrote: "And Cllr Beesley’s objection states: “The character and enjoyment of residential amenity in the area would be severely compromised as a result and the later hours would be out of character with the locality and impossible to control satisfactorily.” So there you have it. For once, Mr Beesley's personal and honest viewpoint on the town. The rest of Bournemouth can go to hell in a dustcart but...not in my backyard.[/p][/quote]To be fair Westbourne is one of the last ( if not the last ) areas that retain the old Bournemouth "genteel" atmosphere Why spoil it? billy bumble
  • Score: 27

10:17am Wed 13 Aug 14

UrbanCrab says...

politicaltrainspotte
r
wrote:
A new meaning to the word 'Nimby.' Not In Mr Beesley Yard.' !
That's about right. I doubt the licensing board will go against Mr Beesley. What a load of nonsense about floodgates, why do people in Westbourne have to go out of the area for a late drink on a weekend?
[quote][p][bold]politicaltrainspotte r[/bold] wrote: A new meaning to the word 'Nimby.' Not In Mr Beesley Yard.' ![/p][/quote]That's about right. I doubt the licensing board will go against Mr Beesley. What a load of nonsense about floodgates, why do people in Westbourne have to go out of the area for a late drink on a weekend? UrbanCrab
  • Score: 7

10:19am Wed 13 Aug 14

Branksome snail says...

I live in Westbourne and almost everyone i talk to doesn't want this place to stay open this late. We all loved Eau de Vie, but even if they had planned late opening there would still have been the same objections, and if i knew how to object to this (if there were time to) I still would. Westbourne simply doesnt need late opening and people leaving the pubs make enough noise as it is. We do use them all, but 2am is too late.
The new Doggy Day Care bar also had a small band on the other weekend, and the biggest noise in the whole area came from their windows wide open and some guy singing Oasis songs. You could even hear this INSIDE The Libertine. I also mention this because both The Libertine and Eau De Vie have music, but they are selected and at such a volume that it works. 2am opening, and new establishments banging out bl**dy Oasis tribute type bands etc do not work for the area at all.
I live in Westbourne and almost everyone i talk to doesn't want this place to stay open this late. We all loved Eau de Vie, but even if they had planned late opening there would still have been the same objections, and if i knew how to object to this (if there were time to) I still would. Westbourne simply doesnt need late opening and people leaving the pubs make enough noise as it is. We do use them all, but 2am is too late. The new Doggy Day Care bar also had a small band on the other weekend, and the biggest noise in the whole area came from their windows wide open and some guy singing Oasis songs. You could even hear this INSIDE The Libertine. I also mention this because both The Libertine and Eau De Vie have music, but they are selected and at such a volume that it works. 2am opening, and new establishments banging out bl**dy Oasis tribute type bands etc do not work for the area at all. Branksome snail
  • Score: 23

10:22am Wed 13 Aug 14

Teddy 1 says...

I welcome this. Anything to liven up the place. Bring it on & good luck to these entrepreneurs. Where is the sense of adventure.

Cllr beasley, can we find somewhere locally in branksome park for a transit site?
I welcome this. Anything to liven up the place. Bring it on & good luck to these entrepreneurs. Where is the sense of adventure. Cllr beasley, can we find somewhere locally in branksome park for a transit site? Teddy 1
  • Score: -10

10:26am Wed 13 Aug 14

Branksome snail says...

Id also suggest that if they are new operators of this establishment in this location, why should a late licence even be considered immediately at the start of their tenure.
Id also suggest that if they are new operators of this establishment in this location, why should a late licence even be considered immediately at the start of their tenure. Branksome snail
  • Score: 4

10:35am Wed 13 Aug 14

bbird says...

Nothing to be with Nimbyism, more about choice. i choose to visit Westbourne as I feel comfortable and safe and it's my sort of place'. If I wanted loud music, rowdies, drugs I would go to another location.
Nothing to be with Nimbyism, more about choice. i choose to visit Westbourne as I feel comfortable and safe and it's my sort of place'. If I wanted loud music, rowdies, drugs I would go to another location. bbird
  • Score: 8

10:39am Wed 13 Aug 14

bbird says...

Nothing to be with Nimbyism, more about choice. i choose to visit Westbourne as I feel comfortable and safe and it's my sort of place'. If (?) I wanted loud music, rowdies, drugs I would go to another location. We are surely all entitled to enjoy our environment, and yes I like peace and quiet. (And noise control is another issue, all establishments including hotels should only be given licences if their musical equipment has a noise limiter, unfortunately not the case here)
Nothing to be with Nimbyism, more about choice. i choose to visit Westbourne as I feel comfortable and safe and it's my sort of place'. If (?) I wanted loud music, rowdies, drugs I would go to another location. We are surely all entitled to enjoy our environment, and yes I like peace and quiet. (And noise control is another issue, all establishments including hotels should only be given licences if their musical equipment has a noise limiter, unfortunately not the case here) bbird
  • Score: 10

10:48am Wed 13 Aug 14

Boscomite says...

And yet he's still quite happy, for everyone to flood into Boscombe, when they want to get drunk into the eaarly hours. I suppose his neighbours don't give him a hard time about that, and it won't affect his house price.
And yet he's still quite happy, for everyone to flood into Boscombe, when they want to get drunk into the eaarly hours. I suppose his neighbours don't give him a hard time about that, and it won't affect his house price. Boscomite
  • Score: 2

10:57am Wed 13 Aug 14

jlawford79 says...

Yeah, why spoil the genteel atmosphere of Westbourne by opening a place (pretty much identical to what's there now), for an extra five whole hours a week.

That is not on, that's really not on at all. I'm writing in to complain!
Yeah, why spoil the genteel atmosphere of Westbourne by opening a place (pretty much identical to what's there now), for an extra five whole hours a week. That is not on, that's really not on at all. I'm writing in to complain! jlawford79
  • Score: 3

10:58am Wed 13 Aug 14

jlawford79 says...

tricky1007 wrote:
Why does everywhere feel the need to open so late? Its a restaurant, surely most people have eaten by 10pm so a midnight license should be plenty.
Because it is not the 1920's any more.
[quote][p][bold]tricky1007[/bold] wrote: Why does everywhere feel the need to open so late? Its a restaurant, surely most people have eaten by 10pm so a midnight license should be plenty.[/p][/quote]Because it is not the 1920's any more. jlawford79
  • Score: 7

11:05am Wed 13 Aug 14

Peroni says...

city guy wrote:
you only have to look at ashley cross to see why there are concerns, i used to live in that area , it was so pleasant but now when i drive through there , , so many bars ,crowds etc , police always on patrol , vans etc , a nice area changed forever
Yes it has changed for the better !
I used to live there 30 years ago,and yes it was rough then !
Police on patrol......... Wish they were in my area,don't see them .
So many bars and crowds ......yes it's called being alive ! Lol
[quote][p][bold]city guy[/bold] wrote: you only have to look at ashley cross to see why there are concerns, i used to live in that area , it was so pleasant but now when i drive through there , , so many bars ,crowds etc , police always on patrol , vans etc , a nice area changed forever[/p][/quote]Yes it has changed for the better ! I used to live there 30 years ago,and yes it was rough then ! Police on patrol......... Wish they were in my area,don't see them . So many bars and crowds ......yes it's called being alive ! Lol Peroni
  • Score: 2

11:20am Wed 13 Aug 14

BmthNewshound says...

Beesley doesn't want to upset the blue rinse brigade who keep him in power so is likely to put pressure on the licensing board. His objection is a quote straight out of the Councils planning policy guidelines.
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There are a lot of younger people now living in Westbourne and local amenities should reflect this. Camden Bar & Kitchen isn't going to attract the rowdy element who frequent the town centre bars. Not everyone who lives in Westbourne wants to be safely tucked up in bed by 10pm with a mug of cocoa and the latest edition of The Peoples Friend.
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Branksome Snail mentions the Dog House. The owners have only applied for planning permission for a A1 shop and sui generis (grooming parlour) when in fact the so called shop should in fact A3 or A4 (restaurant and licensed premises). But despite the fact that the premises do not have the correct planning permissions to operate as a bar the Council has granted them an alcohol licence. Just shows the lack of consistency and how the Council turns a blind eye when it suits them.
Beesley doesn't want to upset the blue rinse brigade who keep him in power so is likely to put pressure on the licensing board. His objection is a quote straight out of the Councils planning policy guidelines. . There are a lot of younger people now living in Westbourne and local amenities should reflect this. Camden Bar & Kitchen isn't going to attract the rowdy element who frequent the town centre bars. Not everyone who lives in Westbourne wants to be safely tucked up in bed by 10pm with a mug of cocoa and the latest edition of The Peoples Friend. . Branksome Snail mentions the Dog House. The owners have only applied for planning permission for a A1 shop and sui generis (grooming parlour) when in fact the so called shop should in fact A3 or A4 (restaurant and licensed premises). But despite the fact that the premises do not have the correct planning permissions to operate as a bar the Council has granted them an alcohol licence. Just shows the lack of consistency and how the Council turns a blind eye when it suits them. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 23

11:22am Wed 13 Aug 14

MrPitiful says...

adspacebroker wrote:
Not required, good night!
Speak for yurself.

Much required - will liven up the area and drag it into the 21st century. Camden bar in Ashley Cross seems well managed and a great place to go - usually for a quiet drink if you want it, regardless of the time of day or night.

They don't do loud tribute bands etc.

This will go down very well for those of us who live this side of town who work sometimes late and could do with a drink at such a time without having to go into the town centre or all the way out to Ashley Cross etc.

Good Morning.
[quote][p][bold]adspacebroker[/bold] wrote: Not required, good night![/p][/quote]Speak for yurself. Much required - will liven up the area and drag it into the 21st century. Camden bar in Ashley Cross seems well managed and a great place to go - usually for a quiet drink if you want it, regardless of the time of day or night. They don't do loud tribute bands etc. This will go down very well for those of us who live this side of town who work sometimes late and could do with a drink at such a time without having to go into the town centre or all the way out to Ashley Cross etc. Good Morning. MrPitiful
  • Score: 2

11:24am Wed 13 Aug 14

Branksome snail says...

Peroni wrote:
city guy wrote:
you only have to look at ashley cross to see why there are concerns, i used to live in that area , it was so pleasant but now when i drive through there , , so many bars ,crowds etc , police always on patrol , vans etc , a nice area changed forever
Yes it has changed for the better !
I used to live there 30 years ago,and yes it was rough then !
Police on patrol......... Wish they were in my area,don't see them .
So many bars and crowds ......yes it's called being alive ! Lol
So more bars + more opening hours + more crowds for longer is better? Does quality not have any relevance?
Whilst your at it, why not bulldoze through a number of buildings and stick up a Yates's. You could stuff them in then.
[quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]city guy[/bold] wrote: you only have to look at ashley cross to see why there are concerns, i used to live in that area , it was so pleasant but now when i drive through there , , so many bars ,crowds etc , police always on patrol , vans etc , a nice area changed forever[/p][/quote]Yes it has changed for the better ! I used to live there 30 years ago,and yes it was rough then ! Police on patrol......... Wish they were in my area,don't see them . So many bars and crowds ......yes it's called being alive ! Lol[/p][/quote]So more bars + more opening hours + more crowds for longer is better? Does quality not have any relevance? Whilst your at it, why not bulldoze through a number of buildings and stick up a Yates's. You could stuff them in then. Branksome snail
  • Score: 8

11:26am Wed 13 Aug 14

Tig says...

city guy wrote:
you only have to look at ashley cross to see why there are concerns, i used to live in that area , it was so pleasant but now when i drive through there , , so many bars ,crowds etc , police always on patrol , vans etc , a nice area changed forever
Totally agree and it must be hell if you actually live there.... very noisy, not to mention the rubbish that is left there, particularly after weekend nights out.
[quote][p][bold]city guy[/bold] wrote: you only have to look at ashley cross to see why there are concerns, i used to live in that area , it was so pleasant but now when i drive through there , , so many bars ,crowds etc , police always on patrol , vans etc , a nice area changed forever[/p][/quote]Totally agree and it must be hell if you actually live there.... very noisy, not to mention the rubbish that is left there, particularly after weekend nights out. Tig
  • Score: 5

11:30am Wed 13 Aug 14

Branksome snail says...

MrPitiful wrote:
adspacebroker wrote:
Not required, good night!
Speak for yurself.

Much required - will liven up the area and drag it into the 21st century. Camden bar in Ashley Cross seems well managed and a great place to go - usually for a quiet drink if you want it, regardless of the time of day or night.

They don't do loud tribute bands etc.

This will go down very well for those of us who live this side of town who work sometimes late and could do with a drink at such a time without having to go into the town centre or all the way out to Ashley Cross etc.

Good Morning.
I wasnt suggesting Camden do tribute bands of course. I just mentioned Doggy Day cares band/act
[quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adspacebroker[/bold] wrote: Not required, good night![/p][/quote]Speak for yurself. Much required - will liven up the area and drag it into the 21st century. Camden bar in Ashley Cross seems well managed and a great place to go - usually for a quiet drink if you want it, regardless of the time of day or night. They don't do loud tribute bands etc. This will go down very well for those of us who live this side of town who work sometimes late and could do with a drink at such a time without having to go into the town centre or all the way out to Ashley Cross etc. Good Morning.[/p][/quote]I wasnt suggesting Camden do tribute bands of course. I just mentioned Doggy Day cares band/act Branksome snail
  • Score: 0

11:36am Wed 13 Aug 14

DorsetBorn79 says...

I have driven past the Camden bar in Ashley Cross as closing time on many occasions, it looks like any other Bournemouth bar with drunks spilling out on to the road with no care to those around them or themselves....

This can only be a bad idea for Westbourne due to the close proximity of residential properties.

I used to live in Westbourne and closing time for the pubs was bad enough.
I have driven past the Camden bar in Ashley Cross as closing time on many occasions, it looks like any other Bournemouth bar with drunks spilling out on to the road with no care to those around them or themselves.... This can only be a bad idea for Westbourne due to the close proximity of residential properties. I used to live in Westbourne and closing time for the pubs was bad enough. DorsetBorn79
  • Score: 7

11:48am Wed 13 Aug 14

billy bumble says...

Anyone struck by the fact that this , the so called cafe culture , is ,together with Iraq , another Blair legacy?
Anyone struck by the fact that this , the so called cafe culture , is ,together with Iraq , another Blair legacy? billy bumble
  • Score: -4

12:08pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Peroni says...

Branksome snail wrote:
Peroni wrote:
city guy wrote:
you only have to look at ashley cross to see why there are concerns, i used to live in that area , it was so pleasant but now when i drive through there , , so many bars ,crowds etc , police always on patrol , vans etc , a nice area changed forever
Yes it has changed for the better !
I used to live there 30 years ago,and yes it was rough then !
Police on patrol......... Wish they were in my area,don't see them .
So many bars and crowds ......yes it's called being alive ! Lol
So more bars + more opening hours + more crowds for longer is better? Does quality not have any relevance?
Whilst your at it, why not bulldoze through a number of buildings and stick up a Yates's. You could stuff them in then.
Quality ?
Central now the OX ....hmmmm yes much better
Railway ........now the Cow ...... Did you go in these places years ago.
Very much for the better now.
Patricks was ok when it opened ,but they let the chavs in .
On a whole it's a lot better.
Westbourne is a lot better also ,nice place to go and have a drink and a meal, if you want a late one why not !
It's not like Bournemouth **** centre
[quote][p][bold]Branksome snail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]city guy[/bold] wrote: you only have to look at ashley cross to see why there are concerns, i used to live in that area , it was so pleasant but now when i drive through there , , so many bars ,crowds etc , police always on patrol , vans etc , a nice area changed forever[/p][/quote]Yes it has changed for the better ! I used to live there 30 years ago,and yes it was rough then ! Police on patrol......... Wish they were in my area,don't see them . So many bars and crowds ......yes it's called being alive ! Lol[/p][/quote]So more bars + more opening hours + more crowds for longer is better? Does quality not have any relevance? Whilst your at it, why not bulldoze through a number of buildings and stick up a Yates's. You could stuff them in then.[/p][/quote]Quality ? Central now the OX ....hmmmm yes much better Railway ........now the Cow ...... Did you go in these places years ago. Very much for the better now. Patricks was ok when it opened ,but they let the chavs in . On a whole it's a lot better. Westbourne is a lot better also ,nice place to go and have a drink and a meal, if you want a late one why not ! It's not like Bournemouth **** centre Peroni
  • Score: 2

12:47pm Wed 13 Aug 14

apm1954 says...

Yawn go back to sleep bournemouth.
Yawn go back to sleep bournemouth. apm1954
  • Score: -3

12:56pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Branksome snail says...

Peroni wrote:
Branksome snail wrote:
Peroni wrote:
city guy wrote:
you only have to look at ashley cross to see why there are concerns, i used to live in that area , it was so pleasant but now when i drive through there , , so many bars ,crowds etc , police always on patrol , vans etc , a nice area changed forever
Yes it has changed for the better !
I used to live there 30 years ago,and yes it was rough then !
Police on patrol......... Wish they were in my area,don't see them .
So many bars and crowds ......yes it's called being alive ! Lol
So more bars + more opening hours + more crowds for longer is better? Does quality not have any relevance?
Whilst your at it, why not bulldoze through a number of buildings and stick up a Yates's. You could stuff them in then.
Quality ?
Central now the OX ....hmmmm yes much better
Railway ........now the Cow ...... Did you go in these places years ago.
Very much for the better now.
Patricks was ok when it opened ,but they let the chavs in .
On a whole it's a lot better.
Westbourne is a lot better also ,nice place to go and have a drink and a meal, if you want a late one why not !
It's not like Bournemouth **** centre
Yes both are better than Bournemouth and Ashley Cross is heaps better than years ago, but I wouldn't wish 2am on them either. People making noise going home between 1 and 2 am is bad enough but between 2 and 3 is much worse. I just think for the selfishness of one establishment applying for these hours is to the detriment of absolutely everyone else within ear shot.
[quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Branksome snail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]city guy[/bold] wrote: you only have to look at ashley cross to see why there are concerns, i used to live in that area , it was so pleasant but now when i drive through there , , so many bars ,crowds etc , police always on patrol , vans etc , a nice area changed forever[/p][/quote]Yes it has changed for the better ! I used to live there 30 years ago,and yes it was rough then ! Police on patrol......... Wish they were in my area,don't see them . So many bars and crowds ......yes it's called being alive ! Lol[/p][/quote]So more bars + more opening hours + more crowds for longer is better? Does quality not have any relevance? Whilst your at it, why not bulldoze through a number of buildings and stick up a Yates's. You could stuff them in then.[/p][/quote]Quality ? Central now the OX ....hmmmm yes much better Railway ........now the Cow ...... Did you go in these places years ago. Very much for the better now. Patricks was ok when it opened ,but they let the chavs in . On a whole it's a lot better. Westbourne is a lot better also ,nice place to go and have a drink and a meal, if you want a late one why not ! It's not like Bournemouth **** centre[/p][/quote]Yes both are better than Bournemouth and Ashley Cross is heaps better than years ago, but I wouldn't wish 2am on them either. People making noise going home between 1 and 2 am is bad enough but between 2 and 3 is much worse. I just think for the selfishness of one establishment applying for these hours is to the detriment of absolutely everyone else within ear shot. Branksome snail
  • Score: 7

1:53pm Wed 13 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

Once they have had a few drinks on the premises, it is what they do once they have left said premises - when it is no longer the responsibility of the premises, that a lot of people will be worried about. People causing havoc several streets away after a few bevvies, people don't want their sleep ruined!!
Once they have had a few drinks on the premises, it is what they do once they have left said premises - when it is no longer the responsibility of the premises, that a lot of people will be worried about. People causing havoc several streets away after a few bevvies, people don't want their sleep ruined!! FerryFan
  • Score: 13

2:34pm Wed 13 Aug 14

twynhamob says...

Let them open 24 hours, and then have the other establishments follow suit. If this were to happen then all the OAP's would leave, and we could drive around Westbourne at a reasonable speed as opposed to the 5mph these local oldsters do to hold up everyone. And, if I'm not mistaken, if Westbourne is so genteel how come a street-seller got murdered here?
Let them open 24 hours, and then have the other establishments follow suit. If this were to happen then all the OAP's would leave, and we could drive around Westbourne at a reasonable speed as opposed to the 5mph these local oldsters do to hold up everyone. And, if I'm not mistaken, if Westbourne is so genteel how come a street-seller got murdered here? twynhamob
  • Score: -11

3:26pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Adrian XX says...

I would not object to a late alcohol license at all as long as the music is OFF at 11pm. Most of the trouble from these places is that they disturb the neighbours due to the high music volume. Businesses also know that when the music is loud people drink more and therefore they make more profit. It is in their interests to crank the volume up, but in the end it causes more drunkenness and more disturbance.
I would not object to a late alcohol license at all as long as the music is OFF at 11pm. Most of the trouble from these places is that they disturb the neighbours due to the high music volume. Businesses also know that when the music is loud people drink more and therefore they make more profit. It is in their interests to crank the volume up, but in the end it causes more drunkenness and more disturbance. Adrian XX
  • Score: 6

4:30pm Wed 13 Aug 14

DorsetBorn79 says...

It's not going to work:

1. The council will never pay for the additional street wash downs and cleaning up on a Saturday and Sunday morning.

2. The police do not have the resources to cover additional area and demand.

3. The ambulance service also do not have sufficient recourses to cover a new area and increased demand.

4. It will disturb all of the homeless people who sleep in the shop fronts and doorways in Westbourne.

As a side note,
The old people won't care as they won't be able to hear the music! it will only disturb those who have to get up and go to work or who have kids trying to sleep.

Also, once a few shop fronts have been smashed and kicked in by the drunks (just like in Ashley Cross) it will soon have its late licence removed.
It's not going to work: 1. The council will never pay for the additional street wash downs and cleaning up on a Saturday and Sunday morning. 2. The police do not have the resources to cover additional area and demand. 3. The ambulance service also do not have sufficient recourses to cover a new area and increased demand. 4. It will disturb all of the homeless people who sleep in the shop fronts and doorways in Westbourne. As a side note, The old people won't care as they won't be able to hear the music! it will only disturb those who have to get up and go to work or who have kids trying to sleep. Also, once a few shop fronts have been smashed and kicked in by the drunks (just like in Ashley Cross) it will soon have its late licence removed. DorsetBorn79
  • Score: 8

4:35pm Wed 13 Aug 14

bex1984 says...

I hope this doesnt go through. I live in westbourne in the highstreet I could hear eau du vie music and when it was on sunday to thursday night I couldnt sleep for work the next morning. It was so loud it echoed over the roof tops. I certainly dont want to be kept awake on weekends until 2am with noise and people coming out drunk talking loudly in streets. Westbourne will turn into ashley cross and it shouldnt....its a nice area as it is. Residents like myself live their because its quieter than most areas and more desirable.
I hope this doesnt go through. I live in westbourne in the highstreet I could hear eau du vie music and when it was on sunday to thursday night I couldnt sleep for work the next morning. It was so loud it echoed over the roof tops. I certainly dont want to be kept awake on weekends until 2am with noise and people coming out drunk talking loudly in streets. Westbourne will turn into ashley cross and it shouldnt....its a nice area as it is. Residents like myself live their because its quieter than most areas and more desirable. bex1984
  • Score: 12

5:40pm Wed 13 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

twynhamob wrote:
Let them open 24 hours, and then have the other establishments follow suit. If this were to happen then all the OAP's would leave, and we could drive around Westbourne at a reasonable speed as opposed to the 5mph these local oldsters do to hold up everyone. And, if I'm not mistaken, if Westbourne is so genteel how come a street-seller got murdered here?
Sorry, thought your username was Twynhamknob, then put my glasses on!!
[quote][p][bold]twynhamob[/bold] wrote: Let them open 24 hours, and then have the other establishments follow suit. If this were to happen then all the OAP's would leave, and we could drive around Westbourne at a reasonable speed as opposed to the 5mph these local oldsters do to hold up everyone. And, if I'm not mistaken, if Westbourne is so genteel how come a street-seller got murdered here?[/p][/quote]Sorry, thought your username was Twynhamknob, then put my glasses on!! FerryFan
  • Score: 5

9:49pm Wed 13 Aug 14

MrPitiful says...

Apart from LV staff on their lunchbreak, do people actually still go shopping in Westbourne?

The last time I went there for any length of time there was next to no on street parking and the shops consisted of a few expensive boutiques which looked like they hadn't changed their window display since 1983, a load of crusty old charity shops, a couple of dodgy looking hairdressing places and a few estate agents.

Let's drag it into the 21st century. It's alreadyjust about got a Tesco Express. Now let's hope Camden Bar gets its licence and Westbourne also gets Wetherspoons, a couple of proper clothes shops, a decent supermarket (instead of that over priced M&S express thing) and another good takeaway.

The reason being, all the local 90 year olds who hang around the Conservative Club and take 3/4 of an hour to reverse their Micra into a space on the main street will soon be in their boxes and this part of town can then cater for the next generation.
Apart from LV staff on their lunchbreak, do people actually still go shopping in Westbourne? The last time I went there for any length of time there was next to no on street parking and the shops consisted of a few expensive boutiques which looked like they hadn't changed their window display since 1983, a load of crusty old charity shops, a couple of dodgy looking hairdressing places and a few estate agents. Let's drag it into the 21st century. It's alreadyjust about got a Tesco Express. Now let's hope Camden Bar gets its licence and Westbourne also gets Wetherspoons, a couple of proper clothes shops, a decent supermarket (instead of that over priced M&S express thing) and another good takeaway. The reason being, all the local 90 year olds who hang around the Conservative Club and take 3/4 of an hour to reverse their Micra into a space on the main street will soon be in their boxes and this part of town can then cater for the next generation. MrPitiful
  • Score: -5

10:00pm Wed 13 Aug 14

pete woodley says...

MrPitiful wrote:
Apart from LV staff on their lunchbreak, do people actually still go shopping in Westbourne?

The last time I went there for any length of time there was next to no on street parking and the shops consisted of a few expensive boutiques which looked like they hadn't changed their window display since 1983, a load of crusty old charity shops, a couple of dodgy looking hairdressing places and a few estate agents.

Let's drag it into the 21st century. It's alreadyjust about got a Tesco Express. Now let's hope Camden Bar gets its licence and Westbourne also gets Wetherspoons, a couple of proper clothes shops, a decent supermarket (instead of that over priced M&S express thing) and another good takeaway.

The reason being, all the local 90 year olds who hang around the Conservative Club and take 3/4 of an hour to reverse their Micra into a space on the main street will soon be in their boxes and this part of town can then cater for the next generation.
Your disrespect for the elderly,clearly shows the type of person not needed in ANY shopping area.A right anonymous bully.
[quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: Apart from LV staff on their lunchbreak, do people actually still go shopping in Westbourne? The last time I went there for any length of time there was next to no on street parking and the shops consisted of a few expensive boutiques which looked like they hadn't changed their window display since 1983, a load of crusty old charity shops, a couple of dodgy looking hairdressing places and a few estate agents. Let's drag it into the 21st century. It's alreadyjust about got a Tesco Express. Now let's hope Camden Bar gets its licence and Westbourne also gets Wetherspoons, a couple of proper clothes shops, a decent supermarket (instead of that over priced M&S express thing) and another good takeaway. The reason being, all the local 90 year olds who hang around the Conservative Club and take 3/4 of an hour to reverse their Micra into a space on the main street will soon be in their boxes and this part of town can then cater for the next generation.[/p][/quote]Your disrespect for the elderly,clearly shows the type of person not needed in ANY shopping area.A right anonymous bully. pete woodley
  • Score: 7

11:13pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Yankee1 says...

Would it be any different to coddling a bunch of travelers?

At least the bar pays taxes.

Choose your battles wisely, Council. People are becoming short tempered.
Would it be any different to coddling a bunch of travelers? At least the bar pays taxes. Choose your battles wisely, Council. People are becoming short tempered. Yankee1
  • Score: 1

2:31am Thu 14 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

The applicant isn't quite up to what is needed.

Simply tell the council that you will be including a cinema, a couple of chain restaurants and our old favourites, a climbing wall and a surf machine.

Explain that you will also fund it all by building (cramming in) as many appartments as possible and the council will not only vote it through, but provide a councillor to have a photo taken of them grinning inanely at the camera saying that it will regenerate Westbourne.
The applicant isn't quite up to what is needed. Simply tell the council that you will be including a cinema, a couple of chain restaurants and our old favourites, a climbing wall and a surf machine. Explain that you will also fund it all by building (cramming in) as many appartments as possible and the council will not only vote it through, but provide a councillor to have a photo taken of them grinning inanely at the camera saying that it will regenerate Westbourne. Bob49
  • Score: 3

2:56am Thu 14 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

Adrian XX wrote:
I would not object to a late alcohol license at all as long as the music is OFF at 11pm. Most of the trouble from these places is that they disturb the neighbours due to the high music volume. Businesses also know that when the music is loud people drink more and therefore they make more profit. It is in their interests to crank the volume up, but in the end it causes more drunkenness and more disturbance.
I live up the road from Hamptons/Halo and you can hear their music very clearly, the strong bass carries from both. It doesn't keep me up or wake me in the first place, but if I happen to be up anyway, then I can hear it. I live in the flats in Terrace Road.
[quote][p][bold]Adrian XX[/bold] wrote: I would not object to a late alcohol license at all as long as the music is OFF at 11pm. Most of the trouble from these places is that they disturb the neighbours due to the high music volume. Businesses also know that when the music is loud people drink more and therefore they make more profit. It is in their interests to crank the volume up, but in the end it causes more drunkenness and more disturbance.[/p][/quote]I live up the road from Hamptons/Halo and you can hear their music very clearly, the strong bass carries from both. It doesn't keep me up or wake me in the first place, but if I happen to be up anyway, then I can hear it. I live in the flats in Terrace Road. FerryFan
  • Score: -2

8:18am Thu 14 Aug 14

billy bumble says...

MrPitiful wrote:
Apart from LV staff on their lunchbreak, do people actually still go shopping in Westbourne?

The last time I went there for any length of time there was next to no on street parking and the shops consisted of a few expensive boutiques which looked like they hadn't changed their window display since 1983, a load of crusty old charity shops, a couple of dodgy looking hairdressing places and a few estate agents.

Let's drag it into the 21st century. It's alreadyjust about got a Tesco Express. Now let's hope Camden Bar gets its licence and Westbourne also gets Wetherspoons, a couple of proper clothes shops, a decent supermarket (instead of that over priced M&S express thing) and another good takeaway.

The reason being, all the local 90 year olds who hang around the Conservative Club and take 3/4 of an hour to reverse their Micra into a space on the main street will soon be in their boxes and this part of town can then cater for the next generation.
Being old is I understand not a lot of fun

So I hope you will never live to experience that
[quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: Apart from LV staff on their lunchbreak, do people actually still go shopping in Westbourne? The last time I went there for any length of time there was next to no on street parking and the shops consisted of a few expensive boutiques which looked like they hadn't changed their window display since 1983, a load of crusty old charity shops, a couple of dodgy looking hairdressing places and a few estate agents. Let's drag it into the 21st century. It's alreadyjust about got a Tesco Express. Now let's hope Camden Bar gets its licence and Westbourne also gets Wetherspoons, a couple of proper clothes shops, a decent supermarket (instead of that over priced M&S express thing) and another good takeaway. The reason being, all the local 90 year olds who hang around the Conservative Club and take 3/4 of an hour to reverse their Micra into a space on the main street will soon be in their boxes and this part of town can then cater for the next generation.[/p][/quote]Being old is I understand not a lot of fun So I hope you will never live to experience that billy bumble
  • Score: 5

6:21pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Gonetothebeach says...

MrPitiful wrote:
Apart from LV staff on their lunchbreak, do people actually still go shopping in Westbourne?

The last time I went there for any length of time there was next to no on street parking and the shops consisted of a few expensive boutiques which looked like they hadn't changed their window display since 1983, a load of crusty old charity shops, a couple of dodgy looking hairdressing places and a few estate agents.

Let's drag it into the 21st century. It's alreadyjust about got a Tesco Express. Now let's hope Camden Bar gets its licence and Westbourne also gets Wetherspoons, a couple of proper clothes shops, a decent supermarket (instead of that over priced M&S express thing) and another good takeaway.

The reason being, all the local 90 year olds who hang around the Conservative Club and take 3/4 of an hour to reverse their Micra into a space on the main street will soon be in their boxes and this part of town can then cater for the next generation.
What an ill informed judgement.
Westbourne has a mix of independent shops and eateries - there is a mix there which adds character and which successfully attracts people across many age groups and it is important to maintain that balance. I'm doubtful that a late licence for one establishment contributes anything positive, but it risks destroying the balance. On the other hand, initiatives that will maintain the vibrancy of the area ought to be welcome so perhaps it's worth experimenting with a late licence despite the risks - but not until 1.30 or 2am - other areas of Bournemouth are probably better suited to the late night economy.
[quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: Apart from LV staff on their lunchbreak, do people actually still go shopping in Westbourne? The last time I went there for any length of time there was next to no on street parking and the shops consisted of a few expensive boutiques which looked like they hadn't changed their window display since 1983, a load of crusty old charity shops, a couple of dodgy looking hairdressing places and a few estate agents. Let's drag it into the 21st century. It's alreadyjust about got a Tesco Express. Now let's hope Camden Bar gets its licence and Westbourne also gets Wetherspoons, a couple of proper clothes shops, a decent supermarket (instead of that over priced M&S express thing) and another good takeaway. The reason being, all the local 90 year olds who hang around the Conservative Club and take 3/4 of an hour to reverse their Micra into a space on the main street will soon be in their boxes and this part of town can then cater for the next generation.[/p][/quote]What an ill informed judgement. Westbourne has a mix of independent shops and eateries - there is a mix there which adds character and which successfully attracts people across many age groups and it is important to maintain that balance. I'm doubtful that a late licence for one establishment contributes anything positive, but it risks destroying the balance. On the other hand, initiatives that will maintain the vibrancy of the area ought to be welcome so perhaps it's worth experimenting with a late licence despite the risks - but not until 1.30 or 2am - other areas of Bournemouth are probably better suited to the late night economy. Gonetothebeach
  • Score: 2

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