Travellers back at Baiter Park in Poole, Cotlands Road in Bournemouth and Beach Road in Canford Cliffs

UPDATE: Residents' fury as Turlin Moor travellers set up three new camps across Bournemouth and Dorset

Travellers at Baiter Park today

Travellers at Baiter Park today

Travellers at Cotlands car park this morning

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Three new traveller encampments have been set up across Bournemouth and Poole after 25 caravans left Turlin Moor last night.

  • An eviction notice was served on the traveller camp at Turlin Moor giving them until noon today to move
  • At 9.30pm last night the group left Turlin Moor and split into three groups
  • Eight or nine caravans moved back onto Baiter Park, the third encampment there this summer
  • A second group of 11 caravans moved on Cotlands Road car park in Bournemouth
  • A third group moved onto Beach Road car park in Canford Cliffs
  • Travellers attempted to gain entry to Kings Park on Wednesday night but were turned back
  • Some of the Cotlands Road group are on the move again, apparently because they don't like the site. Around six caravans left late on Thursday afternoon. 

Bournemouth council has put other sites in lockdown including Meyrick Park, Queens Park, Redhill and Slades. The lockdown will stay in place until the air festival at the end of the month. 

Officials have put legal moves in process to gain possession of the Cotlands Road site, although at 4.30pm the council said some of the group appeared to be moving on because they "didn't like it" there. By 5pm around six caravans left the Cotlands Road site. 

Borough of Poole officers are currently deciding what action they are going to take. However they have welded up at the gate at Turlin Moor rec, where the travellers gained access. 

This will not prevent members of the public using the field and a football tournament on the pitch, which has not been damaged, will go ahead as planned this weekend.

Furious Poole residents are demanding answers as it is the third time Baiter Park has been used by travellers this year.

Two weeks ago eight caravans were at the same site before moving on just hours before an eviction notice would have forced them to leave.

Theresa McDowell, who walks her dog in the park, said she was disappointed to see travellers had returned to the car park.

She said: "I first noticed them in there this morning. There aren't as many as last time."

The 61-year-old added: "It makes me feel weary but I've never had any problems with them."

John Turner said he was frustrated to see travellers back at the park. He said: "This is the third time this summer.

"The time before last the council brought them down portable toilets to make sure they were ok.

"They have got money. They have got expensive cars. Other people pay to stay at caravan sites so why can't they?"

Mr Turner said he would like to changes in the law so illegal encampments can be shut down sooner.

He said: "Everybody seems to be frightened of them. The police seem to be frightened of them and the council seem to be frightened of them.

"They shouldn't be allowed to be here in the first place."

Mike Randall, chairman of Parkstone Bay Association, told the Echo: "This is ridiculous. This is the third time this has happened this year and people are getting a bit fed up with it.

"We need the council to take action to prevent this occurring. We desperately need height barriers put in the entrance to the car park. It is the only thing that will stop them getting in."

Poole resident Alan Cofflard of Elizabeth Road, who walks his dog on Baiter, was disgusted that the council had not done more to prevent the travellers from returning.

“They have these silly little stumps and where the put the Purbeck stone has not been planned. There are three or four areas where they can get through quite nicely,” he said.

He said there was still human excrement in the undergrowth from the last visit that had not been cleared up.

Mr Cofflard said it took Borough of Poole from July 18 to 24 to get the travellers evicted last time. “They are running Poole Council round in circles,” he said.

Cllr Chris Wilson, Poole People member for the Poole Town ward said: “I think this is the end for residents, this is the third time in a few months.”

She said she and Poole Party leader Cllr Mark Howell would be repeating their calls for a height restriction on the car park, which had been refused before on the grounds it would stop legitimate caravans from entering. But she said they generally went to the car park that fronted the harbour.

“They just play cat and mouse with us all summer to the detriment of anyone else,” she said. “We really need to be putting our thinking caps on again before next summer.”

Cllr Wilson, who was on the planning committee that threw out the proposal for the temporary transit site at Creekmoor added: “We'll never find a site in Poole.

“We need a site that can be used by travellers throughout Dorset. That would be the solution. We need the law changed before we can do that.”

Turlin Moor resident Julie Bagwell said all of the travellers had left the moor by 9.30pm, having been served with an order to move around 12noon on Wednesday.

“Thankfully the field is already being cleaned, very prompt response by the council cleaning teams, we are all pleased to say,” she added.

Comments have been opened on this story but please note: any reference to gypsies or any racially offensive term will cause them to be closed and you may find your account suspended. Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected by the Race Relations Act. Please keep your comments to this particular incident and do not generalise. Thanks for your co-operation.

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10:41pm Wed 6 Aug 14

crystal-coast says...

Why haven't they put enforced locks etc where they got in last time or put security like they do at kings park. Yet again more money to be spent on clean up and eviction notices. Nice one council
Why haven't they put enforced locks etc where they got in last time or put security like they do at kings park. Yet again more money to be spent on clean up and eviction notices. Nice one council crystal-coast
  • Score: 108

10:46pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Chief-Wiggum says...

'breaking news' the echo has no news to report...
'breaking news' the echo has no news to report... Chief-Wiggum
  • Score: -44

10:51pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

So who has checked that these tresspassers areTravellers as defined by the 2000 court ruling ?

What questions have been asked ?

And when were these checks made, and by whom ?
So who has checked that these tresspassers areTravellers as defined by the 2000 court ruling ? What questions have been asked ? And when were these checks made, and by whom ? Bob49
  • Score: 122

10:54pm Wed 6 Aug 14

whataboutthat says...

it's the holiday season. Get over it.
it's the holiday season. Get over it. whataboutthat
  • Score: -192

11:16pm Wed 6 Aug 14

sea poole says...

whataboutthat -Give your address and I'm sure the travellers would like to pay you a nice visit!
whataboutthat -Give your address and I'm sure the travellers would like to pay you a nice visit! sea poole
  • Score: 125

11:27pm Wed 6 Aug 14

MJD says...

Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.
Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council. MJD
  • Score: 59

11:30pm Wed 6 Aug 14

MJD says...

Forgot to say have the council got waste skips on site yet. Don't think so.
Forgot to say have the council got waste skips on site yet. Don't think so. MJD
  • Score: 20

11:39pm Wed 6 Aug 14

cheeriedriteup says...

Chief-Wiggum wrote:
'breaking news' the echo has no news to report...
To be honest my only form of transport is a large van, I live here all year round but can't park anywhere if I want to go to Poole or Bournemouth I can't park , once I even took my van to AFCB to but a match ticket and got locked in- because these mobile twits where in the area, all car parks have height restrictions which mean I can't not park to shop, all disabled spaces are empty which double up as large vehicle parking spaces , against my will the only option I have is to shop on line, sorry Dorset trade and commerce but your council makes this choice for me
[quote][p][bold]Chief-Wiggum[/bold] wrote: 'breaking news' the echo has no news to report...[/p][/quote]To be honest my only form of transport is a large van, I live here all year round but can't park anywhere if I want to go to Poole or Bournemouth I can't park , once I even took my van to AFCB to but a match ticket and got locked in- because these mobile twits where in the area, all car parks have height restrictions which mean I can't not park to shop, all disabled spaces are empty which double up as large vehicle parking spaces , against my will the only option I have is to shop on line, sorry Dorset trade and commerce but your council makes this choice for me cheeriedriteup
  • Score: 23

11:40pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Marty Caine says...

Surely the most important thing the council should be doing is that when they have got rid of a group from any site is to quickly secure that site so they cannot get back on to it. I wonder how much each eviction order is actually costing the taxpayers?
Surely the most important thing the council should be doing is that when they have got rid of a group from any site is to quickly secure that site so they cannot get back on to it. I wonder how much each eviction order is actually costing the taxpayers? Marty Caine
  • Score: 70

11:42pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Yankee1 says...

We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........

You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper...........
........

People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.
We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........ You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper........... ........ People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie. Yankee1
  • Score: 186

2:57am Thu 7 Aug 14

billd766 says...

Bombard the council and the local MPs to get the law changed to be the same as Irelend. Then if the "travellers" object to that they will also have to go to the government. There are more of you than there are of them.
Bombard the council and the local MPs to get the law changed to be the same as Irelend. Then if the "travellers" object to that they will also have to go to the government. There are more of you than there are of them. billd766
  • Score: 78

6:52am Thu 7 Aug 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Stop voting for mealy-mouthed local councillors / politicians whose only interest is in themselves and not the people they represent, and the problem will be sorted. Next time you vote, vote wisely.........
Stop voting for mealy-mouthed local councillors / politicians whose only interest is in themselves and not the people they represent, and the problem will be sorted. Next time you vote, vote wisely......... Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 58

7:01am Thu 7 Aug 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Sneaky details,who would have thought that would happen,it's also been a very bad year for flies,fleas,ticks,an
d law enforcement
Sneaky details,who would have thought that would happen,it's also been a very bad year for flies,fleas,ticks,an d law enforcement kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 16

8:07am Thu 7 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

Yankee1 wrote:
We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........

You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper...........

........

People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.
"Traveller is a racial group" ever since an English judged ruled that they were. Romany Gypsies are a separate racial group here.

Us people are not mugs - the judge who made the ruling is.
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........ You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper........... ........ People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.[/p][/quote]"Traveller is a racial group" ever since an English judged ruled that they were. Romany Gypsies are a separate racial group here. Us people are not mugs - the judge who made the ruling is. Carolyn43
  • Score: 59

8:38am Thu 7 Aug 14

adspacebroker says...

Three things - Firstly, and once again Poole Council KNEW where they were moving too because they told the officers who were at Turlin Moor! Secondly the majority of these individuals are NOT TRAVELLERS as defined in law. ...and finally, I hear through the 'civic centre corridor' grapevine that the council are willing to put up with this circus until they all go off to the steam fair. So ECHO, why not put this to the Chief Exec and ask if his officers have identified those who are not travellers, are they taking steps to secure previously trespassed sites, and are they really willing to put up with this again and again at our expense?
Three things - Firstly, and once again Poole Council KNEW where they were moving too because they told the officers who were at Turlin Moor! Secondly the majority of these individuals are NOT TRAVELLERS as defined in law. ...and finally, I hear through the 'civic centre corridor' grapevine that the council are willing to put up with this circus until they all go off to the steam fair. So ECHO, why not put this to the Chief Exec and ask if his officers have identified those who are not travellers, are they taking steps to secure previously trespassed sites, and are they really willing to put up with this again and again at our expense? adspacebroker
  • Score: 57

8:43am Thu 7 Aug 14

susi.m says...

MJD wrote:
Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.
I wouldn't bank on it. From what I have seen, heard and know the Conservatives in Poole are more anti travellers than the Lib Dems and the others.
[quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't bank on it. From what I have seen, heard and know the Conservatives in Poole are more anti travellers than the Lib Dems and the others. susi.m
  • Score: 22

8:43am Thu 7 Aug 14

Townee says...

Height barriers don't stop them, they cut them down. Sorry they find a place where they are already cut down the night before.
If they want to get in they will even half ton blockers of stone don't stop them.
Height barriers don't stop them, they cut them down. Sorry they find a place where they are already cut down the night before. If they want to get in they will even half ton blockers of stone don't stop them. Townee
  • Score: 38

8:49am Thu 7 Aug 14

susi.m says...

adspacebroker wrote:
Three things - Firstly, and once again Poole Council KNEW where they were moving too because they told the officers who were at Turlin Moor! Secondly the majority of these individuals are NOT TRAVELLERS as defined in law. ...and finally, I hear through the 'civic centre corridor' grapevine that the council are willing to put up with this circus until they all go off to the steam fair. So ECHO, why not put this to the Chief Exec and ask if his officers have identified those who are not travellers, are they taking steps to secure previously trespassed sites, and are they really willing to put up with this again and again at our expense?
There is currently no Chief Exec in Poole Council.

The law needs to be changed. This stupid law was brought in by Tony Blair during the last Labour Government.
[quote][p][bold]adspacebroker[/bold] wrote: Three things - Firstly, and once again Poole Council KNEW where they were moving too because they told the officers who were at Turlin Moor! Secondly the majority of these individuals are NOT TRAVELLERS as defined in law. ...and finally, I hear through the 'civic centre corridor' grapevine that the council are willing to put up with this circus until they all go off to the steam fair. So ECHO, why not put this to the Chief Exec and ask if his officers have identified those who are not travellers, are they taking steps to secure previously trespassed sites, and are they really willing to put up with this again and again at our expense?[/p][/quote]There is currently no Chief Exec in Poole Council. The law needs to be changed. This stupid law was brought in by Tony Blair during the last Labour Government. susi.m
  • Score: 36

8:49am Thu 7 Aug 14

skydriver says...

MJD wrote:
Forgot to say have the council got waste skips on site yet. Don't think so.
No need for skips. Because they would only cut them up and sell them for scrap metal, ............
These people have the council running around in circles, if they had an once of intelligence they would have have the order made out for any return on any site in the county........that's the trouble when dealing with people who are not trained to do the job..
[quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Forgot to say have the council got waste skips on site yet. Don't think so.[/p][/quote]No need for skips. Because they would only cut them up and sell them for scrap metal, ............ These people have the council running around in circles, if they had an once of intelligence they would have have the order made out for any return on any site in the county........that's the trouble when dealing with people who are not trained to do the job.. skydriver
  • Score: 40

9:01am Thu 7 Aug 14

sea poole says...

Bet the council will rush in portable toilets for the travellers at Baiter. Hang on -there's a permanent toilet block about 100m away, they supposedly will have toilets in their top of range caravans and so why do they need a 3rd set of loos? Guess they must have serious bladder and bowel problems...Bet the residents in Upper Parkstone are seething re the closure of their public toilets!
Bet the council will rush in portable toilets for the travellers at Baiter. Hang on -there's a permanent toilet block about 100m away, they supposedly will have toilets in their top of range caravans and so why do they need a 3rd set of loos? Guess they must have serious bladder and bowel problems...Bet the residents in Upper Parkstone are seething re the closure of their public toilets! sea poole
  • Score: 39

9:08am Thu 7 Aug 14

Hessenford says...

Marty Caine wrote:
Surely the most important thing the council should be doing is that when they have got rid of a group from any site is to quickly secure that site so they cannot get back on to it. I wonder how much each eviction order is actually costing the taxpayers?
Good point, really shows how stupid our councils are these days.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote: Surely the most important thing the council should be doing is that when they have got rid of a group from any site is to quickly secure that site so they cannot get back on to it. I wonder how much each eviction order is actually costing the taxpayers?[/p][/quote]Good point, really shows how stupid our councils are these days. Hessenford
  • Score: 34

9:11am Thu 7 Aug 14

Quakers2 says...

Here they are. Same old sh*t from everyone. The Council will not do anything whether they are Tory, Libs, Labs, UKIP's or Raving Loonies. It needs a law change - by Parliament. So
1) bombard your local MP (not the same as Councillors),
2) sign the petition to force Gov to debate the issue (i bet none of you have)
3) stop expecting the Echo to do anything - its not their job.
4) demand your local Councillor helps make these sites more secure (they have only spent around £40k of the £250k - who is sneakily hiding the remaining money?)
5) Baiter car park could be split into two smaller ones where one has spaces just for motor homes (say 6) this would be too cramped for travellers as they like to spread out. That said, the council knew last time these people parked in the car park, then removed the wooden posts so they could move onto the nice green park. Maybe mortor home could have the street parking instead of the car park.

Try and think outside the box to find some interim solutions because this will keep happening because the Creekmoor nimbies prevented the site being built (yes I know Caroline, there were a few minor issues but any contaminated land could have been made save and access improved) and thus we need a change in the law - MP's NOT Councillors!
Here they are. Same old sh*t from everyone. The Council will not do anything whether they are Tory, Libs, Labs, UKIP's or Raving Loonies. It needs a law change - by Parliament. So 1) bombard your local MP (not the same as Councillors), 2) sign the petition to force Gov to debate the issue (i bet none of you have) 3) stop expecting the Echo to do anything - its not their job. 4) demand your local Councillor helps make these sites more secure (they have only spent around £40k of the £250k - who is sneakily hiding the remaining money?) 5) Baiter car park could be split into two smaller ones where one has spaces just for motor homes (say 6) this would be too cramped for travellers as they like to spread out. That said, the council knew last time these people parked in the car park, then removed the wooden posts so they could move onto the nice green park. Maybe mortor home could have the street parking instead of the car park. Try and think outside the box to find some interim solutions because this will keep happening because the Creekmoor nimbies prevented the site being built (yes I know Caroline, there were a few minor issues but any contaminated land could have been made save and access improved) and thus we need a change in the law - MP's NOT Councillors! Quakers2
  • Score: 31

9:12am Thu 7 Aug 14

BarrHumbug says...

Once a eviction order has been served isn't it valid for a period of months and not addressed to individuals? In which case they should be able to move them on this morning?

Height barriers will not stop them, they will just cut them down.

It wouldn't surprise me if behind closed doors at the council they don't care? They proposed a site and it was rejected under the veil of contaminated land but in reality the local residents didn't want it, and to be fair I can't blame them, no one wants one of these camps on their doorstep, and the council probably thinking "we offered a solution and you rejected it so all this is now a problem of your own making?"
Once a eviction order has been served isn't it valid for a period of months and not addressed to individuals? In which case they should be able to move them on this morning? Height barriers will not stop them, they will just cut them down. It wouldn't surprise me if behind closed doors at the council they don't care? They proposed a site and it was rejected under the veil of contaminated land but in reality the local residents didn't want it, and to be fair I can't blame them, no one wants one of these camps on their doorstep, and the council probably thinking "we offered a solution and you rejected it so all this is now a problem of your own making?" BarrHumbug
  • Score: 28

9:27am Thu 7 Aug 14

whataboutthat says...

sea poole wrote:
whataboutthat -Give your address and I'm sure the travellers would like to pay you a nice visit!
They often visit - just about 300yds away. Sure there is a rubbish problem and one or two fights in the pubs but hey ho - had a drink in town on a Saturday night recently, curtain twitcher?
[quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: whataboutthat -Give your address and I'm sure the travellers would like to pay you a nice visit![/p][/quote]They often visit - just about 300yds away. Sure there is a rubbish problem and one or two fights in the pubs but hey ho - had a drink in town on a Saturday night recently, curtain twitcher? whataboutthat
  • Score: -31

9:29am Thu 7 Aug 14

retry69 says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
Stop voting for mealy-mouthed local councillors / politicians whose only interest is in themselves and not the people they represent, and the problem will be sorted. Next time you vote, vote wisely.........
The only wise vote at the moment is a no vote which will convey to the gutless people who stand for election that the public you are meant to represent have had enough.In the case of travellers it's no good harping back to how one judge or whatever caused this it's what been done since by local councillors at that amounts to very little.
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: Stop voting for mealy-mouthed local councillors / politicians whose only interest is in themselves and not the people they represent, and the problem will be sorted. Next time you vote, vote wisely.........[/p][/quote]The only wise vote at the moment is a no vote which will convey to the gutless people who stand for election that the public you are meant to represent have had enough.In the case of travellers it's no good harping back to how one judge or whatever caused this it's what been done since by local councillors at that amounts to very little. retry69
  • Score: 10

9:39am Thu 7 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

Quakers2 wrote:
Here they are. Same old sh*t from everyone. The Council will not do anything whether they are Tory, Libs, Labs, UKIP's or Raving Loonies. It needs a law change - by Parliament. So
1) bombard your local MP (not the same as Councillors),
2) sign the petition to force Gov to debate the issue (i bet none of you have)
3) stop expecting the Echo to do anything - its not their job.
4) demand your local Councillor helps make these sites more secure (they have only spent around £40k of the £250k - who is sneakily hiding the remaining money?)
5) Baiter car park could be split into two smaller ones where one has spaces just for motor homes (say 6) this would be too cramped for travellers as they like to spread out. That said, the council knew last time these people parked in the car park, then removed the wooden posts so they could move onto the nice green park. Maybe mortor home could have the street parking instead of the car park.

Try and think outside the box to find some interim solutions because this will keep happening because the Creekmoor nimbies prevented the site being built (yes I know Caroline, there were a few minor issues but any contaminated land could have been made save and access improved) and thus we need a change in the law - MP's NOT Councillors!
Once again, the so-called NIMBYs of Creekmoor DID NOT prevent the TSPs - the Planning Committee did.

Remember that Cllr Butt was sacked from her portfolio job for trying to bring some sense to the situation by Atkinson who, along with Eades, really wanted the sites to go ahead. Cllr Butt had the sense to consult with the Chair of the Gypsy Council, who said they wouldn't use it and would go on to private land. But the council's own Planning Committee refused the planning permission on safety and pollution grounds - how would you propose to remove the light pollution from the roundabout at night, the traffic exhaust fumes from the road or cut down the speed of traffic on the road? - not the residents of Creekmoor. They were not on the Planning Committee, nor did they have a vote on whether it went ahead or not.

Knowing a few Creekmoor residents, they were convinced that the site would be approved and were very surprised when it wasn't in spite of pressure from Eades and Atkinson. In hindsight it's a good job the money wasn't wasted on it because only 12 of the current influx of 26 or 28 motor homes and caravans (the Echo doesn't seem to be able to make up its mind how many) would have been accommodated. Where would the rest have gone? Where they go now of course because there would be nowhere to direct them to.
[quote][p][bold]Quakers2[/bold] wrote: Here they are. Same old sh*t from everyone. The Council will not do anything whether they are Tory, Libs, Labs, UKIP's or Raving Loonies. It needs a law change - by Parliament. So 1) bombard your local MP (not the same as Councillors), 2) sign the petition to force Gov to debate the issue (i bet none of you have) 3) stop expecting the Echo to do anything - its not their job. 4) demand your local Councillor helps make these sites more secure (they have only spent around £40k of the £250k - who is sneakily hiding the remaining money?) 5) Baiter car park could be split into two smaller ones where one has spaces just for motor homes (say 6) this would be too cramped for travellers as they like to spread out. That said, the council knew last time these people parked in the car park, then removed the wooden posts so they could move onto the nice green park. Maybe mortor home could have the street parking instead of the car park. Try and think outside the box to find some interim solutions because this will keep happening because the Creekmoor nimbies prevented the site being built (yes I know Caroline, there were a few minor issues but any contaminated land could have been made save and access improved) and thus we need a change in the law - MP's NOT Councillors![/p][/quote]Once again, the so-called NIMBYs of Creekmoor DID NOT prevent the TSPs - the Planning Committee did. Remember that Cllr Butt was sacked from her portfolio job for trying to bring some sense to the situation by Atkinson who, along with Eades, really wanted the sites to go ahead. Cllr Butt had the sense to consult with the Chair of the Gypsy Council, who said they wouldn't use it and would go on to private land. But the council's own Planning Committee refused the planning permission on safety and pollution grounds - how would you propose to remove the light pollution from the roundabout at night, the traffic exhaust fumes from the road or cut down the speed of traffic on the road? - not the residents of Creekmoor. They were not on the Planning Committee, nor did they have a vote on whether it went ahead or not. Knowing a few Creekmoor residents, they were convinced that the site would be approved and were very surprised when it wasn't in spite of pressure from Eades and Atkinson. In hindsight it's a good job the money wasn't wasted on it because only 12 of the current influx of 26 or 28 motor homes and caravans (the Echo doesn't seem to be able to make up its mind how many) would have been accommodated. Where would the rest have gone? Where they go now of course because there would be nowhere to direct them to. Carolyn43
  • Score: 12

9:47am Thu 7 Aug 14

Flump711 says...

I live opposite turlin moor rec, they were supplied a skip but still left open bin bags of rubbish all over the field. The council had sent out people to clear it at 7am this morning! Riding loud motorbikes around the estate late at night, kicking wing mirrors from locals cars, setting their dogs to fight local residents dogs, starting fights with young children, maybe if the police grew a pair of balls and make them pay the consequences of these actions like everybody else would have to, they may learn a bit of respect! Instead they just drive around the caravans twice a day and of they go again, oh and to the council trespassers are trespassers, maybe my family and friends should set up camp somewhere, I'm pretty sure we would be moved faster than a week!
I live opposite turlin moor rec, they were supplied a skip but still left open bin bags of rubbish all over the field. The council had sent out people to clear it at 7am this morning! Riding loud motorbikes around the estate late at night, kicking wing mirrors from locals cars, setting their dogs to fight local residents dogs, starting fights with young children, maybe if the police grew a pair of balls and make them pay the consequences of these actions like everybody else would have to, they may learn a bit of respect! Instead they just drive around the caravans twice a day and of they go again, oh and to the council trespassers are trespassers, maybe my family and friends should set up camp somewhere, I'm pretty sure we would be moved faster than a week! Flump711
  • Score: 65

9:49am Thu 7 Aug 14

boyerboy says...

I recall the farmer who had a similar ongoing problem, he simply decided to do some muck spreading on his fields..............
....................
....

Why not make their visits to our lovely area as unpleasant as possible, whatever measures are necessary and, of course, legal.
I recall the farmer who had a similar ongoing problem, he simply decided to do some muck spreading on his fields.............. .................... .... Why not make their visits to our lovely area as unpleasant as possible, whatever measures are necessary and, of course, legal. boyerboy
  • Score: 51

9:52am Thu 7 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

Oh, and if you bother to look at the map, the proposed site wasn't actually in Creekmoor, but on the south side of the industrial site which in turn is south of the A35 with the entrance from the roundabout A350 dual carriageway and wouldn't have affected the residents at all, just as the fire station doesn't. There would have been no pathway/exit on to the A35 or to Creekmoor.
Oh, and if you bother to look at the map, the proposed site wasn't actually in Creekmoor, but on the south side of the industrial site which in turn is south of the A35 with the entrance from the roundabout A350 dual carriageway and wouldn't have affected the residents at all, just as the fire station doesn't. There would have been no pathway/exit on to the A35 or to Creekmoor. Carolyn43
  • Score: 1

9:54am Thu 7 Aug 14

podgie says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
Yankee1 wrote:
We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........

You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper...........


........

People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.
"Traveller is a racial group" ever since an English judged ruled that they were. Romany Gypsies are a separate racial group here.

Us people are not mugs - the judge who made the ruling is.
When we need lessons from the good old USA on how to police, and dispense justice I think we will ask...Yeeeeee haaaaaaaaa
(Get off your horse and drink your milk)
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........ You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper........... ........ People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.[/p][/quote]"Traveller is a racial group" ever since an English judged ruled that they were. Romany Gypsies are a separate racial group here. Us people are not mugs - the judge who made the ruling is.[/p][/quote]When we need lessons from the good old USA on how to police, and dispense justice I think we will ask...Yeeeeee haaaaaaaaa (Get off your horse and drink your milk) podgie
  • Score: 11

9:57am Thu 7 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

boyerboy wrote:
I recall the farmer who had a similar ongoing problem, he simply decided to do some muck spreading on his fields..............

....................

....

Why not make their visits to our lovely area as unpleasant as possible, whatever measures are necessary and, of course, legal.
What about making all car parks and green areas off limits to all caravans and camper vans with sufficient security guards who are prepared to do their job at the entrances to stop all such vehicles entering. It would mean no legitimate holiday makers using the car parks, but hey at least there'd be no travellers. Much better use of £350,000.
[quote][p][bold]boyerboy[/bold] wrote: I recall the farmer who had a similar ongoing problem, he simply decided to do some muck spreading on his fields.............. .................... .... Why not make their visits to our lovely area as unpleasant as possible, whatever measures are necessary and, of course, legal.[/p][/quote]What about making all car parks and green areas off limits to all caravans and camper vans with sufficient security guards who are prepared to do their job at the entrances to stop all such vehicles entering. It would mean no legitimate holiday makers using the car parks, but hey at least there'd be no travellers. Much better use of £350,000. Carolyn43
  • Score: 12

9:58am Thu 7 Aug 14

podgie says...

susi.m wrote:
MJD wrote:
Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.
I wouldn't bank on it. From what I have seen, heard and know the Conservatives in Poole are more anti travellers than the Lib Dems and the others.
HAA HAAAA HAAAAA
Yes I can see Dick Cleggs weirdy beardies, or that Firebrand Ed Moribund's bunch of losers getting stuck into the issue.....
[quote][p][bold]susi.m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't bank on it. From what I have seen, heard and know the Conservatives in Poole are more anti travellers than the Lib Dems and the others.[/p][/quote]HAA HAAAA HAAAAA Yes I can see Dick Cleggs weirdy beardies, or that Firebrand Ed Moribund's bunch of losers getting stuck into the issue..... podgie
  • Score: -1

10:00am Thu 7 Aug 14

Aviewoneverything says...

If you Google 'travellers' in Wiltshire or Hampshire you will find an abundance of stories where travellers have moved onto land and with 24 hours they have been moved on by the police using their Section 61 powers. These encampments have been on council fields and car parks, just as they are here in Dorset. Clearly the only difference is that the constabularies of Wiltshire and Hampshire have got the strength of character and the inclination to do their job properly. Clearly Dorset Police could do with observing our police neighbours to see how to improve their frankly shocking abilities to deal with our own traveller incursions.
Heaven forbid the daily echo did some actually investigative reporting and compared the approaches used by other police forces.
If you Google 'travellers' in Wiltshire or Hampshire you will find an abundance of stories where travellers have moved onto land and with 24 hours they have been moved on by the police using their Section 61 powers. These encampments have been on council fields and car parks, just as they are here in Dorset. Clearly the only difference is that the constabularies of Wiltshire and Hampshire have got the strength of character and the inclination to do their job properly. Clearly Dorset Police could do with observing our police neighbours to see how to improve their frankly shocking abilities to deal with our own traveller incursions. Heaven forbid the daily echo did some actually investigative reporting and compared the approaches used by other police forces. Aviewoneverything
  • Score: 48

10:14am Thu 7 Aug 14

BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth says...

I'm constantly surprised at how well our local residents behave when these freeloading holidaymakers invade, the local authorities fight what is essentially a rearguard action after the event, Dorset Police do nothing constructive towards preventing any invasion, Parliament appears to have adopted a laissez faire attitude, nobody in authority appears to believe in immediate removal of these freeloading holidaymakers.

A few questions though:-
I thought both Bournemouth and Poole had a camera car each, why aren't they being used to monitor these freeloading holidaymakers?

We get the same places invaded every year at great cost to our local council taxpayers, why is there no CCTV monitoring the locked gates to provide the proof of criminal damage that inevitably happens.

Why cannot these freeloading holidaymakers be instantly directed to the nearest touring holiday park, I appreciate that staying on such a park won't be free but surely we have no legal obligation to provide free pitches for holidaymakers.
I'm constantly surprised at how well our local residents behave when these freeloading holidaymakers invade, the local authorities fight what is essentially a rearguard action after the event, Dorset Police do nothing constructive towards preventing any invasion, Parliament appears to have adopted a laissez faire attitude, nobody in authority appears to believe in immediate removal of these freeloading holidaymakers. A few questions though:- I thought both Bournemouth and Poole had a camera car each, why aren't they being used to monitor these freeloading holidaymakers? We get the same places invaded every year at great cost to our local council taxpayers, why is there no CCTV monitoring the locked gates to provide the proof of criminal damage that inevitably happens. Why cannot these freeloading holidaymakers be instantly directed to the nearest touring holiday park, I appreciate that staying on such a park won't be free but surely we have no legal obligation to provide free pitches for holidaymakers. BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth
  • Score: 34

10:27am Thu 7 Aug 14

Minty Fresh says...

Aviewoneverything wrote:
If you Google 'travellers' in Wiltshire or Hampshire you will find an abundance of stories where travellers have moved onto land and with 24 hours they have been moved on by the police using their Section 61 powers. These encampments have been on council fields and car parks, just as they are here in Dorset. Clearly the only difference is that the constabularies of Wiltshire and Hampshire have got the strength of character and the inclination to do their job properly. Clearly Dorset Police could do with observing our police neighbours to see how to improve their frankly shocking abilities to deal with our own traveller incursions.
Heaven forbid the daily echo did some actually investigative reporting and compared the approaches used by other police forces.
The Echo and it's totally anonymous part-time Editor (who doesn't even work in Bournemouth) have no intention of doing anything constructive for the local community on the traveller issue. They are every bit as spineless as the Police and authorities when it comes to dealing with these nomadic scum.

When are we going to see a law change that stops these free loading parasites hiding behind some BS ethnic nonsense whilst they carry on sticking two fingers up at everyone? Enough is enough.
[quote][p][bold]Aviewoneverything[/bold] wrote: If you Google 'travellers' in Wiltshire or Hampshire you will find an abundance of stories where travellers have moved onto land and with 24 hours they have been moved on by the police using their Section 61 powers. These encampments have been on council fields and car parks, just as they are here in Dorset. Clearly the only difference is that the constabularies of Wiltshire and Hampshire have got the strength of character and the inclination to do their job properly. Clearly Dorset Police could do with observing our police neighbours to see how to improve their frankly shocking abilities to deal with our own traveller incursions. Heaven forbid the daily echo did some actually investigative reporting and compared the approaches used by other police forces.[/p][/quote]The Echo and it's totally anonymous part-time Editor (who doesn't even work in Bournemouth) have no intention of doing anything constructive for the local community on the traveller issue. They are every bit as spineless as the Police and authorities when it comes to dealing with these nomadic scum. When are we going to see a law change that stops these free loading parasites hiding behind some BS ethnic nonsense whilst they carry on sticking two fingers up at everyone? Enough is enough. Minty Fresh
  • Score: 32

10:59am Thu 7 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

BigAlfromsunnyBourne
mouth
wrote:
I'm constantly surprised at how well our local residents behave when these freeloading holidaymakers invade, the local authorities fight what is essentially a rearguard action after the event, Dorset Police do nothing constructive towards preventing any invasion, Parliament appears to have adopted a laissez faire attitude, nobody in authority appears to believe in immediate removal of these freeloading holidaymakers.

A few questions though:-
I thought both Bournemouth and Poole had a camera car each, why aren't they being used to monitor these freeloading holidaymakers?

We get the same places invaded every year at great cost to our local council taxpayers, why is there no CCTV monitoring the locked gates to provide the proof of criminal damage that inevitably happens.

Why cannot these freeloading holidaymakers be instantly directed to the nearest touring holiday park, I appreciate that staying on such a park won't be free but surely we have no legal obligation to provide free pitches for holidaymakers.
Actually, unless they've occasionally shared the same car park, Poole and Bomo councils have a couple of camera cars each. I have on at least one occasion seem two parked in a cage inside a multi story (I guess they're worried people might accidentally bump into the camera), but I didn't see if they had different council logos on.
[quote][p][bold]BigAlfromsunnyBourne mouth[/bold] wrote: I'm constantly surprised at how well our local residents behave when these freeloading holidaymakers invade, the local authorities fight what is essentially a rearguard action after the event, Dorset Police do nothing constructive towards preventing any invasion, Parliament appears to have adopted a laissez faire attitude, nobody in authority appears to believe in immediate removal of these freeloading holidaymakers. A few questions though:- I thought both Bournemouth and Poole had a camera car each, why aren't they being used to monitor these freeloading holidaymakers? We get the same places invaded every year at great cost to our local council taxpayers, why is there no CCTV monitoring the locked gates to provide the proof of criminal damage that inevitably happens. Why cannot these freeloading holidaymakers be instantly directed to the nearest touring holiday park, I appreciate that staying on such a park won't be free but surely we have no legal obligation to provide free pitches for holidaymakers.[/p][/quote]Actually, unless they've occasionally shared the same car park, Poole and Bomo councils have a couple of camera cars each. I have on at least one occasion seem two parked in a cage inside a multi story (I guess they're worried people might accidentally bump into the camera), but I didn't see if they had different council logos on. speedy231278
  • Score: 8

11:01am Thu 7 Aug 14

bobthedestroyer says...

MJD wrote:
Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.
Its the law not the Councillors. If this problem affected more of the country (i.e. Westminster) something would be done. They (the MPs) managed to stop people from protesting/camping near Westminster but they can't do it anywhere else.

Again an example of where the minority are put before the majority, in some cases this is the right thing to do. In others its a p*ss take.
[quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.[/p][/quote]Its the law not the Councillors. If this problem affected more of the country (i.e. Westminster) something would be done. They (the MPs) managed to stop people from protesting/camping near Westminster but they can't do it anywhere else. Again an example of where the minority are put before the majority, in some cases this is the right thing to do. In others its a p*ss take. bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 15

11:14am Thu 7 Aug 14

loftusrod says...

Yet again the council and police don't seem to have followed my advice and followed them when they left Turlin Moor to stop them gaining entry to other sites.
Where is Underhill in all this? What's he doing?
Come to that, where's Joseph Jones? Quick to be seen at meetings telling everyone his views on the proposed sites, nowhere to be seen when there's some clearing up to be done.
Yet again the council and police don't seem to have followed my advice and followed them when they left Turlin Moor to stop them gaining entry to other sites. Where is Underhill in all this? What's he doing? Come to that, where's Joseph Jones? Quick to be seen at meetings telling everyone his views on the proposed sites, nowhere to be seen when there's some clearing up to be done. loftusrod
  • Score: 10

11:16am Thu 7 Aug 14

Nickydoonah says...

I have never seen a polish policeman in Dorset
Is it because Poles don't like hanging around all day doing nothing
like that is what the police do 24/7 now you know it is.
gypsies work harder you know.
I have never seen a polish policeman in Dorset Is it because Poles don't like hanging around all day doing nothing like that is what the police do 24/7 now you know it is. gypsies work harder you know. Nickydoonah
  • Score: -21

11:21am Thu 7 Aug 14

Nickydoonah says...

Where is Underhill in all this? What's he doing?

He is in the jam doughnut queue with his mates
you know he is.
Where is Underhill in all this? What's he doing? He is in the jam doughnut queue with his mates you know he is. Nickydoonah
  • Score: -5

11:23am Thu 7 Aug 14

Fingersonthem says...

Just waiting for when they get into Hawkwood Road Car Park .
Just waiting for when they get into Hawkwood Road Car Park . Fingersonthem
  • Score: 4

11:27am Thu 7 Aug 14

TheDistrict says...

As I have said before in different ways, the Travellers (so called Travellers) (not allowed to use other names) have run circles around the Councils and our Police, supported by the Daily Echo who hide behind this screen of Racial Equality and Human Rights and Ethnic Policies. Yet we for ever reading in other towns and counties, matters being actioned within 24 hrs and the Travellers (So called Travellers) being moved on with near immediate effect. What is it with Bournemouth and Poole Councils and the Dorset Police.

I fear they are waiting for the residents of both towns, in particular the effected areas to act, then they will pounce and the local residents will be the ones who get charged.

I cannot believe, even if the Travellers (So called Travellers) come under the rules echoed by the Daily Echo, that this does not cover the criminal damage they do to such local areas, in breaking in, threatening behaviour, fly tipping, excrement on all areas, let alone illegal parking, and much more.

It is such ashame that we are led by a spineless group from Town Halls and Civic Centres. MPs were mentioned, they are not much better.
As I have said before in different ways, the Travellers (so called Travellers) (not allowed to use other names) have run circles around the Councils and our Police, supported by the Daily Echo who hide behind this screen of Racial Equality and Human Rights and Ethnic Policies. Yet we for ever reading in other towns and counties, matters being actioned within 24 hrs and the Travellers (So called Travellers) being moved on with near immediate effect. What is it with Bournemouth and Poole Councils and the Dorset Police. I fear they are waiting for the residents of both towns, in particular the effected areas to act, then they will pounce and the local residents will be the ones who get charged. I cannot believe, even if the Travellers (So called Travellers) come under the rules echoed by the Daily Echo, that this does not cover the criminal damage they do to such local areas, in breaking in, threatening behaviour, fly tipping, excrement on all areas, let alone illegal parking, and much more. It is such ashame that we are led by a spineless group from Town Halls and Civic Centres. MPs were mentioned, they are not much better. TheDistrict
  • Score: 21

11:29am Thu 7 Aug 14

BIGTONE says...

The reality is that the travellers are far more organised than the Police or Councils.

Freedom to do as they please while they rent their houses out.
The reality is that the travellers are far more organised than the Police or Councils. Freedom to do as they please while they rent their houses out. BIGTONE
  • Score: 14

11:40am Thu 7 Aug 14

steve518 says...

Yep they were all illegally parked on Wimborne Rd between Cemetery Junction & Talbot Avenue last night. When they are on the move in a convoy why can't they be shadowed and then prevented from gaining illegal entry?
Yep they were all illegally parked on Wimborne Rd between Cemetery Junction & Talbot Avenue last night. When they are on the move in a convoy why can't they be shadowed and then prevented from gaining illegal entry? steve518
  • Score: 17

11:44am Thu 7 Aug 14

zabadoo says...

Well it's no big surprise. I am sure their next stops are already mapped out. What happened to the ones that camped in the New Forest? The Echo ran the story "Traveller camp set up in the New Forest" in 1 August. There has been no update. Does anyone, or the Echo, know what happened to them?
Well it's no big surprise. I am sure their next stops are already mapped out. What happened to the ones that camped in the New Forest? The Echo ran the story "Traveller camp set up in the New Forest" in 1 August. There has been no update. Does anyone, or the Echo, know what happened to them? zabadoo
  • Score: 6

12:15pm Thu 7 Aug 14

joetheman says...

zabadoo wrote:
Well it's no big surprise. I am sure their next stops are already mapped out. What happened to the ones that camped in the New Forest? The Echo ran the story "Traveller camp set up in the New Forest" in 1 August. There has been no update. Does anyone, or the Echo, know what happened to them?
They moved on place was littered with dog shXite, they could not improve the area
[quote][p][bold]zabadoo[/bold] wrote: Well it's no big surprise. I am sure their next stops are already mapped out. What happened to the ones that camped in the New Forest? The Echo ran the story "Traveller camp set up in the New Forest" in 1 August. There has been no update. Does anyone, or the Echo, know what happened to them?[/p][/quote]They moved on place was littered with dog shXite, they could not improve the area joetheman
  • Score: 4

12:18pm Thu 7 Aug 14

ekimnoslen says...

Yankee1 wrote:
We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........

You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper...........

........

People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.
The existing law and the time it takes to obtain enforcement are the problem.
The local authority should have the power to evict immediately and the onus put on the travelers to prove that they have right of access to the area in a court of law.
Problem solved........or maybe not, unless our local MPs pull their fingers out and start looking after our interests at Westminster.
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........ You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper........... ........ People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.[/p][/quote]The existing law and the time it takes to obtain enforcement are the problem. The local authority should have the power to evict immediately and the onus put on the travelers to prove that they have right of access to the area in a court of law. Problem solved........or maybe not, unless our local MPs pull their fingers out and start looking after our interests at Westminster. ekimnoslen
  • Score: 13

12:23pm Thu 7 Aug 14

kalebmoledirt says...

I have suggested locking them into their chosen holiday pitch and only allow them out after they agreed to clean up the site and leave the county ,Of coarse the errors of my suggestions was pointed out by the bed sit barrister,but I would rather see the money spent on defending the action that fortune that is being handed out to move them on
I have suggested locking them into their chosen holiday pitch and only allow them out after they agreed to clean up the site and leave the county ,Of coarse the errors of my suggestions was pointed out by the bed sit barrister,but I would rather see the money spent on defending the action that fortune that is being handed out to move them on kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 9

12:30pm Thu 7 Aug 14

JemBmth says...

Well, Canford Cliffs is lovely for them. At least they appreciate a great view!
Well, Canford Cliffs is lovely for them. At least they appreciate a great view! JemBmth
  • Score: 1

12:33pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Kiki1973 says...

I just don't understand this at all. Irrespective of ethnicity, protected or not, they are breaking the law, so arrest them. There is no issue on this. Until there is a traveller park, built for this purpose, they are not legally entitled to be where they are and that surely means arrests? How is this not a black and white issue? Forget going to court for orders, just arrest, detain, fine and move them on. Just like you would with anyone else.
I just don't understand this at all. Irrespective of ethnicity, protected or not, they are breaking the law, so arrest them. There is no issue on this. Until there is a traveller park, built for this purpose, they are not legally entitled to be where they are and that surely means arrests? How is this not a black and white issue? Forget going to court for orders, just arrest, detain, fine and move them on. Just like you would with anyone else. Kiki1973
  • Score: 22

12:36pm Thu 7 Aug 14

kalebmoledirt says...

I have said before ,lock them in And only release them after they have agreed to clean up and leave the town of course the shortcomings of this suggestion was pointed out by the bed sit barrister,but would prefer the money spent on evictions to be spent on defending the case for keeping them in a place where the police can monitor them,sure a burger van parked nearby Would keep them happy
I have said before ,lock them in And only release them after they have agreed to clean up and leave the town of course the shortcomings of this suggestion was pointed out by the bed sit barrister,but would prefer the money spent on evictions to be spent on defending the case for keeping them in a place where the police can monitor them,sure a burger van parked nearby Would keep them happy kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 8

12:37pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

Kiki1973 wrote:
I just don't understand this at all. Irrespective of ethnicity, protected or not, they are breaking the law, so arrest them. There is no issue on this. Until there is a traveller park, built for this purpose, they are not legally entitled to be where they are and that surely means arrests? How is this not a black and white issue? Forget going to court for orders, just arrest, detain, fine and move them on. Just like you would with anyone else.
The problem quoted is proving which one of them breaks in. Seems they can't be prosecuted for collective responsibility.
[quote][p][bold]Kiki1973[/bold] wrote: I just don't understand this at all. Irrespective of ethnicity, protected or not, they are breaking the law, so arrest them. There is no issue on this. Until there is a traveller park, built for this purpose, they are not legally entitled to be where they are and that surely means arrests? How is this not a black and white issue? Forget going to court for orders, just arrest, detain, fine and move them on. Just like you would with anyone else.[/p][/quote]The problem quoted is proving which one of them breaks in. Seems they can't be prosecuted for collective responsibility. Carolyn43
  • Score: 3

12:52pm Thu 7 Aug 14

bmthmark says...

We all moan about this but this can be avoided/reduced if we DON'T GIVE THEM WORK!!!

Tell your friends to do the same.

In the meantime the council need sorting big time but i'm not repeating what everyone above has already said (1000's of times).
We all moan about this but this can be avoided/reduced if we DON'T GIVE THEM WORK!!! Tell your friends to do the same. In the meantime the council need sorting big time but i'm not repeating what everyone above has already said (1000's of times). bmthmark
  • Score: 10

12:52pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

zabadoo wrote:
Well it's no big surprise. I am sure their next stops are already mapped out. What happened to the ones that camped in the New Forest? The Echo ran the story "Traveller camp set up in the New Forest" in 1 August. There has been no update. Does anyone, or the Echo, know what happened to them?
Taken out by an air strike?
[quote][p][bold]zabadoo[/bold] wrote: Well it's no big surprise. I am sure their next stops are already mapped out. What happened to the ones that camped in the New Forest? The Echo ran the story "Traveller camp set up in the New Forest" in 1 August. There has been no update. Does anyone, or the Echo, know what happened to them?[/p][/quote]Taken out by an air strike? Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 8

12:52pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Morrigan says...

For those who are sick to death of so called "travellers" receiving special treatment under the law as it stand at present due to their "ethic minority/race" - which they DO NOT HAVE IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY - please sign this petition and lets try to get the law changed so that they do not keep giving the country the run around. They are just taking the p!$$ now >:o(

http://epetitions.di
rect.gov.uk/petition
s/61822
For those who are sick to death of so called "travellers" receiving special treatment under the law as it stand at present due to their "ethic minority/race" - which they DO NOT HAVE IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY - please sign this petition and lets try to get the law changed so that they do not keep giving the country the run around. They are just taking the p!$$ now >:o( http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/61822 Morrigan
  • Score: 16

1:16pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Marty Caine says...

ekimnoslen wrote:
Yankee1 wrote:
We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........

You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper...........


........

People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.
The existing law and the time it takes to obtain enforcement are the problem.
The local authority should have the power to evict immediately and the onus put on the travelers to prove that they have right of access to the area in a court of law.
Problem solved........or maybe not, unless our local MPs pull their fingers out and start looking after our interests at Westminster.
The last times Syms & Burns spoke in parliament on this issue, it was to try and make it possible for Bournemouth to be able to send its own troubles to Poole. So I wouldn't be putting much faith in them doing anything productive in regards to this ongoing problem.
[quote][p][bold]ekimnoslen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........ You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper........... ........ People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.[/p][/quote]The existing law and the time it takes to obtain enforcement are the problem. The local authority should have the power to evict immediately and the onus put on the travelers to prove that they have right of access to the area in a court of law. Problem solved........or maybe not, unless our local MPs pull their fingers out and start looking after our interests at Westminster.[/p][/quote]The last times Syms & Burns spoke in parliament on this issue, it was to try and make it possible for Bournemouth to be able to send its own troubles to Poole. So I wouldn't be putting much faith in them doing anything productive in regards to this ongoing problem. Marty Caine
  • Score: 10

1:21pm Thu 7 Aug 14

sharkforsale says...

Dear Echo Readers,

Seriously, I do not know what everyone's beef is. I, for one, will be selling my house for around £300k. I will then purchase a motorhome for say, 50k. I will then proceed to drive it where I like, park it where I like, act how I like, knowing full well it will not matter. I won't be bothered by anyone for at least a month, then when I am asked to move, I will simply slip it into 1st gear, move about 6 feet and park again for another month. By my calculations, I should be able to live in Baiter Park until I am approximately 157. My reason for living so long? No council tax, no parking fees, free child entertainment, no fines for entering prohibi....hahahahah
a (can't even say the word)....wonderful. Just sit back, chill out, cr*p in the bushes (if you are lucky), poke my nose over a few fences and get a tan. However, please bear in mind that I do have to contend with residents in the area that I blight, I mean live in, moaning and complaining. Just join me....it will be fun*

*Please council/police, don't take this last comment too seriously....treat it as you do the travellers. With little notice, care, thought or issue.

Many Thanks
Mr T Raveller
Dear Echo Readers, Seriously, I do not know what everyone's beef is. I, for one, will be selling my house for around £300k. I will then purchase a motorhome for say, 50k. I will then proceed to drive it where I like, park it where I like, act how I like, knowing full well it will not matter. I won't be bothered by anyone for at least a month, then when I am asked to move, I will simply slip it into 1st gear, move about 6 feet and park again for another month. By my calculations, I should be able to live in Baiter Park until I am approximately 157. My reason for living so long? No council tax, no parking fees, free child entertainment, no fines for entering prohibi....hahahahah a (can't even say the word)....wonderful. Just sit back, chill out, cr*p in the bushes (if you are lucky), poke my nose over a few fences and get a tan. However, please bear in mind that I do have to contend with residents in the area that I blight, I mean live in, moaning and complaining. Just join me....it will be fun* *Please council/police, don't take this last comment too seriously....treat it as you do the travellers. With little notice, care, thought or issue. Many Thanks Mr T Raveller sharkforsale
  • Score: 24

1:34pm Thu 7 Aug 14

JustForPoole says...

I was going to watch "Live at the Apollo" tonight .... but .... the Echo`s reporting of just about everything is a far better comedy!!!
I was going to watch "Live at the Apollo" tonight .... but .... the Echo`s reporting of just about everything is a far better comedy!!! JustForPoole
  • Score: 5

1:34pm Thu 7 Aug 14

The Liberal says...

Bob49 wrote:
So who has checked that these tresspassers areTravellers as defined by the 2000 court ruling ?

What questions have been asked ?

And when were these checks made, and by whom ?
Does it make any difference whether they are travellers or not? As far as I understand it, the same laws apply to everyone and the eviction process would be the same.
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: So who has checked that these tresspassers areTravellers as defined by the 2000 court ruling ? What questions have been asked ? And when were these checks made, and by whom ?[/p][/quote]Does it make any difference whether they are travellers or not? As far as I understand it, the same laws apply to everyone and the eviction process would be the same. The Liberal
  • Score: 8

2:00pm Thu 7 Aug 14

martinsim34 says...

well look like thje gates and other stuff they did may have stopped them the councils have approx 20.000 pound per park or sumthing like that
well look like thje gates and other stuff they did may have stopped them the councils have approx 20.000 pound per park or sumthing like that martinsim34
  • Score: 1

2:14pm Thu 7 Aug 14

martinsim34 says...

thanks sandra you got ours secured typical tory dilildali round libs get job done take back the council mite get stuff done to deter them or ne1 wanting toset up camp
oh we r on canford heath
thanks sandra you got ours secured typical tory dilildali round libs get job done take back the council mite get stuff done to deter them or ne1 wanting toset up camp oh we r on canford heath martinsim34
  • Score: -2

2:16pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Lightsabre says...

Karma. Serves Elaine Atkinson right for trying to foist the travellers on the residents of Creekmoor and Broadstone. Canford Cliffs is her ward - there is a God after all!!!
Karma. Serves Elaine Atkinson right for trying to foist the travellers on the residents of Creekmoor and Broadstone. Canford Cliffs is her ward - there is a God after all!!! Lightsabre
  • Score: 6

2:26pm Thu 7 Aug 14

adspacebroker says...

Well we have just come back from Baiter after a walk along the harbourside and their over a dozen maybe more caravans and transit vans in the car park at Baiter. None on the grass yet but you just watch what happens tonight, they will rip out another post and be on there like a shot. An absolute waste of space......Poole Borough Council officers!!
Well we have just come back from Baiter after a walk along the harbourside and their over a dozen maybe more caravans and transit vans in the car park at Baiter. None on the grass yet but you just watch what happens tonight, they will rip out another post and be on there like a shot. An absolute waste of space......Poole Borough Council officers!! adspacebroker
  • Score: 6

2:31pm Thu 7 Aug 14

harrythered says...

Welding gates shut or putting chains and padlocks on them doesn't work because they get the angle grinder out and cut through them, last I heard that was criminal damage but they do it because no one in the police or council has the guts to prosecute them. Now if I tried to do the same thing...........
Welding gates shut or putting chains and padlocks on them doesn't work because they get the angle grinder out and cut through them, last I heard that was criminal damage but they do it because no one in the police or council has the guts to prosecute them. Now if I tried to do the same thing........... harrythered
  • Score: 13

2:39pm Thu 7 Aug 14

S,Bowes says...

Why do travellers obey eviction orders,whilst the council and police feel they are above the law,they obviously don't,so apply the law to them make them feel they are not a minority they deserve the same attention as local law abiding citizens,what the council's and police are doing is Racist,treat them as equal,I'm going yo report them
Why do travellers obey eviction orders,whilst the council and police feel they are above the law,they obviously don't,so apply the law to them make them feel they are not a minority they deserve the same attention as local law abiding citizens,what the council's and police are doing is Racist,treat them as equal,I'm going yo report them S,Bowes
  • Score: 4

2:59pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Nickydoonah says...

adspacebroker wrote:
Well we have just come back from Baiter after a walk along the harbourside and their over a dozen maybe more caravans and transit vans in the car park at Baiter. None on the grass yet but you just watch what happens tonight, they will rip out another post and be on there like a shot. An absolute waste of space......Poole Borough Council officers!!
Hey up they not travellers they are on their way here from Derbyshire they my relatives they be. we got a big wedding on you know.
[quote][p][bold]adspacebroker[/bold] wrote: Well we have just come back from Baiter after a walk along the harbourside and their over a dozen maybe more caravans and transit vans in the car park at Baiter. None on the grass yet but you just watch what happens tonight, they will rip out another post and be on there like a shot. An absolute waste of space......Poole Borough Council officers!![/p][/quote]Hey up they not travellers they are on their way here from Derbyshire they my relatives they be. we got a big wedding on you know. Nickydoonah
  • Score: -7

3:13pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Gastines3 says...

Il wonder how quick the response would be if ALL local residents stopped their Council Tax payments until the law was amended to deal with these parasites? I would expect we,the tax payers, would be the ones in court with fines,conviscation orders or prison as the result.No one in Government or Council seems prepared to deal with these people and all we can look forward to is a repeat performance next year. Welcome to the U.K.
Il wonder how quick the response would be if ALL local residents stopped their Council Tax payments until the law was amended to deal with these parasites? I would expect we,the tax payers, would be the ones in court with fines,conviscation orders or prison as the result.No one in Government or Council seems prepared to deal with these people and all we can look forward to is a repeat performance next year. Welcome to the U.K. Gastines3
  • Score: 5

3:18pm Thu 7 Aug 14

loftusrod says...

Check out the sign at the entrance to the Cotlands Road car park.
No Camping
No Caravans
No Cooking.
No Trailers
No Sleeping
In fact, just about everything these people are doing.
The sign then goes on to point out the penalty charge.
I wonder if they've been given tickets.......
Check out the sign at the entrance to the Cotlands Road car park. No Camping No Caravans No Cooking. No Trailers No Sleeping In fact, just about everything these people are doing. The sign then goes on to point out the penalty charge. I wonder if they've been given tickets....... loftusrod
  • Score: 27

3:40pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

If every person who has read this thread were to contact their ward councillors and demand they be told what checks have been made to verify that these tresspassers fall within the definition as set out by that court ruling then we might begin to see action.

You can write, phone or email your councillor.

If the Daily Echo won't publish the replies received or the fact that the councillor has not replied then post them on a traveller thread.

If they want to use this ruling , then it's time we did as well

go to it !
If every person who has read this thread were to contact their ward councillors and demand they be told what checks have been made to verify that these tresspassers fall within the definition as set out by that court ruling then we might begin to see action. You can write, phone or email your councillor. If the Daily Echo won't publish the replies received or the fact that the councillor has not replied then post them on a traveller thread. If they want to use this ruling , then it's time we did as well go to it ! Bob49
  • Score: 5

4:36pm Thu 7 Aug 14

canfordcherry says...

MJD wrote:
Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.
It will never happen, too many funny handshakes and lucrative deals to be lost out on.
[quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.[/p][/quote]It will never happen, too many funny handshakes and lucrative deals to be lost out on. canfordcherry
  • Score: 3

4:42pm Thu 7 Aug 14

canfordcherry says...

Aviewoneverything wrote:
If you Google 'travellers' in Wiltshire or Hampshire you will find an abundance of stories where travellers have moved onto land and with 24 hours they have been moved on by the police using their Section 61 powers. These encampments have been on council fields and car parks, just as they are here in Dorset. Clearly the only difference is that the constabularies of Wiltshire and Hampshire have got the strength of character and the inclination to do their job properly. Clearly Dorset Police could do with observing our police neighbours to see how to improve their frankly shocking abilities to deal with our own traveller incursions.
Heaven forbid the daily echo did some actually investigative reporting and compared the approaches used by other police forces.
Or perhaps they are getting valuable advice from their P&C Comm.!
Maybe we should get one, oh...... just remembered, we have one!!
[quote][p][bold]Aviewoneverything[/bold] wrote: If you Google 'travellers' in Wiltshire or Hampshire you will find an abundance of stories where travellers have moved onto land and with 24 hours they have been moved on by the police using their Section 61 powers. These encampments have been on council fields and car parks, just as they are here in Dorset. Clearly the only difference is that the constabularies of Wiltshire and Hampshire have got the strength of character and the inclination to do their job properly. Clearly Dorset Police could do with observing our police neighbours to see how to improve their frankly shocking abilities to deal with our own traveller incursions. Heaven forbid the daily echo did some actually investigative reporting and compared the approaches used by other police forces.[/p][/quote]Or perhaps they are getting valuable advice from their P&C Comm.! Maybe we should get one, oh...... just remembered, we have one!! canfordcherry
  • Score: 2

4:43pm Thu 7 Aug 14

60plus says...

Maybe the solution is move the steam fair to February before the tourist season starts,
Maybe the solution is move the steam fair to February before the tourist season starts, 60plus
  • Score: 6

4:53pm Thu 7 Aug 14

canfordcherry says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
Kiki1973 wrote:
I just don't understand this at all. Irrespective of ethnicity, protected or not, they are breaking the law, so arrest them. There is no issue on this. Until there is a traveller park, built for this purpose, they are not legally entitled to be where they are and that surely means arrests? How is this not a black and white issue? Forget going to court for orders, just arrest, detain, fine and move them on. Just like you would with anyone else.
The problem quoted is proving which one of them breaks in. Seems they can't be prosecuted for collective responsibility.
Surely a sign reading along the lines of,
''If the gate (replace as necessary) is opened by any means of force then the owners reserve the right to forcibly remove any trespassers present due to illegal occupation, this apples to all with no bias taken.''
Then we need it put into action by those in charge.
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kiki1973[/bold] wrote: I just don't understand this at all. Irrespective of ethnicity, protected or not, they are breaking the law, so arrest them. There is no issue on this. Until there is a traveller park, built for this purpose, they are not legally entitled to be where they are and that surely means arrests? How is this not a black and white issue? Forget going to court for orders, just arrest, detain, fine and move them on. Just like you would with anyone else.[/p][/quote]The problem quoted is proving which one of them breaks in. Seems they can't be prosecuted for collective responsibility.[/p][/quote]Surely a sign reading along the lines of, ''If the gate (replace as necessary) is opened by any means of force then the owners reserve the right to forcibly remove any trespassers present due to illegal occupation, this apples to all with no bias taken.'' Then we need it put into action by those in charge. canfordcherry
  • Score: 8

4:55pm Thu 7 Aug 14

folkprotector says...

podgie wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
Yankee1 wrote:
We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........

You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper...........



........

People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.
"Traveller is a racial group" ever since an English judged ruled that they were. Romany Gypsies are a separate racial group here.

Us people are not mugs - the judge who made the ruling is.
When we need lessons from the good old USA on how to police, and dispense justice I think we will ask...Yeeeeee haaaaaaaaa
(Get off your horse and drink your milk)
Can't take criticism? More to the point, what's your view on what the travellers are doing?
[quote][p][bold]podgie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........ You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper........... ........ People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.[/p][/quote]"Traveller is a racial group" ever since an English judged ruled that they were. Romany Gypsies are a separate racial group here. Us people are not mugs - the judge who made the ruling is.[/p][/quote]When we need lessons from the good old USA on how to police, and dispense justice I think we will ask...Yeeeeee haaaaaaaaa (Get off your horse and drink your milk)[/p][/quote]Can't take criticism? More to the point, what's your view on what the travellers are doing? folkprotector
  • Score: 2

5:00pm Thu 7 Aug 14

whataboutthat says...

S,Bowes wrote:
Why do travellers obey eviction orders,whilst the council and police feel they are above the law,they obviously don't,so apply the law to them make them feel they are not a minority they deserve the same attention as local law abiding citizens,what the council's and police are doing is Racist,treat them as equal,I'm going yo report them
What the hell are you on about?
[quote][p][bold]S,Bowes[/bold] wrote: Why do travellers obey eviction orders,whilst the council and police feel they are above the law,they obviously don't,so apply the law to them make them feel they are not a minority they deserve the same attention as local law abiding citizens,what the council's and police are doing is Racist,treat them as equal,I'm going yo report them[/p][/quote]What the hell are you on about? whataboutthat
  • Score: 3

5:28pm Thu 7 Aug 14

spooki says...

whataboutthat wrote:
sea poole wrote:
whataboutthat -Give your address and I'm sure the travellers would like to pay you a nice visit!
They often visit - just about 300yds away. Sure there is a rubbish problem and one or two fights in the pubs but hey ho - had a drink in town on a Saturday night recently, curtain twitcher?
How about you volunteer to pick up their sh1t when they leave? And I do actually mean human excrement as well as rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]whataboutthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: whataboutthat -Give your address and I'm sure the travellers would like to pay you a nice visit![/p][/quote]They often visit - just about 300yds away. Sure there is a rubbish problem and one or two fights in the pubs but hey ho - had a drink in town on a Saturday night recently, curtain twitcher?[/p][/quote]How about you volunteer to pick up their sh1t when they leave? And I do actually mean human excrement as well as rubbish. spooki
  • Score: 4

5:34pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Father Oblivion says...

adspacebroker wrote:
Three things - Firstly, and once again Poole Council KNEW where they were moving too because they told the officers who were at Turlin Moor! Secondly the majority of these individuals are NOT TRAVELLERS as defined in law. ...and finally, I hear through the 'civic centre corridor' grapevine that the council are willing to put up with this circus until they all go off to the steam fair. So ECHO, why not put this to the Chief Exec and ask if his officers have identified those who are not travellers, are they taking steps to secure previously trespassed sites, and are they really willing to put up with this again and again at our expense?
So why don't you ask the chief executive yourself? You know the echo won't.
[quote][p][bold]adspacebroker[/bold] wrote: Three things - Firstly, and once again Poole Council KNEW where they were moving too because they told the officers who were at Turlin Moor! Secondly the majority of these individuals are NOT TRAVELLERS as defined in law. ...and finally, I hear through the 'civic centre corridor' grapevine that the council are willing to put up with this circus until they all go off to the steam fair. So ECHO, why not put this to the Chief Exec and ask if his officers have identified those who are not travellers, are they taking steps to secure previously trespassed sites, and are they really willing to put up with this again and again at our expense?[/p][/quote]So why don't you ask the chief executive yourself? You know the echo won't. Father Oblivion
  • Score: 3

5:39pm Thu 7 Aug 14

boardsandphotos says...

You should all read this:

http://www.traveller
stimes.org.uk/list.a
spx?c=00619ef1-21e2-
40aa-8d5e-f7c38586d3
2f&n=3d0c0024-a3bd-4
605-80c2-02c540319d3
2

...and yes, Travellers have their own webpage.
You should all read this: http://www.traveller stimes.org.uk/list.a spx?c=00619ef1-21e2- 40aa-8d5e-f7c38586d3 2f&n=3d0c0024-a3bd-4 605-80c2-02c540319d3 2 ...and yes, Travellers have their own webpage. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 2

5:44pm Thu 7 Aug 14

S,Bowes says...

whataboutthat wrote:
S,Bowes wrote:
Why do travellers obey eviction orders,whilst the council and police feel they are above the law,they obviously don't,so apply the law to them make them feel they are not a minority they deserve the same attention as local law abiding citizens,what the council's and police are doing is Racist,treat them as equal,I'm going yo report them
What the hell are you on about?
What is your first language ??
[quote][p][bold]whataboutthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S,Bowes[/bold] wrote: Why do travellers obey eviction orders,whilst the council and police feel they are above the law,they obviously don't,so apply the law to them make them feel they are not a minority they deserve the same attention as local law abiding citizens,what the council's and police are doing is Racist,treat them as equal,I'm going yo report them[/p][/quote]What the hell are you on about?[/p][/quote]What is your first language ?? S,Bowes
  • Score: -2

5:59pm Thu 7 Aug 14

yet_another_one says...

Father Oblivion wrote:
adspacebroker wrote:
Three things - Firstly, and once again Poole Council KNEW where they were moving too because they told the officers who were at Turlin Moor! Secondly the majority of these individuals are NOT TRAVELLERS as defined in law. ...and finally, I hear through the 'civic centre corridor' grapevine that the council are willing to put up with this circus until they all go off to the steam fair. So ECHO, why not put this to the Chief Exec and ask if his officers have identified those who are not travellers, are they taking steps to secure previously trespassed sites, and are they really willing to put up with this again and again at our expense?
So why don't you ask the chief executive yourself? You know the echo won't.
I'm coming to the conclusion these so-called beings are 'extracting the michael' & some are using the term 'travellers' as an excuse to dodge what we locals are legitimately levied with, i.e. council tax, parking charges, et al.

We would not even consider & are not allowed to dump rubbish & even human excrement in hedgerows.

For goodness sake, why is our government & the EU so impotent in supporting these people ???
[quote][p][bold]Father Oblivion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adspacebroker[/bold] wrote: Three things - Firstly, and once again Poole Council KNEW where they were moving too because they told the officers who were at Turlin Moor! Secondly the majority of these individuals are NOT TRAVELLERS as defined in law. ...and finally, I hear through the 'civic centre corridor' grapevine that the council are willing to put up with this circus until they all go off to the steam fair. So ECHO, why not put this to the Chief Exec and ask if his officers have identified those who are not travellers, are they taking steps to secure previously trespassed sites, and are they really willing to put up with this again and again at our expense?[/p][/quote]So why don't you ask the chief executive yourself? You know the echo won't.[/p][/quote]I'm coming to the conclusion these so-called beings are 'extracting the michael' & some are using the term 'travellers' as an excuse to dodge what we locals are legitimately levied with, i.e. council tax, parking charges, et al. We would not even consider & are not allowed to dump rubbish & even human excrement in hedgerows. For goodness sake, why is our government & the EU so impotent in supporting these people ??? yet_another_one
  • Score: 6

6:28pm Thu 7 Aug 14

boardsandphotos says...

S,Bowes wrote:
whataboutthat wrote:
S,Bowes wrote:
Why do travellers obey eviction orders,whilst the council and police feel they are above the law,they obviously don't,so apply the law to them make them feel they are not a minority they deserve the same attention as local law abiding citizens,what the council's and police are doing is Racist,treat them as equal,I'm going yo report them
What the hell are you on about?
What is your first language ??
S,Bowes your comment really doesn't make any sense at all.
[quote][p][bold]S,Bowes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whataboutthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S,Bowes[/bold] wrote: Why do travellers obey eviction orders,whilst the council and police feel they are above the law,they obviously don't,so apply the law to them make them feel they are not a minority they deserve the same attention as local law abiding citizens,what the council's and police are doing is Racist,treat them as equal,I'm going yo report them[/p][/quote]What the hell are you on about?[/p][/quote]What is your first language ??[/p][/quote]S,Bowes your comment really doesn't make any sense at all. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 4

7:03pm Thu 7 Aug 14

folkprotector says...

Does ANYONE check whether these people are "travellers"?
If none of the authorities check how does the council or police actually know for certain that they fall within the law that supposedly gives these people immunity from upholding the laws we abide by?
After all these people COULD be members of a terrorist sleeper cell!
Does ANYONE check whether these people are "travellers"? If none of the authorities check how does the council or police actually know for certain that they fall within the law that supposedly gives these people immunity from upholding the laws we abide by? After all these people COULD be members of a terrorist sleeper cell! folkprotector
  • Score: 7

7:17pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Marty Caine says...

Yankee1 wrote:
We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........

You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper...........

........

People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.
Not taking the P...... But.....

Maybe the Echo should do a story on you, it is quite unique to find an American that actually knows about something that is going on outside their own country, most don't have a clue about what is going on outside their own state.

;)
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........ You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper........... ........ People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.[/p][/quote]Not taking the P...... But..... Maybe the Echo should do a story on you, it is quite unique to find an American that actually knows about something that is going on outside their own country, most don't have a clue about what is going on outside their own state. ;) Marty Caine
  • Score: 4

7:31pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Desperado says...

steve518 wrote:
Yep they were all illegally parked on Wimborne Rd between Cemetery Junction & Talbot Avenue last night. When they are on the move in a convoy why can't they be shadowed and then prevented from gaining illegal entry?
Because the police are scared of them .
[quote][p][bold]steve518[/bold] wrote: Yep they were all illegally parked on Wimborne Rd between Cemetery Junction & Talbot Avenue last night. When they are on the move in a convoy why can't they be shadowed and then prevented from gaining illegal entry?[/p][/quote]Because the police are scared of them . Desperado
  • Score: 5

7:38pm Thu 7 Aug 14

dustbindanny says...

Hi ECHO, is it not possible for your Paper to ask Mr Martin Underhill for an interview with regards too these ' so called Travellers' not being checked if they are Legitimate , Cars, Vans, Mobile Homes Taxed etc, and to ask him why the tax Payer is penalised for any misdeamenour ,but Dorset Police seem afraid to act against these people?
Hi ECHO, is it not possible for your Paper to ask Mr Martin Underhill for an interview with regards too these ' so called Travellers' not being checked if they are Legitimate , Cars, Vans, Mobile Homes Taxed etc, and to ask him why the tax Payer is penalised for any misdeamenour ,but Dorset Police seem afraid to act against these people? dustbindanny
  • Score: 12

7:38pm Thu 7 Aug 14

S,Bowes says...

Marty Caine wrote:
Yankee1 wrote:
We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........

You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper...........


........

People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.
Not taking the P...... But.....

Maybe the Echo should do a story on you, it is quite unique to find an American that actually knows about something that is going on outside their own country, most don't have a clue about what is going on outside their own state.

;)
Being built like a 5'2" doorstop does not entitle you to be rude .as well as overbearing
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........ You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper........... ........ People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.[/p][/quote]Not taking the P...... But..... Maybe the Echo should do a story on you, it is quite unique to find an American that actually knows about something that is going on outside their own country, most don't have a clue about what is going on outside their own state. ;)[/p][/quote]Being built like a 5'2" doorstop does not entitle you to be rude .as well as overbearing S,Bowes
  • Score: 2

7:41pm Thu 7 Aug 14

S,Bowes says...

boardsandphotos wrote:
S,Bowes wrote:
whataboutthat wrote:
S,Bowes wrote:
Why do travellers obey eviction orders,whilst the council and police feel they are above the law,they obviously don't,so apply the law to them make them feel they are not a minority they deserve the same attention as local law abiding citizens,what the council's and police are doing is Racist,treat them as equal,I'm going yo report them
What the hell are you on about?
What is your first language ??
S,Bowes your comment really doesn't make any sense at all.
Ask your dad to to read it and explain
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S,Bowes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whataboutthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S,Bowes[/bold] wrote: Why do travellers obey eviction orders,whilst the council and police feel they are above the law,they obviously don't,so apply the law to them make them feel they are not a minority they deserve the same attention as local law abiding citizens,what the council's and police are doing is Racist,treat them as equal,I'm going yo report them[/p][/quote]What the hell are you on about?[/p][/quote]What is your first language ??[/p][/quote]S,Bowes your comment really doesn't make any sense at all.[/p][/quote]Ask your dad to to read it and explain S,Bowes
  • Score: -1

7:53pm Thu 7 Aug 14

S,Bowes says...

S,Bowes wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
S,Bowes wrote:
whataboutthat wrote:
S,Bowes wrote:
Why do travellers obey eviction orders,whilst the council and police feel they are above the law,they obviously don't,so apply the law to them make them feel they are not a minority they deserve the same attention as local law abiding citizens,what the council's and police are doing is Racist,treat them as equal,I'm going yo report them
What the hell are you on about?
What is your first language ??
S,Bowes your comment really doesn't make any sense at all.
Ask your dad to to read it and explain
I will keep it simple ,the travellers respect the eviction orders but not the trespassing laws ,public nuisance,litter laws ,breaking and entering ,road traffic act,in summary they cherry pick the laws that suit ,to challenge the Police to tell us why ,
[quote][p][bold]S,Bowes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S,Bowes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whataboutthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S,Bowes[/bold] wrote: Why do travellers obey eviction orders,whilst the council and police feel they are above the law,they obviously don't,so apply the law to them make them feel they are not a minority they deserve the same attention as local law abiding citizens,what the council's and police are doing is Racist,treat them as equal,I'm going yo report them[/p][/quote]What the hell are you on about?[/p][/quote]What is your first language ??[/p][/quote]S,Bowes your comment really doesn't make any sense at all.[/p][/quote]Ask your dad to to read it and explain[/p][/quote]I will keep it simple ,the travellers respect the eviction orders but not the trespassing laws ,public nuisance,litter laws ,breaking and entering ,road traffic act,in summary they cherry pick the laws that suit ,to challenge the Police to tell us why , S,Bowes
  • Score: 4

8:00pm Thu 7 Aug 14

cromwell9 says...

You all know what UKIP would do,so iam saying no more,.
As one well known actor used to say. ITS THE B______G OBVIOUS.
You all know what UKIP would do,so iam saying no more,. As one well known actor used to say. ITS THE B______G OBVIOUS. cromwell9
  • Score: -4

8:11pm Thu 7 Aug 14

cromwell9 says...

Gastines3 wrote:
Il wonder how quick the response would be if ALL local residents stopped their Council Tax payments until the law was amended to deal with these parasites? I would expect we,the tax payers, would be the ones in court with fines,conviscation orders or prison as the result.No one in Government or Council seems prepared to deal with these people and all we can look forward to is a repeat performance next year. Welcome to the U.K.
That will never happen .while we are in the EU .
There are 6,000 imigrants in France waiting there chance to jump on a lorry and come over here ,and take us to the CLEANERS,.Labour/Lib Dems,would let them in at a drop of a hat ,And house them in 6months over your heads .
When are you going to wake up ,to what is going on in the UK,
All these imigrants are from Africa .hardly any one of them speak any English.
We want quality imigrants ,not lay abouts ,no hopers ,spongers .
Lets have the AUSTRALIA quoter systym.Then I will shut up.
[quote][p][bold]Gastines3[/bold] wrote: Il wonder how quick the response would be if ALL local residents stopped their Council Tax payments until the law was amended to deal with these parasites? I would expect we,the tax payers, would be the ones in court with fines,conviscation orders or prison as the result.No one in Government or Council seems prepared to deal with these people and all we can look forward to is a repeat performance next year. Welcome to the U.K.[/p][/quote]That will never happen .while we are in the EU . There are 6,000 imigrants in France waiting there chance to jump on a lorry and come over here ,and take us to the CLEANERS,.Labour/Lib Dems,would let them in at a drop of a hat ,And house them in 6months over your heads . When are you going to wake up ,to what is going on in the UK, All these imigrants are from Africa .hardly any one of them speak any English. We want quality imigrants ,not lay abouts ,no hopers ,spongers . Lets have the AUSTRALIA quoter systym.Then I will shut up. cromwell9
  • Score: 3

8:13pm Thu 7 Aug 14

cromwell9 says...

MJD wrote:
Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.
The only party that will sort it out is UKIP .the others are a waist of time.
[quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.[/p][/quote]The only party that will sort it out is UKIP .the others are a waist of time. cromwell9
  • Score: 1

8:19pm Thu 7 Aug 14

cromwell9 says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
Once a eviction order has been served isn't it valid for a period of months and not addressed to individuals? In which case they should be able to move them on this morning?

Height barriers will not stop them, they will just cut them down.

It wouldn't surprise me if behind closed doors at the council they don't care? They proposed a site and it was rejected under the veil of contaminated land but in reality the local residents didn't want it, and to be fair I can't blame them, no one wants one of these camps on their doorstep, and the council probably thinking "we offered a solution and you rejected it so all this is now a problem of your own making?"
It wasnt a solution .Once they drive on to that Creekmoor sight ,they would have to register ,and pay council tax .Exeter set up a camp in 2013 at a cost of £300,00 .for 66 vans .Once the travellers had to sign in etc they all left.
A waste of money,.
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: Once a eviction order has been served isn't it valid for a period of months and not addressed to individuals? In which case they should be able to move them on this morning? Height barriers will not stop them, they will just cut them down. It wouldn't surprise me if behind closed doors at the council they don't care? They proposed a site and it was rejected under the veil of contaminated land but in reality the local residents didn't want it, and to be fair I can't blame them, no one wants one of these camps on their doorstep, and the council probably thinking "we offered a solution and you rejected it so all this is now a problem of your own making?"[/p][/quote]It wasnt a solution .Once they drive on to that Creekmoor sight ,they would have to register ,and pay council tax .Exeter set up a camp in 2013 at a cost of £300,00 .for 66 vans .Once the travellers had to sign in etc they all left. A waste of money,. cromwell9
  • Score: 1

8:27pm Thu 7 Aug 14

O'Reilly says...

BIGTONE wrote:
The reality is that the travellers are far more organised than the Police or Councils.

Freedom to do as they please while they rent their houses out.
They also know the Law better as well...
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: The reality is that the travellers are far more organised than the Police or Councils. Freedom to do as they please while they rent their houses out.[/p][/quote]They also know the Law better as well... O'Reilly
  • Score: 3

8:40pm Thu 7 Aug 14

ashleycross says...

Why is this news? Same thing every year because the councillors in both towns choose to use car parks and open spaces for travellers sites instead of putting in proper sites like the rest of the country. Considering that Bournemouth is a town proud of painting out cycle lanes and Poole has put all the planning obligation money into a ridiculous bridge project that has done nothing to reduce traffic jams we are hardly the most up to date on anything. What is it about the BH postcode that attracts such backwards people?
Why is this news? Same thing every year because the councillors in both towns choose to use car parks and open spaces for travellers sites instead of putting in proper sites like the rest of the country. Considering that Bournemouth is a town proud of painting out cycle lanes and Poole has put all the planning obligation money into a ridiculous bridge project that has done nothing to reduce traffic jams we are hardly the most up to date on anything. What is it about the BH postcode that attracts such backwards people? ashleycross
  • Score: -2

8:55pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Marty Caine says...

ashleycross wrote:
Why is this news? Same thing every year because the councillors in both towns choose to use car parks and open spaces for travellers sites instead of putting in proper sites like the rest of the country. Considering that Bournemouth is a town proud of painting out cycle lanes and Poole has put all the planning obligation money into a ridiculous bridge project that has done nothing to reduce traffic jams we are hardly the most up to date on anything. What is it about the BH postcode that attracts such backwards people?
Do you have any examples of those towns that have solved their problems by putting in proper sites? The ones I have heard of turned out to be white elephants because the travelers simply refuse to use them.
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: Why is this news? Same thing every year because the councillors in both towns choose to use car parks and open spaces for travellers sites instead of putting in proper sites like the rest of the country. Considering that Bournemouth is a town proud of painting out cycle lanes and Poole has put all the planning obligation money into a ridiculous bridge project that has done nothing to reduce traffic jams we are hardly the most up to date on anything. What is it about the BH postcode that attracts such backwards people?[/p][/quote]Do you have any examples of those towns that have solved their problems by putting in proper sites? The ones I have heard of turned out to be white elephants because the travelers simply refuse to use them. Marty Caine
  • Score: 0

9:19pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Marty Caine says...

S,Bowes wrote:
Marty Caine wrote:
Yankee1 wrote:
We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........

You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper...........



........

People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.
Not taking the P...... But.....

Maybe the Echo should do a story on you, it is quite unique to find an American that actually knows about something that is going on outside their own country, most don't have a clue about what is going on outside their own state.

;)
Being built like a 5'2" doorstop does not entitle you to be rude .as well as overbearing
You need to go to specsavers, I'm 6ft 1"
[quote][p][bold]S,Bowes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........ You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper........... ........ People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.[/p][/quote]Not taking the P...... But..... Maybe the Echo should do a story on you, it is quite unique to find an American that actually knows about something that is going on outside their own country, most don't have a clue about what is going on outside their own state. ;)[/p][/quote]Being built like a 5'2" doorstop does not entitle you to be rude .as well as overbearing[/p][/quote]You need to go to specsavers, I'm 6ft 1" Marty Caine
  • Score: -4

9:45pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Marty Caine says...

cromwell9 wrote:
MJD wrote:
Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.
The only party that will sort it out is UKIP .the others are a waist of time.
This is not a problem any councillor can sort out, no matter what party they are in. It needs a change in the law and that can only be done through Parliament.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.[/p][/quote]The only party that will sort it out is UKIP .the others are a waist of time.[/p][/quote]This is not a problem any councillor can sort out, no matter what party they are in. It needs a change in the law and that can only be done through Parliament. Marty Caine
  • Score: 3

10:36pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Babybop says...

What annoys me is that they can't build plots for travellers to stay on but they can give houses to the thousands of immigrants that come in.
What annoys me is that they can't build plots for travellers to stay on but they can give houses to the thousands of immigrants that come in. Babybop
  • Score: -5

10:38pm Thu 7 Aug 14

adspacebroker says...

They are just a bunch of dirty wasters that are being entertained by US
They are just a bunch of dirty wasters that are being entertained by US adspacebroker
  • Score: 1

11:03pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

cromwell9 wrote:
MJD wrote:
Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.
The only party that will sort it out is UKIP .the others are a waist of time.
"a waist of time"

yes we need UKIP so we can sort out edukashun ... after Farage has taken his expenses first
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.[/p][/quote]The only party that will sort it out is UKIP .the others are a waist of time.[/p][/quote]"a waist of time" yes we need UKIP so we can sort out edukashun ... after Farage has taken his expenses first Bob49
  • Score: 5

11:06pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Driven says...

Groundhog day...again.
Groundhog day...again. Driven
  • Score: 2

11:12pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Mejulie1967 says...

Yankee1 wrote:
We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........

You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper...........

........

People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.
Im British and live in the USA and I just LOVE the way the Americans don't mess around...Why are we pussyfooting around these filthy rogues?
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........ You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper........... ........ People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.[/p][/quote]Im British and live in the USA and I just LOVE the way the Americans don't mess around...Why are we pussyfooting around these filthy rogues? Mejulie1967
  • Score: 4

12:38am Fri 8 Aug 14

Redgolfer says...

Seeing as the Cotland Road site is privately owned, they can charge the travelers the parking fee of £4.00 per day, who is going to collect it though ???
Seeing as the Cotland Road site is privately owned, they can charge the travelers the parking fee of £4.00 per day, who is going to collect it though ??? Redgolfer
  • Score: 0

6:53am Fri 8 Aug 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

retry69 wrote:
Letcommonsenseprevai

l
wrote:
Stop voting for mealy-mouthed local councillors / politicians whose only interest is in themselves and not the people they represent, and the problem will be sorted. Next time you vote, vote wisely.........
The only wise vote at the moment is a no vote which will convey to the gutless people who stand for election that the public you are meant to represent have had enough.In the case of travellers it's no good harping back to how one judge or whatever caused this it's what been done since by local councillors at that amounts to very little.
Because local councillors rarely put other people's interests before their own.
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: Stop voting for mealy-mouthed local councillors / politicians whose only interest is in themselves and not the people they represent, and the problem will be sorted. Next time you vote, vote wisely.........[/p][/quote]The only wise vote at the moment is a no vote which will convey to the gutless people who stand for election that the public you are meant to represent have had enough.In the case of travellers it's no good harping back to how one judge or whatever caused this it's what been done since by local councillors at that amounts to very little.[/p][/quote]Because local councillors rarely put other people's interests before their own. Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 0

7:54am Fri 8 Aug 14

S,Bowes says...

Do what they did to get a resolution concerning party houses,get the local MP to write to the Enviroment minister Eric Pickles ,he seem to know the rights of law abiding citizens when IT comes to their lives being made a misery due the apathy of those that we thought were in place to protect us
Do what they did to get a resolution concerning party houses,get the local MP to write to the Enviroment minister Eric Pickles ,he seem to know the rights of law abiding citizens when IT comes to their lives being made a misery due the apathy of those that we thought were in place to protect us S,Bowes
  • Score: 1

8:07am Fri 8 Aug 14

retry69 says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Letcommonsenseprevai


l
wrote:
Stop voting for mealy-mouthed local councillors / politicians whose only interest is in themselves and not the people they represent, and the problem will be sorted. Next time you vote, vote wisely.........
The only wise vote at the moment is a no vote which will convey to the gutless people who stand for election that the public you are meant to represent have had enough.In the case of travellers it's no good harping back to how one judge or whatever caused this it's what been done since by local councillors at that amounts to very little.
Because local councillors rarely put other people's interests before their own.
Yes I agree but people are still voting for them and half of the people I have spoken to have no idea who they are voting for, its a case of they feel obliged to vote for someone as it has always been the correct thing to do.Well it's got to change especially for the elderly and vulnerable who at all times get the worse end of the deals and by non-voting those that stand might start realising they need to change their priorities.This last visit at Slades Farm of the mobs,some of the elderly residents were too scared to go out of their own front door,that in this day and age is unacceptable and the local councillors must take the responsibility for that.
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: Stop voting for mealy-mouthed local councillors / politicians whose only interest is in themselves and not the people they represent, and the problem will be sorted. Next time you vote, vote wisely.........[/p][/quote]The only wise vote at the moment is a no vote which will convey to the gutless people who stand for election that the public you are meant to represent have had enough.In the case of travellers it's no good harping back to how one judge or whatever caused this it's what been done since by local councillors at that amounts to very little.[/p][/quote]Because local councillors rarely put other people's interests before their own.[/p][/quote]Yes I agree but people are still voting for them and half of the people I have spoken to have no idea who they are voting for, its a case of they feel obliged to vote for someone as it has always been the correct thing to do.Well it's got to change especially for the elderly and vulnerable who at all times get the worse end of the deals and by non-voting those that stand might start realising they need to change their priorities.This last visit at Slades Farm of the mobs,some of the elderly residents were too scared to go out of their own front door,that in this day and age is unacceptable and the local councillors must take the responsibility for that. retry69
  • Score: 3

8:33am Fri 8 Aug 14

alasdair1967 says...

Now broken in overnight creek moor park and ride ripped fence down to gain access enterance and exits blocked by concrete barriers p
Now broken in overnight creek moor park and ride ripped fence down to gain access enterance and exits blocked by concrete barriers p alasdair1967
  • Score: 1

8:35am Fri 8 Aug 14

susi.m says...

MJD wrote:
Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.
As I have said on here previously.
From what I have heard and from what I know Lib Dem councillors in Poole are more Traveller friendly than the Conservatives.
The main problem is that a change in the law that Tony Blair and his lot brought in needs to be changed.
People need to lobby their MP's about this.
[quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.[/p][/quote]As I have said on here previously. From what I have heard and from what I know Lib Dem councillors in Poole are more Traveller friendly than the Conservatives. The main problem is that a change in the law that Tony Blair and his lot brought in needs to be changed. People need to lobby their MP's about this. susi.m
  • Score: 0

8:35am Fri 8 Aug 14

Kiki1973 says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
Kiki1973 wrote:
I just don't understand this at all. Irrespective of ethnicity, protected or not, they are breaking the law, so arrest them. There is no issue on this. Until there is a traveller park, built for this purpose, they are not legally entitled to be where they are and that surely means arrests? How is this not a black and white issue? Forget going to court for orders, just arrest, detain, fine and move them on. Just like you would with anyone else.
The problem quoted is proving which one of them breaks in. Seems they can't be prosecuted for collective responsibility.
That would be true for the criminal damage aspect, i agree, but by being there, they are all trespassing.
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kiki1973[/bold] wrote: I just don't understand this at all. Irrespective of ethnicity, protected or not, they are breaking the law, so arrest them. There is no issue on this. Until there is a traveller park, built for this purpose, they are not legally entitled to be where they are and that surely means arrests? How is this not a black and white issue? Forget going to court for orders, just arrest, detain, fine and move them on. Just like you would with anyone else.[/p][/quote]The problem quoted is proving which one of them breaks in. Seems they can't be prosecuted for collective responsibility.[/p][/quote]That would be true for the criminal damage aspect, i agree, but by being there, they are all trespassing. Kiki1973
  • Score: 0

8:37am Fri 8 Aug 14

susi.m says...

Babybop wrote:
What annoys me is that they can't build plots for travellers to stay on but they can give houses to the thousands of immigrants that come in.
Most of these travellers have houses too they just want to move around in the summer.
[quote][p][bold]Babybop[/bold] wrote: What annoys me is that they can't build plots for travellers to stay on but they can give houses to the thousands of immigrants that come in.[/p][/quote]Most of these travellers have houses too they just want to move around in the summer. susi.m
  • Score: 3

8:41am Fri 8 Aug 14

whataboutthat says...

Moving on to the next click bait story - Creekmoor park n' ride (deceased)
Moving on to the next click bait story - Creekmoor park n' ride (deceased) whataboutthat
  • Score: 0

8:44am Fri 8 Aug 14

Marty Caine says...

susi.m wrote:
MJD wrote:
Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.
As I have said on here previously.
From what I have heard and from what I know Lib Dem councillors in Poole are more Traveller friendly than the Conservatives.
The main problem is that a change in the law that Tony Blair and his lot brought in needs to be changed.
People need to lobby their MP's about this.
Tony Blair did not bring in this ruling is was a Judge having a bad day that gave them ethnic status. A petition start 5 months ago to overturn that ruling has so far achieved 120 signatures, that is hardly going to shake the Houses of Parliament is it.

http://epetitions.di
rect.gov.uk/petition
s/61822
[quote][p][bold]susi.m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.[/p][/quote]As I have said on here previously. From what I have heard and from what I know Lib Dem councillors in Poole are more Traveller friendly than the Conservatives. The main problem is that a change in the law that Tony Blair and his lot brought in needs to be changed. People need to lobby their MP's about this.[/p][/quote]Tony Blair did not bring in this ruling is was a Judge having a bad day that gave them ethnic status. A petition start 5 months ago to overturn that ruling has so far achieved 120 signatures, that is hardly going to shake the Houses of Parliament is it. http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/61822 Marty Caine
  • Score: 0

10:42am Fri 8 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

Marty Caine wrote:
susi.m wrote:
MJD wrote:
Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.
As I have said on here previously.
From what I have heard and from what I know Lib Dem councillors in Poole are more Traveller friendly than the Conservatives.
The main problem is that a change in the law that Tony Blair and his lot brought in needs to be changed.
People need to lobby their MP's about this.
Tony Blair did not bring in this ruling is was a Judge having a bad day that gave them ethnic status. A petition start 5 months ago to overturn that ruling has so far achieved 120 signatures, that is hardly going to shake the Houses of Parliament is it.

http://epetitions.di

rect.gov.uk/petition

s/61822
Only 99,880 signatures to go then before it even gets debated.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]susi.m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.[/p][/quote]As I have said on here previously. From what I have heard and from what I know Lib Dem councillors in Poole are more Traveller friendly than the Conservatives. The main problem is that a change in the law that Tony Blair and his lot brought in needs to be changed. People need to lobby their MP's about this.[/p][/quote]Tony Blair did not bring in this ruling is was a Judge having a bad day that gave them ethnic status. A petition start 5 months ago to overturn that ruling has so far achieved 120 signatures, that is hardly going to shake the Houses of Parliament is it. http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/61822[/p][/quote]Only 99,880 signatures to go then before it even gets debated. Carolyn43
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5:11pm Fri 8 Aug 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Marty Caine wrote:
S,Bowes wrote:
Marty Caine wrote:
Yankee1 wrote:
We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........

You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper...........




........

People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.
Not taking the P...... But.....

Maybe the Echo should do a story on you, it is quite unique to find an American that actually knows about something that is going on outside their own country, most don't have a clue about what is going on outside their own state.

;)
Being built like a 5'2" doorstop does not entitle you to be rude .as well as overbearing
You need to go to specsavers, I'm 6ft 1"
Ok 6,1" and rude
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S,Bowes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: We are in hysterics about this, in the States. We do not want to take the ****, but........ You people really are mugs, aren't you? And when is 'traveler' a racial group? Romany Gypsies are. Not 'travelers'. How many of these folk are Romany Gypsies? That would be a good story to pursue for the Echo, if it were a real newspaper........... ........ People who trespass are trespassers. End of story. No racially protected group is licensed to break the law. Unless you fall for the lie.[/p][/quote]Not taking the P...... But..... Maybe the Echo should do a story on you, it is quite unique to find an American that actually knows about something that is going on outside their own country, most don't have a clue about what is going on outside their own state. ;)[/p][/quote]Being built like a 5'2" doorstop does not entitle you to be rude .as well as overbearing[/p][/quote]You need to go to specsavers, I'm 6ft 1"[/p][/quote]Ok 6,1" and rude kalebmoledirt
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7:05pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Wageslave says...

loftusrod wrote:
Check out the sign at the entrance to the Cotlands Road car park.
No Camping
No Caravans
No Cooking.
No Trailers
No Sleeping
In fact, just about everything these people are doing.
The sign then goes on to point out the penalty charge.
I wonder if they've been given tickets.......
Why not just park right next to them, you can avoid a ticket too.
[quote][p][bold]loftusrod[/bold] wrote: Check out the sign at the entrance to the Cotlands Road car park. No Camping No Caravans No Cooking. No Trailers No Sleeping In fact, just about everything these people are doing. The sign then goes on to point out the penalty charge. I wonder if they've been given tickets.......[/p][/quote]Why not just park right next to them, you can avoid a ticket too. Wageslave
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10:40am Sun 10 Aug 14

thevoiceofreason1 says...

sea poole wrote:
whataboutthat -Give your address and I'm sure the travellers would like to pay you a nice visit!
what a dick!
[quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: whataboutthat -Give your address and I'm sure the travellers would like to pay you a nice visit![/p][/quote]what a dick! thevoiceofreason1
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5:32pm Sun 10 Aug 14

SeeTheBee says...

dustbindanny wrote:
Hi ECHO, is it not possible for your Paper to ask Mr Martin Underhill for an interview with regards too these ' so called Travellers' not being checked if they are Legitimate , Cars, Vans, Mobile Homes Taxed etc, and to ask him why the tax Payer is penalised for any misdeamenour ,but Dorset Police seem afraid to act against these people?
A very reasonable request.

He has time for"Residents quiz crime commissioner at Boscombe meeting" (Echo, August 6) where “Mr Underhill told the meeting: It’s frustrating for people. I understand that. We are working hard to try and resolve it. We must have a 101 service that works, otherwise people won’t have confidence in their police force.”

I can only guess what determines his priorities.
[quote][p][bold]dustbindanny[/bold] wrote: Hi ECHO, is it not possible for your Paper to ask Mr Martin Underhill for an interview with regards too these ' so called Travellers' not being checked if they are Legitimate , Cars, Vans, Mobile Homes Taxed etc, and to ask him why the tax Payer is penalised for any misdeamenour ,but Dorset Police seem afraid to act against these people?[/p][/quote]A very reasonable request. He has time for"Residents quiz crime commissioner at Boscombe meeting" (Echo, August 6) where “Mr Underhill told the meeting: It’s frustrating for people. I understand that. We are working hard to try and resolve it. We must have a 101 service that works, otherwise people won’t have confidence in their police force.” I can only guess what determines his priorities. SeeTheBee
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11:04am Mon 11 Aug 14

dontrews says...

Put barriers up like we have in Bournemouth so all the legitimate tax paying citizens can't get in to any of the car parks in a high top van or motorhome . Make life crap for everybody because they wont sort out a bunch of EU protected bums. Since when is a traveller a different race?
Presumably, if the Scots become "independent" they will then instantly become a separate race.
Wot a load of old balderdash.
Bring back national service and the cane I say, major.
Put barriers up like we have in Bournemouth so all the legitimate tax paying citizens can't get in to any of the car parks in a high top van or motorhome . Make life crap for everybody because they wont sort out a bunch of EU protected bums. Since when is a traveller a different race? Presumably, if the Scots become "independent" they will then instantly become a separate race. Wot a load of old balderdash. Bring back national service and the cane I say, major. dontrews
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9:59am Wed 20 Aug 14

justsayithowitis says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
Marty Caine wrote:
susi.m wrote:
MJD wrote:
Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.
As I have said on here previously.
From what I have heard and from what I know Lib Dem councillors in Poole are more Traveller friendly than the Conservatives.
The main problem is that a change in the law that Tony Blair and his lot brought in needs to be changed.
People need to lobby their MP's about this.
Tony Blair did not bring in this ruling is was a Judge having a bad day that gave them ethnic status. A petition start 5 months ago to overturn that ruling has so far achieved 120 signatures, that is hardly going to shake the Houses of Parliament is it.

http://epetitions.di


rect.gov.uk/petition


s/61822
Only 99,880 signatures to go then before it even gets debated.
Still better than your idea of waiting for a multi millionaire who will pay to sort out a problem that doesn't affect him/her
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]susi.m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Well just stop voting the Conservative councillors back in. You might get something done right with another party in control of the council.[/p][/quote]As I have said on here previously. From what I have heard and from what I know Lib Dem councillors in Poole are more Traveller friendly than the Conservatives. The main problem is that a change in the law that Tony Blair and his lot brought in needs to be changed. People need to lobby their MP's about this.[/p][/quote]Tony Blair did not bring in this ruling is was a Judge having a bad day that gave them ethnic status. A petition start 5 months ago to overturn that ruling has so far achieved 120 signatures, that is hardly going to shake the Houses of Parliament is it. http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/61822[/p][/quote]Only 99,880 signatures to go then before it even gets debated.[/p][/quote]Still better than your idea of waiting for a multi millionaire who will pay to sort out a problem that doesn't affect him/her justsayithowitis
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