Bournemouth MP Tobias Ellwood to visit Middle East in Foreign Office role

Bournemouth MP Tobias Ellwood to visit the Middle East in Foreign Office role

Bournemouth MP Tobias Ellwood to visit the Middle East in Foreign Office role

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BOURNEMOUTH EAST MP Tobias Ellwood is to visit the troubled Middle East soon in his role as a new foreign office minister.

Mr Ellwood was appointed by David Cameron in the recent reshuffle and has the Middle East as one of his ministerial responsibilities.

Speaking after Tuesday’s resignation of Baroness Warsi over the Israel-Gaza crisis, the MP told the Daily Echo that he “shared her concern over some of the things we have been seeing on our television screens.”

He is also worried by the scale of the conflict, he said.

“I don’t accept her criticisms of the government but I have raised concerns about some of the things that have happened, especially the boys who were killed on the beach.

“I note there is to be a full United Nations investigation.”

Mr Ellwood, a former British Army officer said he would be going to the region shortly to see the situation on the ground himself, though he could not confirm if the visit would include Israel and Gaza.

“I know all MPs have had lots of correspondence about the situation and I have personally passed all mine to the Israeli authorities and sought assurances.”

He said a permanent solution had to be achieved. “We can’t keep returning to this level of violence every couple of years.”

Solid progress need to be made because Gaza would be unliveable by 2018 and Israeli citizens needed to be free from rocket attacks – around 147 a day.

In her letter to the prime minister, Lady Warsi said: “My view has been that our policy in relation to the Middle East Peace Process generally but more recently our approach and language during the current crisis in Gaza is morally indefensible, is not in Britain’s national interest and will have a long-term detrimental impact on our reputation internationally and domestically.”

Her decision to resign followed criticism from several Conservative MPs that Israel’s response to rocket attacks by Hamas militants had been “disproportionate.”

Lady Warsi said there was “unease” among Tory backbenchers and “concern” at ministerial level and leading Liberal Democrats have today called for the suspension of arms export licences to Israel.

As a result of the resignation, Mr Ellwood has also been given FO responsibility for North Africa.

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10:51am Wed 6 Aug 14

Hessenford says...

He should learn even more ways of how to destroy a town then.
He should learn even more ways of how to destroy a town then. Hessenford
  • Score: 11

10:53am Wed 6 Aug 14

anotherfatslob says...

He will be no use to anyone,he already is,but will be more so.
He will be no use to anyone,he already is,but will be more so. anotherfatslob
  • Score: 11

10:55am Wed 6 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

Hessenford wrote:
He should learn even more ways of how to destroy a town then.
I understand the Israelis are interested in learning ways of destroying towns and making nice fat profits out of doing so.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: He should learn even more ways of how to destroy a town then.[/p][/quote]I understand the Israelis are interested in learning ways of destroying towns and making nice fat profits out of doing so. speedy231278
  • Score: 10

11:09am Wed 6 Aug 14

contric says...

drop into libya afterwards to see the mess cameron and you lot in parliament have made there
drop into libya afterwards to see the mess cameron and you lot in parliament have made there contric
  • Score: 26

11:55am Wed 6 Aug 14

bobthedestroyer says...

{Insert deity} help them!
{Insert deity} help them! bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 7

12:02pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Hessenford says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
He should learn even more ways of how to destroy a town then.
I understand the Israelis are interested in learning ways of destroying towns and making nice fat profits out of doing so.
Any of them sit on Bournemouth Council.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: He should learn even more ways of how to destroy a town then.[/p][/quote]I understand the Israelis are interested in learning ways of destroying towns and making nice fat profits out of doing so.[/p][/quote]Any of them sit on Bournemouth Council. Hessenford
  • Score: 3

12:14pm Wed 6 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

Hessenford wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
He should learn even more ways of how to destroy a town then.
I understand the Israelis are interested in learning ways of destroying towns and making nice fat profits out of doing so.
Any of them sit on Bournemouth Council.
Maybe they'll have an exchange visit like other schoolkids do?
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: He should learn even more ways of how to destroy a town then.[/p][/quote]I understand the Israelis are interested in learning ways of destroying towns and making nice fat profits out of doing so.[/p][/quote]Any of them sit on Bournemouth Council.[/p][/quote]Maybe they'll have an exchange visit like other schoolkids do? speedy231278
  • Score: 1

12:53pm Wed 6 Aug 14

twynhamob says...

To get a real understanding of the situation commonsense dictates that he should have gone, or go, when the rockets are dropping, not when it is SAFE to do so. Oh, Commonsense + Politician = ??
To get a real understanding of the situation commonsense dictates that he should have gone, or go, when the rockets are dropping, not when it is SAFE to do so. Oh, Commonsense + Politician = ?? twynhamob
  • Score: 3

1:20pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Wageslave says...

This was started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If mortars were being fired on Bournemouth from Poole would we not fight back. Keep all our MPs out of what does not affect us. Have you learnt nothing from the BLiar years .
This was started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If mortars were being fired on Bournemouth from Poole would we not fight back. Keep all our MPs out of what does not affect us. Have you learnt nothing from the BLiar years . Wageslave
  • Score: -8

1:30pm Wed 6 Aug 14

whataboutthat says...

"As a result of the resignation, (warsi's) Mr Ellwood has also been given FO responsibility for Afghanistan, Pakistan and the wider region, as well as the Middle East and North Africa."
SUPERMAN!
"As a result of the resignation, (warsi's) Mr Ellwood has also been given FO responsibility for Afghanistan, Pakistan and the wider region, as well as the Middle East and North Africa." SUPERMAN! whataboutthat
  • Score: 3

2:01pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Anneaa says...

whataboutthat wrote:
"As a result of the resignation, (warsi's) Mr Ellwood has also been given FO responsibility for Afghanistan, Pakistan and the wider region, as well as the Middle East and North Africa." SUPERMAN!
I dont think!! Wait for the problems to get worse!
[quote][p][bold]whataboutthat[/bold] wrote: "As a result of the resignation, (warsi's) Mr Ellwood has also been given FO responsibility for Afghanistan, Pakistan and the wider region, as well as the Middle East and North Africa." SUPERMAN![/p][/quote]I dont think!! Wait for the problems to get worse! Anneaa
  • Score: 3

2:11pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Por Speller says...

Wageslave wrote:
This was started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If mortars were being fired on Bournemouth from Poole would we not fight back. Keep all our MPs out of what does not affect us. Have you learnt nothing from the BLiar years .
This was not started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If I was defending myself, I would not kill my aggressor's wife and children. That would be murder, and it would make me the aggressor.
We are all affected by inhumanity. We should speak out and act against it.
[quote][p][bold]Wageslave[/bold] wrote: This was started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If mortars were being fired on Bournemouth from Poole would we not fight back. Keep all our MPs out of what does not affect us. Have you learnt nothing from the BLiar years .[/p][/quote]This was not started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If I was defending myself, I would not kill my aggressor's wife and children. That would be murder, and it would make me the aggressor. We are all affected by inhumanity. We should speak out and act against it. Por Speller
  • Score: 11

2:21pm Wed 6 Aug 14

BIGTONE says...

Get your tin hat and flak jacket on.
Get your tin hat and flak jacket on. BIGTONE
  • Score: 0

2:50pm Wed 6 Aug 14

twynhamob says...

Por Speller wrote:
Wageslave wrote:
This was started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If mortars were being fired on Bournemouth from Poole would we not fight back. Keep all our MPs out of what does not affect us. Have you learnt nothing from the BLiar years .
This was not started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If I was defending myself, I would not kill my aggressor's wife and children. That would be murder, and it would make me the aggressor.
We are all affected by inhumanity. We should speak out and act against it.
I see you speaking out against it - in a forum that is of no real consequence, so my question to you is: Just WHAT have YOU DONE?
Thought so !
[quote][p][bold]Por Speller[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wageslave[/bold] wrote: This was started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If mortars were being fired on Bournemouth from Poole would we not fight back. Keep all our MPs out of what does not affect us. Have you learnt nothing from the BLiar years .[/p][/quote]This was not started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If I was defending myself, I would not kill my aggressor's wife and children. That would be murder, and it would make me the aggressor. We are all affected by inhumanity. We should speak out and act against it.[/p][/quote]I see you speaking out against it - in a forum that is of no real consequence, so my question to you is: Just WHAT have YOU DONE? Thought so ! twynhamob
  • Score: -3

3:03pm Wed 6 Aug 14

The Liberal says...

Wageslave wrote:
This was started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If mortars were being fired on Bournemouth from Poole would we not fight back. Keep all our MPs out of what does not affect us. Have you learnt nothing from the BLiar years .
No, Bournemouth would not fight back and, in particular, it would not blow up the houses of innocent civilians in Poole. I would expect the perpetrators would be arrested and tried in a court of law. That is the civilised way of doing things.
 
Obviously, things are slightly different when you have rockets being fired from a different state. However, since Israel doesn't even recognise the Palestinian state and is in de facto military control of Gaza, surely it has a duty to protect innocent civilians there?
[quote][p][bold]Wageslave[/bold] wrote: This was started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If mortars were being fired on Bournemouth from Poole would we not fight back. Keep all our MPs out of what does not affect us. Have you learnt nothing from the BLiar years .[/p][/quote]No, Bournemouth would not fight back and, in particular, it would not blow up the houses of innocent civilians in Poole. I would expect the perpetrators would be arrested and tried in a court of law. That is the civilised way of doing things.   Obviously, things are slightly different when you have rockets being fired from a different state. However, since Israel doesn't even recognise the Palestinian state and is in de facto military control of Gaza, surely it has a duty to protect innocent civilians there? The Liberal
  • Score: 7

3:14pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Rally says...

Wageslave wrote:
This was started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If mortars were being fired on Bournemouth from Poole would we not fight back. Keep all our MPs out of what does not affect us. Have you learnt nothing from the BLiar years .
Around 56% of the world's oil reserves are in the Middle East - hence, perhaps, the Western World poking its nose into Arab/Israeli/Palesti
nian/Shiite/Sunni et al affairs.
[quote][p][bold]Wageslave[/bold] wrote: This was started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If mortars were being fired on Bournemouth from Poole would we not fight back. Keep all our MPs out of what does not affect us. Have you learnt nothing from the BLiar years .[/p][/quote]Around 56% of the world's oil reserves are in the Middle East - hence, perhaps, the Western World poking its nose into Arab/Israeli/Palesti nian/Shiite/Sunni et al affairs. Rally
  • Score: 3

3:20pm Wed 6 Aug 14

dvdr says...

Yet another instant expert! All MPs seem to think they know it all, and are never shy at showing their mental emptiness.
Yet another instant expert! All MPs seem to think they know it all, and are never shy at showing their mental emptiness. dvdr
  • Score: 9

3:49pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Glashen says...

Wageslave wrote:
This was started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If mortars were being fired on Bournemouth from Poole would we not fight back. Keep all our MPs out of what does not affect us. Have you learnt nothing from the BLiar years .
It goes back rather further than that, doesn't it and they do have a right to defend themselves but that defence must be reasonable and many of us who do have sympathy for Israel are now saddened that their present response cannot be classed as reasonable. Finally the idea that this does not affect us and that we do not have both a practical and moral duty to try to influence both sides is frankly laughable particular when we are supplying arms to Israel.
[quote][p][bold]Wageslave[/bold] wrote: This was started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If mortars were being fired on Bournemouth from Poole would we not fight back. Keep all our MPs out of what does not affect us. Have you learnt nothing from the BLiar years .[/p][/quote]It goes back rather further than that, doesn't it and they do have a right to defend themselves but that defence must be reasonable and many of us who do have sympathy for Israel are now saddened that their present response cannot be classed as reasonable. Finally the idea that this does not affect us and that we do not have both a practical and moral duty to try to influence both sides is frankly laughable particular when we are supplying arms to Israel. Glashen
  • Score: 11

4:06pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Marcus James says...

Fair play to her for actually standing up for what she believes in rather than thinking about her salary.
It is a shame that our politicians and business leaders are so scared of the Israeli / Jewish community whose members seem to run through all levels of power in virtually every organisation around the world with nobody feeling that they can speak out against them.
For a race that was persecuted and chased from their land they do not seem to have learnt anything.
Fair play to her for actually standing up for what she believes in rather than thinking about her salary. It is a shame that our politicians and business leaders are so scared of the Israeli / Jewish community whose members seem to run through all levels of power in virtually every organisation around the world with nobody feeling that they can speak out against them. For a race that was persecuted and chased from their land they do not seem to have learnt anything. Marcus James
  • Score: 3

4:36pm Wed 6 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

The Liberal wrote:
Wageslave wrote:
This was started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If mortars were being fired on Bournemouth from Poole would we not fight back. Keep all our MPs out of what does not affect us. Have you learnt nothing from the BLiar years .
No, Bournemouth would not fight back and, in particular, it would not blow up the houses of innocent civilians in Poole. I would expect the perpetrators would be arrested and tried in a court of law. That is the civilised way of doing things.
 
Obviously, things are slightly different when you have rockets being fired from a different state. However, since Israel doesn't even recognise the Palestinian state and is in de facto military control of Gaza, surely it has a duty to protect innocent civilians there?
Erm, actually, it is Palestine that refuses to recognise Israel, and Hamas whose goal is the eradication of Israel and all inhabitants. If Israel did not recognise Palestine, how would they have ceded various areas of land back to them over the last decade or so?
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wageslave[/bold] wrote: This was started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If mortars were being fired on Bournemouth from Poole would we not fight back. Keep all our MPs out of what does not affect us. Have you learnt nothing from the BLiar years .[/p][/quote]No, Bournemouth would not fight back and, in particular, it would not blow up the houses of innocent civilians in Poole. I would expect the perpetrators would be arrested and tried in a court of law. That is the civilised way of doing things.   Obviously, things are slightly different when you have rockets being fired from a different state. However, since Israel doesn't even recognise the Palestinian state and is in de facto military control of Gaza, surely it has a duty to protect innocent civilians there?[/p][/quote]Erm, actually, it is Palestine that refuses to recognise Israel, and Hamas whose goal is the eradication of Israel and all inhabitants. If Israel did not recognise Palestine, how would they have ceded various areas of land back to them over the last decade or so? speedy231278
  • Score: 1

5:05pm Wed 6 Aug 14

caapprentice says...

Marcus James says... Fair play to her for actually standing up for what she believes in rather than thinking about her salary.

I somehow don't think that she will be applying to get Jobseeker's Allowance and low income benefits.
Marcus James says... Fair play to her for actually standing up for what she believes in rather than thinking about her salary. I somehow don't think that she will be applying to get Jobseeker's Allowance and low income benefits. caapprentice
  • Score: 2

5:59pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Mike_French says...

I would start looking a bit closer to home Mr Ellwood...........
I would start looking a bit closer to home Mr Ellwood........... Mike_French
  • Score: 5

6:22pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Glashen says...

directtalk wrote:
Warsi is the token non indigenous female who was elevated to a position of influence solely because of her pakistani muslim status, by a corrupt system called British politics. Who do these politicians think they are kidding? It's not the majority of the indigenous British public who can see through this deceit, its only themselves in the belief that they can hoodwink people to vote for them.
The IRA say that they only got the British Government to negotiate with them was because of the threat and potential of ruining Britain's financial institutions at Canary Wharf by bombing it out of existence and the British Government was terrified of the repercussions of losing London's financial dominance in the world. And look at the result of those so-called negotiations. Total capitulation. The IRA got everything they ever wanted. Through terrorism.
Instead of giving in to them the British should have declared war on Irish terrorism (not just let the IRA declared war on Britain) and properly taken the war to them with the RAF bombing every building occupied or possessed by them an their supporters by using the product of surveillance and intelligence . . . Just like the Israelis have done in their war.
Ill-informed and wrong on Israel - Warsi is no loss. Sayeeda WARSI resigned from the Cabinet yesterday. And right up to the end, Baroness Token demonstrated her ability to position herself on the wrong side of every argument.
When David Cameron appointed Baroness Warsi his minister for faith and communities, he presumably hoped she would do her bit to improve social cohesion between Britain's Muslim community and the rest of the country. Instead she has been one of the main impediments to Cameron's war on Islamic extremism, not least through her bizarre insistence that the real problem was "Islamophobia" rather than, say, the 7/7 bombers or the jihadists who murdered Drummer Lee Rigby.
Her views on the Israel/Gaza conflict are similarly ill-informed. Surely if anything is "morally indefensible" about the government's "approach and language" on Gaza it is that it has taken the side of the aggressors rather than the victims. Hamas started this war by firing hundreds of rockets indiscriminately across the border.
Gaza must be a horrible place to live - even when it's not being shelled. But this is the consequence of being an Islamofascist state, run by a brutal terrorist organisation - Hamas - which is suicidally committed by charter to the destruction of its neighbour Israel and which doesn't seem to care how many of its people get killed in the process.
Previously, when Israel partially lifted its blockade to allow through concrete and other building materials, instead of being used for schools, hospitals and apartment blocks, much of this material ended up being diverted into building a labyrinthine tunnel network. The purpose of these tunnels - many built with child labour and resulting by Hamas's own admission in the deaths of at least 160 children - was partly for smuggling, partly for terror.
The Israeli military is doing everything possible to minimise civilian casualties, even to the point of jeopardising its own troops. Before it blows up a building it first issues warnings to the occupants by phone, text and radio message. Then it uses sensors to check there are no people present. Then it fires non-lethal warning shots. Only then does it destroy the target.
Of course there are occasions when things go badly wrong, such as the four Palestinian boys killed on the beach. But civilian casualties are simply not in Israel's interests - one reason it takes pains to avoid them. For Hamas on the other hand these deaths are a propaganda coup. That's why it will often prevent its own citizens taking cover in bomb shelters and instead herd them towards target areas - as human shields to protect their missiles or as prospective victims to be paraded on the front of newspapers by Hamas's handwringers in certain parts of the Western media who are only too keen to push their propaganda.
Remarkable that you accept as verbatim truth the word of the IRA and The Israeli government but characterise the western media within which I would suspect you include the BBC pushers of HAMAS propaganda. I do think the resignation of Baroness Warsi is bad news for the Conservative party since it shows that in at least one opinion within their ranks they could be doing more to prevent the deaths in Gaza. The tragedy is that the present Israeli policy will not make their citizens safer that will only happen with negotiation and this policy makes it difficult for governments such as our own to pressure Hamas and Israel to negotiate.
[quote][p][bold]directtalk[/bold] wrote: Warsi is the token non indigenous female who was elevated to a position of influence solely because of her pakistani muslim status, by a corrupt system called British politics. Who do these politicians think they are kidding? It's not the majority of the indigenous British public who can see through this deceit, its only themselves in the belief that they can hoodwink people to vote for them. The IRA say that they only got the British Government to negotiate with them was because of the threat and potential of ruining Britain's financial institutions at Canary Wharf by bombing it out of existence and the British Government was terrified of the repercussions of losing London's financial dominance in the world. And look at the result of those so-called negotiations. Total capitulation. The IRA got everything they ever wanted. Through terrorism. Instead of giving in to them the British should have declared war on Irish terrorism (not just let the IRA declared war on Britain) and properly taken the war to them with the RAF bombing every building occupied or possessed by them an their supporters by using the product of surveillance and intelligence . . . Just like the Israelis have done in their war. Ill-informed and wrong on Israel - Warsi is no loss. Sayeeda WARSI resigned from the Cabinet yesterday. And right up to the end, Baroness Token demonstrated her ability to position herself on the wrong side of every argument. When David Cameron appointed Baroness Warsi his minister for faith and communities, he presumably hoped she would do her bit to improve social cohesion between Britain's Muslim community and the rest of the country. Instead she has been one of the main impediments to Cameron's war on Islamic extremism, not least through her bizarre insistence that the real problem was "Islamophobia" rather than, say, the 7/7 bombers or the jihadists who murdered Drummer Lee Rigby. Her views on the Israel/Gaza conflict are similarly ill-informed. Surely if anything is "morally indefensible" about the government's "approach and language" on Gaza it is that it has taken the side of the aggressors rather than the victims. Hamas started this war by firing hundreds of rockets indiscriminately across the border. Gaza must be a horrible place to live - even when it's not being shelled. But this is the consequence of being an Islamofascist state, run by a brutal terrorist organisation - Hamas - which is suicidally committed by charter to the destruction of its neighbour Israel and which doesn't seem to care how many of its people get killed in the process. Previously, when Israel partially lifted its blockade to allow through concrete and other building materials, instead of being used for schools, hospitals and apartment blocks, much of this material ended up being diverted into building a labyrinthine tunnel network. The purpose of these tunnels - many built with child labour and resulting by Hamas's own admission in the deaths of at least 160 children - was partly for smuggling, partly for terror. The Israeli military is doing everything possible to minimise civilian casualties, even to the point of jeopardising its own troops. Before it blows up a building it first issues warnings to the occupants by phone, text and radio message. Then it uses sensors to check there are no people present. Then it fires non-lethal warning shots. Only then does it destroy the target. Of course there are occasions when things go badly wrong, such as the four Palestinian boys killed on the beach. But civilian casualties are simply not in Israel's interests - one reason it takes pains to avoid them. For Hamas on the other hand these deaths are a propaganda coup. That's why it will often prevent its own citizens taking cover in bomb shelters and instead herd them towards target areas - as human shields to protect their missiles or as prospective victims to be paraded on the front of newspapers by Hamas's handwringers in certain parts of the Western media who are only too keen to push their propaganda.[/p][/quote]Remarkable that you accept as verbatim truth the word of the IRA and The Israeli government but characterise the western media within which I would suspect you include the BBC pushers of HAMAS propaganda. I do think the resignation of Baroness Warsi is bad news for the Conservative party since it shows that in at least one opinion within their ranks they could be doing more to prevent the deaths in Gaza. The tragedy is that the present Israeli policy will not make their citizens safer that will only happen with negotiation and this policy makes it difficult for governments such as our own to pressure Hamas and Israel to negotiate. Glashen
  • Score: -2

8:49pm Wed 6 Aug 14

twynhamob says...

Mike_French wrote:
I would start looking a bit closer to home Mr Ellwood...........
Just what do you mean?
Mr Ellwood, thinks Gaza is that bit of land between Weymouth and Portland! He watched the movie about the bouncing bomb, put two and two together and got? Guess his next job is the Exchequer.
[quote][p][bold]Mike_French[/bold] wrote: I would start looking a bit closer to home Mr Ellwood...........[/p][/quote]Just what do you mean? Mr Ellwood, thinks Gaza is that bit of land between Weymouth and Portland! He watched the movie about the bouncing bomb, put two and two together and got? Guess his next job is the Exchequer. twynhamob
  • Score: 2

8:50pm Wed 6 Aug 14

rubberbandman5 says...

I feel sorry for the children killed and maimed - what do they know of war and bombs! These are crimes against humanity.
I feel sorry for the children killed and maimed - what do they know of war and bombs! These are crimes against humanity. rubberbandman5
  • Score: 4

9:09pm Wed 6 Aug 14

The Liberal says...

speedy231278 wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
Wageslave wrote:
This was started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If mortars were being fired on Bournemouth from Poole would we not fight back. Keep all our MPs out of what does not affect us. Have you learnt nothing from the BLiar years .
No, Bournemouth would not fight back and, in particular, it would not blow up the houses of innocent civilians in Poole. I would expect the perpetrators would be arrested and tried in a court of law. That is the civilised way of doing things.
 
Obviously, things are slightly different when you have rockets being fired from a different state. However, since Israel doesn't even recognise the Palestinian state and is in de facto military control of Gaza, surely it has a duty to protect innocent civilians there?
Erm, actually, it is Palestine that refuses to recognise Israel, and Hamas whose goal is the eradication of Israel and all inhabitants. If Israel did not recognise Palestine, how would they have ceded various areas of land back to them over the last decade or so?
Well, Israel does not yet officially recognise Palestine’s right to exist as an independent state. You‘re correct about Hamas’s militant position, but Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas (leader of the Fatah party) has stated that he does recognise Israel – just not as a Jewish state.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wageslave[/bold] wrote: This was started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If mortars were being fired on Bournemouth from Poole would we not fight back. Keep all our MPs out of what does not affect us. Have you learnt nothing from the BLiar years .[/p][/quote]No, Bournemouth would not fight back and, in particular, it would not blow up the houses of innocent civilians in Poole. I would expect the perpetrators would be arrested and tried in a court of law. That is the civilised way of doing things.   Obviously, things are slightly different when you have rockets being fired from a different state. However, since Israel doesn't even recognise the Palestinian state and is in de facto military control of Gaza, surely it has a duty to protect innocent civilians there?[/p][/quote]Erm, actually, it is Palestine that refuses to recognise Israel, and Hamas whose goal is the eradication of Israel and all inhabitants. If Israel did not recognise Palestine, how would they have ceded various areas of land back to them over the last decade or so?[/p][/quote]Well, Israel does not yet officially recognise Palestine’s right to exist as an independent state. You‘re correct about Hamas’s militant position, but Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas (leader of the Fatah party) has stated that he does recognise Israel – just not as a Jewish state. The Liberal
  • Score: 3

8:32am Thu 7 Aug 14

Azphreal says...

Wageslave wrote:
This was started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If mortars were being fired on Bournemouth from Poole would we not fight back. Keep all our MPs out of what does not affect us. Have you learnt nothing from the BLiar years .
If Bournemouth was invading and taking sections of Poole and blockading the area i would expect them to fire missiles at Bournemouth. Do you really want to start playing tit for tat in these comments?
[quote][p][bold]Wageslave[/bold] wrote: This was started by the kidnap and killing of 3 young Israelis. If mortars were being fired on Bournemouth from Poole would we not fight back. Keep all our MPs out of what does not affect us. Have you learnt nothing from the BLiar years .[/p][/quote]If Bournemouth was invading and taking sections of Poole and blockading the area i would expect them to fire missiles at Bournemouth. Do you really want to start playing tit for tat in these comments? Azphreal
  • Score: 0

8:43am Thu 7 Aug 14

skydriver says...

So if he thinks hike he says he does then do the descent thing, make a stand and stand down and voice your objections a little stronger.
Although I doubt that will happen.
I say well done to Baroness Varsi, a woman of principle.unlike many other two faced people in politics.
So if he thinks hike he says he does then do the descent thing, make a stand and stand down and voice your objections a little stronger. Although I doubt that will happen. I say well done to Baroness Varsi, a woman of principle.unlike many other two faced people in politics. skydriver
  • Score: 1

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