Bournemouth West MP Conor Burns calls for change in the law to shut down illegal encampments faster

Travellers at Slades Farm earlier this week

MP Conor Burns and Bournemouth council leader John Beesley with

Clear-up operation at Slades Farm

Travellers at Turlin Moor

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A BOURNEMOUTH MP angered by the “intimidating” and “offensive” behaviour from travellers in Bournemouth is calling for changes in the law to shut down illegal encampments faster.

After receiving dozens of complaints about travellers at Slades Farm, Conor Burns, MP for Bournemouth West, has called for a collaboration between neighbouring authorities to introduce a permanent site in the region.

The call comes after the group at Slades Farm, who left on Thursday evening, reportedly urinated in the woods, left heaps of rubbish across the ground and intimidated security staff.

“I want to see the law tightened,” he said.

“I want to see the government get on and do what the government said in 2011 that it would do, which is to remove the requirement on a unitary authority like Bournemouth to have their own site before they can move them on and look for Bournemouth to have a collaborative arrangement with Dorset, Christchurch or Poole so we can have a facility that allows the council and the police immediately to move to get them off site, rather than having to go through this expensive and time consuming process to get to the point of eviction.”

On Thursday the MP criticized the police and the council saying more needed to be done to prevent travellers from intimidating council staff and local residents.

He said: “Security guards are sitting in their cars and doing nothing.

“The police could do a lot more than they are at the moment. The police were just driving around. What use is that to anyone?”

Earlier in the day he had called the camp an "insult to law abiding tax payers" in a tweet.

Speaking at Slades Farm on Thursday evening, the leader of Bournemouth Borough Council Cllr John Beesley said the council was “very confined” by the law on how it deals with illegal encampments.

Branding the behaviour of some of the travellers at the site as “disgusting”, Cllr Beasley said the council had acted quickly to evict the group, who were served with an eviction order yesterday.

He said the biggest problem the council faced was preventing future encampments.

He said: “The lockdown mechanism we employ is one where we do everything people could possibly be expected to do to prevent illegal incursions but we have got so much open space and so many open car parks that we could never safeguard all of them at one time.

“What we can do is safeguard the majority of them and employ security when we need it.”

A spokesman for the travellers said if a permanent site was introduced, the group would go their “gladly”.

He said: “Give us a permanent site and we will pull up on it.”

It's thought many of the travellers who were at Slades Farm have moved on to Turlin Moor.

DORSET POLICE RESPONSE

A statement issued by Dorset Police said: “As in all cases, it is the landowners responsibility, in this case Bournemouth Borough Council, to take the lead on managing unauthorised encampments.

“Dorset Police is responsible for any crime-related issues and community engagement between unauthorised encampments and the resident community. 

“The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 does provide police with powers to deal with unauthorised encampments, but only where exceptional criteria are met. 

“In broad terms, these are contingent upon damage and/or the commission of crime and where there is significant impact on the local community or user of the land.

“Police and local authorities have clear protocols relating to unauthorised encampments and, irrespective of whether statutory powers apply, work closely together to support landowners in exercising their common law rights, preventing crime and anti-social behaviour from taking place.”

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7:13am Sat 2 Aug 14

billy bumble says...

I REALLY don't understand this

I accept that with our current stupid laws moving them on is a problem

But these people are breaking all sorts of laws - why can't our useless police do something about it ?

Too scared i suppose

It really is a disgrace what has happened to this country's police forces
I REALLY don't understand this I accept that with our current stupid laws moving them on is a problem But these people are breaking all sorts of laws - why can't our useless police do something about it ? Too scared i suppose It really is a disgrace what has happened to this country's police forces billy bumble
  • Score: 166

7:25am Sat 2 Aug 14

kalebmoledirt says...

The travellers have a spokesman.Is it possible to get an interview with him.perhaps he can enlighten us rate payer where he thinks the money will come from if they are "given a site" ?,why don't they use the skips toilets provided free by the rate payers?,would they like to have a whip round to replace the pad locks they cut off,reveal the top of the range Stelph technology they use to prevent being seen by the police helicopter ,the traffic police And anybody else we imagined was in a position to look after law abiding local be fun for one of your employees to get on their CV if even want a job with a real newspaper
The travellers have a spokesman.Is it possible to get an interview with him.perhaps he can enlighten us rate payer where he thinks the money will come from if they are "given a site" ?,why don't they use the skips toilets provided free by the rate payers?,would they like to have a whip round to replace the pad locks they cut off,reveal the top of the range Stelph technology they use to prevent being seen by the police helicopter ,the traffic police And anybody else we imagined was in a position to look after law abiding local be fun for one of your employees to get on their CV if even want a job with a real newspaper kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 85

7:27am Sat 2 Aug 14

wonderway says...

they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers

where their passports

where do they live when not plauging the human race

they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around

we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law

if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents

our authorities are gutless wonders

irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.
they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers where their passports where do they live when not plauging the human race they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents our authorities are gutless wonders irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we. wonderway
  • Score: 131

7:31am Sat 2 Aug 14

N Smith says...

Dorset Police are not interested in anything unless you are speeding , they are gutless and a waste of taxpayers money.
Dorset Police are not interested in anything unless you are speeding , they are gutless and a waste of taxpayers money. N Smith
  • Score: 125

7:31am Sat 2 Aug 14

graham241060 says...

one rule for law abiding citizens and another for freeloding louts. Shame its the law abiding citizens that get the hardest treatment!!
one rule for law abiding citizens and another for freeloding louts. Shame its the law abiding citizens that get the hardest treatment!! graham241060
  • Score: 138

7:45am Sat 2 Aug 14

Quakers2 says...

Same old same old rubbish. Mr Burns - it is good you are concerned but when you have returned to your plush office, why not start a petition for us locals to sign so you can have the debate in Parliament and get the law changed. We are all aware that is what the solution, so stop the political showmanship and do something that would really make the voters proud of you (and all the same for all other locals politicians around Poole, Bournemouth and beyond). We'll never have a permanent sits as Poole proved earlier in the year - as soon as there was a one off chance to make some money they took it rather than deal with the problem they should have been focused on.
Same old same old rubbish. Mr Burns - it is good you are concerned but when you have returned to your plush office, why not start a petition for us locals to sign so you can have the debate in Parliament and get the law changed. We are all aware that is what the solution, so stop the political showmanship and do something that would really make the voters proud of you (and all the same for all other locals politicians around Poole, Bournemouth and beyond). We'll never have a permanent sits as Poole proved earlier in the year - as soon as there was a one off chance to make some money they took it rather than deal with the problem they should have been focused on. Quakers2
  • Score: 65

7:50am Sat 2 Aug 14

Baysider says...

Where's this camp going then Connor? You saw what happened when Poole tried to introduce a temporary one open for a few months only. Imagine trying to get a perminent site through planning locally! Ýou can tell an election's coming though eh...
Where's this camp going then Connor? You saw what happened when Poole tried to introduce a temporary one open for a few months only. Imagine trying to get a perminent site through planning locally! Ýou can tell an election's coming though eh... Baysider
  • Score: 39

7:56am Sat 2 Aug 14

Baysider says...

wonderway wrote:
they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers

where their passports

where do they live when not plauging the human race

they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around

we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law

if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents

our authorities are gutless wonders

irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.
...and again, YOU CANNOT ARREST EVERYONE ON SITE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BROKE A PADLOCK! Yeah they all benefitted but our courts are funny about having to have proper evidence of exactly who did what (or what fly tip is whose) and rightly so.
[quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers where their passports where do they live when not plauging the human race they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents our authorities are gutless wonders irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.[/p][/quote]...and again, YOU CANNOT ARREST EVERYONE ON SITE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BROKE A PADLOCK! Yeah they all benefitted but our courts are funny about having to have proper evidence of exactly who did what (or what fly tip is whose) and rightly so. Baysider
  • Score: -57

8:03am Sat 2 Aug 14

BIGTONE says...

“Police and local authorities have clear protocols...........



So do the travellers.
It appears their protocols are far stronger than the authorities who are supposed to serve and protect the community.
“Police and local authorities have clear protocols........... So do the travellers. It appears their protocols are far stronger than the authorities who are supposed to serve and protect the community. BIGTONE
  • Score: 62

8:07am Sat 2 Aug 14

oversee says...

Quite right too.....leave them alone.....look at the state of Boscombe etc., where people in " houses" live......
Quite right too.....leave them alone.....look at the state of Boscombe etc., where people in " houses" live...... oversee
  • Score: -82

8:25am Sat 2 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

Baysider wrote:
Where's this camp going then Connor? You saw what happened when Poole tried to introduce a temporary one open for a few months only. Imagine trying to get a perminent site through planning locally! Ýou can tell an election's coming though eh...
All that happened a few months ago when Poole tried to introduce a temporary site was that they chose totally unsuitable sites which were rejected by the Planning Committee mainly on safety grounds - air and ground pollution, on a fast dual carriageway, etc. Blame those who chose the sites.

As you say where is this camp going? There is nowhere.

The small group that parked on the grass verge without breaking into anywhere at Creekmoor a short while ago were well-behaved, tidy and caused no problems. Obviously not all are as well-behaved as they were.

Still it makes a change for an MP to stick his head above the parapet and actually say something against travellers. It won't add anything to his election campaign though unless he actually gets something done.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Where's this camp going then Connor? You saw what happened when Poole tried to introduce a temporary one open for a few months only. Imagine trying to get a perminent site through planning locally! Ýou can tell an election's coming though eh...[/p][/quote]All that happened a few months ago when Poole tried to introduce a temporary site was that they chose totally unsuitable sites which were rejected by the Planning Committee mainly on safety grounds - air and ground pollution, on a fast dual carriageway, etc. Blame those who chose the sites. As you say where is this camp going? There is nowhere. The small group that parked on the grass verge without breaking into anywhere at Creekmoor a short while ago were well-behaved, tidy and caused no problems. Obviously not all are as well-behaved as they were. Still it makes a change for an MP to stick his head above the parapet and actually say something against travellers. It won't add anything to his election campaign though unless he actually gets something done. Carolyn43
  • Score: 23

8:37am Sat 2 Aug 14

pete woodley says...

Another Conning Burns publicity stunt,he is a complete waste of space.
Another Conning Burns publicity stunt,he is a complete waste of space. pete woodley
  • Score: 27

8:53am Sat 2 Aug 14

dorsetjack says...

I suppose they sit around their campfires in the night singing songs of their struggle and fight for independence from the hated British. Well, they have their independence from us, and their own country, so why are they here in a land of people that they say they hate?

They don't want to be part of us yet the Irish make up the largest community in the UK claiming benefits.

Same for Irish travellers, living off the backs of the hard working British public.

What if the permanent site were full, would we have to build another one for them FOC?
I suppose they sit around their campfires in the night singing songs of their struggle and fight for independence from the hated British. Well, they have their independence from us, and their own country, so why are they here in a land of people that they say they hate? They don't want to be part of us yet the Irish make up the largest community in the UK claiming benefits. Same for Irish travellers, living off the backs of the hard working British public. What if the permanent site were full, would we have to build another one for them FOC? dorsetjack
  • Score: 47

9:00am Sat 2 Aug 14

loftusrod says...

Encouraging that a local MP is at last showing an interest but I think he's barking up the wrong tree.
Instead of insisting on a permanent site, which everyone agrees won't happen as there is nowhere for it to go, he should be calling for a change in the law to have the 'ethnic status' removed so there is no requirement at all for this, and that these people can be prosecuted for their misdemeanours like the rest of us would be.
Encouraging that a local MP is at last showing an interest but I think he's barking up the wrong tree. Instead of insisting on a permanent site, which everyone agrees won't happen as there is nowhere for it to go, he should be calling for a change in the law to have the 'ethnic status' removed so there is no requirement at all for this, and that these people can be prosecuted for their misdemeanours like the rest of us would be. loftusrod
  • Score: 49

9:01am Sat 2 Aug 14

Marty Caine says...

Conor Burns showing real concerns, is there an election looming by any chance
Conor Burns showing real concerns, is there an election looming by any chance Marty Caine
  • Score: 28

9:09am Sat 2 Aug 14

Townee says...

It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down.
The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe.

The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.
It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down. The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe. The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's. Townee
  • Score: 29

9:12am Sat 2 Aug 14

dogsoftheworld says...

Well said Conor, and now lets see if govt has the the cajones to deal with these people. Its clear that the police don't, or maybe they just don't have enough manpower- too many chiefs i fear.
Its great to see a good working relationship between you and Beesley. Contrast that to Poole where the isolated beleagured council leader Atkinson tried to foist a permanent version of Slades Farm onto her own residents in Creekmoor, despite opposition from Poole's MP Robert Syms and some of her braver councilors! You can Imagine how people living just a hundred yards away felt about that.
Well said Conor, and now lets see if govt has the the cajones to deal with these people. Its clear that the police don't, or maybe they just don't have enough manpower- too many chiefs i fear. Its great to see a good working relationship between you and Beesley. Contrast that to Poole where the isolated beleagured council leader Atkinson tried to foist a permanent version of Slades Farm onto her own residents in Creekmoor, despite opposition from Poole's MP Robert Syms and some of her braver councilors! You can Imagine how people living just a hundred yards away felt about that. dogsoftheworld
  • Score: 11

9:14am Sat 2 Aug 14

cromwell9 says...

We have two hopes in sorting this out While being in the EU .The Lib Dems /Labour will do nothing about the travellers.or any other simuler group,So unless you vote UKIP at the next general election .The two hopes you have are BOB HOPE ,and NO HOPE. Its up to you .Otherwise NOTHING will change.
We have two hopes in sorting this out While being in the EU .The Lib Dems /Labour will do nothing about the travellers.or any other simuler group,So unless you vote UKIP at the next general election .The two hopes you have are BOB HOPE ,and NO HOPE. Its up to you .Otherwise NOTHING will change. cromwell9
  • Score: 11

9:16am Sat 2 Aug 14

dogsoftheworld says...

Townee wrote:
It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down.
The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe.

The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.
Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing.
It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.
[quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down. The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe. The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.[/p][/quote]Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing. It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU. dogsoftheworld
  • Score: 28

9:22am Sat 2 Aug 14

dogsoftheworld says...

cromwell9 wrote:
We have two hopes in sorting this out While being in the EU .The Lib Dems /Labour will do nothing about the travellers.or any other simuler group,So unless you vote UKIP at the next general election .The two hopes you have are BOB HOPE ,and NO HOPE. Its up to you .Otherwise NOTHING will change.
ukip can promise anything to anyone, and thats what they do, knowing theyll never have to deliver.
This is how lib dems came unstuck, their tactic of picking up the protest vote, being all things to all men fell apart when they became part of a coalition, and their (ex) supporters realised they'd been taken for fools.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: We have two hopes in sorting this out While being in the EU .The Lib Dems /Labour will do nothing about the travellers.or any other simuler group,So unless you vote UKIP at the next general election .The two hopes you have are BOB HOPE ,and NO HOPE. Its up to you .Otherwise NOTHING will change.[/p][/quote]ukip can promise anything to anyone, and thats what they do, knowing theyll never have to deliver. This is how lib dems came unstuck, their tactic of picking up the protest vote, being all things to all men fell apart when they became part of a coalition, and their (ex) supporters realised they'd been taken for fools. dogsoftheworld
  • Score: -16

9:23am Sat 2 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

dogsoftheworld wrote:
Townee wrote:
It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down.
The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe.

The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.
Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing.
It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.
It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned?

It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?
[quote][p][bold]dogsoftheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down. The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe. The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.[/p][/quote]Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing. It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.[/p][/quote]It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned? It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people? Carolyn43
  • Score: 29

9:25am Sat 2 Aug 14

Old Colonial says...

Townee wrote:
It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down.
The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe.

The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.
Nothing to do with the EU courts. The decision to grant 'ethnic' status to any one calling themselves a 'traveller' was made by a UK judge in a UK court.
[quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down. The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe. The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with the EU courts. The decision to grant 'ethnic' status to any one calling themselves a 'traveller' was made by a UK judge in a UK court. Old Colonial
  • Score: 29

9:31am Sat 2 Aug 14

attra says...

I was on holiday in Tipperary a few months ago. Visiting various relatives took me past many of the traveller sites that had been there forever. Guess what? All deserted and gone you-know-where!! Had I picked up an old caravan over there and towed it back with me could I have spent this lovely summer enjoying Dorset's best sites for free instead of paying through the nose if I want to do a bit of shopping in Bournemouth? Can our MP's answer that one for me so maybe I can plan for next summer?
I was on holiday in Tipperary a few months ago. Visiting various relatives took me past many of the traveller sites that had been there forever. Guess what? All deserted and gone you-know-where!! Had I picked up an old caravan over there and towed it back with me could I have spent this lovely summer enjoying Dorset's best sites for free instead of paying through the nose if I want to do a bit of shopping in Bournemouth? Can our MP's answer that one for me so maybe I can plan for next summer? attra
  • Score: 24

9:36am Sat 2 Aug 14

Talk Sense says...

To stop these people, all that needs to happen is for the authorities to make thinks so difficult to them that they think twice about coming to the area. If they don't want the hassle, they come back.
To stop these people, all that needs to happen is for the authorities to make thinks so difficult to them that they think twice about coming to the area. If they don't want the hassle, they come back. Talk Sense
  • Score: 16

9:42am Sat 2 Aug 14

60plus says...

They had a site at tower park and the trashed that cause they wanted houses and they got them.
They had a site at tower park and the trashed that cause they wanted houses and they got them. 60plus
  • Score: 17

9:44am Sat 2 Aug 14

Baysider says...

dogsoftheworld wrote:
Townee wrote:
It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down.
The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe.

The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.
Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing.
It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.
Ouch...stop hitting him and Crommers with facts. It's like Kryptonite & Superman to the average UKIP supporter.
[quote][p][bold]dogsoftheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down. The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe. The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.[/p][/quote]Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing. It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.[/p][/quote]Ouch...stop hitting him and Crommers with facts. It's like Kryptonite & Superman to the average UKIP supporter. Baysider
  • Score: 3

10:02am Sat 2 Aug 14

Ragwin says...

These issues persist because they are being dealt with by inadequate local authorities and the problem occurs for a temporary period. As a result there is no sustained and focused attempt to resolve it. It needs a national response unit made up of judicial and policing powers that can focus solely on these illegal camps which can act swiftly anywhere in the country. A database of every site, every vehicle, every caravan and every person involved in these illegal sites can then be maintained to track their activity wherever they are. This enforcement unit could dedicate itself to finding the means to prosecute and fine within 24 hours those participating in these illegal sites, impound their vehicles and caravans. If it requires using private security teams to assist in enforcement then so be it.
These issues persist because they are being dealt with by inadequate local authorities and the problem occurs for a temporary period. As a result there is no sustained and focused attempt to resolve it. It needs a national response unit made up of judicial and policing powers that can focus solely on these illegal camps which can act swiftly anywhere in the country. A database of every site, every vehicle, every caravan and every person involved in these illegal sites can then be maintained to track their activity wherever they are. This enforcement unit could dedicate itself to finding the means to prosecute and fine within 24 hours those participating in these illegal sites, impound their vehicles and caravans. If it requires using private security teams to assist in enforcement then so be it. Ragwin
  • Score: 7

10:07am Sat 2 Aug 14

O'Reilly says...

graham241060 wrote:
one rule for law abiding citizens and another for freeloding louts. Shame its the law abiding citizens that get the hardest treatment!!
Well there's a reason for that - which unfortunately - most citizens are not aware of. If you study the Frankfurt School and its insidious Cultural Revolution (easy enough to Google).... you will find at recommendation 8. 'An unreliable legal system with bias against the victims of the crime'. Just for good measure - and mischief - I will add recommendation 10. 'Control and dumbing down of the media'. You have to bear in mind this was all planned in the 1920's so you can imagine it is now part and parcel of the fabric of our society. An astute observer will have noticed the changes occurring on a daily basis.....education being a prime example.
[quote][p][bold]graham241060[/bold] wrote: one rule for law abiding citizens and another for freeloding louts. Shame its the law abiding citizens that get the hardest treatment!![/p][/quote]Well there's a reason for that - which unfortunately - most citizens are not aware of. If you study the Frankfurt School and its insidious Cultural Revolution (easy enough to Google).... you will find at recommendation 8. 'An unreliable legal system with bias against the victims of the crime'. Just for good measure - and mischief - I will add recommendation 10. 'Control and dumbing down of the media'. You have to bear in mind this was all planned in the 1920's so you can imagine it is now part and parcel of the fabric of our society. An astute observer will have noticed the changes occurring on a daily basis.....education being a prime example. O'Reilly
  • Score: 9

10:08am Sat 2 Aug 14

Gonetothebeach says...

Bit slow jumping on the bandwagon, Mr Burns. However - if you're seriously interested in sorting out this issue rather than grandstanding let's see what action you're going to take to resolve things? It's not something that Bournemouth, Poole or Dorset councils are going to be able to resolve acting singly so how about demonstrating some leadership and following through at national level?
Bit slow jumping on the bandwagon, Mr Burns. However - if you're seriously interested in sorting out this issue rather than grandstanding let's see what action you're going to take to resolve things? It's not something that Bournemouth, Poole or Dorset councils are going to be able to resolve acting singly so how about demonstrating some leadership and following through at national level? Gonetothebeach
  • Score: 16

10:19am Sat 2 Aug 14

Baysider says...

wonderway wrote:
they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers

where their passports

where do they live when not plauging the human race

they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around

we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law

if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents

our authorities are gutless wonders

irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.
As this "arrest everyone on site" rhetoric is proving so popular let's follow your argument through shall we? The police turn up on site. There are perhaps as many as 30-40 adults or juveniles there. Any one of them may have been responsible for taking the bolt croppers to the lock. But, for arguments sake you decide to arrest them all for criminal damage. Now you need, probably every available officer and vehicle in Dorset on scene within a few minutes to stop the possible offenders wandering or driving off. Assuming you get say 100 officers there within 5 minutes you know start arresting them. Now, all but a few of them, didn't cut the padlock so what you now have is a pretty volatile and angry crowd kicking off so you are definitely going to need some form of riot trained police and probably the helicopter up to keep an eye on the situation. After you've arrested them you now have to process them. There are not enough custody suites and officers available in Poole or Bournemouth to handle that amount at once let alone cells due to cuts to police funding (thanks for that Mr Burns btw). Again assume somehow you have enough officers to interview them all under arrest. Not one of them is going to assist your investigation or confess so now, your cells are full, you've no one left on patrol or doing anything else and you are no further forward at all but you've tied up the entire divisions resources already for hours. But, hang on...what about the kids back at the site. You've just arrested all the adults what are you going to do with them in the meantime? They've no family locally to place them with while their parents are dealt with. No problem let's call social services they've got nothing else to do except sort out emergency care for a dozen traveller children have they? And bags of money to do it with too...and all this for what? A broken padlock or some rubble that takes a morning to clear up...
[quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers where their passports where do they live when not plauging the human race they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents our authorities are gutless wonders irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.[/p][/quote]As this "arrest everyone on site" rhetoric is proving so popular let's follow your argument through shall we? The police turn up on site. There are perhaps as many as 30-40 adults or juveniles there. Any one of them may have been responsible for taking the bolt croppers to the lock. But, for arguments sake you decide to arrest them all for criminal damage. Now you need, probably every available officer and vehicle in Dorset on scene within a few minutes to stop the possible offenders wandering or driving off. Assuming you get say 100 officers there within 5 minutes you know start arresting them. Now, all but a few of them, didn't cut the padlock so what you now have is a pretty volatile and angry crowd kicking off so you are definitely going to need some form of riot trained police and probably the helicopter up to keep an eye on the situation. After you've arrested them you now have to process them. There are not enough custody suites and officers available in Poole or Bournemouth to handle that amount at once let alone cells due to cuts to police funding (thanks for that Mr Burns btw). Again assume somehow you have enough officers to interview them all under arrest. Not one of them is going to assist your investigation or confess so now, your cells are full, you've no one left on patrol or doing anything else and you are no further forward at all but you've tied up the entire divisions resources already for hours. But, hang on...what about the kids back at the site. You've just arrested all the adults what are you going to do with them in the meantime? They've no family locally to place them with while their parents are dealt with. No problem let's call social services they've got nothing else to do except sort out emergency care for a dozen traveller children have they? And bags of money to do it with too...and all this for what? A broken padlock or some rubble that takes a morning to clear up... Baysider
  • Score: -9

10:19am Sat 2 Aug 14

Peroni says...

Baysider wrote:
wonderway wrote:
they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers

where their passports

where do they live when not plauging the human race

they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around

we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law

if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents

our authorities are gutless wonders

irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.
...and again, YOU CANNOT ARREST EVERYONE ON SITE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BROKE A PADLOCK! Yeah they all benefitted but our courts are funny about having to have proper evidence of exactly who did what (or what fly tip is whose) and rightly so.
The police have stood by and watch them break padlocks and fences ....
They see that some vehicles have no number plates, they get calls from members of the public that have been threatend and intimidated, they get calls from shop owners that have had them shop lifting !!!!
Funny how the police film in public disorders but not against these people

Also don't forget that the public funds still pay for that permenant site at Mannings Heath Road !!!'
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers where their passports where do they live when not plauging the human race they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents our authorities are gutless wonders irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.[/p][/quote]...and again, YOU CANNOT ARREST EVERYONE ON SITE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BROKE A PADLOCK! Yeah they all benefitted but our courts are funny about having to have proper evidence of exactly who did what (or what fly tip is whose) and rightly so.[/p][/quote]The police have stood by and watch them break padlocks and fences .... They see that some vehicles have no number plates, they get calls from members of the public that have been threatend and intimidated, they get calls from shop owners that have had them shop lifting !!!! Funny how the police film in public disorders but not against these people Also don't forget that the public funds still pay for that permenant site at Mannings Heath Road !!!' Peroni
  • Score: 16

10:27am Sat 2 Aug 14

neilf2006 says...

My goodness, someone in the Tory pr machine must have told Conor Burns its time to show himself. Its taken a while!

Meanwhile Toby Ellwood is concerned about mobile phones on beaches !

The dynamic duo ride again?
My goodness, someone in the Tory pr machine must have told Conor Burns its time to show himself. Its taken a while! Meanwhile Toby Ellwood is concerned about mobile phones on beaches ! The dynamic duo ride again? neilf2006
  • Score: 18

10:34am Sat 2 Aug 14

Baysider says...

Peroni wrote:
Baysider wrote:
wonderway wrote:
they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers

where their passports

where do they live when not plauging the human race

they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around

we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law

if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents

our authorities are gutless wonders

irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.
...and again, YOU CANNOT ARREST EVERYONE ON SITE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BROKE A PADLOCK! Yeah they all benefitted but our courts are funny about having to have proper evidence of exactly who did what (or what fly tip is whose) and rightly so.
The police have stood by and watch them break padlocks and fences ....
They see that some vehicles have no number plates, they get calls from members of the public that have been threatend and intimidated, they get calls from shop owners that have had them shop lifting !!!!
Funny how the police film in public disorders but not against these people

Also don't forget that the public funds still pay for that permenant site at Mannings Heath Road !!!'
There is zero reliable evidence that police officers have stood by and watched criminal damage occuring. If there were I would expect those officers to have been reported by those members of the public witnessing thus and to have been dealt with. Don't confuse a few posters seeing the aftermath of travellers breaking onto a piece of land and embellishing what they think happened with reality.
[quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers where their passports where do they live when not plauging the human race they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents our authorities are gutless wonders irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.[/p][/quote]...and again, YOU CANNOT ARREST EVERYONE ON SITE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BROKE A PADLOCK! Yeah they all benefitted but our courts are funny about having to have proper evidence of exactly who did what (or what fly tip is whose) and rightly so.[/p][/quote]The police have stood by and watch them break padlocks and fences .... They see that some vehicles have no number plates, they get calls from members of the public that have been threatend and intimidated, they get calls from shop owners that have had them shop lifting !!!! Funny how the police film in public disorders but not against these people Also don't forget that the public funds still pay for that permenant site at Mannings Heath Road !!!'[/p][/quote]There is zero reliable evidence that police officers have stood by and watched criminal damage occuring. If there were I would expect those officers to have been reported by those members of the public witnessing thus and to have been dealt with. Don't confuse a few posters seeing the aftermath of travellers breaking onto a piece of land and embellishing what they think happened with reality. Baysider
  • Score: -7

10:39am Sat 2 Aug 14

Wackerone says...

Marty Caine wrote:
Conor Burns showing real concerns, is there an election looming by any chance
Connor Burns would still get elected, even if he hid in a cupboard for 5 years and the pope was standing for election at the same time. Sorry, that's the way it is in Bournemouth, always has been, always will be. Only the electorate can change that, but sadly, they never will. Comments like yours serve no purpose at all, would have thought that you all realised that by now.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote: Conor Burns showing real concerns, is there an election looming by any chance[/p][/quote]Connor Burns would still get elected, even if he hid in a cupboard for 5 years and the pope was standing for election at the same time. Sorry, that's the way it is in Bournemouth, always has been, always will be. Only the electorate can change that, but sadly, they never will. Comments like yours serve no purpose at all, would have thought that you all realised that by now. Wackerone
  • Score: 7

11:04am Sat 2 Aug 14

wac967 says...

he`s not even from dorset so what does he know ..he still dosen`t relise that HIS party are in government the half wit... the easy way to deal with the traveller problem is to charge them rent where ever the stay ...wheel clamp the caravan until they pay up the freeloaders bloody **** me off how pc this country has become ...wish the council were more lenient on us council tax payers
he`s not even from dorset so what does he know ..he still dosen`t relise that HIS party are in government the half wit... the easy way to deal with the traveller problem is to charge them rent where ever the stay ...wheel clamp the caravan until they pay up the freeloaders bloody **** me off how pc this country has become ...wish the council were more lenient on us council tax payers wac967
  • Score: 12

11:19am Sat 2 Aug 14

Peroni says...

Baysider wrote:
Peroni wrote:
Baysider wrote:
wonderway wrote:
they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers

where their passports

where do they live when not plauging the human race

they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around

we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law

if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents

our authorities are gutless wonders

irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.
...and again, YOU CANNOT ARREST EVERYONE ON SITE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BROKE A PADLOCK! Yeah they all benefitted but our courts are funny about having to have proper evidence of exactly who did what (or what fly tip is whose) and rightly so.
The police have stood by and watch them break padlocks and fences ....
They see that some vehicles have no number plates, they get calls from members of the public that have been threatend and intimidated, they get calls from shop owners that have had them shop lifting !!!!
Funny how the police film in public disorders but not against these people

Also don't forget that the public funds still pay for that permenant site at Mannings Heath Road !!!'
There is zero reliable evidence that police officers have stood by and watched criminal damage occuring. If there were I would expect those officers to have been reported by those members of the public witnessing thus and to have been dealt with. Don't confuse a few posters seeing the aftermath of travellers breaking onto a piece of land and embellishing what they think happened with reality.
Are for real ?
You gave no idea then ,what has been going on !
These lower than life bottom feeders are not worth defending !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers where their passports where do they live when not plauging the human race they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents our authorities are gutless wonders irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.[/p][/quote]...and again, YOU CANNOT ARREST EVERYONE ON SITE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BROKE A PADLOCK! Yeah they all benefitted but our courts are funny about having to have proper evidence of exactly who did what (or what fly tip is whose) and rightly so.[/p][/quote]The police have stood by and watch them break padlocks and fences .... They see that some vehicles have no number plates, they get calls from members of the public that have been threatend and intimidated, they get calls from shop owners that have had them shop lifting !!!! Funny how the police film in public disorders but not against these people Also don't forget that the public funds still pay for that permenant site at Mannings Heath Road !!!'[/p][/quote]There is zero reliable evidence that police officers have stood by and watched criminal damage occuring. If there were I would expect those officers to have been reported by those members of the public witnessing thus and to have been dealt with. Don't confuse a few posters seeing the aftermath of travellers breaking onto a piece of land and embellishing what they think happened with reality.[/p][/quote]Are for real ? You gave no idea then ,what has been going on ! These lower than life bottom feeders are not worth defending !!!! Peroni
  • Score: 10

11:22am Sat 2 Aug 14

Peroni says...

60plus wrote:
They had a site at tower park and the trashed that cause they wanted houses and they got them.
They have trashed and burnt that site many times.
The last refit cost the tax payer over £1.5 million couple years back
[quote][p][bold]60plus[/bold] wrote: They had a site at tower park and the trashed that cause they wanted houses and they got them.[/p][/quote]They have trashed and burnt that site many times. The last refit cost the tax payer over £1.5 million couple years back Peroni
  • Score: 10

11:22am Sat 2 Aug 14

madras says...

How about a summer of zero tolerance - immediate action against, eg fly tipping, nuisance, urinating in a public place, criminal damage (to enter the property and while on the property) plus anything to do with vehicles? That would not be discriminatory as we are all occasionally subject to 'zero tolerance' policing
How about a summer of zero tolerance - immediate action against, eg fly tipping, nuisance, urinating in a public place, criminal damage (to enter the property and while on the property) plus anything to do with vehicles? That would not be discriminatory as we are all occasionally subject to 'zero tolerance' policing madras
  • Score: 11

11:25am Sat 2 Aug 14

justsayithowitis says...

Quakers2 wrote:
Same old same old rubbish. Mr Burns - it is good you are concerned but when you have returned to your plush office, why not start a petition for us locals to sign so you can have the debate in Parliament and get the law changed. We are all aware that is what the solution, so stop the political showmanship and do something that would really make the voters proud of you (and all the same for all other locals politicians around Poole, Bournemouth and beyond). We'll never have a permanent sits as Poole proved earlier in the year - as soon as there was a one off chance to make some money they took it rather than deal with the problem they should have been focused on.
There is already an epetition. The link to it is http://epetitions.di
rect.gov.uk/petition
s/61822. If it doesn't work just type epetition 61822 into your search engine. Anyone can start one so I don't know why you are waiting for an MP to do it. As only 102 people have signed it since March I think most people are quite happy with the law as it is
[quote][p][bold]Quakers2[/bold] wrote: Same old same old rubbish. Mr Burns - it is good you are concerned but when you have returned to your plush office, why not start a petition for us locals to sign so you can have the debate in Parliament and get the law changed. We are all aware that is what the solution, so stop the political showmanship and do something that would really make the voters proud of you (and all the same for all other locals politicians around Poole, Bournemouth and beyond). We'll never have a permanent sits as Poole proved earlier in the year - as soon as there was a one off chance to make some money they took it rather than deal with the problem they should have been focused on.[/p][/quote]There is already an epetition. The link to it is http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/61822. If it doesn't work just type epetition 61822 into your search engine. Anyone can start one so I don't know why you are waiting for an MP to do it. As only 102 people have signed it since March I think most people are quite happy with the law as it is justsayithowitis
  • Score: 9

11:26am Sat 2 Aug 14

B Unit says...

Should send them Lizard Lick boys to tow em away.
Should send them Lizard Lick boys to tow em away. B Unit
  • Score: 4

11:27am Sat 2 Aug 14

Wackerone says...

Baysider wrote:
wonderway wrote:
they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers

where their passports

where do they live when not plauging the human race

they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around

we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law

if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents

our authorities are gutless wonders

irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.
As this "arrest everyone on site" rhetoric is proving so popular let's follow your argument through shall we? The police turn up on site. There are perhaps as many as 30-40 adults or juveniles there. Any one of them may have been responsible for taking the bolt croppers to the lock. But, for arguments sake you decide to arrest them all for criminal damage. Now you need, probably every available officer and vehicle in Dorset on scene within a few minutes to stop the possible offenders wandering or driving off. Assuming you get say 100 officers there within 5 minutes you know start arresting them. Now, all but a few of them, didn't cut the padlock so what you now have is a pretty volatile and angry crowd kicking off so you are definitely going to need some form of riot trained police and probably the helicopter up to keep an eye on the situation. After you've arrested them you now have to process them. There are not enough custody suites and officers available in Poole or Bournemouth to handle that amount at once let alone cells due to cuts to police funding (thanks for that Mr Burns btw). Again assume somehow you have enough officers to interview them all under arrest. Not one of them is going to assist your investigation or confess so now, your cells are full, you've no one left on patrol or doing anything else and you are no further forward at all but you've tied up the entire divisions resources already for hours. But, hang on...what about the kids back at the site. You've just arrested all the adults what are you going to do with them in the meantime? They've no family locally to place them with while their parents are dealt with. No problem let's call social services they've got nothing else to do except sort out emergency care for a dozen traveller children have they? And bags of money to do it with too...and all this for what? A broken padlock or some rubble that takes a morning to clear up...
So, baysider, although you are probably correct, mob rule then? Even anarchy!
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers where their passports where do they live when not plauging the human race they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents our authorities are gutless wonders irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.[/p][/quote]As this "arrest everyone on site" rhetoric is proving so popular let's follow your argument through shall we? The police turn up on site. There are perhaps as many as 30-40 adults or juveniles there. Any one of them may have been responsible for taking the bolt croppers to the lock. But, for arguments sake you decide to arrest them all for criminal damage. Now you need, probably every available officer and vehicle in Dorset on scene within a few minutes to stop the possible offenders wandering or driving off. Assuming you get say 100 officers there within 5 minutes you know start arresting them. Now, all but a few of them, didn't cut the padlock so what you now have is a pretty volatile and angry crowd kicking off so you are definitely going to need some form of riot trained police and probably the helicopter up to keep an eye on the situation. After you've arrested them you now have to process them. There are not enough custody suites and officers available in Poole or Bournemouth to handle that amount at once let alone cells due to cuts to police funding (thanks for that Mr Burns btw). Again assume somehow you have enough officers to interview them all under arrest. Not one of them is going to assist your investigation or confess so now, your cells are full, you've no one left on patrol or doing anything else and you are no further forward at all but you've tied up the entire divisions resources already for hours. But, hang on...what about the kids back at the site. You've just arrested all the adults what are you going to do with them in the meantime? They've no family locally to place them with while their parents are dealt with. No problem let's call social services they've got nothing else to do except sort out emergency care for a dozen traveller children have they? And bags of money to do it with too...and all this for what? A broken padlock or some rubble that takes a morning to clear up...[/p][/quote]So, baysider, although you are probably correct, mob rule then? Even anarchy! Wackerone
  • Score: -1

11:40am Sat 2 Aug 14

Baysider says...

Wackerone wrote:
Baysider wrote:
wonderway wrote:
they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers

where their passports

where do they live when not plauging the human race

they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around

we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law

if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents

our authorities are gutless wonders

irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.
As this "arrest everyone on site" rhetoric is proving so popular let's follow your argument through shall we? The police turn up on site. There are perhaps as many as 30-40 adults or juveniles there. Any one of them may have been responsible for taking the bolt croppers to the lock. But, for arguments sake you decide to arrest them all for criminal damage. Now you need, probably every available officer and vehicle in Dorset on scene within a few minutes to stop the possible offenders wandering or driving off. Assuming you get say 100 officers there within 5 minutes you know start arresting them. Now, all but a few of them, didn't cut the padlock so what you now have is a pretty volatile and angry crowd kicking off so you are definitely going to need some form of riot trained police and probably the helicopter up to keep an eye on the situation. After you've arrested them you now have to process them. There are not enough custody suites and officers available in Poole or Bournemouth to handle that amount at once let alone cells due to cuts to police funding (thanks for that Mr Burns btw). Again assume somehow you have enough officers to interview them all under arrest. Not one of them is going to assist your investigation or confess so now, your cells are full, you've no one left on patrol or doing anything else and you are no further forward at all but you've tied up the entire divisions resources already for hours. But, hang on...what about the kids back at the site. You've just arrested all the adults what are you going to do with them in the meantime? They've no family locally to place them with while their parents are dealt with. No problem let's call social services they've got nothing else to do except sort out emergency care for a dozen traveller children have they? And bags of money to do it with too...and all this for what? A broken padlock or some rubble that takes a morning to clear up...
So, baysider, although you are probably correct, mob rule then? Even anarchy!
No. Not at all. But you do have to be a realist about these things. Lots of people get away with lots of crimes each and every day, travellers or not. It is simply a matter of choosing ones battles given the available evidence and resources, then making a proper, informed decision on the consequences of your actions.
[quote][p][bold]Wackerone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers where their passports where do they live when not plauging the human race they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents our authorities are gutless wonders irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.[/p][/quote]As this "arrest everyone on site" rhetoric is proving so popular let's follow your argument through shall we? The police turn up on site. There are perhaps as many as 30-40 adults or juveniles there. Any one of them may have been responsible for taking the bolt croppers to the lock. But, for arguments sake you decide to arrest them all for criminal damage. Now you need, probably every available officer and vehicle in Dorset on scene within a few minutes to stop the possible offenders wandering or driving off. Assuming you get say 100 officers there within 5 minutes you know start arresting them. Now, all but a few of them, didn't cut the padlock so what you now have is a pretty volatile and angry crowd kicking off so you are definitely going to need some form of riot trained police and probably the helicopter up to keep an eye on the situation. After you've arrested them you now have to process them. There are not enough custody suites and officers available in Poole or Bournemouth to handle that amount at once let alone cells due to cuts to police funding (thanks for that Mr Burns btw). Again assume somehow you have enough officers to interview them all under arrest. Not one of them is going to assist your investigation or confess so now, your cells are full, you've no one left on patrol or doing anything else and you are no further forward at all but you've tied up the entire divisions resources already for hours. But, hang on...what about the kids back at the site. You've just arrested all the adults what are you going to do with them in the meantime? They've no family locally to place them with while their parents are dealt with. No problem let's call social services they've got nothing else to do except sort out emergency care for a dozen traveller children have they? And bags of money to do it with too...and all this for what? A broken padlock or some rubble that takes a morning to clear up...[/p][/quote]So, baysider, although you are probably correct, mob rule then? Even anarchy![/p][/quote]No. Not at all. But you do have to be a realist about these things. Lots of people get away with lots of crimes each and every day, travellers or not. It is simply a matter of choosing ones battles given the available evidence and resources, then making a proper, informed decision on the consequences of your actions. Baysider
  • Score: -3

11:48am Sat 2 Aug 14

joetheman says...

coner burns intervenes, oh well back to normal
coner burns intervenes, oh well back to normal joetheman
  • Score: 2

12:14pm Sat 2 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

Said before, the French have no problem shifting them, they steam in there. We wring our hands.
Said before, the French have no problem shifting them, they steam in there. We wring our hands. FerryFan
  • Score: 16

12:15pm Sat 2 Aug 14

yohodi says...

These people understand the 'law' and in particular 'Common law' better than the authorities, it really is that simple.
These people understand the 'law' and in particular 'Common law' better than the authorities, it really is that simple. yohodi
  • Score: 5

12:22pm Sat 2 Aug 14

stevobath says...

dorsetjack wrote:
I suppose they sit around their campfires in the night singing songs of their struggle and fight for independence from the hated British. Well, they have their independence from us, and their own country, so why are they here in a land of people that they say they hate?

They don't want to be part of us yet the Irish make up the largest community in the UK claiming benefits.

Same for Irish travellers, living off the backs of the hard working British public.

What if the permanent site were full, would we have to build another one for them FOC?
Works both ways.

Largest community in Eire claiming benefits? English...
[quote][p][bold]dorsetjack[/bold] wrote: I suppose they sit around their campfires in the night singing songs of their struggle and fight for independence from the hated British. Well, they have their independence from us, and their own country, so why are they here in a land of people that they say they hate? They don't want to be part of us yet the Irish make up the largest community in the UK claiming benefits. Same for Irish travellers, living off the backs of the hard working British public. What if the permanent site were full, would we have to build another one for them FOC?[/p][/quote]Works both ways. Largest community in Eire claiming benefits? English... stevobath
  • Score: -9

12:43pm Sat 2 Aug 14

muscliffman says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
dogsoftheworld wrote:
Townee wrote:
It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down.
The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe.

The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.
Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing.
It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.
It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned?

It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?
Correct, the original ruling about this 'ethnic traveller' recognition was made in the UK not the EU, it is however now very well supported by rafts of EU 'rights' law.

So maybe time to fight fire with fire, because the majority of taxpaying law abiding residents are the ones who now very clearly feel THEY are being discriminated against by their own public servants.

The Police and the Councils are arguably discriminating in favour of a minority of people of usually it appears unestablished 'race' whom they choose to place in a position completely above the laws we other citizens all have to abide by - basically it seems because it's their easiest option.

So perhaps we do need a credible champion to legally pursue those authorities for serious racial discrimination - against the decent British taxpayer.
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogsoftheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down. The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe. The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.[/p][/quote]Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing. It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.[/p][/quote]It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned? It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?[/p][/quote]Correct, the original ruling about this 'ethnic traveller' recognition was made in the UK not the EU, it is however now very well supported by rafts of EU 'rights' law. So maybe time to fight fire with fire, because the majority of taxpaying law abiding residents are the ones who now very clearly feel THEY are being discriminated against by their own public servants. The Police and the Councils are arguably discriminating in favour of a minority of people of usually it appears unestablished 'race' whom they choose to place in a position completely above the laws we other citizens all have to abide by - basically it seems because it's their easiest option. So perhaps we do need a credible champion to legally pursue those authorities for serious racial discrimination - against the decent British taxpayer. muscliffman
  • Score: 11

12:47pm Sat 2 Aug 14

bobthedestroyer says...

So the police can't do anything, sorry don't want to do anything. Yet they can prosecute for sounding their horn
So the police can't do anything, sorry don't want to do anything. Yet they can prosecute for sounding their horn bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 6

12:50pm Sat 2 Aug 14

JemBmth says...

N Smith wrote:
Dorset Police are not interested in anything unless you are speeding , they are gutless and a waste of taxpayers money.
The police are cowards! Yep, speeding tickets. Anything for an easy life. I actually got off a speeding ticket coz police were wasting my time and theirs.
[quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Dorset Police are not interested in anything unless you are speeding , they are gutless and a waste of taxpayers money.[/p][/quote]The police are cowards! Yep, speeding tickets. Anything for an easy life. I actually got off a speeding ticket coz police were wasting my time and theirs. JemBmth
  • Score: 3

12:56pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Wackerone says...

muscliffman wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
dogsoftheworld wrote:
Townee wrote:
It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down.
The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe.

The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.
Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing.
It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.
It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned?

It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?
Correct, the original ruling about this 'ethnic traveller' recognition was made in the UK not the EU, it is however now very well supported by rafts of EU 'rights' law.

So maybe time to fight fire with fire, because the majority of taxpaying law abiding residents are the ones who now very clearly feel THEY are being discriminated against by their own public servants.

The Police and the Councils are arguably discriminating in favour of a minority of people of usually it appears unestablished 'race' whom they choose to place in a position completely above the laws we other citizens all have to abide by - basically it seems because it's their easiest option.

So perhaps we do need a credible champion to legally pursue those authorities for serious racial discrimination - against the decent British taxpayer.
I still don't see what their ethnicity has do with the laws of the land. What ever ethnic origin people come from, whether white Anglo Saxon, black African, Australian Aborigine, Asian, Eskimo or Irish traveller, the law is there to be kept and upheld. Please tell me why Irish travellers can do as they please with impunity, while the rest of the worlds ethnic peoples that come to this country cannot.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogsoftheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down. The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe. The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.[/p][/quote]Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing. It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.[/p][/quote]It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned? It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?[/p][/quote]Correct, the original ruling about this 'ethnic traveller' recognition was made in the UK not the EU, it is however now very well supported by rafts of EU 'rights' law. So maybe time to fight fire with fire, because the majority of taxpaying law abiding residents are the ones who now very clearly feel THEY are being discriminated against by their own public servants. The Police and the Councils are arguably discriminating in favour of a minority of people of usually it appears unestablished 'race' whom they choose to place in a position completely above the laws we other citizens all have to abide by - basically it seems because it's their easiest option. So perhaps we do need a credible champion to legally pursue those authorities for serious racial discrimination - against the decent British taxpayer.[/p][/quote]I still don't see what their ethnicity has do with the laws of the land. What ever ethnic origin people come from, whether white Anglo Saxon, black African, Australian Aborigine, Asian, Eskimo or Irish traveller, the law is there to be kept and upheld. Please tell me why Irish travellers can do as they please with impunity, while the rest of the worlds ethnic peoples that come to this country cannot. Wackerone
  • Score: 16

1:13pm Sat 2 Aug 14

muscliffman says...

Wackerone wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
dogsoftheworld wrote:
Townee wrote:
It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down.
The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe.

The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.
Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing.
It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.
It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned?

It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?
Correct, the original ruling about this 'ethnic traveller' recognition was made in the UK not the EU, it is however now very well supported by rafts of EU 'rights' law.

So maybe time to fight fire with fire, because the majority of taxpaying law abiding residents are the ones who now very clearly feel THEY are being discriminated against by their own public servants.

The Police and the Councils are arguably discriminating in favour of a minority of people of usually it appears unestablished 'race' whom they choose to place in a position completely above the laws we other citizens all have to abide by - basically it seems because it's their easiest option.

So perhaps we do need a credible champion to legally pursue those authorities for serious racial discrimination - against the decent British taxpayer.
I still don't see what their ethnicity has do with the laws of the land. What ever ethnic origin people come from, whether white Anglo Saxon, black African, Australian Aborigine, Asian, Eskimo or Irish traveller, the law is there to be kept and upheld. Please tell me why Irish travellers can do as they please with impunity, while the rest of the worlds ethnic peoples that come to this country cannot.
And please tell us (because the authorities don't appear to want to ask) what is 'Irish' and ethnic about the many illegal campers with broad Merseyside and Yorkshire accents driving around in new UK registered and plated motorhomes, vans and very expensive cars?
[quote][p][bold]Wackerone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogsoftheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down. The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe. The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.[/p][/quote]Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing. It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.[/p][/quote]It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned? It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?[/p][/quote]Correct, the original ruling about this 'ethnic traveller' recognition was made in the UK not the EU, it is however now very well supported by rafts of EU 'rights' law. So maybe time to fight fire with fire, because the majority of taxpaying law abiding residents are the ones who now very clearly feel THEY are being discriminated against by their own public servants. The Police and the Councils are arguably discriminating in favour of a minority of people of usually it appears unestablished 'race' whom they choose to place in a position completely above the laws we other citizens all have to abide by - basically it seems because it's their easiest option. So perhaps we do need a credible champion to legally pursue those authorities for serious racial discrimination - against the decent British taxpayer.[/p][/quote]I still don't see what their ethnicity has do with the laws of the land. What ever ethnic origin people come from, whether white Anglo Saxon, black African, Australian Aborigine, Asian, Eskimo or Irish traveller, the law is there to be kept and upheld. Please tell me why Irish travellers can do as they please with impunity, while the rest of the worlds ethnic peoples that come to this country cannot.[/p][/quote]And please tell us (because the authorities don't appear to want to ask) what is 'Irish' and ethnic about the many illegal campers with broad Merseyside and Yorkshire accents driving around in new UK registered and plated motorhomes, vans and very expensive cars? muscliffman
  • Score: 19

1:22pm Sat 2 Aug 14

retry69 says...

muscliffman wrote:
Wackerone wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
dogsoftheworld wrote:
Townee wrote:
It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down.
The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe.

The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.
Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing.
It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.
It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned?

It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?
Correct, the original ruling about this 'ethnic traveller' recognition was made in the UK not the EU, it is however now very well supported by rafts of EU 'rights' law.

So maybe time to fight fire with fire, because the majority of taxpaying law abiding residents are the ones who now very clearly feel THEY are being discriminated against by their own public servants.

The Police and the Councils are arguably discriminating in favour of a minority of people of usually it appears unestablished 'race' whom they choose to place in a position completely above the laws we other citizens all have to abide by - basically it seems because it's their easiest option.

So perhaps we do need a credible champion to legally pursue those authorities for serious racial discrimination - against the decent British taxpayer.
I still don't see what their ethnicity has do with the laws of the land. What ever ethnic origin people come from, whether white Anglo Saxon, black African, Australian Aborigine, Asian, Eskimo or Irish traveller, the law is there to be kept and upheld. Please tell me why Irish travellers can do as they please with impunity, while the rest of the worlds ethnic peoples that come to this country cannot.
And please tell us (because the authorities don't appear to want to ask) what is 'Irish' and ethnic about the many illegal campers with broad Merseyside and Yorkshire accents driving around in new UK registered and plated motorhomes, vans and very expensive cars?
In actual fact a group of the recent visitors while visiting the local co-op in Columbia Road in their dressing gowns (put that in for theatrical effect) were indeed speaking with a Merseyside accent and if the truth was known have never set foot in Ireland. hope you are well Muscliffman haven't crossed swords with you lately :)
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wackerone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogsoftheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down. The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe. The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.[/p][/quote]Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing. It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.[/p][/quote]It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned? It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?[/p][/quote]Correct, the original ruling about this 'ethnic traveller' recognition was made in the UK not the EU, it is however now very well supported by rafts of EU 'rights' law. So maybe time to fight fire with fire, because the majority of taxpaying law abiding residents are the ones who now very clearly feel THEY are being discriminated against by their own public servants. The Police and the Councils are arguably discriminating in favour of a minority of people of usually it appears unestablished 'race' whom they choose to place in a position completely above the laws we other citizens all have to abide by - basically it seems because it's their easiest option. So perhaps we do need a credible champion to legally pursue those authorities for serious racial discrimination - against the decent British taxpayer.[/p][/quote]I still don't see what their ethnicity has do with the laws of the land. What ever ethnic origin people come from, whether white Anglo Saxon, black African, Australian Aborigine, Asian, Eskimo or Irish traveller, the law is there to be kept and upheld. Please tell me why Irish travellers can do as they please with impunity, while the rest of the worlds ethnic peoples that come to this country cannot.[/p][/quote]And please tell us (because the authorities don't appear to want to ask) what is 'Irish' and ethnic about the many illegal campers with broad Merseyside and Yorkshire accents driving around in new UK registered and plated motorhomes, vans and very expensive cars?[/p][/quote]In actual fact a group of the recent visitors while visiting the local co-op in Columbia Road in their dressing gowns (put that in for theatrical effect) were indeed speaking with a Merseyside accent and if the truth was known have never set foot in Ireland. hope you are well Muscliffman haven't crossed swords with you lately :) retry69
  • Score: 8

1:22pm Sat 2 Aug 14

contric says...

i think an ideal place for a temporary site would be holdenhurst just off the spur road just by the village hall a nice big field there and access on to the spur road when they leave
i think an ideal place for a temporary site would be holdenhurst just off the spur road just by the village hall a nice big field there and access on to the spur road when they leave contric
  • Score: -2

1:29pm Sat 2 Aug 14

rubberbandman5 says...

Think long and hard about this story and the European Court of human rights that tells us to F*** OFF when we complain. That is one of many reasons the Lib-Lab-Cons are going to be wiped out at the next general election.
Think long and hard about this story and the European Court of human rights that tells us to F*** OFF when we complain. That is one of many reasons the Lib-Lab-Cons are going to be wiped out at the next general election. rubberbandman5
  • Score: 4

1:30pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Nickydoonah says...

I like their big caravans and cars a lot
I also like their open air life style
But I don't like smelly whinging bed sit georges you know it is
I like their big caravans and cars a lot I also like their open air life style But I don't like smelly whinging bed sit georges you know it is Nickydoonah
  • Score: -17

1:34pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Baysider says...

Peroni wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Peroni wrote:
Baysider wrote:
wonderway wrote:
they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers

where their passports

where do they live when not plauging the human race

they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around

we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law

if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents

our authorities are gutless wonders

irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.
...and again, YOU CANNOT ARREST EVERYONE ON SITE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BROKE A PADLOCK! Yeah they all benefitted but our courts are funny about having to have proper evidence of exactly who did what (or what fly tip is whose) and rightly so.
The police have stood by and watch them break padlocks and fences ....
They see that some vehicles have no number plates, they get calls from members of the public that have been threatend and intimidated, they get calls from shop owners that have had them shop lifting !!!!
Funny how the police film in public disorders but not against these people

Also don't forget that the public funds still pay for that permenant site at Mannings Heath Road !!!'
There is zero reliable evidence that police officers have stood by and watched criminal damage occuring. If there were I would expect those officers to have been reported by those members of the public witnessing thus and to have been dealt with. Don't confuse a few posters seeing the aftermath of travellers breaking onto a piece of land and embellishing what they think happened with reality.
Are for real ?
You gave no idea then ,what has been going on !
These lower than life bottom feeders are not worth defending !!!!
Who's defending them? Go back and find a post from me in support of their lifestyle or criminality. When you can't (and you won't) an apology might be appropriate perhaps?
[quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers where their passports where do they live when not plauging the human race they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents our authorities are gutless wonders irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.[/p][/quote]...and again, YOU CANNOT ARREST EVERYONE ON SITE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BROKE A PADLOCK! Yeah they all benefitted but our courts are funny about having to have proper evidence of exactly who did what (or what fly tip is whose) and rightly so.[/p][/quote]The police have stood by and watch them break padlocks and fences .... They see that some vehicles have no number plates, they get calls from members of the public that have been threatend and intimidated, they get calls from shop owners that have had them shop lifting !!!! Funny how the police film in public disorders but not against these people Also don't forget that the public funds still pay for that permenant site at Mannings Heath Road !!!'[/p][/quote]There is zero reliable evidence that police officers have stood by and watched criminal damage occuring. If there were I would expect those officers to have been reported by those members of the public witnessing thus and to have been dealt with. Don't confuse a few posters seeing the aftermath of travellers breaking onto a piece of land and embellishing what they think happened with reality.[/p][/quote]Are for real ? You gave no idea then ,what has been going on ! These lower than life bottom feeders are not worth defending !!!![/p][/quote]Who's defending them? Go back and find a post from me in support of their lifestyle or criminality. When you can't (and you won't) an apology might be appropriate perhaps? Baysider
  • Score: -2

1:45pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Baysider says...

muscliffman wrote:
Wackerone wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
dogsoftheworld wrote:
Townee wrote:
It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down.
The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe.

The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.
Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing.
It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.
It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned?

It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?
Correct, the original ruling about this 'ethnic traveller' recognition was made in the UK not the EU, it is however now very well supported by rafts of EU 'rights' law.

So maybe time to fight fire with fire, because the majority of taxpaying law abiding residents are the ones who now very clearly feel THEY are being discriminated against by their own public servants.

The Police and the Councils are arguably discriminating in favour of a minority of people of usually it appears unestablished 'race' whom they choose to place in a position completely above the laws we other citizens all have to abide by - basically it seems because it's their easiest option.

So perhaps we do need a credible champion to legally pursue those authorities for serious racial discrimination - against the decent British taxpayer.
I still don't see what their ethnicity has do with the laws of the land. What ever ethnic origin people come from, whether white Anglo Saxon, black African, Australian Aborigine, Asian, Eskimo or Irish traveller, the law is there to be kept and upheld. Please tell me why Irish travellers can do as they please with impunity, while the rest of the worlds ethnic peoples that come to this country cannot.
And please tell us (because the authorities don't appear to want to ask) what is 'Irish' and ethnic about the many illegal campers with broad Merseyside and Yorkshire accents driving around in new UK registered and plated motorhomes, vans and very expensive cars?
Sweet Jesus, again with the accent and GB registered car argument Muzzy. As if that is the sole factor in determining ethnicity or nationality. Well once again, can you explain how the 100,000 of Brits all over the world driving French/Spanish/Austr
alian/USA, etc registered vehicles are still British then but this lot can't claim to be Irish?
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wackerone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogsoftheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down. The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe. The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.[/p][/quote]Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing. It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.[/p][/quote]It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned? It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?[/p][/quote]Correct, the original ruling about this 'ethnic traveller' recognition was made in the UK not the EU, it is however now very well supported by rafts of EU 'rights' law. So maybe time to fight fire with fire, because the majority of taxpaying law abiding residents are the ones who now very clearly feel THEY are being discriminated against by their own public servants. The Police and the Councils are arguably discriminating in favour of a minority of people of usually it appears unestablished 'race' whom they choose to place in a position completely above the laws we other citizens all have to abide by - basically it seems because it's their easiest option. So perhaps we do need a credible champion to legally pursue those authorities for serious racial discrimination - against the decent British taxpayer.[/p][/quote]I still don't see what their ethnicity has do with the laws of the land. What ever ethnic origin people come from, whether white Anglo Saxon, black African, Australian Aborigine, Asian, Eskimo or Irish traveller, the law is there to be kept and upheld. Please tell me why Irish travellers can do as they please with impunity, while the rest of the worlds ethnic peoples that come to this country cannot.[/p][/quote]And please tell us (because the authorities don't appear to want to ask) what is 'Irish' and ethnic about the many illegal campers with broad Merseyside and Yorkshire accents driving around in new UK registered and plated motorhomes, vans and very expensive cars?[/p][/quote]Sweet Jesus, again with the accent and GB registered car argument Muzzy. As if that is the sole factor in determining ethnicity or nationality. Well once again, can you explain how the 100,000 of Brits all over the world driving French/Spanish/Austr alian/USA, etc registered vehicles are still British then but this lot can't claim to be Irish? Baysider
  • Score: -14

2:06pm Sat 2 Aug 14

cheeriedriteup says...

Bring in the British Army, oh on second thoughts let's hire in the American Army to sort this lot out
Bring in the British Army, oh on second thoughts let's hire in the American Army to sort this lot out cheeriedriteup
  • Score: 6

2:54pm Sat 2 Aug 14

DiggerRuss says...

A farmer in Brussels hired a dj who played 90db music until travellers left his field. Why don't we just have a dj and a big party for us locals tonight, tomorrow and so on, after all we pay our taxes to use the facilities!
A farmer in Brussels hired a dj who played 90db music until travellers left his field. Why don't we just have a dj and a big party for us locals tonight, tomorrow and so on, after all we pay our taxes to use the facilities! DiggerRuss
  • Score: 7

3:10pm Sat 2 Aug 14

mableone says...

Did they not have fixed site at Tower Park with all the facilities. As I recall their kids set fire to the shower block, has not been used since and is now used as a tip.
Did they not have fixed site at Tower Park with all the facilities. As I recall their kids set fire to the shower block, has not been used since and is now used as a tip. mableone
  • Score: 2

3:39pm Sat 2 Aug 14

holdinkæft says...

Baysider wrote:
wonderway wrote:
they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers

where their passports

where do they live when not plauging the human race

they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around

we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law

if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents

our authorities are gutless wonders

irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.
As this "arrest everyone on site" rhetoric is proving so popular let's follow your argument through shall we? The police turn up on site. There are perhaps as many as 30-40 adults or juveniles there. Any one of them may have been responsible for taking the bolt croppers to the lock. But, for arguments sake you decide to arrest them all for criminal damage. Now you need, probably every available officer and vehicle in Dorset on scene within a few minutes to stop the possible offenders wandering or driving off. Assuming you get say 100 officers there within 5 minutes you know start arresting them. Now, all but a few of them, didn't cut the padlock so what you now have is a pretty volatile and angry crowd kicking off so you are definitely going to need some form of riot trained police and probably the helicopter up to keep an eye on the situation. After you've arrested them you now have to process them. There are not enough custody suites and officers available in Poole or Bournemouth to handle that amount at once let alone cells due to cuts to police funding (thanks for that Mr Burns btw). Again assume somehow you have enough officers to interview them all under arrest. Not one of them is going to assist your investigation or confess so now, your cells are full, you've no one left on patrol or doing anything else and you are no further forward at all but you've tied up the entire divisions resources already for hours. But, hang on...what about the kids back at the site. You've just arrested all the adults what are you going to do with them in the meantime? They've no family locally to place them with while their parents are dealt with. No problem let's call social services they've got nothing else to do except sort out emergency care for a dozen traveller children have they? And bags of money to do it with too...and all this for what? A broken padlock or some rubble that takes a morning to clear up...
wow, you make things difficult.
just get 2 coaches, transport them to hurn airport and fly them to Dublin.
Sell off the caravans to pay off the costs.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers where their passports where do they live when not plauging the human race they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents our authorities are gutless wonders irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.[/p][/quote]As this "arrest everyone on site" rhetoric is proving so popular let's follow your argument through shall we? The police turn up on site. There are perhaps as many as 30-40 adults or juveniles there. Any one of them may have been responsible for taking the bolt croppers to the lock. But, for arguments sake you decide to arrest them all for criminal damage. Now you need, probably every available officer and vehicle in Dorset on scene within a few minutes to stop the possible offenders wandering or driving off. Assuming you get say 100 officers there within 5 minutes you know start arresting them. Now, all but a few of them, didn't cut the padlock so what you now have is a pretty volatile and angry crowd kicking off so you are definitely going to need some form of riot trained police and probably the helicopter up to keep an eye on the situation. After you've arrested them you now have to process them. There are not enough custody suites and officers available in Poole or Bournemouth to handle that amount at once let alone cells due to cuts to police funding (thanks for that Mr Burns btw). Again assume somehow you have enough officers to interview them all under arrest. Not one of them is going to assist your investigation or confess so now, your cells are full, you've no one left on patrol or doing anything else and you are no further forward at all but you've tied up the entire divisions resources already for hours. But, hang on...what about the kids back at the site. You've just arrested all the adults what are you going to do with them in the meantime? They've no family locally to place them with while their parents are dealt with. No problem let's call social services they've got nothing else to do except sort out emergency care for a dozen traveller children have they? And bags of money to do it with too...and all this for what? A broken padlock or some rubble that takes a morning to clear up...[/p][/quote]wow, you make things difficult. just get 2 coaches, transport them to hurn airport and fly them to Dublin. Sell off the caravans to pay off the costs. holdinkæft
  • Score: 1

4:44pm Sat 2 Aug 14

TheDistrict says...

The last word should read MPs
The last word should read MPs TheDistrict
  • Score: 0

4:46pm Sat 2 Aug 14

BmthNewshound says...

These illegal encampments happen every year so why is it only now that Burns is showing concern ? Surely it wouldn't be anything to do with next years general election.
These illegal encampments happen every year so why is it only now that Burns is showing concern ? Surely it wouldn't be anything to do with next years general election. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 5

5:04pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

Baysider wrote:
wonderway wrote:
they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers

where their passports

where do they live when not plauging the human race

they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around

we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law

if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents

our authorities are gutless wonders

irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.
As this "arrest everyone on site" rhetoric is proving so popular let's follow your argument through shall we? The police turn up on site. There are perhaps as many as 30-40 adults or juveniles there. Any one of them may have been responsible for taking the bolt croppers to the lock. But, for arguments sake you decide to arrest them all for criminal damage. Now you need, probably every available officer and vehicle in Dorset on scene within a few minutes to stop the possible offenders wandering or driving off. Assuming you get say 100 officers there within 5 minutes you know start arresting them. Now, all but a few of them, didn't cut the padlock so what you now have is a pretty volatile and angry crowd kicking off so you are definitely going to need some form of riot trained police and probably the helicopter up to keep an eye on the situation. After you've arrested them you now have to process them. There are not enough custody suites and officers available in Poole or Bournemouth to handle that amount at once let alone cells due to cuts to police funding (thanks for that Mr Burns btw). Again assume somehow you have enough officers to interview them all under arrest. Not one of them is going to assist your investigation or confess so now, your cells are full, you've no one left on patrol or doing anything else and you are no further forward at all but you've tied up the entire divisions resources already for hours. But, hang on...what about the kids back at the site. You've just arrested all the adults what are you going to do with them in the meantime? They've no family locally to place them with while their parents are dealt with. No problem let's call social services they've got nothing else to do except sort out emergency care for a dozen traveller children have they? And bags of money to do it with too...and all this for what? A broken padlock or some rubble that takes a morning to clear up...
What absolute nonsense !

We are one of the wealthiest countries in the world and we can not afford to police flagrant law breaking ?

Or in reality, when it comes to football matches and anti fracking demonstrations there is always plenty enough police to enforce the rules.

ps the usual procedure is for an unmarked car with women and children to go ahead and 'open' the field with boltcutters. I do not believe it is beyond the wit of the council and police to identify these cars and charge the adults ... even though the children carrying out the actions are below the age of criminal responsibility.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers where their passports where do they live when not plauging the human race they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents our authorities are gutless wonders irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.[/p][/quote]As this "arrest everyone on site" rhetoric is proving so popular let's follow your argument through shall we? The police turn up on site. There are perhaps as many as 30-40 adults or juveniles there. Any one of them may have been responsible for taking the bolt croppers to the lock. But, for arguments sake you decide to arrest them all for criminal damage. Now you need, probably every available officer and vehicle in Dorset on scene within a few minutes to stop the possible offenders wandering or driving off. Assuming you get say 100 officers there within 5 minutes you know start arresting them. Now, all but a few of them, didn't cut the padlock so what you now have is a pretty volatile and angry crowd kicking off so you are definitely going to need some form of riot trained police and probably the helicopter up to keep an eye on the situation. After you've arrested them you now have to process them. There are not enough custody suites and officers available in Poole or Bournemouth to handle that amount at once let alone cells due to cuts to police funding (thanks for that Mr Burns btw). Again assume somehow you have enough officers to interview them all under arrest. Not one of them is going to assist your investigation or confess so now, your cells are full, you've no one left on patrol or doing anything else and you are no further forward at all but you've tied up the entire divisions resources already for hours. But, hang on...what about the kids back at the site. You've just arrested all the adults what are you going to do with them in the meantime? They've no family locally to place them with while their parents are dealt with. No problem let's call social services they've got nothing else to do except sort out emergency care for a dozen traveller children have they? And bags of money to do it with too...and all this for what? A broken padlock or some rubble that takes a morning to clear up...[/p][/quote]What absolute nonsense ! We are one of the wealthiest countries in the world and we can not afford to police flagrant law breaking ? Or in reality, when it comes to football matches and anti fracking demonstrations there is always plenty enough police to enforce the rules. ps the usual procedure is for an unmarked car with women and children to go ahead and 'open' the field with boltcutters. I do not believe it is beyond the wit of the council and police to identify these cars and charge the adults ... even though the children carrying out the actions are below the age of criminal responsibility. Bob49
  • Score: 8

5:26pm Sat 2 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

Clearly I'm a bit thick as I don't understand how you can have a permanent site for travellors. What am I missing?

Further I still think the best long term solution for this lot is cocktails. They wouldn't be vodka-martini but the travellors would be both shaken and stirred, with fry also coming into the picture.
Clearly I'm a bit thick as I don't understand how you can have a permanent site for travellors. What am I missing? Further I still think the best long term solution for this lot is cocktails. They wouldn't be vodka-martini but the travellors would be both shaken and stirred, with fry also coming into the picture. breamoreboy
  • Score: -2

5:33pm Sat 2 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

pete woodley wrote:
Another Conning Burns publicity stunt,he is a complete waste of space.
Maybe, but I'll happily take bets that he gets re-elected, albeit with possibly a reduced majority.
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Another Conning Burns publicity stunt,he is a complete waste of space.[/p][/quote]Maybe, but I'll happily take bets that he gets re-elected, albeit with possibly a reduced majority. breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

5:37pm Sat 2 Aug 14

O'Reilly says...

DiggerRuss wrote:
A farmer in Brussels hired a dj who played 90db music until travellers left his field. Why don't we just have a dj and a big party for us locals tonight, tomorrow and so on, after all we pay our taxes to use the facilities!
LOL............a visiting German Oompah Band shifted a load of 'caravaners' from outside Christchurch Town Hall on a Sunday morning some years back when they decided to do some band practice.
[quote][p][bold]DiggerRuss[/bold] wrote: A farmer in Brussels hired a dj who played 90db music until travellers left his field. Why don't we just have a dj and a big party for us locals tonight, tomorrow and so on, after all we pay our taxes to use the facilities![/p][/quote]LOL............a visiting German Oompah Band shifted a load of 'caravaners' from outside Christchurch Town Hall on a Sunday morning some years back when they decided to do some band practice. O'Reilly
  • Score: 4

5:46pm Sat 2 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

neilf2006 wrote:
My goodness, someone in the Tory pr machine must have told Conor Burns its time to show himself. Its taken a while!

Meanwhile Toby Ellwood is concerned about mobile phones on beaches !

The dynamic duo ride again?
We've had Morecombe and Wise, Little and Large, Laurel and Hardy, the Two Ronnies, Hale and Pace, Abbott and Costello, now we've got Ellwood and Burns. From what I gather the latter isn't much of an act, good job I'm on the other side of the River Stour and Christchurch Harbour.
[quote][p][bold]neilf2006[/bold] wrote: My goodness, someone in the Tory pr machine must have told Conor Burns its time to show himself. Its taken a while! Meanwhile Toby Ellwood is concerned about mobile phones on beaches ! The dynamic duo ride again?[/p][/quote]We've had Morecombe and Wise, Little and Large, Laurel and Hardy, the Two Ronnies, Hale and Pace, Abbott and Costello, now we've got Ellwood and Burns. From what I gather the latter isn't much of an act, good job I'm on the other side of the River Stour and Christchurch Harbour. breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

5:53pm Sat 2 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

rubberbandman5 wrote:
Think long and hard about this story and the European Court of human rights that tells us to F*** OFF when we complain. That is one of many reasons the Lib-Lab-Cons are going to be wiped out at the next general election.
Cloud cuckoo land, I very much doubt that UKIP will win a single seat, mainly because their supporters are mostly so thick they can't spell 'X' correctly.
[quote][p][bold]rubberbandman5[/bold] wrote: Think long and hard about this story and the European Court of human rights that tells us to F*** OFF when we complain. That is one of many reasons the Lib-Lab-Cons are going to be wiped out at the next general election.[/p][/quote]Cloud cuckoo land, I very much doubt that UKIP will win a single seat, mainly because their supporters are mostly so thick they can't spell 'X' correctly. breamoreboy
  • Score: -5

5:56pm Sat 2 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

Nickydoonah wrote:
I like their big caravans and cars a lot
I also like their open air life style
But I don't like smelly whinging bed sit georges you know it is
I certainly prefer the travellors to your pathetic comments. p.s. how are your Polish and history lessons going? Can we start you on potty training next week?
[quote][p][bold]Nickydoonah[/bold] wrote: I like their big caravans and cars a lot I also like their open air life style But I don't like smelly whinging bed sit georges you know it is[/p][/quote]I certainly prefer the travellors to your pathetic comments. p.s. how are your Polish and history lessons going? Can we start you on potty training next week? breamoreboy
  • Score: 4

5:59pm Sat 2 Aug 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

billy bumble wrote:
I REALLY don't understand this

I accept that with our current stupid laws moving them on is a problem

But these people are breaking all sorts of laws - why can't our useless police do something about it ?

Too scared i suppose

It really is a disgrace what has happened to this country's police forces
Exactly! Too scared to deal with the town's problems but still bumble around trying to look cool posing in sunglasses.
.
Dorset police are weak, pathetic and a waste of our taxes.
[quote][p][bold]billy bumble[/bold] wrote: I REALLY don't understand this I accept that with our current stupid laws moving them on is a problem But these people are breaking all sorts of laws - why can't our useless police do something about it ? Too scared i suppose It really is a disgrace what has happened to this country's police forces[/p][/quote]Exactly! Too scared to deal with the town's problems but still bumble around trying to look cool posing in sunglasses. . Dorset police are weak, pathetic and a waste of our taxes. HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 4

6:01pm Sat 2 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

DiggerRuss wrote:
A farmer in Brussels hired a dj who played 90db music until travellers left his field. Why don't we just have a dj and a big party for us locals tonight, tomorrow and so on, after all we pay our taxes to use the facilities!
A late aquaintance pursuaded them to leave his land in Christchurch some years ago by pointing at the line of lorries, bulldozers and JCBs and stating that if they weren't gone within 24 hours, they'd never leave. They left rather rapidly.
[quote][p][bold]DiggerRuss[/bold] wrote: A farmer in Brussels hired a dj who played 90db music until travellers left his field. Why don't we just have a dj and a big party for us locals tonight, tomorrow and so on, after all we pay our taxes to use the facilities![/p][/quote]A late aquaintance pursuaded them to leave his land in Christchurch some years ago by pointing at the line of lorries, bulldozers and JCBs and stating that if they weren't gone within 24 hours, they'd never leave. They left rather rapidly. breamoreboy
  • Score: 6

6:05pm Sat 2 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

TheDistrict wrote:
The last word should read MPs
I actually like the "desiccated our open spaces". Do we get coconuts thrown in?
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: The last word should read MPs[/p][/quote]I actually like the "desiccated our open spaces". Do we get coconuts thrown in? breamoreboy
  • Score: 2

7:07pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Minty Fresh says...

Baysider wrote:
Where's this camp going then Connor? You saw what happened when Poole tried to introduce a temporary one open for a few months only. Imagine trying to get a perminent site through planning locally! Ýou can tell an election's coming though eh...
On every traveller story, there you are talking your complete cr*p.
Everyone apart form you it seems realises that travellers need to be dealt with in the same way the rest of us would if we broke the laws they do day after day. Yet you, and a few others, regularly defend these nomadic filth. Why? I suspect you're one of them, sent here to troll these stories and bate decent people who are sick of traveller incursions.

And what does the part-time anonymous Editor of this rag think of the situation? Oh yeah, nothing obviously, as he's kept his head firmly under his desk in Weymouth, no doubt at the behest of Newsquest management who are too scared to back it's local readers in case they get sued by the gypsies on some bogus racism charge, resulting in them having to employ their lawyers at great cost. Heaven forbid that a local paper should do what a local paper is meant to do and back it's readers on important local issues.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Where's this camp going then Connor? You saw what happened when Poole tried to introduce a temporary one open for a few months only. Imagine trying to get a perminent site through planning locally! Ýou can tell an election's coming though eh...[/p][/quote]On every traveller story, there you are talking your complete cr*p. Everyone apart form you it seems realises that travellers need to be dealt with in the same way the rest of us would if we broke the laws they do day after day. Yet you, and a few others, regularly defend these nomadic filth. Why? I suspect you're one of them, sent here to troll these stories and bate decent people who are sick of traveller incursions. And what does the part-time anonymous Editor of this rag think of the situation? Oh yeah, nothing obviously, as he's kept his head firmly under his desk in Weymouth, no doubt at the behest of Newsquest management who are too scared to back it's local readers in case they get sued by the gypsies on some bogus racism charge, resulting in them having to employ their lawyers at great cost. Heaven forbid that a local paper should do what a local paper is meant to do and back it's readers on important local issues. Minty Fresh
  • Score: 5

8:06pm Sat 2 Aug 14

askquestion says...

do people remember how long it took for the long suffering rate/tax payers in Essex to get rid of that encampment? the authorities spent a fortune supporting the rights of those illegally camped. meantime residents lives were made a misery. there were only 12 caravans last Saturday if the powers that we pay for had done thier job, we wouldnt have finished up with the numbers that were there. crime prevention seems a no go area in this sleepy town. there should be barricades in place at all these green, and not so pleasant, parks. low enough to prevent caravans from entering the land.

as for worrying about thier kids. i would have thought that livng among thier own excrement would not be too healthy ! where were the environmental services when all the filth from these bog dwellers was being tossed into the bushes ?. it seem very clear that as with Essex, the police are scared witless of these people. do we not have a dog squad no one on horse back.? works against animal protesters !

im too old now to get out of this backward town, but despair for the future of ths country when we allow all and sundry to abuse it.
do people remember how long it took for the long suffering rate/tax payers in Essex to get rid of that encampment? the authorities spent a fortune supporting the rights of those illegally camped. meantime residents lives were made a misery. there were only 12 caravans last Saturday if the powers that we pay for had done thier job, we wouldnt have finished up with the numbers that were there. crime prevention seems a no go area in this sleepy town. there should be barricades in place at all these green, and not so pleasant, parks. low enough to prevent caravans from entering the land. as for worrying about thier kids. i would have thought that livng among thier own excrement would not be too healthy ! where were the environmental services when all the filth from these bog dwellers was being tossed into the bushes ?. it seem very clear that as with Essex, the police are scared witless of these people. do we not have a dog squad no one on horse back.? works against animal protesters ! im too old now to get out of this backward town, but despair for the future of ths country when we allow all and sundry to abuse it. askquestion
  • Score: 8

8:47pm Sat 2 Aug 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Wackerone wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
dogsoftheworld wrote:
Townee wrote:
It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down.
The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe.

The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.
Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing.
It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.
It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned?

It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?
Correct, the original ruling about this 'ethnic traveller' recognition was made in the UK not the EU, it is however now very well supported by rafts of EU 'rights' law.

So maybe time to fight fire with fire, because the majority of taxpaying law abiding residents are the ones who now very clearly feel THEY are being discriminated against by their own public servants.

The Police and the Councils are arguably discriminating in favour of a minority of people of usually it appears unestablished 'race' whom they choose to place in a position completely above the laws we other citizens all have to abide by - basically it seems because it's their easiest option.

So perhaps we do need a credible champion to legally pursue those authorities for serious racial discrimination - against the decent British taxpayer.
I still don't see what their ethnicity has do with the laws of the land. What ever ethnic origin people come from, whether white Anglo Saxon, black African, Australian Aborigine, Asian, Eskimo or Irish traveller, the law is there to be kept and upheld. Please tell me why Irish travellers can do as they please with impunity, while the rest of the worlds ethnic peoples that come to this country cannot.
And please tell us (because the authorities don't appear to want to ask) what is 'Irish' and ethnic about the many illegal campers with broad Merseyside and Yorkshire accents driving around in new UK registered and plated motorhomes, vans and very expensive cars?
Sweet Jesus, again with the accent and GB registered car argument Muzzy. As if that is the sole factor in determining ethnicity or nationality. Well once again, can you explain how the 100,000 of Brits all over the world driving French/Spanish/Austr

alian/USA, etc registered vehicles are still British then but this lot can't claim to be Irish?
Staying on the religious theme ,God your tedious
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wackerone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogsoftheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down. The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe. The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.[/p][/quote]Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing. It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.[/p][/quote]It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned? It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?[/p][/quote]Correct, the original ruling about this 'ethnic traveller' recognition was made in the UK not the EU, it is however now very well supported by rafts of EU 'rights' law. So maybe time to fight fire with fire, because the majority of taxpaying law abiding residents are the ones who now very clearly feel THEY are being discriminated against by their own public servants. The Police and the Councils are arguably discriminating in favour of a minority of people of usually it appears unestablished 'race' whom they choose to place in a position completely above the laws we other citizens all have to abide by - basically it seems because it's their easiest option. So perhaps we do need a credible champion to legally pursue those authorities for serious racial discrimination - against the decent British taxpayer.[/p][/quote]I still don't see what their ethnicity has do with the laws of the land. What ever ethnic origin people come from, whether white Anglo Saxon, black African, Australian Aborigine, Asian, Eskimo or Irish traveller, the law is there to be kept and upheld. Please tell me why Irish travellers can do as they please with impunity, while the rest of the worlds ethnic peoples that come to this country cannot.[/p][/quote]And please tell us (because the authorities don't appear to want to ask) what is 'Irish' and ethnic about the many illegal campers with broad Merseyside and Yorkshire accents driving around in new UK registered and plated motorhomes, vans and very expensive cars?[/p][/quote]Sweet Jesus, again with the accent and GB registered car argument Muzzy. As if that is the sole factor in determining ethnicity or nationality. Well once again, can you explain how the 100,000 of Brits all over the world driving French/Spanish/Austr alian/USA, etc registered vehicles are still British then but this lot can't claim to be Irish?[/p][/quote]Staying on the religious theme ,God your tedious kalebmoledirt
  • Score: -1

9:23pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Nickydoonah says...

The regatta rowers in Hamwerthy park have made a right ******* mess
its like a tip, rubbish all over the place
I hope they don't expect the gypsies to clean up their mess when they all gone
the corner where the travellers stay is immaculate you know it is .
The regatta rowers in Hamwerthy park have made a right ******* mess its like a tip, rubbish all over the place I hope they don't expect the gypsies to clean up their mess when they all gone the corner where the travellers stay is immaculate you know it is . Nickydoonah
  • Score: -6

9:41pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Nickydoonah says...

I saw Bruce Forsythe in Hamworthy park today
I think it was him you know
he was talking to the travellers
I heard him say
NICE TO SEE YOU TO SEE YOU NICE
I saw Bruce Forsythe in Hamworthy park today I think it was him you know he was talking to the travellers I heard him say NICE TO SEE YOU TO SEE YOU NICE Nickydoonah
  • Score: -5

9:44pm Sat 2 Aug 14

billy bumble says...

I hope none of you who may be going to the Steam Fair will buy anything from the stalls down the hill

Impact their income and they will stop goignthere
I hope none of you who may be going to the Steam Fair will buy anything from the stalls down the hill Impact their income and they will stop goignthere billy bumble
  • Score: 4

11:08pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Baysider says...

Minty Fresh wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Where's this camp going then Connor? You saw what happened when Poole tried to introduce a temporary one open for a few months only. Imagine trying to get a perminent site through planning locally! Ýou can tell an election's coming though eh...
On every traveller story, there you are talking your complete cr*p.
Everyone apart form you it seems realises that travellers need to be dealt with in the same way the rest of us would if we broke the laws they do day after day. Yet you, and a few others, regularly defend these nomadic filth. Why? I suspect you're one of them, sent here to troll these stories and bate decent people who are sick of traveller incursions.

And what does the part-time anonymous Editor of this rag think of the situation? Oh yeah, nothing obviously, as he's kept his head firmly under his desk in Weymouth, no doubt at the behest of Newsquest management who are too scared to back it's local readers in case they get sued by the gypsies on some bogus racism charge, resulting in them having to employ their lawyers at great cost. Heaven forbid that a local paper should do what a local paper is meant to do and back it's readers on important local issues.
Firstly numpty I have never defended them. Not once and would be very happy if we never had the same situation ever again (but we will though). I challenge you as well to find a post of mine that, when you read it, supports their lifestyle or criminality. Secondly, I set out a very realistic scenario of the problems faced by the police or local authorities but because it doesn't fit in with what you want to think you chose to label it as cr@p rather. Go on then numpty, if YOU were the first police officer on site and saw a broken padlock on the floor and 20 people denying they did, tell us what YOU would do if YOU have all the answers?
[quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Where's this camp going then Connor? You saw what happened when Poole tried to introduce a temporary one open for a few months only. Imagine trying to get a perminent site through planning locally! Ýou can tell an election's coming though eh...[/p][/quote]On every traveller story, there you are talking your complete cr*p. Everyone apart form you it seems realises that travellers need to be dealt with in the same way the rest of us would if we broke the laws they do day after day. Yet you, and a few others, regularly defend these nomadic filth. Why? I suspect you're one of them, sent here to troll these stories and bate decent people who are sick of traveller incursions. And what does the part-time anonymous Editor of this rag think of the situation? Oh yeah, nothing obviously, as he's kept his head firmly under his desk in Weymouth, no doubt at the behest of Newsquest management who are too scared to back it's local readers in case they get sued by the gypsies on some bogus racism charge, resulting in them having to employ their lawyers at great cost. Heaven forbid that a local paper should do what a local paper is meant to do and back it's readers on important local issues.[/p][/quote]Firstly numpty I have never defended them. Not once and would be very happy if we never had the same situation ever again (but we will though). I challenge you as well to find a post of mine that, when you read it, supports their lifestyle or criminality. Secondly, I set out a very realistic scenario of the problems faced by the police or local authorities but because it doesn't fit in with what you want to think you chose to label it as cr@p rather. Go on then numpty, if YOU were the first police officer on site and saw a broken padlock on the floor and 20 people denying they did, tell us what YOU would do if YOU have all the answers? Baysider
  • Score: 1

11:12pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Baysider says...

Baysider wrote:
Peroni wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Peroni wrote:
Baysider wrote:
wonderway wrote:
they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers

where their passports

where do they live when not plauging the human race

they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around

we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law

if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents

our authorities are gutless wonders

irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.
...and again, YOU CANNOT ARREST EVERYONE ON SITE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BROKE A PADLOCK! Yeah they all benefitted but our courts are funny about having to have proper evidence of exactly who did what (or what fly tip is whose) and rightly so.
The police have stood by and watch them break padlocks and fences ....
They see that some vehicles have no number plates, they get calls from members of the public that have been threatend and intimidated, they get calls from shop owners that have had them shop lifting !!!!
Funny how the police film in public disorders but not against these people

Also don't forget that the public funds still pay for that permenant site at Mannings Heath Road !!!'
There is zero reliable evidence that police officers have stood by and watched criminal damage occuring. If there were I would expect those officers to have been reported by those members of the public witnessing thus and to have been dealt with. Don't confuse a few posters seeing the aftermath of travellers breaking onto a piece of land and embellishing what they think happened with reality.
Are for real ?
You gave no idea then ,what has been going on !
These lower than life bottom feeders are not worth defending !!!!
Who's defending them? Go back and find a post from me in support of their lifestyle or criminality. When you can't (and you won't) an apology might be appropriate perhaps?
I'll have that apology when you're ready Peroni...
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers where their passports where do they live when not plauging the human race they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents our authorities are gutless wonders irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.[/p][/quote]...and again, YOU CANNOT ARREST EVERYONE ON SITE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BROKE A PADLOCK! Yeah they all benefitted but our courts are funny about having to have proper evidence of exactly who did what (or what fly tip is whose) and rightly so.[/p][/quote]The police have stood by and watch them break padlocks and fences .... They see that some vehicles have no number plates, they get calls from members of the public that have been threatend and intimidated, they get calls from shop owners that have had them shop lifting !!!! Funny how the police film in public disorders but not against these people Also don't forget that the public funds still pay for that permenant site at Mannings Heath Road !!!'[/p][/quote]There is zero reliable evidence that police officers have stood by and watched criminal damage occuring. If there were I would expect those officers to have been reported by those members of the public witnessing thus and to have been dealt with. Don't confuse a few posters seeing the aftermath of travellers breaking onto a piece of land and embellishing what they think happened with reality.[/p][/quote]Are for real ? You gave no idea then ,what has been going on ! These lower than life bottom feeders are not worth defending !!!![/p][/quote]Who's defending them? Go back and find a post from me in support of their lifestyle or criminality. When you can't (and you won't) an apology might be appropriate perhaps?[/p][/quote]I'll have that apology when you're ready Peroni... Baysider
  • Score: -1

11:20pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Baysider says...

Bob49 wrote:
Baysider wrote:
wonderway wrote:
they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers

where their passports

where do they live when not plauging the human race

they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around

we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law

if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents

our authorities are gutless wonders

irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.
As this "arrest everyone on site" rhetoric is proving so popular let's follow your argument through shall we? The police turn up on site. There are perhaps as many as 30-40 adults or juveniles there. Any one of them may have been responsible for taking the bolt croppers to the lock. But, for arguments sake you decide to arrest them all for criminal damage. Now you need, probably every available officer and vehicle in Dorset on scene within a few minutes to stop the possible offenders wandering or driving off. Assuming you get say 100 officers there within 5 minutes you know start arresting them. Now, all but a few of them, didn't cut the padlock so what you now have is a pretty volatile and angry crowd kicking off so you are definitely going to need some form of riot trained police and probably the helicopter up to keep an eye on the situation. After you've arrested them you now have to process them. There are not enough custody suites and officers available in Poole or Bournemouth to handle that amount at once let alone cells due to cuts to police funding (thanks for that Mr Burns btw). Again assume somehow you have enough officers to interview them all under arrest. Not one of them is going to assist your investigation or confess so now, your cells are full, you've no one left on patrol or doing anything else and you are no further forward at all but you've tied up the entire divisions resources already for hours. But, hang on...what about the kids back at the site. You've just arrested all the adults what are you going to do with them in the meantime? They've no family locally to place them with while their parents are dealt with. No problem let's call social services they've got nothing else to do except sort out emergency care for a dozen traveller children have they? And bags of money to do it with too...and all this for what? A broken padlock or some rubble that takes a morning to clear up...
What absolute nonsense !

We are one of the wealthiest countries in the world and we can not afford to police flagrant law breaking ?

Or in reality, when it comes to football matches and anti fracking demonstrations there is always plenty enough police to enforce the rules.

ps the usual procedure is for an unmarked car with women and children to go ahead and 'open' the field with boltcutters. I do not believe it is beyond the wit of the council and police to identify these cars and charge the adults ... even though the children carrying out the actions are below the age of criminal responsibility.
I may be wrong but both football matches and protests are normally publicised in advance? Unlike illegal encampments eh? And just how are the police or local councils going to identify these advance parties that you say happen? Are they going to employ someone to sit outside every single car park and piece of land on the off chance they might turn up? Do stop and think occasionally and stop glibly making a difficult situation sound easy...
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers where their passports where do they live when not plauging the human race they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents our authorities are gutless wonders irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.[/p][/quote]As this "arrest everyone on site" rhetoric is proving so popular let's follow your argument through shall we? The police turn up on site. There are perhaps as many as 30-40 adults or juveniles there. Any one of them may have been responsible for taking the bolt croppers to the lock. But, for arguments sake you decide to arrest them all for criminal damage. Now you need, probably every available officer and vehicle in Dorset on scene within a few minutes to stop the possible offenders wandering or driving off. Assuming you get say 100 officers there within 5 minutes you know start arresting them. Now, all but a few of them, didn't cut the padlock so what you now have is a pretty volatile and angry crowd kicking off so you are definitely going to need some form of riot trained police and probably the helicopter up to keep an eye on the situation. After you've arrested them you now have to process them. There are not enough custody suites and officers available in Poole or Bournemouth to handle that amount at once let alone cells due to cuts to police funding (thanks for that Mr Burns btw). Again assume somehow you have enough officers to interview them all under arrest. Not one of them is going to assist your investigation or confess so now, your cells are full, you've no one left on patrol or doing anything else and you are no further forward at all but you've tied up the entire divisions resources already for hours. But, hang on...what about the kids back at the site. You've just arrested all the adults what are you going to do with them in the meantime? They've no family locally to place them with while their parents are dealt with. No problem let's call social services they've got nothing else to do except sort out emergency care for a dozen traveller children have they? And bags of money to do it with too...and all this for what? A broken padlock or some rubble that takes a morning to clear up...[/p][/quote]What absolute nonsense ! We are one of the wealthiest countries in the world and we can not afford to police flagrant law breaking ? Or in reality, when it comes to football matches and anti fracking demonstrations there is always plenty enough police to enforce the rules. ps the usual procedure is for an unmarked car with women and children to go ahead and 'open' the field with boltcutters. I do not believe it is beyond the wit of the council and police to identify these cars and charge the adults ... even though the children carrying out the actions are below the age of criminal responsibility.[/p][/quote]I may be wrong but both football matches and protests are normally publicised in advance? Unlike illegal encampments eh? And just how are the police or local councils going to identify these advance parties that you say happen? Are they going to employ someone to sit outside every single car park and piece of land on the off chance they might turn up? Do stop and think occasionally and stop glibly making a difficult situation sound easy... Baysider
  • Score: 5

11:27pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Baysider says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Wackerone wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
dogsoftheworld wrote:
Townee wrote:
It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down.
The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe.

The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.
Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing.
It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.
It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned?

It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?
Correct, the original ruling about this 'ethnic traveller' recognition was made in the UK not the EU, it is however now very well supported by rafts of EU 'rights' law.

So maybe time to fight fire with fire, because the majority of taxpaying law abiding residents are the ones who now very clearly feel THEY are being discriminated against by their own public servants.

The Police and the Councils are arguably discriminating in favour of a minority of people of usually it appears unestablished 'race' whom they choose to place in a position completely above the laws we other citizens all have to abide by - basically it seems because it's their easiest option.

So perhaps we do need a credible champion to legally pursue those authorities for serious racial discrimination - against the decent British taxpayer.
I still don't see what their ethnicity has do with the laws of the land. What ever ethnic origin people come from, whether white Anglo Saxon, black African, Australian Aborigine, Asian, Eskimo or Irish traveller, the law is there to be kept and upheld. Please tell me why Irish travellers can do as they please with impunity, while the rest of the worlds ethnic peoples that come to this country cannot.
And please tell us (because the authorities don't appear to want to ask) what is 'Irish' and ethnic about the many illegal campers with broad Merseyside and Yorkshire accents driving around in new UK registered and plated motorhomes, vans and very expensive cars?
Sweet Jesus, again with the accent and GB registered car argument Muzzy. As if that is the sole factor in determining ethnicity or nationality. Well once again, can you explain how the 100,000 of Brits all over the world driving French/Spanish/Austr


alian/USA, etc registered vehicles are still British then but this lot can't claim to be Irish?
Staying on the religious theme ,God your tedious
I do apologise for not joining in the Bournemouth Echo Formation Knee Jerking Championship but it's a complicated, multi faceted issue that needs a bit more thought than you're ever likely to manage...
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wackerone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogsoftheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down. The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe. The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.[/p][/quote]Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing. It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.[/p][/quote]It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned? It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?[/p][/quote]Correct, the original ruling about this 'ethnic traveller' recognition was made in the UK not the EU, it is however now very well supported by rafts of EU 'rights' law. So maybe time to fight fire with fire, because the majority of taxpaying law abiding residents are the ones who now very clearly feel THEY are being discriminated against by their own public servants. The Police and the Councils are arguably discriminating in favour of a minority of people of usually it appears unestablished 'race' whom they choose to place in a position completely above the laws we other citizens all have to abide by - basically it seems because it's their easiest option. So perhaps we do need a credible champion to legally pursue those authorities for serious racial discrimination - against the decent British taxpayer.[/p][/quote]I still don't see what their ethnicity has do with the laws of the land. What ever ethnic origin people come from, whether white Anglo Saxon, black African, Australian Aborigine, Asian, Eskimo or Irish traveller, the law is there to be kept and upheld. Please tell me why Irish travellers can do as they please with impunity, while the rest of the worlds ethnic peoples that come to this country cannot.[/p][/quote]And please tell us (because the authorities don't appear to want to ask) what is 'Irish' and ethnic about the many illegal campers with broad Merseyside and Yorkshire accents driving around in new UK registered and plated motorhomes, vans and very expensive cars?[/p][/quote]Sweet Jesus, again with the accent and GB registered car argument Muzzy. As if that is the sole factor in determining ethnicity or nationality. Well once again, can you explain how the 100,000 of Brits all over the world driving French/Spanish/Austr alian/USA, etc registered vehicles are still British then but this lot can't claim to be Irish?[/p][/quote]Staying on the religious theme ,God your tedious[/p][/quote]I do apologise for not joining in the Bournemouth Echo Formation Knee Jerking Championship but it's a complicated, multi faceted issue that needs a bit more thought than you're ever likely to manage... Baysider
  • Score: -5

11:42pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Baysider says...

holdinkæft wrote:
Baysider wrote:
wonderway wrote:
they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers

where their passports

where do they live when not plauging the human race

they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around

we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law

if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents

our authorities are gutless wonders

irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.
As this "arrest everyone on site" rhetoric is proving so popular let's follow your argument through shall we? The police turn up on site. There are perhaps as many as 30-40 adults or juveniles there. Any one of them may have been responsible for taking the bolt croppers to the lock. But, for arguments sake you decide to arrest them all for criminal damage. Now you need, probably every available officer and vehicle in Dorset on scene within a few minutes to stop the possible offenders wandering or driving off. Assuming you get say 100 officers there within 5 minutes you know start arresting them. Now, all but a few of them, didn't cut the padlock so what you now have is a pretty volatile and angry crowd kicking off so you are definitely going to need some form of riot trained police and probably the helicopter up to keep an eye on the situation. After you've arrested them you now have to process them. There are not enough custody suites and officers available in Poole or Bournemouth to handle that amount at once let alone cells due to cuts to police funding (thanks for that Mr Burns btw). Again assume somehow you have enough officers to interview them all under arrest. Not one of them is going to assist your investigation or confess so now, your cells are full, you've no one left on patrol or doing anything else and you are no further forward at all but you've tied up the entire divisions resources already for hours. But, hang on...what about the kids back at the site. You've just arrested all the adults what are you going to do with them in the meantime? They've no family locally to place them with while their parents are dealt with. No problem let's call social services they've got nothing else to do except sort out emergency care for a dozen traveller children have they? And bags of money to do it with too...and all this for what? A broken padlock or some rubble that takes a morning to clear up...
wow, you make things difficult.
just get 2 coaches, transport them to hurn airport and fly them to Dublin.
Sell off the caravans to pay off the costs.
...where on landing they would proceed directly to the nearest lawyer and launch a huge claim for wrongful extradition and the illegal siezure and disposal of their property. I do realise you were being facetious because actually you don't have a serious response to my realistic description of the situation btw.
[quote][p][bold]holdinkæft[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers where their passports where do they live when not plauging the human race they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents our authorities are gutless wonders irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.[/p][/quote]As this "arrest everyone on site" rhetoric is proving so popular let's follow your argument through shall we? The police turn up on site. There are perhaps as many as 30-40 adults or juveniles there. Any one of them may have been responsible for taking the bolt croppers to the lock. But, for arguments sake you decide to arrest them all for criminal damage. Now you need, probably every available officer and vehicle in Dorset on scene within a few minutes to stop the possible offenders wandering or driving off. Assuming you get say 100 officers there within 5 minutes you know start arresting them. Now, all but a few of them, didn't cut the padlock so what you now have is a pretty volatile and angry crowd kicking off so you are definitely going to need some form of riot trained police and probably the helicopter up to keep an eye on the situation. After you've arrested them you now have to process them. There are not enough custody suites and officers available in Poole or Bournemouth to handle that amount at once let alone cells due to cuts to police funding (thanks for that Mr Burns btw). Again assume somehow you have enough officers to interview them all under arrest. Not one of them is going to assist your investigation or confess so now, your cells are full, you've no one left on patrol or doing anything else and you are no further forward at all but you've tied up the entire divisions resources already for hours. But, hang on...what about the kids back at the site. You've just arrested all the adults what are you going to do with them in the meantime? They've no family locally to place them with while their parents are dealt with. No problem let's call social services they've got nothing else to do except sort out emergency care for a dozen traveller children have they? And bags of money to do it with too...and all this for what? A broken padlock or some rubble that takes a morning to clear up...[/p][/quote]wow, you make things difficult. just get 2 coaches, transport them to hurn airport and fly them to Dublin. Sell off the caravans to pay off the costs.[/p][/quote]...where on landing they would proceed directly to the nearest lawyer and launch a huge claim for wrongful extradition and the illegal siezure and disposal of their property. I do realise you were being facetious because actually you don't have a serious response to my realistic description of the situation btw. Baysider
  • Score: -3

12:10am Sun 3 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

"but it's a complicated, multi faceted issue"

and there was me thinking it was a problem ... like in the old days

but it is an ishooooooo


hooray for sanitised language !
"but it's a complicated, multi faceted issue" and there was me thinking it was a problem ... like in the old days but it is an ishooooooo hooray for sanitised language ! Bob49
  • Score: -1

12:30am Sun 3 Aug 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

Nickydoonah wrote:
I saw Bruce Forsythe in Hamworthy park today
I think it was him you know
he was talking to the travellers
I heard him say
NICE TO SEE YOU TO SEE YOU NICE
We need Clint Eastwood or John Wayne's posse.
.
Bournemouth's like a wild west town with a drunken deputy hiding in the burlesque while outlaws and bandits do as they please.
.
We need a new sheriff in town!!
[quote][p][bold]Nickydoonah[/bold] wrote: I saw Bruce Forsythe in Hamworthy park today I think it was him you know he was talking to the travellers I heard him say NICE TO SEE YOU TO SEE YOU NICE[/p][/quote]We need Clint Eastwood or John Wayne's posse. . Bournemouth's like a wild west town with a drunken deputy hiding in the burlesque while outlaws and bandits do as they please. . We need a new sheriff in town!! HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 0

6:48am Sun 3 Aug 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Baysider wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Wackerone wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
dogsoftheworld wrote:
Townee wrote:
It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down.
The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe.

The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.
Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing.
It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.
It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned?

It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?
Correct, the original ruling about this 'ethnic traveller' recognition was made in the UK not the EU, it is however now very well supported by rafts of EU 'rights' law.

So maybe time to fight fire with fire, because the majority of taxpaying law abiding residents are the ones who now very clearly feel THEY are being discriminated against by their own public servants.

The Police and the Councils are arguably discriminating in favour of a minority of people of usually it appears unestablished 'race' whom they choose to place in a position completely above the laws we other citizens all have to abide by - basically it seems because it's their easiest option.

So perhaps we do need a credible champion to legally pursue those authorities for serious racial discrimination - against the decent British taxpayer.
I still don't see what their ethnicity has do with the laws of the land. What ever ethnic origin people come from, whether white Anglo Saxon, black African, Australian Aborigine, Asian, Eskimo or Irish traveller, the law is there to be kept and upheld. Please tell me why Irish travellers can do as they please with impunity, while the rest of the worlds ethnic peoples that come to this country cannot.
And please tell us (because the authorities don't appear to want to ask) what is 'Irish' and ethnic about the many illegal campers with broad Merseyside and Yorkshire accents driving around in new UK registered and plated motorhomes, vans and very expensive cars?
Sweet Jesus, again with the accent and GB registered car argument Muzzy. As if that is the sole factor in determining ethnicity or nationality. Well once again, can you explain how the 100,000 of Brits all over the world driving French/Spanish/Austr



alian/USA, etc registered vehicles are still British then but this lot can't claim to be Irish?
Staying on the religious theme ,God your tedious
I do apologise for not joining in the Bournemouth Echo Formation Knee Jerking Championship but it's a complicated, multi faceted issue that needs a bit more thought than you're ever likely to manage...
Would you have time for dancing ,you seem to spend all your time between the Kyle show and soaps boring us your with long winded opinions ,you madam have irratable vowel syndrome
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wackerone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogsoftheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down. The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe. The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.[/p][/quote]Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing. It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.[/p][/quote]It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned? It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?[/p][/quote]Correct, the original ruling about this 'ethnic traveller' recognition was made in the UK not the EU, it is however now very well supported by rafts of EU 'rights' law. So maybe time to fight fire with fire, because the majority of taxpaying law abiding residents are the ones who now very clearly feel THEY are being discriminated against by their own public servants. The Police and the Councils are arguably discriminating in favour of a minority of people of usually it appears unestablished 'race' whom they choose to place in a position completely above the laws we other citizens all have to abide by - basically it seems because it's their easiest option. So perhaps we do need a credible champion to legally pursue those authorities for serious racial discrimination - against the decent British taxpayer.[/p][/quote]I still don't see what their ethnicity has do with the laws of the land. What ever ethnic origin people come from, whether white Anglo Saxon, black African, Australian Aborigine, Asian, Eskimo or Irish traveller, the law is there to be kept and upheld. Please tell me why Irish travellers can do as they please with impunity, while the rest of the worlds ethnic peoples that come to this country cannot.[/p][/quote]And please tell us (because the authorities don't appear to want to ask) what is 'Irish' and ethnic about the many illegal campers with broad Merseyside and Yorkshire accents driving around in new UK registered and plated motorhomes, vans and very expensive cars?[/p][/quote]Sweet Jesus, again with the accent and GB registered car argument Muzzy. As if that is the sole factor in determining ethnicity or nationality. Well once again, can you explain how the 100,000 of Brits all over the world driving French/Spanish/Austr alian/USA, etc registered vehicles are still British then but this lot can't claim to be Irish?[/p][/quote]Staying on the religious theme ,God your tedious[/p][/quote]I do apologise for not joining in the Bournemouth Echo Formation Knee Jerking Championship but it's a complicated, multi faceted issue that needs a bit more thought than you're ever likely to manage...[/p][/quote]Would you have time for dancing ,you seem to spend all your time between the Kyle show and soaps boring us your with long winded opinions ,you madam have irratable vowel syndrome kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 3

7:44am Sun 3 Aug 14

Nickydoonah says...

breamoreboy wrote:
Nickydoonah wrote:
I like their big caravans and cars a lot
I also like their open air life style
But I don't like smelly whinging bed sit georges you know it is
I certainly prefer the travellors to your pathetic comments. p.s. how are your Polish and history lessons going? Can we start you on potty training next week?
Oh no not you a ******* again
what's your fascination with children and potty's
I thought saville had died you know
what is a 'travellors' Jimmy??
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickydoonah[/bold] wrote: I like their big caravans and cars a lot I also like their open air life style But I don't like smelly whinging bed sit georges you know it is[/p][/quote]I certainly prefer the travellors to your pathetic comments. p.s. how are your Polish and history lessons going? Can we start you on potty training next week?[/p][/quote]Oh no not you a ******* again what's your fascination with children and potty's I thought saville had died you know what is a 'travellors' Jimmy?? Nickydoonah
  • Score: -7

8:02am Sun 3 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

It was an English judge who ruled they are an ethnic group and can do as they like. I assume therefore that it's no good petitioning parliament to change the law because, even if the they decide to do so, there'd be the expense of preparing a bill, debating and voting on it, and they'd only be able to change the bit about how soon and why they can be moved on, if that. The travellers would soon challenge that. Presumably they'd have to go through the courts to get the court ruling overturned.

Do you really think they're that bothered about the few weeks inconvenience caused to the residents of a coastal town, a long way from Westminster and most of their own constituencies, to be willing to spend the time and money doing that? I don't. It won't benefit any of them and it won't add funds to the Treasury.

So it's a waste of time signing petitions for a change in the law. As I said earlier it needs a person with sufficient funds to be willing to risk their money going to court to try and overturn the ruling on their ethnic recognition and lifestyle.
It was an English judge who ruled they are an ethnic group and can do as they like. I assume therefore that it's no good petitioning parliament to change the law because, even if the they decide to do so, there'd be the expense of preparing a bill, debating and voting on it, and they'd only be able to change the bit about how soon and why they can be moved on, if that. The travellers would soon challenge that. Presumably they'd have to go through the courts to get the court ruling overturned. Do you really think they're that bothered about the few weeks inconvenience caused to the residents of a coastal town, a long way from Westminster and most of their own constituencies, to be willing to spend the time and money doing that? I don't. It won't benefit any of them and it won't add funds to the Treasury. So it's a waste of time signing petitions for a change in the law. As I said earlier it needs a person with sufficient funds to be willing to risk their money going to court to try and overturn the ruling on their ethnic recognition and lifestyle. Carolyn43
  • Score: 0

8:28am Sun 3 Aug 14

ashleycross says...

The law has existed for over 50 years to make it quicker to close down unauthorised camps as this MP well knows. It's just Bournemouth has chosen not to follow it by by using parks and open spaces as travelers sites instead of putting in proper sites like the rest of the country. I see he is desperately trying to win back the UKIP vote(you know, that party with plans for a jolly third world war in europe, such fun you know all that community spirit, send the young men off to die and kill a lot of foreigners, a sure vote winner in Bournemouth) by bashing travelers.
They've traveled for centuries. Hitler tried to stop them with the gas chambers and that didn't work so I hardly think a tory with a video in the local paper will work.
The law has existed for over 50 years to make it quicker to close down unauthorised camps as this MP well knows. It's just Bournemouth has chosen not to follow it by by using parks and open spaces as travelers sites instead of putting in proper sites like the rest of the country. I see he is desperately trying to win back the UKIP vote(you know, that party with plans for a jolly third world war in europe, such fun you know all that community spirit, send the young men off to die and kill a lot of foreigners, a sure vote winner in Bournemouth) by bashing travelers. They've traveled for centuries. Hitler tried to stop them with the gas chambers and that didn't work so I hardly think a tory with a video in the local paper will work. ashleycross
  • Score: -2

9:07am Sun 3 Aug 14

cromwell9 says...

retry69 wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Wackerone wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
dogsoftheworld wrote:
Townee wrote:
It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down.
The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe.

The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.
Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing.
It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.
It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned?

It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?
Correct, the original ruling about this 'ethnic traveller' recognition was made in the UK not the EU, it is however now very well supported by rafts of EU 'rights' law.

So maybe time to fight fire with fire, because the majority of taxpaying law abiding residents are the ones who now very clearly feel THEY are being discriminated against by their own public servants.

The Police and the Councils are arguably discriminating in favour of a minority of people of usually it appears unestablished 'race' whom they choose to place in a position completely above the laws we other citizens all have to abide by - basically it seems because it's their easiest option.

So perhaps we do need a credible champion to legally pursue those authorities for serious racial discrimination - against the decent British taxpayer.
I still don't see what their ethnicity has do with the laws of the land. What ever ethnic origin people come from, whether white Anglo Saxon, black African, Australian Aborigine, Asian, Eskimo or Irish traveller, the law is there to be kept and upheld. Please tell me why Irish travellers can do as they please with impunity, while the rest of the worlds ethnic peoples that come to this country cannot.
And please tell us (because the authorities don't appear to want to ask) what is 'Irish' and ethnic about the many illegal campers with broad Merseyside and Yorkshire accents driving around in new UK registered and plated motorhomes, vans and very expensive cars?
In actual fact a group of the recent visitors while visiting the local co-op in Columbia Road in their dressing gowns (put that in for theatrical effect) were indeed speaking with a Merseyside accent and if the truth was known have never set foot in Ireland. hope you are well Muscliffman haven't crossed swords with you lately :)
Same race ,Liverpool Irish.
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wackerone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogsoftheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down. The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe. The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.[/p][/quote]Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing. It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.[/p][/quote]It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned? It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?[/p][/quote]Correct, the original ruling about this 'ethnic traveller' recognition was made in the UK not the EU, it is however now very well supported by rafts of EU 'rights' law. So maybe time to fight fire with fire, because the majority of taxpaying law abiding residents are the ones who now very clearly feel THEY are being discriminated against by their own public servants. The Police and the Councils are arguably discriminating in favour of a minority of people of usually it appears unestablished 'race' whom they choose to place in a position completely above the laws we other citizens all have to abide by - basically it seems because it's their easiest option. So perhaps we do need a credible champion to legally pursue those authorities for serious racial discrimination - against the decent British taxpayer.[/p][/quote]I still don't see what their ethnicity has do with the laws of the land. What ever ethnic origin people come from, whether white Anglo Saxon, black African, Australian Aborigine, Asian, Eskimo or Irish traveller, the law is there to be kept and upheld. Please tell me why Irish travellers can do as they please with impunity, while the rest of the worlds ethnic peoples that come to this country cannot.[/p][/quote]And please tell us (because the authorities don't appear to want to ask) what is 'Irish' and ethnic about the many illegal campers with broad Merseyside and Yorkshire accents driving around in new UK registered and plated motorhomes, vans and very expensive cars?[/p][/quote]In actual fact a group of the recent visitors while visiting the local co-op in Columbia Road in their dressing gowns (put that in for theatrical effect) were indeed speaking with a Merseyside accent and if the truth was known have never set foot in Ireland. hope you are well Muscliffman haven't crossed swords with you lately :)[/p][/quote]Same race ,Liverpool Irish. cromwell9
  • Score: 4

9:17am Sun 3 Aug 14

justsayithowitis says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
It was an English judge who ruled they are an ethnic group and can do as they like. I assume therefore that it's no good petitioning parliament to change the law because, even if the they decide to do so, there'd be the expense of preparing a bill, debating and voting on it, and they'd only be able to change the bit about how soon and why they can be moved on, if that. The travellers would soon challenge that. Presumably they'd have to go through the courts to get the court ruling overturned.

Do you really think they're that bothered about the few weeks inconvenience caused to the residents of a coastal town, a long way from Westminster and most of their own constituencies, to be willing to spend the time and money doing that? I don't. It won't benefit any of them and it won't add funds to the Treasury.

So it's a waste of time signing petitions for a change in the law. As I said earlier it needs a person with sufficient funds to be willing to risk their money going to court to try and overturn the ruling on their ethnic recognition and lifestyle.
It's more of a waste of time to comment on here which achieves absolutely nothing. Why not at least try to get the law changed. Spend a few seconds signing and put one less pointless comment on here then you won't have lost any of your time and it might achieve something. If you don't try the law certainly won't get changed. http://epetitions.di
rect.gov.uk/petition
s/61822 or search epetition 61822 if the link doesn't work
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: It was an English judge who ruled they are an ethnic group and can do as they like. I assume therefore that it's no good petitioning parliament to change the law because, even if the they decide to do so, there'd be the expense of preparing a bill, debating and voting on it, and they'd only be able to change the bit about how soon and why they can be moved on, if that. The travellers would soon challenge that. Presumably they'd have to go through the courts to get the court ruling overturned. Do you really think they're that bothered about the few weeks inconvenience caused to the residents of a coastal town, a long way from Westminster and most of their own constituencies, to be willing to spend the time and money doing that? I don't. It won't benefit any of them and it won't add funds to the Treasury. So it's a waste of time signing petitions for a change in the law. As I said earlier it needs a person with sufficient funds to be willing to risk their money going to court to try and overturn the ruling on their ethnic recognition and lifestyle.[/p][/quote]It's more of a waste of time to comment on here which achieves absolutely nothing. Why not at least try to get the law changed. Spend a few seconds signing and put one less pointless comment on here then you won't have lost any of your time and it might achieve something. If you don't try the law certainly won't get changed. http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/61822 or search epetition 61822 if the link doesn't work justsayithowitis
  • Score: -1

9:29am Sun 3 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

justsayithowitis wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
It was an English judge who ruled they are an ethnic group and can do as they like. I assume therefore that it's no good petitioning parliament to change the law because, even if the they decide to do so, there'd be the expense of preparing a bill, debating and voting on it, and they'd only be able to change the bit about how soon and why they can be moved on, if that. The travellers would soon challenge that. Presumably they'd have to go through the courts to get the court ruling overturned.

Do you really think they're that bothered about the few weeks inconvenience caused to the residents of a coastal town, a long way from Westminster and most of their own constituencies, to be willing to spend the time and money doing that? I don't. It won't benefit any of them and it won't add funds to the Treasury.

So it's a waste of time signing petitions for a change in the law. As I said earlier it needs a person with sufficient funds to be willing to risk their money going to court to try and overturn the ruling on their ethnic recognition and lifestyle.
It's more of a waste of time to comment on here which achieves absolutely nothing. Why not at least try to get the law changed. Spend a few seconds signing and put one less pointless comment on here then you won't have lost any of your time and it might achieve something. If you don't try the law certainly won't get changed. http://epetitions.di

rect.gov.uk/petition

s/61822 or search epetition 61822 if the link doesn't work
Petitions don't work, especially on-line ones. Apart from genuine signers, they're either added to by bogus people with names like Mickey Mouse, or with made up details. Those who receive the completed petition know this and just ignore it. Believe me, I know that's the case. Petitions rarely achieve anything, so they're a waste of time.

And no, it's not a waste of time commenting on here - people like Connor Burns do read them (although they might not act on them) and they take note of sensible thoughts (even if it is to try to get re-elected), but not those which are just slagging off others or making offensive comments about the topic or other posters.
[quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: It was an English judge who ruled they are an ethnic group and can do as they like. I assume therefore that it's no good petitioning parliament to change the law because, even if the they decide to do so, there'd be the expense of preparing a bill, debating and voting on it, and they'd only be able to change the bit about how soon and why they can be moved on, if that. The travellers would soon challenge that. Presumably they'd have to go through the courts to get the court ruling overturned. Do you really think they're that bothered about the few weeks inconvenience caused to the residents of a coastal town, a long way from Westminster and most of their own constituencies, to be willing to spend the time and money doing that? I don't. It won't benefit any of them and it won't add funds to the Treasury. So it's a waste of time signing petitions for a change in the law. As I said earlier it needs a person with sufficient funds to be willing to risk their money going to court to try and overturn the ruling on their ethnic recognition and lifestyle.[/p][/quote]It's more of a waste of time to comment on here which achieves absolutely nothing. Why not at least try to get the law changed. Spend a few seconds signing and put one less pointless comment on here then you won't have lost any of your time and it might achieve something. If you don't try the law certainly won't get changed. http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/61822 or search epetition 61822 if the link doesn't work[/p][/quote]Petitions don't work, especially on-line ones. Apart from genuine signers, they're either added to by bogus people with names like Mickey Mouse, or with made up details. Those who receive the completed petition know this and just ignore it. Believe me, I know that's the case. Petitions rarely achieve anything, so they're a waste of time. And no, it's not a waste of time commenting on here - people like Connor Burns do read them (although they might not act on them) and they take note of sensible thoughts (even if it is to try to get re-elected), but not those which are just slagging off others or making offensive comments about the topic or other posters. Carolyn43
  • Score: 1

9:37am Sun 3 Aug 14

cromwell9 says...

breamoreboy wrote:
rubberbandman5 wrote:
Think long and hard about this story and the European Court of human rights that tells us to F*** OFF when we complain. That is one of many reasons the Lib-Lab-Cons are going to be wiped out at the next general election.
Cloud cuckoo land, I very much doubt that UKIP will win a single seat, mainly because their supporters are mostly so thick they can't spell 'X' correctly.
Well what a rant (breamore boy).Let me remind you ,that you dont have to be educated ,to have basic common sense,
UKIP will win seats in the house of commons ,and will make a difference.
We must protect our Britsh way of life and Culture,.I am sure the silent mayority of the British people have woken up to the direction this country is going ,and dont like it .
This is a christian country with British values Through uncontrolled imigration.Lib Dems /Labour/Con, EU.The threat is very real .
I dont want my daughters /Grand children living in a non Christian country in less than 50yrs .That will be a reality if we dont do something about it .
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rubberbandman5[/bold] wrote: Think long and hard about this story and the European Court of human rights that tells us to F*** OFF when we complain. That is one of many reasons the Lib-Lab-Cons are going to be wiped out at the next general election.[/p][/quote]Cloud cuckoo land, I very much doubt that UKIP will win a single seat, mainly because their supporters are mostly so thick they can't spell 'X' correctly.[/p][/quote]Well what a rant (breamore boy).Let me remind you ,that you dont have to be educated ,to have basic common sense, UKIP will win seats in the house of commons ,and will make a difference. We must protect our Britsh way of life and Culture,.I am sure the silent mayority of the British people have woken up to the direction this country is going ,and dont like it . This is a christian country with British values Through uncontrolled imigration.Lib Dems /Labour/Con, EU.The threat is very real . I dont want my daughters /Grand children living in a non Christian country in less than 50yrs .That will be a reality if we dont do something about it . cromwell9
  • Score: 3

9:42am Sun 3 Aug 14

Minty Fresh says...

Baysider wrote:
Minty Fresh wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Where's this camp going then Connor? You saw what happened when Poole tried to introduce a temporary one open for a few months only. Imagine trying to get a perminent site through planning locally! Ýou can tell an election's coming though eh...
On every traveller story, there you are talking your complete cr*p.
Everyone apart form you it seems realises that travellers need to be dealt with in the same way the rest of us would if we broke the laws they do day after day. Yet you, and a few others, regularly defend these nomadic filth. Why? I suspect you're one of them, sent here to troll these stories and bate decent people who are sick of traveller incursions.

And what does the part-time anonymous Editor of this rag think of the situation? Oh yeah, nothing obviously, as he's kept his head firmly under his desk in Weymouth, no doubt at the behest of Newsquest management who are too scared to back it's local readers in case they get sued by the gypsies on some bogus racism charge, resulting in them having to employ their lawyers at great cost. Heaven forbid that a local paper should do what a local paper is meant to do and back it's readers on important local issues.
Firstly numpty I have never defended them. Not once and would be very happy if we never had the same situation ever again (but we will though). I challenge you as well to find a post of mine that, when you read it, supports their lifestyle or criminality. Secondly, I set out a very realistic scenario of the problems faced by the police or local authorities but because it doesn't fit in with what you want to think you chose to label it as cr@p rather. Go on then numpty, if YOU were the first police officer on site and saw a broken padlock on the floor and 20 people denying they did, tell us what YOU would do if YOU have all the answers?
I rest my case.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Where's this camp going then Connor? You saw what happened when Poole tried to introduce a temporary one open for a few months only. Imagine trying to get a perminent site through planning locally! Ýou can tell an election's coming though eh...[/p][/quote]On every traveller story, there you are talking your complete cr*p. Everyone apart form you it seems realises that travellers need to be dealt with in the same way the rest of us would if we broke the laws they do day after day. Yet you, and a few others, regularly defend these nomadic filth. Why? I suspect you're one of them, sent here to troll these stories and bate decent people who are sick of traveller incursions. And what does the part-time anonymous Editor of this rag think of the situation? Oh yeah, nothing obviously, as he's kept his head firmly under his desk in Weymouth, no doubt at the behest of Newsquest management who are too scared to back it's local readers in case they get sued by the gypsies on some bogus racism charge, resulting in them having to employ their lawyers at great cost. Heaven forbid that a local paper should do what a local paper is meant to do and back it's readers on important local issues.[/p][/quote]Firstly numpty I have never defended them. Not once and would be very happy if we never had the same situation ever again (but we will though). I challenge you as well to find a post of mine that, when you read it, supports their lifestyle or criminality. Secondly, I set out a very realistic scenario of the problems faced by the police or local authorities but because it doesn't fit in with what you want to think you chose to label it as cr@p rather. Go on then numpty, if YOU were the first police officer on site and saw a broken padlock on the floor and 20 people denying they did, tell us what YOU would do if YOU have all the answers?[/p][/quote]I rest my case. Minty Fresh
  • Score: 2

9:52am Sun 3 Aug 14

u.c.k.o.f.f. says...

In law protected people/groups are protected against discrimination they are not protected in law if they break the law it doesnt matter who they are,unless of course you happen to be an MP politician or a local Councillor.

Job done.
In law protected people/groups are protected against discrimination they are not protected in law if they break the law it doesnt matter who they are,unless of course you happen to be an MP politician or a local Councillor. Job done. u.c.k.o.f.f.
  • Score: 3

10:20am Sun 3 Aug 14

justsayithowitis says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
justsayithowitis wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
It was an English judge who ruled they are an ethnic group and can do as they like. I assume therefore that it's no good petitioning parliament to change the law because, even if the they decide to do so, there'd be the expense of preparing a bill, debating and voting on it, and they'd only be able to change the bit about how soon and why they can be moved on, if that. The travellers would soon challenge that. Presumably they'd have to go through the courts to get the court ruling overturned.

Do you really think they're that bothered about the few weeks inconvenience caused to the residents of a coastal town, a long way from Westminster and most of their own constituencies, to be willing to spend the time and money doing that? I don't. It won't benefit any of them and it won't add funds to the Treasury.

So it's a waste of time signing petitions for a change in the law. As I said earlier it needs a person with sufficient funds to be willing to risk their money going to court to try and overturn the ruling on their ethnic recognition and lifestyle.
It's more of a waste of time to comment on here which achieves absolutely nothing. Why not at least try to get the law changed. Spend a few seconds signing and put one less pointless comment on here then you won't have lost any of your time and it might achieve something. If you don't try the law certainly won't get changed. http://epetitions.di


rect.gov.uk/petition


s/61822 or search epetition 61822 if the link doesn't work
Petitions don't work, especially on-line ones. Apart from genuine signers, they're either added to by bogus people with names like Mickey Mouse, or with made up details. Those who receive the completed petition know this and just ignore it. Believe me, I know that's the case. Petitions rarely achieve anything, so they're a waste of time.

And no, it's not a waste of time commenting on here - people like Connor Burns do read them (although they might not act on them) and they take note of sensible thoughts (even if it is to try to get re-elected), but not those which are just slagging off others or making offensive comments about the topic or other posters.
So first you assume there is no point in signing and now you know for a fact that epetitions don't work. At least if enough people sign it will be debated in parliament. Conor Burns trying to get re elected isn't going to solve the problem. Maybe you think he will stump up his own money and take it to court which is your only idea.. Not very likely. How come online petitions have been debated if you know for a fact that they get ignored. Would like to know where you got that "fact" from
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: It was an English judge who ruled they are an ethnic group and can do as they like. I assume therefore that it's no good petitioning parliament to change the law because, even if the they decide to do so, there'd be the expense of preparing a bill, debating and voting on it, and they'd only be able to change the bit about how soon and why they can be moved on, if that. The travellers would soon challenge that. Presumably they'd have to go through the courts to get the court ruling overturned. Do you really think they're that bothered about the few weeks inconvenience caused to the residents of a coastal town, a long way from Westminster and most of their own constituencies, to be willing to spend the time and money doing that? I don't. It won't benefit any of them and it won't add funds to the Treasury. So it's a waste of time signing petitions for a change in the law. As I said earlier it needs a person with sufficient funds to be willing to risk their money going to court to try and overturn the ruling on their ethnic recognition and lifestyle.[/p][/quote]It's more of a waste of time to comment on here which achieves absolutely nothing. Why not at least try to get the law changed. Spend a few seconds signing and put one less pointless comment on here then you won't have lost any of your time and it might achieve something. If you don't try the law certainly won't get changed. http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/61822 or search epetition 61822 if the link doesn't work[/p][/quote]Petitions don't work, especially on-line ones. Apart from genuine signers, they're either added to by bogus people with names like Mickey Mouse, or with made up details. Those who receive the completed petition know this and just ignore it. Believe me, I know that's the case. Petitions rarely achieve anything, so they're a waste of time. And no, it's not a waste of time commenting on here - people like Connor Burns do read them (although they might not act on them) and they take note of sensible thoughts (even if it is to try to get re-elected), but not those which are just slagging off others or making offensive comments about the topic or other posters.[/p][/quote]So first you assume there is no point in signing and now you know for a fact that epetitions don't work. At least if enough people sign it will be debated in parliament. Conor Burns trying to get re elected isn't going to solve the problem. Maybe you think he will stump up his own money and take it to court which is your only idea.. Not very likely. How come online petitions have been debated if you know for a fact that they get ignored. Would like to know where you got that "fact" from justsayithowitis
  • Score: 3

10:34am Sun 3 Aug 14

Nickydoonah says...

Terrible isn't it I just seen 2 brand new caravans slow down by the top field,
I was thinking of phoning the police or the prime minister
then I thought it could be me relations from Poland or Romania
so I didn't bother you know.
Terrible isn't it I just seen 2 brand new caravans slow down by the top field, I was thinking of phoning the police or the prime minister then I thought it could be me relations from Poland or Romania so I didn't bother you know. Nickydoonah
  • Score: -3

10:37am Sun 3 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

justsayithowitis wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
justsayithowitis wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
It was an English judge who ruled they are an ethnic group and can do as they like. I assume therefore that it's no good petitioning parliament to change the law because, even if the they decide to do so, there'd be the expense of preparing a bill, debating and voting on it, and they'd only be able to change the bit about how soon and why they can be moved on, if that. The travellers would soon challenge that. Presumably they'd have to go through the courts to get the court ruling overturned.

Do you really think they're that bothered about the few weeks inconvenience caused to the residents of a coastal town, a long way from Westminster and most of their own constituencies, to be willing to spend the time and money doing that? I don't. It won't benefit any of them and it won't add funds to the Treasury.

So it's a waste of time signing petitions for a change in the law. As I said earlier it needs a person with sufficient funds to be willing to risk their money going to court to try and overturn the ruling on their ethnic recognition and lifestyle.
It's more of a waste of time to comment on here which achieves absolutely nothing. Why not at least try to get the law changed. Spend a few seconds signing and put one less pointless comment on here then you won't have lost any of your time and it might achieve something. If you don't try the law certainly won't get changed. http://epetitions.di



rect.gov.uk/petition



s/61822 or search epetition 61822 if the link doesn't work
Petitions don't work, especially on-line ones. Apart from genuine signers, they're either added to by bogus people with names like Mickey Mouse, or with made up details. Those who receive the completed petition know this and just ignore it. Believe me, I know that's the case. Petitions rarely achieve anything, so they're a waste of time.

And no, it's not a waste of time commenting on here - people like Connor Burns do read them (although they might not act on them) and they take note of sensible thoughts (even if it is to try to get re-elected), but not those which are just slagging off others or making offensive comments about the topic or other posters.
So first you assume there is no point in signing and now you know for a fact that epetitions don't work. At least if enough people sign it will be debated in parliament. Conor Burns trying to get re elected isn't going to solve the problem. Maybe you think he will stump up his own money and take it to court which is your only idea.. Not very likely. How come online petitions have been debated if you know for a fact that they get ignored. Would like to know where you got that "fact" from
Firstly, e-petitions only get debated when they get to 100,000 signatures, and the current petition has a very, very long way to go before it gets to that figure. The one mentioned on here has probably several years to go before it gets anywhere near 100,000 signatures.

Secondly, MPs only vote for something if there's something in it for them. For instance I'd have thought that firework safety was of great importance, yet a possible bill for making it compulsory for all organisers of fireworks displays to have training took several years/attempts to be implemented because of vested/not interested parties. If that couldn't get through, why would something affecting just a few people - mainly those of us who live in holiday destinations - be successful?
[quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: It was an English judge who ruled they are an ethnic group and can do as they like. I assume therefore that it's no good petitioning parliament to change the law because, even if the they decide to do so, there'd be the expense of preparing a bill, debating and voting on it, and they'd only be able to change the bit about how soon and why they can be moved on, if that. The travellers would soon challenge that. Presumably they'd have to go through the courts to get the court ruling overturned. Do you really think they're that bothered about the few weeks inconvenience caused to the residents of a coastal town, a long way from Westminster and most of their own constituencies, to be willing to spend the time and money doing that? I don't. It won't benefit any of them and it won't add funds to the Treasury. So it's a waste of time signing petitions for a change in the law. As I said earlier it needs a person with sufficient funds to be willing to risk their money going to court to try and overturn the ruling on their ethnic recognition and lifestyle.[/p][/quote]It's more of a waste of time to comment on here which achieves absolutely nothing. Why not at least try to get the law changed. Spend a few seconds signing and put one less pointless comment on here then you won't have lost any of your time and it might achieve something. If you don't try the law certainly won't get changed. http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/61822 or search epetition 61822 if the link doesn't work[/p][/quote]Petitions don't work, especially on-line ones. Apart from genuine signers, they're either added to by bogus people with names like Mickey Mouse, or with made up details. Those who receive the completed petition know this and just ignore it. Believe me, I know that's the case. Petitions rarely achieve anything, so they're a waste of time. And no, it's not a waste of time commenting on here - people like Connor Burns do read them (although they might not act on them) and they take note of sensible thoughts (even if it is to try to get re-elected), but not those which are just slagging off others or making offensive comments about the topic or other posters.[/p][/quote]So first you assume there is no point in signing and now you know for a fact that epetitions don't work. At least if enough people sign it will be debated in parliament. Conor Burns trying to get re elected isn't going to solve the problem. Maybe you think he will stump up his own money and take it to court which is your only idea.. Not very likely. How come online petitions have been debated if you know for a fact that they get ignored. Would like to know where you got that "fact" from[/p][/quote]Firstly, e-petitions only get debated when they get to 100,000 signatures, and the current petition has a very, very long way to go before it gets to that figure. The one mentioned on here has probably several years to go before it gets anywhere near 100,000 signatures. Secondly, MPs only vote for something if there's something in it for them. For instance I'd have thought that firework safety was of great importance, yet a possible bill for making it compulsory for all organisers of fireworks displays to have training took several years/attempts to be implemented because of vested/not interested parties. If that couldn't get through, why would something affecting just a few people - mainly those of us who live in holiday destinations - be successful? Carolyn43
  • Score: 0

10:40am Sun 3 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

Oh, and I don't expect Connor Burns to cough up anything to solve the problem - he's only making noises because there's an election coming up. It would take someone who's really badly affected by the travellers to be willing to take on an expensive action. And I can't think of anyone.

But as I've already said, even if the law is changed, it will take further action after that to overturn the court ruling.
Oh, and I don't expect Connor Burns to cough up anything to solve the problem - he's only making noises because there's an election coming up. It would take someone who's really badly affected by the travellers to be willing to take on an expensive action. And I can't think of anyone. But as I've already said, even if the law is changed, it will take further action after that to overturn the court ruling. Carolyn43
  • Score: 2

11:37am Sun 3 Aug 14

justsayithowitis says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
justsayithowitis wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
justsayithowitis wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
It was an English judge who ruled they are an ethnic group and can do as they like. I assume therefore that it's no good petitioning parliament to change the law because, even if the they decide to do so, there'd be the expense of preparing a bill, debating and voting on it, and they'd only be able to change the bit about how soon and why they can be moved on, if that. The travellers would soon challenge that. Presumably they'd have to go through the courts to get the court ruling overturned.

Do you really think they're that bothered about the few weeks inconvenience caused to the residents of a coastal town, a long way from Westminster and most of their own constituencies, to be willing to spend the time and money doing that? I don't. It won't benefit any of them and it won't add funds to the Treasury.

So it's a waste of time signing petitions for a change in the law. As I said earlier it needs a person with sufficient funds to be willing to risk their money going to court to try and overturn the ruling on their ethnic recognition and lifestyle.
It's more of a waste of time to comment on here which achieves absolutely nothing. Why not at least try to get the law changed. Spend a few seconds signing and put one less pointless comment on here then you won't have lost any of your time and it might achieve something. If you don't try the law certainly won't get changed. http://epetitions.di




rect.gov.uk/petition




s/61822 or search epetition 61822 if the link doesn't work
Petitions don't work, especially on-line ones. Apart from genuine signers, they're either added to by bogus people with names like Mickey Mouse, or with made up details. Those who receive the completed petition know this and just ignore it. Believe me, I know that's the case. Petitions rarely achieve anything, so they're a waste of time.

And no, it's not a waste of time commenting on here - people like Connor Burns do read them (although they might not act on them) and they take note of sensible thoughts (even if it is to try to get re-elected), but not those which are just slagging off others or making offensive comments about the topic or other posters.
So first you assume there is no point in signing and now you know for a fact that epetitions don't work. At least if enough people sign it will be debated in parliament. Conor Burns trying to get re elected isn't going to solve the problem. Maybe you think he will stump up his own money and take it to court which is your only idea.. Not very likely. How come online petitions have been debated if you know for a fact that they get ignored. Would like to know where you got that "fact" from
Firstly, e-petitions only get debated when they get to 100,000 signatures, and the current petition has a very, very long way to go before it gets to that figure. The one mentioned on here has probably several years to go before it gets anywhere near 100,000 signatures.

Secondly, MPs only vote for something if there's something in it for them. For instance I'd have thought that firework safety was of great importance, yet a possible bill for making it compulsory for all organisers of fireworks displays to have training took several years/attempts to be implemented because of vested/not interested parties. If that couldn't get through, why would something affecting just a few people - mainly those of us who live in holiday destinations - be successful?
So you have changed your story again. You said it will get thrown out and not even looked at and now you are saying it will get debated if it gets enough signatures. It does have a long way to go but if people would rather moan on here than sign it that is up to them. Maybe if the site had been allowed in Creekmoor you wouldn't have been so negative about other people trying to solve the problem. NIMBY springs to mind
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: It was an English judge who ruled they are an ethnic group and can do as they like. I assume therefore that it's no good petitioning parliament to change the law because, even if the they decide to do so, there'd be the expense of preparing a bill, debating and voting on it, and they'd only be able to change the bit about how soon and why they can be moved on, if that. The travellers would soon challenge that. Presumably they'd have to go through the courts to get the court ruling overturned. Do you really think they're that bothered about the few weeks inconvenience caused to the residents of a coastal town, a long way from Westminster and most of their own constituencies, to be willing to spend the time and money doing that? I don't. It won't benefit any of them and it won't add funds to the Treasury. So it's a waste of time signing petitions for a change in the law. As I said earlier it needs a person with sufficient funds to be willing to risk their money going to court to try and overturn the ruling on their ethnic recognition and lifestyle.[/p][/quote]It's more of a waste of time to comment on here which achieves absolutely nothing. Why not at least try to get the law changed. Spend a few seconds signing and put one less pointless comment on here then you won't have lost any of your time and it might achieve something. If you don't try the law certainly won't get changed. http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/61822 or search epetition 61822 if the link doesn't work[/p][/quote]Petitions don't work, especially on-line ones. Apart from genuine signers, they're either added to by bogus people with names like Mickey Mouse, or with made up details. Those who receive the completed petition know this and just ignore it. Believe me, I know that's the case. Petitions rarely achieve anything, so they're a waste of time. And no, it's not a waste of time commenting on here - people like Connor Burns do read them (although they might not act on them) and they take note of sensible thoughts (even if it is to try to get re-elected), but not those which are just slagging off others or making offensive comments about the topic or other posters.[/p][/quote]So first you assume there is no point in signing and now you know for a fact that epetitions don't work. At least if enough people sign it will be debated in parliament. Conor Burns trying to get re elected isn't going to solve the problem. Maybe you think he will stump up his own money and take it to court which is your only idea.. Not very likely. How come online petitions have been debated if you know for a fact that they get ignored. Would like to know where you got that "fact" from[/p][/quote]Firstly, e-petitions only get debated when they get to 100,000 signatures, and the current petition has a very, very long way to go before it gets to that figure. The one mentioned on here has probably several years to go before it gets anywhere near 100,000 signatures. Secondly, MPs only vote for something if there's something in it for them. For instance I'd have thought that firework safety was of great importance, yet a possible bill for making it compulsory for all organisers of fireworks displays to have training took several years/attempts to be implemented because of vested/not interested parties. If that couldn't get through, why would something affecting just a few people - mainly those of us who live in holiday destinations - be successful?[/p][/quote]So you have changed your story again. You said it will get thrown out and not even looked at and now you are saying it will get debated if it gets enough signatures. It does have a long way to go but if people would rather moan on here than sign it that is up to them. Maybe if the site had been allowed in Creekmoor you wouldn't have been so negative about other people trying to solve the problem. NIMBY springs to mind justsayithowitis
  • Score: 2

11:42am Sun 3 Aug 14

TheDistrict says...

MPs do not give a damp about Bournemouth which is not surprising. Along with our Cllr's we do not have a hope in hell in getting a response on this matter, or any other of the problems this town has. 54 of them in the town hall. What would happen if no one voted in the next national and local elections. Would it team in the same, or be a 4 way coalition. There is only one thing that needs to be done and that is get rid of the draconian ruling issued by the British Judge and implement fully, the law allowing Police to act immediately.
MPs do not give a damp about Bournemouth which is not surprising. Along with our Cllr's we do not have a hope in hell in getting a response on this matter, or any other of the problems this town has. 54 of them in the town hall. What would happen if no one voted in the next national and local elections. Would it team in the same, or be a 4 way coalition. There is only one thing that needs to be done and that is get rid of the draconian ruling issued by the British Judge and implement fully, the law allowing Police to act immediately. TheDistrict
  • Score: 3

12:23pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

Baysider wrote:
wonderway wrote:
they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers

where their passports

where do they live when not plauging the human race

they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around

we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law

if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents

our authorities are gutless wonders

irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.
...and again, YOU CANNOT ARREST EVERYONE ON SITE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BROKE A PADLOCK! Yeah they all benefitted but our courts are funny about having to have proper evidence of exactly who did what (or what fly tip is whose) and rightly so.
Following your logic if you got home and found 6 burglars inside your house who had trashed the place the police would take no action as they could not prove which one of them forced the door.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers where their passports where do they live when not plauging the human race they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents our authorities are gutless wonders irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.[/p][/quote]...and again, YOU CANNOT ARREST EVERYONE ON SITE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BROKE A PADLOCK! Yeah they all benefitted but our courts are funny about having to have proper evidence of exactly who did what (or what fly tip is whose) and rightly so.[/p][/quote]Following your logic if you got home and found 6 burglars inside your house who had trashed the place the police would take no action as they could not prove which one of them forced the door. fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: -2

12:44pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Peroni says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
wonderway wrote:
they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers

where their passports

where do they live when not plauging the human race

they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around

we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law

if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents

our authorities are gutless wonders

irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.
...and again, YOU CANNOT ARREST EVERYONE ON SITE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BROKE A PADLOCK! Yeah they all benefitted but our courts are funny about having to have proper evidence of exactly who did what (or what fly tip is whose) and rightly so.
Following your logic if you got home and found 6 burglars inside your house who had trashed the place the police would take no action as they could not prove which one of them forced the door.
He does not understand that the police see who commits sometimes ,but they do nothing ,members of the public complain of intimidation and threats , but they do nothing ,on Alder road you know the shop keepers just let them shop lift in the end because of fear of reprisals ,and knowing the police will do nothing !
He is saying he dosent defend them.......well his words certainly put it that way ,yes !
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers where their passports where do they live when not plauging the human race they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents our authorities are gutless wonders irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.[/p][/quote]...and again, YOU CANNOT ARREST EVERYONE ON SITE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BROKE A PADLOCK! Yeah they all benefitted but our courts are funny about having to have proper evidence of exactly who did what (or what fly tip is whose) and rightly so.[/p][/quote]Following your logic if you got home and found 6 burglars inside your house who had trashed the place the police would take no action as they could not prove which one of them forced the door.[/p][/quote]He does not understand that the police see who commits sometimes ,but they do nothing ,members of the public complain of intimidation and threats , but they do nothing ,on Alder road you know the shop keepers just let them shop lift in the end because of fear of reprisals ,and knowing the police will do nothing ! He is saying he dosent defend them.......well his words certainly put it that way ,yes ! Peroni
  • Score: -3

2:53pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Baysider says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
wonderway wrote:
they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers

where their passports

where do they live when not plauging the human race

they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around

we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law

if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents

our authorities are gutless wonders

irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.
...and again, YOU CANNOT ARREST EVERYONE ON SITE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BROKE A PADLOCK! Yeah they all benefitted but our courts are funny about having to have proper evidence of exactly who did what (or what fly tip is whose) and rightly so.
Following your logic if you got home and found 6 burglars inside your house who had trashed the place the police would take no action as they could not prove which one of them forced the door.
Er no. I'd expect them ALL to be arrested for attempted burglary or breaking and entering. Neither of which are applicable to the scenario where one person commits criminal damage to a padlock. Apples with apples Jobbie...
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers where their passports where do they live when not plauging the human race they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents our authorities are gutless wonders irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.[/p][/quote]...and again, YOU CANNOT ARREST EVERYONE ON SITE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BROKE A PADLOCK! Yeah they all benefitted but our courts are funny about having to have proper evidence of exactly who did what (or what fly tip is whose) and rightly so.[/p][/quote]Following your logic if you got home and found 6 burglars inside your house who had trashed the place the police would take no action as they could not prove which one of them forced the door.[/p][/quote]Er no. I'd expect them ALL to be arrested for attempted burglary or breaking and entering. Neither of which are applicable to the scenario where one person commits criminal damage to a padlock. Apples with apples Jobbie... Baysider
  • Score: 3

2:58pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Baysider says...

Peroni wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
wonderway wrote:
they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers

where their passports

where do they live when not plauging the human race

they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around

we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law

if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents

our authorities are gutless wonders

irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.
...and again, YOU CANNOT ARREST EVERYONE ON SITE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BROKE A PADLOCK! Yeah they all benefitted but our courts are funny about having to have proper evidence of exactly who did what (or what fly tip is whose) and rightly so.
Following your logic if you got home and found 6 burglars inside your house who had trashed the place the police would take no action as they could not prove which one of them forced the door.
He does not understand that the police see who commits sometimes ,but they do nothing ,members of the public complain of intimidation and threats , but they do nothing ,on Alder road you know the shop keepers just let them shop lift in the end because of fear of reprisals ,and knowing the police will do nothing !
He is saying he dosent defend them.......well his words certainly put it that way ,yes !
No that's simply untrue and you are saying that because you don't not have any sensible reply to the issues I raise. Argue your case properly and we can have a grown up discussion but you're fundamentally misquoting me to prop up the paucity of your own point of view.
[quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: they all have a excuse for not doing anything against these people who say they are travellers where their passports where do they live when not plauging the human race they break in to public land arrest them all for the act damaging locks gates and leave their trash laying around we have council , MP's and police with no back bone a bunch of cowards getting money under false pretences for doing a job they are scared to do anything wheres the fines for flytipping up to £5000 make them pay before they leave or arrest them for the breaches of law if it was a resident they would be arrested , we are abuse racial abused by authorities for being English residents our authorities are gutless wonders irish travellers dont exsist their own country does not reconised them why do we.[/p][/quote]...and again, YOU CANNOT ARREST EVERYONE ON SITE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BROKE A PADLOCK! Yeah they all benefitted but our courts are funny about having to have proper evidence of exactly who did what (or what fly tip is whose) and rightly so.[/p][/quote]Following your logic if you got home and found 6 burglars inside your house who had trashed the place the police would take no action as they could not prove which one of them forced the door.[/p][/quote]He does not understand that the police see who commits sometimes ,but they do nothing ,members of the public complain of intimidation and threats , but they do nothing ,on Alder road you know the shop keepers just let them shop lift in the end because of fear of reprisals ,and knowing the police will do nothing ! He is saying he dosent defend them.......well his words certainly put it that way ,yes ![/p][/quote]No that's simply untrue and you are saying that because you don't not have any sensible reply to the issues I raise. Argue your case properly and we can have a grown up discussion but you're fundamentally misquoting me to prop up the paucity of your own point of view. Baysider
  • Score: -2

5:33pm Sun 3 Aug 14

skydriver says...

N Smith wrote:
Dorset Police are not interested in anything unless you are speeding , they are gutless and a waste of taxpayers money.
For that matter so is the useless police commissioner, overpaid waste of time ,who NEVER replies to emails or letters..
[quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Dorset Police are not interested in anything unless you are speeding , they are gutless and a waste of taxpayers money.[/p][/quote]For that matter so is the useless police commissioner, overpaid waste of time ,who NEVER replies to emails or letters.. skydriver
  • Score: 3

5:38pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Baysider says...

Minty Fresh wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Minty Fresh wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Where's this camp going then Connor? You saw what happened when Poole tried to introduce a temporary one open for a few months only. Imagine trying to get a perminent site through planning locally! Ýou can tell an election's coming though eh...
On every traveller story, there you are talking your complete cr*p.
Everyone apart form you it seems realises that travellers need to be dealt with in the same way the rest of us would if we broke the laws they do day after day. Yet you, and a few others, regularly defend these nomadic filth. Why? I suspect you're one of them, sent here to troll these stories and bate decent people who are sick of traveller incursions.

And what does the part-time anonymous Editor of this rag think of the situation? Oh yeah, nothing obviously, as he's kept his head firmly under his desk in Weymouth, no doubt at the behest of Newsquest management who are too scared to back it's local readers in case they get sued by the gypsies on some bogus racism charge, resulting in them having to employ their lawyers at great cost. Heaven forbid that a local paper should do what a local paper is meant to do and back it's readers on important local issues.
Firstly numpty I have never defended them. Not once and would be very happy if we never had the same situation ever again (but we will though). I challenge you as well to find a post of mine that, when you read it, supports their lifestyle or criminality. Secondly, I set out a very realistic scenario of the problems faced by the police or local authorities but because it doesn't fit in with what you want to think you chose to label it as cr@p rather. Go on then numpty, if YOU were the first police officer on site and saw a broken padlock on the floor and 20 people denying they did, tell us what YOU would do if YOU have all the answers?
I rest my case.
Yes well your case is p### poor then isn't it. You present yourself as having the answers but when given the opportunity to set them out you realise you've got nothing except populist ignorance to fall back on. It's a difficult issue...sorry Bob49...problem full stop but I seem to be the only one capable of thinking beyond tabloid headlines.
[quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Where's this camp going then Connor? You saw what happened when Poole tried to introduce a temporary one open for a few months only. Imagine trying to get a perminent site through planning locally! Ýou can tell an election's coming though eh...[/p][/quote]On every traveller story, there you are talking your complete cr*p. Everyone apart form you it seems realises that travellers need to be dealt with in the same way the rest of us would if we broke the laws they do day after day. Yet you, and a few others, regularly defend these nomadic filth. Why? I suspect you're one of them, sent here to troll these stories and bate decent people who are sick of traveller incursions. And what does the part-time anonymous Editor of this rag think of the situation? Oh yeah, nothing obviously, as he's kept his head firmly under his desk in Weymouth, no doubt at the behest of Newsquest management who are too scared to back it's local readers in case they get sued by the gypsies on some bogus racism charge, resulting in them having to employ their lawyers at great cost. Heaven forbid that a local paper should do what a local paper is meant to do and back it's readers on important local issues.[/p][/quote]Firstly numpty I have never defended them. Not once and would be very happy if we never had the same situation ever again (but we will though). I challenge you as well to find a post of mine that, when you read it, supports their lifestyle or criminality. Secondly, I set out a very realistic scenario of the problems faced by the police or local authorities but because it doesn't fit in with what you want to think you chose to label it as cr@p rather. Go on then numpty, if YOU were the first police officer on site and saw a broken padlock on the floor and 20 people denying they did, tell us what YOU would do if YOU have all the answers?[/p][/quote]I rest my case.[/p][/quote]Yes well your case is p### poor then isn't it. You present yourself as having the answers but when given the opportunity to set them out you realise you've got nothing except populist ignorance to fall back on. It's a difficult issue...sorry Bob49...problem full stop but I seem to be the only one capable of thinking beyond tabloid headlines. Baysider
  • Score: 0

6:50pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

justsayithowitis wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
justsayithowitis wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
justsayithowitis wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
It was an English judge who ruled they are an ethnic group and can do as they like. I assume therefore that it's no good petitioning parliament to change the law because, even if the they decide to do so, there'd be the expense of preparing a bill, debating and voting on it, and they'd only be able to change the bit about how soon and why they can be moved on, if that. The travellers would soon challenge that. Presumably they'd have to go through the courts to get the court ruling overturned.

Do you really think they're that bothered about the few weeks inconvenience caused to the residents of a coastal town, a long way from Westminster and most of their own constituencies, to be willing to spend the time and money doing that? I don't. It won't benefit any of them and it won't add funds to the Treasury.

So it's a waste of time signing petitions for a change in the law. As I said earlier it needs a person with sufficient funds to be willing to risk their money going to court to try and overturn the ruling on their ethnic recognition and lifestyle.
It's more of a waste of time to comment on here which achieves absolutely nothing. Why not at least try to get the law changed. Spend a few seconds signing and put one less pointless comment on here then you won't have lost any of your time and it might achieve something. If you don't try the law certainly won't get changed. http://epetitions.di





rect.gov.uk/petition





s/61822 or search epetition 61822 if the link doesn't work
Petitions don't work, especially on-line ones. Apart from genuine signers, they're either added to by bogus people with names like Mickey Mouse, or with made up details. Those who receive the completed petition know this and just ignore it. Believe me, I know that's the case. Petitions rarely achieve anything, so they're a waste of time.

And no, it's not a waste of time commenting on here - people like Connor Burns do read them (although they might not act on them) and they take note of sensible thoughts (even if it is to try to get re-elected), but not those which are just slagging off others or making offensive comments about the topic or other posters.
So first you assume there is no point in signing and now you know for a fact that epetitions don't work. At least if enough people sign it will be debated in parliament. Conor Burns trying to get re elected isn't going to solve the problem. Maybe you think he will stump up his own money and take it to court which is your only idea.. Not very likely. How come online petitions have been debated if you know for a fact that they get ignored. Would like to know where you got that "fact" from
Firstly, e-petitions only get debated when they get to 100,000 signatures, and the current petition has a very, very long way to go before it gets to that figure. The one mentioned on here has probably several years to go before it gets anywhere near 100,000 signatures.

Secondly, MPs only vote for something if there's something in it for them. For instance I'd have thought that firework safety was of great importance, yet a possible bill for making it compulsory for all organisers of fireworks displays to have training took several years/attempts to be implemented because of vested/not interested parties. If that couldn't get through, why would something affecting just a few people - mainly those of us who live in holiday destinations - be successful?
So you have changed your story again. You said it will get thrown out and not even looked at and now you are saying it will get debated if it gets enough signatures. It does have a long way to go but if people would rather moan on here than sign it that is up to them. Maybe if the site had been allowed in Creekmoor you wouldn't have been so negative about other people trying to solve the problem. NIMBY springs to mind
No I haven't changed my mind. A petition, even one not on-line, will be thrown out and not even looked at if it doesn't have a huge amount of signatures. If and I repeat IF, the e-petition ever reaches 100,000 signatures, it will be debated, but that doesn't mean it will end with a change in the law followed by a court ruling. It depends on the vested interests of those voting. What benefit would it have on MPs, even local ones? Not a lot. Just a few fewer letters of complaint. It would make a difference to local government, but they have no influence on central government or the courts.

The site at Creekmoor would never have been allowed - there was too much against it in terms of various safety issues, let alone any other considerations. If a SUITABLE site could be found, I'd welcome it, but it can't. There just isn't anywhere in the two boroughs.

Other people are not trying to solve the problem. Who has suggested something that will actually work and solve the problem? No-one. I don't like banging my head against a brick wall - it hurts. I haven't got the answer, but I know what it isn't.
[quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: It was an English judge who ruled they are an ethnic group and can do as they like. I assume therefore that it's no good petitioning parliament to change the law because, even if the they decide to do so, there'd be the expense of preparing a bill, debating and voting on it, and they'd only be able to change the bit about how soon and why they can be moved on, if that. The travellers would soon challenge that. Presumably they'd have to go through the courts to get the court ruling overturned. Do you really think they're that bothered about the few weeks inconvenience caused to the residents of a coastal town, a long way from Westminster and most of their own constituencies, to be willing to spend the time and money doing that? I don't. It won't benefit any of them and it won't add funds to the Treasury. So it's a waste of time signing petitions for a change in the law. As I said earlier it needs a person with sufficient funds to be willing to risk their money going to court to try and overturn the ruling on their ethnic recognition and lifestyle.[/p][/quote]It's more of a waste of time to comment on here which achieves absolutely nothing. Why not at least try to get the law changed. Spend a few seconds signing and put one less pointless comment on here then you won't have lost any of your time and it might achieve something. If you don't try the law certainly won't get changed. http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/61822 or search epetition 61822 if the link doesn't work[/p][/quote]Petitions don't work, especially on-line ones. Apart from genuine signers, they're either added to by bogus people with names like Mickey Mouse, or with made up details. Those who receive the completed petition know this and just ignore it. Believe me, I know that's the case. Petitions rarely achieve anything, so they're a waste of time. And no, it's not a waste of time commenting on here - people like Connor Burns do read them (although they might not act on them) and they take note of sensible thoughts (even if it is to try to get re-elected), but not those which are just slagging off others or making offensive comments about the topic or other posters.[/p][/quote]So first you assume there is no point in signing and now you know for a fact that epetitions don't work. At least if enough people sign it will be debated in parliament. Conor Burns trying to get re elected isn't going to solve the problem. Maybe you think he will stump up his own money and take it to court which is your only idea.. Not very likely. How come online petitions have been debated if you know for a fact that they get ignored. Would like to know where you got that "fact" from[/p][/quote]Firstly, e-petitions only get debated when they get to 100,000 signatures, and the current petition has a very, very long way to go before it gets to that figure. The one mentioned on here has probably several years to go before it gets anywhere near 100,000 signatures. Secondly, MPs only vote for something if there's something in it for them. For instance I'd have thought that firework safety was of great importance, yet a possible bill for making it compulsory for all organisers of fireworks displays to have training took several years/attempts to be implemented because of vested/not interested parties. If that couldn't get through, why would something affecting just a few people - mainly those of us who live in holiday destinations - be successful?[/p][/quote]So you have changed your story again. You said it will get thrown out and not even looked at and now you are saying it will get debated if it gets enough signatures. It does have a long way to go but if people would rather moan on here than sign it that is up to them. Maybe if the site had been allowed in Creekmoor you wouldn't have been so negative about other people trying to solve the problem. NIMBY springs to mind[/p][/quote]No I haven't changed my mind. A petition, even one not on-line, will be thrown out and not even looked at if it doesn't have a huge amount of signatures. If and I repeat IF, the e-petition ever reaches 100,000 signatures, it will be debated, but that doesn't mean it will end with a change in the law followed by a court ruling. It depends on the vested interests of those voting. What benefit would it have on MPs, even local ones? Not a lot. Just a few fewer letters of complaint. It would make a difference to local government, but they have no influence on central government or the courts. The site at Creekmoor would never have been allowed - there was too much against it in terms of various safety issues, let alone any other considerations. If a SUITABLE site could be found, I'd welcome it, but it can't. There just isn't anywhere in the two boroughs. Other people are not trying to solve the problem. Who has suggested something that will actually work and solve the problem? No-one. I don't like banging my head against a brick wall - it hurts. I haven't got the answer, but I know what it isn't. Carolyn43
  • Score: -1

7:47pm Sun 3 Aug 14

canfordcherry says...

mableone wrote:
Did they not have fixed site at Tower Park with all the facilities. As I recall their kids set fire to the shower block, has not been used since and is now used as a tip.
No, what happened was the Irish travellers ripped out the washing machines and appliances and any thing else they could flog on the cheap ruining the camp for the law abiding people who lived there.
It is still in use now, though the entrance has been moved, and the majority of families on there (that I know) are perfectly reasonable, hard working folk who would not want these scum living on their sight.
[quote][p][bold]mableone[/bold] wrote: Did they not have fixed site at Tower Park with all the facilities. As I recall their kids set fire to the shower block, has not been used since and is now used as a tip.[/p][/quote]No, what happened was the Irish travellers ripped out the washing machines and appliances and any thing else they could flog on the cheap ruining the camp for the law abiding people who lived there. It is still in use now, though the entrance has been moved, and the majority of families on there (that I know) are perfectly reasonable, hard working folk who would not want these scum living on their sight. canfordcherry
  • Score: 3

8:08pm Sun 3 Aug 14

martinsim34 says...

i vidoed it last time on verity park called police they said its up to the council
i vidoed it last time on verity park called police they said its up to the council martinsim34
  • Score: -1

8:45pm Sun 3 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

askquestion wrote:
do people remember how long it took for the long suffering rate/tax payers in Essex to get rid of that encampment? the authorities spent a fortune supporting the rights of those illegally camped. meantime residents lives were made a misery. there were only 12 caravans last Saturday if the powers that we pay for had done thier job, we wouldnt have finished up with the numbers that were there. crime prevention seems a no go area in this sleepy town. there should be barricades in place at all these green, and not so pleasant, parks. low enough to prevent caravans from entering the land.

as for worrying about thier kids. i would have thought that livng among thier own excrement would not be too healthy ! where were the environmental services when all the filth from these bog dwellers was being tossed into the bushes ?. it seem very clear that as with Essex, the police are scared witless of these people. do we not have a dog squad no one on horse back.? works against animal protesters !

im too old now to get out of this backward town, but despair for the future of ths country when we allow all and sundry to abuse it.
The police are genuinely scared of these people, and I can't say that I blame them. The only time I can recall police officers showing their fear on any TV programe was one of the Police Interceptors shows. The officers arrested some "ladies" who'd been shoplifting at the Lakeside complex in Essex. There were worried that a mob would be turning up as said ladies had been on their mobiles. A plan was worked out and they got out asap. No guesses where these people lived.
[quote][p][bold]askquestion[/bold] wrote: do people remember how long it took for the long suffering rate/tax payers in Essex to get rid of that encampment? the authorities spent a fortune supporting the rights of those illegally camped. meantime residents lives were made a misery. there were only 12 caravans last Saturday if the powers that we pay for had done thier job, we wouldnt have finished up with the numbers that were there. crime prevention seems a no go area in this sleepy town. there should be barricades in place at all these green, and not so pleasant, parks. low enough to prevent caravans from entering the land. as for worrying about thier kids. i would have thought that livng among thier own excrement would not be too healthy ! where were the environmental services when all the filth from these bog dwellers was being tossed into the bushes ?. it seem very clear that as with Essex, the police are scared witless of these people. do we not have a dog squad no one on horse back.? works against animal protesters ! im too old now to get out of this backward town, but despair for the future of ths country when we allow all and sundry to abuse it.[/p][/quote]The police are genuinely scared of these people, and I can't say that I blame them. The only time I can recall police officers showing their fear on any TV programe was one of the Police Interceptors shows. The officers arrested some "ladies" who'd been shoplifting at the Lakeside complex in Essex. There were worried that a mob would be turning up as said ladies had been on their mobiles. A plan was worked out and they got out asap. No guesses where these people lived. breamoreboy
  • Score: 5

8:47pm Sun 3 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Wackerone wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
dogsoftheworld wrote:
Townee wrote:
It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down.
The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe.

The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.
Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing.
It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.
It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned?

It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?
Correct, the original ruling about this 'ethnic traveller' recognition was made in the UK not the EU, it is however now very well supported by rafts of EU 'rights' law.

So maybe time to fight fire with fire, because the majority of taxpaying law abiding residents are the ones who now very clearly feel THEY are being discriminated against by their own public servants.

The Police and the Councils are arguably discriminating in favour of a minority of people of usually it appears unestablished 'race' whom they choose to place in a position completely above the laws we other citizens all have to abide by - basically it seems because it's their easiest option.

So perhaps we do need a credible champion to legally pursue those authorities for serious racial discrimination - against the decent British taxpayer.
I still don't see what their ethnicity has do with the laws of the land. What ever ethnic origin people come from, whether white Anglo Saxon, black African, Australian Aborigine, Asian, Eskimo or Irish traveller, the law is there to be kept and upheld. Please tell me why Irish travellers can do as they please with impunity, while the rest of the worlds ethnic peoples that come to this country cannot.
And please tell us (because the authorities don't appear to want to ask) what is 'Irish' and ethnic about the many illegal campers with broad Merseyside and Yorkshire accents driving around in new UK registered and plated motorhomes, vans and very expensive cars?
Sweet Jesus, again with the accent and GB registered car argument Muzzy. As if that is the sole factor in determining ethnicity or nationality. Well once again, can you explain how the 100,000 of Brits all over the world driving French/Spanish/Austr


alian/USA, etc registered vehicles are still British then but this lot can't claim to be Irish?
Staying on the religious theme ,God your tedious
Your tedious what? Or did you mean "you're"?
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wackerone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogsoftheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: It's about time we told the European courts that this is our country and we will run it the way we want. If we want to band travellers from camping on our land then we will, we will move them on as soon as their wheels touch down. The country they come from Southern Ireland don't allow them to do this and they are not breaking any European law but stupid us will always put up with minorities doing just what they want because we don't want to upset Europe. The soon we get an in/out vote on Europe the better, we will save millions on Benefit , money we have to give Europe to waste on project in the poorer countries and money wasted on useless MEP's.[/p][/quote]Sorry but your arguement doesn't make sense. As you say, Ireland doesn't put up with them. But Ireland are in the EU. So this isn't an EU thing. It is a UK thing. Home grown nonsense. We could clearly do what Ireland do within the EU.[/p][/quote]It was an English judge who ruled they are a separate ethnic group who can carry on their way of life. Isn't there someone with the funds available who could go back to court and try to get this overturned? It's clear our government and local authorities aren't willing to do it. Why? Is it to their advantage in some way to let these people flout our laws and inconvenience local people?[/p][/quote]Correct, the original ruling about this 'ethnic traveller' recognition was made in the UK not the EU, it is however now very well supported by rafts of EU 'rights' law. So maybe time to fight fire with fire, because the majority of taxpaying law abiding residents are the ones who now very clearly feel THEY are being discriminated against by their own public servants. The Police and the Councils are arguably discriminating in favour of a minority of people of usually it appears unestablished 'race' whom they choose to place in a position completely above the laws we other citizens all have to abide by - basically it seems because it's their easiest option. So perhaps we do need a credible champion to legally pursue those authorities for serious racial discrimination - against the decent British taxpayer.[/p][/quote]I still don't see what their ethnicity has do with the laws of the land. What ever ethnic origin people come from, whether white Anglo Saxon, black African, Australian Aborigine, Asian, Eskimo or Irish traveller, the law is there to be kept and upheld. Please tell me why Irish travellers can do as they please with impunity, while the rest of the worlds ethnic peoples that come to this country cannot.[/p][/quote]And please tell us (because the authorities don't appear to want to ask) what is 'Irish' and ethnic about the many illegal campers with broad Merseyside and Yorkshire accents driving around in new UK registered and plated motorhomes, vans and very expensive cars?[/p][/quote]Sweet Jesus, again with the accent and GB registered car argument Muzzy. As if that is the sole factor in determining ethnicity or nationality. Well once again, can you explain how the 100,000 of Brits all over the world driving French/Spanish/Austr alian/USA, etc registered vehicles are still British then but this lot can't claim to be Irish?[/p][/quote]Staying on the religious theme ,God your tedious[/p][/quote]Your tedious what? Or did you mean "you're"? breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

8:54pm Sun 3 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

Nickydoonah wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
Nickydoonah wrote:
I like their big caravans and cars a lot
I also like their open air life style
But I don't like smelly whinging bed sit georges you know it is
I certainly prefer the travellors to your pathetic comments. p.s. how are your Polish and history lessons going? Can we start you on potty training next week?
Oh no not you a ******* again
what's your fascination with children and potty's
I thought saville had died you know
what is a 'travellors' Jimmy??
Great to see that you've sobered up enough to reply, but next time please try writing English sentences.
[quote][p][bold]Nickydoonah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickydoonah[/bold] wrote: I like their big caravans and cars a lot I also like their open air life style But I don't like smelly whinging bed sit georges you know it is[/p][/quote]I certainly prefer the travellors to your pathetic comments. p.s. how are your Polish and history lessons going? Can we start you on potty training next week?[/p][/quote]Oh no not you a ******* again what's your fascination with children and potty's I thought saville had died you know what is a 'travellors' Jimmy??[/p][/quote]Great to see that you've sobered up enough to reply, but next time please try writing English sentences. breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

8:59pm Sun 3 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

ashleycross wrote:
The law has existed for over 50 years to make it quicker to close down unauthorised camps as this MP well knows. It's just Bournemouth has chosen not to follow it by by using parks and open spaces as travelers sites instead of putting in proper sites like the rest of the country. I see he is desperately trying to win back the UKIP vote(you know, that party with plans for a jolly third world war in europe, such fun you know all that community spirit, send the young men off to die and kill a lot of foreigners, a sure vote winner in Bournemouth) by bashing travelers.
They've traveled for centuries. Hitler tried to stop them with the gas chambers and that didn't work so I hardly think a tory with a video in the local paper will work.
I must disagree entirely. Please do not confuse the revolting modern day travellers with the traditional Romany gypsies that do not leave a mess behind them.
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: The law has existed for over 50 years to make it quicker to close down unauthorised camps as this MP well knows. It's just Bournemouth has chosen not to follow it by by using parks and open spaces as travelers sites instead of putting in proper sites like the rest of the country. I see he is desperately trying to win back the UKIP vote(you know, that party with plans for a jolly third world war in europe, such fun you know all that community spirit, send the young men off to die and kill a lot of foreigners, a sure vote winner in Bournemouth) by bashing travelers. They've traveled for centuries. Hitler tried to stop them with the gas chambers and that didn't work so I hardly think a tory with a video in the local paper will work.[/p][/quote]I must disagree entirely. Please do not confuse the revolting modern day travellers with the traditional Romany gypsies that do not leave a mess behind them. breamoreboy
  • Score: 5

9:02pm Sun 3 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
justsayithowitis wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
It was an English judge who ruled they are an ethnic group and can do as they like. I assume therefore that it's no good petitioning parliament to change the law because, even if the they decide to do so, there'd be the expense of preparing a bill, debating and voting on it, and they'd only be able to change the bit about how soon and why they can be moved on, if that. The travellers would soon challenge that. Presumably they'd have to go through the courts to get the court ruling overturned.

Do you really think they're that bothered about the few weeks inconvenience caused to the residents of a coastal town, a long way from Westminster and most of their own constituencies, to be willing to spend the time and money doing that? I don't. It won't benefit any of them and it won't add funds to the Treasury.

So it's a waste of time signing petitions for a change in the law. As I said earlier it needs a person with sufficient funds to be willing to risk their money going to court to try and overturn the ruling on their ethnic recognition and lifestyle.
It's more of a waste of time to comment on here which achieves absolutely nothing. Why not at least try to get the law changed. Spend a few seconds signing and put one less pointless comment on here then you won't have lost any of your time and it might achieve something. If you don't try the law certainly won't get changed. http://epetitions.di


rect.gov.uk/petition


s/61822 or search epetition 61822 if the link doesn't work
Petitions don't work, especially on-line ones. Apart from genuine signers, they're either added to by bogus people with names like Mickey Mouse, or with made up details. Those who receive the completed petition know this and just ignore it. Believe me, I know that's the case. Petitions rarely achieve anything, so they're a waste of time.

And no, it's not a waste of time commenting on here - people like Connor Burns do read them (although they might not act on them) and they take note of sensible thoughts (even if it is to try to get re-elected), but not those which are just slagging off others or making offensive comments about the topic or other posters.
Complete nonsense. How on earth do you think organisations like 38degrees, sumofus or change.org achieve anything?
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: It was an English judge who ruled they are an ethnic group and can do as they like. I assume therefore that it's no good petitioning parliament to change the law because, even if the they decide to do so, there'd be the expense of preparing a bill, debating and voting on it, and they'd only be able to change the bit about how soon and why they can be moved on, if that. The travellers would soon challenge that. Presumably they'd have to go through the courts to get the court ruling overturned. Do you really think they're that bothered about the few weeks inconvenience caused to the residents of a coastal town, a long way from Westminster and most of their own constituencies, to be willing to spend the time and money doing that? I don't. It won't benefit any of them and it won't add funds to the Treasury. So it's a waste of time signing petitions for a change in the law. As I said earlier it needs a person with sufficient funds to be willing to risk their money going to court to try and overturn the ruling on their ethnic recognition and lifestyle.[/p][/quote]It's more of a waste of time to comment on here which achieves absolutely nothing. Why not at least try to get the law changed. Spend a few seconds signing and put one less pointless comment on here then you won't have lost any of your time and it might achieve something. If you don't try the law certainly won't get changed. http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/61822 or search epetition 61822 if the link doesn't work[/p][/quote]Petitions don't work, especially on-line ones. Apart from genuine signers, they're either added to by bogus people with names like Mickey Mouse, or with made up details. Those who receive the completed petition know this and just ignore it. Believe me, I know that's the case. Petitions rarely achieve anything, so they're a waste of time. And no, it's not a waste of time commenting on here - people like Connor Burns do read them (although they might not act on them) and they take note of sensible thoughts (even if it is to try to get re-elected), but not those which are just slagging off others or making offensive comments about the topic or other posters.[/p][/quote]Complete nonsense. How on earth do you think organisations like 38degrees, sumofus or change.org achieve anything? breamoreboy
  • Score: 2

9:09pm Sun 3 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

cromwell9 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
rubberbandman5 wrote:
Think long and hard about this story and the European Court of human rights that tells us to F*** OFF when we complain. That is one of many reasons the Lib-Lab-Cons are going to be wiped out at the next general election.
Cloud cuckoo land, I very much doubt that UKIP will win a single seat, mainly because their supporters are mostly so thick they can't spell 'X' correctly.
Well what a rant (breamore boy).Let me remind you ,that you dont have to be educated ,to have basic common sense,
UKIP will win seats in the house of commons ,and will make a difference.
We must protect our Britsh way of life and Culture,.I am sure the silent mayority of the British people have woken up to the direction this country is going ,and dont like it .
This is a christian country with British values Through uncontrolled imigration.Lib Dems /Labour/Con, EU.The threat is very real .
I dont want my daughters /Grand children living in a non Christian country in less than 50yrs .That will be a reality if we dont do something about it .
I'll be very surprised if UKIP wins a single seat at the general election. As for religion when it comes to hypocrisy they are at the top of the tree with political parties. Now that's an insult if ever there was one. Christian country, as Victor used to say "I don't believe it". NASA estimates the universe to be around 16 billion years old, the Christian religions 6,000 years, I'll stick with the former thank you.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rubberbandman5[/bold] wrote: Think long and hard about this story and the European Court of human rights that tells us to F*** OFF when we complain. That is one of many reasons the Lib-Lab-Cons are going to be wiped out at the next general election.[/p][/quote]Cloud cuckoo land, I very much doubt that UKIP will win a single seat, mainly because their supporters are mostly so thick they can't spell 'X' correctly.[/p][/quote]Well what a rant (breamore boy).Let me remind you ,that you dont have to be educated ,to have basic common sense, UKIP will win seats in the house of commons ,and will make a difference. We must protect our Britsh way of life and Culture,.I am sure the silent mayority of the British people have woken up to the direction this country is going ,and dont like it . This is a christian country with British values Through uncontrolled imigration.Lib Dems /Labour/Con, EU.The threat is very real . I dont want my daughters /Grand children living in a non Christian country in less than 50yrs .That will be a reality if we dont do something about it .[/p][/quote]I'll be very surprised if UKIP wins a single seat at the general election. As for religion when it comes to hypocrisy they are at the top of the tree with political parties. Now that's an insult if ever there was one. Christian country, as Victor used to say "I don't believe it". NASA estimates the universe to be around 16 billion years old, the Christian religions 6,000 years, I'll stick with the former thank you. breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

10:15pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

any chnace of some folk not hitting the quote button every time they reply to a post

you can simply cut and paste the relevant bit if needed.... that way saving everyone else from having to plough through reams of quotes within quotes within quotes ... etc
any chnace of some folk not hitting the quote button every time they reply to a post you can simply cut and paste the relevant bit if needed.... that way saving everyone else from having to plough through reams of quotes within quotes within quotes ... etc Bob49
  • Score: 2

11:41pm Sun 3 Aug 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

'Residents anger over puny MPs and cowardly Police' more like!!!
.
Council can't do anything. Security guards can't do anything. Police (lol same as usual) nothing.
.
All of these people have been paid by us to stop these parasites!
.
We need to stop paying them or replace them!
'Residents anger over puny MPs and cowardly Police' more like!!! . Council can't do anything. Security guards can't do anything. Police (lol same as usual) nothing. . All of these people have been paid by us to stop these parasites! . We need to stop paying them or replace them! HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 1

12:32am Mon 4 Aug 14

Marty Caine says...

ashleycross wrote:
The law has existed for over 50 years to make it quicker to close down unauthorised camps as this MP well knows. It's just Bournemouth has chosen not to follow it by by using parks and open spaces as travelers sites instead of putting in proper sites like the rest of the country. I see he is desperately trying to win back the UKIP vote(you know, that party with plans for a jolly third world war in europe, such fun you know all that community spirit, send the young men off to die and kill a lot of foreigners, a sure vote winner in Bournemouth) by bashing travelers.
They've traveled for centuries. Hitler tried to stop them with the gas chambers and that didn't work so I hardly think a tory with a video in the local paper will work.
You really could not be more wrong if you tried, the main reason there has been peace in Europe for over 70 years was down to the fact that Germany did not have to power to start one, now we have 27 countries handing them that power on a plate. If the EU succeeds in becoming a superpower the first thing they will want to do is test that power and the way they have been poking Russia of late, it would be a safe bet that is probably their intended target.

The blueprints for the EU were written by a man named Walther Funk in 1942, he was Hitler's Economist. He wrote a paper titled 'Europäische Wirtschaftsgemeinsch
aft' translated into English it means 'European Economic Community'. Feel free to fact check it on Google, you might actually learn something.
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: The law has existed for over 50 years to make it quicker to close down unauthorised camps as this MP well knows. It's just Bournemouth has chosen not to follow it by by using parks and open spaces as travelers sites instead of putting in proper sites like the rest of the country. I see he is desperately trying to win back the UKIP vote(you know, that party with plans for a jolly third world war in europe, such fun you know all that community spirit, send the young men off to die and kill a lot of foreigners, a sure vote winner in Bournemouth) by bashing travelers. They've traveled for centuries. Hitler tried to stop them with the gas chambers and that didn't work so I hardly think a tory with a video in the local paper will work.[/p][/quote]You really could not be more wrong if you tried, the main reason there has been peace in Europe for over 70 years was down to the fact that Germany did not have to power to start one, now we have 27 countries handing them that power on a plate. If the EU succeeds in becoming a superpower the first thing they will want to do is test that power and the way they have been poking Russia of late, it would be a safe bet that is probably their intended target. The blueprints for the EU were written by a man named Walther Funk in 1942, he was Hitler's Economist. He wrote a paper titled 'Europäische Wirtschaftsgemeinsch aft' translated into English it means 'European Economic Community'. Feel free to fact check it on Google, you might actually learn something. Marty Caine
  • Score: 1

7:29am Mon 4 Aug 14

Baysider says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
justsayithowitis wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
justsayithowitis wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
justsayithowitis wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
It was an English judge who ruled they are an ethnic group and can do as they like. I assume therefore that it's no good petitioning parliament to change the law because, even if the they decide to do so, there'd be the expense of preparing a bill, debating and voting on it, and they'd only be able to change the bit about how soon and why they can be moved on, if that. The travellers would soon challenge that. Presumably they'd have to go through the courts to get the court ruling overturned.

Do you really think they're that bothered about the few weeks inconvenience caused to the residents of a coastal town, a long way from Westminster and most of their own constituencies, to be willing to spend the time and money doing that? I don't. It won't benefit any of them and it won't add funds to the Treasury.

So it's a waste of time signing petitions for a change in the law. As I said earlier it needs a person with sufficient funds to be willing to risk their money going to court to try and overturn the ruling on their ethnic recognition and lifestyle.
It's more of a waste of time to comment on here which achieves absolutely nothing. Why not at least try to get the law changed. Spend a few seconds signing and put one less pointless comment on here then you won't have lost any of your time and it might achieve something. If you don't try the law certainly won't get changed. http://epetitions.di






rect.gov.uk/petition






s/61822 or search epetition 61822 if the link doesn't work
Petitions don't work, especially on-line ones. Apart from genuine signers, they're either added to by bogus people with names like Mickey Mouse, or with made up details. Those who receive the completed petition know this and just ignore it. Believe me, I know that's the case. Petitions rarely achieve anything, so they're a waste of time.

And no, it's not a waste of time commenting on here - people like Connor Burns do read them (although they might not act on them) and they take note of sensible thoughts (even if it is to try to get re-elected), but not those which are just slagging off others or making offensive comments about the topic or other posters.
So first you assume there is no point in signing and now you know for a fact that epetitions don't work. At least if enough people sign it will be debated in parliament. Conor Burns trying to get re elected isn't going to solve the problem. Maybe you think he will stump up his own money and take it to court which is your only idea.. Not very likely. How come online petitions have been debated if you know for a fact that they get ignored. Would like to know where you got that "fact" from
Firstly, e-petitions only get debated when they get to 100,000 signatures, and the current petition has a very, very long way to go before it gets to that figure. The one mentioned on here has probably several years to go before it gets anywhere near 100,000 signatures.

Secondly, MPs only vote for something if there's something in it for them. For instance I'd have thought that firework safety was of great importance, yet a possible bill for making it compulsory for all organisers of fireworks displays to have training took several years/attempts to be implemented because of vested/not interested parties. If that couldn't get through, why would something affecting just a few people - mainly those of us who live in holiday destinations - be successful?
So you have changed your story again. You said it will get thrown out and not even looked at and now you are saying it will get debated if it gets enough signatures. It does have a long way to go but if people would rather moan on here than sign it that is up to them. Maybe if the site had been allowed in Creekmoor you wouldn't have been so negative about other people trying to solve the problem. NIMBY springs to mind
No I haven't changed my mind. A petition, even one not on-line, will be thrown out and not even looked at if it doesn't have a huge amount of signatures. If and I repeat IF, the e-petition ever reaches 100,000 signatures, it will be debated, but that doesn't mean it will end with a change in the law followed by a court ruling. It depends on the vested interests of those voting. What benefit would it have on MPs, even local ones? Not a lot. Just a few fewer letters of complaint. It would make a difference to local government, but they have no influence on central government or the courts.

The site at Creekmoor would never have been allowed - there was too much against it in terms of various safety issues, let alone any other considerations. If a SUITABLE site could be found, I'd welcome it, but it can't. There just isn't anywhere in the two boroughs.

Other people are not trying to solve the problem. Who has suggested something that will actually work and solve the problem? No-one. I don't like banging my head against a brick wall - it hurts. I haven't got the answer, but I know what it isn't.
I've suggested on numerous occasions that the resouces spent on this unsuccessful lockdown nonsense be put into removing their incentive for coming here ie work. If everyone turned them away on the doorstep they would not be here. Burns could actually go further and push through a ban on cold calling so they can't move around all the time. It usually gets the thumbs down though as posters prefer to moan instead...
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: It was an English judge who ruled they are an ethnic group and can do as they like. I assume therefore that it's no good petitioning parliament to change the law because, even if the they decide to do so, there'd be the expense of preparing a bill, debating and voting on it, and they'd only be able to change the bit about how soon and why they can be moved on, if that. The travellers would soon challenge that. Presumably they'd have to go through the courts to get the court ruling overturned. Do you really think they're that bothered about the few weeks inconvenience caused to the residents of a coastal town, a long way from Westminster and most of their own constituencies, to be willing to spend the time and money doing that? I don't. It won't benefit any of them and it won't add funds to the Treasury. So it's a waste of time signing petitions for a change in the law. As I said earlier it needs a person with sufficient funds to be willing to risk their money going to court to try and overturn the ruling on their ethnic recognition and lifestyle.[/p][/quote]It's more of a waste of time to comment on here which achieves absolutely nothing. Why not at least try to get the law changed. Spend a few seconds signing and put one less pointless comment on here then you won't have lost any of your time and it might achieve something. If you don't try the law certainly won't get changed. http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/61822 or search epetition 61822 if the link doesn't work[/p][/quote]Petitions don't work, especially on-line ones. Apart from genuine signers, they're either added to by bogus people with names like Mickey Mouse, or with made up details. Those who receive the completed petition know this and just ignore it. Believe me, I know that's the case. Petitions rarely achieve anything, so they're a waste of time. And no, it's not a waste of time commenting on here - people like Connor Burns do read them (although they might not act on them) and they take note of sensible thoughts (even if it is to try to get re-elected), but not those which are just slagging off others or making offensive comments about the topic or other posters.[/p][/quote]So first you assume there is no point in signing and now you know for a fact that epetitions don't work. At least if enough people sign it will be debated in parliament. Conor Burns trying to get re elected isn't going to solve the problem. Maybe you think he will stump up his own money and take it to court which is your only idea.. Not very likely. How come online petitions have been debated if you know for a fact that they get ignored. Would like to know where you got that "fact" from[/p][/quote]Firstly, e-petitions only get debated when they get to 100,000 signatures, and the current petition has a very, very long way to go before it gets to that figure. The one mentioned on here has probably several years to go before it gets anywhere near 100,000 signatures. Secondly, MPs only vote for something if there's something in it for them. For instance I'd have thought that firework safety was of great importance, yet a possible bill for making it compulsory for all organisers of fireworks displays to have training took several years/attempts to be implemented because of vested/not interested parties. If that couldn't get through, why would something affecting just a few people - mainly those of us who live in holiday destinations - be successful?[/p][/quote]So you have changed your story again. You said it will get thrown out and not even looked at and now you are saying it will get debated if it gets enough signatures. It does have a long way to go but if people would rather moan on here than sign it that is up to them. Maybe if the site had been allowed in Creekmoor you wouldn't have been so negative about other people trying to solve the problem. NIMBY springs to mind[/p][/quote]No I haven't changed my mind. A petition, even one not on-line, will be thrown out and not even looked at if it doesn't have a huge amount of signatures. If and I repeat IF, the e-petition ever reaches 100,000 signatures, it will be debated, but that doesn't mean it will end with a change in the law followed by a court ruling. It depends on the vested interests of those voting. What benefit would it have on MPs, even local ones? Not a lot. Just a few fewer letters of complaint. It would make a difference to local government, but they have no influence on central government or the courts. The site at Creekmoor would never have been allowed - there was too much against it in terms of various safety issues, let alone any other considerations. If a SUITABLE site could be found, I'd welcome it, but it can't. There just isn't anywhere in the two boroughs. Other people are not trying to solve the problem. Who has suggested something that will actually work and solve the problem? No-one. I don't like banging my head against a brick wall - it hurts. I haven't got the answer, but I know what it isn't.[/p][/quote]I've suggested on numerous occasions that the resouces spent on this unsuccessful lockdown nonsense be put into removing their incentive for coming here ie work. If everyone turned them away on the doorstep they would not be here. Burns could actually go further and push through a ban on cold calling so they can't move around all the time. It usually gets the thumbs down though as posters prefer to moan instead... Baysider
  • Score: 2

11:30am Mon 4 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

Baysider misses the point again. You can't arrest everyone on the site because someone broke the padlock, but having gained access to a site where there was forced entry means that anyone on it is there as a result of an act of breaking and entering, which means their access is illegal. Of course, they'll all argue it was broken before the first caravan went in, so the Police will wet themselves and run off to the court rather than sling them off.
Baysider misses the point again. You can't arrest everyone on the site because someone broke the padlock, but having gained access to a site where there was forced entry means that anyone on it is there as a result of an act of breaking and entering, which means their access is illegal. Of course, they'll all argue it was broken before the first caravan went in, so the Police will wet themselves and run off to the court rather than sling them off. speedy231278
  • Score: 0

2:41pm Mon 4 Aug 14

Baysider says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Baysider misses the point again. You can't arrest everyone on the site because someone broke the padlock, but having gained access to a site where there was forced entry means that anyone on it is there as a result of an act of breaking and entering, which means their access is illegal. Of course, they'll all argue it was broken before the first caravan went in, so the Police will wet themselves and run off to the court rather than sling them off.
I've missed nothing at all thanks. Go away and look up the law around breaking and entering. It relates to gaining access to buildings or parts thereof. Not, I repeat NOT car parks and fields. You cannot commit the act of breaking and entry or burglary as it's more commonly known on a car park. I'd advise you stop playing barrack room lawyer because you don't even remotely have the brains to give it a half decent go...
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Baysider misses the point again. You can't arrest everyone on the site because someone broke the padlock, but having gained access to a site where there was forced entry means that anyone on it is there as a result of an act of breaking and entering, which means their access is illegal. Of course, they'll all argue it was broken before the first caravan went in, so the Police will wet themselves and run off to the court rather than sling them off.[/p][/quote]I've missed nothing at all thanks. Go away and look up the law around breaking and entering. It relates to gaining access to buildings or parts thereof. Not, I repeat NOT car parks and fields. You cannot commit the act of breaking and entry or burglary as it's more commonly known on a car park. I'd advise you stop playing barrack room lawyer because you don't even remotely have the brains to give it a half decent go... Baysider
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2:50pm Mon 4 Aug 14

Niel says...

HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Nickydoonah wrote:
I saw Bruce Forsythe in Hamworthy park today
I think it was him you know
he was talking to the travellers
I heard him say
NICE TO SEE YOU TO SEE YOU NICE
We need Clint Eastwood or John Wayne's posse.
.
Bournemouth's like a wild west town with a drunken deputy hiding in the burlesque while outlaws and bandits do as they please.
.
We need a new sheriff in town!!
The one's that visited a few years ago were better armed than the police, another reason they won't willingly go near them...
[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickydoonah[/bold] wrote: I saw Bruce Forsythe in Hamworthy park today I think it was him you know he was talking to the travellers I heard him say NICE TO SEE YOU TO SEE YOU NICE[/p][/quote]We need Clint Eastwood or John Wayne's posse. . Bournemouth's like a wild west town with a drunken deputy hiding in the burlesque while outlaws and bandits do as they please. . We need a new sheriff in town!![/p][/quote]The one's that visited a few years ago were better armed than the police, another reason they won't willingly go near them... Niel
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6:01pm Mon 4 Aug 14

cromwell9 says...

breamoreboy wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
rubberbandman5 wrote:
Think long and hard about this story and the European Court of human rights that tells us to F*** OFF when we complain. That is one of many reasons the Lib-Lab-Cons are going to be wiped out at the next general election.
Cloud cuckoo land, I very much doubt that UKIP will win a single seat, mainly because their supporters are mostly so thick they can't spell 'X' correctly.
Well what a rant (breamore boy).Let me remind you ,that you dont have to be educated ,to have basic common sense,
UKIP will win seats in the house of commons ,and will make a difference.
We must protect our Britsh way of life and Culture,.I am sure the silent mayority of the British people have woken up to the direction this country is going ,and dont like it .
This is a christian country with British values Through uncontrolled imigration.Lib Dems /Labour/Con, EU.The threat is very real .
I dont want my daughters /Grand children living in a non Christian country in less than 50yrs .That will be a reality if we dont do something about it .
I'll be very surprised if UKIP wins a single seat at the general election. As for religion when it comes to hypocrisy they are at the top of the tree with political parties. Now that's an insult if ever there was one. Christian country, as Victor used to say "I don't believe it". NASA estimates the universe to be around 16 billion years old, the Christian religions 6,000 years, I'll stick with the former thank you.
I thought my comments would get your attention .
Yes I am a UKIP person .
All your comments were broadly rubbish .I was pleased you took time to write a sensible reply to mine .
We shall see who is write next May .I would be very happy to buy you a pint ,and a fag if we dont.win seats.
I think you are going to have to wait another 6,000 years for that
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rubberbandman5[/bold] wrote: Think long and hard about this story and the European Court of human rights that tells us to F*** OFF when we complain. That is one of many reasons the Lib-Lab-Cons are going to be wiped out at the next general election.[/p][/quote]Cloud cuckoo land, I very much doubt that UKIP will win a single seat, mainly because their supporters are mostly so thick they can't spell 'X' correctly.[/p][/quote]Well what a rant (breamore boy).Let me remind you ,that you dont have to be educated ,to have basic common sense, UKIP will win seats in the house of commons ,and will make a difference. We must protect our Britsh way of life and Culture,.I am sure the silent mayority of the British people have woken up to the direction this country is going ,and dont like it . This is a christian country with British values Through uncontrolled imigration.Lib Dems /Labour/Con, EU.The threat is very real . I dont want my daughters /Grand children living in a non Christian country in less than 50yrs .That will be a reality if we dont do something about it .[/p][/quote]I'll be very surprised if UKIP wins a single seat at the general election. As for religion when it comes to hypocrisy they are at the top of the tree with political parties. Now that's an insult if ever there was one. Christian country, as Victor used to say "I don't believe it". NASA estimates the universe to be around 16 billion years old, the Christian religions 6,000 years, I'll stick with the former thank you.[/p][/quote]I thought my comments would get your attention . Yes I am a UKIP person . All your comments were broadly rubbish .I was pleased you took time to write a sensible reply to mine . We shall see who is write next May .I would be very happy to buy you a pint ,and a fag if we dont.win seats. I think you are going to have to wait another 6,000 years for that cromwell9
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