Swamped by drug addicts: One GP's fears for the future of Boscombe

CONCERN: Dr Mufeed Ni’Man

CONCERN: Dr Mufeed Ni’Man

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DRUG-addicted former prisoners from outside Bournemouth are being referred to Boscombe every week, a doctor has said.

GP Dr Mufeed Ni’Man says his practice – the Providence Surgery in Walpole Road – receives weekly requests from the probation service to accept former prisoners on their register.

He said some of those referred, chiefly for drug and alcohol rehabilitation treatment at various centres in the area, had been identified as “high risk” by his staff.

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Dr Ni’Man, who expressed his concerns at this month’s Bos-combe Forum meeting, said: “These are people who have committed crimes, from the simple to the serious, and they include paedophiles and sexual predators.

“They come from all over and unfortunately most will have some alcohol and drug problems.

“We risk assess all patients – it is important to safeguard our staff and other patients. We don’t want aggressive or violent people in the waiting room.

“Some people are okay, others we assess and think they are high risk. But NHS England have said we have to take them.”

He said staff occasionally endured threatening behaviour and vandalism of their property.

“I have worked here for 12 years, most of our staff have been here even longer. We love the area – it is a challenge but a nice one,” he added.

“But it is getting worse, which is worrying, and bringing in more people with problems will not help.”

Ward councillor Christopher Wakefield said he has been assured by Dorset Police that only local residents on probation are being referred for treatment and housing in Boscombe.

“This is something we were assured wasn’t happening,” he said.

“It is really not appropriate to be sending people with multiple complex issues into Boscombe because of its own complex issues.

“We will be asking some serious questions of the police and the probation service.

“As far as NHS England is concerned, it is not the sort of thing they will comment to us about. But there may be a route through public health.”

A National Probation Service spokesman said the service and the Dorset, Devon and Cornwall Community Rehabilitation Company were “committed to the work of the Boscombe Regeneration Partnership” to prevent resettlement of offenders “without local connection”.

“Recovery programmes are delivered across the country and offender managers work closely with the offender to locate the most suitable course, away from the life of crime they led,” he said.

“Those who are managed under multi-agency protection arrangements will be risk assessed, monitored and supervised by probation, police and other agencies.”

He said statistics on the number of offenders in rehab in Boscombe were not available.

‘Unique demographic’

BOSCOMBE’S demographics are “unique”, with a transient population and low proportion of elderly people, Dr Ni’Man said.

“Our patient turnover is 35 per cent a year, whereas for the average practice it is around five per cent,” he said.

“The advantage of being treated by a GP is the continuity of care, but that doesn’t apply here as by the time we have put people on the books and assessed them they have moved on.”

Dr Ni’Man, who has been a GP in the area for 12 years, said the surgery was struggling with reduced government funding, and that where funding was available it was provided for care of the elderly.

“We have around 7,500 patients and only about 300 of them are over 65. We haven’t been complaining but we are reaching a stage where people won’t be able to access appropriate care.”

Commissioner’s view

DORSET Police and Crime Commissioner Martyn Underhill said that according to HMP statistics, only a “small amount” of non-Bournemouth residents were coming into Boscombe from prison, chiefly from London.

“Current guidance and legislation means that local authorities and prisons can house people from out of the area,” he said.

“There is little that elected officials or officers can do to regulate who is coming into the area.”

He said he, Bournemouth East MP Tobias Ellwood and Bournemouth Council were lobbying government “for more control”.

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5:39am Wed 30 Jul 14

Lord Parkstone says...

Was the same in Blandford a few years ago. These germs are attracted to each other.
You try getting a same day appointment at the Dr. Unless you are a dirty smack rat you got no choice. People say drug addiction is a illness. Its not. Its a choice thats made. Cancer is an illness and nobody chooses to have that.
Stop pandering to these waste of space low life scumbags.keep them locked up and stop inflicting them on society.
Was the same in Blandford a few years ago. These germs are attracted to each other. You try getting a same day appointment at the Dr. Unless you are a dirty smack rat you got no choice. People say drug addiction is a illness. Its not. Its a choice thats made. Cancer is an illness and nobody chooses to have that. Stop pandering to these waste of space low life scumbags.keep them locked up and stop inflicting them on society. Lord Parkstone
  • Score: 150

5:42am Wed 30 Jul 14

churchill gardens resident says...

Well done for speaking up Dr Niman. Being a resident of Boscombe, a home owner, Businessman & landlord. I have noticed myself the area is declining more now than ever. Despite what Cllr jane "it will be wonderful for boscombe Kelly & her side kick wakefield says.. There seems to be more & more problems on the street. I have been going to Regeneration meetings for years listening to all the crap that comes out of officials mouths about how complicated all of Boscombes problems are. Rearly the fixes are to some degree quite simple apart from blowing the whole area up as some would say. One of the biggest problems is the amount of squalid doss houses which breed problems & will continue to do so as long as the exist. I think Bournemouth council are to frightened to go head to head with landlords in getting them to improve there tenants lives & society in general .Untill this happens few other types of people will not be attracted to the area
Well done for speaking up Dr Niman. Being a resident of Boscombe, a home owner, Businessman & landlord. I have noticed myself the area is declining more now than ever. Despite what Cllr jane "it will be wonderful for boscombe Kelly & her side kick wakefield says.. There seems to be more & more problems on the street. I have been going to Regeneration meetings for years listening to all the crap that comes out of officials mouths about how complicated all of Boscombes problems are. Rearly the fixes are to some degree quite simple apart from blowing the whole area up as some would say. One of the biggest problems is the amount of squalid doss houses which breed problems & will continue to do so as long as the exist. I think Bournemouth council are to frightened to go head to head with landlords in getting them to improve there tenants lives & society in general .Untill this happens few other types of people will not be attracted to the area churchill gardens resident
  • Score: 125

6:50am Wed 30 Jul 14

kalebmoledirt says...

So who is telling the truth ,the Doctor or the police commissioner?
So who is telling the truth ,the Doctor or the police commissioner? kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 55

7:05am Wed 30 Jul 14

Huey says...

What a big surprise this isn't.
Boscombe being used as a dumping ground, and the plod want to close the local nick.
Yup sounds about right.
Just waiting for some councillor to announce that some new railings will make everything okay.
Pah. What a joke.
Stick your regeneration up your collective backsides you bunch of jerks.
What a big surprise this isn't. Boscombe being used as a dumping ground, and the plod want to close the local nick. Yup sounds about right. Just waiting for some councillor to announce that some new railings will make everything okay. Pah. What a joke. Stick your regeneration up your collective backsides you bunch of jerks. Huey
  • Score: 83

7:09am Wed 30 Jul 14

esquisquirrel says...

And in tomorrow's Echo - "Bears s!!t in woods" says local shopkeep
And in tomorrow's Echo - "Bears s!!t in woods" says local shopkeep esquisquirrel
  • Score: 20

7:12am Wed 30 Jul 14

master plan says...

They come to boscombe because of local connection DRUGS the national probation service do you have any clue?
They come to boscombe because of local connection DRUGS the national probation service do you have any clue? master plan
  • Score: 37

7:16am Wed 30 Jul 14

Lord Spring says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
So who is telling the truth ,the Doctor or the police commissioner?
My money is on the medicine man the other is a non runner.
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: So who is telling the truth ,the Doctor or the police commissioner?[/p][/quote]My money is on the medicine man the other is a non runner. Lord Spring
  • Score: 69

7:52am Wed 30 Jul 14

BIGTONE says...

It says it all when Jeremy Kyle recently said to a Heroin addict....."the show will help you and send you to Bournemouth for treatment"

Great National advert eh?
It says it all when Jeremy Kyle recently said to a Heroin addict....."the show will help you and send you to Bournemouth for treatment" Great National advert eh? BIGTONE
  • Score: 80

7:54am Wed 30 Jul 14

I love bournemouth says...

I am a patient of dr ni'man's practice and fully back his concerns .I have been with the practice for 32 years including dr Stevenson who was first there .sometimes when waiting to be seen nearay 90% of the waiting room is filled with others talking about there rehab ; drugs prison and the like.I really feel for the staff at the practice as they do an amazing job despite the pressure they are under.thanks for all you do dr n and team you do an amazing job
I am a patient of dr ni'man's practice and fully back his concerns .I have been with the practice for 32 years including dr Stevenson who was first there .sometimes when waiting to be seen nearay 90% of the waiting room is filled with others talking about there rehab ; drugs prison and the like.I really feel for the staff at the practice as they do an amazing job despite the pressure they are under.thanks for all you do dr n and team you do an amazing job I love bournemouth
  • Score: 98

7:57am Wed 30 Jul 14

skydriver says...

Good to see the council are trying to clean up Boscombe ...........NOT,
Yet another example of council talking a load of rubbish., still a good advert for the tourist trade........not, I feel sure the hotel business in the area will flourish............
not.
For goodness sake when will the council see common sense .
Still spend even more money then the problem will go away,.........not
Good to see the council are trying to clean up Boscombe ...........NOT, Yet another example of council talking a load of rubbish., still a good advert for the tourist trade........not, I feel sure the hotel business in the area will flourish............ not. For goodness sake when will the council see common sense . Still spend even more money then the problem will go away,.........not skydriver
  • Score: 30

8:01am Wed 30 Jul 14

bosco1 says...

Well done to Dr Ni"Mann for speaking out the complete truth regarding Boscombe.! For once a person has said whats happening now, and how the future looks. In my opinion the Doctors and the Local hospitals work very hard looking after there patients, its very sad the doctors and patients have to tolerate these people. Maybe open a surgery just to cater for these problem people at least they can all sit together in the waiting room and annoy each other.!!
Well done to Dr Ni"Mann for speaking out the complete truth regarding Boscombe.! For once a person has said whats happening now, and how the future looks. In my opinion the Doctors and the Local hospitals work very hard looking after there patients, its very sad the doctors and patients have to tolerate these people. Maybe open a surgery just to cater for these problem people at least they can all sit together in the waiting room and annoy each other.!! bosco1
  • Score: 60

8:10am Wed 30 Jul 14

politicaltrainspotter says...

At the last the truth is out and one can only thank Dr Ni'man to bring the realities of Boscombe.

So the bullsh*t of Cllrs Kelly, Wakefield and 'anyone seen my sat-nav' Blunderhill is exposed as I know who'd I believe.
At the last the truth is out and one can only thank Dr Ni'man to bring the realities of Boscombe. So the bullsh*t of Cllrs Kelly, Wakefield and 'anyone seen my sat-nav' Blunderhill is exposed as I know who'd I believe. politicaltrainspotter
  • Score: 54

8:10am Wed 30 Jul 14

Moro99 says...

They get sent here into unregistered supported housing and slum bedsits. The only way to deal with this is to crack down on poor housing
They get sent here into unregistered supported housing and slum bedsits. The only way to deal with this is to crack down on poor housing Moro99
  • Score: 45

8:19am Wed 30 Jul 14

cromwell9 says...

All drug offenders etc ,should be sent back to the area they were born for treatment .
DONT dump them on us in Bournemouth.You would not take your rubbish and DUMP it in your next door neighbours garden .
This has to stop .The whole area is being ruined by drugs,etc,
This is a seaside town ,for familys.
SORT out your own problems,We dont nead it thankyou,
All drug offenders etc ,should be sent back to the area they were born for treatment . DONT dump them on us in Bournemouth.You would not take your rubbish and DUMP it in your next door neighbours garden . This has to stop .The whole area is being ruined by drugs,etc, This is a seaside town ,for familys. SORT out your own problems,We dont nead it thankyou, cromwell9
  • Score: 77

8:25am Wed 30 Jul 14

bobthedestroyer says...

This practice has been happening for years. After their treatment BBC have to house them in most cases increasing the burden in the tax payer and housing availability. If they need treatment this should be available through any NHS service. Centralising doesn't help especially when these people have issues with addiction, just gives the dealers easy pickings
This practice has been happening for years. After their treatment BBC have to house them in most cases increasing the burden in the tax payer and housing availability. If they need treatment this should be available through any NHS service. Centralising doesn't help especially when these people have issues with addiction, just gives the dealers easy pickings bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 33

8:27am Wed 30 Jul 14

bobthedestroyer says...

The Doctor will now be forced to resign
The Doctor will now be forced to resign bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 14

8:27am Wed 30 Jul 14

politicaltrainspotter says...

Cllrs Jane Kelly and Chris Wakefield are now appearing in Boscombe Xfiles as Mulder and Skully as the truth is now out and it's just bit them both on the ****

Now with the local elections in 2015 do you really want these two as your councillors who have mislead those who they have represented /

Boscombe needs change in politicians and vision and Dr Ni'mans analasist may have given the opportunity for the area to move forward.
Cllrs Jane Kelly and Chris Wakefield are now appearing in Boscombe Xfiles as Mulder and Skully as the truth is now out and it's just bit them both on the **** Now with the local elections in 2015 do you really want these two as your councillors who have mislead those who they have represented / Boscombe needs change in politicians and vision and Dr Ni'mans analasist may have given the opportunity for the area to move forward. politicaltrainspotter
  • Score: 32

8:47am Wed 30 Jul 14

Mike_French says...

Paint a few lamposts nice & green - that'll work
Paint a few lamposts nice & green - that'll work Mike_French
  • Score: 16

8:48am Wed 30 Jul 14

High Treason says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
So who is telling the truth ,the Doctor or the police commissioner?
The Doctor. The police commissioner is a waste of public money. Doctors do what is best for the patent. Police commissioners do what is best to keep them in their well paid job with perks. Few have little experience of running a police force and just figurehead to promote government propaganda and massage numbers .
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: So who is telling the truth ,the Doctor or the police commissioner?[/p][/quote]The Doctor. The police commissioner is a waste of public money. Doctors do what is best for the patent. Police commissioners do what is best to keep them in their well paid job with perks. Few have little experience of running a police force and just figurehead to promote government propaganda and massage numbers . High Treason
  • Score: 36

8:57am Wed 30 Jul 14

politicaltrainspotter says...

Ward councillor Christopher Wakefield said he has been assured by Dorset Police that only local residents on probation are being referred for treatment and housing in Boscombe.

“This is something we were assured wasn’t happening,” he said.

“It is really not appropriate to be sending people with multiple complex issues into Boscombe because of its own complex issues.

“We will be asking some serious questions of the police and the probation service.

Stop passing the buck, Cllr Wakefield.You knew.Your very quick to comment on other stories that the police have kept you fully informed but not this one.

As for Martyn Underhill when he was elected stated that Boscombe would be a special case .His words were 'We have to unlock the issues'.So whats he done.Apart from having his sat-nav nicked.Nothing.
Ward councillor Christopher Wakefield said he has been assured by Dorset Police that only local residents on probation are being referred for treatment and housing in Boscombe. “This is something we were assured wasn’t happening,” he said. “It is really not appropriate to be sending people with multiple complex issues into Boscombe because of its own complex issues. “We will be asking some serious questions of the police and the probation service. Stop passing the buck, Cllr Wakefield.You knew.Your very quick to comment on other stories that the police have kept you fully informed but not this one. As for Martyn Underhill when he was elected stated that Boscombe would be a special case .His words were 'We have to unlock the issues'.So whats he done.Apart from having his sat-nav nicked.Nothing. politicaltrainspotter
  • Score: 31

9:22am Wed 30 Jul 14

spooki says...

bobthedestroyer wrote:
The Doctor will now be forced to resign
I thought the same! Or he'll be 'transferred' to somewhere else.
[quote][p][bold]bobthedestroyer[/bold] wrote: The Doctor will now be forced to resign[/p][/quote]I thought the same! Or he'll be 'transferred' to somewhere else. spooki
  • Score: 16

9:44am Wed 30 Jul 14

michael mead says...

The providence project has being doing exactly what you are moaning about. That project has been shipping in drug addcted prolific offenders for many years from all over the country for the rehab that your boss is part of.
Dr turnball has made a lot of money out of this and may be you should sort out your own ethics, in how your company is involved with profiting out of the thing your moaning about.
The providence project has being doing exactly what you are moaning about. That project has been shipping in drug addcted prolific offenders for many years from all over the country for the rehab that your boss is part of. Dr turnball has made a lot of money out of this and may be you should sort out your own ethics, in how your company is involved with profiting out of the thing your moaning about. michael mead
  • Score: -6

9:55am Wed 30 Jul 14

echoreader2701 says...

It is everyone's human right to be allowed to a see a doctor. Black, white, sick, healthy, addict, non addict. God forbid you are turned away because you have a socially unacceptable "illness". When it was frowned upon to be gay, should the Aids sufferers have been turned away from treatment? Ludicrous. Do addicts not get the flu?
As for the National Probation Service, only those with a local connection to Bournemouth, i.e close family living in the area are accepted into the area. Those that are sent here from other areas are to protect their victims in their home areas or to prevent them from returning to their old circumstances that have been influential in their committing of crime. So if you are attacked and your attacker is returned to their address close to you and you have to see them every day, remember you said "send them all back where they came from"
It's all relative.
Fact is, no matter where people are from, there are drugs in this area. But denying them doctors and treatment is hardly helping them clean their act up is it?!
It is everyone's human right to be allowed to a see a doctor. Black, white, sick, healthy, addict, non addict. God forbid you are turned away because you have a socially unacceptable "illness". When it was frowned upon to be gay, should the Aids sufferers have been turned away from treatment? Ludicrous. Do addicts not get the flu? As for the National Probation Service, only those with a local connection to Bournemouth, i.e close family living in the area are accepted into the area. Those that are sent here from other areas are to protect their victims in their home areas or to prevent them from returning to their old circumstances that have been influential in their committing of crime. So if you are attacked and your attacker is returned to their address close to you and you have to see them every day, remember you said "send them all back where they came from" It's all relative. Fact is, no matter where people are from, there are drugs in this area. But denying them doctors and treatment is hardly helping them clean their act up is it?! echoreader2701
  • Score: -50

10:03am Wed 30 Jul 14

Wackerone says...

Lord Parkstone wrote:
Was the same in Blandford a few years ago. These germs are attracted to each other.
You try getting a same day appointment at the Dr. Unless you are a dirty smack rat you got no choice. People say drug addiction is a illness. Its not. Its a choice thats made. Cancer is an illness and nobody chooses to have that.
Stop pandering to these waste of space low life scumbags.keep them locked up and stop inflicting them on society.
Round the lot up, put them on an island similar to Devils Island and let them all rot away till they die.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Parkstone[/bold] wrote: Was the same in Blandford a few years ago. These germs are attracted to each other. You try getting a same day appointment at the Dr. Unless you are a dirty smack rat you got no choice. People say drug addiction is a illness. Its not. Its a choice thats made. Cancer is an illness and nobody chooses to have that. Stop pandering to these waste of space low life scumbags.keep them locked up and stop inflicting them on society.[/p][/quote]Round the lot up, put them on an island similar to Devils Island and let them all rot away till they die. Wackerone
  • Score: 26

10:38am Wed 30 Jul 14

Abkhazsoyuz says...

You all need Jesus.
You all need Jesus. Abkhazsoyuz
  • Score: -19

10:49am Wed 30 Jul 14

speedy231278 says...

Wackerone wrote:
Lord Parkstone wrote:
Was the same in Blandford a few years ago. These germs are attracted to each other.
You try getting a same day appointment at the Dr. Unless you are a dirty smack rat you got no choice. People say drug addiction is a illness. Its not. Its a choice thats made. Cancer is an illness and nobody chooses to have that.
Stop pandering to these waste of space low life scumbags.keep them locked up and stop inflicting them on society.
Round the lot up, put them on an island similar to Devils Island and let them all rot away till they die.
You cannot condemn people to death in such a manner (although it seems the Tories are trying with all their reforms aimed against the genuinely sick, needy and elderly), however it just seems that everywhere ships in all their social misfits to Boscombe because it's a soft target with a bad but deserved and unfortunate reputation. Persons in such a state should be treated in the area they originated from rather than offloaded wherever is convenient for the ward that no longer has to contribute to their wellbeing.
[quote][p][bold]Wackerone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Parkstone[/bold] wrote: Was the same in Blandford a few years ago. These germs are attracted to each other. You try getting a same day appointment at the Dr. Unless you are a dirty smack rat you got no choice. People say drug addiction is a illness. Its not. Its a choice thats made. Cancer is an illness and nobody chooses to have that. Stop pandering to these waste of space low life scumbags.keep them locked up and stop inflicting them on society.[/p][/quote]Round the lot up, put them on an island similar to Devils Island and let them all rot away till they die.[/p][/quote]You cannot condemn people to death in such a manner (although it seems the Tories are trying with all their reforms aimed against the genuinely sick, needy and elderly), however it just seems that everywhere ships in all their social misfits to Boscombe because it's a soft target with a bad but deserved and unfortunate reputation. Persons in such a state should be treated in the area they originated from rather than offloaded wherever is convenient for the ward that no longer has to contribute to their wellbeing. speedy231278
  • Score: -5

10:50am Wed 30 Jul 14

djd says...

michael mead wrote:
The providence project has being doing exactly what you are moaning about. That project has been shipping in drug addcted prolific offenders for many years from all over the country for the rehab that your boss is part of.
Dr turnball has made a lot of money out of this and may be you should sort out your own ethics, in how your company is involved with profiting out of the thing your moaning about.
As far as I am aware the Providence Project and the Providence Surgery are separate entities.
One is in Christchurch Road, the other is in Walpole Road.
[quote][p][bold]michael mead[/bold] wrote: The providence project has being doing exactly what you are moaning about. That project has been shipping in drug addcted prolific offenders for many years from all over the country for the rehab that your boss is part of. Dr turnball has made a lot of money out of this and may be you should sort out your own ethics, in how your company is involved with profiting out of the thing your moaning about.[/p][/quote]As far as I am aware the Providence Project and the Providence Surgery are separate entities. One is in Christchurch Road, the other is in Walpole Road. djd
  • Score: 7

10:56am Wed 30 Jul 14

Dibbles2 says...

michael mead wrote:
The providence project has being doing exactly what you are moaning about. That project has been shipping in drug addcted prolific offenders for many years from all over the country for the rehab that your boss is part of.
Dr turnball has made a lot of money out of this and may be you should sort out your own ethics, in how your company is involved with profiting out of the thing your moaning about.
Absolutely right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!! Including our most famous resident in rehab whose Dr Turnbulls surgery wall sports his old football shirt (confidentiality?)

All I can say is these people knew about this years ago and now that funding is being cut they have decided to speak out.

Drug rehab hostels and services are the most inbred service in Bournemouth with relatives working together. They are corrupt in that stats are fiddled to make things look good. EG if someone had used they would be put down as a successful discharge as that person had chosen to use! If the echo had picked up on some of these comments in the past they might have had a fine story to report!

These services do not want people to succeed as lets be honest if everyone got better where would they be! One of the most corrupt things about the hostels is the extortionate rent and service charges they charge which are picked up by housing benefit. A church organisation being one of the worst! All of them are also guilty of kicking someone out on the street one day and having a new resident in that bed by the end of the day and getting two lots of housing benefit for the same bed! That money pays for dirty bed linen, beds I would let a dog sleep in and unusable cooking utensils and pans. Nowhere to store fresh or frozen food safely.The list could go on!

As for Christopher Wakefield...........
............if you had been providing a decent service to your residents properly this is easy to identify. You should have known this!
[quote][p][bold]michael mead[/bold] wrote: The providence project has being doing exactly what you are moaning about. That project has been shipping in drug addcted prolific offenders for many years from all over the country for the rehab that your boss is part of. Dr turnball has made a lot of money out of this and may be you should sort out your own ethics, in how your company is involved with profiting out of the thing your moaning about.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! Including our most famous resident in rehab whose Dr Turnbulls surgery wall sports his old football shirt (confidentiality?) All I can say is these people knew about this years ago and now that funding is being cut they have decided to speak out. Drug rehab hostels and services are the most inbred service in Bournemouth with relatives working together. They are corrupt in that stats are fiddled to make things look good. EG if someone had used they would be put down as a successful discharge as that person had chosen to use! If the echo had picked up on some of these comments in the past they might have had a fine story to report! These services do not want people to succeed as lets be honest if everyone got better where would they be! One of the most corrupt things about the hostels is the extortionate rent and service charges they charge which are picked up by housing benefit. A church organisation being one of the worst! All of them are also guilty of kicking someone out on the street one day and having a new resident in that bed by the end of the day and getting two lots of housing benefit for the same bed! That money pays for dirty bed linen, beds I would let a dog sleep in and unusable cooking utensils and pans. Nowhere to store fresh or frozen food safely.The list could go on! As for Christopher Wakefield........... ............if you had been providing a decent service to your residents properly this is easy to identify. You should have known this! Dibbles2
  • Score: 12

11:00am Wed 30 Jul 14

BmthNewshound says...

Cllrs Kelly, Beelsey & Co are in complete denial about the scale of the problems facing Boscombe and its impact on the wider Bournemouth area. They are simply out of their depth and desperate that the true scale of the problems facing the town are kept under wraps– they must be made to face up to the problems and tackle them head on.
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Well today the truth has been laid bare – As many of us has suspected for years Boscombe has become a dumping ground and I suspect that the growth in the number of homeless people in Bournemouth can be traced back to the rehab centres in Boscombe.
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It won’t be until Boscombe has a stable resident population and is no longer used as a dumping ground that any attempts to regenerate the area will stand any chance of succeeding.
Cllrs Kelly, Beelsey & Co are in complete denial about the scale of the problems facing Boscombe and its impact on the wider Bournemouth area. They are simply out of their depth and desperate that the true scale of the problems facing the town are kept under wraps– they must be made to face up to the problems and tackle them head on. . Well today the truth has been laid bare – As many of us has suspected for years Boscombe has become a dumping ground and I suspect that the growth in the number of homeless people in Bournemouth can be traced back to the rehab centres in Boscombe. . It won’t be until Boscombe has a stable resident population and is no longer used as a dumping ground that any attempts to regenerate the area will stand any chance of succeeding. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 20

11:04am Wed 30 Jul 14

Babybop says...

I believe the doctor. I had to attend two appointments for work purposes in boscombe regarding drugs use. In one meeting nobody was from the Bournemouth area and the other meeting only one person. They had all be referred here from London as Boscombe is renowned for its drug rehabilitation. I think it's great we have these fantastic facilities to offer but the extend support when they move back home or to another area needs to be looked into because I believe that is part of the reason people stay. I also think that maybe Boscombe drug rehabilitation centres could help improve other centres so everyone is not referred to just here and that other centres could offer the same standard of care.
I believe the doctor. I had to attend two appointments for work purposes in boscombe regarding drugs use. In one meeting nobody was from the Bournemouth area and the other meeting only one person. They had all be referred here from London as Boscombe is renowned for its drug rehabilitation. I think it's great we have these fantastic facilities to offer but the extend support when they move back home or to another area needs to be looked into because I believe that is part of the reason people stay. I also think that maybe Boscombe drug rehabilitation centres could help improve other centres so everyone is not referred to just here and that other centres could offer the same standard of care. Babybop
  • Score: 7

11:15am Wed 30 Jul 14

Gooby! says...

There is a large quantity of private and NHS rehab clinics in the area. These all have an incredibly low success rate. Addicts come to the area to clean up, if you are going to be a smack head, why not do it on a nice beach instead of some grotty northern town? They enter rehab, fail and as soon as they walk out the door there is glut of nice 1 bedroom flats which the council will pay for and an abundance of dealers. Multiply that by a police force who are inept and 40 shades of useless then you have an addicts nirvana. If on the off chance they get caught (fall on the feet of an officer so he can't ignore it), you enrol in another round of rehab that you will
1) fail
2) succeed - but be unemployable and therefore fall back on crime
3) fail
4) Succeed but the drug culture is so strong, you start again very quickly
or
5)fail

But if you are going to fail at rehab, be unemployed, involved in crime - where better than the beach to let it happen to you.
There is a large quantity of private and NHS rehab clinics in the area. These all have an incredibly low success rate. Addicts come to the area to clean up, if you are going to be a smack head, why not do it on a nice beach instead of some grotty northern town? They enter rehab, fail and as soon as they walk out the door there is glut of nice 1 bedroom flats which the council will pay for and an abundance of dealers. Multiply that by a police force who are inept and 40 shades of useless then you have an addicts nirvana. If on the off chance they get caught (fall on the feet of an officer so he can't ignore it), you enrol in another round of rehab that you will 1) fail 2) succeed - but be unemployable and therefore fall back on crime 3) fail 4) Succeed but the drug culture is so strong, you start again very quickly or 5)fail But if you are going to fail at rehab, be unemployed, involved in crime - where better than the beach to let it happen to you. Gooby!
  • Score: 21

11:30am Wed 30 Jul 14

muscliffman says...

Thank you for confirming what many locals have long believed Doctor. Right minded Bournemouth residents who want the decent old Boscombe back should now follow the money and start asking a lot of extremely serious questions.

Including for instance;
Who benefits from these ex-prisoners and addicts coming to Boscombe? - because we can very safely bet some people are - big time!
Do the Council themselves receive any financial incentives from the Government for taking these ex-prisoners and addicts into this part of our town?
What political/business or even personal relationships exist between any individuals in positions of influence and the beneficiaries of this ex-prisoner and addict influx - and so who is really pulling the strings on Boscombe policy?

Identify those who are doing very nicely directly and indirectly from this very deliberate degradation of Boscombe and then Bournemouth's residents have a starting point from which to begin the real rather than pretend 'regeneration' recovery of this suburb. And that really would be "wonderful for Boscombe"!
Thank you for confirming what many locals have long believed Doctor. Right minded Bournemouth residents who want the decent old Boscombe back should now follow the money and start asking a lot of extremely serious questions. Including for instance; Who benefits from these ex-prisoners and addicts coming to Boscombe? - because we can very safely bet some people are - big time! Do the Council themselves receive any financial incentives from the Government for taking these ex-prisoners and addicts into this part of our town? What political/business or even personal relationships exist between any individuals in positions of influence and the beneficiaries of this ex-prisoner and addict influx - and so who is really pulling the strings on Boscombe policy? Identify those who are doing very nicely directly and indirectly from this very deliberate degradation of Boscombe and then Bournemouth's residents have a starting point from which to begin the real rather than pretend 'regeneration' recovery of this suburb. And that really would be "wonderful for Boscombe"! muscliffman
  • Score: 17

11:32am Wed 30 Jul 14

beachcomber1 says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
Cllrs Kelly, Beelsey & Co are in complete denial about the scale of the problems facing Boscombe and its impact on the wider Bournemouth area. They are simply out of their depth and desperate that the true scale of the problems facing the town are kept under wraps– they must be made to face up to the problems and tackle them head on.
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Well today the truth has been laid bare – As many of us has suspected for years Boscombe has become a dumping ground and I suspect that the growth in the number of homeless people in Bournemouth can be traced back to the rehab centres in Boscombe.
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It won’t be until Boscombe has a stable resident population and is no longer used as a dumping ground that any attempts to regenerate the area will stand any chance of succeeding.
the magnitude and complexity of the situation does make you wonder if local councillors have sufficient experience, training and gravitas to do anything about it.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: Cllrs Kelly, Beelsey & Co are in complete denial about the scale of the problems facing Boscombe and its impact on the wider Bournemouth area. They are simply out of their depth and desperate that the true scale of the problems facing the town are kept under wraps– they must be made to face up to the problems and tackle them head on. . Well today the truth has been laid bare – As many of us has suspected for years Boscombe has become a dumping ground and I suspect that the growth in the number of homeless people in Bournemouth can be traced back to the rehab centres in Boscombe. . It won’t be until Boscombe has a stable resident population and is no longer used as a dumping ground that any attempts to regenerate the area will stand any chance of succeeding.[/p][/quote]the magnitude and complexity of the situation does make you wonder if local councillors have sufficient experience, training and gravitas to do anything about it. beachcomber1
  • Score: 8

11:45am Wed 30 Jul 14

ProudofBoscombe says...

muscliffman wrote:
Thank you for confirming what many locals have long believed Doctor. Right minded Bournemouth residents who want the decent old Boscombe back should now follow the money and start asking a lot of extremely serious questions.

Including for instance;
Who benefits from these ex-prisoners and addicts coming to Boscombe? - because we can very safely bet some people are - big time!
Do the Council themselves receive any financial incentives from the Government for taking these ex-prisoners and addicts into this part of our town?
What political/business or even personal relationships exist between any individuals in positions of influence and the beneficiaries of this ex-prisoner and addict influx - and so who is really pulling the strings on Boscombe policy?

Identify those who are doing very nicely directly and indirectly from this very deliberate degradation of Boscombe and then Bournemouth's residents have a starting point from which to begin the real rather than pretend 'regeneration' recovery of this suburb. And that really would be "wonderful for Boscombe"!
Sounds like a tailor made Channel 4 documentary. Surely there's some spunky investigative journalists out there who can dig out the dirt?

Oh wait, this is a newspaper website I'm typing on! Errrrr owners of the Echo also with snouts in the trough?
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Thank you for confirming what many locals have long believed Doctor. Right minded Bournemouth residents who want the decent old Boscombe back should now follow the money and start asking a lot of extremely serious questions. Including for instance; Who benefits from these ex-prisoners and addicts coming to Boscombe? - because we can very safely bet some people are - big time! Do the Council themselves receive any financial incentives from the Government for taking these ex-prisoners and addicts into this part of our town? What political/business or even personal relationships exist between any individuals in positions of influence and the beneficiaries of this ex-prisoner and addict influx - and so who is really pulling the strings on Boscombe policy? Identify those who are doing very nicely directly and indirectly from this very deliberate degradation of Boscombe and then Bournemouth's residents have a starting point from which to begin the real rather than pretend 'regeneration' recovery of this suburb. And that really would be "wonderful for Boscombe"![/p][/quote]Sounds like a tailor made Channel 4 documentary. Surely there's some spunky investigative journalists out there who can dig out the dirt? Oh wait, this is a newspaper website I'm typing on! Errrrr owners of the Echo also with snouts in the trough? ProudofBoscombe
  • Score: 3

11:48am Wed 30 Jul 14

Bonjovigirl says...

cromwell9 wrote:
All drug offenders etc ,should be sent back to the area they were born for treatment .
DONT dump them on us in Bournemouth.You would not take your rubbish and DUMP it in your next door neighbours garden .
This has to stop .The whole area is being ruined by drugs,etc,
This is a seaside town ,for familys.
SORT out your own problems,We dont nead it thankyou,
Have to agree, Bournemouth was once a nice family area now to many pubs/clubs and too many drug addicts and drunks ,you don't feel safe walking around with your family in the evenings anymore.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: All drug offenders etc ,should be sent back to the area they were born for treatment . DONT dump them on us in Bournemouth.You would not take your rubbish and DUMP it in your next door neighbours garden . This has to stop .The whole area is being ruined by drugs,etc, This is a seaside town ,for familys. SORT out your own problems,We dont nead it thankyou,[/p][/quote]Have to agree, Bournemouth was once a nice family area now to many pubs/clubs and too many drug addicts and drunks ,you don't feel safe walking around with your family in the evenings anymore. Bonjovigirl
  • Score: 17

12:06pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ljc1976 says...

He should be more concerned about still running Windows XP. He might catch something nasty.
He should be more concerned about still running Windows XP. He might catch something nasty. ljc1976
  • Score: -6

12:14pm Wed 30 Jul 14

John T says...

muscliffman wrote:
Thank you for confirming what many locals have long believed Doctor. Right minded Bournemouth residents who want the decent old Boscombe back should now follow the money and start asking a lot of extremely serious questions.

Including for instance;
Who benefits from these ex-prisoners and addicts coming to Boscombe? - because we can very safely bet some people are - big time!
Do the Council themselves receive any financial incentives from the Government for taking these ex-prisoners and addicts into this part of our town?
What political/business or even personal relationships exist between any individuals in positions of influence and the beneficiaries of this ex-prisoner and addict influx - and so who is really pulling the strings on Boscombe policy?

Identify those who are doing very nicely directly and indirectly from this very deliberate degradation of Boscombe and then Bournemouth's residents have a starting point from which to begin the real rather than pretend 'regeneration' recovery of this suburb. And that really would be "wonderful for Boscombe"!
Well, well, well....there's a clue there to the answer to a couple of your questions, i.e. as to who the main beneficiaries are, and who is really pulling the strings on Boscombe's policy.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Thank you for confirming what many locals have long believed Doctor. Right minded Bournemouth residents who want the decent old Boscombe back should now follow the money and start asking a lot of extremely serious questions. Including for instance; Who benefits from these ex-prisoners and addicts coming to Boscombe? - because we can very safely bet some people are - big time! Do the Council themselves receive any financial incentives from the Government for taking these ex-prisoners and addicts into this part of our town? What political/business or even personal relationships exist between any individuals in positions of influence and the beneficiaries of this ex-prisoner and addict influx - and so who is really pulling the strings on Boscombe policy? Identify those who are doing very nicely directly and indirectly from this very deliberate degradation of Boscombe and then Bournemouth's residents have a starting point from which to begin the real rather than pretend 'regeneration' recovery of this suburb. And that really would be "wonderful for Boscombe"![/p][/quote]Well, well, well....there's a clue there to the answer to a couple of your questions, i.e. as to who the main beneficiaries are, and who is really pulling the strings on Boscombe's policy. John T
  • Score: 6

12:40pm Wed 30 Jul 14

stevobath says...

The irony.
This is the very surgery that was famous for referrals to 'The Providence Project', one of the 1st drug treatment centres in Boscombe , which was originally on the corner of St Johns Rd, opposite The Crescent.

I can't remember the name of the Dr. who did the referrals. I think maybe Turnbull?

The Providence Project, treated people from all over the Country, but majority were local with the next biggest group being London.
The irony. This is the very surgery that was famous for referrals to 'The Providence Project', one of the 1st drug treatment centres in Boscombe , which was originally on the corner of St Johns Rd, opposite The Crescent. I can't remember the name of the Dr. who did the referrals. I think maybe Turnbull? The Providence Project, treated people from all over the Country, but majority were local with the next biggest group being London. stevobath
  • Score: 7

1:10pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes says...

Dibbles2 wrote:
michael mead wrote:
The providence project has being doing exactly what you are moaning about. That project has been shipping in drug addcted prolific offenders for many years from all over the country for the rehab that your boss is part of.
Dr turnball has made a lot of money out of this and may be you should sort out your own ethics, in how your company is involved with profiting out of the thing your moaning about.
Absolutely right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!! Including our most famous resident in rehab whose Dr Turnbulls surgery wall sports his old football shirt (confidentiality?)

All I can say is these people knew about this years ago and now that funding is being cut they have decided to speak out.

Drug rehab hostels and services are the most inbred service in Bournemouth with relatives working together. They are corrupt in that stats are fiddled to make things look good. EG if someone had used they would be put down as a successful discharge as that person had chosen to use! If the echo had picked up on some of these comments in the past they might have had a fine story to report!

These services do not want people to succeed as lets be honest if everyone got better where would they be! One of the most corrupt things about the hostels is the extortionate rent and service charges they charge which are picked up by housing benefit. A church organisation being one of the worst! All of them are also guilty of kicking someone out on the street one day and having a new resident in that bed by the end of the day and getting two lots of housing benefit for the same bed! That money pays for dirty bed linen, beds I would let a dog sleep in and unusable cooking utensils and pans. Nowhere to store fresh or frozen food safely.The list could go on!

As for Christopher Wakefield...........

............if you had been providing a decent service to your residents properly this is easy to identify. You should have known this!
Good point, if these rehabs haven't helped Gazza one iota then what hope do we have in successful outcomes for these street level low lifes.

As for the pedophiles and sexual predators, name and shame them! We as a community need to know who they are so we can avoid them at all costs!!
[quote][p][bold]Dibbles2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]michael mead[/bold] wrote: The providence project has being doing exactly what you are moaning about. That project has been shipping in drug addcted prolific offenders for many years from all over the country for the rehab that your boss is part of. Dr turnball has made a lot of money out of this and may be you should sort out your own ethics, in how your company is involved with profiting out of the thing your moaning about.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! Including our most famous resident in rehab whose Dr Turnbulls surgery wall sports his old football shirt (confidentiality?) All I can say is these people knew about this years ago and now that funding is being cut they have decided to speak out. Drug rehab hostels and services are the most inbred service in Bournemouth with relatives working together. They are corrupt in that stats are fiddled to make things look good. EG if someone had used they would be put down as a successful discharge as that person had chosen to use! If the echo had picked up on some of these comments in the past they might have had a fine story to report! These services do not want people to succeed as lets be honest if everyone got better where would they be! One of the most corrupt things about the hostels is the extortionate rent and service charges they charge which are picked up by housing benefit. A church organisation being one of the worst! All of them are also guilty of kicking someone out on the street one day and having a new resident in that bed by the end of the day and getting two lots of housing benefit for the same bed! That money pays for dirty bed linen, beds I would let a dog sleep in and unusable cooking utensils and pans. Nowhere to store fresh or frozen food safely.The list could go on! As for Christopher Wakefield........... ............if you had been providing a decent service to your residents properly this is easy to identify. You should have known this![/p][/quote]Good point, if these rehabs haven't helped Gazza one iota then what hope do we have in successful outcomes for these street level low lifes. As for the pedophiles and sexual predators, name and shame them! We as a community need to know who they are so we can avoid them at all costs!! Bournesouthmouth Downpokes
  • Score: 5

1:22pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Bob49 says...

muscliffman wrote:
Thank you for confirming what many locals have long believed Doctor. Right minded Bournemouth residents who want the decent old Boscombe back should now follow the money and start asking a lot of extremely serious questions.

Including for instance;
Who benefits from these ex-prisoners and addicts coming to Boscombe? - because we can very safely bet some people are - big time!
Do the Council themselves receive any financial incentives from the Government for taking these ex-prisoners and addicts into this part of our town?
What political/business or even personal relationships exist between any individuals in positions of influence and the beneficiaries of this ex-prisoner and addict influx - and so who is really pulling the strings on Boscombe policy?

Identify those who are doing very nicely directly and indirectly from this very deliberate degradation of Boscombe and then Bournemouth's residents have a starting point from which to begin the real rather than pretend 'regeneration' recovery of this suburb. And that really would be "wonderful for Boscombe"!
And that is the core of the problem

As long as landlords can claim maximum housing benefit for (exceedingly) minimum housing then this problem will not only continue, but steadily grow.

Is it that the council HB are in a'cosy relationship' with various landlords, are some councillors and council staff owners or directly connected to the owners of these flats or is it just that since Mouchel took over the checks have become less frequent ?

The first two of the above I leave to others to decide. The last one has an element of truth in it, though it is merely excacerbating a problem that existed before they took over. Until we have a system of vigorous and diligent checks taxpayers money will continue to be paid, for very substandard housing.

If this was a taxi service paid for by the council then there would be uproar if taxis were being paid for that were never cleaned or repaired, were not only poorly maintained (if at all) but were charging the council the 'night rate' ie the highest charge possible.

Sadly little will be done. We have a clouncillor claiming that he didn't know this level of addicts was in his consticuency ! Why not ? And we have a populace who will still be swayed by the idiot and meaningless photo oportunities that tell us Boscombe is the new Sandbanks and is benefitting from the much vaunted 'regeneration'.

Wwhereas the only thing that is being regenerated is the landlords pockets.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Thank you for confirming what many locals have long believed Doctor. Right minded Bournemouth residents who want the decent old Boscombe back should now follow the money and start asking a lot of extremely serious questions. Including for instance; Who benefits from these ex-prisoners and addicts coming to Boscombe? - because we can very safely bet some people are - big time! Do the Council themselves receive any financial incentives from the Government for taking these ex-prisoners and addicts into this part of our town? What political/business or even personal relationships exist between any individuals in positions of influence and the beneficiaries of this ex-prisoner and addict influx - and so who is really pulling the strings on Boscombe policy? Identify those who are doing very nicely directly and indirectly from this very deliberate degradation of Boscombe and then Bournemouth's residents have a starting point from which to begin the real rather than pretend 'regeneration' recovery of this suburb. And that really would be "wonderful for Boscombe"![/p][/quote]And that is the core of the problem As long as landlords can claim maximum housing benefit for (exceedingly) minimum housing then this problem will not only continue, but steadily grow. Is it that the council HB are in a'cosy relationship' with various landlords, are some councillors and council staff owners or directly connected to the owners of these flats or is it just that since Mouchel took over the checks have become less frequent ? The first two of the above I leave to others to decide. The last one has an element of truth in it, though it is merely excacerbating a problem that existed before they took over. Until we have a system of vigorous and diligent checks taxpayers money will continue to be paid, for very substandard housing. If this was a taxi service paid for by the council then there would be uproar if taxis were being paid for that were never cleaned or repaired, were not only poorly maintained (if at all) but were charging the council the 'night rate' ie the highest charge possible. Sadly little will be done. We have a clouncillor claiming that he didn't know this level of addicts was in his consticuency ! Why not ? And we have a populace who will still be swayed by the idiot and meaningless photo oportunities that tell us Boscombe is the new Sandbanks and is benefitting from the much vaunted 'regeneration'. Wwhereas the only thing that is being regenerated is the landlords pockets. Bob49
  • Score: 9

1:58pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Sir Cliff West says...

djd wrote:
michael mead wrote:
The providence project has being doing exactly what you are moaning about. That project has been shipping in drug addcted prolific offenders for many years from all over the country for the rehab that your boss is part of.
Dr turnball has made a lot of money out of this and may be you should sort out your own ethics, in how your company is involved with profiting out of the thing your moaning about.
As far as I am aware the Providence Project and the Providence Surgery are separate entities.
One is in Christchurch Road, the other is in Walpole Road.
The surgery is in walpole rd, the project in in carysfort rd. About 100 yards apart.
[quote][p][bold]djd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]michael mead[/bold] wrote: The providence project has being doing exactly what you are moaning about. That project has been shipping in drug addcted prolific offenders for many years from all over the country for the rehab that your boss is part of. Dr turnball has made a lot of money out of this and may be you should sort out your own ethics, in how your company is involved with profiting out of the thing your moaning about.[/p][/quote]As far as I am aware the Providence Project and the Providence Surgery are separate entities. One is in Christchurch Road, the other is in Walpole Road.[/p][/quote]The surgery is in walpole rd, the project in in carysfort rd. About 100 yards apart. Sir Cliff West
  • Score: 3

2:02pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Sir Cliff West says...

bobthedestroyer wrote:
The Doctor will now be forced to resign
I hope not, but docs getting political can end up before the GMC.
They can then vanish on what is known as 'gardening leave'

I'm sure he knows the risks of speaking out, good on him. This country needs more whistleblowers prepared to stand up
[quote][p][bold]bobthedestroyer[/bold] wrote: The Doctor will now be forced to resign[/p][/quote]I hope not, but docs getting political can end up before the GMC. They can then vanish on what is known as 'gardening leave' I'm sure he knows the risks of speaking out, good on him. This country needs more whistleblowers prepared to stand up Sir Cliff West
  • Score: 9

2:51pm Wed 30 Jul 14

bobthedestroyer says...

Sir Cliff West wrote:
bobthedestroyer wrote:
The Doctor will now be forced to resign
I hope not, but docs getting political can end up before the GMC.
They can then vanish on what is known as 'gardening leave'

I'm sure he knows the risks of speaking out, good on him. This country needs more whistleblowers prepared to stand up
Whistleblowers in the NHS generally end up on "garending leave". I don't see this as apolitical statement but I'm sure the powers that be will twist it that way to get him in trouble.

No one wants to hear the truth anymore and if you do say something negative against anything you are a naysayer (not sure on spelling) or anti-{fill in the blank}
[quote][p][bold]Sir Cliff West[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobthedestroyer[/bold] wrote: The Doctor will now be forced to resign[/p][/quote]I hope not, but docs getting political can end up before the GMC. They can then vanish on what is known as 'gardening leave' I'm sure he knows the risks of speaking out, good on him. This country needs more whistleblowers prepared to stand up[/p][/quote]Whistleblowers in the NHS generally end up on "garending leave". I don't see this as apolitical statement but I'm sure the powers that be will twist it that way to get him in trouble. No one wants to hear the truth anymore and if you do say something negative against anything you are a naysayer (not sure on spelling) or anti-{fill in the blank} bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 3

4:08pm Wed 30 Jul 14

jinglebell says...

This has been a well known problem for decades yet Cllr. Wakefield would have us believe that Boscombe is being regenerated. If there was any serious interest in regeneration, then Councillor Wakefield, the Probation Services and the Police would know what UK legislation allows, yet they are at odds with each other in their statements to the Echo.
Cllr. Wakefield states that he has been assured the only ex-con's in treatment locally were previously local residents and his view is reiterated by the Probation services, yet the Police Commissioner states that prisons can relocate prisoners anywhere and apparently our local MP Tobias Ellwood is lobbying government for more control. So if all these people were really working together - as they profess to toward regeneration - they would all be saying the same thing ....they are not.
It beggars belief too that the Probation Services state they don't have any statistics on the number of offenders in rehab in Boscombe; this is a disingenuous statement as they have a legal duty to know where ex-offenders reside.
Meanwhile, in the Echo's hard copy of the article we see this story is juxtaposed with stories of how marvellous it is to live in Boscombe - with a photo of a team from Urban Reef grinning excitably. It should be noted that Urban Reef is owned by Mark Cribb, who is on the Council's Regeneration team; such an overt attempt like this to change the impact of a serious story is worthy of The Fast Show
This has been a well known problem for decades yet Cllr. Wakefield would have us believe that Boscombe is being regenerated. If there was any serious interest in regeneration, then Councillor Wakefield, the Probation Services and the Police would know what UK legislation allows, yet they are at odds with each other in their statements to the Echo. Cllr. Wakefield states that he has been assured the only ex-con's in treatment locally were previously local residents and his view is reiterated by the Probation services, yet the Police Commissioner states that prisons can relocate prisoners anywhere and apparently our local MP Tobias Ellwood is lobbying government for more control. So if all these people were really working together - as they profess to toward regeneration - they would all be saying the same thing ....they are not. It beggars belief too that the Probation Services state they don't have any statistics on the number of offenders in rehab in Boscombe; this is a disingenuous statement as they have a legal duty to know where ex-offenders reside. Meanwhile, in the Echo's hard copy of the article we see this story is juxtaposed with stories of how marvellous it is to live in Boscombe - with a photo of a team from Urban Reef grinning excitably. It should be noted that Urban Reef is owned by Mark Cribb, who is on the Council's Regeneration team; such an overt attempt like this to change the impact of a serious story is worthy of The Fast Show jinglebell
  • Score: 9

4:23pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Minty Fresh says...

Are the druggies one of the ten reasons to love Boscombe?
Are the druggies one of the ten reasons to love Boscombe? Minty Fresh
  • Score: 1

4:47pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Blossom8 says...

Wackerone wrote:
Lord Parkstone wrote:
Was the same in Blandford a few years ago. These germs are attracted to each other.
You try getting a same day appointment at the Dr. Unless you are a dirty smack rat you got no choice. People say drug addiction is a illness. Its not. Its a choice thats made. Cancer is an illness and nobody chooses to have that.
Stop pandering to these waste of space low life scumbags.keep them locked up and stop inflicting them on society.
Round the lot up, put them on an island similar to Devils Island and let them all rot away till they die.
But they won't rot they will actually be clean and off drugs maybe this is the answer !
[quote][p][bold]Wackerone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Parkstone[/bold] wrote: Was the same in Blandford a few years ago. These germs are attracted to each other. You try getting a same day appointment at the Dr. Unless you are a dirty smack rat you got no choice. People say drug addiction is a illness. Its not. Its a choice thats made. Cancer is an illness and nobody chooses to have that. Stop pandering to these waste of space low life scumbags.keep them locked up and stop inflicting them on society.[/p][/quote]Round the lot up, put them on an island similar to Devils Island and let them all rot away till they die.[/p][/quote]But they won't rot they will actually be clean and off drugs maybe this is the answer ! Blossom8
  • Score: 3

5:27pm Wed 30 Jul 14

oversee says...

Best place for them.....it's a carsie anyway.
Best place for them.....it's a carsie anyway. oversee
  • Score: -1

5:29pm Wed 30 Jul 14

SeafaringMan says...

My sister, her husband and their kids had some lovely holidays in Boscombe - mind you that was thirty-five years ago!
My sister, her husband and their kids had some lovely holidays in Boscombe - mind you that was thirty-five years ago! SeafaringMan
  • Score: 3

5:32pm Wed 30 Jul 14

rebelred says...

I love bournemouth wrote:
I am a patient of dr ni'man's practice and fully back his concerns .I have been with the practice for 32 years including dr Stevenson who was first there .sometimes when waiting to be seen nearay 90% of the waiting room is filled with others talking about there rehab ; drugs prison and the like.I really feel for the staff at the practice as they do an amazing job despite the pressure they are under.thanks for all you do dr n and team you do an amazing job
What about those that English is not their first language. When I have sat in the waiting room it is one or the other. Speaking English and not being on a drug rehab programme seems rare. I feel sorry for those walking through to the dentist. Was one time stuck in the waiting room whilst two middle age women who looked rather the worse for wear had a fight outside. This was 10 am in the morning. Final straw I changed GP. Am now surrounded by elderly patients. Feel young
[quote][p][bold]I love bournemouth[/bold] wrote: I am a patient of dr ni'man's practice and fully back his concerns .I have been with the practice for 32 years including dr Stevenson who was first there .sometimes when waiting to be seen nearay 90% of the waiting room is filled with others talking about there rehab ; drugs prison and the like.I really feel for the staff at the practice as they do an amazing job despite the pressure they are under.thanks for all you do dr n and team you do an amazing job[/p][/quote]What about those that English is not their first language. When I have sat in the waiting room it is one or the other. Speaking English and not being on a drug rehab programme seems rare. I feel sorry for those walking through to the dentist. Was one time stuck in the waiting room whilst two middle age women who looked rather the worse for wear had a fight outside. This was 10 am in the morning. Final straw I changed GP. Am now surrounded by elderly patients. Feel young rebelred
  • Score: 3

5:32pm Wed 30 Jul 14

brungo says...

there is an expression.......'bu
ild it and they will come',,,,,,,,,& that incudes re-hab centres, homeless shelters etc!
there is an expression.......'bu ild it and they will come',,,,,,,,,& that incudes re-hab centres, homeless shelters etc! brungo
  • Score: 6

5:42pm Wed 30 Jul 14

O'Reilly says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
So who is telling the truth ,the Doctor or the police commissioner?
No contest.....
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: So who is telling the truth ,the Doctor or the police commissioner?[/p][/quote]No contest..... O'Reilly
  • Score: 3

5:47pm Wed 30 Jul 14

O'Reilly says...

cromwell9 wrote:
All drug offenders etc ,should be sent back to the area they were born for treatment .
DONT dump them on us in Bournemouth.You would not take your rubbish and DUMP it in your next door neighbours garden .
This has to stop .The whole area is being ruined by drugs,etc,
This is a seaside town ,for familys.
SORT out your own problems,We dont nead it thankyou,
You are not even allowed to dump rubbish at Millhams Tip unless you are a local Council Tax payer and can produce proof .....ditto Christchurch, Poole.....
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: All drug offenders etc ,should be sent back to the area they were born for treatment . DONT dump them on us in Bournemouth.You would not take your rubbish and DUMP it in your next door neighbours garden . This has to stop .The whole area is being ruined by drugs,etc, This is a seaside town ,for familys. SORT out your own problems,We dont nead it thankyou,[/p][/quote]You are not even allowed to dump rubbish at Millhams Tip unless you are a local Council Tax payer and can produce proof .....ditto Christchurch, Poole..... O'Reilly
  • Score: 1

5:52pm Wed 30 Jul 14

O'Reilly says...

Abkhazsoyuz wrote:
You all need Jesus.
Never tried it...does Mr Nice sell it?
[quote][p][bold]Abkhazsoyuz[/bold] wrote: You all need Jesus.[/p][/quote]Never tried it...does Mr Nice sell it? O'Reilly
  • Score: -7

6:06pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Bob49 says...

"Meanwhile, in the Echo's hard copy of the article we see this story is juxtaposed with stories of how marvellous it is to live in Boscombe - with a photo of a team from Urban Reef grinning excitably. It should be noted that Urban Reef is owned by Mark Cribb, who is on the Council's Regeneration team; such an overt attempt like this to change the impact of a serious story is worthy of The Fast Show"


Perhaps the Daily Echo might care to ask how many 'stays' have the council booked at urban reef hotel in the past few years - and why ?

Why did the supposed up market cafes and shops not appear at the top of the pier as we were told ?

Or why at enormous expense are the lights left blazing on through the night at the surf pod building hwen everybody has to be out at midnight - and more so during the winter when even the cafe below is closed ?

Some of the comments above a beginning to lift the lid on what the real cause is at Bournemouth, away from the absurd photo opportunties where money has been wasted on worthless starburst initiatives.

Nothing will be done until there's at least a grasp of what the cause is and who is lining their pockets at taxpayers expense initiatives
"Meanwhile, in the Echo's hard copy of the article we see this story is juxtaposed with stories of how marvellous it is to live in Boscombe - with a photo of a team from Urban Reef grinning excitably. It should be noted that Urban Reef is owned by Mark Cribb, who is on the Council's Regeneration team; such an overt attempt like this to change the impact of a serious story is worthy of The Fast Show" Perhaps the Daily Echo might care to ask how many 'stays' have the council booked at urban reef hotel in the past few years - and why ? Why did the supposed up market cafes and shops not appear at the top of the pier as we were told ? Or why at enormous expense are the lights left blazing on through the night at the surf pod building hwen everybody has to be out at midnight - and more so during the winter when even the cafe below is closed ? Some of the comments above a beginning to lift the lid on what the real cause is at Bournemouth, away from the absurd photo opportunties where money has been wasted on worthless starburst initiatives. Nothing will be done until there's at least a grasp of what the cause is and who is lining their pockets at taxpayers expense initiatives Bob49
  • Score: 9

6:27pm Wed 30 Jul 14

breamoreboy says...

Lord Parkstone wrote:
Was the same in Blandford a few years ago. These germs are attracted to each other.
You try getting a same day appointment at the Dr. Unless you are a dirty smack rat you got no choice. People say drug addiction is a illness. Its not. Its a choice thats made. Cancer is an illness and nobody chooses to have that.
Stop pandering to these waste of space low life scumbags.keep them locked up and stop inflicting them on society.
The vast majority of modern research suggests addiction is an illness.
You might as well tell somebody suffering from Clinical Depression or Obsessive Compulsion Disorder that it's a choice. It's not. Locking up the addicts at £200/day/prisoner makes no sense, they aren't the problem, it's the dealers who need locking up. We should start with those peddling the most dangerous of drugs, alcohol, as it's cheap, legal and easily available. That of course will never happen as the profit made by the government in taxes far outweighs the amount the NHS shells out every year in dealing with drunks.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Parkstone[/bold] wrote: Was the same in Blandford a few years ago. These germs are attracted to each other. You try getting a same day appointment at the Dr. Unless you are a dirty smack rat you got no choice. People say drug addiction is a illness. Its not. Its a choice thats made. Cancer is an illness and nobody chooses to have that. Stop pandering to these waste of space low life scumbags.keep them locked up and stop inflicting them on society.[/p][/quote]The vast majority of modern research suggests addiction is an illness. You might as well tell somebody suffering from Clinical Depression or Obsessive Compulsion Disorder that it's a choice. It's not. Locking up the addicts at £200/day/prisoner makes no sense, they aren't the problem, it's the dealers who need locking up. We should start with those peddling the most dangerous of drugs, alcohol, as it's cheap, legal and easily available. That of course will never happen as the profit made by the government in taxes far outweighs the amount the NHS shells out every year in dealing with drunks. breamoreboy
  • Score: -2

6:33pm Wed 30 Jul 14

breamoreboy says...

Wackerone wrote:
Lord Parkstone wrote:
Was the same in Blandford a few years ago. These germs are attracted to each other.
You try getting a same day appointment at the Dr. Unless you are a dirty smack rat you got no choice. People say drug addiction is a illness. Its not. Its a choice thats made. Cancer is an illness and nobody chooses to have that.
Stop pandering to these waste of space low life scumbags.keep them locked up and stop inflicting them on society.
Round the lot up, put them on an island similar to Devils Island and let them all rot away till they die.
Does that include potentially any of your family, friends, work mates or the like, or is there some kind of special exemption for them?
[quote][p][bold]Wackerone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Parkstone[/bold] wrote: Was the same in Blandford a few years ago. These germs are attracted to each other. You try getting a same day appointment at the Dr. Unless you are a dirty smack rat you got no choice. People say drug addiction is a illness. Its not. Its a choice thats made. Cancer is an illness and nobody chooses to have that. Stop pandering to these waste of space low life scumbags.keep them locked up and stop inflicting them on society.[/p][/quote]Round the lot up, put them on an island similar to Devils Island and let them all rot away till they die.[/p][/quote]Does that include potentially any of your family, friends, work mates or the like, or is there some kind of special exemption for them? breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

6:42pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Loyal2AFCB says...

There needs to be a debate about the huge wave of migration in general from London to this part of the country. It is altering the character of our towns and putting house prices way beyond the reach of local people,
There needs to be a debate about the huge wave of migration in general from London to this part of the country. It is altering the character of our towns and putting house prices way beyond the reach of local people, Loyal2AFCB
  • Score: 5

7:33pm Wed 30 Jul 14

bbird says...

STOP THE INFLUX NOW. What the hell's the point in upgrading the town? The centre is full of down & outs who stink of urine, beg, sleep in doorways (usually with a poor dog who would be better of going for a walk). A friend was over from Spain last week and was horrified by the seedy side of the town (and spent half an hour commenting on the litter on the beach). We have what could be a wonderful town (including Boscombe), unnecessarily ruined!
STOP THE INFLUX NOW. What the hell's the point in upgrading the town? The centre is full of down & outs who stink of urine, beg, sleep in doorways (usually with a poor dog who would be better of going for a walk). A friend was over from Spain last week and was horrified by the seedy side of the town (and spent half an hour commenting on the litter on the beach). We have what could be a wonderful town (including Boscombe), unnecessarily ruined! bbird
  • Score: 8

7:49pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Very Old Pensioner says...

When the surgery in Adeline Road moved to Shelley Manor it was too far to go for their drug prescriptions so they arrived at Walpole Road which is more in their orbit,bedsit,bars &dealers.I am a patient of the Provident Surgery & my admiration knows no end for the wonderful front line staff who listen to the verbal abuse from the addicts if their prescription is not ready for them.Thank you Doctor for saying what many of us Boscombe residents have been saying for years.
When the surgery in Adeline Road moved to Shelley Manor it was too far to go for their drug prescriptions so they arrived at Walpole Road which is more in their orbit,bedsit,bars &dealers.I am a patient of the Provident Surgery & my admiration knows no end for the wonderful front line staff who listen to the verbal abuse from the addicts if their prescription is not ready for them.Thank you Doctor for saying what many of us Boscombe residents have been saying for years. Very Old Pensioner
  • Score: 17

8:39pm Wed 30 Jul 14

rebelred says...

Sir Cliff Topp wrote:
rebelred says...
Was one time stuck in the waiting room whilst two middle age women who looked rather the worse for wear had a fight outside. This was 10 am in the morning.

....

10am is in the morning. There is no 10am in the evening so all you needed to type was either....

1. The fight was at 10am

2. The fight was at 10 O'Clock in the morning.

Not both.
Sorry. Perhaps I should have read what I wrote before posting but you know what I meant
[quote][p][bold]Sir Cliff Topp[/bold] wrote: rebelred says... Was one time stuck in the waiting room whilst two middle age women who looked rather the worse for wear had a fight outside. This was 10 am in the morning. .... 10am is in the morning. There is no 10am in the evening so all you needed to type was either.... 1. The fight was at 10am 2. The fight was at 10 O'Clock in the morning. Not both.[/p][/quote]Sorry. Perhaps I should have read what I wrote before posting but you know what I meant rebelred
  • Score: 4

10:08pm Wed 30 Jul 14

cheeriedriteup says...

BIGTONE wrote:
It says it all when Jeremy Kyle recently said to a Heroin addict....."the show will help you and send you to Bournemouth for treatment"

Great National advert eh?
Boscombes addict patron is Paul Gascoigne , its hardly going to attract the good is it, the police commissioner is bet pals with Dave Wells properties .
it seems the councils has no power
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: It says it all when Jeremy Kyle recently said to a Heroin addict....."the show will help you and send you to Bournemouth for treatment" Great National advert eh?[/p][/quote]Boscombes addict patron is Paul Gascoigne , its hardly going to attract the good is it, the police commissioner is bet pals with Dave Wells properties . it seems the councils has no power cheeriedriteup
  • Score: 5

10:42pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Worker7 says...

He is the only doctor I believe here ..Forget what these reef developers and money wasters talk . Dr Niman is amazing . I sat in the waiting room and heard so much swearing and the dr had to calm the situation . All this took time and thanks he sorted out fully what was a difficult problem. If I won the lottery he would get a big share . I am shocked so much is paid to so many others and the doctor does the work. Surely he can manage the area better as nothing useful of such substance gets done. He has transformed those wrecks into modern surgeries with SCANNERS and a wonderful team ?with the church around the corner we have hope..
He is the only doctor I believe here ..Forget what these reef developers and money wasters talk . Dr Niman is amazing . I sat in the waiting room and heard so much swearing and the dr had to calm the situation . All this took time and thanks he sorted out fully what was a difficult problem. If I won the lottery he would get a big share . I am shocked so much is paid to so many others and the doctor does the work. Surely he can manage the area better as nothing useful of such substance gets done. He has transformed those wrecks into modern surgeries with SCANNERS and a wonderful team ?with the church around the corner we have hope.. Worker7
  • Score: 7

11:00pm Wed 30 Jul 14

cheeriedriteup says...

bbird wrote:
STOP THE INFLUX NOW. What the hell's the point in upgrading the town? The centre is full of down & outs who stink of urine, beg, sleep in doorways (usually with a poor dog who would be better of going for a walk). A friend was over from Spain last week and was horrified by the seedy side of the town (and spent half an hour commenting on the litter on the beach). We have what could be a wonderful town (including Boscombe), unnecessarily ruined!
your post was going well until you said a Spanish person commented on waste on the beach, I have to say Spain cannot complain about rubbish on the street or graffiti
[quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: STOP THE INFLUX NOW. What the hell's the point in upgrading the town? The centre is full of down & outs who stink of urine, beg, sleep in doorways (usually with a poor dog who would be better of going for a walk). A friend was over from Spain last week and was horrified by the seedy side of the town (and spent half an hour commenting on the litter on the beach). We have what could be a wonderful town (including Boscombe), unnecessarily ruined![/p][/quote]your post was going well until you said a Spanish person commented on waste on the beach, I have to say Spain cannot complain about rubbish on the street or graffiti cheeriedriteup
  • Score: 1

11:40pm Wed 30 Jul 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

Moro99 wrote:
They get sent here into unregistered supported housing and slum bedsits. The only way to deal with this is to crack down on poor housing
Only the HMOs.
[quote][p][bold]Moro99[/bold] wrote: They get sent here into unregistered supported housing and slum bedsits. The only way to deal with this is to crack down on poor housing[/p][/quote]Only the HMOs. HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 0

11:44pm Wed 30 Jul 14

bobthedestroyer says...

beachcomber1 wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
Cllrs Kelly, Beelsey & Co are in complete denial about the scale of the problems facing Boscombe and its impact on the wider Bournemouth area. They are simply out of their depth and desperate that the true scale of the problems facing the town are kept under wraps– they must be made to face up to the problems and tackle them head on.
.
Well today the truth has been laid bare – As many of us has suspected for years Boscombe has become a dumping ground and I suspect that the growth in the number of homeless people in Bournemouth can be traced back to the rehab centres in Boscombe.
.
It won’t be until Boscombe has a stable resident population and is no longer used as a dumping ground that any attempts to regenerate the area will stand any chance of succeeding.
the magnitude and complexity of the situation does make you wonder if local councillors have sufficient experience, training and gravitas to do anything about it.
As with many serious issues facing the town the Cllrs are led by the officers. The officers are in theory trained in these areas, the Cllrs are not (some probably are)
[quote][p][bold]beachcomber1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: Cllrs Kelly, Beelsey & Co are in complete denial about the scale of the problems facing Boscombe and its impact on the wider Bournemouth area. They are simply out of their depth and desperate that the true scale of the problems facing the town are kept under wraps– they must be made to face up to the problems and tackle them head on. . Well today the truth has been laid bare – As many of us has suspected for years Boscombe has become a dumping ground and I suspect that the growth in the number of homeless people in Bournemouth can be traced back to the rehab centres in Boscombe. . It won’t be until Boscombe has a stable resident population and is no longer used as a dumping ground that any attempts to regenerate the area will stand any chance of succeeding.[/p][/quote]the magnitude and complexity of the situation does make you wonder if local councillors have sufficient experience, training and gravitas to do anything about it.[/p][/quote]As with many serious issues facing the town the Cllrs are led by the officers. The officers are in theory trained in these areas, the Cllrs are not (some probably are) bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 0

12:08am Thu 31 Jul 14

GeorgeW64 says...

I hope Dr Ni'Man point blank refuses to take these drunks and druggies, It's high time Bournemouth council grew a pair and closed down these so called hostels, Why don't they send them to inland towns and cities, They are unwelcome in any borough of Bournemouth. We have had enough. Leave Bournemouth for the locals and people who come here for a holiday.
I hope Dr Ni'Man point blank refuses to take these drunks and druggies, It's high time Bournemouth council grew a pair and closed down these so called hostels, Why don't they send them to inland towns and cities, They are unwelcome in any borough of Bournemouth. We have had enough. Leave Bournemouth for the locals and people who come here for a holiday. GeorgeW64
  • Score: -1

1:26am Thu 31 Jul 14

Redgolfer says...

cheeriedriteup wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
It says it all when Jeremy Kyle recently said to a Heroin addict....."the show will help you and send you to Bournemouth for treatment"

Great National advert eh?
Boscombes addict patron is Paul Gascoigne , its hardly going to attract the good is it, the police commissioner is bet pals with Dave Wells properties .
it seems the councils has no power
Why bring Gazza into the equation, he is well out of Boscombe and has been for some time, last time I saw him during the World Cup, he was looking great, sober, polite and hopefully going to stay that way, leave the guy alone !!!
[quote][p][bold]cheeriedriteup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: It says it all when Jeremy Kyle recently said to a Heroin addict....."the show will help you and send you to Bournemouth for treatment" Great National advert eh?[/p][/quote]Boscombes addict patron is Paul Gascoigne , its hardly going to attract the good is it, the police commissioner is bet pals with Dave Wells properties . it seems the councils has no power[/p][/quote]Why bring Gazza into the equation, he is well out of Boscombe and has been for some time, last time I saw him during the World Cup, he was looking great, sober, polite and hopefully going to stay that way, leave the guy alone !!! Redgolfer
  • Score: 2

5:46am Thu 31 Jul 14

Worker7 says...

I have read all the comments and feel we need to challenge the lads who take all the spare cash we pay for these guys swamping the poor doctors. I suggest an action group to support R Ni ' man. The police get a sum to support. Re offenders. Which. Run into 10000s Jobs for mates.

The only doctor to speak out. On this mess .Lifes of decent people are ruined and young families from Europe must think all of bournemouth is like Boscombe. The money wasted on such projects as the reef and. Other rubbish improvements must get given to contractors who are mates of these. Politicos and we get nothing . This doctors is amazing to speak out .i will ask my family to join them
I have read all the comments and feel we need to challenge the lads who take all the spare cash we pay for these guys swamping the poor doctors. I suggest an action group to support R Ni ' man. The police get a sum to support. Re offenders. Which. Run into 10000s Jobs for mates. The only doctor to speak out. On this mess .Lifes of decent people are ruined and young families from Europe must think all of bournemouth is like Boscombe. The money wasted on such projects as the reef and. Other rubbish improvements must get given to contractors who are mates of these. Politicos and we get nothing . This doctors is amazing to speak out .i will ask my family to join them Worker7
  • Score: 2

5:51am Thu 31 Jul 14

Worker7 says...

muscliffman wrote:
Thank you for confirming what many locals have long believed Doctor. Right minded Bournemouth residents who want the decent old Boscombe back should now follow the money and start asking a lot of extremely serious questions.

Including for instance;
Who benefits from these ex-prisoners and addicts coming to Boscombe? - because we can very safely bet some people are - big time!
Do the Council themselves receive any financial incentives from the Government for taking these ex-prisoners and addicts into this part of our town?
What political/business or even personal relationships exist between any individuals in positions of influence and the beneficiaries of this ex-prisoner and addict influx - and so who is really pulling the strings on Boscombe policy?

Identify those who are doing very nicely directly and indirectly from this very deliberate degradation of Boscombe and then Bournemouth's residents have a starting point from which to begin the real rather than pretend 'regeneration' recovery of this suburb. And that really would be "wonderful for Boscombe"!
Of course it is the money,, never mind hard working cleaners and doctors, these council guys have property and mates . We have no chance
It is a fix rich get richer.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Thank you for confirming what many locals have long believed Doctor. Right minded Bournemouth residents who want the decent old Boscombe back should now follow the money and start asking a lot of extremely serious questions. Including for instance; Who benefits from these ex-prisoners and addicts coming to Boscombe? - because we can very safely bet some people are - big time! Do the Council themselves receive any financial incentives from the Government for taking these ex-prisoners and addicts into this part of our town? What political/business or even personal relationships exist between any individuals in positions of influence and the beneficiaries of this ex-prisoner and addict influx - and so who is really pulling the strings on Boscombe policy? Identify those who are doing very nicely directly and indirectly from this very deliberate degradation of Boscombe and then Bournemouth's residents have a starting point from which to begin the real rather than pretend 'regeneration' recovery of this suburb. And that really would be "wonderful for Boscombe"![/p][/quote]Of course it is the money,, never mind hard working cleaners and doctors, these council guys have property and mates . We have no chance It is a fix rich get richer. Worker7
  • Score: 2

8:21am Thu 31 Jul 14

kangaroo_joey says...

echoreader2701 wrote:
It is everyone's human right to be allowed to a see a doctor. Black, white, sick, healthy, addict, non addict. God forbid you are turned away because you have a socially unacceptable "illness". When it was frowned upon to be gay, should the Aids sufferers have been turned away from treatment? Ludicrous. Do addicts not get the flu? As for the National Probation Service, only those with a local connection to Bournemouth, i.e close family living in the area are accepted into the area. Those that are sent here from other areas are to protect their victims in their home areas or to prevent them from returning to their old circumstances that have been influential in their committing of crime. So if you are attacked and your attacker is returned to their address close to you and you have to see them every day, remember you said "send them all back where they came from" It's all relative. Fact is, no matter where people are from, there are drugs in this area. But denying them doctors and treatment is hardly helping them clean their act up is it?!
Are you that deluded, I worked with one of these druggies and guess what.... he was from Essex, no links to Bournemouth at all but had been sent here for the rehabs, so if you want to believe the police/coucillors spin then you can but most of us know the truth
[quote][p][bold]echoreader2701[/bold] wrote: It is everyone's human right to be allowed to a see a doctor. Black, white, sick, healthy, addict, non addict. God forbid you are turned away because you have a socially unacceptable "illness". When it was frowned upon to be gay, should the Aids sufferers have been turned away from treatment? Ludicrous. Do addicts not get the flu? As for the National Probation Service, only those with a local connection to Bournemouth, i.e close family living in the area are accepted into the area. Those that are sent here from other areas are to protect their victims in their home areas or to prevent them from returning to their old circumstances that have been influential in their committing of crime. So if you are attacked and your attacker is returned to their address close to you and you have to see them every day, remember you said "send them all back where they came from" It's all relative. Fact is, no matter where people are from, there are drugs in this area. But denying them doctors and treatment is hardly helping them clean their act up is it?![/p][/quote]Are you that deluded, I worked with one of these druggies and guess what.... he was from Essex, no links to Bournemouth at all but had been sent here for the rehabs, so if you want to believe the police/coucillors spin then you can but most of us know the truth kangaroo_joey
  • Score: 1

8:47am Thu 31 Jul 14

Azphreal says...

Who keeps giving permission for the rehabs to be opened?
Who keeps giving permission for the rehabs to be opened? Azphreal
  • Score: 1

10:23am Thu 31 Jul 14

jinglebell says...

Azphreal wrote:
Who keeps giving permission for the rehabs to be opened?
The rehabs DON'T need permission to open or stay open....I know this is so shocking, I couldn't get my head round it when I first heard it. Anyone and I mean anyone, can open a rehab - no qualifications, or registration required.
I was told there are only 2 proper rehabs in Boscombe which are registered and checked and staffed with people who do have qualifications., and those rehabs do a wonderful job. As for the rest, its a different story altogether.
All the rest (over 50) of the rehabs are in the abysmal situation where no one checks on them or needs to.
[quote][p][bold]Azphreal[/bold] wrote: Who keeps giving permission for the rehabs to be opened?[/p][/quote]The rehabs DON'T need permission to open or stay open....I know this is so shocking, I couldn't get my head round it when I first heard it. Anyone and I mean anyone, can open a rehab - no qualifications, or registration required. I was told there are only 2 proper rehabs in Boscombe which are registered and checked and staffed with people who do have qualifications., and those rehabs do a wonderful job. As for the rest, its a different story altogether. All the rest (over 50) of the rehabs are in the abysmal situation where no one checks on them or needs to. jinglebell
  • Score: 3

10:27am Thu 31 Jul 14

boscombe36 says...

Although Dr Ni-Man has a point; he is working right in the centre of where the majority of the 'problem residents' are living, so I am sure he sees a lot more drug users that other Doctor surgery’s in the area.
My family were past patients of Dr Ni-Man and we left due to his attitude towards my Husband and his mental health issues, which were NOT drug related. Don't trust the man personally.
Although Dr Ni-Man has a point; he is working right in the centre of where the majority of the 'problem residents' are living, so I am sure he sees a lot more drug users that other Doctor surgery’s in the area. My family were past patients of Dr Ni-Man and we left due to his attitude towards my Husband and his mental health issues, which were NOT drug related. Don't trust the man personally. boscombe36
  • Score: 1

12:38pm Thu 31 Jul 14

stevobath says...

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes wrote:
Dibbles2 wrote:
michael mead wrote:
The providence project has being doing exactly what you are moaning about. That project has been shipping in drug addcted prolific offenders for many years from all over the country for the rehab that your boss is part of.
Dr turnball has made a lot of money out of this and may be you should sort out your own ethics, in how your company is involved with profiting out of the thing your moaning about.
Absolutely right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!! Including our most famous resident in rehab whose Dr Turnbulls surgery wall sports his old football shirt (confidentiality?)

All I can say is these people knew about this years ago and now that funding is being cut they have decided to speak out.

Drug rehab hostels and services are the most inbred service in Bournemouth with relatives working together. They are corrupt in that stats are fiddled to make things look good. EG if someone had used they would be put down as a successful discharge as that person had chosen to use! If the echo had picked up on some of these comments in the past they might have had a fine story to report!

These services do not want people to succeed as lets be honest if everyone got better where would they be! One of the most corrupt things about the hostels is the extortionate rent and service charges they charge which are picked up by housing benefit. A church organisation being one of the worst! All of them are also guilty of kicking someone out on the street one day and having a new resident in that bed by the end of the day and getting two lots of housing benefit for the same bed! That money pays for dirty bed linen, beds I would let a dog sleep in and unusable cooking utensils and pans. Nowhere to store fresh or frozen food safely.The list could go on!

As for Christopher Wakefield...........


............if you had been providing a decent service to your residents properly this is easy to identify. You should have known this!
Good point, if these rehabs haven't helped Gazza one iota then what hope do we have in successful outcomes for these street level low lifes.

As for the pedophiles and sexual predators, name and shame them! We as a community need to know who they are so we can avoid them at all costs!!
The Providence Project has a very high success rate.

Just because some don't benefit, doesn't mean the rehab isn't any good.

Why do you think certain rehab places are highly sought after? Because some are EXTREMELY successful.

Let's not forget, addiction/mental health treatment etc. is a multi billion pound industry, be it police overtime, rehabs , prescribing meds , hostels..the list goes on.

It's not just the dealers etc who make money from drugsetc. There are those making money LEGALLY indirectly through the 'problem'. The War On Drugs makes PLENTY of people very rich. That's why it's a self perpetuating FAILURE as it makes so much ££££££££££
££'s! for people.

I digress. Maybe this Dr. should have words with Dr. Turnbull, who's been directly linked to referrals to rehab for years, if he's not happy with all the druggies?
[quote][p][bold]Bournesouthmouth Downpokes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dibbles2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]michael mead[/bold] wrote: The providence project has being doing exactly what you are moaning about. That project has been shipping in drug addcted prolific offenders for many years from all over the country for the rehab that your boss is part of. Dr turnball has made a lot of money out of this and may be you should sort out your own ethics, in how your company is involved with profiting out of the thing your moaning about.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! Including our most famous resident in rehab whose Dr Turnbulls surgery wall sports his old football shirt (confidentiality?) All I can say is these people knew about this years ago and now that funding is being cut they have decided to speak out. Drug rehab hostels and services are the most inbred service in Bournemouth with relatives working together. They are corrupt in that stats are fiddled to make things look good. EG if someone had used they would be put down as a successful discharge as that person had chosen to use! If the echo had picked up on some of these comments in the past they might have had a fine story to report! These services do not want people to succeed as lets be honest if everyone got better where would they be! One of the most corrupt things about the hostels is the extortionate rent and service charges they charge which are picked up by housing benefit. A church organisation being one of the worst! All of them are also guilty of kicking someone out on the street one day and having a new resident in that bed by the end of the day and getting two lots of housing benefit for the same bed! That money pays for dirty bed linen, beds I would let a dog sleep in and unusable cooking utensils and pans. Nowhere to store fresh or frozen food safely.The list could go on! As for Christopher Wakefield........... ............if you had been providing a decent service to your residents properly this is easy to identify. You should have known this![/p][/quote]Good point, if these rehabs haven't helped Gazza one iota then what hope do we have in successful outcomes for these street level low lifes. As for the pedophiles and sexual predators, name and shame them! We as a community need to know who they are so we can avoid them at all costs!![/p][/quote]The Providence Project has a very high success rate. Just because some don't benefit, doesn't mean the rehab isn't any good. Why do you think certain rehab places are highly sought after? Because some are EXTREMELY successful. Let's not forget, addiction/mental health treatment etc. is a multi billion pound industry, be it police overtime, rehabs , prescribing meds , hostels..the list goes on. It's not just the dealers etc who make money from drugsetc. There are those making money LEGALLY indirectly through the 'problem'. The War On Drugs makes PLENTY of people very rich. That's why it's a self perpetuating FAILURE as it makes so much ££££££££££ ££'s! for people. I digress. Maybe this Dr. should have words with Dr. Turnbull, who's been directly linked to referrals to rehab for years, if he's not happy with all the druggies? stevobath
  • Score: -5

12:38pm Thu 31 Jul 14

stevobath says...

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes wrote:
Dibbles2 wrote:
michael mead wrote:
The providence project has being doing exactly what you are moaning about. That project has been shipping in drug addcted prolific offenders for many years from all over the country for the rehab that your boss is part of.
Dr turnball has made a lot of money out of this and may be you should sort out your own ethics, in how your company is involved with profiting out of the thing your moaning about.
Absolutely right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!! Including our most famous resident in rehab whose Dr Turnbulls surgery wall sports his old football shirt (confidentiality?)

All I can say is these people knew about this years ago and now that funding is being cut they have decided to speak out.

Drug rehab hostels and services are the most inbred service in Bournemouth with relatives working together. They are corrupt in that stats are fiddled to make things look good. EG if someone had used they would be put down as a successful discharge as that person had chosen to use! If the echo had picked up on some of these comments in the past they might have had a fine story to report!

These services do not want people to succeed as lets be honest if everyone got better where would they be! One of the most corrupt things about the hostels is the extortionate rent and service charges they charge which are picked up by housing benefit. A church organisation being one of the worst! All of them are also guilty of kicking someone out on the street one day and having a new resident in that bed by the end of the day and getting two lots of housing benefit for the same bed! That money pays for dirty bed linen, beds I would let a dog sleep in and unusable cooking utensils and pans. Nowhere to store fresh or frozen food safely.The list could go on!

As for Christopher Wakefield...........


............if you had been providing a decent service to your residents properly this is easy to identify. You should have known this!
Good point, if these rehabs haven't helped Gazza one iota then what hope do we have in successful outcomes for these street level low lifes.

As for the pedophiles and sexual predators, name and shame them! We as a community need to know who they are so we can avoid them at all costs!!
The Providence Project has a very high success rate.

Just because some don't benefit, doesn't mean the rehab isn't any good.

Why do you think certain rehab places are highly sought after? Because some are EXTREMELY successful.

Let's not forget, addiction/mental health treatment etc. is a multi billion pound industry, be it police overtime, rehabs , prescribing meds , hostels..the list goes on.

It's not just the dealers etc who make money from drugsetc. There are those making money LEGALLY indirectly through the 'problem'. The War On Drugs makes PLENTY of people very rich. That's why it's a self perpetuating FAILURE as it makes so much ££££££££££
££'s! for people.

I digress. Maybe this Dr. should have words with Dr. Turnbull, who's been directly linked to referrals to rehab for years, if he's not happy with all the druggies?
[quote][p][bold]Bournesouthmouth Downpokes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dibbles2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]michael mead[/bold] wrote: The providence project has being doing exactly what you are moaning about. That project has been shipping in drug addcted prolific offenders for many years from all over the country for the rehab that your boss is part of. Dr turnball has made a lot of money out of this and may be you should sort out your own ethics, in how your company is involved with profiting out of the thing your moaning about.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! Including our most famous resident in rehab whose Dr Turnbulls surgery wall sports his old football shirt (confidentiality?) All I can say is these people knew about this years ago and now that funding is being cut they have decided to speak out. Drug rehab hostels and services are the most inbred service in Bournemouth with relatives working together. They are corrupt in that stats are fiddled to make things look good. EG if someone had used they would be put down as a successful discharge as that person had chosen to use! If the echo had picked up on some of these comments in the past they might have had a fine story to report! These services do not want people to succeed as lets be honest if everyone got better where would they be! One of the most corrupt things about the hostels is the extortionate rent and service charges they charge which are picked up by housing benefit. A church organisation being one of the worst! All of them are also guilty of kicking someone out on the street one day and having a new resident in that bed by the end of the day and getting two lots of housing benefit for the same bed! That money pays for dirty bed linen, beds I would let a dog sleep in and unusable cooking utensils and pans. Nowhere to store fresh or frozen food safely.The list could go on! As for Christopher Wakefield........... ............if you had been providing a decent service to your residents properly this is easy to identify. You should have known this![/p][/quote]Good point, if these rehabs haven't helped Gazza one iota then what hope do we have in successful outcomes for these street level low lifes. As for the pedophiles and sexual predators, name and shame them! We as a community need to know who they are so we can avoid them at all costs!![/p][/quote]The Providence Project has a very high success rate. Just because some don't benefit, doesn't mean the rehab isn't any good. Why do you think certain rehab places are highly sought after? Because some are EXTREMELY successful. Let's not forget, addiction/mental health treatment etc. is a multi billion pound industry, be it police overtime, rehabs , prescribing meds , hostels..the list goes on. It's not just the dealers etc who make money from drugsetc. There are those making money LEGALLY indirectly through the 'problem'. The War On Drugs makes PLENTY of people very rich. That's why it's a self perpetuating FAILURE as it makes so much ££££££££££ ££'s! for people. I digress. Maybe this Dr. should have words with Dr. Turnbull, who's been directly linked to referrals to rehab for years, if he's not happy with all the druggies? stevobath
  • Score: -5

12:45pm Thu 31 Jul 14

stevobath says...

GeorgeW64 wrote:
I hope Dr Ni'Man point blank refuses to take these drunks and druggies, It's high time Bournemouth council grew a pair and closed down these so called hostels, Why don't they send them to inland towns and cities, They are unwelcome in any borough of Bournemouth. We have had enough. Leave Bournemouth for the locals and people who come here for a holiday.
'Why don't they send them to in land towns & cities?'

Typical Bournemouth resident. Think the towns got more rights than another?

I live 5 minutes fron the Royal Crescent, Bath, a Unesco World Heritage City. I also live 5 minutes from a rehab...get my point?
[quote][p][bold]GeorgeW64[/bold] wrote: I hope Dr Ni'Man point blank refuses to take these drunks and druggies, It's high time Bournemouth council grew a pair and closed down these so called hostels, Why don't they send them to inland towns and cities, They are unwelcome in any borough of Bournemouth. We have had enough. Leave Bournemouth for the locals and people who come here for a holiday.[/p][/quote]'Why don't they send them to in land towns & cities?' Typical Bournemouth resident. Think the towns got more rights than another? I live 5 minutes fron the Royal Crescent, Bath, a Unesco World Heritage City. I also live 5 minutes from a rehab...get my point? stevobath
  • Score: 2

1:21pm Thu 31 Jul 14

bbird says...

cheeriedriteup wrote:
bbird wrote:
STOP THE INFLUX NOW. What the hell's the point in upgrading the town? The centre is full of down & outs who stink of urine, beg, sleep in doorways (usually with a poor dog who would be better of going for a walk). A friend was over from Spain last week and was horrified by the seedy side of the town (and spent half an hour commenting on the litter on the beach). We have what could be a wonderful town (including Boscombe), unnecessarily ruined!
your post was going well until you said a Spanish person commented on waste on the beach, I have to say Spain cannot complain about rubbish on the street or graffiti
He's English, but that's beside the point.

So do we sink to other's low depths? To be honest the beaches I have been to in Spain and Italy) have been spotless. (Yes, some built up areas may not be).

It would cost us nothing presumably to fine the perpetrators for litter, speeding on bikes, having BBQs before time) as the fines would cover the salary for someone to patrol the beach. And if 'they have no money' take their mobile until they pay up

Also fine people playing loud ghetto blasters (usually walking along the promenade), and what about 'no alcohol on the beach ", and no footie during the day. etc etc

I am fed up with rowdy groups nearby, or footbally being kicked around, while I try and enjoy the beach!

Why no community officers on the beachfront?
[quote][p][bold]cheeriedriteup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: STOP THE INFLUX NOW. What the hell's the point in upgrading the town? The centre is full of down & outs who stink of urine, beg, sleep in doorways (usually with a poor dog who would be better of going for a walk). A friend was over from Spain last week and was horrified by the seedy side of the town (and spent half an hour commenting on the litter on the beach). We have what could be a wonderful town (including Boscombe), unnecessarily ruined![/p][/quote]your post was going well until you said a Spanish person commented on waste on the beach, I have to say Spain cannot complain about rubbish on the street or graffiti[/p][/quote]He's English, but that's beside the point. So do we sink to other's low depths? To be honest the beaches I have been to in Spain and Italy) have been spotless. (Yes, some built up areas may not be). It would cost us nothing presumably to fine the perpetrators for litter, speeding on bikes, having BBQs before time) as the fines would cover the salary for someone to patrol the beach. And if 'they have no money' take their mobile until they pay up Also fine people playing loud ghetto blasters (usually walking along the promenade), and what about 'no alcohol on the beach ", and no footie during the day. etc etc I am fed up with rowdy groups nearby, or footbally being kicked around, while I try and enjoy the beach! Why no community officers on the beachfront? bbird
  • Score: 1

5:06pm Thu 31 Jul 14

ashleycross says...

Can't the planning authorities limit the amount of treatment centres?
Can't the planning authorities limit the amount of treatment centres? ashleycross
  • Score: 1

11:34pm Thu 31 Jul 14

stevobath says...

michael mead wrote:
The providence project has being doing exactly what you are moaning about. That project has been shipping in drug addcted prolific offenders for many years from all over the country for the rehab that your boss is part of.
Dr turnball has made a lot of money out of this and may be you should sort out your own ethics, in how your company is involved with profiting out of the thing your moaning about.
No one likes the truth.

Turnbull & Steve Spiegel know each other VERY well!
[quote][p][bold]michael mead[/bold] wrote: The providence project has being doing exactly what you are moaning about. That project has been shipping in drug addcted prolific offenders for many years from all over the country for the rehab that your boss is part of. Dr turnball has made a lot of money out of this and may be you should sort out your own ethics, in how your company is involved with profiting out of the thing your moaning about.[/p][/quote]No one likes the truth. Turnbull & Steve Spiegel know each other VERY well! stevobath
  • Score: -5

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