VIDEO: Cockroach sandwich? No thanks! Unpleasant surprise found in a loaf of bread

VIDEO: Cockroach sandwich? No thanks! Unpleasant surprise found in a loaf of bread

‘DISGUSTED: Samuel Backton

VIDEO: Cockroach sandwich? No thanks! Unpleasant surprise found in a loaf of bread

VIDEO: Cockroach sandwich? No thanks! Unpleasant surprise found in a loaf of bread

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A VEGAN from Bournemouth was “horrified” after finding a dead cockroach inside a loaf of Kingsmill bread.

Samuel Backon, of Pine Road, Winton, made the gruesome discovery on Thursday while making himself a hummus sandwich. The 18-year-old said: “I was going out with friends and was putting together a packed-lunch.

“As I took out the piece of bread I noticed a black bit. At first I just thought it was a bit of mould or something. Then I picked at it and realised it was a cockroach. It was disgusting.”

Mr Backon, who hopes to study adult nursing at Bournemouth University in September, said the insect was approximately the size of a 50 pence coin.

The teenager bought the loaf from his local Costcutter store on Ripon Road. He said: “I took some pictures on my phone. Then I took it back to Costcutter to get a new one.

“They were really good and exchanged it straight away.”

He said he has made a complaint to Kingsmill but is yet to hear back from the firm.

A spokesman from Allied Bakeries, the parent company of Kingsmill, said investigations into Mr Backon’s complaint are ongoing.

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5:39am Tue 29 Jul 14

Richard 1976 says...

Do you normally crouch down to butter your bread?
Do you normally crouch down to butter your bread? Richard 1976
  • Score: 25

6:16am Tue 29 Jul 14

hamworthygirl says...

Why take it back to the shop? environmental services is the place to deal with this. The company that makes them would take more notice and you wouldnt have to go to the echo.
Why take it back to the shop? environmental services is the place to deal with this. The company that makes them would take more notice and you wouldnt have to go to the echo. hamworthygirl
  • Score: 14

6:21am Tue 29 Jul 14

Understated says...

easy to blame kingsmill. a cockroach can eat its way into food if it isnt stored properly. whos to say it was even costcutter's fault? people are so eager to blame other places, but i wonder if he bothered to check for signs that he was harboring cockroaches before this. if one got into the loaf, he could have crushed it between slices when putting it back in the cupboard.

the only time i would assume something got in via manufacturers end is in sealed tin cans and cartons..
easy to blame kingsmill. a cockroach can eat its way into food if it isnt stored properly. whos to say it was even costcutter's fault? people are so eager to blame other places, but i wonder if he bothered to check for signs that he was harboring cockroaches before this. if one got into the loaf, he could have crushed it between slices when putting it back in the cupboard. the only time i would assume something got in via manufacturers end is in sealed tin cans and cartons.. Understated
  • Score: 23

6:41am Tue 29 Jul 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Needs to start reading some proper food. Hummus sandwiches indeed!!!
Needs to start reading some proper food. Hummus sandwiches indeed!!! Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 12

6:43am Tue 29 Jul 14

we-shall-see says...

Does it make a difference that the bloke is a vegan? Does it add to his story that we are told what he was putting in his sandwich?

These things happen mate, so get over yourself. The bug could have got into the bread at any point from manufacture to your own kitchen. You got your money back and obviously happy to continue eating Kingsmill since you're supposedly buttering yourself another slice ..... grow up and get over it :o//
Does it make a difference that the bloke is a vegan? Does it add to his story that we are told what he was putting in his sandwich? These things happen mate, so get over yourself. The bug could have got into the bread at any point from manufacture to your own kitchen. You got your money back and obviously happy to continue eating Kingsmill since you're supposedly buttering yourself another slice ..... grow up and get over it :o// we-shall-see
  • Score: 36

6:54am Tue 29 Jul 14

davecook says...

Top marks for miserable face, but there is a serious side to this. The cockroach in the load of bread got there accidentally, in order to make cockroach free bread, cockroaches would have to die by poisoning in order to keep them out of bakeries and granaries. So any vegan has to ask themselves one question. What food can they eat that does not cause the death, use, or suffering of any insect whatsoever. The answer is a simple number, just below one. From a vegans point of view, I imagine I would be happier if the occasional bug accidentally died, than a whole ecosystem of happy little bugs was wiped out in order to make a guaranteed cockroach free loaf................
.........
Top marks for miserable face, but there is a serious side to this. The cockroach in the load of bread got there accidentally, in order to make cockroach free bread, cockroaches would have to die by poisoning in order to keep them out of bakeries and granaries. So any vegan has to ask themselves one question. What food can they eat that does not cause the death, use, or suffering of any insect whatsoever. The answer is a simple number, just below one. From a vegans point of view, I imagine I would be happier if the occasional bug accidentally died, than a whole ecosystem of happy little bugs was wiped out in order to make a guaranteed cockroach free loaf................ ......... davecook
  • Score: 28

7:20am Tue 29 Jul 14

Baysider says...

I think Sam needs to get his kitchen checked out before blaming others and if he was so disgusted why was he happy to accept a replacement loaf? Sorry Sam but most likely the problem is at your place not Kingsmill.
I think Sam needs to get his kitchen checked out before blaming others and if he was so disgusted why was he happy to accept a replacement loaf? Sorry Sam but most likely the problem is at your place not Kingsmill. Baysider
  • Score: 21

7:23am Tue 29 Jul 14

FerryFan says...

Yesterday in the Mirror there was a story about what prisoners complain about, one complained about short and curlies in his sheets, another was upset as he found a woodlouse in his soup. I said the guy with the hairy sheets shoulod keep themm to use as dental floss to get the woodlouse shells out of his teeth!

Seriously though, a vegan finding a cockroach in a loaf, just take it back to the shop withvthe receipt and get a replacement, also bread comes in batches so maybe there would be roaches in those, why go to the paper? I'd just go back to the shop with it and get a refund or replacement.
Yesterday in the Mirror there was a story about what prisoners complain about, one complained about short and curlies in his sheets, another was upset as he found a woodlouse in his soup. I said the guy with the hairy sheets shoulod keep themm to use as dental floss to get the woodlouse shells out of his teeth! Seriously though, a vegan finding a cockroach in a loaf, just take it back to the shop withvthe receipt and get a replacement, also bread comes in batches so maybe there would be roaches in those, why go to the paper? I'd just go back to the shop with it and get a refund or replacement. FerryFan
  • Score: 15

7:33am Tue 29 Jul 14

ben111 says...

Horrified,,,, Really ?

I must admit the first thing i do when im HORRIFIED is phone the Echo
Horrified,,,, Really ? I must admit the first thing i do when im HORRIFIED is phone the Echo ben111
  • Score: 25

7:37am Tue 29 Jul 14

ben111 says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
Needs to start reading some proper food. Hummus sandwiches indeed!!!
Now he's having a go at hummus, what has hummus ever done to you
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: Needs to start reading some proper food. Hummus sandwiches indeed!!![/p][/quote]Now he's having a go at hummus, what has hummus ever done to you ben111
  • Score: 7

7:49am Tue 29 Jul 14

B.F.G says...

How desperate is this paper for a 'story'?

How desperate is the vegan for publicity?
How desperate is this paper for a 'story'? How desperate is the vegan for publicity? B.F.G
  • Score: 24

8:10am Tue 29 Jul 14

Lord Spring says...

What a shocking experience having to eat cut bread.
What a shocking experience having to eat cut bread. Lord Spring
  • Score: 15

8:17am Tue 29 Jul 14

justme20092009 says...

he was in burger king last week eating whoppers and i bet he put that in the bread himself..hes like that
he was in burger king last week eating whoppers and i bet he put that in the bread himself..hes like that justme20092009
  • Score: 12

8:26am Tue 29 Jul 14

Chief-Wiggum says...

Top reporting as usual! It might even get nominated for an award!
Top reporting as usual! It might even get nominated for an award! Chief-Wiggum
  • Score: 12

8:38am Tue 29 Jul 14

BarrHumbug says...

Is this story a wind up? A vegan with the surname Backon? :D
Is this story a wind up? A vegan with the surname Backon? :D BarrHumbug
  • Score: 20

8:39am Tue 29 Jul 14

ReservoirFrogs says...

I'd rather eat a dead cockroach than Hummus - YUK
I'd rather eat a dead cockroach than Hummus - YUK ReservoirFrogs
  • Score: 7

8:43am Tue 29 Jul 14

Controversial But True says...

Stereotyped wrote:
That's a bloke!? Needs some steak in him...
I think he's already had some!!
[quote][p][bold]Stereotyped[/bold] wrote: That's a bloke!? Needs some steak in him...[/p][/quote]I think he's already had some!! Controversial But True
  • Score: 8

9:01am Tue 29 Jul 14

scrumpyjack says...

Is it David Platt from Coronation Street?
Is it David Platt from Coronation Street? scrumpyjack
  • Score: 8

9:15am Tue 29 Jul 14

Controversial But True says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
Is it David Platt from Coronation Street?
or Timmy Mallett?
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: Is it David Platt from Coronation Street?[/p][/quote]or Timmy Mallett? Controversial But True
  • Score: 7

9:29am Tue 29 Jul 14

FerryFan says...

Ben Mitchell!!
Ben Mitchell!! FerryFan
  • Score: 2

9:47am Tue 29 Jul 14

Western Sunset says...

Sam, I see from the article that you are taking up nursing as a career.

All the very best in that, but prepare yourself for seeing a lot of things much more unpleasant than a dead cockroach.
Sam, I see from the article that you are taking up nursing as a career. All the very best in that, but prepare yourself for seeing a lot of things much more unpleasant than a dead cockroach. Western Sunset
  • Score: 12

9:47am Tue 29 Jul 14

skydriver says...

He just wanted 2 minutes of fame. So every company shortcoming is now reported to the Echo,
Clearly not too much local news.
Come along Echo you can do better than this .....PLEASE.
He just wanted 2 minutes of fame. So every company shortcoming is now reported to the Echo, Clearly not too much local news. Come along Echo you can do better than this .....PLEASE. skydriver
  • Score: 2

10:02am Tue 29 Jul 14

Adrian XX says...

Richard 1976 wrote:
Do you normally crouch down to butter your bread?
I think he is probably "chemically-sliming" his bread since he is a vegan.
[quote][p][bold]Richard 1976[/bold] wrote: Do you normally crouch down to butter your bread?[/p][/quote]I think he is probably "chemically-sliming" his bread since he is a vegan. Adrian XX
  • Score: 4

10:11am Tue 29 Jul 14

bsjc1234 says...

The top ten headlines we will soon (never) see in the Echo

White line stolen from Castle Lane

Christchurch Councillor wakes up

Spur road to be made a one-way

Cycle lanes to be removed and given to joggers

The Echo sponsored 4 day paper clip fair to be hosted at pier approach

New Zip Wire from pier catapults man to France

Poole Bournemouth & Christchurch merge to form a new urban sprawl

Castle Lane closed for six weeks after ants nest found in central barrier

Man finds woman in loaf of bread

Local buses to run as per timetable
The top ten headlines we will soon (never) see in the Echo White line stolen from Castle Lane Christchurch Councillor wakes up Spur road to be made a one-way Cycle lanes to be removed and given to joggers The Echo sponsored 4 day paper clip fair to be hosted at pier approach New Zip Wire from pier catapults man to France Poole Bournemouth & Christchurch merge to form a new urban sprawl Castle Lane closed for six weeks after ants nest found in central barrier Man finds woman in loaf of bread Local buses to run as per timetable bsjc1234
  • Score: 11

10:30am Tue 29 Jul 14

bogtrotter says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
Is it David Platt from Coronation Street?
I was just about to write the same thing but thought I'd check if someone else beat me to it, ****! Absolute spit (unluckily for him)
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: Is it David Platt from Coronation Street?[/p][/quote]I was just about to write the same thing but thought I'd check if someone else beat me to it, ****! Absolute spit (unluckily for him) bogtrotter
  • Score: 4

10:34am Tue 29 Jul 14

suzigirl says...

Was the cockroach organic?
Was the cockroach organic? suzigirl
  • Score: 2

11:26am Tue 29 Jul 14

John T says...

It is appropriate that the video should sponsor Mr Backon as Thick and Soft.
It is appropriate that the video should sponsor Mr Backon as Thick and Soft. John T
  • Score: 11

11:29am Tue 29 Jul 14

Sir Cliff West says...

No meat, white bread, margerine and hummus. Your going to be a patient rather than a nurse.
No meat, white bread, margerine and hummus. Your going to be a patient rather than a nurse. Sir Cliff West
  • Score: 10

11:39am Tue 29 Jul 14

ProudVegan says...

Wow- if this was a Muslim who found pork in a product I'm sure comments like this wouldn't pop up!
Wow- if this was a Muslim who found pork in a product I'm sure comments like this wouldn't pop up! ProudVegan
  • Score: -2

11:42am Tue 29 Jul 14

BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth says...

As a self professed vegan he shouldn't be eating Kingsmill bread, it isn't vegan.
As a self professed vegan he shouldn't be eating Kingsmill bread, it isn't vegan. BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth
  • Score: 15

11:51am Tue 29 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

as soon as I read the words Vegan in the headline (like that makes a difference to whether you'd mind finding a cockroach in your food!) I was waiting for the inevitable stupid comments from the "macho" you need meat brigade - and sure enough I wasn't disappointed, so just for the record here are the FACTS- no you don't need to eat meat, in fact anyone who even has a vague awareness of recent reports would know that eating meat is linked to an increase in the risk of cancer, I have never (and would bet my lifes fortune that i will never) see a report along the lines of "eat less vegetables they are dangerous". If you like eating meat , are aware of the ethical/health/ecolo
gical issues and don't care that's between you and your conscience but please stop spouting inane drivel about needing to eat it!!!!
as soon as I read the words Vegan in the headline (like that makes a difference to whether you'd mind finding a cockroach in your food!) I was waiting for the inevitable stupid comments from the "macho" you need meat brigade - and sure enough I wasn't disappointed, so just for the record here are the FACTS- no you don't need to eat meat, in fact anyone who even has a vague awareness of recent reports would know that eating meat is linked to an increase in the risk of cancer, I have never (and would bet my lifes fortune that i will never) see a report along the lines of "eat less vegetables they are dangerous". If you like eating meat , are aware of the ethical/health/ecolo gical issues and don't care that's between you and your conscience but please stop spouting inane drivel about needing to eat it!!!! uvox44
  • Score: -10

11:59am Tue 29 Jul 14

Sir Cliff West says...

You don't need to eat meat if you desire the ill, pasty, washed out, anaemic, undernourished, lack of muscle tone look.

It suited Charles Hawtrey.
You don't need to eat meat if you desire the ill, pasty, washed out, anaemic, undernourished, lack of muscle tone look. It suited Charles Hawtrey. Sir Cliff West
  • Score: 7

12:02pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Controversial But True says...

BigAlfromsunnyBourne
mouth
wrote:
As a self professed vegan he shouldn't be eating Kingsmill bread, it isn't vegan.
Actually, it is:

"Are Kingsmill products suitable for vegetarians and vegans?
All of our Kingsmill breads are suitable for both vegetarians and vegans. They are made only with vegetable fats and any emulsifiers used (E471, E472e) are sourced from vegetable oils. Any tin grease used is also made from vegetable oils and all enzymes are suitable for vegetarians.

There have been some reports that bread can be made with animal based enzymes but we would like to assure you that we do not use any animal enzymes in our Kingsmill products."
[quote][p][bold]BigAlfromsunnyBourne mouth[/bold] wrote: As a self professed vegan he shouldn't be eating Kingsmill bread, it isn't vegan.[/p][/quote]Actually, it is: "Are Kingsmill products suitable for vegetarians and vegans? All of our Kingsmill breads are suitable for both vegetarians and vegans. They are made only with vegetable fats and any emulsifiers used (E471, E472e) are sourced from vegetable oils. Any tin grease used is also made from vegetable oils and all enzymes are suitable for vegetarians. There have been some reports that bread can be made with animal based enzymes but we would like to assure you that we do not use any animal enzymes in our Kingsmill products." Controversial But True
  • Score: 0

12:17pm Tue 29 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

Sir Cliff West- are you aware that Mike Tyson is a vegan, have you ever tried googling Vegan athletes? Thought not! If you eat a poor diet unless you are blessed with superb genes you will look and become unhealthy, whether omnivore,veg or vegan, as a vegan if I lived on nothing but chips and ate no vegetables i wouldn't last long , so i don't! But if you are implying all vegans are unhealthy and you need to eat meat to fit then you are talking drivel.
Sir Cliff West- are you aware that Mike Tyson is a vegan, have you ever tried googling Vegan athletes? Thought not! If you eat a poor diet unless you are blessed with superb genes you will look and become unhealthy, whether omnivore,veg or vegan, as a vegan if I lived on nothing but chips and ate no vegetables i wouldn't last long , so i don't! But if you are implying all vegans are unhealthy and you need to eat meat to fit then you are talking drivel. uvox44
  • Score: -5

12:32pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Controversial But True says...

uvox44 wrote:
Sir Cliff West- are you aware that Mike Tyson is a vegan, have you ever tried googling Vegan athletes? Thought not! If you eat a poor diet unless you are blessed with superb genes you will look and become unhealthy, whether omnivore,veg or vegan, as a vegan if I lived on nothing but chips and ate no vegetables i wouldn't last long , so i don't! But if you are implying all vegans are unhealthy and you need to eat meat to fit then you are talking drivel.
Evander Holyfield was made of meat though!
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote: Sir Cliff West- are you aware that Mike Tyson is a vegan, have you ever tried googling Vegan athletes? Thought not! If you eat a poor diet unless you are blessed with superb genes you will look and become unhealthy, whether omnivore,veg or vegan, as a vegan if I lived on nothing but chips and ate no vegetables i wouldn't last long , so i don't! But if you are implying all vegans are unhealthy and you need to eat meat to fit then you are talking drivel.[/p][/quote]Evander Holyfield was made of meat though! Controversial But True
  • Score: 1

12:33pm Tue 29 Jul 14

lilacfloyd says...

uvox44 wrote:
Sir Cliff West- are you aware that Mike Tyson is a vegan, have you ever tried googling Vegan athletes? Thought not! If you eat a poor diet unless you are blessed with superb genes you will look and become unhealthy, whether omnivore,veg or vegan, as a vegan if I lived on nothing but chips and ate no vegetables i wouldn't last long , so i don't! But if you are implying all vegans are unhealthy and you need to eat meat to fit then you are talking drivel.
Mike Tyson a vegan? Apart from consuming the odd human ear. ;)
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote: Sir Cliff West- are you aware that Mike Tyson is a vegan, have you ever tried googling Vegan athletes? Thought not! If you eat a poor diet unless you are blessed with superb genes you will look and become unhealthy, whether omnivore,veg or vegan, as a vegan if I lived on nothing but chips and ate no vegetables i wouldn't last long , so i don't! But if you are implying all vegans are unhealthy and you need to eat meat to fit then you are talking drivel.[/p][/quote]Mike Tyson a vegan? Apart from consuming the odd human ear. ;) lilacfloyd
  • Score: 10

12:41pm Tue 29 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

yes there are athletes who ate meat and who don't - what does that tell you ? Clearly eating meat is a choice not a necessity- a choice that many are now realising has too many costs (moral, ecological and for health) , hence the increasing popularity of veganism ( and Bournemouths excellent all vegan cafe The Mad Cucumber at the Triangle is a sign of the times) This macho man attitude that equates eating meat with somehow being a rough tough hunter always gives me a good laugh though- no if anyone would forgo their trip to the supermarket and get in an enclosure with a genuine obligate carnivore such as a lion or tiger then you'd have my respect (albeit posthumously!)
yes there are athletes who ate meat and who don't - what does that tell you ? Clearly eating meat is a choice not a necessity- a choice that many are now realising has too many costs (moral, ecological and for health) , hence the increasing popularity of veganism ( and Bournemouths excellent all vegan cafe The Mad Cucumber at the Triangle is a sign of the times) This macho man attitude that equates eating meat with somehow being a rough tough hunter always gives me a good laugh though- no if anyone would forgo their trip to the supermarket and get in an enclosure with a genuine obligate carnivore such as a lion or tiger then you'd have my respect (albeit posthumously!) uvox44
  • Score: -5

1:00pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Boscomite says...

uvox44 wrote:
as soon as I read the words Vegan in the headline (like that makes a difference to whether you'd mind finding a cockroach in your food!) I was waiting for the inevitable stupid comments from the "macho" you need meat brigade - and sure enough I wasn't disappointed, so just for the record here are the FACTS- no you don't need to eat meat, in fact anyone who even has a vague awareness of recent reports would know that eating meat is linked to an increase in the risk of cancer, I have never (and would bet my lifes fortune that i will never) see a report along the lines of "eat less vegetables they are dangerous". If you like eating meat , are aware of the ethical/health/ecolo

gical issues and don't care that's between you and your conscience but please stop spouting inane drivel about needing to eat it!!!!
If no-one ate meat, cows, sheep, chicken, pigs, turkeys and many others would become extinct, as no-one would keep them. Veganism is cruelty to animals.
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote: as soon as I read the words Vegan in the headline (like that makes a difference to whether you'd mind finding a cockroach in your food!) I was waiting for the inevitable stupid comments from the "macho" you need meat brigade - and sure enough I wasn't disappointed, so just for the record here are the FACTS- no you don't need to eat meat, in fact anyone who even has a vague awareness of recent reports would know that eating meat is linked to an increase in the risk of cancer, I have never (and would bet my lifes fortune that i will never) see a report along the lines of "eat less vegetables they are dangerous". If you like eating meat , are aware of the ethical/health/ecolo gical issues and don't care that's between you and your conscience but please stop spouting inane drivel about needing to eat it!!!![/p][/quote]If no-one ate meat, cows, sheep, chicken, pigs, turkeys and many others would become extinct, as no-one would keep them. Veganism is cruelty to animals. Boscomite
  • Score: 2

1:22pm Tue 29 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

Boscomite - there certainly would be less livestock around, apart from the odd pet sheep, cow or pig true but then we don't eat another large animal often seen in fields and they don't seem to have become extinct do they?
ps your logic is flawed , you can't be cruel to something that doesn't exist.
Boscomite - there certainly would be less livestock around, apart from the odd pet sheep, cow or pig true but then we don't eat another large animal often seen in fields and they don't seem to have become extinct do they? ps your logic is flawed , you can't be cruel to something that doesn't exist. uvox44
  • Score: -5

1:29pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Sir Cliff West says...

Mike tyson in retirement is one thing. I'll bet when he was at his best he ate meat. Since he was sectioned he's gone a bit bonkers so becoming a vegan is just a quirk of his mental illness.
Mike tyson in retirement is one thing. I'll bet when he was at his best he ate meat. Since he was sectioned he's gone a bit bonkers so becoming a vegan is just a quirk of his mental illness. Sir Cliff West
  • Score: -1

1:50pm Tue 29 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

yes caring for the planet, other species and your health is a sure sign of mental illness isn't it? I think it's one of the criteria used to section people actually, you got me there Sir Cliff, i'm no match for you.....
yes caring for the planet, other species and your health is a sure sign of mental illness isn't it? I think it's one of the criteria used to section people actually, you got me there Sir Cliff, i'm no match for you..... uvox44
  • Score: -5

2:09pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Sir Cliff West says...

Caring for the planet :-) yeah sure, you got a car ?
All plant eaters give off plenty of methane, not very environmentally friendly.
You can keep trying to justify your disorder if it makes you feel better.
You've convinced me, I'm going to cook a bacon sandwich in a minute and I'll have a bit of onion with it.
Caring for the planet :-) yeah sure, you got a car ? All plant eaters give off plenty of methane, not very environmentally friendly. You can keep trying to justify your disorder if it makes you feel better. You've convinced me, I'm going to cook a bacon sandwich in a minute and I'll have a bit of onion with it. Sir Cliff West
  • Score: 4

2:29pm Tue 29 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

I do have a car , i also have a bicycle . Plant eaters do indeed give off a lot of methane - in fact there was an article in The Guardian about a study showing that the total CO2 produced from the meat and diary industries exceeded that of all the emissions from road transport (hence the comment about giving up meat if you care for the planet - and that's not even factoring in land use, water use, pollution etc etc)
If you think caring for others and the place you live is a disorder then I politely suggest you might need a rethink? Anyway i'm just off to cook a vegetable stir-fry and go out on my bike for a healthy , emission free cycle- bfn
I do have a car , i also have a bicycle . Plant eaters do indeed give off a lot of methane - in fact there was an article in The Guardian about a study showing that the total CO2 produced from the meat and diary industries exceeded that of all the emissions from road transport (hence the comment about giving up meat if you care for the planet - and that's not even factoring in land use, water use, pollution etc etc) If you think caring for others and the place you live is a disorder then I politely suggest you might need a rethink? Anyway i'm just off to cook a vegetable stir-fry and go out on my bike for a healthy , emission free cycle- bfn uvox44
  • Score: -4

2:45pm Tue 29 Jul 14

BarrHumbug says...

The biggest problem with this story is the reporting both by the Echo and no doubt by the story that Mr Backon gave them.
The problem starts with the first two words "A VEGAN" splashed out in capital letters, its like the Echo are pronouncing him as some sort of social outcast, if thats his choice then fine let him get on with it, he's not harming me.
As if being a vegan makes any difference to the fact there was a cockroach in the loaf, does that mean if it had been a meat eater who found it they would have shouted "BONUS" and popped him under the grill? No of course not, so the whole vegan thing has nothing to do with it?
But then how did the Echo know he is a vegan, its not like them to asks questions, they usually just write what their told or copy and paste someone else's news? So I guess Mr Backon told them, why? Why is it some vegetarians feel the need to broadcast their dietary choices? I don't sit in a restaurant saying "I eat meat so i'm going to have a steak" but i've often heard a vegetarian announce their dietary preference before asking for the stuffed peppers, why? who cares? My ex's father used to make a point of loudly announcing in the restaurant when he ordered that he didn't eat red meat before ordering the chicken or fish. We all knew he didn't eat red meat and the waiter/waitress couldn't care less but he still did it every time anyway? As it turns out he went back onto a red meat diet under instruction from his doctor as he was dangerously under weight.
Its all about balance ;)
The biggest problem with this story is the reporting both by the Echo and no doubt by the story that Mr Backon gave them. The problem starts with the first two words "A VEGAN" splashed out in capital letters, its like the Echo are pronouncing him as some sort of social outcast, if thats his choice then fine let him get on with it, he's not harming me. As if being a vegan makes any difference to the fact there was a cockroach in the loaf, does that mean if it had been a meat eater who found it they would have shouted "BONUS" and popped him under the grill? No of course not, so the whole vegan thing has nothing to do with it? But then how did the Echo know he is a vegan, its not like them to asks questions, they usually just write what their told or copy and paste someone else's news? So I guess Mr Backon told them, why? Why is it some vegetarians feel the need to broadcast their dietary choices? I don't sit in a restaurant saying "I eat meat so i'm going to have a steak" but i've often heard a vegetarian announce their dietary preference before asking for the stuffed peppers, why? who cares? My ex's father used to make a point of loudly announcing in the restaurant when he ordered that he didn't eat red meat before ordering the chicken or fish. We all knew he didn't eat red meat and the waiter/waitress couldn't care less but he still did it every time anyway? As it turns out he went back onto a red meat diet under instruction from his doctor as he was dangerously under weight. Its all about balance ;) BarrHumbug
  • Score: 9

2:51pm Tue 29 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

generally the reason someone says they are vegetarian/vegan to a waiter/waiteress is so the resturaunt knows what to cook, it is a short term covering a lot of choices, after all it would be boring to have to list every ingredient you could or could not eat ! But i agree unless the person in the story insisted they mention he was a vegan then it seems that the Echo was just putting it in to stir up debate - just as well he didn't say he was a cyclist as well !
generally the reason someone says they are vegetarian/vegan to a waiter/waiteress is so the resturaunt knows what to cook, it is a short term covering a lot of choices, after all it would be boring to have to list every ingredient you could or could not eat ! But i agree unless the person in the story insisted they mention he was a vegan then it seems that the Echo was just putting it in to stir up debate - just as well he didn't say he was a cyclist as well ! uvox44
  • Score: -2

2:52pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Sir Cliff West says...

It won't be emission free, you'll be breathing out C02 every time you exhale and emmiting methane from your other end as you cycle along.

The only way you'll be emission free and environmentally friendly is when dead.
It won't be emission free, you'll be breathing out C02 every time you exhale and emmiting methane from your other end as you cycle along. The only way you'll be emission free and environmentally friendly is when dead. Sir Cliff West
  • Score: 5

3:28pm Tue 29 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

ok let me rephrase then - it will be much lower emission than if i was in my car. I agree that being alive inevitably has costs to the planet so my philosophy is to do as much as I can to minimise those (diet choices, transport choices, buying choices , leisure choices etc etc) . Some people seem to make the massive and illogical leap that because you can never do zero harm then why bother to even try- a lazy and selfish attitude.
ok let me rephrase then - it will be much lower emission than if i was in my car. I agree that being alive inevitably has costs to the planet so my philosophy is to do as much as I can to minimise those (diet choices, transport choices, buying choices , leisure choices etc etc) . Some people seem to make the massive and illogical leap that because you can never do zero harm then why bother to even try- a lazy and selfish attitude. uvox44
  • Score: -6

3:29pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Gingertree says...

Maybe thats natures way of telling ya to get some meat down your neck. As humans we are bred (pardon the pun) to be meat eaters
Maybe thats natures way of telling ya to get some meat down your neck. As humans we are bred (pardon the pun) to be meat eaters Gingertree
  • Score: 4

3:35pm Tue 29 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

sorry gingertree i don't even understand your troll so i guess it's going into the massive fail catergory.....
sorry gingertree i don't even understand your troll so i guess it's going into the massive fail catergory..... uvox44
  • Score: -6

3:52pm Tue 29 Jul 14

BarrHumbug says...

uvox44 wrote:
generally the reason someone says they are vegetarian/vegan to a waiter/waiteress is so the resturaunt knows what to cook, it is a short term covering a lot of choices, after all it would be boring to have to list every ingredient you could or could not eat ! But i agree unless the person in the story insisted they mention he was a vegan then it seems that the Echo was just putting it in to stir up debate - just as well he didn't say he was a cyclist as well !
Have to disagree with that one. Generally when you go to a restaurant you pick something off the menu and on it is that little green V symbol, you don't just go in and say "i'm a vegetarian now rustle me something up"
True this may not be suitable for vegans but vegetarians should be able to order these meals safe in the knowledge they are prepared without meat products or by-products? And yet some still have to announce it as well, surprised they don't shout out "murderers" as they leave the restaurant to be honest?
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote: generally the reason someone says they are vegetarian/vegan to a waiter/waiteress is so the resturaunt knows what to cook, it is a short term covering a lot of choices, after all it would be boring to have to list every ingredient you could or could not eat ! But i agree unless the person in the story insisted they mention he was a vegan then it seems that the Echo was just putting it in to stir up debate - just as well he didn't say he was a cyclist as well ![/p][/quote]Have to disagree with that one. Generally when you go to a restaurant you pick something off the menu and on it is that little green V symbol, you don't just go in and say "i'm a vegetarian now rustle me something up" True this may not be suitable for vegans but vegetarians should be able to order these meals safe in the knowledge they are prepared without meat products or by-products? And yet some still have to announce it as well, surprised they don't shout out "murderers" as they leave the restaurant to be honest? BarrHumbug
  • Score: 5

4:04pm Tue 29 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

guess it depends on the resturaunt- some do , some don't . I have always found that as a veggie and now vegan I tend to get very hostile reactions even if my dietary choices come up in conversation and despite me not "preaching" so I don't know why that is, except for latent guilt maybe?
guess it depends on the resturaunt- some do , some don't . I have always found that as a veggie and now vegan I tend to get very hostile reactions even if my dietary choices come up in conversation and despite me not "preaching" so I don't know why that is, except for latent guilt maybe? uvox44
  • Score: -4

4:09pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Gingertree says...

uvox44 wrote:
sorry gingertree i don't even understand your troll so i guess it's going into the massive fail catergory.....
How is stating the fact humans have been bred that means evolved to be meat eaters Thats why we have the teeth and intestinal tract that we do
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote: sorry gingertree i don't even understand your troll so i guess it's going into the massive fail catergory.....[/p][/quote]How is stating the fact humans have been bred that means evolved to be meat eaters Thats why we have the teeth and intestinal tract that we do Gingertree
  • Score: 2

4:12pm Tue 29 Jul 14

MrPitiful says...

uvox44 wrote:
generally the reason someone says they are vegetarian/vegan to a waiter/waiteress is so the resturaunt knows what to cook, it is a short term covering a lot of choices, after all it would be boring to have to list every ingredient you could or could not eat ! But i agree unless the person in the story insisted they mention he was a vegan then it seems that the Echo was just putting it in to stir up debate - just as well he didn't say he was a cyclist as well !
To be honest, I reckon the reason a lot of "vegetarians" or "vegans" announce what they are in restaurants - and it is true as I have heard this myself on more than one occasions - is purely for attention. As though we as other diners should admire their cause and commitment.

Similar to the guy in this story - just a bit of attention seeking. That is why he has gone to the paper with his (probably made-up) story and furthermore, felt the need to tell the reporter he is a "vegan" - or apparently a Burger King Whopper eating vegan at that.
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote: generally the reason someone says they are vegetarian/vegan to a waiter/waiteress is so the resturaunt knows what to cook, it is a short term covering a lot of choices, after all it would be boring to have to list every ingredient you could or could not eat ! But i agree unless the person in the story insisted they mention he was a vegan then it seems that the Echo was just putting it in to stir up debate - just as well he didn't say he was a cyclist as well ![/p][/quote]To be honest, I reckon the reason a lot of "vegetarians" or "vegans" announce what they are in restaurants - and it is true as I have heard this myself on more than one occasions - is purely for attention. As though we as other diners should admire their cause and commitment. Similar to the guy in this story - just a bit of attention seeking. That is why he has gone to the paper with his (probably made-up) story and furthermore, felt the need to tell the reporter he is a "vegan" - or apparently a Burger King Whopper eating vegan at that. MrPitiful
  • Score: 5

4:23pm Tue 29 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

gingertree- please do not state it as a fact given it isn't one! Humans can eat meat, we certainly haven't evolved to primarily. Our closest living relatives are the chimps and they have developed a taste for occasional meat eating but their diet is overwhelmingly plant based. True carnivores (as opposed to omnivores or herbivores) are nothing like us in physiology.
I'm not saying if i ate meat I'd instantly drop dead, I'm saying fortunately I don't need to , and haven't for at least 30 years- I'm glad i don't for the reasons I have already mentioned. If you choose to eat it that is your choice but you certainly don't need to .
gingertree- please do not state it as a fact given it isn't one! Humans can eat meat, we certainly haven't evolved to primarily. Our closest living relatives are the chimps and they have developed a taste for occasional meat eating but their diet is overwhelmingly plant based. True carnivores (as opposed to omnivores or herbivores) are nothing like us in physiology. I'm not saying if i ate meat I'd instantly drop dead, I'm saying fortunately I don't need to , and haven't for at least 30 years- I'm glad i don't for the reasons I have already mentioned. If you choose to eat it that is your choice but you certainly don't need to . uvox44
  • Score: -5

4:30pm Tue 29 Jul 14

A_USER says...

Boring!

Must have been so awful for you!
Look at all teh other horrific things happening out there in the world, why is your story worthy of making it into an article, let alone the internet!

Get a grip, eat some meat!
Boring! Must have been so awful for you! Look at all teh other horrific things happening out there in the world, why is your story worthy of making it into an article, let alone the internet! Get a grip, eat some meat! A_USER
  • Score: -1

4:41pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Gingertree says...

uvox44 wrote:
gingertree- please do not state it as a fact given it isn't one! Humans can eat meat, we certainly haven't evolved to primarily. Our closest living relatives are the chimps and they have developed a taste for occasional meat eating but their diet is overwhelmingly plant based. True carnivores (as opposed to omnivores or herbivores) are nothing like us in physiology.
I'm not saying if i ate meat I'd instantly drop dead, I'm saying fortunately I don't need to , and haven't for at least 30 years- I'm glad i don't for the reasons I have already mentioned. If you choose to eat it that is your choice but you certainly don't need to .
Where does it say NEED to eat meat I simply stated we have evolved to eat meat I just don't understand why vegetarians and vegans need to tell anyone in earshot thats what they are I along with the rest of the population couldn't care less.I choose to eat meat i just don't feel the need to broadcast the fact
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote: gingertree- please do not state it as a fact given it isn't one! Humans can eat meat, we certainly haven't evolved to primarily. Our closest living relatives are the chimps and they have developed a taste for occasional meat eating but their diet is overwhelmingly plant based. True carnivores (as opposed to omnivores or herbivores) are nothing like us in physiology. I'm not saying if i ate meat I'd instantly drop dead, I'm saying fortunately I don't need to , and haven't for at least 30 years- I'm glad i don't for the reasons I have already mentioned. If you choose to eat it that is your choice but you certainly don't need to .[/p][/quote]Where does it say NEED to eat meat I simply stated we have evolved to eat meat I just don't understand why vegetarians and vegans need to tell anyone in earshot thats what they are I along with the rest of the population couldn't care less.I choose to eat meat i just don't feel the need to broadcast the fact Gingertree
  • Score: 6

4:49pm Tue 29 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

trolls are bored today aren't they?
trolls are bored today aren't they? uvox44
  • Score: -6

4:57pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Gingertree says...

uvox44 wrote:
trolls are bored today aren't they?
Yes obviously you are You arnt by any chance the spawn of Sir Beachy Head are you?
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote: trolls are bored today aren't they?[/p][/quote]Yes obviously you are You arnt by any chance the spawn of Sir Beachy Head are you? Gingertree
  • Score: 6

4:59pm Tue 29 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

gosh you are obsessed by breeding and spawning aren't you lol?
gosh you are obsessed by breeding and spawning aren't you lol? uvox44
  • Score: -5

5:04pm Tue 29 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

well as this thread seems to be rapidly sinking into stupid childishness i think i will leave people to look into veganism if they wish , if not fair enough, but got better things to do ....
well as this thread seems to be rapidly sinking into stupid childishness i think i will leave people to look into veganism if they wish , if not fair enough, but got better things to do .... uvox44
  • Score: -6

5:07pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Gingertree says...

uvox44 wrote:
well as this thread seems to be rapidly sinking into stupid childishness i think i will leave people to look into veganism if they wish , if not fair enough, but got better things to do ....
TTFN x
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote: well as this thread seems to be rapidly sinking into stupid childishness i think i will leave people to look into veganism if they wish , if not fair enough, but got better things to do ....[/p][/quote]TTFN x Gingertree
  • Score: 3

5:14pm Tue 29 Jul 14

FerryFan says...

uvox44 wrote:
gingertree- please do not state it as a fact given it isn't one! Humans can eat meat, we certainly haven't evolved to primarily. Our closest living relatives are the chimps and they have developed a taste for occasional meat eating but their diet is overwhelmingly plant based. True carnivores (as opposed to omnivores or herbivores) are nothing like us in physiology.
I'm not saying if i ate meat I'd instantly drop dead, I'm saying fortunately I don't need to , and haven't for at least 30 years- I'm glad i don't for the reasons I have already mentioned. If you choose to eat it that is your choice but you certainly don't need to .
Chimps occasional meat eaters - sorry they are not, they are omnivores and regularly kill other primates for food. Ever seen a grang of chimps ripping up a Colobus monkey while it is stilil alive? Horrific, but that is nature and chimps do this regularly to eat.
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote: gingertree- please do not state it as a fact given it isn't one! Humans can eat meat, we certainly haven't evolved to primarily. Our closest living relatives are the chimps and they have developed a taste for occasional meat eating but their diet is overwhelmingly plant based. True carnivores (as opposed to omnivores or herbivores) are nothing like us in physiology. I'm not saying if i ate meat I'd instantly drop dead, I'm saying fortunately I don't need to , and haven't for at least 30 years- I'm glad i don't for the reasons I have already mentioned. If you choose to eat it that is your choice but you certainly don't need to .[/p][/quote]Chimps occasional meat eaters - sorry they are not, they are omnivores and regularly kill other primates for food. Ever seen a grang of chimps ripping up a Colobus monkey while it is stilil alive? Horrific, but that is nature and chimps do this regularly to eat. FerryFan
  • Score: 1

6:06pm Tue 29 Jul 14

nickynoodah says...

Bread is no good for you Sam
I always have my sandwiches minus the bread
you know.
Bread is no good for you Sam I always have my sandwiches minus the bread you know. nickynoodah
  • Score: -1

6:16pm Tue 29 Jul 14

nickynoodah says...

You need the place fumigating Sam its killing you


Bacteria Carried By Cockroaches

At least 32 species of bacteria have been isolated from cockroaches in domestic environments. These include:
•Aeromonas spp., cause wound and other infections, diarrhea.
•Alcaligenes faecalis, causes of gastroenteritis, urinary tract infections.
•Bacillus cerreus, causes food poisoning.

•Bacillus subtilis, causes conjunctivitis.
•Campylobacter jejuni, causes enteritis.
•Clostridium perfringens, causes food poisoning, gas gangrene.
•Enterobacter spp., cause bacteremia (temporary presence of bacteria in the blood, which is commonly followed by the development of various infections including abscesses).
•Enterococcus spp., cause urinary tract and wound infections.
•Escherichia coli, causes diarrhea, wound infections.
•Klebsiella spp., cause pneumonia and urinary tract infections.
•Mycobacterium leprae, causes leprosy.
•Morganella morganii, causes wound infections
•Nocardia spp., causes actinomycetoma (chronic infection of the skin and underlying tissues).
•Oligella urethralis, may cause bacteremia, septic arthritis that mimics gonococcal arthritis, and peritonitis.4
•Pantoea
• spp., cause wound infections.
•Proteus rettgeri, causes wound infections.
•Proteus vulgaris, causes wound infections.
•Proteus mirabilis, causes wound infections, gastroenteritis.
•Pseudomonas spp., cause respiratory infections, gastroenteritis.
•Salmonella spp., cause gastroenteritis, food poisoning
•Salmonella typhi, causes typhoid.
•Salmonella pyogenes, causes pneumonia.
•Serratia spp., cause food poisoning.
•Shigella dysenteriae, causes disentery
•Sphyngobacterium spp., causes sepsis (presence in the blood or other tissues of pathogenic microorganisms or their toxins).
•Staphylococcus aureus, causes wound infections, skin infections, infections of internal organ.
•Staphylococcus epidermalis, causes wound infections.
•Streptococcus faecalis and other species, cause pneumonia.
•Yersinia pestis (isolated from oriental cockroach), causes plague

Worms, Protozoa, Fungi, and
You need the place fumigating Sam its killing you Bacteria Carried By Cockroaches At least 32 species of bacteria have been isolated from cockroaches in domestic environments. These include: •Aeromonas spp., cause wound and other infections, diarrhea. •Alcaligenes faecalis, causes of gastroenteritis, urinary tract infections. •Bacillus cerreus, causes food poisoning. • •Bacillus subtilis, causes conjunctivitis. •Campylobacter jejuni, causes enteritis. •Clostridium perfringens, causes food poisoning, gas gangrene. •Enterobacter spp., cause bacteremia (temporary presence of bacteria in the blood, which is commonly followed by the development of various infections including abscesses). •Enterococcus spp., cause urinary tract and wound infections. •Escherichia coli, causes diarrhea, wound infections. •Klebsiella spp., cause pneumonia and urinary tract infections. •Mycobacterium leprae, causes leprosy. •Morganella morganii, causes wound infections •Nocardia spp., causes actinomycetoma (chronic infection of the skin and underlying tissues). •Oligella urethralis, may cause bacteremia, septic arthritis that mimics gonococcal arthritis, and peritonitis.4 •Pantoea • spp., cause wound infections. •Proteus rettgeri, causes wound infections. •Proteus vulgaris, causes wound infections. •Proteus mirabilis, causes wound infections, gastroenteritis. •Pseudomonas spp., cause respiratory infections, gastroenteritis. •Salmonella spp., cause gastroenteritis, food poisoning •Salmonella typhi, causes typhoid. •Salmonella pyogenes, causes pneumonia. •Serratia spp., cause food poisoning. •Shigella dysenteriae, causes disentery •Sphyngobacterium spp., causes sepsis (presence in the blood or other tissues of pathogenic microorganisms or their toxins). •Staphylococcus aureus, causes wound infections, skin infections, infections of internal organ. •Staphylococcus epidermalis, causes wound infections. •Streptococcus faecalis and other species, cause pneumonia. •Yersinia pestis (isolated from oriental cockroach), causes plague Worms, Protozoa, Fungi, and nickynoodah
  • Score: 1

6:50pm Tue 29 Jul 14

O'Reilly says...

The lad looks like he could do with some protein anyway.
The lad looks like he could do with some protein anyway. O'Reilly
  • Score: 8

7:10pm Tue 29 Jul 14

ragj195 says...

Sir Cliff West wrote:
You don't need to eat meat if you desire the ill, pasty, washed out, anaemic, undernourished, lack of muscle tone look.

It suited Charles Hawtrey.
Tell that to a Silverback Gorilla.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Cliff West[/bold] wrote: You don't need to eat meat if you desire the ill, pasty, washed out, anaemic, undernourished, lack of muscle tone look. It suited Charles Hawtrey.[/p][/quote]Tell that to a Silverback Gorilla. ragj195
  • Score: 2

7:24pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Skyrah says...

I think it's safe to assume the cockroach got into the bread post production - when one falls in during production, the bread tends to clog and discolour around the offending beastie. Still a bit disgusting though, even if Mr Backon does look like he could do with a few pounds of protein!
I think it's safe to assume the cockroach got into the bread post production - when one falls in during production, the bread tends to clog and discolour around the offending beastie. Still a bit disgusting though, even if Mr Backon does look like he could do with a few pounds of protein! Skyrah
  • Score: 5

7:55pm Tue 29 Jul 14

X Old Bill says...

Later reports - which have yet to arrive at the Echo, state that the insect was a house fly and not a cockroach.

Rather less sensational and dramatic but no less unpleasant.
Later reports - which have yet to arrive at the Echo, state that the insect was a house fly and not a cockroach. Rather less sensational and dramatic but no less unpleasant. X Old Bill
  • Score: 5

8:46pm Tue 29 Jul 14

kalebmoledirt says...

nickynoodah wrote:
You need the place fumigating Sam its killing you


Bacteria Carried By Cockroaches

At least 32 species of bacteria have been isolated from cockroaches in domestic environments. These include:
•Aeromonas spp., cause wound and other infections, diarrhea.
•Alcaligenes faecalis, causes of gastroenteritis, urinary tract infections.
•Bacillus cerreus, causes food poisoning.

•Bacillus subtilis, causes conjunctivitis.
•Campylobacter jejuni, causes enteritis.
•Clostridium perfringens, causes food poisoning, gas gangrene.
•Enterobacter spp., cause bacteremia (temporary presence of bacteria in the blood, which is commonly followed by the development of various infections including abscesses).
•Enterococcus spp., cause urinary tract and wound infections.
•Escherichia coli, causes diarrhea, wound infections.
•Klebsiella spp., cause pneumonia and urinary tract infections.
•Mycobacterium leprae, causes leprosy.
•Morganella morganii, causes wound infections
•Nocardia spp., causes actinomycetoma (chronic infection of the skin and underlying tissues).
•Oligella urethralis, may cause bacteremia, septic arthritis that mimics gonococcal arthritis, and peritonitis.4
•Pantoea
• spp., cause wound infections.
•Proteus rettgeri, causes wound infections.
•Proteus vulgaris, causes wound infections.
•Proteus mirabilis, causes wound infections, gastroenteritis.
•Pseudomonas spp., cause respiratory infections, gastroenteritis.
•Salmonella spp., cause gastroenteritis, food poisoning
•Salmonella typhi, causes typhoid.
•Salmonella pyogenes, causes pneumonia.
•Serratia spp., cause food poisoning.
•Shigella dysenteriae, causes disentery
•Sphyngobacterium spp., causes sepsis (presence in the blood or other tissues of pathogenic microorganisms or their toxins).
•Staphylococcus aureus, causes wound infections, skin infections, infections of internal organ.
•Staphylococcus epidermalis, causes wound infections.
•Streptococcus faecalis and other species, cause pneumonia.
•Yersinia pestis (isolated from oriental cockroach), causes plague

Worms, Protozoa, Fungi, and
Wow I'll file this comment.And hopefully fit it in to a conversation down the pub
[quote][p][bold]nickynoodah[/bold] wrote: You need the place fumigating Sam its killing you Bacteria Carried By Cockroaches At least 32 species of bacteria have been isolated from cockroaches in domestic environments. These include: •Aeromonas spp., cause wound and other infections, diarrhea. •Alcaligenes faecalis, causes of gastroenteritis, urinary tract infections. •Bacillus cerreus, causes food poisoning. • •Bacillus subtilis, causes conjunctivitis. •Campylobacter jejuni, causes enteritis. •Clostridium perfringens, causes food poisoning, gas gangrene. •Enterobacter spp., cause bacteremia (temporary presence of bacteria in the blood, which is commonly followed by the development of various infections including abscesses). •Enterococcus spp., cause urinary tract and wound infections. •Escherichia coli, causes diarrhea, wound infections. •Klebsiella spp., cause pneumonia and urinary tract infections. •Mycobacterium leprae, causes leprosy. •Morganella morganii, causes wound infections •Nocardia spp., causes actinomycetoma (chronic infection of the skin and underlying tissues). •Oligella urethralis, may cause bacteremia, septic arthritis that mimics gonococcal arthritis, and peritonitis.4 •Pantoea • spp., cause wound infections. •Proteus rettgeri, causes wound infections. •Proteus vulgaris, causes wound infections. •Proteus mirabilis, causes wound infections, gastroenteritis. •Pseudomonas spp., cause respiratory infections, gastroenteritis. •Salmonella spp., cause gastroenteritis, food poisoning •Salmonella typhi, causes typhoid. •Salmonella pyogenes, causes pneumonia. •Serratia spp., cause food poisoning. •Shigella dysenteriae, causes disentery •Sphyngobacterium spp., causes sepsis (presence in the blood or other tissues of pathogenic microorganisms or their toxins). •Staphylococcus aureus, causes wound infections, skin infections, infections of internal organ. •Staphylococcus epidermalis, causes wound infections. •Streptococcus faecalis and other species, cause pneumonia. •Yersinia pestis (isolated from oriental cockroach), causes plague Worms, Protozoa, Fungi, and[/p][/quote]Wow I'll file this comment.And hopefully fit it in to a conversation down the pub kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 0

8:48pm Tue 29 Jul 14

kalebmoledirt says...

nickynoodah wrote:
You need the place fumigating Sam its killing you


Bacteria Carried By Cockroaches

At least 32 species of bacteria have been isolated from cockroaches in domestic environments. These include:
•Aeromonas spp., cause wound and other infections, diarrhea.
•Alcaligenes faecalis, causes of gastroenteritis, urinary tract infections.
•Bacillus cerreus, causes food poisoning.

•Bacillus subtilis, causes conjunctivitis.
•Campylobacter jejuni, causes enteritis.
•Clostridium perfringens, causes food poisoning, gas gangrene.
•Enterobacter spp., cause bacteremia (temporary presence of bacteria in the blood, which is commonly followed by the development of various infections including abscesses).
•Enterococcus spp., cause urinary tract and wound infections.
•Escherichia coli, causes diarrhea, wound infections.
•Klebsiella spp., cause pneumonia and urinary tract infections.
•Mycobacterium leprae, causes leprosy.
•Morganella morganii, causes wound infections
•Nocardia spp., causes actinomycetoma (chronic infection of the skin and underlying tissues).
•Oligella urethralis, may cause bacteremia, septic arthritis that mimics gonococcal arthritis, and peritonitis.4
•Pantoea
• spp., cause wound infections.
•Proteus rettgeri, causes wound infections.
•Proteus vulgaris, causes wound infections.
•Proteus mirabilis, causes wound infections, gastroenteritis.
•Pseudomonas spp., cause respiratory infections, gastroenteritis.
•Salmonella spp., cause gastroenteritis, food poisoning
•Salmonella typhi, causes typhoid.
•Salmonella pyogenes, causes pneumonia.
•Serratia spp., cause food poisoning.
•Shigella dysenteriae, causes disentery
•Sphyngobacterium spp., causes sepsis (presence in the blood or other tissues of pathogenic microorganisms or their toxins).
•Staphylococcus aureus, causes wound infections, skin infections, infections of internal organ.
•Staphylococcus epidermalis, causes wound infections.
•Streptococcus faecalis and other species, cause pneumonia.
•Yersinia pestis (isolated from oriental cockroach), causes plague

Worms, Protozoa, Fungi, and
Wow I'll file this comment.And hopefully fit it in to a conversation down the pub
[quote][p][bold]nickynoodah[/bold] wrote: You need the place fumigating Sam its killing you Bacteria Carried By Cockroaches At least 32 species of bacteria have been isolated from cockroaches in domestic environments. These include: •Aeromonas spp., cause wound and other infections, diarrhea. •Alcaligenes faecalis, causes of gastroenteritis, urinary tract infections. •Bacillus cerreus, causes food poisoning. • •Bacillus subtilis, causes conjunctivitis. •Campylobacter jejuni, causes enteritis. •Clostridium perfringens, causes food poisoning, gas gangrene. •Enterobacter spp., cause bacteremia (temporary presence of bacteria in the blood, which is commonly followed by the development of various infections including abscesses). •Enterococcus spp., cause urinary tract and wound infections. •Escherichia coli, causes diarrhea, wound infections. •Klebsiella spp., cause pneumonia and urinary tract infections. •Mycobacterium leprae, causes leprosy. •Morganella morganii, causes wound infections •Nocardia spp., causes actinomycetoma (chronic infection of the skin and underlying tissues). •Oligella urethralis, may cause bacteremia, septic arthritis that mimics gonococcal arthritis, and peritonitis.4 •Pantoea • spp., cause wound infections. •Proteus rettgeri, causes wound infections. •Proteus vulgaris, causes wound infections. •Proteus mirabilis, causes wound infections, gastroenteritis. •Pseudomonas spp., cause respiratory infections, gastroenteritis. •Salmonella spp., cause gastroenteritis, food poisoning •Salmonella typhi, causes typhoid. •Salmonella pyogenes, causes pneumonia. •Serratia spp., cause food poisoning. •Shigella dysenteriae, causes disentery •Sphyngobacterium spp., causes sepsis (presence in the blood or other tissues of pathogenic microorganisms or their toxins). •Staphylococcus aureus, causes wound infections, skin infections, infections of internal organ. •Staphylococcus epidermalis, causes wound infections. •Streptococcus faecalis and other species, cause pneumonia. •Yersinia pestis (isolated from oriental cockroach), causes plague Worms, Protozoa, Fungi, and[/p][/quote]Wow I'll file this comment.And hopefully fit it in to a conversation down the pub kalebmoledirt
  • Score: -1

9:07pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Boscomite says...

uvox44 wrote:
Boscomite - there certainly would be less livestock around, apart from the odd pet sheep, cow or pig true but then we don't eat another large animal often seen in fields and they don't seem to have become extinct do they?
ps your logic is flawed , you can't be cruel to something that doesn't exist.
To follow on from your own logic. The person who kills the last remaining White Rhino, will be doing the species a favour, as it will no longer be subjected to any act of cruelty.
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote: Boscomite - there certainly would be less livestock around, apart from the odd pet sheep, cow or pig true but then we don't eat another large animal often seen in fields and they don't seem to have become extinct do they? ps your logic is flawed , you can't be cruel to something that doesn't exist.[/p][/quote]To follow on from your own logic. The person who kills the last remaining White Rhino, will be doing the species a favour, as it will no longer be subjected to any act of cruelty. Boscomite
  • Score: -4

9:18pm Tue 29 Jul 14

bobthedestroyer says...

Not sure what the relevance of being a vegan is to the story. Cockroaches in a loaf of bread are not good for anyone unless you like to eat cockroaches.
Not sure what the relevance of being a vegan is to the story. Cockroaches in a loaf of bread are not good for anyone unless you like to eat cockroaches. bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 4

9:27pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Sir Cliff West says...

MrPitiful says...
To be honest, I reckon the reason a lot of "vegetarians" or "vegans" announce what they are in restaurants - and it is true as I have heard this myself on more than one occasions - is purely for attention. As though we as other diners should admire their cause and commitment.

....

You've hit the nail on the head. It's similar to someone who gives to charity but then tells everyone they've done it.
Vegetarians and vegans use every oppertunity to blow their own trumpet like they need the adoration as a drug to keep going.
It is pure attention seeking.

The main attention seekers of 'going veggie' are teenagers who crave attention, usually girls that if the attention isn't forthcoming will cut their arms or take a paracetomol overdose to get it.

Anyone over 30 who is still banging that old drum is very odd, probably unmarriable and wearing stripey tights and calling their cat 'the best friend I've ever had.

Stay well clear of them.
MrPitiful says... To be honest, I reckon the reason a lot of "vegetarians" or "vegans" announce what they are in restaurants - and it is true as I have heard this myself on more than one occasions - is purely for attention. As though we as other diners should admire their cause and commitment. .... You've hit the nail on the head. It's similar to someone who gives to charity but then tells everyone they've done it. Vegetarians and vegans use every oppertunity to blow their own trumpet like they need the adoration as a drug to keep going. It is pure attention seeking. The main attention seekers of 'going veggie' are teenagers who crave attention, usually girls that if the attention isn't forthcoming will cut their arms or take a paracetomol overdose to get it. Anyone over 30 who is still banging that old drum is very odd, probably unmarriable and wearing stripey tights and calling their cat 'the best friend I've ever had. Stay well clear of them. Sir Cliff West
  • Score: 3

10:44pm Tue 29 Jul 14

nickynoodah says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
nickynoodah wrote:
You need the place fumigating Sam its killing you


Bacteria Carried By Cockroaches

At least 32 species of bacteria have been isolated from cockroaches in domestic environments. These include:
•Aeromonas spp., cause wound and other infections, diarrhea.
•Alcaligenes faecalis, causes of gastroenteritis, urinary tract infections.
•Bacillus cerreus, causes food poisoning.

•Bacillus subtilis, causes conjunctivitis.
•Campylobacter jejuni, causes enteritis.
•Clostridium perfringens, causes food poisoning, gas gangrene.
•Enterobacter spp., cause bacteremia (temporary presence of bacteria in the blood, which is commonly followed by the development of various infections including abscesses).
•Enterococcus spp., cause urinary tract and wound infections.
•Escherichia coli, causes diarrhea, wound infections.
•Klebsiella spp., cause pneumonia and urinary tract infections.
•Mycobacterium leprae, causes leprosy.
•Morganella morganii, causes wound infections
•Nocardia spp., causes actinomycetoma (chronic infection of the skin and underlying tissues).
•Oligella urethralis, may cause bacteremia, septic arthritis that mimics gonococcal arthritis, and peritonitis.4
•Pantoea
• spp., cause wound infections.
•Proteus rettgeri, causes wound infections.
•Proteus vulgaris, causes wound infections.
•Proteus mirabilis, causes wound infections, gastroenteritis.
•Pseudomonas spp., cause respiratory infections, gastroenteritis.
•Salmonella spp., cause gastroenteritis, food poisoning
•Salmonella typhi, causes typhoid.
•Salmonella pyogenes, causes pneumonia.
•Serratia spp., cause food poisoning.
•Shigella dysenteriae, causes disentery
•Sphyngobacterium spp., causes sepsis (presence in the blood or other tissues of pathogenic microorganisms or their toxins).
•Staphylococcus aureus, causes wound infections, skin infections, infections of internal organ.
•Staphylococcus epidermalis, causes wound infections.
•Streptococcus faecalis and other species, cause pneumonia.
•Yersinia pestis (isolated from oriental cockroach), causes plague

Worms, Protozoa, Fungi, and
Wow I'll file this comment.And hopefully fit it in to a conversation down the pub
Don't forget your 4x2 George
you might need it you know
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nickynoodah[/bold] wrote: You need the place fumigating Sam its killing you Bacteria Carried By Cockroaches At least 32 species of bacteria have been isolated from cockroaches in domestic environments. These include: •Aeromonas spp., cause wound and other infections, diarrhea. •Alcaligenes faecalis, causes of gastroenteritis, urinary tract infections. •Bacillus cerreus, causes food poisoning. • •Bacillus subtilis, causes conjunctivitis. •Campylobacter jejuni, causes enteritis. •Clostridium perfringens, causes food poisoning, gas gangrene. •Enterobacter spp., cause bacteremia (temporary presence of bacteria in the blood, which is commonly followed by the development of various infections including abscesses). •Enterococcus spp., cause urinary tract and wound infections. •Escherichia coli, causes diarrhea, wound infections. •Klebsiella spp., cause pneumonia and urinary tract infections. •Mycobacterium leprae, causes leprosy. •Morganella morganii, causes wound infections •Nocardia spp., causes actinomycetoma (chronic infection of the skin and underlying tissues). •Oligella urethralis, may cause bacteremia, septic arthritis that mimics gonococcal arthritis, and peritonitis.4 •Pantoea • spp., cause wound infections. •Proteus rettgeri, causes wound infections. •Proteus vulgaris, causes wound infections. •Proteus mirabilis, causes wound infections, gastroenteritis. •Pseudomonas spp., cause respiratory infections, gastroenteritis. •Salmonella spp., cause gastroenteritis, food poisoning •Salmonella typhi, causes typhoid. •Salmonella pyogenes, causes pneumonia. •Serratia spp., cause food poisoning. •Shigella dysenteriae, causes disentery •Sphyngobacterium spp., causes sepsis (presence in the blood or other tissues of pathogenic microorganisms or their toxins). •Staphylococcus aureus, causes wound infections, skin infections, infections of internal organ. •Staphylococcus epidermalis, causes wound infections. •Streptococcus faecalis and other species, cause pneumonia. •Yersinia pestis (isolated from oriental cockroach), causes plague Worms, Protozoa, Fungi, and[/p][/quote]Wow I'll file this comment.And hopefully fit it in to a conversation down the pub[/p][/quote]Don't forget your 4x2 George you might need it you know nickynoodah
  • Score: -3

11:25pm Tue 29 Jul 14

adspacebroker says...

And......
And...... adspacebroker
  • Score: -1

11:27pm Tue 29 Jul 14

ragj195 says...

Sir Cliff West wrote:
MrPitiful says...
To be honest, I reckon the reason a lot of "vegetarians" or "vegans" announce what they are in restaurants - and it is true as I have heard this myself on more than one occasions - is purely for attention. As though we as other diners should admire their cause and commitment.

....

You've hit the nail on the head. It's similar to someone who gives to charity but then tells everyone they've done it.
Vegetarians and vegans use every oppertunity to blow their own trumpet like they need the adoration as a drug to keep going.
It is pure attention seeking.

The main attention seekers of 'going veggie' are teenagers who crave attention, usually girls that if the attention isn't forthcoming will cut their arms or take a paracetomol overdose to get it.

Anyone over 30 who is still banging that old drum is very odd, probably unmarriable and wearing stripey tights and calling their cat 'the best friend I've ever had.

Stay well clear of them.
I'm not a vegetarian but my wife and children are. I think you'll find the opposite of what you say is the reality. When people find out my kids don't eat meat I'm often interrogated about why. As if it's some sort of criticism of their own and their children's choice to eat meat. Simply saying because I don't want them to isn't enough to shut them up. The most common response is "why not let them decide if they want to or not". I have to explain the reasons behind it. Well, one is five and the other is eight. They don't really understand how much crap is in party sausage but when they're older if the want to shove a Big Mac in their mouths they can. Until then it's my choice and the fact it's "normal" for a kid to eat meat doesn't make it right. When you look at the type of "meat" kids eat these days it's pretty clear that the majority of it isn't good for them.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Cliff West[/bold] wrote: MrPitiful says... To be honest, I reckon the reason a lot of "vegetarians" or "vegans" announce what they are in restaurants - and it is true as I have heard this myself on more than one occasions - is purely for attention. As though we as other diners should admire their cause and commitment. .... You've hit the nail on the head. It's similar to someone who gives to charity but then tells everyone they've done it. Vegetarians and vegans use every oppertunity to blow their own trumpet like they need the adoration as a drug to keep going. It is pure attention seeking. The main attention seekers of 'going veggie' are teenagers who crave attention, usually girls that if the attention isn't forthcoming will cut their arms or take a paracetomol overdose to get it. Anyone over 30 who is still banging that old drum is very odd, probably unmarriable and wearing stripey tights and calling their cat 'the best friend I've ever had. Stay well clear of them.[/p][/quote]I'm not a vegetarian but my wife and children are. I think you'll find the opposite of what you say is the reality. When people find out my kids don't eat meat I'm often interrogated about why. As if it's some sort of criticism of their own and their children's choice to eat meat. Simply saying because I don't want them to isn't enough to shut them up. The most common response is "why not let them decide if they want to or not". I have to explain the reasons behind it. Well, one is five and the other is eight. They don't really understand how much crap is in party sausage but when they're older if the want to shove a Big Mac in their mouths they can. Until then it's my choice and the fact it's "normal" for a kid to eat meat doesn't make it right. When you look at the type of "meat" kids eat these days it's pretty clear that the majority of it isn't good for them. ragj195
  • Score: -2

11:44pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Boscomite says...

Why is it, that when you go to a steak house, there's always a vegetarian option, but there's never a meat option in vegetarian restaurant?
Why is it, that when you go to a steak house, there's always a vegetarian option, but there's never a meat option in vegetarian restaurant? Boscomite
  • Score: 4

11:56pm Tue 29 Jul 14

cheeriedriteup says...

It was put there, it isn't the size of a 50 pence piece, yawn, get a life ( and the people reading this )
It was put there, it isn't the size of a 50 pence piece, yawn, get a life ( and the people reading this ) cheeriedriteup
  • Score: 2

6:17am Wed 30 Jul 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

ragj195 wrote:
Sir Cliff West wrote:
MrPitiful says...
To be honest, I reckon the reason a lot of "vegetarians" or "vegans" announce what they are in restaurants - and it is true as I have heard this myself on more than one occasions - is purely for attention. As though we as other diners should admire their cause and commitment.

....

You've hit the nail on the head. It's similar to someone who gives to charity but then tells everyone they've done it.
Vegetarians and vegans use every oppertunity to blow their own trumpet like they need the adoration as a drug to keep going.
It is pure attention seeking.

The main attention seekers of 'going veggie' are teenagers who crave attention, usually girls that if the attention isn't forthcoming will cut their arms or take a paracetomol overdose to get it.

Anyone over 30 who is still banging that old drum is very odd, probably unmarriable and wearing stripey tights and calling their cat 'the best friend I've ever had.

Stay well clear of them.
I'm not a vegetarian but my wife and children are. I think you'll find the opposite of what you say is the reality. When people find out my kids don't eat meat I'm often interrogated about why. As if it's some sort of criticism of their own and their children's choice to eat meat. Simply saying because I don't want them to isn't enough to shut them up. The most common response is "why not let them decide if they want to or not". I have to explain the reasons behind it. Well, one is five and the other is eight. They don't really understand how much crap is in party sausage but when they're older if the want to shove a Big Mac in their mouths they can. Until then it's my choice and the fact it's "normal" for a kid to eat meat doesn't make it right. When you look at the type of "meat" kids eat these days it's pretty clear that the majority of it isn't good for them.
Kingsmill "plastic" bread is also full of crap. Unless you prepare all your meals from scratch you never know what you are actually eating!
[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Cliff West[/bold] wrote: MrPitiful says... To be honest, I reckon the reason a lot of "vegetarians" or "vegans" announce what they are in restaurants - and it is true as I have heard this myself on more than one occasions - is purely for attention. As though we as other diners should admire their cause and commitment. .... You've hit the nail on the head. It's similar to someone who gives to charity but then tells everyone they've done it. Vegetarians and vegans use every oppertunity to blow their own trumpet like they need the adoration as a drug to keep going. It is pure attention seeking. The main attention seekers of 'going veggie' are teenagers who crave attention, usually girls that if the attention isn't forthcoming will cut their arms or take a paracetomol overdose to get it. Anyone over 30 who is still banging that old drum is very odd, probably unmarriable and wearing stripey tights and calling their cat 'the best friend I've ever had. Stay well clear of them.[/p][/quote]I'm not a vegetarian but my wife and children are. I think you'll find the opposite of what you say is the reality. When people find out my kids don't eat meat I'm often interrogated about why. As if it's some sort of criticism of their own and their children's choice to eat meat. Simply saying because I don't want them to isn't enough to shut them up. The most common response is "why not let them decide if they want to or not". I have to explain the reasons behind it. Well, one is five and the other is eight. They don't really understand how much crap is in party sausage but when they're older if the want to shove a Big Mac in their mouths they can. Until then it's my choice and the fact it's "normal" for a kid to eat meat doesn't make it right. When you look at the type of "meat" kids eat these days it's pretty clear that the majority of it isn't good for them.[/p][/quote]Kingsmill "plastic" bread is also full of crap. Unless you prepare all your meals from scratch you never know what you are actually eating! fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 1

7:54am Wed 30 Jul 14

Lord Spring says...

One last point was the cockroach cooked if so how come it was in one piece after passing through the blades of the cutting machine after which it is instantly wrapped and sealed. How could it have got between the clamped slices of bread between cutting and wrapping.

Is someone telling porkies. (better not go there might start ultravox off)
One last point was the cockroach cooked if so how come it was in one piece after passing through the blades of the cutting machine after which it is instantly wrapped and sealed. How could it have got between the clamped slices of bread between cutting and wrapping. Is someone telling porkies. (better not go there might start ultravox off) Lord Spring
  • Score: 5

8:00am Wed 30 Jul 14

Stereotyped says...

Boscomite wrote:
Why is it, that when you go to a steak house, there's always a vegetarian option, but there's never a meat option in vegetarian restaurant?
So true!

If 'they' expect to be catered for in a steak house when going out with friends...it is only fair that meat eaters are catered for in a veggy restaurant.

p.s. 'lol' at my first comment being removed out "That's a bloke!?"
[quote][p][bold]Boscomite[/bold] wrote: Why is it, that when you go to a steak house, there's always a vegetarian option, but there's never a meat option in vegetarian restaurant?[/p][/quote]So true! If 'they' expect to be catered for in a steak house when going out with friends...it is only fair that meat eaters are catered for in a veggy restaurant. p.s. 'lol' at my first comment being removed out "That's a bloke!?" Stereotyped
  • Score: 3

8:16am Wed 30 Jul 14

nickynoodah says...

Boscomite wrote:
Why is it, that when you go to a steak house, there's always a vegetarian option, but there's never a meat option in vegetarian restaurant?
Because vegetarian restaurant's only sell cabbage lettuce nuts dandelion leaves and grass
if you don't mind looking like an emaciated walking skeleton its fine

more fresh new laid eggs, steak, chicken, and pork chops with kidney still there , in bread crumbs for Mr Noodah
[quote][p][bold]Boscomite[/bold] wrote: Why is it, that when you go to a steak house, there's always a vegetarian option, but there's never a meat option in vegetarian restaurant?[/p][/quote]Because vegetarian restaurant's only sell cabbage lettuce nuts dandelion leaves and grass if you don't mind looking like an emaciated walking skeleton its fine more fresh new laid eggs, steak, chicken, and pork chops with kidney still there , in bread crumbs for Mr Noodah nickynoodah
  • Score: -2

9:01am Wed 30 Jul 14

Stereotyped says...

ragj195 wrote:
Sir Cliff West wrote:
MrPitiful says...
To be honest, I reckon the reason a lot of "vegetarians" or "vegans" announce what they are in restaurants - and it is true as I have heard this myself on more than one occasions - is purely for attention. As though we as other diners should admire their cause and commitment.

....

You've hit the nail on the head. It's similar to someone who gives to charity but then tells everyone they've done it.
Vegetarians and vegans use every oppertunity to blow their own trumpet like they need the adoration as a drug to keep going.
It is pure attention seeking.

The main attention seekers of 'going veggie' are teenagers who crave attention, usually girls that if the attention isn't forthcoming will cut their arms or take a paracetomol overdose to get it.

Anyone over 30 who is still banging that old drum is very odd, probably unmarriable and wearing stripey tights and calling their cat 'the best friend I've ever had.

Stay well clear of them.
I'm not a vegetarian but my wife and children are. I think you'll find the opposite of what you say is the reality. When people find out my kids don't eat meat I'm often interrogated about why. As if it's some sort of criticism of their own and their children's choice to eat meat. Simply saying because I don't want them to isn't enough to shut them up. The most common response is "why not let them decide if they want to or not". I have to explain the reasons behind it. Well, one is five and the other is eight. They don't really understand how much crap is in party sausage but when they're older if the want to shove a Big Mac in their mouths they can. Until then it's my choice and the fact it's "normal" for a kid to eat meat doesn't make it right. When you look at the type of "meat" kids eat these days it's pretty clear that the majority of it isn't good for them.
Buy your kids proper meat then...?

Processed meats are crap, just like any other processed food. Do you let them eat sweets, crisps etc? If you do, your argument contradicts itself as they are just as bad, in your case, as processed party sausages.

A proper bit of chicken, not nuggets etc... a proper bit of steak, not pre packed burgers etc...

As a parent, you should know better.
[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Cliff West[/bold] wrote: MrPitiful says... To be honest, I reckon the reason a lot of "vegetarians" or "vegans" announce what they are in restaurants - and it is true as I have heard this myself on more than one occasions - is purely for attention. As though we as other diners should admire their cause and commitment. .... You've hit the nail on the head. It's similar to someone who gives to charity but then tells everyone they've done it. Vegetarians and vegans use every oppertunity to blow their own trumpet like they need the adoration as a drug to keep going. It is pure attention seeking. The main attention seekers of 'going veggie' are teenagers who crave attention, usually girls that if the attention isn't forthcoming will cut their arms or take a paracetomol overdose to get it. Anyone over 30 who is still banging that old drum is very odd, probably unmarriable and wearing stripey tights and calling their cat 'the best friend I've ever had. Stay well clear of them.[/p][/quote]I'm not a vegetarian but my wife and children are. I think you'll find the opposite of what you say is the reality. When people find out my kids don't eat meat I'm often interrogated about why. As if it's some sort of criticism of their own and their children's choice to eat meat. Simply saying because I don't want them to isn't enough to shut them up. The most common response is "why not let them decide if they want to or not". I have to explain the reasons behind it. Well, one is five and the other is eight. They don't really understand how much crap is in party sausage but when they're older if the want to shove a Big Mac in their mouths they can. Until then it's my choice and the fact it's "normal" for a kid to eat meat doesn't make it right. When you look at the type of "meat" kids eat these days it's pretty clear that the majority of it isn't good for them.[/p][/quote]Buy your kids proper meat then...? Processed meats are crap, just like any other processed food. Do you let them eat sweets, crisps etc? If you do, your argument contradicts itself as they are just as bad, in your case, as processed party sausages. A proper bit of chicken, not nuggets etc... a proper bit of steak, not pre packed burgers etc... As a parent, you should know better. Stereotyped
  • Score: 6

9:42am Wed 30 Jul 14

BarrHumbug says...

ragj195 wrote:
Sir Cliff West wrote:
MrPitiful says...
To be honest, I reckon the reason a lot of "vegetarians" or "vegans" announce what they are in restaurants - and it is true as I have heard this myself on more than one occasions - is purely for attention. As though we as other diners should admire their cause and commitment.

....

You've hit the nail on the head. It's similar to someone who gives to charity but then tells everyone they've done it.
Vegetarians and vegans use every oppertunity to blow their own trumpet like they need the adoration as a drug to keep going.
It is pure attention seeking.

The main attention seekers of 'going veggie' are teenagers who crave attention, usually girls that if the attention isn't forthcoming will cut their arms or take a paracetomol overdose to get it.

Anyone over 30 who is still banging that old drum is very odd, probably unmarriable and wearing stripey tights and calling their cat 'the best friend I've ever had.

Stay well clear of them.
I'm not a vegetarian but my wife and children are. I think you'll find the opposite of what you say is the reality. When people find out my kids don't eat meat I'm often interrogated about why. As if it's some sort of criticism of their own and their children's choice to eat meat. Simply saying because I don't want them to isn't enough to shut them up. The most common response is "why not let them decide if they want to or not". I have to explain the reasons behind it. Well, one is five and the other is eight. They don't really understand how much crap is in party sausage but when they're older if the want to shove a Big Mac in their mouths they can. Until then it's my choice and the fact it's "normal" for a kid to eat meat doesn't make it right. When you look at the type of "meat" kids eat these days it's pretty clear that the majority of it isn't good for them.
"When you look at the type of "meat" kids eat these days it's pretty clear that the majority of it isn't good for them."

So as a meat eater yourself is that the type of "meat" you eat.....No? So why would you feed it to your kids?

Its no wonder you get the responses you do from parents when you make the assumption that they all feed their kids poor quality heavily processed meat diets. That would be like me saying to you or your wife "so your kids are vegetarians, do you just feed them chips, chocolate, crisps and biscuits then?"
[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Cliff West[/bold] wrote: MrPitiful says... To be honest, I reckon the reason a lot of "vegetarians" or "vegans" announce what they are in restaurants - and it is true as I have heard this myself on more than one occasions - is purely for attention. As though we as other diners should admire their cause and commitment. .... You've hit the nail on the head. It's similar to someone who gives to charity but then tells everyone they've done it. Vegetarians and vegans use every oppertunity to blow their own trumpet like they need the adoration as a drug to keep going. It is pure attention seeking. The main attention seekers of 'going veggie' are teenagers who crave attention, usually girls that if the attention isn't forthcoming will cut their arms or take a paracetomol overdose to get it. Anyone over 30 who is still banging that old drum is very odd, probably unmarriable and wearing stripey tights and calling their cat 'the best friend I've ever had. Stay well clear of them.[/p][/quote]I'm not a vegetarian but my wife and children are. I think you'll find the opposite of what you say is the reality. When people find out my kids don't eat meat I'm often interrogated about why. As if it's some sort of criticism of their own and their children's choice to eat meat. Simply saying because I don't want them to isn't enough to shut them up. The most common response is "why not let them decide if they want to or not". I have to explain the reasons behind it. Well, one is five and the other is eight. They don't really understand how much crap is in party sausage but when they're older if the want to shove a Big Mac in their mouths they can. Until then it's my choice and the fact it's "normal" for a kid to eat meat doesn't make it right. When you look at the type of "meat" kids eat these days it's pretty clear that the majority of it isn't good for them.[/p][/quote]"When you look at the type of "meat" kids eat these days it's pretty clear that the majority of it isn't good for them." So as a meat eater yourself is that the type of "meat" you eat.....No? So why would you feed it to your kids? Its no wonder you get the responses you do from parents when you make the assumption that they all feed their kids poor quality heavily processed meat diets. That would be like me saying to you or your wife "so your kids are vegetarians, do you just feed them chips, chocolate, crisps and biscuits then?" BarrHumbug
  • Score: 2

10:41am Wed 30 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

Maybe Sir Cliff, Niki , etc could form a special club where they could get together and spew their childish hatred at anything/anyone who doesn't fit in with their rightwing Daily Mail/UKIP "common"sense view of the world. They could seal themselves off from any informed or factual debate so reason doesn't pollute their prejudices and could sit round grinning smugly at their cynicism and cleverness. Oh mind you maybe they already have....in the meantime the world will continue to embrace better ways of living and behaving , such as the rise of veganism, (look it up if you don't believe me) and they will be left where they belong as the reactionary dinosaurs and sad and bitter cynics that they are.
Maybe Sir Cliff, Niki , etc could form a special club where they could get together and spew their childish hatred at anything/anyone who doesn't fit in with their rightwing Daily Mail/UKIP "common"sense view of the world. They could seal themselves off from any informed or factual debate so reason doesn't pollute their prejudices and could sit round grinning smugly at their cynicism and cleverness. Oh mind you maybe they already have....in the meantime the world will continue to embrace better ways of living and behaving , such as the rise of veganism, (look it up if you don't believe me) and they will be left where they belong as the reactionary dinosaurs and sad and bitter cynics that they are. uvox44
  • Score: -4

11:17am Wed 30 Jul 14

speedy231278 says...

So, as usual, someone finds something wrong with a mass-produced product that could have happened anywhere between being packed and being consumed, and thinks, oooh, five mins of fame and loads of lovely compo!

Swap the loaf, and go back to your bland pulses and tofu!
So, as usual, someone finds something wrong with a mass-produced product that could have happened anywhere between being packed and being consumed, and thinks, oooh, five mins of fame and loads of lovely compo! Swap the loaf, and go back to your bland pulses and tofu! speedy231278
  • Score: 1

12:21pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Stereotyped says...

uvox44 wrote:
Maybe Sir Cliff, Niki , etc could form a special club where they could get together and spew their childish hatred at anything/anyone who doesn't fit in with their rightwing Daily Mail/UKIP "common"sense view of the world. They could seal themselves off from any informed or factual debate so reason doesn't pollute their prejudices and could sit round grinning smugly at their cynicism and cleverness. Oh mind you maybe they already have....in the meantime the world will continue to embrace better ways of living and behaving , such as the rise of veganism, (look it up if you don't believe me) and they will be left where they belong as the reactionary dinosaurs and sad and bitter cynics that they are.
What makes it a better way of living?

If you want to make a swooping statement slating meat eaters...please have a god come back as to why not eating meat is a good thing.

Humans are supposed to eat meat, it's why we have canines in our jaws and a stomach capable of processing the meat.

If you choose...choose...to not eat properly, don't claim it is a 'better' thing, it's not.

Case in point, I know of a few vegans and none of them look healthy at all, just take a look at the 'man' in the picture of this very article.
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote: Maybe Sir Cliff, Niki , etc could form a special club where they could get together and spew their childish hatred at anything/anyone who doesn't fit in with their rightwing Daily Mail/UKIP "common"sense view of the world. They could seal themselves off from any informed or factual debate so reason doesn't pollute their prejudices and could sit round grinning smugly at their cynicism and cleverness. Oh mind you maybe they already have....in the meantime the world will continue to embrace better ways of living and behaving , such as the rise of veganism, (look it up if you don't believe me) and they will be left where they belong as the reactionary dinosaurs and sad and bitter cynics that they are.[/p][/quote]What makes it a better way of living? If you want to make a swooping statement slating meat eaters...please have a god come back as to why not eating meat is a good thing. Humans are supposed to eat meat, it's why we have canines in our jaws and a stomach capable of processing the meat. If you choose...choose...to not eat properly, don't claim it is a 'better' thing, it's not. Case in point, I know of a few vegans and none of them look healthy at all, just take a look at the 'man' in the picture of this very article. Stereotyped
  • Score: 3

12:46pm Wed 30 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

stereotyped - we can eat meat , we aren't "meant to" as you boldly state. If you care to read my post above you'd see I have already answered your questions but , once again, meat rearing is a huge burden on land resources, water supply, causes co2 and methane polution adding to greenhouse gases, causes run off and pollution , causes suffering to the animals involved, eating meat , especially red meat, is a major factor in heart disease,raised blood pressure etc, (unless all the scientists and doctors are part of some conspiracy and liars?!) , - does that answer your question!? As for personal observations about how healthy people look on various diets ( i prefer to trust scientific studies personally) - have a look at some of the people in KFC next time you wander past (in?)
I presume from your snidey comment about the man in the article that you are one of these "macho" meat eaters that in your sad mind thinks eating meat makes you a virile hunter (rather than another supermarket shopper) ? He looks perfectly healthy to me (though white bread wouldn't be my choice) and a correct weight- maybe you are confused by all the obese people around who eat meat?
stereotyped - we can eat meat , we aren't "meant to" as you boldly state. If you care to read my post above you'd see I have already answered your questions but , once again, meat rearing is a huge burden on land resources, water supply, causes co2 and methane polution adding to greenhouse gases, causes run off and pollution , causes suffering to the animals involved, eating meat , especially red meat, is a major factor in heart disease,raised blood pressure etc, (unless all the scientists and doctors are part of some conspiracy and liars?!) , - does that answer your question!? As for personal observations about how healthy people look on various diets ( i prefer to trust scientific studies personally) - have a look at some of the people in KFC next time you wander past (in?) I presume from your snidey comment about the man in the article that you are one of these "macho" meat eaters that in your sad mind thinks eating meat makes you a virile hunter (rather than another supermarket shopper) ? He looks perfectly healthy to me (though white bread wouldn't be my choice) and a correct weight- maybe you are confused by all the obese people around who eat meat? uvox44
  • Score: -6

8:42am Thu 31 Jul 14

Stereotyped says...

uvox44 wrote:
stereotyped - we can eat meat , we aren't "meant to" as you boldly state. If you care to read my post above you'd see I have already answered your questions but , once again, meat rearing is a huge burden on land resources, water supply, causes co2 and methane polution adding to greenhouse gases, causes run off and pollution , causes suffering to the animals involved, eating meat , especially red meat, is a major factor in heart disease,raised blood pressure etc, (unless all the scientists and doctors are part of some conspiracy and liars?!) , - does that answer your question!? As for personal observations about how healthy people look on various diets ( i prefer to trust scientific studies personally) - have a look at some of the people in KFC next time you wander past (in?)
I presume from your snidey comment about the man in the article that you are one of these "macho" meat eaters that in your sad mind thinks eating meat makes you a virile hunter (rather than another supermarket shopper) ? He looks perfectly healthy to me (though white bread wouldn't be my choice) and a correct weight- maybe you are confused by all the obese people around who eat meat?
Big difference between eating meat and eating crap. I do not eat any KFC, McDonalds, Burger King or anything like that...

I eat 'proper' meat, which I cook myself. Chicken breasts, whole chickens, tuna steaks, cod fillets, steaks...

Your assumption that all meat eaters eat KFC is a snide comment in itself.

Also, you seem to have been brainwashed, as all vegans have been, to believe that eating any amount of red meat will cause you to keel over and die from a heart attack. It is all about something called moderation. I eat plenty of veg too, you know, but balance it with a healthy amount of animal protein.

Oh and if you think that the guy in this article looks 'healthy' I feel sorry for you. He is weedy as anything and bares more resemblance to a skeleton than a living human being.
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote: stereotyped - we can eat meat , we aren't "meant to" as you boldly state. If you care to read my post above you'd see I have already answered your questions but , once again, meat rearing is a huge burden on land resources, water supply, causes co2 and methane polution adding to greenhouse gases, causes run off and pollution , causes suffering to the animals involved, eating meat , especially red meat, is a major factor in heart disease,raised blood pressure etc, (unless all the scientists and doctors are part of some conspiracy and liars?!) , - does that answer your question!? As for personal observations about how healthy people look on various diets ( i prefer to trust scientific studies personally) - have a look at some of the people in KFC next time you wander past (in?) I presume from your snidey comment about the man in the article that you are one of these "macho" meat eaters that in your sad mind thinks eating meat makes you a virile hunter (rather than another supermarket shopper) ? He looks perfectly healthy to me (though white bread wouldn't be my choice) and a correct weight- maybe you are confused by all the obese people around who eat meat?[/p][/quote]Big difference between eating meat and eating crap. I do not eat any KFC, McDonalds, Burger King or anything like that... I eat 'proper' meat, which I cook myself. Chicken breasts, whole chickens, tuna steaks, cod fillets, steaks... Your assumption that all meat eaters eat KFC is a snide comment in itself. Also, you seem to have been brainwashed, as all vegans have been, to believe that eating any amount of red meat will cause you to keel over and die from a heart attack. It is all about something called moderation. I eat plenty of veg too, you know, but balance it with a healthy amount of animal protein. Oh and if you think that the guy in this article looks 'healthy' I feel sorry for you. He is weedy as anything and bares more resemblance to a skeleton than a living human being. Stereotyped
  • Score: 8

9:11am Thu 31 Jul 14

Stereotyped says...

One last thing... you said something along the lines of me thinking that by eating meat makes me some sort of virile hunter, rather than just another supermarket shopper...

I actually used to hunt and shoot, from as young as 10 years old, take the birds home, hang them, pluck them and eat them... So yes, you can actually call me a hunter gatherer

:)
One last thing... you said something along the lines of me thinking that by eating meat makes me some sort of virile hunter, rather than just another supermarket shopper... I actually used to hunt and shoot, from as young as 10 years old, take the birds home, hang them, pluck them and eat them... So yes, you can actually call me a hunter gatherer :) Stereotyped
  • Score: 5

11:09am Thu 31 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

I give up stereotyped, you consistently ignore the fact that you don't NEED meat (I've never said that in moderation it would harm you) but you DO NOT NEED it - if you did I would have keeled over years ago but instead I am as healthy as the next person, probably more so so please explain- is my physiology somehow different form everyone elses? NO Are the bodies of all the other humans who don't eat meat and stay prefectly healthy any different- NO! Is your statement incorrect- YES!
Watching the elite distance runners at the Commonwealth games not doubt you think they look "weedy" as well as they are ultra-thin?
As for you hunting then ironically I have some respect for meat-eaters who at least kill what they eat ( although i don't agree with the necessity) rather than turning a blind eye and letting someone else do their killing for them behind closed walls in disgusting slaughterhouse.
I notice that you have made no comment on the other issues i have raised- I think that speaks volumes! Anyway luckily more and more people are seeing the sense in adopting a more compasionate way of life so over time I am very hopeful that the "hunter-gatherers" will be left in the past !
I give up stereotyped, you consistently ignore the fact that you don't NEED meat (I've never said that in moderation it would harm you) but you DO NOT NEED it - if you did I would have keeled over years ago but instead I am as healthy as the next person, probably more so so please explain- is my physiology somehow different form everyone elses? NO Are the bodies of all the other humans who don't eat meat and stay prefectly healthy any different- NO! Is your statement incorrect- YES! Watching the elite distance runners at the Commonwealth games not doubt you think they look "weedy" as well as they are ultra-thin? As for you hunting then ironically I have some respect for meat-eaters who at least kill what they eat ( although i don't agree with the necessity) rather than turning a blind eye and letting someone else do their killing for them behind closed walls in disgusting slaughterhouse. I notice that you have made no comment on the other issues i have raised- I think that speaks volumes! Anyway luckily more and more people are seeing the sense in adopting a more compasionate way of life so over time I am very hopeful that the "hunter-gatherers" will be left in the past ! uvox44
  • Score: -7

11:12am Thu 31 Jul 14

bodorgan says...

A true vegan would not eat Kingsmill sliced white bread which contains cows' milk.
A true vegan would not eat Kingsmill sliced white bread which contains cows' milk. bodorgan
  • Score: 1

12:48pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Stereotyped says...

uvox44 wrote:
I give up stereotyped, you consistently ignore the fact that you don't NEED meat (I've never said that in moderation it would harm you) but you DO NOT NEED it - if you did I would have keeled over years ago but instead I am as healthy as the next person, probably more so so please explain- is my physiology somehow different form everyone elses? NO Are the bodies of all the other humans who don't eat meat and stay prefectly healthy any different- NO! Is your statement incorrect- YES!
Watching the elite distance runners at the Commonwealth games not doubt you think they look "weedy" as well as they are ultra-thin?
As for you hunting then ironically I have some respect for meat-eaters who at least kill what they eat ( although i don't agree with the necessity) rather than turning a blind eye and letting someone else do their killing for them behind closed walls in disgusting slaughterhouse.
I notice that you have made no comment on the other issues i have raised- I think that speaks volumes! Anyway luckily more and more people are seeing the sense in adopting a more compasionate way of life so over time I am very hopeful that the "hunter-gatherers" will be left in the past !
Do you own any pets? If you do that goes against your argument about raising animals and their impact on the environment... think of all the CO2 etc from the production of their food and any medication in their life.

Do you drive a car? If you do, then you are directly impacting the environment each time you use it and even when it is just sat there, from the production process in which it was made and shipped around the world to you.

Do people need meat? No, I agree, but don't go claiming that people who do are disgusting, don't care for animals and that they are damaging the environment.


Many, many of the food you eat, as vegans, is not seasonal. Therefore it is grown and shipped around the world, causing damage to environment you are ironically so adamant to save.
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote: I give up stereotyped, you consistently ignore the fact that you don't NEED meat (I've never said that in moderation it would harm you) but you DO NOT NEED it - if you did I would have keeled over years ago but instead I am as healthy as the next person, probably more so so please explain- is my physiology somehow different form everyone elses? NO Are the bodies of all the other humans who don't eat meat and stay prefectly healthy any different- NO! Is your statement incorrect- YES! Watching the elite distance runners at the Commonwealth games not doubt you think they look "weedy" as well as they are ultra-thin? As for you hunting then ironically I have some respect for meat-eaters who at least kill what they eat ( although i don't agree with the necessity) rather than turning a blind eye and letting someone else do their killing for them behind closed walls in disgusting slaughterhouse. I notice that you have made no comment on the other issues i have raised- I think that speaks volumes! Anyway luckily more and more people are seeing the sense in adopting a more compasionate way of life so over time I am very hopeful that the "hunter-gatherers" will be left in the past ![/p][/quote]Do you own any pets? If you do that goes against your argument about raising animals and their impact on the environment... think of all the CO2 etc from the production of their food and any medication in their life. Do you drive a car? If you do, then you are directly impacting the environment each time you use it and even when it is just sat there, from the production process in which it was made and shipped around the world to you. Do people need meat? No, I agree, but don't go claiming that people who do are disgusting, don't care for animals and that they are damaging the environment. Many, many of the food you eat, as vegans, is not seasonal. Therefore it is grown and shipped around the world, causing damage to environment you are ironically so adamant to save. Stereotyped
  • Score: 5

3:25pm Thu 31 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

Yes I have a cat , she wasn't bought from a breeder, I inherited her from an ex who couldn't keep her. I'm very aware she eats meat , in this case there is really no choice, cats definirely are predators 100 per cent. I fully support reducing the number of cats by neutering, both to stop unwanted animals and also to reduce the need for meat. I don't support the pet trade.
I do have a car but don't use it when I can use other forms of more ecological transport, hence I cycle to work or get the bus . The impact of it's manufacture happened long before even I bought it, and happened once , it doesn't continue happening just when it's sat there!
Agreed not all the food I eat is seasonal / local although I try t make sure much is- is yours?
I'm not claiming people who eat meat are disgusting just defending veganism against the hostility and hypocrisy that comes from certain people who seem to take personal offence at anyone choosing a meat freediet for all the reasons already mentioned .
Yes I have a cat , she wasn't bought from a breeder, I inherited her from an ex who couldn't keep her. I'm very aware she eats meat , in this case there is really no choice, cats definirely are predators 100 per cent. I fully support reducing the number of cats by neutering, both to stop unwanted animals and also to reduce the need for meat. I don't support the pet trade. I do have a car but don't use it when I can use other forms of more ecological transport, hence I cycle to work or get the bus . The impact of it's manufacture happened long before even I bought it, and happened once , it doesn't continue happening just when it's sat there! Agreed not all the food I eat is seasonal / local although I try t make sure much is- is yours? I'm not claiming people who eat meat are disgusting just defending veganism against the hostility and hypocrisy that comes from certain people who seem to take personal offence at anyone choosing a meat freediet for all the reasons already mentioned . uvox44
  • Score: -7

4:27pm Thu 31 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

ps all the "macho" meat eaters might want to take a look at a bodybuilder called Frank Medrano- guess what he eats?
ps all the "macho" meat eaters might want to take a look at a bodybuilder called Frank Medrano- guess what he eats? uvox44
  • Score: -3

7:01am Fri 1 Aug 14

Stereotyped says...

uvox44 wrote:
Yes I have a cat , she wasn't bought from a breeder, I inherited her from an ex who couldn't keep her. I'm very aware she eats meat , in this case there is really no choice, cats definirely are predators 100 per cent. I fully support reducing the number of cats by neutering, both to stop unwanted animals and also to reduce the need for meat. I don't support the pet trade.
I do have a car but don't use it when I can use other forms of more ecological transport, hence I cycle to work or get the bus . The impact of it's manufacture happened long before even I bought it, and happened once , it doesn't continue happening just when it's sat there!
Agreed not all the food I eat is seasonal / local although I try t make sure much is- is yours?
I'm not claiming people who eat meat are disgusting just defending veganism against the hostility and hypocrisy that comes from certain people who seem to take personal offence at anyone choosing a meat freediet for all the reasons already mentioned .
I never claimed that I ate seasonally, I am not the one preaching a "better way of living which saves the planet"... that is you.

Have a cat...don't support the pet trade, alright Katie Hopkins!

I don't have anything against vegetarians/vegans..
. what I do have a problem with is you lot banging on about how it is 'better' when it isn't.

Oh and I do know about Frank Medrano and think he is amazing. Best part is, he is a vegan and doesn't bang on about it.
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote: Yes I have a cat , she wasn't bought from a breeder, I inherited her from an ex who couldn't keep her. I'm very aware she eats meat , in this case there is really no choice, cats definirely are predators 100 per cent. I fully support reducing the number of cats by neutering, both to stop unwanted animals and also to reduce the need for meat. I don't support the pet trade. I do have a car but don't use it when I can use other forms of more ecological transport, hence I cycle to work or get the bus . The impact of it's manufacture happened long before even I bought it, and happened once , it doesn't continue happening just when it's sat there! Agreed not all the food I eat is seasonal / local although I try t make sure much is- is yours? I'm not claiming people who eat meat are disgusting just defending veganism against the hostility and hypocrisy that comes from certain people who seem to take personal offence at anyone choosing a meat freediet for all the reasons already mentioned .[/p][/quote]I never claimed that I ate seasonally, I am not the one preaching a "better way of living which saves the planet"... that is you. Have a cat...don't support the pet trade, alright Katie Hopkins! I don't have anything against vegetarians/vegans.. . what I do have a problem with is you lot banging on about how it is 'better' when it isn't. Oh and I do know about Frank Medrano and think he is amazing. Best part is, he is a vegan and doesn't bang on about it. Stereotyped
  • Score: 5

5:23am Sat 2 Aug 14

Ginny nz says...

Looks like a blue bottle to me . Doesn't have enough meat on it to be a cockroach !!
Looks like a blue bottle to me . Doesn't have enough meat on it to be a cockroach !! Ginny nz
  • Score: 1

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