Dorset Police suspending driver awareness courses for repeat offenders within last three years

GUIDANCE: Martyn Underhill

GUIDANCE: Martyn Underhill

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DORSET Police is suspending driver awareness courses for drivers who have already attended a course in the last three years.

The decision is the only change being made as a result of an investigation, which cleared the force of misleading the public over road safety and its driver awareness scheme.

The investigation was prompted by a complaint from Poole resident Ian Belchamber, who campaigns against the force’s use of speed cameras.

Hampshire Police was appointed to conduct the investigation. It rejected complaints against the chief constable and against the police’s use of cameras – including the controversial ‘speed on green’ camera at Poole’s Holes Bay Road – and the driver awareness course.

But police and crime commissioner Martyn Underhill said the force was operating outside national guidance by offering repeat offenders the chance to take another course within a three-year period. He said he was not satisfied that the rationale for the policy was adequately recorded.

He asked the chief constable to review the policy and present the evidence supporting its use to the force’s joint executive committee. “As a result the force has suspended this policy until the outcome of this review is published,” he said.

“This means the driver awareness course will only be available to drivers who have not already attended a course anywhere in the country within the past three years.” Mr Belchamber called for the Independent Police Complaints Commission to look at the case itself. He claimed the process had reached ‘misguided’ conclusions ‘by ignoring the key issues and points presented by one side while going into irrelevant issues in great depth’.

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12:29pm Mon 28 Jul 14

In Absentia says...

So, 'dorsetspeed' doesn't get the conclusions he wants from an investigation and now wants more local tax payers money wasted on another organisation having a go. We also end up with a tougher regime for speeding drivers as regards points on their licences too. Hilarious.
So, 'dorsetspeed' doesn't get the conclusions he wants from an investigation and now wants more local tax payers money wasted on another organisation having a go. We also end up with a tougher regime for speeding drivers as regards points on their licences too. Hilarious. In Absentia
  • Score: 8

12:35pm Mon 28 Jul 14

tbpoole says...

In Absentia wrote:
So, 'dorsetspeed' doesn't get the conclusions he wants from an investigation and now wants more local tax payers money wasted on another organisation having a go. We also end up with a tougher regime for speeding drivers as regards points on their licences too. Hilarious.
Agreed. Shame Dorset Police can't claim costs back off dorsetspeed....
[quote][p][bold]In Absentia[/bold] wrote: So, 'dorsetspeed' doesn't get the conclusions he wants from an investigation and now wants more local tax payers money wasted on another organisation having a go. We also end up with a tougher regime for speeding drivers as regards points on their licences too. Hilarious.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Shame Dorset Police can't claim costs back off dorsetspeed.... tbpoole
  • Score: 5

1:02pm Mon 28 Jul 14

muscliffman says...

Whatever the subject matter there always seems to be something not quite right or healthy about the Police carrying out any sort of investigation into the...... Police!

I thought the politicians were assuring us a while ago that for everyone's sake and repute some outside independence would be brought into such procedures.
Whatever the subject matter there always seems to be something not quite right or healthy about the Police carrying out any sort of investigation into the...... Police! I thought the politicians were assuring us a while ago that for everyone's sake and repute some outside independence would be brought into such procedures. muscliffman
  • Score: 4

1:05pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Echo & the Funnymen says...

I have my 3rd driver awareness course booked in next week.My last one was just under 3 years ago.Will this be canceled does anyone know.Also is it the dates of the offence or the date of the course they take it from?
I have my 3rd driver awareness course booked in next week.My last one was just under 3 years ago.Will this be canceled does anyone know.Also is it the dates of the offence or the date of the course they take it from? Echo & the Funnymen
  • Score: 0

1:10pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Townee says...

I was alway lead to believe that you could only go on one driver awareness course ever. This was to help drivers who make one mistake and it was to jolt them back on the path to the light not just to let people off every few years when they keep braking the law.
I was alway lead to believe that you could only go on one driver awareness course ever. This was to help drivers who make one mistake and it was to jolt them back on the path to the light not just to let people off every few years when they keep braking the law. Townee
  • Score: 2

1:20pm Mon 28 Jul 14

JustForPoole says...

Travellers situation goes quite .... Underhill shows his face again...amazing!!! Stay around and show your face when the travellers next pick on a local site!!! Bring some of your troops along as well for a change to try and uphold law and order!!! We shall see ?????
Travellers situation goes quite .... Underhill shows his face again...amazing!!! Stay around and show your face when the travellers next pick on a local site!!! Bring some of your troops along as well for a change to try and uphold law and order!!! We shall see ????? JustForPoole
  • Score: 6

1:25pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Echo & the Funnymen says...

Townee wrote:
I was alway lead to believe that you could only go on one driver awareness course ever. This was to help drivers who make one mistake and it was to jolt them back on the path to the light not just to let people off every few years when they keep braking the law.
No on the form it just asked if you had been on 1 in the last 12 months.
[quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: I was alway lead to believe that you could only go on one driver awareness course ever. This was to help drivers who make one mistake and it was to jolt them back on the path to the light not just to let people off every few years when they keep braking the law.[/p][/quote]No on the form it just asked if you had been on 1 in the last 12 months. Echo & the Funnymen
  • Score: -1

1:25pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Echo & the Funnymen says...

Townee wrote:
I was alway lead to believe that you could only go on one driver awareness course ever. This was to help drivers who make one mistake and it was to jolt them back on the path to the light not just to let people off every few years when they keep braking the law.
No on the form it just asked if you had been on 1 in the last 12 months.
[quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: I was alway lead to believe that you could only go on one driver awareness course ever. This was to help drivers who make one mistake and it was to jolt them back on the path to the light not just to let people off every few years when they keep braking the law.[/p][/quote]No on the form it just asked if you had been on 1 in the last 12 months. Echo & the Funnymen
  • Score: -1

1:29pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Echo & the Funnymen says...

Townee wrote:
I was alway lead to believe that you could only go on one driver awareness course ever. This was to help drivers who make one mistake and it was to jolt them back on the path to the light not just to let people off every few years when they keep braking the law.
No on the form it just asked if you had been on 1 in the last 12 months.
[quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: I was alway lead to believe that you could only go on one driver awareness course ever. This was to help drivers who make one mistake and it was to jolt them back on the path to the light not just to let people off every few years when they keep braking the law.[/p][/quote]No on the form it just asked if you had been on 1 in the last 12 months. Echo & the Funnymen
  • Score: -1

1:32pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Echo & the Funnymen says...

Sorry posted it 3 times bit like the speeding tickets easy mistake I guess.
Sorry posted it 3 times bit like the speeding tickets easy mistake I guess. Echo & the Funnymen
  • Score: 1

1:51pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Teddy 1 says...

Echo & the Funnymen wrote:
I have my 3rd driver awareness course booked in next week.My last one was just under 3 years ago.Will this be canceled does anyone know.Also is it the dates of the offence or the date of the course they take it from?
This is proof the course iseffectiveul (not) and the content regularly audited to make sure it is effective. I attended years ago and they showed an excellent film with someone who had lost her son in a speed related accident (he wasnt driving). Very powerful thoughtprovoking stuff though i understand they dont use it now, apparently the head of department didnt like it or something...very shortsighted as it was the only thing that made us attending think.
. No audits being carried out of the effectiveness of the course then. So much potential but only once the offence has been committed. Why not communicate with drivers before they commit the offence. Its not that hard a concept!!!! &may reduce the appalling statistics.
[quote][p][bold]Echo & the Funnymen[/bold] wrote: I have my 3rd driver awareness course booked in next week.My last one was just under 3 years ago.Will this be canceled does anyone know.Also is it the dates of the offence or the date of the course they take it from?[/p][/quote]This is proof the course iseffectiveul (not) and the content regularly audited to make sure it is effective. I attended years ago and they showed an excellent film with someone who had lost her son in a speed related accident (he wasnt driving). Very powerful thoughtprovoking stuff though i understand they dont use it now, apparently the head of department didnt like it or something...very shortsighted as it was the only thing that made us attending think. . No audits being carried out of the effectiveness of the course then. So much potential but only once the offence has been committed. Why not communicate with drivers before they commit the offence. Its not that hard a concept!!!! &may reduce the appalling statistics. Teddy 1
  • Score: 1

4:51pm Mon 28 Jul 14

tbpoole says...

Teddy 1 wrote:
Echo & the Funnymen wrote: I have my 3rd driver awareness course booked in next week.My last one was just under 3 years ago.Will this be canceled does anyone know.Also is it the dates of the offence or the date of the course they take it from?
This is proof the course iseffectiveul (not) and the content regularly audited to make sure it is effective. I attended years ago and they showed an excellent film with someone who had lost her son in a speed related accident (he wasnt driving). Very powerful thoughtprovoking stuff though i understand they dont use it now, apparently the head of department didnt like it or something...very shortsighted as it was the only thing that made us attending think. . No audits being carried out of the effectiveness of the course then. So much potential but only once the offence has been committed. Why not communicate with drivers before they commit the offence. Its not that hard a concept!!!! &may reduce the appalling statistics.
How would you do that then exactly?

Ask for volunteers and make them pay, or stop drivers randomly on the road and ask them to attend?

Wouldn't go down well, because as we know most drivers think they are above average. Which is impossible because only half can be.

Still, probably a lot cheaper than an IAM advanced driver course.
[quote][p][bold]Teddy 1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Echo & the Funnymen[/bold] wrote: I have my 3rd driver awareness course booked in next week.My last one was just under 3 years ago.Will this be canceled does anyone know.Also is it the dates of the offence or the date of the course they take it from?[/p][/quote]This is proof the course iseffectiveul (not) and the content regularly audited to make sure it is effective. I attended years ago and they showed an excellent film with someone who had lost her son in a speed related accident (he wasnt driving). Very powerful thoughtprovoking stuff though i understand they dont use it now, apparently the head of department didnt like it or something...very shortsighted as it was the only thing that made us attending think. . No audits being carried out of the effectiveness of the course then. So much potential but only once the offence has been committed. Why not communicate with drivers before they commit the offence. Its not that hard a concept!!!! &may reduce the appalling statistics.[/p][/quote]How would you do that then exactly? Ask for volunteers and make them pay, or stop drivers randomly on the road and ask them to attend? Wouldn't go down well, because as we know most drivers think they are above average. Which is impossible because only half can be. Still, probably a lot cheaper than an IAM advanced driver course. tbpoole
  • Score: 0

5:59pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Desperado says...

Echo & the Funnymen wrote:
Townee wrote:
I was alway lead to believe that you could only go on one driver awareness course ever. This was to help drivers who make one mistake and it was to jolt them back on the path to the light not just to let people off every few years when they keep braking the law.
No on the form it just asked if you had been on 1 in the last 12 months.
I don't know for sure, but I think it is just about making money .
Why send people on them anyway, just charge them a £100 not to get the points .
Ever one's a winner .

Do anyone really think these courses do any good ?
Shouldn't the police have more cameras , I mean the motorists are nice soft easy targets .
Not like the travellers, far to scary for Mr Plod.
[quote][p][bold]Echo & the Funnymen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: I was alway lead to believe that you could only go on one driver awareness course ever. This was to help drivers who make one mistake and it was to jolt them back on the path to the light not just to let people off every few years when they keep braking the law.[/p][/quote]No on the form it just asked if you had been on 1 in the last 12 months.[/p][/quote]I don't know for sure, but I think it is just about making money . Why send people on them anyway, just charge them a £100 not to get the points . Ever one's a winner . Do anyone really think these courses do any good ? Shouldn't the police have more cameras , I mean the motorists are nice soft easy targets . Not like the travellers, far to scary for Mr Plod. Desperado
  • Score: 3

7:24pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Teddy 1 says...

tbpoole wrote:
Teddy 1 wrote:
Echo & the Funnymen wrote: I have my 3rd driver awareness course booked in next week.My last one was just under 3 years ago.Will this be canceled does anyone know.Also is it the dates of the offence or the date of the course they take it from?
This is proof the course iseffectiveul (not) and the content regularly audited to make sure it is effective. I attended years ago and they showed an excellent film with someone who had lost her son in a speed related accident (he wasnt driving). Very powerful thoughtprovoking stuff though i understand they dont use it now, apparently the head of department didnt like it or something...very shortsighted as it was the only thing that made us attending think. . No audits being carried out of the effectiveness of the course then. So much potential but only once the offence has been committed. Why not communicate with drivers before they commit the offence. Its not that hard a concept!!!! &may reduce the appalling statistics.
How would you do that then exactly?

Ask for volunteers and make them pay, or stop drivers randomly on the road and ask them to attend?

Wouldn't go down well, because as we know most drivers think they are above average. Which is impossible because only half can be.

Still, probably a lot cheaper than an IAM advanced driver course.
Sorry, I mean communicate with people as they go out and about on their daily business. Have drive time radio discussions, raise driving standards by communicating and reminding them in their everyday lives. of course not tv advertising but how many times are we being communicated to subconsciously and then something triggers a reaction albeit a purchase or we talk knowledgably about a topic we didnt know we knew about. The driver speed course should be saved for people who speed etc but the feeling out there from those attending is people 'just get caught'...tell them before they get caught why they shouldn't speed etc.

For the record absolutely no wayin my opinion should those who continually get caughtfor the same offence be allowed to go on the course. What would people feel if they lost a loved one and found the driver should/would have been in court/driving ban. Very very bad decision and whoever took that decision should be asked to justify that decision.
[quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teddy 1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Echo & the Funnymen[/bold] wrote: I have my 3rd driver awareness course booked in next week.My last one was just under 3 years ago.Will this be canceled does anyone know.Also is it the dates of the offence or the date of the course they take it from?[/p][/quote]This is proof the course iseffectiveul (not) and the content regularly audited to make sure it is effective. I attended years ago and they showed an excellent film with someone who had lost her son in a speed related accident (he wasnt driving). Very powerful thoughtprovoking stuff though i understand they dont use it now, apparently the head of department didnt like it or something...very shortsighted as it was the only thing that made us attending think. . No audits being carried out of the effectiveness of the course then. So much potential but only once the offence has been committed. Why not communicate with drivers before they commit the offence. Its not that hard a concept!!!! &may reduce the appalling statistics.[/p][/quote]How would you do that then exactly? Ask for volunteers and make them pay, or stop drivers randomly on the road and ask them to attend? Wouldn't go down well, because as we know most drivers think they are above average. Which is impossible because only half can be. Still, probably a lot cheaper than an IAM advanced driver course.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I mean communicate with people as they go out and about on their daily business. Have drive time radio discussions, raise driving standards by communicating and reminding them in their everyday lives. of course not tv advertising but how many times are we being communicated to subconsciously and then something triggers a reaction albeit a purchase or we talk knowledgably about a topic we didnt know we knew about. The driver speed course should be saved for people who speed etc but the feeling out there from those attending is people 'just get caught'...tell them before they get caught why they shouldn't speed etc. For the record absolutely no wayin my opinion should those who continually get caughtfor the same offence be allowed to go on the course. What would people feel if they lost a loved one and found the driver should/would have been in court/driving ban. Very very bad decision and whoever took that decision should be asked to justify that decision. Teddy 1
  • Score: 1

8:12pm Mon 28 Jul 14

melting pot says...

just a money making excercise for skint Dorset police as they get to keep a percentage of the fee
just a money making excercise for skint Dorset police as they get to keep a percentage of the fee melting pot
  • Score: 2

10:58pm Mon 28 Jul 14

yet_another_one says...

melting pot wrote:
just a money making excercise for skint Dorset police as they get to keep a percentage of the fee
The revenue from these money making scams goes to local authorities & that is why they are offered at £110 a go regardless of frequency.
Speeding offences carry a 3 point penalty on your licence plus fines which goes to the Treasury.
Be careful Mr Underhill, you could lose friends.
[quote][p][bold]melting pot[/bold] wrote: just a money making excercise for skint Dorset police as they get to keep a percentage of the fee[/p][/quote]The revenue from these money making scams goes to local authorities & that is why they are offered at £110 a go regardless of frequency. Speeding offences carry a 3 point penalty on your licence plus fines which goes to the Treasury. Be careful Mr Underhill, you could lose friends. yet_another_one
  • Score: 3

6:29pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Glashen says...

In Absentia wrote:
So, 'dorsetspeed' doesn't get the conclusions he wants from an investigation and now wants more local tax payers money wasted on another organisation having a go. We also end up with a tougher regime for speeding drivers as regards points on their licences too. Hilarious.
Yes the outcome made me smile too, don't really think it is right that you can do one every year smacks to much of it being the money that matters. On the question of whether these courses do any good which obviously matters but is probably hard to prove either way and it does seen to me that a course makes more sense than points for one incident of being caught on camera speeding, there is a certain argument here that it can't do any harm.
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Alternatives: fewer speed cameras, ok but if one life Is saved hard to argue more traffic police, expensive, in car speed monitoring bit big brother for most of us, but it might work. We live in a country with one of the best road traffic records in the world maybe we should just accept the price is sometimes getting caught speeding and doing a course.
[quote][p][bold]In Absentia[/bold] wrote: So, 'dorsetspeed' doesn't get the conclusions he wants from an investigation and now wants more local tax payers money wasted on another organisation having a go. We also end up with a tougher regime for speeding drivers as regards points on their licences too. Hilarious.[/p][/quote]Yes the outcome made me smile too, don't really think it is right that you can do one every year smacks to much of it being the money that matters. On the question of whether these courses do any good which obviously matters but is probably hard to prove either way and it does seen to me that a course makes more sense than points for one incident of being caught on camera speeding, there is a certain argument here that it can't do any harm. . Alternatives: fewer speed cameras, ok but if one life Is saved hard to argue more traffic police, expensive, in car speed monitoring bit big brother for most of us, but it might work. We live in a country with one of the best road traffic records in the world maybe we should just accept the price is sometimes getting caught speeding and doing a course. Glashen
  • Score: 0

8:03am Sat 2 Aug 14

dorsetspeed says...

Underhill has added his name to the long list of those who have taken part in, amongst many other things, a £1 million fraud, in which Dorset police made the money on the back of a pack of lies, and the attempt to cover up that fraud.

The initial response can be seen at www.dorsetspeed.org.
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Underhill has added his name to the long list of those who have taken part in, amongst many other things, a £1 million fraud, in which Dorset police made the money on the back of a pack of lies, and the attempt to cover up that fraud. The initial response can be seen at www.dorsetspeed.org. UK dorsetspeed
  • Score: 5

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