Poole Council to charge residents for dumping certain types of waste in bid to save £50k

Take your rubbish to the tip for free? Not any more, says cash-strapped Poole council

Recycling on the Nuffield Industrial Estate in Poole

Councillor Xena Dion

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Poole residents are to be charged for dumping some kinds of waste as the council seeks to save £50,000.

From October 1 visitors to the household waste and recycling centre at Nuffield will have to pay to dispose of asbestos, plasterboard, gas canisters, tyres and soil and rubble.

The charges have not yet been set but will be decided by the head of consumer protection over the next few weeks.

They are expected to be similar to other local charges, for example it costs around £5 to dispose of a tyre.

The disposal of normal household waste and recycling will remain free for local residents. Last year the council spent more than £55,000 disposing of the materials collected at the tip, for which it aims to introduce charges.

Due to changes in landfill tax the cost of the disposal of soil and rubble alone is to rocket from £5,000 to £35,000 a year.

The proposals were approved at cabinet and will save the council £50,000 a year as it works to close a £13.5million funding gap in its budget to 2018.

Cabinet also gave approval to officers to develop proposals to find savings of a further £75,000 from the operation of the waste centre by restricting access for vans which will reduce the cost of commercial waste treatment.

Cllr Xena Dion, cabinet portfolio holder for the environment, Borough of Poole, said: “The council, and therefore our council taxpayers, incur a significant cost as a result of people disposing of non-household materials at our waste and recycling centre.

“However, the size of the financial challenge faced by the council unfortunately means we have no option but to introduce a charge. Several other local authorities already charge for non-household materials at waste and recycling sites and we will only look to introduce charges that reflect other local options for disposal.”

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5:26am Thu 24 Jul 14

wonderway says...

all this will do is cause massive increase in fly tipping
which will cause high overall extra cost
this is a false saving
again it is a council not thinking before implimanting policies
also cause damage to nature
all i can say is engage brain before opening mouth
all this will do is cause massive increase in fly tipping which will cause high overall extra cost this is a false saving again it is a council not thinking before implimanting policies also cause damage to nature all i can say is engage brain before opening mouth wonderway
  • Score: 262

5:59am Thu 24 Jul 14

Hamworthy residnt says...

Why doesn't the council allow recycling at the tip. People would pay a small charge for old bikes, mirrors, furniture etc one persons rubbish may be another's treasure. May not make much money but it would be less in land fill, would help cash strapped residents and help towards the budget.
Why doesn't the council allow recycling at the tip. People would pay a small charge for old bikes, mirrors, furniture etc one persons rubbish may be another's treasure. May not make much money but it would be less in land fill, would help cash strapped residents and help towards the budget. Hamworthy residnt
  • Score: 136

6:10am Thu 24 Jul 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

Hamworthy residnt wrote:
Why doesn't the council allow recycling at the tip. People would pay a small charge for old bikes, mirrors, furniture etc one persons rubbish may be another's treasure. May not make much money but it would be less in land fill, would help cash strapped residents and help towards the budget.
I suspect Health and Safety jobsworths won't permit this.
[quote][p][bold]Hamworthy residnt[/bold] wrote: Why doesn't the council allow recycling at the tip. People would pay a small charge for old bikes, mirrors, furniture etc one persons rubbish may be another's treasure. May not make much money but it would be less in land fill, would help cash strapped residents and help towards the budget.[/p][/quote]I suspect Health and Safety jobsworths won't permit this. fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 23

7:03am Thu 24 Jul 14

kalebmoledirt says...

They spent substantially more on consultancy NOTappointing a chief executive.in France every commune as a tip where on production of A utility bill most domestic rubbish can be disposed of (but not you partner) resulting in France being a cleaner Country.and no fly tipping
They spent substantially more on consultancy NOTappointing a chief executive.in France every commune as a tip where on production of A utility bill most domestic rubbish can be disposed of (but not you partner) resulting in France being a cleaner Country.and no fly tipping kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 43

7:13am Thu 24 Jul 14

Baysider says...

The answer to the question of why is in the story. Central government has done a remarkable job of clawing back the money it allocates to local government in raised taxes, etc. Give with one hand take away with the other. No doubt we will have a succession of "I pay my council taxes for this..." posts on this story but you don't. What you pay is almost all going on social services so it's not surprising other council ran services are looking to cover their costs in other ways or cutting services. We cannot expect the same levels of service we had 5 years ago.
The answer to the question of why is in the story. Central government has done a remarkable job of clawing back the money it allocates to local government in raised taxes, etc. Give with one hand take away with the other. No doubt we will have a succession of "I pay my council taxes for this..." posts on this story but you don't. What you pay is almost all going on social services so it's not surprising other council ran services are looking to cover their costs in other ways or cutting services. We cannot expect the same levels of service we had 5 years ago. Baysider
  • Score: 23

7:16am Thu 24 Jul 14

Baysider says...

wonderway wrote:
all this will do is cause massive increase in fly tipping
which will cause high overall extra cost
this is a false saving
again it is a council not thinking before implimanting policies
also cause damage to nature
all i can say is engage brain before opening mouth
Do you seriously not think they may have taken this into account and decided that the cost/benefit was in favour of introducing these charges?
[quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: all this will do is cause massive increase in fly tipping which will cause high overall extra cost this is a false saving again it is a council not thinking before implimanting policies also cause damage to nature all i can say is engage brain before opening mouth[/p][/quote]Do you seriously not think they may have taken this into account and decided that the cost/benefit was in favour of introducing these charges? Baysider
  • Score: -96

7:24am Thu 24 Jul 14

Lord Spring says...

If it cost the council £5 to dispose of a tyre well it will cost a lot more when they have to pay the cost to pick it up off the street .
Penny wise pound foolish.

They seem as bright as a Toc H lamp.
If it cost the council £5 to dispose of a tyre well it will cost a lot more when they have to pay the cost to pick it up off the street . Penny wise pound foolish. They seem as bright as a Toc H lamp. Lord Spring
  • Score: 100

7:35am Thu 24 Jul 14

shrekthe4rth says...

Its ok for the workmen to take the good metal next door and way it in having the money in there pockets
Its ok for the workmen to take the good metal next door and way it in having the money in there pockets shrekthe4rth
  • Score: 27

7:37am Thu 24 Jul 14

boyerboy says...

I do hope that the voters just remembr this stupid stupid cash raising incentive when the next local elections come around ..............
I do hope that the voters just remembr this stupid stupid cash raising incentive when the next local elections come around .............. boyerboy
  • Score: 48

7:38am Thu 24 Jul 14

djd says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Hamworthy residnt wrote:
Why doesn't the council allow recycling at the tip. People would pay a small charge for old bikes, mirrors, furniture etc one persons rubbish may be another's treasure. May not make much money but it would be less in land fill, would help cash strapped residents and help towards the budget.
I suspect Health and Safety jobsworths won't permit this.
They do so at Christchurch and I believe at Millhams.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hamworthy residnt[/bold] wrote: Why doesn't the council allow recycling at the tip. People would pay a small charge for old bikes, mirrors, furniture etc one persons rubbish may be another's treasure. May not make much money but it would be less in land fill, would help cash strapped residents and help towards the budget.[/p][/quote]I suspect Health and Safety jobsworths won't permit this.[/p][/quote]They do so at Christchurch and I believe at Millhams. djd
  • Score: 43

7:49am Thu 24 Jul 14

Baysider says...

shrekthe4rth wrote:
Its ok for the workmen to take the good metal next door and way it in having the money in there pockets
And you know they do this because..? I believe you have to have an exemption to deal in cash at scrappies these days so there would be a paper trail if this were true. But it's not, it's just another example of the ignorant rubbid trotted out about councils and the people that work for them on here.
[quote][p][bold]shrekthe4rth[/bold] wrote: Its ok for the workmen to take the good metal next door and way it in having the money in there pockets[/p][/quote]And you know they do this because..? I believe you have to have an exemption to deal in cash at scrappies these days so there would be a paper trail if this were true. But it's not, it's just another example of the ignorant rubbid trotted out about councils and the people that work for them on here. Baysider
  • Score: -2

7:53am Thu 24 Jul 14

davecook says...

Anyone who wants to dump old tyres, building rubble, or gas canisters will probably just dump them at the sites the travellers use, once they leave they are always full of rubble, soil, and old gas canisters anyway. Or will there be a plan to charge our Irish visitors too...........
Anyone who wants to dump old tyres, building rubble, or gas canisters will probably just dump them at the sites the travellers use, once they leave they are always full of rubble, soil, and old gas canisters anyway. Or will there be a plan to charge our Irish visitors too........... davecook
  • Score: 73

7:54am Thu 24 Jul 14

wonderway says...

Baysider wrote:
wonderway wrote:
all this will do is cause massive increase in fly tipping
which will cause high overall extra cost
this is a false saving
again it is a council not thinking before implimanting policies
also cause damage to nature
all i can say is engage brain before opening mouth
Do you seriously not think they may have taken this into account and decided that the cost/benefit was in favour of introducing these charges?
yes knowing the way council departments think and act of other matter

love to see their business plan and see what their set aside amount is for additional flytipping clearance due to this action for next 12 months bet it exceeds saving
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: all this will do is cause massive increase in fly tipping which will cause high overall extra cost this is a false saving again it is a council not thinking before implimanting policies also cause damage to nature all i can say is engage brain before opening mouth[/p][/quote]Do you seriously not think they may have taken this into account and decided that the cost/benefit was in favour of introducing these charges?[/p][/quote]yes knowing the way council departments think and act of other matter love to see their business plan and see what their set aside amount is for additional flytipping clearance due to this action for next 12 months bet it exceeds saving wonderway
  • Score: 28

7:57am Thu 24 Jul 14

Victor_Meldrew_Lives! says...

With the smaller black bins and now now charging for certain types of rubbish fly-tipping will increase no doubt.
I live in a quiet cul-de-sac in Parkstone and I spent 10 minutes picking up litter filling half a carrier bag last night. I have done this several times over the last few months too.
People are disgusting and a good proportion don't teach their kids that dropping litter is filthy too. I have drummed it into my 3 year old boy that littering is what 'dirty people do'.
Naturally the council never come and clean my road but then they shouldn't really have to.
Soil can be put in black bins as can small amounts of rubble so I suspect people will avoid their charge and deposit small amounts there instead.
With the smaller black bins and now now charging for certain types of rubbish fly-tipping will increase no doubt. I live in a quiet cul-de-sac in Parkstone and I spent 10 minutes picking up litter filling half a carrier bag last night. I have done this several times over the last few months too. People are disgusting and a good proportion don't teach their kids that dropping litter is filthy too. I have drummed it into my 3 year old boy that littering is what 'dirty people do'. Naturally the council never come and clean my road but then they shouldn't really have to. Soil can be put in black bins as can small amounts of rubble so I suspect people will avoid their charge and deposit small amounts there instead. Victor_Meldrew_Lives!
  • Score: 51

8:00am Thu 24 Jul 14

some-people says...

Yet travellers get offered free skips to dispose of their waste!

At wareham tip they do try and resell some items (all for under a tenner) but I'm not sure how it works, presumably it relies on the tipper approaching a member of staff (often working elsewhere on the site) to ask if it's ok to put it in that area.
Yet travellers get offered free skips to dispose of their waste! At wareham tip they do try and resell some items (all for under a tenner) but I'm not sure how it works, presumably it relies on the tipper approaching a member of staff (often working elsewhere on the site) to ask if it's ok to put it in that area. some-people
  • Score: 38

8:12am Thu 24 Jul 14

skydriver says...

I have said time and time again , councillors who don't have a brain between them, not trained to handle their positions. Time they handed these positions over to people who have the ability to manage a business, and not by a bunch of misfits . This daft idea will cause even more trouble and costs.
I have said time and time again , councillors who don't have a brain between them, not trained to handle their positions. Time they handed these positions over to people who have the ability to manage a business, and not by a bunch of misfits . This daft idea will cause even more trouble and costs. skydriver
  • Score: 38

8:16am Thu 24 Jul 14

smhinto says...

Baysider wrote:
wonderway wrote: all this will do is cause massive increase in fly tipping which will cause high overall extra cost this is a false saving again it is a council not thinking before implimanting policies also cause damage to nature all i can say is engage brain before opening mouth
Do you seriously not think they may have taken this into account and decided that the cost/benefit was in favour of introducing these charges?
No the Council would not have taken into account the fact that this decision will increase the act of 'fly-tipping' as they do not possess the for-thought to realise this.
.
This is the Council we are talking about here, since when do they engage brains before making decisions or think about things in reality???
.
We all know the overall cost will increase because the cost of clearing up the resultant fly-tipping will outweigh the cost of letting people dispose of rubbish for free.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: all this will do is cause massive increase in fly tipping which will cause high overall extra cost this is a false saving again it is a council not thinking before implimanting policies also cause damage to nature all i can say is engage brain before opening mouth[/p][/quote]Do you seriously not think they may have taken this into account and decided that the cost/benefit was in favour of introducing these charges?[/p][/quote]No the Council would not have taken into account the fact that this decision will increase the act of 'fly-tipping' as they do not possess the for-thought to realise this. . This is the Council we are talking about here, since when do they engage brains before making decisions or think about things in reality??? . We all know the overall cost will increase because the cost of clearing up the resultant fly-tipping will outweigh the cost of letting people dispose of rubbish for free. smhinto
  • Score: 17

8:19am Thu 24 Jul 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

35k to put soil into landfill, putting soil into a hole where it once came from.
35k a ton !

To put soil into a soily hole !

This government are clever. All that tax. There will be riots, it can't go on.
35k to put soil into landfill, putting soil into a hole where it once came from. 35k a ton ! To put soil into a soily hole ! This government are clever. All that tax. There will be riots, it can't go on. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: 33

8:20am Thu 24 Jul 14

Carolyn43 says...

You used to be able to buy stuff from the tip.In the past I've had a sewing machine for £10, a bike for £5 and a portable typewriter for £1.
You used to be able to buy stuff from the tip.In the past I've had a sewing machine for £10, a bike for £5 and a portable typewriter for £1. Carolyn43
  • Score: 20

8:33am Thu 24 Jul 14

dogsoftheworld says...

wonderway wrote:
all this will do is cause massive increase in fly tipping
which will cause high overall extra cost
this is a false saving
again it is a council not thinking before implimanting policies
also cause damage to nature
all i can say is engage brain before opening mouth
Probably not, as fly tipping now incurrs heavy fines or even jail sentences. The underlying truth is simple: There is nowhere left to dump rubbish. You may have noticed that Canford Heath and Beacon Hill tips are now waste mountains, they can't go much higher. Councils face huge fines in the form of Landfill Tax on every tonne of waste sent to landfill- the govt imposed this to make councils recycle more. Its only right that people who don't take heavy soil/ rubble etc to the tip should not have to pay this tax for those who do.
It's really down to us, you can't blame councils for our lifestyles. Personally i would like to see a charge by weight for all non- recyclable waste that doesn't fit in the black bin- that should be your allowance, then after that, you should have to pay for any extra non- recyclable waste produced, it's only taking responsibility for ourselves, really.
[quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: all this will do is cause massive increase in fly tipping which will cause high overall extra cost this is a false saving again it is a council not thinking before implimanting policies also cause damage to nature all i can say is engage brain before opening mouth[/p][/quote]Probably not, as fly tipping now incurrs heavy fines or even jail sentences. The underlying truth is simple: There is nowhere left to dump rubbish. You may have noticed that Canford Heath and Beacon Hill tips are now waste mountains, they can't go much higher. Councils face huge fines in the form of Landfill Tax on every tonne of waste sent to landfill- the govt imposed this to make councils recycle more. Its only right that people who don't take heavy soil/ rubble etc to the tip should not have to pay this tax for those who do. It's really down to us, you can't blame councils for our lifestyles. Personally i would like to see a charge by weight for all non- recyclable waste that doesn't fit in the black bin- that should be your allowance, then after that, you should have to pay for any extra non- recyclable waste produced, it's only taking responsibility for ourselves, really. dogsoftheworld
  • Score: -29

8:34am Thu 24 Jul 14

Marcus James says...

They spend over £60k NOT appointing a Chief Exec, but now want to SAVE £50k by charging people to dump rubbish
How do we end up with these idiots running our council??
They spend over £60k NOT appointing a Chief Exec, but now want to SAVE £50k by charging people to dump rubbish How do we end up with these idiots running our council?? Marcus James
  • Score: 51

8:47am Thu 24 Jul 14

Baysider says...

wonderway wrote:
Baysider wrote:
wonderway wrote:
all this will do is cause massive increase in fly tipping
which will cause high overall extra cost
this is a false saving
again it is a council not thinking before implimanting policies
also cause damage to nature
all i can say is engage brain before opening mouth
Do you seriously not think they may have taken this into account and decided that the cost/benefit was in favour of introducing these charges?
yes knowing the way council departments think and act of other matter

love to see their business plan and see what their set aside amount is for additional flytipping clearance due to this action for next 12 months bet it exceeds saving
So basically what you are saying is that you think this because you don't like the way they (councils as a whole) have dealt with other issues and not because you have any evidence to base it on. As it happens I expect there may be a small increase in fly tipping too but I trust those with the experience, expertise and evidence of the effects if this elsewhere to have taken that into consideration in the decision rather than base my opinion on ignorant assumptions and prejudices.
[quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: all this will do is cause massive increase in fly tipping which will cause high overall extra cost this is a false saving again it is a council not thinking before implimanting policies also cause damage to nature all i can say is engage brain before opening mouth[/p][/quote]Do you seriously not think they may have taken this into account and decided that the cost/benefit was in favour of introducing these charges?[/p][/quote]yes knowing the way council departments think and act of other matter love to see their business plan and see what their set aside amount is for additional flytipping clearance due to this action for next 12 months bet it exceeds saving[/p][/quote]So basically what you are saying is that you think this because you don't like the way they (councils as a whole) have dealt with other issues and not because you have any evidence to base it on. As it happens I expect there may be a small increase in fly tipping too but I trust those with the experience, expertise and evidence of the effects if this elsewhere to have taken that into consideration in the decision rather than base my opinion on ignorant assumptions and prejudices. Baysider
  • Score: -27

8:47am Thu 24 Jul 14

cheeriedriteup says...

The true problem here is 'us' the people, take a look at Sweden - they incinerate all their landfill material to generate energy to run their homes, they have done is so well they have caused themselves a slight issue and have to import rubbish from Norway and Findland, but the shortsighted GB islander always so no no no we don't want incinerators here.
Incinerators have extremely efficient after burners which burn off smells and smoke so all that can be seen is waves of heat coming out. I think we are mad protect the land, green belts trees, art councils etc etc but we are still content living IN a landfill , .
Now which makes more sense one tonne of rotting smelly rubbish or a gram of spent ash ?
The true problem here is 'us' the people, take a look at Sweden - they incinerate all their landfill material to generate energy to run their homes, they have done is so well they have caused themselves a slight issue and have to import rubbish from Norway and Findland, but the shortsighted GB islander always so no no no we don't want incinerators here. Incinerators have extremely efficient after burners which burn off smells and smoke so all that can be seen is waves of heat coming out. I think we are mad protect the land, green belts trees, art councils etc etc but we are still content living IN a landfill , . Now which makes more sense one tonne of rotting smelly rubbish or a gram of spent ash ? cheeriedriteup
  • Score: 45

9:02am Thu 24 Jul 14

MJD says...

Makes me wonder how a local company W&S recycling that started in Poole with nothing can make millions out of rubbish and the Borough of Poole cant and why they don't use them or give them the contract as other Councils have.
Makes me wonder how a local company W&S recycling that started in Poole with nothing can make millions out of rubbish and the Borough of Poole cant and why they don't use them or give them the contract as other Councils have. MJD
  • Score: 31

9:02am Thu 24 Jul 14

ben111 says...

I see cllr Dion is missing her blinkers / blindfold in the picture above
I see cllr Dion is missing her blinkers / blindfold in the picture above ben111
  • Score: 14

9:06am Thu 24 Jul 14

BIGTONE says...

Buy a caravan.
Park it on Council land.
Dump it out of the door.
Sorted.
Buy a caravan. Park it on Council land. Dump it out of the door. Sorted. BIGTONE
  • Score: 47

9:10am Thu 24 Jul 14

MCAME1989 says...

Hamworthy residnt wrote:
Why doesn't the council allow recycling at the tip. People would pay a small charge for old bikes, mirrors, furniture etc one persons rubbish may be another's treasure. May not make much money but it would be less in land fill, would help cash strapped residents and help towards the budget.
They do this..or did do this at wareham dump!
There was a small box on a table that you could put donations in for items that you wanted!
[quote][p][bold]Hamworthy residnt[/bold] wrote: Why doesn't the council allow recycling at the tip. People would pay a small charge for old bikes, mirrors, furniture etc one persons rubbish may be another's treasure. May not make much money but it would be less in land fill, would help cash strapped residents and help towards the budget.[/p][/quote]They do this..or did do this at wareham dump! There was a small box on a table that you could put donations in for items that you wanted! MCAME1989
  • Score: 10

9:11am Thu 24 Jul 14

breamoreboy says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Hamworthy residnt wrote:
Why doesn't the council allow recycling at the tip. People would pay a small charge for old bikes, mirrors, furniture etc one persons rubbish may be another's treasure. May not make much money but it would be less in land fill, would help cash strapped residents and help towards the budget.
I suspect Health and Safety jobsworths won't permit this.
Christchurch manages with recycling at the Wilverly Road tip very happily thank you.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hamworthy residnt[/bold] wrote: Why doesn't the council allow recycling at the tip. People would pay a small charge for old bikes, mirrors, furniture etc one persons rubbish may be another's treasure. May not make much money but it would be less in land fill, would help cash strapped residents and help towards the budget.[/p][/quote]I suspect Health and Safety jobsworths won't permit this.[/p][/quote]Christchurch manages with recycling at the Wilverly Road tip very happily thank you. breamoreboy
  • Score: 14

9:13am Thu 24 Jul 14

aboobica says...

Why do I pay council tax, then to be charged more? Is this for REAL?
Why do I pay council tax, then to be charged more? Is this for REAL? aboobica
  • Score: 21

9:13am Thu 24 Jul 14

canfordcherry says...

There is a 3 bedroomed house in Learoyd Rd. that is council owned and has been boarded up for the last couple of years, ok it probably comes under education as it's the old caretaker's house who moved to B'mouth, but while there is around £200k tied up there, and possibly other places in Poole, just rotting, how can they justify making a charge?
There is a 3 bedroomed house in Learoyd Rd. that is council owned and has been boarded up for the last couple of years, ok it probably comes under education as it's the old caretaker's house who moved to B'mouth, but while there is around £200k tied up there, and possibly other places in Poole, just rotting, how can they justify making a charge? canfordcherry
  • Score: 21

9:17am Thu 24 Jul 14

The Liberal says...

Perhaps the council reckon there will be few extra costs concerning fly-tipping because:
 
1) it may well be done in the countryside, outside of Poole Borough, so the problem of another council;
 
2) even if it is tipped in Poole, as long as isn't on council-owned land they won't do anything about it.
Perhaps the council reckon there will be few extra costs concerning fly-tipping because:   1) it may well be done in the countryside, outside of Poole Borough, so the problem of another council;   2) even if it is tipped in Poole, as long as isn't on council-owned land they won't do anything about it. The Liberal
  • Score: 15

9:41am Thu 24 Jul 14

Dibbles2 says...

Ok so we already have to pay for our green bin disposal and to park outside our own homes. Street lights are being turned off and the grass and hedges get cut less often than ever before. How many of us actually use the fire brigade or the police? So what exactly is our council tax paying for???????


education
social services
waste collection & disposal
transport
libraries
housing
planning applications
open spaces & leisure services
housing standards

Even worse if you dont own and car and dont have any kids.
Ok so we already have to pay for our green bin disposal and to park outside our own homes. Street lights are being turned off and the grass and hedges get cut less often than ever before. How many of us actually use the fire brigade or the police? So what exactly is our council tax paying for??????? education social services waste collection & disposal transport libraries housing planning applications open spaces & leisure services housing standards Even worse if you dont own and car and dont have any kids. Dibbles2
  • Score: 11

9:47am Thu 24 Jul 14

John T says...

boyerboy wrote:
I do hope that the voters just remembr this stupid stupid cash raising incentive when the next local elections come around ..............
Do you really think that Poole voters will not be so stupid again, once they have received all the rubbish leaflets from Poole Conservatives saying how they have frozen Council Tax for the last 4 years or so, BUT making no mention of their stealth taxes like this, green bin charges and increased parking charges and much greater enforcement areas? Not to mention, as indeed the Conservative leaflets won't, the savage cuts in care services.
[quote][p][bold]boyerboy[/bold] wrote: I do hope that the voters just remembr this stupid stupid cash raising incentive when the next local elections come around ..............[/p][/quote]Do you really think that Poole voters will not be so stupid again, once they have received all the rubbish leaflets from Poole Conservatives saying how they have frozen Council Tax for the last 4 years or so, BUT making no mention of their stealth taxes like this, green bin charges and increased parking charges and much greater enforcement areas? Not to mention, as indeed the Conservative leaflets won't, the savage cuts in care services. John T
  • Score: 27

9:48am Thu 24 Jul 14

drJones says...

but its ok for Poole Council to put a Skip next the travellers near B&Q!!!! - whats the betting this £250 skip was free thanks to Poole council!! remember this when you want a skip, see if they give one out FOC!
but its ok for Poole Council to put a Skip next the travellers near B&Q!!!! - whats the betting this £250 skip was free thanks to Poole council!! remember this when you want a skip, see if they give one out FOC! drJones
  • Score: 20

9:48am Thu 24 Jul 14

whataboutthat says...

What planet is Xena from?
What planet is Xena from? whataboutthat
  • Score: 7

9:49am Thu 24 Jul 14

Gingertree says...

Well I'm no Mystic Meg but I see a lot of fly tipping in the Poole area from the autumn and for the forseeable future there after
Well I'm no Mystic Meg but I see a lot of fly tipping in the Poole area from the autumn and for the forseeable future there after Gingertree
  • Score: 12

9:50am Thu 24 Jul 14

rotcoddam says...

w and s recycling who operate millhams and christchurch presumably do it and make a decent profit, without charging anybody.. so why can,t poole council do the same. Probably because we elect councillors for belonging to a particular political party and cabinet members are chosen for being mates of council leader, rather than by displaying any experience or competence for the post they are filling.
w and s recycling who operate millhams and christchurch presumably do it and make a decent profit, without charging anybody.. so why can,t poole council do the same. Probably because we elect councillors for belonging to a particular political party and cabinet members are chosen for being mates of council leader, rather than by displaying any experience or competence for the post they are filling. rotcoddam
  • Score: 20

9:53am Thu 24 Jul 14

John T says...

whataboutthat wrote:
What planet is Xena from?
Hopefully, the DIONYERBIKE planet, and with any luck she will soon be returning there!
[quote][p][bold]whataboutthat[/bold] wrote: What planet is Xena from?[/p][/quote]Hopefully, the DIONYERBIKE planet, and with any luck she will soon be returning there! John T
  • Score: 16

10:16am Thu 24 Jul 14

Victor_Meldrew_Lives! says...

Poole tip and their refuse collection service would be better run by a private company. The tip would be open longer hours and would offer you the chance to recycle more and the refuse collection service would not stop for a week at Christmas. Nor would taxpayers be held to ransom by dustmen going on strike as per the other week.

Poole tip has recently been rebuilt costing several million pounds. I had some old paint and I asked a member of staff where it should go?
'Landfill' was his reply.
At Christchurch old tins of paint are left out for people to help themselves to. A much better run tip at Christchurch and it wasn't rebuilt costing millions unlike Poole.
Poole tip and their refuse collection service would be better run by a private company. The tip would be open longer hours and would offer you the chance to recycle more and the refuse collection service would not stop for a week at Christmas. Nor would taxpayers be held to ransom by dustmen going on strike as per the other week. Poole tip has recently been rebuilt costing several million pounds. I had some old paint and I asked a member of staff where it should go? 'Landfill' was his reply. At Christchurch old tins of paint are left out for people to help themselves to. A much better run tip at Christchurch and it wasn't rebuilt costing millions unlike Poole. Victor_Meldrew_Lives!
  • Score: 19

10:36am Thu 24 Jul 14

a.g.o.g. says...

A perfect recipe for fly-tipping that will cost it far more -
A perfect recipe for fly-tipping that will cost it far more - a.g.o.g.
  • Score: 11

10:47am Thu 24 Jul 14

Tig says...

Meantime, Poole Council are apparently going to pay £50 a head for refuse collectors, librarians and receptionists to be sent on compulsory training to help them spot the signs of domestic abuse. That works out at £47,500 - almost as much as they say they need to save.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk
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set-28439273
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Are they serious?
Meantime, Poole Council are apparently going to pay £50 a head for refuse collectors, librarians and receptionists to be sent on compulsory training to help them spot the signs of domestic abuse. That works out at £47,500 - almost as much as they say they need to save. . http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-dor set-28439273 . Are they serious? Tig
  • Score: 12

11:09am Thu 24 Jul 14

Northwoods says...

Cash-strapped?? what happened to their surplus then?

http://www.bournemou
thecho.co.uk/news/11
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Cash-strapped?? what happened to their surplus then? http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/11 290834.Poole_council ____makes___2m_profi t____despite_no_coun cil_tax_rise/ Northwoods
  • Score: 10

11:14am Thu 24 Jul 14

Mr Angry. says...

Dont these clowns realise that it will just be dumped in the woods and lay bys!!! false economy, it will cost more to clean up the mess thats been dumped
Dont these clowns realise that it will just be dumped in the woods and lay bys!!! false economy, it will cost more to clean up the mess thats been dumped Mr Angry.
  • Score: 14

11:18am Thu 24 Jul 14

Ragwin says...

If we had 24 councillors instead of 54 councillors, we'd be able to save £400,000 on expenses each year.
If we had 24 councillors instead of 54 councillors, we'd be able to save £400,000 on expenses each year. Ragwin
  • Score: 26

11:51am Thu 24 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Baysider wrote:
The answer to the question of why is in the story. Central government has done a remarkable job of clawing back the money it allocates to local government in raised taxes, etc. Give with one hand take away with the other. No doubt we will have a succession of "I pay my council taxes for this..." posts on this story but you don't. What you pay is almost all going on social services so it's not surprising other council ran services are looking to cover their costs in other ways or cutting services. We cannot expect the same levels of service we had 5 years ago.
And yet Poole council made £2 million profit last year, how does that figure into your usual rather one side perception of reality?
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: The answer to the question of why is in the story. Central government has done a remarkable job of clawing back the money it allocates to local government in raised taxes, etc. Give with one hand take away with the other. No doubt we will have a succession of "I pay my council taxes for this..." posts on this story but you don't. What you pay is almost all going on social services so it's not surprising other council ran services are looking to cover their costs in other ways or cutting services. We cannot expect the same levels of service we had 5 years ago.[/p][/quote]And yet Poole council made £2 million profit last year, how does that figure into your usual rather one side perception of reality? Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 6

12:10pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

I actually attended the cabinet meeting where they pushed these changes through. I even somewhat embarrassingly laughed out loud as Xion praised what sterling work they do at our local tip. After the meeting I explained a situation I had to endure at three local tips after filling our works van, which I owned btw. With rubbish from not just our home but also neighbours after a recent storm. Poole tip - You can only bring vans on a Wednesday, Ferndown you can not bring vans here only cars or trailers, but the best of the bunch was Wimborne, you can only tip with a van if it is a hire van and you have to produce your hire agreement. I wonder what these further restrictions will be because there can't be many options left really. Why would anyone who owns a van need to hire one just to dump rubbish? End result of my dilemma because we needed that van empty for Monday was to dump the rubbish on a piece of land and I paid someone £80 to pick it up and dump it.

Seriously what difference does it make how you transport rubbish to a tip, so long as you are paying your council tax and can prove it, you should be able to use any method you want. I pointed out to her then that this ludicrous idea of charging and adding even further restrictions on vans will only lead to even more fly tipping. That is without doubt an undeniable fact and I am sure they are fully aware of that because no one could possibly be so stupid not to!

At the all Tory cabinet meeting there was not a single objection raised against this and there was even one idea going through about removing bins in open spaces and making people take their dog poo home with them. I kid you not on that one.
I actually attended the cabinet meeting where they pushed these changes through. I even somewhat embarrassingly laughed out loud as Xion praised what sterling work they do at our local tip. After the meeting I explained a situation I had to endure at three local tips after filling our works van, which I owned btw. With rubbish from not just our home but also neighbours after a recent storm. Poole tip - You can only bring vans on a Wednesday, Ferndown you can not bring vans here only cars or trailers, but the best of the bunch was Wimborne, you can only tip with a van if it is a hire van and you have to produce your hire agreement. I wonder what these further restrictions will be because there can't be many options left really. Why would anyone who owns a van need to hire one just to dump rubbish? End result of my dilemma because we needed that van empty for Monday was to dump the rubbish on a piece of land and I paid someone £80 to pick it up and dump it. Seriously what difference does it make how you transport rubbish to a tip, so long as you are paying your council tax and can prove it, you should be able to use any method you want. I pointed out to her then that this ludicrous idea of charging and adding even further restrictions on vans will only lead to even more fly tipping. That is without doubt an undeniable fact and I am sure they are fully aware of that because no one could possibly be so stupid not to! At the all Tory cabinet meeting there was not a single objection raised against this and there was even one idea going through about removing bins in open spaces and making people take their dog poo home with them. I kid you not on that one. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 12

12:15pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Wageslave says...

If you are a gypsy / traveller they will clean up all your mess after you for free
If you are a gypsy / traveller they will clean up all your mess after you for free Wageslave
  • Score: 18

12:30pm Thu 24 Jul 14

dennisterrey says...

More fly-tipping. God our Government / Council is so out of touch, have had enough.
More fly-tipping. God our Government / Council is so out of touch, have had enough. dennisterrey
  • Score: 9

12:34pm Thu 24 Jul 14

chrisii1991 says...

what do we pay council tax for exactly?
what do we pay council tax for exactly? chrisii1991
  • Score: 9

12:36pm Thu 24 Jul 14

speedy231278 says...

Shouldn't have wasted all that money on the Twin Fails Bodge.
Shouldn't have wasted all that money on the Twin Fails Bodge. speedy231278
  • Score: 12

12:39pm Thu 24 Jul 14

chrisii1991 says...

Dibbles2 wrote:
Ok so we already have to pay for our green bin disposal and to park outside our own homes. Street lights are being turned off and the grass and hedges get cut less often than ever before. How many of us actually use the fire brigade or the police? So what exactly is our council tax paying for???????


education
social services
waste collection & disposal
transport
libraries
housing
planning applications
open spaces & leisure services
housing standards

Even worse if you dont own and car and dont have any kids.
i am going to say it but council tax isnt value for money
[quote][p][bold]Dibbles2[/bold] wrote: Ok so we already have to pay for our green bin disposal and to park outside our own homes. Street lights are being turned off and the grass and hedges get cut less often than ever before. How many of us actually use the fire brigade or the police? So what exactly is our council tax paying for??????? education social services waste collection & disposal transport libraries housing planning applications open spaces & leisure services housing standards Even worse if you dont own and car and dont have any kids.[/p][/quote]i am going to say it but council tax isnt value for money chrisii1991
  • Score: 7

12:43pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
I actually attended the cabinet meeting where they pushed these changes through. I even somewhat embarrassingly laughed out loud as Xion praised what sterling work they do at our local tip. After the meeting I explained a situation I had to endure at three local tips after filling our works van, which I owned btw. With rubbish from not just our home but also neighbours after a recent storm. Poole tip - You can only bring vans on a Wednesday, Ferndown you can not bring vans here only cars or trailers, but the best of the bunch was Wimborne, you can only tip with a van if it is a hire van and you have to produce your hire agreement. I wonder what these further restrictions will be because there can't be many options left really. Why would anyone who owns a van need to hire one just to dump rubbish? End result of my dilemma because we needed that van empty for Monday was to dump the rubbish on a piece of land and I paid someone £80 to pick it up and dump it.

Seriously what difference does it make how you transport rubbish to a tip, so long as you are paying your council tax and can prove it, you should be able to use any method you want. I pointed out to her then that this ludicrous idea of charging and adding even further restrictions on vans will only lead to even more fly tipping. That is without doubt an undeniable fact and I am sure they are fully aware of that because no one could possibly be so stupid not to!

At the all Tory cabinet meeting there was not a single objection raised against this and there was even one idea going through about removing bins in open spaces and making people take their dog poo home with them. I kid you not on that one.
Apologies to Xena Dion for misspelling her name, I'll blame the heat on that one ;)
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: I actually attended the cabinet meeting where they pushed these changes through. I even somewhat embarrassingly laughed out loud as Xion praised what sterling work they do at our local tip. After the meeting I explained a situation I had to endure at three local tips after filling our works van, which I owned btw. With rubbish from not just our home but also neighbours after a recent storm. Poole tip - You can only bring vans on a Wednesday, Ferndown you can not bring vans here only cars or trailers, but the best of the bunch was Wimborne, you can only tip with a van if it is a hire van and you have to produce your hire agreement. I wonder what these further restrictions will be because there can't be many options left really. Why would anyone who owns a van need to hire one just to dump rubbish? End result of my dilemma because we needed that van empty for Monday was to dump the rubbish on a piece of land and I paid someone £80 to pick it up and dump it. Seriously what difference does it make how you transport rubbish to a tip, so long as you are paying your council tax and can prove it, you should be able to use any method you want. I pointed out to her then that this ludicrous idea of charging and adding even further restrictions on vans will only lead to even more fly tipping. That is without doubt an undeniable fact and I am sure they are fully aware of that because no one could possibly be so stupid not to! At the all Tory cabinet meeting there was not a single objection raised against this and there was even one idea going through about removing bins in open spaces and making people take their dog poo home with them. I kid you not on that one.[/p][/quote]Apologies to Xena Dion for misspelling her name, I'll blame the heat on that one ;) Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 1

12:50pm Thu 24 Jul 14

speedy231278 says...

MJD wrote:
Makes me wonder how a local company W&S recycling that started in Poole with nothing can make millions out of rubbish and the Borough of Poole cant and why they don't use them or give them the contract as other Councils have.
Even more so when their recycling centre at Millhams has the percentage recycled last month by the exit and for the last few years it has steadily declined from over 90% to low 80s.....
[quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Makes me wonder how a local company W&S recycling that started in Poole with nothing can make millions out of rubbish and the Borough of Poole cant and why they don't use them or give them the contract as other Councils have.[/p][/quote]Even more so when their recycling centre at Millhams has the percentage recycled last month by the exit and for the last few years it has steadily declined from over 90% to low 80s..... speedy231278
  • Score: 5

12:51pm Thu 24 Jul 14

speedy231278 says...

How much is it costing to send skips and bogs out to every illegal encampment this summer? Are locals being charged to get rid of their waste in order to pay for the freeloader's free gifts?
How much is it costing to send skips and bogs out to every illegal encampment this summer? Are locals being charged to get rid of their waste in order to pay for the freeloader's free gifts? speedy231278
  • Score: 11

12:55pm Thu 24 Jul 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

djd wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Hamworthy residnt wrote:
Why doesn't the council allow recycling at the tip. People would pay a small charge for old bikes, mirrors, furniture etc one persons rubbish may be another's treasure. May not make much money but it would be less in land fill, would help cash strapped residents and help towards the budget.
I suspect Health and Safety jobsworths won't permit this.
They do so at Christchurch and I believe at Millhams.
I remember that this practice was stopped at Millams tip a while back due to "Health and Safety" concerns, so good news now if common sense is now prevailing
[quote][p][bold]djd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hamworthy residnt[/bold] wrote: Why doesn't the council allow recycling at the tip. People would pay a small charge for old bikes, mirrors, furniture etc one persons rubbish may be another's treasure. May not make much money but it would be less in land fill, would help cash strapped residents and help towards the budget.[/p][/quote]I suspect Health and Safety jobsworths won't permit this.[/p][/quote]They do so at Christchurch and I believe at Millhams.[/p][/quote]I remember that this practice was stopped at Millams tip a while back due to "Health and Safety" concerns, so good news now if common sense is now prevailing fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 7

12:56pm Thu 24 Jul 14

BmthNewshound says...

There are some really good comments, I hope that the Echo brings them to the attention of Cllr Dion, she may learn something.
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With the increase in fly tipping and administration costs involved in collecting the charges it is highly likely that this crazy proposal will cost the Council more than the £50k it hopes to save.
There are some really good comments, I hope that the Echo brings them to the attention of Cllr Dion, she may learn something. . With the increase in fly tipping and administration costs involved in collecting the charges it is highly likely that this crazy proposal will cost the Council more than the £50k it hopes to save. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 10

12:59pm Thu 24 Jul 14

John T says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
I actually attended the cabinet meeting where they pushed these changes through. I even somewhat embarrassingly laughed out loud as Xion praised what sterling work they do at our local tip. After the meeting I explained a situation I had to endure at three local tips after filling our works van, which I owned btw. With rubbish from not just our home but also neighbours after a recent storm. Poole tip - You can only bring vans on a Wednesday, Ferndown you can not bring vans here only cars or trailers, but the best of the bunch was Wimborne, you can only tip with a van if it is a hire van and you have to produce your hire agreement. I wonder what these further restrictions will be because there can't be many options left really. Why would anyone who owns a van need to hire one just to dump rubbish? End result of my dilemma because we needed that van empty for Monday was to dump the rubbish on a piece of land and I paid someone £80 to pick it up and dump it.

Seriously what difference does it make how you transport rubbish to a tip, so long as you are paying your council tax and can prove it, you should be able to use any method you want. I pointed out to her then that this ludicrous idea of charging and adding even further restrictions on vans will only lead to even more fly tipping. That is without doubt an undeniable fact and I am sure they are fully aware of that because no one could possibly be so stupid not to!

At the all Tory cabinet meeting there was not a single objection raised against this and there was even one idea going through about removing bins in open spaces and making people take their dog poo home with them. I kid you not on that one.
Apologies to Xena Dion for misspelling her name, I'll blame the heat on that one ;)
With any luck, the witch may put a spell on you.....but it will cost you! :)
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: I actually attended the cabinet meeting where they pushed these changes through. I even somewhat embarrassingly laughed out loud as Xion praised what sterling work they do at our local tip. After the meeting I explained a situation I had to endure at three local tips after filling our works van, which I owned btw. With rubbish from not just our home but also neighbours after a recent storm. Poole tip - You can only bring vans on a Wednesday, Ferndown you can not bring vans here only cars or trailers, but the best of the bunch was Wimborne, you can only tip with a van if it is a hire van and you have to produce your hire agreement. I wonder what these further restrictions will be because there can't be many options left really. Why would anyone who owns a van need to hire one just to dump rubbish? End result of my dilemma because we needed that van empty for Monday was to dump the rubbish on a piece of land and I paid someone £80 to pick it up and dump it. Seriously what difference does it make how you transport rubbish to a tip, so long as you are paying your council tax and can prove it, you should be able to use any method you want. I pointed out to her then that this ludicrous idea of charging and adding even further restrictions on vans will only lead to even more fly tipping. That is without doubt an undeniable fact and I am sure they are fully aware of that because no one could possibly be so stupid not to! At the all Tory cabinet meeting there was not a single objection raised against this and there was even one idea going through about removing bins in open spaces and making people take their dog poo home with them. I kid you not on that one.[/p][/quote]Apologies to Xena Dion for misspelling her name, I'll blame the heat on that one ;)[/p][/quote]With any luck, the witch may put a spell on you.....but it will cost you! :) John T
  • Score: 15

1:06pm Thu 24 Jul 14

burgerboy says...

John T wrote:
whataboutthat wrote:
What planet is Xena from?
Hopefully, the DIONYERBIKE planet, and with any luck she will soon be returning there!
Would you trust anyone with a name that sound like a 1970's p*rn star.
[quote][p][bold]John T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whataboutthat[/bold] wrote: What planet is Xena from?[/p][/quote]Hopefully, the DIONYERBIKE planet, and with any luck she will soon be returning there![/p][/quote]Would you trust anyone with a name that sound like a 1970's p*rn star. burgerboy
  • Score: 25

1:12pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
There are some really good comments, I hope that the Echo brings them to the attention of Cllr Dion, she may learn something.
.
With the increase in fly tipping and administration costs involved in collecting the charges it is highly likely that this crazy proposal will cost the Council more than the £50k it hopes to save.
I wonder how many of them will read your comment and think thats ok we will just raise the charges. It seems to be a common occurrence these days to stick it to those who do the right thing for the benefit of those who don't.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: There are some really good comments, I hope that the Echo brings them to the attention of Cllr Dion, she may learn something. . With the increase in fly tipping and administration costs involved in collecting the charges it is highly likely that this crazy proposal will cost the Council more than the £50k it hopes to save.[/p][/quote]I wonder how many of them will read your comment and think thats ok we will just raise the charges. It seems to be a common occurrence these days to stick it to those who do the right thing for the benefit of those who don't. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 10

1:57pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Dorset_villager says...

All these ridiculous ideas have a champion: Cllr Dion maybe the people of poole who pay the council tax and expect some service for it need to repay her for these stupid ideas with a vote against her. Whenever poole council comes up with a crazy idea or an idea to charge us for something she is the person making the bad decision, time she was elsewhere!
All these ridiculous ideas have a champion: Cllr Dion maybe the people of poole who pay the council tax and expect some service for it need to repay her for these stupid ideas with a vote against her. Whenever poole council comes up with a crazy idea or an idea to charge us for something she is the person making the bad decision, time she was elsewhere! Dorset_villager
  • Score: 13

2:16pm Thu 24 Jul 14

johnx says...

Simple solution - we all get an old caravan and take the rubbish to any of the usual traveller sites such as Baiter, Poole Park etc etc and become travellers for the day and immune from any laws or charges.
Simple solution - we all get an old caravan and take the rubbish to any of the usual traveller sites such as Baiter, Poole Park etc etc and become travellers for the day and immune from any laws or charges. johnx
  • Score: 19

2:24pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

Cllr Xena Dion, cabinet portfolio holder for the environment, Borough of Poole, said: “The council, and therefore our council taxpayers, incur a significant cost as a result of people disposing of non-household materials at our waste and recycling centre.
Stupid woman, council tax payers also incur a cost to clear up fly tipping which is significantly higher than the cost of getting rid of the rubbish from council tips, don't these people ever think of the implications when chasing other ways to raise revenue.
Cllr Xena Dion, cabinet portfolio holder for the environment, Borough of Poole, said: “The council, and therefore our council taxpayers, incur a significant cost as a result of people disposing of non-household materials at our waste and recycling centre. Stupid woman, council tax payers also incur a cost to clear up fly tipping which is significantly higher than the cost of getting rid of the rubbish from council tips, don't these people ever think of the implications when chasing other ways to raise revenue. Hessenford
  • Score: 13

2:36pm Thu 24 Jul 14

John T says...

Marcus James wrote:
They spend over £60k NOT appointing a Chief Exec, but now want to SAVE £50k by charging people to dump rubbish
How do we end up with these idiots running our council??
By NOT voting for someone other than the Conservatives!
[quote][p][bold]Marcus James[/bold] wrote: They spend over £60k NOT appointing a Chief Exec, but now want to SAVE £50k by charging people to dump rubbish How do we end up with these idiots running our council??[/p][/quote]By NOT voting for someone other than the Conservatives! John T
  • Score: 16

2:36pm Thu 24 Jul 14

perthsteve says...

If this charge is introduced it will be the thin end of the wedge as other councils, in other parts of the country, charge to use their recycling centres for any waste and I'm sure if the tories end up running Poole Council after next Spring's elections the standard charge will be introduced for any waste dumped. And as the song says "Your children will be next!".
If this charge is introduced it will be the thin end of the wedge as other councils, in other parts of the country, charge to use their recycling centres for any waste and I'm sure if the tories end up running Poole Council after next Spring's elections the standard charge will be introduced for any waste dumped. And as the song says "Your children will be next!". perthsteve
  • Score: 11

2:55pm Thu 24 Jul 14

davecook says...

MJD wrote:
Makes me wonder how a local company W&S recycling that started in Poole with nothing can make millions out of rubbish and the Borough of Poole cant and why they don't use them or give them the contract as other Councils have.
Weymouth & Sherborne recycling make money because they are a well run private company, and get paid for the work they do. Most councils are run by people with no business sense, and can only cope with life because they pay themselves so much more than people struggling in the private sector........ just ignore the rubbish put out by the unions about low pay, the hourly rates are quite good, the workers just have to put up with 3rd rate management and 4th rate unions.
[quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Makes me wonder how a local company W&S recycling that started in Poole with nothing can make millions out of rubbish and the Borough of Poole cant and why they don't use them or give them the contract as other Councils have.[/p][/quote]Weymouth & Sherborne recycling make money because they are a well run private company, and get paid for the work they do. Most councils are run by people with no business sense, and can only cope with life because they pay themselves so much more than people struggling in the private sector........ just ignore the rubbish put out by the unions about low pay, the hourly rates are quite good, the workers just have to put up with 3rd rate management and 4th rate unions. davecook
  • Score: 4

3:11pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Baysider says...

As expected we have all the usual suspects out airing their views based on little more than prejudices and preconceptions. After year on year of no increases to council taxes, coupled with lower central government funding and higher disposal costs is it any wonder that all authorities are looking to recover those costs from those using the services most?

A business would simply raise charges or stop providing those services but apparently the average Echo reader expects to retain the same levels of service they received 5 or 10 years ago when the economic goalposts for local authorities haven't just been moved but are out of sight.

Again, if you voted Tory last time you are getting the cuts to local services you voted for.
As expected we have all the usual suspects out airing their views based on little more than prejudices and preconceptions. After year on year of no increases to council taxes, coupled with lower central government funding and higher disposal costs is it any wonder that all authorities are looking to recover those costs from those using the services most? A business would simply raise charges or stop providing those services but apparently the average Echo reader expects to retain the same levels of service they received 5 or 10 years ago when the economic goalposts for local authorities haven't just been moved but are out of sight. Again, if you voted Tory last time you are getting the cuts to local services you voted for. Baysider
  • Score: 2

3:23pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Baysider wrote:
As expected we have all the usual suspects out airing their views based on little more than prejudices and preconceptions. After year on year of no increases to council taxes, coupled with lower central government funding and higher disposal costs is it any wonder that all authorities are looking to recover those costs from those using the services most?

A business would simply raise charges or stop providing those services but apparently the average Echo reader expects to retain the same levels of service they received 5 or 10 years ago when the economic goalposts for local authorities haven't just been moved but are out of sight.

Again, if you voted Tory last time you are getting the cuts to local services you voted for.
'prejudices and preconceptions' ? I do think that anyone with an IQ greater than that of a lettuce leaf can work out this will only lead to far more illegal fly tipping incidents, which will undoubtedly cost the council far more than they will save.

Btw not increasing council tax and then charging for services that used to be free is in fact the same as increasing council tax as far as I can see.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: As expected we have all the usual suspects out airing their views based on little more than prejudices and preconceptions. After year on year of no increases to council taxes, coupled with lower central government funding and higher disposal costs is it any wonder that all authorities are looking to recover those costs from those using the services most? A business would simply raise charges or stop providing those services but apparently the average Echo reader expects to retain the same levels of service they received 5 or 10 years ago when the economic goalposts for local authorities haven't just been moved but are out of sight. Again, if you voted Tory last time you are getting the cuts to local services you voted for.[/p][/quote]'prejudices and preconceptions' ? I do think that anyone with an IQ greater than that of a lettuce leaf can work out this will only lead to far more illegal fly tipping incidents, which will undoubtedly cost the council far more than they will save. Btw not increasing council tax and then charging for services that used to be free is in fact the same as increasing council tax as far as I can see. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 12

3:26pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Victor_Meldrew_Lives! says...

Tig wrote:
Meantime, Poole Council are apparently going to pay £50 a head for refuse collectors, librarians and receptionists to be sent on compulsory training to help them spot the signs of domestic abuse. That works out at £47,500 - almost as much as they say they need to save.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-england-dor

set-28439273
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Are they serious?
This is a total disgrace. Refuse collectors have barely any contact with the public. Librarians and receptionists being trained this way is risible too.
A business would not be so frivolous with their money.
300k on a gaudy bus station mural, thousands updating needless traffic lights at Fleetsbridge.
These people are massively out of touch with their electorate.
[quote][p][bold]Tig[/bold] wrote: Meantime, Poole Council are apparently going to pay £50 a head for refuse collectors, librarians and receptionists to be sent on compulsory training to help them spot the signs of domestic abuse. That works out at £47,500 - almost as much as they say they need to save. . http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-dor set-28439273 . Are they serious?[/p][/quote]This is a total disgrace. Refuse collectors have barely any contact with the public. Librarians and receptionists being trained this way is risible too. A business would not be so frivolous with their money. 300k on a gaudy bus station mural, thousands updating needless traffic lights at Fleetsbridge. These people are massively out of touch with their electorate. Victor_Meldrew_Lives!
  • Score: 15

3:51pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

Baysider wrote:
As expected we have all the usual suspects out airing their views based on little more than prejudices and preconceptions. After year on year of no increases to council taxes, coupled with lower central government funding and higher disposal costs is it any wonder that all authorities are looking to recover those costs from those using the services most?

A business would simply raise charges or stop providing those services but apparently the average Echo reader expects to retain the same levels of service they received 5 or 10 years ago when the economic goalposts for local authorities haven't just been moved but are out of sight.

Again, if you voted Tory last time you are getting the cuts to local services you voted for.
Or on the other hand, after year on year of no wage rises for all council tax payers, coupled with higher and higher energy bills, higher food bills, interest rates shortly to go up, is it any wonder that we all think that this is a ridiculous exercise, there will be no saving what so ever because extra money will have to be found to clear up all the fly tipping this will cause, it has already been said that the council has wasted 300k on a gaudy bus station mural, thousands updating needless traffic lights at Fleetsbridge and Poole Council are apparently going to pay £50 a head for refuse collectors, librarians and receptionists to be sent on compulsory training to help them spot the signs of domestic abuse. That works out at £47,500 - , if they can afford this amount of waste why should council tax payers be forced to shell out even more to get rid of rubbish the council refuse to collect, total daylight robbery.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: As expected we have all the usual suspects out airing their views based on little more than prejudices and preconceptions. After year on year of no increases to council taxes, coupled with lower central government funding and higher disposal costs is it any wonder that all authorities are looking to recover those costs from those using the services most? A business would simply raise charges or stop providing those services but apparently the average Echo reader expects to retain the same levels of service they received 5 or 10 years ago when the economic goalposts for local authorities haven't just been moved but are out of sight. Again, if you voted Tory last time you are getting the cuts to local services you voted for.[/p][/quote]Or on the other hand, after year on year of no wage rises for all council tax payers, coupled with higher and higher energy bills, higher food bills, interest rates shortly to go up, is it any wonder that we all think that this is a ridiculous exercise, there will be no saving what so ever because extra money will have to be found to clear up all the fly tipping this will cause, it has already been said that the council has wasted 300k on a gaudy bus station mural, thousands updating needless traffic lights at Fleetsbridge and Poole Council are apparently going to pay £50 a head for refuse collectors, librarians and receptionists to be sent on compulsory training to help them spot the signs of domestic abuse. That works out at £47,500 - , if they can afford this amount of waste why should council tax payers be forced to shell out even more to get rid of rubbish the council refuse to collect, total daylight robbery. Hessenford
  • Score: 13

3:51pm Thu 24 Jul 14

rozmister says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
I actually attended the cabinet meeting where they pushed these changes through. I even somewhat embarrassingly laughed out loud as Xion praised what sterling work they do at our local tip. After the meeting I explained a situation I had to endure at three local tips after filling our works van, which I owned btw. With rubbish from not just our home but also neighbours after a recent storm. Poole tip - You can only bring vans on a Wednesday, Ferndown you can not bring vans here only cars or trailers, but the best of the bunch was Wimborne, you can only tip with a van if it is a hire van and you have to produce your hire agreement. I wonder what these further restrictions will be because there can't be many options left really. Why would anyone who owns a van need to hire one just to dump rubbish? End result of my dilemma because we needed that van empty for Monday was to dump the rubbish on a piece of land and I paid someone £80 to pick it up and dump it.

Seriously what difference does it make how you transport rubbish to a tip, so long as you are paying your council tax and can prove it, you should be able to use any method you want. I pointed out to her then that this ludicrous idea of charging and adding even further restrictions on vans will only lead to even more fly tipping. That is without doubt an undeniable fact and I am sure they are fully aware of that because no one could possibly be so stupid not to!

At the all Tory cabinet meeting there was not a single objection raised against this and there was even one idea going through about removing bins in open spaces and making people take their dog poo home with them. I kid you not on that one.
It's to stop people filling their work van with trade waste & dropping it off for free (e.g taxpayers expense) rather than paying for disposal. You may be an honest person trying to dispose of household waste but there are plenty of chancers happy to stitch up council taxpayers for their own gain & they've ruined it for everyone else.

Speedy231278 - legislation around what counts as recycling has changed & I think this is why the figures have gone down. The waste being left & the process are the same as always but they can't call some of it recycling anymore.

Millhams do have a wee shop too so it's not H & S but laziness on Poole's part.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: I actually attended the cabinet meeting where they pushed these changes through. I even somewhat embarrassingly laughed out loud as Xion praised what sterling work they do at our local tip. After the meeting I explained a situation I had to endure at three local tips after filling our works van, which I owned btw. With rubbish from not just our home but also neighbours after a recent storm. Poole tip - You can only bring vans on a Wednesday, Ferndown you can not bring vans here only cars or trailers, but the best of the bunch was Wimborne, you can only tip with a van if it is a hire van and you have to produce your hire agreement. I wonder what these further restrictions will be because there can't be many options left really. Why would anyone who owns a van need to hire one just to dump rubbish? End result of my dilemma because we needed that van empty for Monday was to dump the rubbish on a piece of land and I paid someone £80 to pick it up and dump it. Seriously what difference does it make how you transport rubbish to a tip, so long as you are paying your council tax and can prove it, you should be able to use any method you want. I pointed out to her then that this ludicrous idea of charging and adding even further restrictions on vans will only lead to even more fly tipping. That is without doubt an undeniable fact and I am sure they are fully aware of that because no one could possibly be so stupid not to! At the all Tory cabinet meeting there was not a single objection raised against this and there was even one idea going through about removing bins in open spaces and making people take their dog poo home with them. I kid you not on that one.[/p][/quote]It's to stop people filling their work van with trade waste & dropping it off for free (e.g taxpayers expense) rather than paying for disposal. You may be an honest person trying to dispose of household waste but there are plenty of chancers happy to stitch up council taxpayers for their own gain & they've ruined it for everyone else. Speedy231278 - legislation around what counts as recycling has changed & I think this is why the figures have gone down. The waste being left & the process are the same as always but they can't call some of it recycling anymore. Millhams do have a wee shop too so it's not H & S but laziness on Poole's part. rozmister
  • Score: 7

4:22pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Baysider says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
As expected we have all the usual suspects out airing their views based on little more than prejudices and preconceptions. After year on year of no increases to council taxes, coupled with lower central government funding and higher disposal costs is it any wonder that all authorities are looking to recover those costs from those using the services most?

A business would simply raise charges or stop providing those services but apparently the average Echo reader expects to retain the same levels of service they received 5 or 10 years ago when the economic goalposts for local authorities haven't just been moved but are out of sight.

Again, if you voted Tory last time you are getting the cuts to local services you voted for.
'prejudices and preconceptions' ? I do think that anyone with an IQ greater than that of a lettuce leaf can work out this will only lead to far more illegal fly tipping incidents, which will undoubtedly cost the council far more than they will save.

Btw not increasing council tax and then charging for services that used to be free is in fact the same as increasing council tax as far as I can see.
You don't KNOW that though unless you are actually involved in the handling of refuse and recycling. I'm not either but I would expect those whose job it is to know these things to have looked the situation and made a proper, professional assessment of the additional costs around any increase in fly tipping and offset this against the additional income. As any business would do in the light of what is a fairly obvious potential consequence.

You on the other hand have made an assumption based on your prejudices that all council staff don't have the foresight of your proverbial lettuce leaf. Which is more likely to be the case?
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: As expected we have all the usual suspects out airing their views based on little more than prejudices and preconceptions. After year on year of no increases to council taxes, coupled with lower central government funding and higher disposal costs is it any wonder that all authorities are looking to recover those costs from those using the services most? A business would simply raise charges or stop providing those services but apparently the average Echo reader expects to retain the same levels of service they received 5 or 10 years ago when the economic goalposts for local authorities haven't just been moved but are out of sight. Again, if you voted Tory last time you are getting the cuts to local services you voted for.[/p][/quote]'prejudices and preconceptions' ? I do think that anyone with an IQ greater than that of a lettuce leaf can work out this will only lead to far more illegal fly tipping incidents, which will undoubtedly cost the council far more than they will save. Btw not increasing council tax and then charging for services that used to be free is in fact the same as increasing council tax as far as I can see.[/p][/quote]You don't KNOW that though unless you are actually involved in the handling of refuse and recycling. I'm not either but I would expect those whose job it is to know these things to have looked the situation and made a proper, professional assessment of the additional costs around any increase in fly tipping and offset this against the additional income. As any business would do in the light of what is a fairly obvious potential consequence. You on the other hand have made an assumption based on your prejudices that all council staff don't have the foresight of your proverbial lettuce leaf. Which is more likely to be the case? Baysider
  • Score: -1

4:45pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
As expected we have all the usual suspects out airing their views based on little more than prejudices and preconceptions. After year on year of no increases to council taxes, coupled with lower central government funding and higher disposal costs is it any wonder that all authorities are looking to recover those costs from those using the services most?

A business would simply raise charges or stop providing those services but apparently the average Echo reader expects to retain the same levels of service they received 5 or 10 years ago when the economic goalposts for local authorities haven't just been moved but are out of sight.

Again, if you voted Tory last time you are getting the cuts to local services you voted for.
'prejudices and preconceptions' ? I do think that anyone with an IQ greater than that of a lettuce leaf can work out this will only lead to far more illegal fly tipping incidents, which will undoubtedly cost the council far more than they will save.

Btw not increasing council tax and then charging for services that used to be free is in fact the same as increasing council tax as far as I can see.
You don't KNOW that though unless you are actually involved in the handling of refuse and recycling. I'm not either but I would expect those whose job it is to know these things to have looked the situation and made a proper, professional assessment of the additional costs around any increase in fly tipping and offset this against the additional income. As any business would do in the light of what is a fairly obvious potential consequence.

You on the other hand have made an assumption based on your prejudices that all council staff don't have the foresight of your proverbial lettuce leaf. Which is more likely to be the case?
You are making statements and assumptions in exactly the same way as Marty Caine UKIP, Unlike Marty Caine UKIP you have stated that you are not involved in the running of refuse or recycling so why should your argument be any more believable.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: As expected we have all the usual suspects out airing their views based on little more than prejudices and preconceptions. After year on year of no increases to council taxes, coupled with lower central government funding and higher disposal costs is it any wonder that all authorities are looking to recover those costs from those using the services most? A business would simply raise charges or stop providing those services but apparently the average Echo reader expects to retain the same levels of service they received 5 or 10 years ago when the economic goalposts for local authorities haven't just been moved but are out of sight. Again, if you voted Tory last time you are getting the cuts to local services you voted for.[/p][/quote]'prejudices and preconceptions' ? I do think that anyone with an IQ greater than that of a lettuce leaf can work out this will only lead to far more illegal fly tipping incidents, which will undoubtedly cost the council far more than they will save. Btw not increasing council tax and then charging for services that used to be free is in fact the same as increasing council tax as far as I can see.[/p][/quote]You don't KNOW that though unless you are actually involved in the handling of refuse and recycling. I'm not either but I would expect those whose job it is to know these things to have looked the situation and made a proper, professional assessment of the additional costs around any increase in fly tipping and offset this against the additional income. As any business would do in the light of what is a fairly obvious potential consequence. You on the other hand have made an assumption based on your prejudices that all council staff don't have the foresight of your proverbial lettuce leaf. Which is more likely to be the case?[/p][/quote]You are making statements and assumptions in exactly the same way as Marty Caine UKIP, Unlike Marty Caine UKIP you have stated that you are not involved in the running of refuse or recycling so why should your argument be any more believable. Hessenford
  • Score: 5

4:51pm Thu 24 Jul 14

O'Reilly says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
You used to be able to buy stuff from the tip.In the past I've had a sewing machine for £10, a bike for £5 and a portable typewriter for £1.
It is what is known as recycling.....(I thought the goverment were in favour of that?) Of course they don't want the workers at the tip earning a bit of extra bunce so the 'Elf & Safety' mantra is rolled out.......
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: You used to be able to buy stuff from the tip.In the past I've had a sewing machine for £10, a bike for £5 and a portable typewriter for £1.[/p][/quote]It is what is known as recycling.....(I thought the goverment were in favour of that?) Of course they don't want the workers at the tip earning a bit of extra bunce so the 'Elf & Safety' mantra is rolled out....... O'Reilly
  • Score: 4

4:55pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
As expected we have all the usual suspects out airing their views based on little more than prejudices and preconceptions. After year on year of no increases to council taxes, coupled with lower central government funding and higher disposal costs is it any wonder that all authorities are looking to recover those costs from those using the services most?

A business would simply raise charges or stop providing those services but apparently the average Echo reader expects to retain the same levels of service they received 5 or 10 years ago when the economic goalposts for local authorities haven't just been moved but are out of sight.

Again, if you voted Tory last time you are getting the cuts to local services you voted for.
'prejudices and preconceptions' ? I do think that anyone with an IQ greater than that of a lettuce leaf can work out this will only lead to far more illegal fly tipping incidents, which will undoubtedly cost the council far more than they will save.

Btw not increasing council tax and then charging for services that used to be free is in fact the same as increasing council tax as far as I can see.
You don't KNOW that though unless you are actually involved in the handling of refuse and recycling. I'm not either but I would expect those whose job it is to know these things to have looked the situation and made a proper, professional assessment of the additional costs around any increase in fly tipping and offset this against the additional income. As any business would do in the light of what is a fairly obvious potential consequence.

You on the other hand have made an assumption based on your prejudices that all council staff don't have the foresight of your proverbial lettuce leaf. Which is more likely to be the case?
Where have I mentioned all council staff ? You sound like a typical LibDem making it up as you go along....

This was yet another decision decided by the 7 tories on the cabinet, which most people know I am totally against that system, I certainly have never hidden that fact. I was actually at the meeting to witness the jovial comments that were being made whilst this was being pushed through, were you?
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: As expected we have all the usual suspects out airing their views based on little more than prejudices and preconceptions. After year on year of no increases to council taxes, coupled with lower central government funding and higher disposal costs is it any wonder that all authorities are looking to recover those costs from those using the services most? A business would simply raise charges or stop providing those services but apparently the average Echo reader expects to retain the same levels of service they received 5 or 10 years ago when the economic goalposts for local authorities haven't just been moved but are out of sight. Again, if you voted Tory last time you are getting the cuts to local services you voted for.[/p][/quote]'prejudices and preconceptions' ? I do think that anyone with an IQ greater than that of a lettuce leaf can work out this will only lead to far more illegal fly tipping incidents, which will undoubtedly cost the council far more than they will save. Btw not increasing council tax and then charging for services that used to be free is in fact the same as increasing council tax as far as I can see.[/p][/quote]You don't KNOW that though unless you are actually involved in the handling of refuse and recycling. I'm not either but I would expect those whose job it is to know these things to have looked the situation and made a proper, professional assessment of the additional costs around any increase in fly tipping and offset this against the additional income. As any business would do in the light of what is a fairly obvious potential consequence. You on the other hand have made an assumption based on your prejudices that all council staff don't have the foresight of your proverbial lettuce leaf. Which is more likely to be the case?[/p][/quote]Where have I mentioned all council staff ? You sound like a typical LibDem making it up as you go along.... This was yet another decision decided by the 7 tories on the cabinet, which most people know I am totally against that system, I certainly have never hidden that fact. I was actually at the meeting to witness the jovial comments that were being made whilst this was being pushed through, were you? Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -2

5:08pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Youjustcantwin says...

Some of you have mentioned the local firm W&S who run Bournemouth Tip and several others and wonder why Poole doesn't use them , they DO !!! W&S are involved in Poole tip in a BIG way , all the goodies go there and are sold on for profit so this is why there is no recycling to members of the public!! Of course this is all done under contract . Who's books look better Poole Council or W&S ? Not a well known fact.
Some of you have mentioned the local firm W&S who run Bournemouth Tip and several others and wonder why Poole doesn't use them , they DO !!! W&S are involved in Poole tip in a BIG way , all the goodies go there and are sold on for profit so this is why there is no recycling to members of the public!! Of course this is all done under contract . Who's books look better Poole Council or W&S ? Not a well known fact. Youjustcantwin
  • Score: 7

5:17pm Thu 24 Jul 14

the_voice_of_reason says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Hamworthy residnt wrote:
Why doesn't the council allow recycling at the tip. People would pay a small charge for old bikes, mirrors, furniture etc one persons rubbish may be another's treasure. May not make much money but it would be less in land fill, would help cash strapped residents and help towards the budget.
I suspect Health and Safety jobsworths won't permit this.
They seem to manage to do it at Bournemouth and Christchurch - so why the hell not in Poole. Bloody madness not to if you ask me. But then this is Poole Council. 'Nuff said.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hamworthy residnt[/bold] wrote: Why doesn't the council allow recycling at the tip. People would pay a small charge for old bikes, mirrors, furniture etc one persons rubbish may be another's treasure. May not make much money but it would be less in land fill, would help cash strapped residents and help towards the budget.[/p][/quote]I suspect Health and Safety jobsworths won't permit this.[/p][/quote]They seem to manage to do it at Bournemouth and Christchurch - so why the hell not in Poole. Bloody madness not to if you ask me. But then this is Poole Council. 'Nuff said. the_voice_of_reason
  • Score: 8

5:53pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Olivaries says...

Sadly businesses are struggling enough with rising costs all round so adding to their bills will make even harder to sustain.

As for normal householders we pay enough council tax surely.

Fly tipping will be on the up and that will cost the council more than it does now to deal with the extra items they wish to charge for.

:(
Sadly businesses are struggling enough with rising costs all round so adding to their bills will make even harder to sustain. As for normal householders we pay enough council tax surely. Fly tipping will be on the up and that will cost the council more than it does now to deal with the extra items they wish to charge for. :( Olivaries
  • Score: 5

5:57pm Thu 24 Jul 14

the_voice_of_reason says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
I actually attended the cabinet meeting where they pushed these changes through. I even somewhat embarrassingly laughed out loud as Xion praised what sterling work they do at our local tip. After the meeting I explained a situation I had to endure at three local tips after filling our works van, which I owned btw. With rubbish from not just our home but also neighbours after a recent storm. Poole tip - You can only bring vans on a Wednesday, Ferndown you can not bring vans here only cars or trailers, but the best of the bunch was Wimborne, you can only tip with a van if it is a hire van and you have to produce your hire agreement. I wonder what these further restrictions will be because there can't be many options left really. Why would anyone who owns a van need to hire one just to dump rubbish? End result of my dilemma because we needed that van empty for Monday was to dump the rubbish on a piece of land and I paid someone £80 to pick it up and dump it.

Seriously what difference does it make how you transport rubbish to a tip, so long as you are paying your council tax and can prove it, you should be able to use any method you want. I pointed out to her then that this ludicrous idea of charging and adding even further restrictions on vans will only lead to even more fly tipping. That is without doubt an undeniable fact and I am sure they are fully aware of that because no one could possibly be so stupid not to!

At the all Tory cabinet meeting there was not a single objection raised against this and there was even one idea going through about removing bins in open spaces and making people take their dog poo home with them. I kid you not on that one.
Sadly the power of the party machine stops any sense of logic again :(
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: I actually attended the cabinet meeting where they pushed these changes through. I even somewhat embarrassingly laughed out loud as Xion praised what sterling work they do at our local tip. After the meeting I explained a situation I had to endure at three local tips after filling our works van, which I owned btw. With rubbish from not just our home but also neighbours after a recent storm. Poole tip - You can only bring vans on a Wednesday, Ferndown you can not bring vans here only cars or trailers, but the best of the bunch was Wimborne, you can only tip with a van if it is a hire van and you have to produce your hire agreement. I wonder what these further restrictions will be because there can't be many options left really. Why would anyone who owns a van need to hire one just to dump rubbish? End result of my dilemma because we needed that van empty for Monday was to dump the rubbish on a piece of land and I paid someone £80 to pick it up and dump it. Seriously what difference does it make how you transport rubbish to a tip, so long as you are paying your council tax and can prove it, you should be able to use any method you want. I pointed out to her then that this ludicrous idea of charging and adding even further restrictions on vans will only lead to even more fly tipping. That is without doubt an undeniable fact and I am sure they are fully aware of that because no one could possibly be so stupid not to! At the all Tory cabinet meeting there was not a single objection raised against this and there was even one idea going through about removing bins in open spaces and making people take their dog poo home with them. I kid you not on that one.[/p][/quote]Sadly the power of the party machine stops any sense of logic again :( the_voice_of_reason
  • Score: 3

6:35pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Dvorak says...

Free? Now I'm confused. I thought I paid council tax for this service. Am I mistaken?
Free? Now I'm confused. I thought I paid council tax for this service. Am I mistaken? Dvorak
  • Score: 6

6:59pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Baysider says...

Wow, I didn't realise there was so many experts in refuse and recycling policy and practices on the Echo website. Crack on then basing your opinions on the presumption those involved in the decision are of below average inteligence (or vegetables as marty might suggest) and I'll base mine on the presumption that most people dealing with the issue on a daily basis might have more of an idea of the cause, effect and costs of the policy.
Wow, I didn't realise there was so many experts in refuse and recycling policy and practices on the Echo website. Crack on then basing your opinions on the presumption those involved in the decision are of below average inteligence (or vegetables as marty might suggest) and I'll base mine on the presumption that most people dealing with the issue on a daily basis might have more of an idea of the cause, effect and costs of the policy. Baysider
  • Score: -3

7:47pm Thu 24 Jul 14

loftusrod says...

Just fly tip and if anyone asks just claim to be a traveller.
Just fly tip and if anyone asks just claim to be a traveller. loftusrod
  • Score: 5

7:55pm Thu 24 Jul 14

rozmister says...

Olivaries wrote:
Sadly businesses are struggling enough with rising costs all round so adding to their bills will make even harder to sustain.

As for normal householders we pay enough council tax surely.

Fly tipping will be on the up and that will cost the council more than it does now to deal with the extra items they wish to charge for.

:(
It doesn't say anywhere that I can see about a specific rise in charges for businesses just about a change in access which will reduce costs.

Prices for everything rise each year whether you're a consumer or business, people need to factor this into their budget.
[quote][p][bold]Olivaries[/bold] wrote: Sadly businesses are struggling enough with rising costs all round so adding to their bills will make even harder to sustain. As for normal householders we pay enough council tax surely. Fly tipping will be on the up and that will cost the council more than it does now to deal with the extra items they wish to charge for. :([/p][/quote]It doesn't say anywhere that I can see about a specific rise in charges for businesses just about a change in access which will reduce costs. Prices for everything rise each year whether you're a consumer or business, people need to factor this into their budget. rozmister
  • Score: 0

8:10pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Baysider wrote:
Wow, I didn't realise there was so many experts in refuse and recycling policy and practices on the Echo website. Crack on then basing your opinions on the presumption those involved in the decision are of below average inteligence (or vegetables as marty might suggest) and I'll base mine on the presumption that most people dealing with the issue on a daily basis might have more of an idea of the cause, effect and costs of the policy.
I can only presume you are one of them because the nonsense you are spouting clearly shows me you do not have a clue, come to think of it, you might even be one of the magnificent 7 on the cabinet.

Snowhite involved a famous 7.... now what was that song they used to sang?

I owe,,,,, I owe :)
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Wow, I didn't realise there was so many experts in refuse and recycling policy and practices on the Echo website. Crack on then basing your opinions on the presumption those involved in the decision are of below average inteligence (or vegetables as marty might suggest) and I'll base mine on the presumption that most people dealing with the issue on a daily basis might have more of an idea of the cause, effect and costs of the policy.[/p][/quote]I can only presume you are one of them because the nonsense you are spouting clearly shows me you do not have a clue, come to think of it, you might even be one of the magnificent 7 on the cabinet. Snowhite involved a famous 7.... now what was that song they used to sang? I owe,,,,, I owe :) Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -3

8:38pm Thu 24 Jul 14

vambo13 says...

If W&S recycling can , as quoted in the comments , make millions from running tips and Poole Council can't make anything I think the competence of who-ever is managing Poole Tip should be seriously questioned .
Maybe he got the job by using a certain type of handshake.
If W&S recycling can , as quoted in the comments , make millions from running tips and Poole Council can't make anything I think the competence of who-ever is managing Poole Tip should be seriously questioned . Maybe he got the job by using a certain type of handshake. vambo13
  • Score: 5

9:20pm Thu 24 Jul 14

carrrob says...

The flytippers will be out in force assume the limp wristed council has wasted the money elsewhere providing skips and toilets for our irish friends !
The flytippers will be out in force assume the limp wristed council has wasted the money elsewhere providing skips and toilets for our irish friends ! carrrob
  • Score: 2

9:21pm Thu 24 Jul 14

EGHH says...

Poole Council are right idiots! All this will do is to increase fly tipping. Fools!!
Poole Council are right idiots! All this will do is to increase fly tipping. Fools!! EGHH
  • Score: 2

9:37pm Thu 24 Jul 14

holdinkæft says...

aboobica wrote:
Why do I pay council tax, then to be charged more? Is this for REAL?
it starts with I and ends with T, 5 letters.
[quote][p][bold]aboobica[/bold] wrote: Why do I pay council tax, then to be charged more? Is this for REAL?[/p][/quote]it starts with I and ends with T, 5 letters. holdinkæft
  • Score: 0

11:24pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Or you could just pretend you are a 'traveller' and leave your **** behind and the council will come and clean up after you.
Or you could just pretend you are a 'traveller' and leave your **** behind and the council will come and clean up after you. Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 2

2:28am Fri 25 Jul 14

RM says...

wonderway wrote:
Baysider wrote:
wonderway wrote:
all this will do is cause massive increase in fly tipping
which will cause high overall extra cost
this is a false saving
again it is a council not thinking before implimanting policies
also cause damage to nature
all i can say is engage brain before opening mouth
Do you seriously not think they may have taken this into account and decided that the cost/benefit was in favour of introducing these charges?
yes knowing the way council departments think and act of other matter

love to see their business plan and see what their set aside amount is for additional flytipping clearance due to this action for next 12 months bet it exceeds saving
Bearing in mind that they're also changing everyone over to smaller black bins you really do wonder at their intelligence level at coming up with tipping charges too. As already said, the increased fly tipping costs will quickly cancel out any planned savings.
[quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: all this will do is cause massive increase in fly tipping which will cause high overall extra cost this is a false saving again it is a council not thinking before implimanting policies also cause damage to nature all i can say is engage brain before opening mouth[/p][/quote]Do you seriously not think they may have taken this into account and decided that the cost/benefit was in favour of introducing these charges?[/p][/quote]yes knowing the way council departments think and act of other matter love to see their business plan and see what their set aside amount is for additional flytipping clearance due to this action for next 12 months bet it exceeds saving[/p][/quote]Bearing in mind that they're also changing everyone over to smaller black bins you really do wonder at their intelligence level at coming up with tipping charges too. As already said, the increased fly tipping costs will quickly cancel out any planned savings. RM
  • Score: 1

6:35am Fri 25 Jul 14

roamer200 says...

chrisii1991 wrote:
what do we pay council tax for exactly?
Council meetings and expenses. Oh and subsidising the benefits brigade
[quote][p][bold]chrisii1991[/bold] wrote: what do we pay council tax for exactly?[/p][/quote]Council meetings and expenses. Oh and subsidising the benefits brigade roamer200
  • Score: 3

7:07am Fri 25 Jul 14

carrrob says...

Baysider wrote:
Wow, I didn't realise there was so many experts in refuse and recycling policy and practices on the Echo website. Crack on then basing your opinions on the presumption those involved in the decision are of below average inteligence (or vegetables as marty might suggest) and I'll base mine on the presumption that most people dealing with the issue on a daily basis might have more of an idea of the cause, effect and costs of the policy.
One of our valued council employees by any chance !
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Wow, I didn't realise there was so many experts in refuse and recycling policy and practices on the Echo website. Crack on then basing your opinions on the presumption those involved in the decision are of below average inteligence (or vegetables as marty might suggest) and I'll base mine on the presumption that most people dealing with the issue on a daily basis might have more of an idea of the cause, effect and costs of the policy.[/p][/quote]One of our valued council employees by any chance ! carrrob
  • Score: 1

11:49am Fri 25 Jul 14

phonehome says...

Asbestos can be an extremely dangerous substance to handle. Fly tipping will undoubtably increase and that may well include asbestos. Failing to deal with it in a professional and safe way is about as ludicrous, (and dangerous) as the NHS saying they won't treat anyone with an infectious disease!

This half-baked notion is an equally dangerous Public Health issue.
Asbestos can be an extremely dangerous substance to handle. Fly tipping will undoubtably increase and that may well include asbestos. Failing to deal with it in a professional and safe way is about as ludicrous, (and dangerous) as the NHS saying they won't treat anyone with an infectious disease! This half-baked notion is an equally dangerous Public Health issue. phonehome
  • Score: 5

12:38pm Fri 25 Jul 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Baysider wrote:
Wow, I didn't realise there was so many experts in refuse and recycling policy and practices on the Echo website. Crack on then basing your opinions on the presumption those involved in the decision are of below average inteligence (or vegetables as marty might suggest) and I'll base mine on the presumption that most people dealing with the issue on a daily basis might have more of an idea of the cause, effect and costs of the policy.
So come on then ,this is obviously yet another one of your specialty subjects enlighten us common folk the true economics of encouraging fly tipping,.or are a wannabe council spokesperson .
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Wow, I didn't realise there was so many experts in refuse and recycling policy and practices on the Echo website. Crack on then basing your opinions on the presumption those involved in the decision are of below average inteligence (or vegetables as marty might suggest) and I'll base mine on the presumption that most people dealing with the issue on a daily basis might have more of an idea of the cause, effect and costs of the policy.[/p][/quote]So come on then ,this is obviously yet another one of your specialty subjects enlighten us common folk the true economics of encouraging fly tipping,.or are a wannabe council spokesperson . kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 3

4:07pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Pawnstrar says...

Hamworthy residnt wrote:
Why doesn't the council allow recycling at the tip. People would pay a small charge for old bikes, mirrors, furniture etc one persons rubbish may be another's treasure. May not make much money but it would be less in land fill, would help cash strapped residents and help towards the budget.
You can buy stuff that has been salvaged from the tip at Longham, why not do that in Poole as well
[quote][p][bold]Hamworthy residnt[/bold] wrote: Why doesn't the council allow recycling at the tip. People would pay a small charge for old bikes, mirrors, furniture etc one persons rubbish may be another's treasure. May not make much money but it would be less in land fill, would help cash strapped residents and help towards the budget.[/p][/quote]You can buy stuff that has been salvaged from the tip at Longham, why not do that in Poole as well Pawnstrar
  • Score: 2

4:35pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Youjustcantwin says...

Youjustcantwin wrote:
Some of you have mentioned the local firm W&S who run Bournemouth Tip and several others and wonder why Poole doesn't use them , they DO !!! W&S are involved in Poole tip in a BIG way , all the goodies go there and are sold on for profit so this is why there is no recycling to members of the public!! Of course this is all done under contract . Who's books look better Poole Council or W&S ? Not a well known fact.
Here is your answer guys, W&S do handle all the goodies from Poole Tip!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Youjustcantwin[/bold] wrote: Some of you have mentioned the local firm W&S who run Bournemouth Tip and several others and wonder why Poole doesn't use them , they DO !!! W&S are involved in Poole tip in a BIG way , all the goodies go there and are sold on for profit so this is why there is no recycling to members of the public!! Of course this is all done under contract . Who's books look better Poole Council or W&S ? Not a well known fact.[/p][/quote]Here is your answer guys, W&S do handle all the goodies from Poole Tip!!!! Youjustcantwin
  • Score: 2

4:39pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Drew_Peacock says...

phonehome wrote:
Asbestos can be an extremely dangerous substance to handle. Fly tipping will undoubtably increase and that may well include asbestos. Failing to deal with it in a professional and safe way is about as ludicrous, (and dangerous) as the NHS saying they won't treat anyone with an infectious disease!

This half-baked notion is an equally dangerous Public Health issue.
I totally agree - this measure runs the risk of not only increased fly tipping, but also things like old asbestos roofing sheets being broken up to feed into wheelie bins over a period of weeks, releasing fibres into the air both when they are broken up, and also when the bins are emptied into the bin wagon, or just left lying around in odd corners of the garden until kids and their friends break them with footballs, or by running into them etc, again allowing fibres to become airborne. Eric Pickles, where are you?. Stamp on these measures now!
[quote][p][bold]phonehome[/bold] wrote: Asbestos can be an extremely dangerous substance to handle. Fly tipping will undoubtably increase and that may well include asbestos. Failing to deal with it in a professional and safe way is about as ludicrous, (and dangerous) as the NHS saying they won't treat anyone with an infectious disease! This half-baked notion is an equally dangerous Public Health issue.[/p][/quote]I totally agree - this measure runs the risk of not only increased fly tipping, but also things like old asbestos roofing sheets being broken up to feed into wheelie bins over a period of weeks, releasing fibres into the air both when they are broken up, and also when the bins are emptied into the bin wagon, or just left lying around in odd corners of the garden until kids and their friends break them with footballs, or by running into them etc, again allowing fibres to become airborne. Eric Pickles, where are you?. Stamp on these measures now! Drew_Peacock
  • Score: 9

10:50pm Fri 25 Jul 14

cheeriedriteup says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
I actually attended the cabinet meeting where they pushed these changes through. I even somewhat embarrassingly laughed out loud as Xion praised what sterling work they do at our local tip. After the meeting I explained a situation I had to endure at three local tips after filling our works van, which I owned btw. With rubbish from not just our home but also neighbours after a recent storm. Poole tip - You can only bring vans on a Wednesday, Ferndown you can not bring vans here only cars or trailers, but the best of the bunch was Wimborne, you can only tip with a van if it is a hire van and you have to produce your hire agreement. I wonder what these further restrictions will be because there can't be many options left really. Why would anyone who owns a van need to hire one just to dump rubbish? End result of my dilemma because we needed that van empty for Monday was to dump the rubbish on a piece of land and I paid someone £80 to pick it up and dump it.

Seriously what difference does it make how you transport rubbish to a tip, so long as you are paying your council tax and can prove it, you should be able to use any method you want. I pointed out to her then that this ludicrous idea of charging and adding even further restrictions on vans will only lead to even more fly tipping. That is without doubt an undeniable fact and I am sure they are fully aware of that because no one could possibly be so stupid not to!

At the all Tory cabinet meeting there was not a single objection raised against this and there was even one idea going through about removing bins in open spaces and making people take their dog poo home with them. I kid you not on that one.
It's your rubbish, why should my contributions by means of taxes pay for this, I support Germany's idea and everyone pay for there own waste, this way they would think more before buying !
Before I get a come back the council tax is for your house collections not all the extras and home improvement waste
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: I actually attended the cabinet meeting where they pushed these changes through. I even somewhat embarrassingly laughed out loud as Xion praised what sterling work they do at our local tip. After the meeting I explained a situation I had to endure at three local tips after filling our works van, which I owned btw. With rubbish from not just our home but also neighbours after a recent storm. Poole tip - You can only bring vans on a Wednesday, Ferndown you can not bring vans here only cars or trailers, but the best of the bunch was Wimborne, you can only tip with a van if it is a hire van and you have to produce your hire agreement. I wonder what these further restrictions will be because there can't be many options left really. Why would anyone who owns a van need to hire one just to dump rubbish? End result of my dilemma because we needed that van empty for Monday was to dump the rubbish on a piece of land and I paid someone £80 to pick it up and dump it. Seriously what difference does it make how you transport rubbish to a tip, so long as you are paying your council tax and can prove it, you should be able to use any method you want. I pointed out to her then that this ludicrous idea of charging and adding even further restrictions on vans will only lead to even more fly tipping. That is without doubt an undeniable fact and I am sure they are fully aware of that because no one could possibly be so stupid not to! At the all Tory cabinet meeting there was not a single objection raised against this and there was even one idea going through about removing bins in open spaces and making people take their dog poo home with them. I kid you not on that one.[/p][/quote]It's your rubbish, why should my contributions by means of taxes pay for this, I support Germany's idea and everyone pay for there own waste, this way they would think more before buying ! Before I get a come back the council tax is for your house collections not all the extras and home improvement waste cheeriedriteup
  • Score: -3

6:31pm Sat 26 Jul 14

oddman says...

I'VE JUST INVITED ALL THE GYPSIES IN DORSET TO STAY AT THE CO-OP CAR PARK IN PARKSTONE ,THE WAY I SEE IT IS WE WILL GET OUT TOILETS BACK AND HAVE A FREE SKIP FOR OUR RUBBLE ./////BRILLIANT IDEA
I'VE JUST INVITED ALL THE GYPSIES IN DORSET TO STAY AT THE CO-OP CAR PARK IN PARKSTONE ,THE WAY I SEE IT IS WE WILL GET OUT TOILETS BACK AND HAVE A FREE SKIP FOR OUR RUBBLE ./////BRILLIANT IDEA oddman
  • Score: 6

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