VIDEO: Private security guards given police powers to tackle antisocial behavior in Boscombe

VIDEO: Private security guards given police powers to tackle antisocial behavior in Boscombe

Private security guards given police powers to tackle antisocial behavior in Boscombe

Private security guards given police powers to tackle antisocial behavior in Boscombe

Sarah and Richard Smith of RoseRed Records

Sara Diffey, owner of Zara Fabrics

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PRIVATE security guards have been granted police powers to help tackle antisocial behaviour in Boscombe – and they could be used elsewhere.

The three Community Safety Patrol Officers (CSPOs) are employed by Guarding UK Ltd – which already deploys security staff in the Sovereign Shopping Centre – but, in a first for the county, possess the same enforcement powers as a Dorset Police Community Support Officer.

Their powers were granted by Chief Constable Debbie Simpson as part of the government’s Community Safety Accreditation Scheme and include issuing penalty notices, demanding identification details and moving people on.

Their employment was defended by the Chief Constable and Police and Crime Commissioner, Martyn Underhill, at a launch event yesterday, with them described as “an extra pair of eyes and ears”, “an extra tool in the toolbox”.

They stressed that the CSPOs were not replacing police officers or PCSOs.

Chief Constable Simpson told the Daily Echo that police could not be on hand all of the time, but the CSPOs were assigned to Boscombe precinct.

“It’s the first of its kind, but it doesn’t need to be limited to Boscombe. Boscombe has had the foresight to try something different.”

Mr Underhill added: “Already in six weeks the CSPOs have proved their worth, dealing with nearly 300 incidents.

“To me this is a springboard; we need these roles elsewhere in Dorset, helping in partnership to keep people safe.

“Police officers and PCSOs are operational and can be pulled away. If there was a murder in Southbourne, God forbid, Boscombe would be left without any cover, but that will not happen with CSPOs, who are assigned to this area.”

The scheme is intended to deal with low-level offences like street begging, drunks and drug users and to stop people cycling on the pavement, in the precinct, Royal Arcade and Sovereign shopping centres.

Boscombe Partnership and Regeneration Officer, Police Sergeant Chris Amey said: “They are not here to replace police officers or Police Community Support Officers, but instead work closely with the East Bournemouth Safer Neighbourhood Team, local retailers and residents to improve community safety and provide reassurance.”

The three CSPOs, Lorne Castle, Jerry Smerdon and Dave Parr- Helyar, are accredited by the Security Industry Authority.

They have been financed for their first year from Bournemouth Council’s Recession Fund, with £60,000 for recruitment, training, one year’s salary and uniforms, while the £14,000 for their handsets was provided by the Bournemouth Coastal Business Improvement District.

Cllr Jane Kelly, council cabinet member for partnerships and regeneration, said: “The council was keen to help get this scheme off the ground and that is why we provided enough funding to get it up and running for the first year.”

Shop owners have their say

Sarah Smith, co-owner of Rose Red Records in the Royal Arcade, said: “We don’t get as many incidents as in the Sovereign Centre, but we have had a few shoplifters and I sometimes feel a bit intimidated leaving the shop.

“We never used to see a police officer in here, but now we do see the wardens all the time, which makes us feel safer.”

Sara Diffey, owner of Zara Fabrics in the Royal Arcade, said: “It has made a difference having these community wardens around.

“It is nice to not have the drunks and people on drugs wandering in, which was putting off customers. I think the police box has made a difference as well.”

The Garden Café in the Sovereign Centre was hit by a burglar who raided several stores over one night in June.

Manager Debbie Clark said: “We don’t get too many problems with the drunks now as our security are on to them.”

Sovereign Centre manager Peter Ruscoe said: “We review security at the centre all the time and have implemented some changes since the incidents last month.

“We will be putting in additional CCTV cameras and alarms.

“We are very happy with the service Guarding UK are providing at the moment. Where we have had issues with antisocial behaviour they have been able to sort the problem out.

“The feedback has been very positive.”

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3:25pm Tue 8 Jul 14

burgerboy says...

Lock it or lose it Underhill stated they were an extra tool in the tool box (maybe not the sharpest ones though).
Lock it or lose it Underhill stated they were an extra tool in the tool box (maybe not the sharpest ones though). burgerboy
  • Score: 15

3:38pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

Good. At least an effort is being made to sort the place out.

But, if you've got a rat living in your garden and you hire a cat to use the garden, the rat will leave. He will still be a rat, just somewhere else.
The rat needs to be ideally shot dead with my air rifle Then he cannot exist or father generations of new rats.

The same thing can be said of leaf blowers. Whenever i see them being
used i always think 'pick em up and bag em and dipose of them' just
blowing them around doesnt account for any less leaves on the ground, it
just moves them around to s slightly diffetent place.
Removal and permanent disposal is whats needed, like a nice bonfire.
Good. At least an effort is being made to sort the place out. But, if you've got a rat living in your garden and you hire a cat to use the garden, the rat will leave. He will still be a rat, just somewhere else. The rat needs to be ideally shot dead with my air rifle Then he cannot exist or father generations of new rats. The same thing can be said of leaf blowers. Whenever i see them being used i always think 'pick em up and bag em and dipose of them' just blowing them around doesnt account for any less leaves on the ground, it just moves them around to s slightly diffetent place. Removal and permanent disposal is whats needed, like a nice bonfire. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: 46

4:01pm Tue 8 Jul 14

politicaltrainspotter says...

Well Cllr Kelly, whats your view ? She said 'This is wonderful for Boscombe.It just shows you how safe you are with police officers and pcso's along with the council wardens and now the cpso 's.'No other area is like it ! '

So therefore can the other area's have back their police officers and pcso instead of them hanging around the tardis ?

Anyone know what the RAF is doing today ?
Well Cllr Kelly, whats your view ? She said 'This is wonderful for Boscombe.It just shows you how safe you are with police officers and pcso's along with the council wardens and now the cpso 's.'No other area is like it ! ' So therefore can the other area's have back their police officers and pcso instead of them hanging around the tardis ? Anyone know what the RAF is doing today ? politicaltrainspotter
  • Score: 27

4:09pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Dave2207 says...

One cannot help but feel that Mr. Plod is playing "whack-a-mole" with the drunks, beggars and vagrants who infest Boscombe. A "move-them-on" policy appears to be Plod's solution - but that merely displaces the problem to another area. It's much more difficult to tackle the disease, rather than the symptom.
These Police Commissioners, with their enormous salaries (enormous when compared to the average Boscombe resident, such a I) should be finding practical solutions to the problem, such as using existing begging/vagrancy/dri
nking laws to get these losers into custody where they can be re-trained into constructive members of society (and, at least for while, removed from our streets and precinct).
One cannot help but feel that Mr. Plod is playing "whack-a-mole" with the drunks, beggars and vagrants who infest Boscombe. A "move-them-on" policy appears to be Plod's solution - but that merely displaces the problem to another area. It's much more difficult to tackle the disease, rather than the symptom. These Police Commissioners, with their enormous salaries (enormous when compared to the average Boscombe resident, such a I) should be finding practical solutions to the problem, such as using existing begging/vagrancy/dri nking laws to get these losers into custody where they can be re-trained into constructive members of society (and, at least for while, removed from our streets and precinct). Dave2207
  • Score: 23

4:12pm Tue 8 Jul 14

BmthNewshound says...

An admission of failure on the part of the police and Council. Just makes you wonder why the police bothered with the Tardis when they are now dependent on private security guards to keep law and order.
An admission of failure on the part of the police and Council. Just makes you wonder why the police bothered with the Tardis when they are now dependent on private security guards to keep law and order. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 37

4:26pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Oldalbanian says...

so drug use is a "low level offence" now.
so drug use is a "low level offence" now. Oldalbanian
  • Score: 24

5:19pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Ralph Horris says...

Behavior or behaviour ?
Behavior or behaviour ? Ralph Horris
  • Score: 13

5:20pm Tue 8 Jul 14

cheeriedriteup says...

Let the Army patrol our streets instead of street that do not bother us!!
Let the Army patrol our streets instead of street that do not bother us!! cheeriedriteup
  • Score: -10

5:22pm Tue 8 Jul 14

chris100 says...

Pcso,s have no real powers they can't arrest you so I would be telling these idiots to do one
Pcso,s have no real powers they can't arrest you so I would be telling these idiots to do one chris100
  • Score: 16

5:26pm Tue 8 Jul 14

michael mead says...

£74,000. Why not spend that on funding people into drug rehab. It is virtually impossible to get help from the crime reduction intiative for residential rehab.
Their are many good rehab's in Bournemouth that people can not access due to the crime reduction intiative not funding them.
They are funded by Dorset Drug Action Team.
£74,000. Why not spend that on funding people into drug rehab. It is virtually impossible to get help from the crime reduction intiative for residential rehab. Their are many good rehab's in Bournemouth that people can not access due to the crime reduction intiative not funding them. They are funded by Dorset Drug Action Team. michael mead
  • Score: -26

5:32pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Controversial But True says...

"same enforcement powers as a Dorset Police Community Support Officer"???

None then!!
"same enforcement powers as a Dorset Police Community Support Officer"??? None then!! Controversial But True
  • Score: 28

5:46pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

£14,000 for walkie talkies are u kidding me ?
£14,000 for walkie talkies are u kidding me ? Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: 26

5:46pm Tue 8 Jul 14

STEVEUK444 says...

This is the first step to privatised police in Britain, along with the privatised prisons. These are companies that make profit from crime, more crime equals more profits. When the police are no longer public servants but employees of a private company they basically become an army of revenue collectors (which they pretty much are now anyway).
The reason crime is rife all around Britain is because without it the government would lose massive amounts of revenue but most importantly without crime they wouldn't be able to hold such power over us.

Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin
This is the first step to privatised police in Britain, along with the privatised prisons. These are companies that make profit from crime, more crime equals more profits. When the police are no longer public servants but employees of a private company they basically become an army of revenue collectors (which they pretty much are now anyway). The reason crime is rife all around Britain is because without it the government would lose massive amounts of revenue but most importantly without crime they wouldn't be able to hold such power over us. Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin STEVEUK444
  • Score: 47

5:54pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes says...

cheeriedriteup wrote:
Let the Army patrol our streets instead of street that do not bother us!!
So you are in effect calling for marshall law?
[quote][p][bold]cheeriedriteup[/bold] wrote: Let the Army patrol our streets instead of street that do not bother us!![/p][/quote]So you are in effect calling for marshall law? Bournesouthmouth Downpokes
  • Score: 9

6:03pm Tue 8 Jul 14

muscliffman says...

politicaltrainspotte
r
wrote:
Well Cllr Kelly, whats your view ? She said 'This is wonderful for Boscombe.It just shows you how safe you are with police officers and pcso's along with the council wardens and now the cpso 's.'No other area is like it ! '

So therefore can the other area's have back their police officers and pcso instead of them hanging around the tardis ?

Anyone know what the RAF is doing today ?
Boscombe must also be suffering from an awful lot of Councillor Kelly's 'isolated incidents' for this to be considered necessary!

However as most people can see the ONLY way to deal with Boscombe now is by introducing robust 'PC' free zero tolerance policies on the streets and in the Courts, and enforce them with proper empowered Police Officers. Anything else is like trying to put out a full scale house fire by blowing on it.

Of course that is not going to happen - for reasons best left unsaid.
[quote][p][bold]politicaltrainspotte r[/bold] wrote: Well Cllr Kelly, whats your view ? She said 'This is wonderful for Boscombe.It just shows you how safe you are with police officers and pcso's along with the council wardens and now the cpso 's.'No other area is like it ! ' So therefore can the other area's have back their police officers and pcso instead of them hanging around the tardis ? Anyone know what the RAF is doing today ?[/p][/quote]Boscombe must also be suffering from an awful lot of Councillor Kelly's 'isolated incidents' for this to be considered necessary! However as most people can see the ONLY way to deal with Boscombe now is by introducing robust 'PC' free zero tolerance policies on the streets and in the Courts, and enforce them with proper empowered Police Officers. Anything else is like trying to put out a full scale house fire by blowing on it. Of course that is not going to happen - for reasons best left unsaid. muscliffman
  • Score: 10

6:03pm Tue 8 Jul 14

honestopinion84 says...

giving an average joe the feeling of superiority is always a bad idea, if they puff their chest out to the wrong person they will probably end up stabbed, which is not uncommon in the area. they are security guards not heros
giving an average joe the feeling of superiority is always a bad idea, if they puff their chest out to the wrong person they will probably end up stabbed, which is not uncommon in the area. they are security guards not heros honestopinion84
  • Score: 7

6:43pm Tue 8 Jul 14

proudmummy12 says...

I seen a drug deal today down my road in boscombe so where was the coppers, no where. What a surprise, not.
I seen a drug deal today down my road in boscombe so where was the coppers, no where. What a surprise, not. proudmummy12
  • Score: 0

6:45pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Fingersonthem says...

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes wrote:
cheeriedriteup wrote:
Let the Army patrol our streets instead of street that do not bother us!!
So you are in effect calling for marshall law?
A lower rank would please me like corporal punishment.
[quote][p][bold]Bournesouthmouth Downpokes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cheeriedriteup[/bold] wrote: Let the Army patrol our streets instead of street that do not bother us!![/p][/quote]So you are in effect calling for marshall law?[/p][/quote]A lower rank would please me like corporal punishment. Fingersonthem
  • Score: 3

7:06pm Tue 8 Jul 14

melting pot says...

So these security staff now the same powers as a PCSO....... What Powers exactly do PCSO's have that general members of the public dont have?

Thought so bugger all difference
So these security staff now the same powers as a PCSO....... What Powers exactly do PCSO's have that general members of the public dont have? Thought so bugger all difference melting pot
  • Score: 10

7:29pm Tue 8 Jul 14

West Howe Sean says...

Security jobs seem to attract the wrong type. We need to be able to trust them to do a good job for the community. The recruitment and training is of crucial importance.
Security jobs seem to attract the wrong type. We need to be able to trust them to do a good job for the community. The recruitment and training is of crucial importance. West Howe Sean
  • Score: 10

7:34pm Tue 8 Jul 14

twynhamob says...

So, the unemployed yobs from west howe can now have a legitimate job, and they can use their own "powers" to establish law and order?
Once they have picked on an elderly person, or knocked that pavement riding cyclist off his bike will you all be supporting this idea then?
It's because the PCSO's have such little power that the government will be investing in these "private" armies. Remember when the Hells Angels policed the Stones concerts in the USA!!
So, the unemployed yobs from west howe can now have a legitimate job, and they can use their own "powers" to establish law and order? Once they have picked on an elderly person, or knocked that pavement riding cyclist off his bike will you all be supporting this idea then? It's because the PCSO's have such little power that the government will be investing in these "private" armies. Remember when the Hells Angels policed the Stones concerts in the USA!! twynhamob
  • Score: 1

7:43pm Tue 8 Jul 14

bmthgirl64 says...

Having been narrowly missed by cyclists in the Pedestrian Precinct many times I would be glad if this problem was dealt with but just know it won't be. I have seen Police Officers and PCSOs step out of the way of rampaging cyclists... there is no 'zero' tolerance of anti social behaviour in Boscombe.. if there was, the Echo would have nothing to report.
Having been narrowly missed by cyclists in the Pedestrian Precinct many times I would be glad if this problem was dealt with but just know it won't be. I have seen Police Officers and PCSOs step out of the way of rampaging cyclists... there is no 'zero' tolerance of anti social behaviour in Boscombe.. if there was, the Echo would have nothing to report. bmthgirl64
  • Score: 10

7:49pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Obi wan kenobi Nil says...

proudmummy12 wrote:
I seen a drug deal today down my road in boscombe so where was the coppers, no where. What a surprise, not.
Did you call the police to let them know ? I only ask as I don't recall telepathic powers being one of the "must have" skills for joining the police.
Perhaps you should consider moving house if Boscombe is so bad.
Maybe somewhere more suitable for a clear visionary like yourself...I hear Narnia is nice this time of year.
[quote][p][bold]proudmummy12[/bold] wrote: I seen a drug deal today down my road in boscombe so where was the coppers, no where. What a surprise, not.[/p][/quote]Did you call the police to let them know ? I only ask as I don't recall telepathic powers being one of the "must have" skills for joining the police. Perhaps you should consider moving house if Boscombe is so bad. Maybe somewhere more suitable for a clear visionary like yourself...I hear Narnia is nice this time of year. Obi wan kenobi Nil
  • Score: 26

7:54pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Bournefre says...

“Police officers and PCSOs are operational and can be pulled away. If there was a murder in Southbourne, God forbid, Boscombe would be left without any cover, but that will not happen with CSPOs, who are assigned to this area.”

This demonstrates that investigating a murder in Southbourne would be a higher priority than strolling around the Sovereign centre moving on loitering kids and acting as a deterrent to shoplifters. I think most people would prefer there to be resources available to be redeployed to deal with a serious crime or large public order issue than have someone strolling around 'just in case'; while crime prevention might be part of the police's work, to me they are primarily an emergency service.
“Police officers and PCSOs are operational and can be pulled away. If there was a murder in Southbourne, God forbid, Boscombe would be left without any cover, but that will not happen with CSPOs, who are assigned to this area.” This demonstrates that investigating a murder in Southbourne would be a higher priority than strolling around the Sovereign centre moving on loitering kids and acting as a deterrent to shoplifters. I think most people would prefer there to be resources available to be redeployed to deal with a serious crime or large public order issue than have someone strolling around 'just in case'; while crime prevention might be part of the police's work, to me they are primarily an emergency service. Bournefre
  • Score: 8

7:54pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Bournemouth common sense says...

Oh dear
Oh dear Bournemouth common sense
  • Score: 2

8:29pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Tango Charlie says...

politicaltrainspotte
r
wrote:
Well Cllr Kelly, whats your view ? She said 'This is wonderful for Boscombe.It just shows you how safe you are with police officers and pcso's along with the council wardens and now the cpso 's.'No other area is like it ! '

So therefore can the other area's have back their police officers and pcso instead of them hanging around the tardis ?

Anyone know what the RAF is doing today ?
You'll find the RAF in the Mally, that's where us brown jobs used to look anyway.
[quote][p][bold]politicaltrainspotte r[/bold] wrote: Well Cllr Kelly, whats your view ? She said 'This is wonderful for Boscombe.It just shows you how safe you are with police officers and pcso's along with the council wardens and now the cpso 's.'No other area is like it ! ' So therefore can the other area's have back their police officers and pcso instead of them hanging around the tardis ? Anyone know what the RAF is doing today ?[/p][/quote]You'll find the RAF in the Mally, that's where us brown jobs used to look anyway. Tango Charlie
  • Score: 3

9:01pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Chief-Wiggum says...

If they don't give the security guards their details (as they have the power to demand them) what are they going to do?

Nothing!

Should have hired me and Ralph!
If they don't give the security guards their details (as they have the power to demand them) what are they going to do? Nothing! Should have hired me and Ralph! Chief-Wiggum
  • Score: 8

9:11pm Tue 8 Jul 14

GGhammy says...

sounds ok in principle and if it helps people feel safer as some of the shopkeepers say, but "demanding identification" ! i can see a slippery slope of private security guards becoming british stasi leading to ordinary people being made to feel like criminals if they do minor things like riding a bike on the pavement...councillo
rs be very wary of what you've started here...
sounds ok in principle and if it helps people feel safer as some of the shopkeepers say, but "demanding identification" ! i can see a slippery slope of private security guards becoming british stasi leading to ordinary people being made to feel like criminals if they do minor things like riding a bike on the pavement...councillo rs be very wary of what you've started here... GGhammy
  • Score: 13

10:01pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Ragwin says...

Interesting. These private accredited guards have the ability to hand out fixed penalty fines for a variety of offences (including cycling on the pavement, littering and dog fouling).

But they have no incentive to be co-operative and friendly towards the community. Maybe that's why Debbie Simpson gave them these powers. i.e. any hostility is directed towards a private company rather than the police force itself.

One thing they don't have is the power to take a police statement for use in court.
Interesting. These private accredited guards have the ability to hand out fixed penalty fines for a variety of offences (including cycling on the pavement, littering and dog fouling). But they have no incentive to be co-operative and friendly towards the community. Maybe that's why Debbie Simpson gave them these powers. i.e. any hostility is directed towards a private company rather than the police force itself. One thing they don't have is the power to take a police statement for use in court. Ragwin
  • Score: 6

10:44pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Would be interesting to know if the cost of outsourcing to a private firm is cheaper than actually employing officers on the beat. Isn't a police officers starting salary 19k ?
Would be interesting to know if the cost of outsourcing to a private firm is cheaper than actually employing officers on the beat. Isn't a police officers starting salary 19k ? Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 5

11:22pm Tue 8 Jul 14

podgie says...

HA,Ha,Ha,
Stop it Debbie Simpson you are making my pants all damp .
The police in Dorset do Jack Shyte,
The Plastics have the urine ripped out of them,
The cardboard cut outs get stolen,
What chance for these muppets.
How about getting your lazy arsed force to vigorously enforce the laws we have ,and like New York you might find you become worth your salary.
NOT ROCKET SCIENCE NUMB NUTS
HA,Ha,Ha, Stop it Debbie Simpson you are making my pants all damp . The police in Dorset do Jack Shyte, The Plastics have the urine ripped out of them, The cardboard cut outs get stolen, What chance for these muppets. How about getting your lazy arsed force to vigorously enforce the laws we have ,and like New York you might find you become worth your salary. NOT ROCKET SCIENCE NUMB NUTS podgie
  • Score: -15

11:34pm Tue 8 Jul 14

RM says...

Worrying that bouncers are now going to be given 'power' over us ordinary folk. Perhaps if we didn't have our PCC & our £10K payrise copper there'd be enough money in the pot to police the area properly with regular cops?
Worrying that bouncers are now going to be given 'power' over us ordinary folk. Perhaps if we didn't have our PCC & our £10K payrise copper there'd be enough money in the pot to police the area properly with regular cops? RM
  • Score: 2

12:26am Wed 9 Jul 14

Azphreal says...

Sorry but are they under police oath? What training have they had? No one should have police powers apart from the police,they work for a PRIVATE company so therefore they are PRIVATE POLICE!
Sorry but are they under police oath? What training have they had? No one should have police powers apart from the police,they work for a PRIVATE company so therefore they are PRIVATE POLICE! Azphreal
  • Score: 10

2:30am Wed 9 Jul 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

Azphreal wrote:
Sorry but are they under police oath? What training have they had? No one should have police powers apart from the police,they work for a PRIVATE company so therefore they are PRIVATE POLICE!
They don't. It's Echo nonsense again.
.
'same enforcement powers as a Dorset Police Community Support Officer'. What powers? I've got more respect for the lollypop ladies code than these useless clowns.
.
[quote][p][bold]Azphreal[/bold] wrote: Sorry but are they under police oath? What training have they had? No one should have police powers apart from the police,they work for a PRIVATE company so therefore they are PRIVATE POLICE![/p][/quote]They don't. It's Echo nonsense again. . 'same enforcement powers as a Dorset Police Community Support Officer'. What powers? I've got more respect for the lollypop ladies code than these useless clowns. . HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: -7

5:51am Wed 9 Jul 14

wadjit says...

private policing is a great worry for us all.
private policing is a great worry for us all. wadjit
  • Score: 8

7:02am Wed 9 Jul 14

Shady81 says...

Headline is mis leading. It's goes on to say same powers as pcsos. So not much then. If someone needs arresting they still need the police.
I work in a shop in bos two people bagged £110 of goods our security radioed the cameras this was overheard by these security guards. They came into our shop deterred them at the door the thieves were told to come back to pay for stuff and details taken. Surprise suprise they never came back.
Headline is mis leading. It's goes on to say same powers as pcsos. So not much then. If someone needs arresting they still need the police. I work in a shop in bos two people bagged £110 of goods our security radioed the cameras this was overheard by these security guards. They came into our shop deterred them at the door the thieves were told to come back to pay for stuff and details taken. Surprise suprise they never came back. Shady81
  • Score: 6

10:16am Wed 9 Jul 14

Dibbles2 says...

The only people that could possibly object to this are those that are breaking the law.

Proudmummy12, you seriously need to go back to school "I seen".

Twynhamob what has this story got to do with unemployed form west Howe? do you know these guys because you couldn't be further from the truth.

Michael Mead................
.........yawn.......
.............drug rehabs are money making tax avoidance schemes with no real interest in helping people. All of the social rehab housing programmes manipulate statistics to make it look like they are doing a good job but the truth is its the same people going round in circles and very few making a good recovery.

The fact is positive things are being done to improve Boscombe and yet people still moan about it.

As for telling them to "do one", you wont need to worry if you are not doing anything wrong and that very statement stinks of how disrespectful people are to each other in today's society.
The only people that could possibly object to this are those that are breaking the law. Proudmummy12, you seriously need to go back to school "I seen". Twynhamob what has this story got to do with unemployed form west Howe? do you know these guys because you couldn't be further from the truth. Michael Mead................ .........yawn....... .............drug rehabs are money making tax avoidance schemes with no real interest in helping people. All of the social rehab housing programmes manipulate statistics to make it look like they are doing a good job but the truth is its the same people going round in circles and very few making a good recovery. The fact is positive things are being done to improve Boscombe and yet people still moan about it. As for telling them to "do one", you wont need to worry if you are not doing anything wrong and that very statement stinks of how disrespectful people are to each other in today's society. Dibbles2
  • Score: 8

10:59am Wed 9 Jul 14

O'Reilly says...

melting pot wrote:
So these security staff now the same powers as a PCSO....... What Powers exactly do PCSO's have that general members of the public dont have?

Thought so bugger all difference
The PCSO starting salary is not shabby either............
Starting salary. £18,000 + per year.
[quote][p][bold]melting pot[/bold] wrote: So these security staff now the same powers as a PCSO....... What Powers exactly do PCSO's have that general members of the public dont have? Thought so bugger all difference[/p][/quote]The PCSO starting salary is not shabby either............ Starting salary. £18,000 + per year. O'Reilly
  • Score: 3

11:27am Wed 9 Jul 14

phill67 says...

GGhammy wrote:
sounds ok in principle and if it helps people feel safer as some of the shopkeepers say, but "demanding identification" ! i can see a slippery slope of private security guards becoming british stasi leading to ordinary people being made to feel like criminals if they do minor things like riding a bike on the pavement...councillo

rs be very wary of what you've started here...
How many people that dont drive carry ID with them,how many criminals carry ID with them and as the UK has no law that people have to carry ID like the rest of the world what will they do if the person thay ask for ID dont have any?
[quote][p][bold]GGhammy[/bold] wrote: sounds ok in principle and if it helps people feel safer as some of the shopkeepers say, but "demanding identification" ! i can see a slippery slope of private security guards becoming british stasi leading to ordinary people being made to feel like criminals if they do minor things like riding a bike on the pavement...councillo rs be very wary of what you've started here...[/p][/quote]How many people that dont drive carry ID with them,how many criminals carry ID with them and as the UK has no law that people have to carry ID like the rest of the world what will they do if the person thay ask for ID dont have any? phill67
  • Score: 2

12:18pm Wed 9 Jul 14

wadjit says...

I really hope that English is a second language for some of the above contributors. If so - well done, you are doing very well. If not - oh dear, we are in trouble.
I really hope that English is a second language for some of the above contributors. If so - well done, you are doing very well. If not - oh dear, we are in trouble. wadjit
  • Score: 4

1:10pm Wed 9 Jul 14

stevobath says...

phill67 wrote:
GGhammy wrote:
sounds ok in principle and if it helps people feel safer as some of the shopkeepers say, but "demanding identification" ! i can see a slippery slope of private security guards becoming british stasi leading to ordinary people being made to feel like criminals if they do minor things like riding a bike on the pavement...councillo


rs be very wary of what you've started here...
How many people that dont drive carry ID with them,how many criminals carry ID with them and as the UK has no law that people have to carry ID like the rest of the world what will they do if the person thay ask for ID dont have any?
Will they be allowed to 'PNC' people?

Only person I'd be willing to give my details to is the police.

This is too much of a shady area IMO.

Desperation.

Govt. are too blame for cuts. Front line services suffer. This is the kind of solution you'll get.
[quote][p][bold]phill67[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GGhammy[/bold] wrote: sounds ok in principle and if it helps people feel safer as some of the shopkeepers say, but "demanding identification" ! i can see a slippery slope of private security guards becoming british stasi leading to ordinary people being made to feel like criminals if they do minor things like riding a bike on the pavement...councillo rs be very wary of what you've started here...[/p][/quote]How many people that dont drive carry ID with them,how many criminals carry ID with them and as the UK has no law that people have to carry ID like the rest of the world what will they do if the person thay ask for ID dont have any?[/p][/quote]Will they be allowed to 'PNC' people? Only person I'd be willing to give my details to is the police. This is too much of a shady area IMO. Desperation. Govt. are too blame for cuts. Front line services suffer. This is the kind of solution you'll get. stevobath
  • Score: 1

5:28pm Wed 9 Jul 14

mpdor says...

Firstly most of us know how the anti social lot talk to the PCSOs they treat the with such disrespect because they know that if the PCSOs want to enforce an decision they have to get the Police out to do the enforcement, I can just see the anti social cretins getting into physical confrontation with what are in effect security guards, as for reporting incidents what's the point, I have repeatedly reported a drug house for months now, and nothing is done to ensure the problem is solved, so why should I bother, where are the night patrols in boscombe, seldom have I ever in 21 years seen an officer on foot, yet half of boscombe reeks of pot at night, its always the same people as well the so called characters, I for one am getting to the stage of joining them, I feel like the next time I am bothered by these people id be better of putting one on them and taking the fine, because when you do the right thing its seen as a sign of weakness by the anti social people, yet I I treat them the same way I would not be bothered im sure
Firstly most of us know how the anti social lot talk to the PCSOs they treat the with such disrespect because they know that if the PCSOs want to enforce an decision they have to get the Police out to do the enforcement, I can just see the anti social cretins getting into physical confrontation with what are in effect security guards, as for reporting incidents what's the point, I have repeatedly reported a drug house for months now, and nothing is done to ensure the problem is solved, so why should I bother, where are the night patrols in boscombe, seldom have I ever in 21 years seen an officer on foot, yet half of boscombe reeks of pot at night, its always the same people as well the so called characters, I for one am getting to the stage of joining them, I feel like the next time I am bothered by these people id be better of putting one on them and taking the fine, because when you do the right thing its seen as a sign of weakness by the anti social people, yet I I treat them the same way I would not be bothered im sure mpdor
  • Score: 0

6:22pm Wed 9 Jul 14

rayc says...

In tonight's Echo there is a report on the local Community Speed Watch teams. Perhaps they and the new CSPO's are signs of the times as the Police relinquish more and more of their work to civilians.
In tonight's Echo there is a report on the local Community Speed Watch teams. Perhaps they and the new CSPO's are signs of the times as the Police relinquish more and more of their work to civilians. rayc
  • Score: -1

6:28pm Wed 9 Jul 14

BH1 loyal says...

This won't work, if these "security" try to apprehend the wrong people I'm sure before long we will hear they have themselves been attacked.
This won't work, if these "security" try to apprehend the wrong people I'm sure before long we will hear they have themselves been attacked. BH1 loyal
  • Score: 3

8:20pm Wed 9 Jul 14

ashleycross says...

Presumably they get their contract renewed for not bothering the police by telling them when someone should be arrested. Great for the statistics to have three people parading around instead of police arresting everyone who is begging, checking them for drug dealing, checking their immigration papers etc etc.
People who know what they are doing in the criminal justice system, ie anyone on drugs because they need to commit crimes to fund that lifestyle, will know perfectly well that this is just like the PCSOs , a fly swat to tackle a rottweiller. Boscombe needs real police with real professional standards and powers and unions to protect them, not some ridiculous window dressing exercise using people on temporary contracts.
Presumably they get their contract renewed for not bothering the police by telling them when someone should be arrested. Great for the statistics to have three people parading around instead of police arresting everyone who is begging, checking them for drug dealing, checking their immigration papers etc etc. People who know what they are doing in the criminal justice system, ie anyone on drugs because they need to commit crimes to fund that lifestyle, will know perfectly well that this is just like the PCSOs , a fly swat to tackle a rottweiller. Boscombe needs real police with real professional standards and powers and unions to protect them, not some ridiculous window dressing exercise using people on temporary contracts. ashleycross
  • Score: 3

10:34pm Wed 9 Jul 14

pete woodley says...

The idea of private security patrolling the streets was once raised in Weymouth,and i went on TV in Bristol opposing it.My reasons were that my own experiences as a security guard,led me to realize that far too many guards acted like little dictators,once they donned a uniform,and some were far from honest.
The idea of private security patrolling the streets was once raised in Weymouth,and i went on TV in Bristol opposing it.My reasons were that my own experiences as a security guard,led me to realize that far too many guards acted like little dictators,once they donned a uniform,and some were far from honest. pete woodley
  • Score: 6

1:07am Thu 10 Jul 14

ppn says...

As a resident of Boscombe I more than happy to give them the benefit of doubt, at the moment the streets are a mess people loiter, they deal the whole are attracts the most revolting people it is intimidating to walk the streets at any time of the day, if the new security people deter just a few of the characters! We have to put up with then great, also it would be nice to think that perhaps when you need someone with links to the police then you can access them and more people on the ground would do just that. I see drug deals all the time but phoning the police doesn't work, the control centre just sound bored it's like what do you expect it's boscombe yet we are led to believe that they want us to interact. I am not prepared to spend 20 mins on the phone waiting to be interrogated for trying to do my duty and clean up where I live, I reallly hope that abquick word with one of these chaps might at least result in a visible presence and deterrent wherever the action is happening. Let's just give them a chance it's not as though anyone is being asked to pay for it directly and I would far rather the vast amount of tax I paid was directed to at least trying to find a solution.
As a resident of Boscombe I more than happy to give them the benefit of doubt, at the moment the streets are a mess people loiter, they deal the whole are attracts the most revolting people it is intimidating to walk the streets at any time of the day, if the new security people deter just a few of the characters! We have to put up with then great, also it would be nice to think that perhaps when you need someone with links to the police then you can access them and more people on the ground would do just that. I see drug deals all the time but phoning the police doesn't work, the control centre just sound bored it's like what do you expect it's boscombe yet we are led to believe that they want us to interact. I am not prepared to spend 20 mins on the phone waiting to be interrogated for trying to do my duty and clean up where I live, I reallly hope that abquick word with one of these chaps might at least result in a visible presence and deterrent wherever the action is happening. Let's just give them a chance it's not as though anyone is being asked to pay for it directly and I would far rather the vast amount of tax I paid was directed to at least trying to find a solution. ppn
  • Score: 4

3:35pm Thu 10 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

As members of the public (albeit in uniform) they have no powers beyond what you or I have. Anyone can make a citzens arrest and hold the suspect for 30 mins max ( to allow for the police to takeover.) They can demand ID til they are blue in the face but there is NO legal obligation to give it ( as indeed is the case with the real police- unless you are in a motor vehicle) so may the Echo should have a little look into the law before printing such rubbish!
As members of the public (albeit in uniform) they have no powers beyond what you or I have. Anyone can make a citzens arrest and hold the suspect for 30 mins max ( to allow for the police to takeover.) They can demand ID til they are blue in the face but there is NO legal obligation to give it ( as indeed is the case with the real police- unless you are in a motor vehicle) so may the Echo should have a little look into the law before printing such rubbish! uvox44
  • Score: 3

5:40pm Thu 10 Jul 14

on-the-sunny-side says...

this is just the start. next ,they will have handcuffs and a cosh. soon it will be tasers.
this is just the start. next ,they will have handcuffs and a cosh. soon it will be tasers. on-the-sunny-side
  • Score: 0

7:45pm Thu 10 Jul 14

pete woodley says...

on-the-sunny-side wrote:
this is just the start. next ,they will have handcuffs and a cosh. soon it will be tasers.
Further to my previous comment,when on tv,one so called security expert,admitted that he carried a weapon,which i tried to point out was not allowed and definitely frowned on by most security firms.I myself cannot remember anyone i worked with ever carrying a weapon.
[quote][p][bold]on-the-sunny-side[/bold] wrote: this is just the start. next ,they will have handcuffs and a cosh. soon it will be tasers.[/p][/quote]Further to my previous comment,when on tv,one so called security expert,admitted that he carried a weapon,which i tried to point out was not allowed and definitely frowned on by most security firms.I myself cannot remember anyone i worked with ever carrying a weapon. pete woodley
  • Score: 1

11:12am Sun 13 Jul 14

Gul Gal says...

Some of the comments on this thread sounds indicative of far more unpleasance and violence than I have ever encountered in Boscombe, where, apart from beggers (who, on being told nothing's doing, have always been quite polite and gone away), I (a fairly easily-startled woman, by all accounts) have never felt intimidated, frightened or bothered by any of the residents. I have, however, felt intimidated, frightened and bothered by the excessive and very visible level of police presence. It's as though being an area that is simultaneously poor and subcultural is a crime. IT ISN'T.
& let's remind ourselves that these people are the residents of Boscombe. If you're not a resident of Boscombe and you object to them, leave them alone and stay where you live, and in other places the vibes of which you happen to resonate with. If you are a resident of Boscombe, accept that there is diversity in the area in which you live, and perhaps try to make friends with your neighbours rather than trying to force people out just because they're not like you (how would you like it?).
Unless someone actually commits a crime against you, be a reasonable and polite human being and leave them alone (or you will be being a snobby fusspot).
Some of the comments on this thread sounds indicative of far more unpleasance and violence than I have ever encountered in Boscombe, where, apart from beggers (who, on being told nothing's doing, have always been quite polite and gone away), I (a fairly easily-startled woman, by all accounts) have never felt intimidated, frightened or bothered by any of the residents. I have, however, felt intimidated, frightened and bothered by the excessive and very visible level of police presence. It's as though being an area that is simultaneously poor and subcultural is a crime. IT ISN'T. & let's remind ourselves that these people are the residents of Boscombe. If you're not a resident of Boscombe and you object to them, leave them alone and stay where you live, and in other places the vibes of which you happen to resonate with. If you are a resident of Boscombe, accept that there is diversity in the area in which you live, and perhaps try to make friends with your neighbours rather than trying to force people out just because they're not like you (how would you like it?). Unless someone actually commits a crime against you, be a reasonable and polite human being and leave them alone (or you will be being a snobby fusspot). Gul Gal
  • Score: -2

5:28pm Sun 13 Jul 14

pete woodley says...

Gul Gal,we are ALL entitled to go where we like, not to be told to "stay where you live".If we all stayed away from Boscombe it would go down even further .Think before making such ridiculous comments.
Gul Gal,we are ALL entitled to go where we like, not to be told to "stay where you live".If we all stayed away from Boscombe it would go down even further .Think before making such ridiculous comments. pete woodley
  • Score: 0

5:29pm Sun 13 Jul 14

pete woodley says...

Gul Gal,we are ALL entitled to go where we like, not to be told to "stay where you live".If we all stayed away from Boscombe it would go down even further .Think before making such ridiculous comments.Ask mummy or daddy,where they want to shop,etc.
Gul Gal,we are ALL entitled to go where we like, not to be told to "stay where you live".If we all stayed away from Boscombe it would go down even further .Think before making such ridiculous comments.Ask mummy or daddy,where they want to shop,etc. pete woodley
  • Score: 0

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