Fears over plans to remove parking spaces in Boscombe as part of ‘shared space’ vision

Bournemouth Echo: WORRIES: Harry Seccombe from Chaplin’s in Boscombe is unhappy about the plans to get rid of the parking bays on Christchurch Road WORRIES: Harry Seccombe from Chaplin’s in Boscombe is unhappy about the plans to get rid of the parking bays on Christchurch Road

BOSCOMBE businesses will be hit hard by council plans to remove town centre parking spaces, a bar owner has claimed.

Harry Seccombe, owner of Chaplins in Christchurch Road, said proposed changes to both the number of bays and waiting times between the precinct and the Crescent will see shops there lose out.

As part of its ‘shared space’ vision for the area, Bournemouth Borough Council has proposed to remove all on-road parking spaces in that stretch of road, replacing them with fewer bays built into pavements.

“There are four supermarkets and a 24-hour shop, which are all very busy, and their customers rely on the half hour parking spaces,” said Mr Seccombe, who is also vice-chairman of Boscombe Forum.

“Here at Chaplins we have live music seven days a week and our bands need to be able to unload outside. They don’t want to be carrying heavy, expensive equipment through the streets.

“It is no good trying to regenerate the precinct while degenerating businesses here. People use cars and we aren’t going to turn Boscombe around by making it impossible to park here.”

Responding to Mr Seccombe, council traffic engineer Chris Parkes said there would be a loading only bay across from Chaplins and the number of spaces was only reduced by three.

“This proposed order is part of the process to implement the Boscombe Regeneration Scheme, which aims to make Boscombe a more attractive and vibrant place for those who live in, work in and visit the area,” he said.

However Mr Seccombe said he believed that there were five or six parking spaces going through the plans and that the loading bays would be abused by some people popping into the shops.

He was also concerned with how the council had handled the consultation on the plans.

“My concern is that the council hasn’t really engaged at all, none of the businesses around here know about these plans.

“I have heard nothing about them at the business association or the forum,” he said.

“Many of these businesses have foreign owners for whom English is a second language and they don’t understand the process.

“Consulting them needed personal contact from the council.”

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1:01pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Dibbles2 says...

However Mr Seccombe said he believed that there were five or six parking spaces going through the plans and that the loading bays would be abused by some people popping into the shops.

Surely its the answer to his prayers for people off loading heavy and expensive equipment as if there is no loading bay at all and the spaces are full up they are stuffed anyway! It should make the spaces more accessible for the purpose his business purposes.
However Mr Seccombe said he believed that there were five or six parking spaces going through the plans and that the loading bays would be abused by some people popping into the shops. Surely its the answer to his prayers for people off loading heavy and expensive equipment as if there is no loading bay at all and the spaces are full up they are stuffed anyway! It should make the spaces more accessible for the purpose his business purposes. Dibbles2
  • Score: 3

1:07pm Tue 24 Jun 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

We should demand that they should reduce the number of parking spaces for staff at the Town Hall and see how they like it ,,,, its one law for us and another for them
We should demand that they should reduce the number of parking spaces for staff at the Town Hall and see how they like it ,,,, its one law for us and another for them fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 3

2:45pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Tig says...

It's not clear why they are intent on taking away any of the parking. What for? As Harry says, it's needed if they want to turn the area around.
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Loading bays across the road from Chaplin's will help, but from the autumn only traffic wardens will be able to hand out tickets to those who aren't loading/unloading. Will there be wardens around in the evenings and, in particular, late at night when bands want to load their gear but cars are parked there? It's no fun pushing a heavy amp around the back streets of Boscombe, either to Chaplin's or back to your vehicle, especially in the rain.
It's not clear why they are intent on taking away any of the parking. What for? As Harry says, it's needed if they want to turn the area around. . Loading bays across the road from Chaplin's will help, but from the autumn only traffic wardens will be able to hand out tickets to those who aren't loading/unloading. Will there be wardens around in the evenings and, in particular, late at night when bands want to load their gear but cars are parked there? It's no fun pushing a heavy amp around the back streets of Boscombe, either to Chaplin's or back to your vehicle, especially in the rain. Tig
  • Score: 5

2:51pm Tue 24 Jun 14

TheOneTrueVlad says...

Dibbles2 wrote:
However Mr Seccombe said he believed that there were five or six parking spaces going through the plans and that the loading bays would be abused by some people popping into the shops.

Surely its the answer to his prayers for people off loading heavy and expensive equipment as if there is no loading bay at all and the spaces are full up they are stuffed anyway! It should make the spaces more accessible for the purpose his business purposes.
I often go to the open mic nights at Chaplin's. I usually get the last space outside or have to park just across the road (taking a residential space). Loosing the spaces will not help at all for us or the residents. The loading bays are not always accessible either. I would be uncomfortable leaving equipment unattended, even in a venue, to go and park. There are still thieves who will chance walking out of a bar with equipment. Someone had their guitar stolen from an open mic at O'Neill's a few months back and they were in the venue at the time. So all in all not an answer to his prayers, as making a just about good enough scenario worse can never be considered an improvement. Certainly as policing the loading bay in the evening is highly unlikely.
I am not sure having bays instead of on the road actually makes any impact on how the area looks or feels either. Sounds like a waste of money and a lot of unnecessary hassle during the redevelopment work.
[quote][p][bold]Dibbles2[/bold] wrote: However Mr Seccombe said he believed that there were five or six parking spaces going through the plans and that the loading bays would be abused by some people popping into the shops. Surely its the answer to his prayers for people off loading heavy and expensive equipment as if there is no loading bay at all and the spaces are full up they are stuffed anyway! It should make the spaces more accessible for the purpose his business purposes.[/p][/quote]I often go to the open mic nights at Chaplin's. I usually get the last space outside or have to park just across the road (taking a residential space). Loosing the spaces will not help at all for us or the residents. The loading bays are not always accessible either. I would be uncomfortable leaving equipment unattended, even in a venue, to go and park. There are still thieves who will chance walking out of a bar with equipment. Someone had their guitar stolen from an open mic at O'Neill's a few months back and they were in the venue at the time. So all in all not an answer to his prayers, as making a just about good enough scenario worse can never be considered an improvement. Certainly as policing the loading bay in the evening is highly unlikely. I am not sure having bays instead of on the road actually makes any impact on how the area looks or feels either. Sounds like a waste of money and a lot of unnecessary hassle during the redevelopment work. TheOneTrueVlad
  • Score: 2

3:07pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Hessenford says...

Bournemouth Council has no idea how to regenerate the town centre but they have plenty of ideas to turn it into a ghost town and drive more and more people to out of town shopping centres.
Bournemouth Council has no idea how to regenerate the town centre but they have plenty of ideas to turn it into a ghost town and drive more and more people to out of town shopping centres. Hessenford
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3:16pm Tue 24 Jun 14

BmthNewshound says...

What is it with Bournemouth Council and their "visions" ? As vice-chair of the Boscombe Forum Mr Seccombe should be well aware that Bournemouth Councils approach to regeneration of Boscombe is a complete joke. I'd be interested to know how a "shared space" will actually make Boscombe more attractive and vibrant when all removing parking spaces will do is drive customers away and result in more empty shops.
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Today we've had stories of a stabbing, mugging and axe wielding in Boscombe and the Councils rather shambolic response to the areas social problems is to create a "shared space" like thats going to help.
What is it with Bournemouth Council and their "visions" ? As vice-chair of the Boscombe Forum Mr Seccombe should be well aware that Bournemouth Councils approach to regeneration of Boscombe is a complete joke. I'd be interested to know how a "shared space" will actually make Boscombe more attractive and vibrant when all removing parking spaces will do is drive customers away and result in more empty shops. . Today we've had stories of a stabbing, mugging and axe wielding in Boscombe and the Councils rather shambolic response to the areas social problems is to create a "shared space" like thats going to help. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 5

4:12pm Tue 24 Jun 14

bobthedestroyer says...

More Council officers doing what they want regardless. The Councillors d aren't go against officer recommendation through fear of being reported to the Chief Exec.
More Council officers doing what they want regardless. The Councillors d aren't go against officer recommendation through fear of being reported to the Chief Exec. bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 0

7:06pm Tue 24 Jun 14

churchill gardens resident says...

Regenerating Boscombe Do me a favour 3 violent crimes reported in the echo in one day..& where is Cllr Kelly nowhere to be seen ...
Regenerating Boscombe Do me a favour 3 violent crimes reported in the echo in one day..& where is Cllr Kelly nowhere to be seen ... churchill gardens resident
  • Score: 2

7:48pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Baysider says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
We should demand that they should reduce the number of parking spaces for staff at the Town Hall and see how they like it ,,,, its one law for us and another for them
BBC have greatly reduced the parking available to staff at the Town Hall and elsewhere. It is now only available to those staff who require the use of a vehicle on a regular (daily) basis in order to carry out their duties. Wrong again Jobbie.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: We should demand that they should reduce the number of parking spaces for staff at the Town Hall and see how they like it ,,,, its one law for us and another for them[/p][/quote]BBC have greatly reduced the parking available to staff at the Town Hall and elsewhere. It is now only available to those staff who require the use of a vehicle on a regular (daily) basis in order to carry out their duties. Wrong again Jobbie. Baysider
  • Score: 11

7:56pm Tue 24 Jun 14

UrbanCrab says...

Another retrograde step by the council in the name of regeneration.
Almost as good as the declaration to regenerate via the arts which started with the demolition of the arts centre for housing last year.
Pure incompetence and lack of listening to local residents and businesses in Boscombe.
Another retrograde step by the council in the name of regeneration. Almost as good as the declaration to regenerate via the arts which started with the demolition of the arts centre for housing last year. Pure incompetence and lack of listening to local residents and businesses in Boscombe. UrbanCrab
  • Score: 1

10:43pm Tue 24 Jun 14

jinglebell says...

About 3 years ago, a friend, who is a good friend of a Councillor told me the Leader of the Council intends to do all he can to reduce trade to the shops, so they are worthless. They will then be sold for a pittance and planning applications for change of use to domestic premises (small flats) will be "favourably considered".
Looks like this Council decision was made with the intention to reduce trade.....
About 3 years ago, a friend, who is a good friend of a Councillor told me the Leader of the Council intends to do all he can to reduce trade to the shops, so they are worthless. They will then be sold for a pittance and planning applications for change of use to domestic premises (small flats) will be "favourably considered". Looks like this Council decision was made with the intention to reduce trade..... jinglebell
  • Score: -2

11:30pm Tue 24 Jun 14

s-pb2 says...

Same thing is already happening through Pokesdown. Parking spaces disappearing and forcing those who want to visit the shops etc into residential streets, who in turn are complaining about overparking and new parking restrictions being introduced. Soon the nearest place to park in Bournemouth will be Christchurch.
Same thing is already happening through Pokesdown. Parking spaces disappearing and forcing those who want to visit the shops etc into residential streets, who in turn are complaining about overparking and new parking restrictions being introduced. Soon the nearest place to park in Bournemouth will be Christchurch. s-pb2
  • Score: 3

12:46am Wed 25 Jun 14

hrryseccombe says...

My objection:-

To Whom It May Concern:

Ref: BOURNEMOUTH BOROUGH COUNCIL (PARKING REGULATION ORDERS) (CONSOLIDATION) ORDER 2013 (VARIATION) (NO.3) ORDER 2014

With regard to changes to parking on Christchurch Road, specifically the bays outside 529 Christchurch Road, I wish to object to the council's proposals. I am the owner of Chaplin's Bar, which is a busy day and night time venue with a twenty-four hour license. It is necessary for bands every night of the week to load and unload heavy equipment into and out of the bar, as we put on music seven days a week and we are expanding our entertainment to include theatre. Loading and unloading occurs all day and until 4 am weekend closing time. The complete absence of loading and unloading facilities and/or parking would mean musicians having to carry expensive equipment through an area known for crime into side roads and back streets, increasing the chance of criminal activity such as mugging and theft.

It also means that travelling bands that may have personal belongings in their vans will be forced to leave these items at considerable distance from the venue. This would deter bands, acting troupes and suchlike from attending performances at Chaplin's in Boscombe.

Between 9 PM and 4AM on weekends we have approximately 500 customers entering and leaving our venue. The provision of only one taxi space seems inadequate for this amount of traffic.

We also have many regular customers who only come to the area to visit our venue knowing that there is parking immediately outside. It is our belief that they would not come if they had to leave their cars elsewhere. Our daytime trade would be affected as no other parking is being offered in the area. The bulk of parking is pay-only, difficult to find and at considerable distance from our premises. I also consider that these changes would negatively impact other businesses on this road that are already struggling.

Chaplin's is a multi-award winning venue employing 25 people, and is widely viewed as an asset to Boscombe and its community, having been recognised at the House of Lords as the Best Bar None in 2012.

Chaplin's also hosts at least ten all-day charity events per year, where we host up to thirty live acts in a day, all of which have equipment needing to be loaded and unloaded. Furthermore, in October Chaplin's will be included in the Best Beer Guide after winning the East Dorset CAMRA pub of the year which will attract visitors from all over the UK, who often travel in large groups and will not be able to park near the venue, day or night. This will deter potential new tourism from coming into Boscombe.

The business has been steadily growing over the past five years. I believe that the lack of facility to load and unload, and sufficient parking, will be to our detriment, resulting in lower turnover and job losses. Note should be made that Chaplin's has no rear parking or facility to load and unload, apart from in the driveway which belongs to the Credit Union next door. I have closely inspected the plans and I see no valid reason why these parking bays are being removed, allowing only limited parking outside Iceland, in an area that is always inundated with cars, even at night. There has been considerable reduction of parking in recent years, particularly in Roumelia Lane, despite the increase in residential housing in the area.

The widespread changes being proposed will further exacerbate this existing problem.

I trust that you will consider these objections with the seriousness that this matter deserves.

Mr Seccombe
My objection:- To Whom It May Concern: Ref: BOURNEMOUTH BOROUGH COUNCIL (PARKING REGULATION ORDERS) (CONSOLIDATION) ORDER 2013 (VARIATION) (NO.3) ORDER 2014 With regard to changes to parking on Christchurch Road, specifically the bays outside 529 Christchurch Road, I wish to object to the council's proposals. I am the owner of Chaplin's Bar, which is a busy day and night time venue with a twenty-four hour license. It is necessary for bands every night of the week to load and unload heavy equipment into and out of the bar, as we put on music seven days a week and we are expanding our entertainment to include theatre. Loading and unloading occurs all day and until 4 am weekend closing time. The complete absence of loading and unloading facilities and/or parking would mean musicians having to carry expensive equipment through an area known for crime into side roads and back streets, increasing the chance of criminal activity such as mugging and theft. It also means that travelling bands that may have personal belongings in their vans will be forced to leave these items at considerable distance from the venue. This would deter bands, acting troupes and suchlike from attending performances at Chaplin's in Boscombe. Between 9 PM and 4AM on weekends we have approximately 500 customers entering and leaving our venue. The provision of only one taxi space seems inadequate for this amount of traffic. We also have many regular customers who only come to the area to visit our venue knowing that there is parking immediately outside. It is our belief that they would not come if they had to leave their cars elsewhere. Our daytime trade would be affected as no other parking is being offered in the area. The bulk of parking is pay-only, difficult to find and at considerable distance from our premises. I also consider that these changes would negatively impact other businesses on this road that are already struggling. Chaplin's is a multi-award winning venue employing 25 people, and is widely viewed as an asset to Boscombe and its community, having been recognised at the House of Lords as the Best Bar None in 2012. Chaplin's also hosts at least ten all-day charity events per year, where we host up to thirty live acts in a day, all of which have equipment needing to be loaded and unloaded. Furthermore, in October Chaplin's will be included in the Best Beer Guide after winning the East Dorset CAMRA pub of the year which will attract visitors from all over the UK, who often travel in large groups and will not be able to park near the venue, day or night. This will deter potential new tourism from coming into Boscombe. The business has been steadily growing over the past five years. I believe that the lack of facility to load and unload, and sufficient parking, will be to our detriment, resulting in lower turnover and job losses. Note should be made that Chaplin's has no rear parking or facility to load and unload, apart from in the driveway which belongs to the Credit Union next door. I have closely inspected the plans and I see no valid reason why these parking bays are being removed, allowing only limited parking outside Iceland, in an area that is always inundated with cars, even at night. There has been considerable reduction of parking in recent years, particularly in Roumelia Lane, despite the increase in residential housing in the area. The widespread changes being proposed will further exacerbate this existing problem. I trust that you will consider these objections with the seriousness that this matter deserves. Mr Seccombe hrryseccombe
  • Score: 5

12:47am Wed 25 Jun 14

hrryseccombe says...

a somewhat dismissive council response:-

Dear Mr Seccombe

Ref: BOURNEMOUTH BOROUGH COUNCIL (PARKING REGULATION ORDERS) (CONSOLIDATION) ORDER 2013 (VARIATION) (NO.3) ORDER 2014

Thank you for your submission for the above proposed traffic regulation order.

The proposed shared (loading only & taxi only) opposite your premises would allow the loading and unloading of heavy equipment. With the bay restricted to loading only, it is thought that the proposal would provide a greater likelihood of finding a loading space close to your premises than the current arrangement.

Following discussions with the Taxi Trade Association they have indicated that they would prefer the proposed taxi only element of the shared bay opposite your premises not to be included. They feel that the proposed taxi bays outside the Royal Arcade entrance would provide an adequate taxi rank service with the waiting taxis in the Aldi car park feeding the bays as they become available. Therefore, the removal of the taxi element from the proposed shared loading bay opposite your premises would allow vehicles to be parked in the bay from 10pm to 6am.

This proposed order is part of the process to implement the Boscombe Regeneration Scheme which aims to make Boscombe a more attractive and vibrant place for those who live, work and visit the area:

· Improving the quality and layout of the space, so it can be used for activities such as events, markets and informal recreation

Improving pedestrian movement around the area
Improving road safety and access for all
Attracting more customers
Tidying and de-cluttering the area
It is believed that for these reasons the scheme will make an improvement for the 500+ customers that frequent your establishment over the weekend, not only for their safety but their perception of Boscombe as well.

The proposals will reduce the amount of evening parking by three spaces, however it is believed that the above gains outweigh this.

I can also assure you that your concerns will be considered as part of this consultation.

Kind regards

Chris Parkes
Traffic Engineer – Traffic Management
Planning, Transport and Regulation
a somewhat dismissive council response:- Dear Mr Seccombe Ref: BOURNEMOUTH BOROUGH COUNCIL (PARKING REGULATION ORDERS) (CONSOLIDATION) ORDER 2013 (VARIATION) (NO.3) ORDER 2014 Thank you for your submission for the above proposed traffic regulation order. The proposed shared (loading only & taxi only) opposite your premises would allow the loading and unloading of heavy equipment. With the bay restricted to loading only, it is thought that the proposal would provide a greater likelihood of finding a loading space close to your premises than the current arrangement. Following discussions with the Taxi Trade Association they have indicated that they would prefer the proposed taxi only element of the shared bay opposite your premises not to be included. They feel that the proposed taxi bays outside the Royal Arcade entrance would provide an adequate taxi rank service with the waiting taxis in the Aldi car park feeding the bays as they become available. Therefore, the removal of the taxi element from the proposed shared loading bay opposite your premises would allow vehicles to be parked in the bay from 10pm to 6am. This proposed order is part of the process to implement the Boscombe Regeneration Scheme which aims to make Boscombe a more attractive and vibrant place for those who live, work and visit the area: · Improving the quality and layout of the space, so it can be used for activities such as events, markets and informal recreation Improving pedestrian movement around the area Improving road safety and access for all Attracting more customers Tidying and de-cluttering the area It is believed that for these reasons the scheme will make an improvement for the 500+ customers that frequent your establishment over the weekend, not only for their safety but their perception of Boscombe as well. The proposals will reduce the amount of evening parking by three spaces, however it is believed that the above gains outweigh this. I can also assure you that your concerns will be considered as part of this consultation. Kind regards Chris Parkes Traffic Engineer – Traffic Management Planning, Transport and Regulation hrryseccombe
  • Score: -3

12:48am Wed 25 Jun 14

hrryseccombe says...

A response to the response:-

To Mr Chris Parkes,

Thank you for your response, I would like to add the following to my official objection.

Since I sent the last email I have approached the businesses on Christchurch Road from the corner opposite McDonald's to the Crescent and found only 1 business owner who knew about these proposals. The majority of the businesses are owned by foreigners and people for whom English is a second language. These people are unaware of how to object to these changes and some have difficulty writing english and they were unclear as to the consequences to their businesses. I would have thought that for such extensive changes a thorough consultation with the affected businesses would have been undertaken. I ,myself, am a member of the Boscombe Business Forum and attend every meeting, at no point has the extent of these changes been presented at these meeting or feedback asked. I am also vice-chair of The Boscombe Forum which represents all the residents in East and West Boscombe and we have not been approached to help facilitate any consultation or engagement which, quite frankly, shocks and surprises me. I myself was only made aware by email from the new town centre manager, Carol Butler, 3 days ago almost 2weeks after the consultation was originally scheduled to end, leaving no time to organise any meeting for local residents or businesses.

Whilst it is commendable that you have engaged with the Taxi Trade Association, it is vastly remiss not to have engaged much more fully with ALL people and businesses affected using all available means especially the forums. I believe that not enough has been done with regard to engagement. Regeneration with consulting local residents and businesses is doomed to failure, and there is a danger through these proposals of degenerating this area rather than the opposite.

You state it is only 3 parking spaces being lost , I presume that you include the loading only bays as replaced parking. It seems to me that parking spaces being lost to shoppers is more like 5 or 6. Even at only 3 spaces based on half hour parking slots 9-6pm means 54 lost parking opportunities a day, factoring in the extended stay in the remaining spaces it seem that the figure is close to 100 potential lost shoppers and visitors to this area of Boscombe.This is without looking at the effect on the area at night. There are 4 supermarkets, and a busy 24hour convenience store on this stretch as well as 5 fast-food restaurants/take-awa
ys and the credit union community bank which caters to many vulnerable people and a busy local chemist. Where will all these shops customers park day and night? There are also proposals to put the police station and children's services into the Argos building which will necessitate even more traffic and need for short term parking. This is a deprived area and reducing free parking in the area is very counterproductive, to assume people will just use paying car parks far away from where they need to go, eg the bank , police station etc, is naive and shoppers are more likely to consider places such as castlepoiny and adds and Tesco's with large free car parks as better options. I fail to see the logic behind these proposals and how it will help this area. It seems any trade that wishes to still go to Boscombe will be funnelled into the precinct car parks, thus taking trade away from the edges.

With regard to the 2 loading bays, I think that this will be insufficient for all the businesses and people will be tempted to break the no stopping regulations, thus causing potential hazards and road traffic accidents on this stretch. Also at night these bays are likely to be taken by residents and would be unavailable for use by the night time businesses, again I consider it insufficient for the use if a busy 24 hour pub, 4 night-time take a ways 2 late night supermarkets and a 24 hour very busy licensed convenience store.

Also the dragging of heavy equipment across the busy main road late at night from my venue, should a space be available, hardly seems ideal. Again I believe people will stop illegally and the nature of night policing in the area will mean this is not adequately policed and defeats the whole purpose of the plan.

In total I belive there has been a woeful lack of engagement in this matter both with local business and residents, in a matter that could have a serious negative impact on this area of Boscombe West, an area that is currently trading well and has very few empty units. 100 lost parking opportunities a day (not including the effect on the night time economy which is a greater figure) is over 35,000 less visitors to this end of Boscombe, the free short term parking is well used and welcoming to visitors and shoppers alike and will take people away from the newly refurbished crescent and could be an expensive self-defeating exercise. I urge caution and a commitment to a thorough engagement with the local businesses concerned (including roumelia lane) and local residents. I would not like to have to say "I told you so but you did not listen" in 2 years time. The multi-cultural nature of the businesses here should have necessitated , at the very least, a meeting to discuss this if not a personal visit to explain what would be happening and how to raise concerns.

I would like this objection to be added to my previous one to reflect my views.

Thank you and I trust this will be taken on board.

Mr Seccombe,
A response to the response:- To Mr Chris Parkes, Thank you for your response, I would like to add the following to my official objection. Since I sent the last email I have approached the businesses on Christchurch Road from the corner opposite McDonald's to the Crescent and found only 1 business owner who knew about these proposals. The majority of the businesses are owned by foreigners and people for whom English is a second language. These people are unaware of how to object to these changes and some have difficulty writing english and they were unclear as to the consequences to their businesses. I would have thought that for such extensive changes a thorough consultation with the affected businesses would have been undertaken. I ,myself, am a member of the Boscombe Business Forum and attend every meeting, at no point has the extent of these changes been presented at these meeting or feedback asked. I am also vice-chair of The Boscombe Forum which represents all the residents in East and West Boscombe and we have not been approached to help facilitate any consultation or engagement which, quite frankly, shocks and surprises me. I myself was only made aware by email from the new town centre manager, Carol Butler, 3 days ago almost 2weeks after the consultation was originally scheduled to end, leaving no time to organise any meeting for local residents or businesses. Whilst it is commendable that you have engaged with the Taxi Trade Association, it is vastly remiss not to have engaged much more fully with ALL people and businesses affected using all available means especially the forums. I believe that not enough has been done with regard to engagement. Regeneration with consulting local residents and businesses is doomed to failure, and there is a danger through these proposals of degenerating this area rather than the opposite. You state it is only 3 parking spaces being lost , I presume that you include the loading only bays as replaced parking. It seems to me that parking spaces being lost to shoppers is more like 5 or 6. Even at only 3 spaces based on half hour parking slots 9-6pm means 54 lost parking opportunities a day, factoring in the extended stay in the remaining spaces it seem that the figure is close to 100 potential lost shoppers and visitors to this area of Boscombe.This is without looking at the effect on the area at night. There are 4 supermarkets, and a busy 24hour convenience store on this stretch as well as 5 fast-food restaurants/take-awa ys and the credit union community bank which caters to many vulnerable people and a busy local chemist. Where will all these shops customers park day and night? There are also proposals to put the police station and children's services into the Argos building which will necessitate even more traffic and need for short term parking. This is a deprived area and reducing free parking in the area is very counterproductive, to assume people will just use paying car parks far away from where they need to go, eg the bank , police station etc, is naive and shoppers are more likely to consider places such as castlepoiny and adds and Tesco's with large free car parks as better options. I fail to see the logic behind these proposals and how it will help this area. It seems any trade that wishes to still go to Boscombe will be funnelled into the precinct car parks, thus taking trade away from the edges. With regard to the 2 loading bays, I think that this will be insufficient for all the businesses and people will be tempted to break the no stopping regulations, thus causing potential hazards and road traffic accidents on this stretch. Also at night these bays are likely to be taken by residents and would be unavailable for use by the night time businesses, again I consider it insufficient for the use if a busy 24 hour pub, 4 night-time take a ways 2 late night supermarkets and a 24 hour very busy licensed convenience store. Also the dragging of heavy equipment across the busy main road late at night from my venue, should a space be available, hardly seems ideal. Again I believe people will stop illegally and the nature of night policing in the area will mean this is not adequately policed and defeats the whole purpose of the plan. In total I belive there has been a woeful lack of engagement in this matter both with local business and residents, in a matter that could have a serious negative impact on this area of Boscombe West, an area that is currently trading well and has very few empty units. 100 lost parking opportunities a day (not including the effect on the night time economy which is a greater figure) is over 35,000 less visitors to this end of Boscombe, the free short term parking is well used and welcoming to visitors and shoppers alike and will take people away from the newly refurbished crescent and could be an expensive self-defeating exercise. I urge caution and a commitment to a thorough engagement with the local businesses concerned (including roumelia lane) and local residents. I would not like to have to say "I told you so but you did not listen" in 2 years time. The multi-cultural nature of the businesses here should have necessitated , at the very least, a meeting to discuss this if not a personal visit to explain what would be happening and how to raise concerns. I would like this objection to be added to my previous one to reflect my views. Thank you and I trust this will be taken on board. Mr Seccombe, hrryseccombe
  • Score: 2

1:06am Thu 26 Jun 14

greybeard1 says...

And so we have the usual ourpuring of negativity and outright crass comments from most of those posting, so called newshounds, destroyers and the likes. The majority are always quick to make juvenile comments but as ever have nothing constructive to offer. I guess this is because juvenile comments are easy to make but constructive comments require thinking and effort. Whether one agrees with the council or not, they have come up with a positive plan, (details of which were available in the Sovereign Centre, Royal Arcade, Library) and are putting it into action. I have been to many Boscombe Forum meetings and have yet have hear anything constructive from Mr Seccombe or his colleagues.
With regard to parking outside Chaplins, as a Boscombe resident of many years, I have yet to find a space in the road at any time day!
As for engaging via forums, it was Mr S who pointed out at the last Boscombe Forum that it was not well attended, although all the councillors were present. Perhaps he shoud spend more time in encouraging local business owners to attend, he is afterall a prime mover in Boscombe Forum.
And so we have the usual ourpuring of negativity and outright crass comments from most of those posting, so called newshounds, destroyers and the likes. The majority are always quick to make juvenile comments but as ever have nothing constructive to offer. I guess this is because juvenile comments are easy to make but constructive comments require thinking and effort. Whether one agrees with the council or not, they have come up with a positive plan, (details of which were available in the Sovereign Centre, Royal Arcade, Library) and are putting it into action. I have been to many Boscombe Forum meetings and have yet have hear anything constructive from Mr Seccombe or his colleagues. With regard to parking outside Chaplins, as a Boscombe resident of many years, I have yet to find a space in the road at any time day! As for engaging via forums, it was Mr S who pointed out at the last Boscombe Forum that it was not well attended, although all the councillors were present. Perhaps he shoud spend more time in encouraging local business owners to attend, he is afterall a prime mover in Boscombe Forum. greybeard1
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9:17am Thu 26 Jun 14

livingbythesea says...

I would like to thank Mr Seccombe for his very valid concerns, I have very little to add other than as a local tradesman, the opportunity to have 'normal' on street parking available in Boscombe allows me to regularly use the local shops during working hours. I find set size parking bays to be innefficiant as many modern cars are very small and my working vehicle is to large to use them. I hope that our council take a serious look at his concerns as any loss of parking in the area is a real problem
I would like to thank Mr Seccombe for his very valid concerns, I have very little to add other than as a local tradesman, the opportunity to have 'normal' on street parking available in Boscombe allows me to regularly use the local shops during working hours. I find set size parking bays to be innefficiant as many modern cars are very small and my working vehicle is to large to use them. I hope that our council take a serious look at his concerns as any loss of parking in the area is a real problem livingbythesea
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11:59am Thu 26 Jun 14

hrryseccombe says...

The next meeting of theboscombe forum is at 7pm Thursday 10th July at Kings Park School. We will be discussing health and mental health issues in the area for the first time. 2 experienced local doctors will be attending and also a new mental health assessment team. Local councillors and the police will also 've present to update and answer questions from residents. This is a public forum and everyone with an interest in Boscombe is welcome.
The next meeting of theboscombe forum is at 7pm Thursday 10th July at Kings Park School. We will be discussing health and mental health issues in the area for the first time. 2 experienced local doctors will be attending and also a new mental health assessment team. Local councillors and the police will also 've present to update and answer questions from residents. This is a public forum and everyone with an interest in Boscombe is welcome. hrryseccombe
  • Score: 0

4:45pm Fri 11 Jul 14

BMessie says...

Just got a £70 fine for 'overstaying' in Aldi's Boscombe store. As a paying customer I would expect to at least be informed that this time restriction was in place. Signage is appalling. I would have gone elsewhere to do my shopping if I had known about the ?70 tax on shopping at Aldi.

Apparently there is a machine inside you're meant to put your registration number into - only they try not to let you know as it is more profitable for them to get their hired thugs to send court threats and fines.

I now have to deal with Parking Eye - a well documented bunch of cowboy bullies with a notorious reputation for ripping off the general public.

I guess it's not just the shoddy products that help Aldi keep its prices low. It's now using underhand and sneaky tactics to help its bullyboy business partner threaten its customers with court - for a share of the booty presumably.

Not only that but #ParkingEye issued the ticket on June 20 and it didn't arrive until July 6. Even Royal Mail aren't that bad. Something devious is going on to make it impossible to pay the 'reduced' amount of £40. Not that I am going to pay a penny for this cheating scam.

Don't expect me back in Aldi anytime soon.
Just got a £70 fine for 'overstaying' in Aldi's Boscombe store. As a paying customer I would expect to at least be informed that this time restriction was in place. Signage is appalling. I would have gone elsewhere to do my shopping if I had known about the ?70 tax on shopping at Aldi. Apparently there is a machine inside you're meant to put your registration number into - only they try not to let you know as it is more profitable for them to get their hired thugs to send court threats and fines. I now have to deal with Parking Eye - a well documented bunch of cowboy bullies with a notorious reputation for ripping off the general public. I guess it's not just the shoddy products that help Aldi keep its prices low. It's now using underhand and sneaky tactics to help its bullyboy business partner threaten its customers with court - for a share of the booty presumably. Not only that but #ParkingEye issued the ticket on June 20 and it didn't arrive until July 6. Even Royal Mail aren't that bad. Something devious is going on to make it impossible to pay the 'reduced' amount of £40. Not that I am going to pay a penny for this cheating scam. Don't expect me back in Aldi anytime soon. BMessie
  • Score: 0
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