Mum dying of cancer faces another battle over school places for her children

STRESSFUL: Michelle and Stuart Amey

UNCERTAINTY: George and Charlie

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A CANCER-stricken mum appealing for her two little boys to be together at school has been flatly denied by Dorset County Council.

Michelle Amey is desperate for her sons to go the same school so they can support each other through her terminal illness.

But she and husband Stuart have been told six-year-old George will not be able to join Charlie, nine, at Mudeford Junior due to a lack of places.

George is currently a pupil at Mudeford Infants, a place he was only given when Education Secretary Michael Gove intervened due to Michelle’s failing health two years ago.

Despite its claim to be a feeder school to the nearby juniors, history is repeating itself with George once again refused a place.

Michelle was originally diagnosed with skin cancer seven years ago, but the deadly disease has now spread to her brain, kidneys, lungs, liver and lymph nodes.

Two years ago she was given the devastating news that she had just nine months to live but has since been taking a trial drug to buy time. In the last two years she has had four brain tumours removed.

“I am fighting for my life but I am determined to fight for the boys to be together,” she said.

“They have to put up with a lot at home – people don’t realise what goes on behind closed doors.

“Sometimes I can’t walk, my medication makes me extremely sensitive to daylight, I have severe joint pain and nausea – the symptoms are similar to chemotherapy and I don’t know when they are going to strike so sometimes the boys are like my little carers. I want to be able to take my children to school but I can’t be in two places at once.”

George has been offered a place at Somerford Primary, but will be separated from his classmates, all but one of whom are going to Mudeford Junior.

“He has been doing really well at school but is getting really upset about this,” said Michelle. “He doesn’t need another knock and nor do the rest of the family. This is really stressful and I believe the cancer has got worse since all the school business started.”

Stuart, who works in Southampton, recently went through the appeal process to try to win George a place but was refused by a panel he described as “cruel and rude”.

He said: “I felt like they were completely against me and made me justify everything I said about Michelle’s illness despite having a letter from the oncologist, which confirmed the seriousness of her illness and recommended the boys go to the same school.

“It was as if they thought I was lying – I couldn’t believe the way we were treated.”

The family, who live in Saxonford Road, Friar’s Cliff, are considering a further appeal and plan to contact Mr Gove through Christchurch MP Chris Chope, who they described as “extremely supportive”.

Dorset County Council’s cabinet member for education, Toni Coombs, said: “The appeals panel are independent and administer the process very strictly. I do not intervene for any individuals. I am aware of the previous history and I was certainly surprised by the outcome.”

She said the council is looking into the way the appeal was handled and said Mudeford Junior was “bursting at the seams”.

Sara Tough, Dorset County Council’s director for children’s services, added: “The independent panel that considers these appeals have criteria and a code of conduct to ensure all decisions are made in a fair and lawful way.

“We are trying to support the family in any way we can following this decision.”

Classrooms are full up

CHRISTCHURCH is at the heart of the latest school places crisis to hit the area.

A rising birth rate and more young families means many primary schools in the town are full.

Temporary classrooms are already being used at Christchurch Infants School and plans have been announced to add three more classrooms at Burton Primary. Talks with a landowner are also ongoing for a brand new £7million school in the borough.

Recent years have seen problems in Bournemouth where the council has been forced to expand several schools and to build new ones.

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5:44am Tue 24 Jun 14

hamworthygirl says...

So sad for the family its difficult enough for them without the extra stress. Its the same situation for lots of people where they have sent children outside their catchment now they cant get places, I dont know if this is the case here. However I would have thought this situation was exceptional and deserved special consideration..
So sad for the family its difficult enough for them without the extra stress. Its the same situation for lots of people where they have sent children outside their catchment now they cant get places, I dont know if this is the case here. However I would have thought this situation was exceptional and deserved special consideration.. hamworthygirl
  • Score: 95

7:04am Tue 24 Jun 14

skydriver says...

Yet another daft council decision , can't someone just use their brain from time to time , clearly this poor family have a serious problem , just help this family and use a bit of common sense . Forget the rules on this one, help is required so give it, use some compassion .
Yet another daft council decision , can't someone just use their brain from time to time , clearly this poor family have a serious problem , just help this family and use a bit of common sense . Forget the rules on this one, help is required so give it, use some compassion . skydriver
  • Score: 118

7:16am Tue 24 Jun 14

4FCB says...

Wish I had a magic wand to help you. Hopefully someone might just have a heart and do the right thing. Keep fighting on all fronts.
Wish I had a magic wand to help you. Hopefully someone might just have a heart and do the right thing. Keep fighting on all fronts. 4FCB
  • Score: 86

7:19am Tue 24 Jun 14

wilkiemini says...

I don't think people would mind given the circumstances just give him a space....her last days should not be spent worrying about this!
I don't think people would mind given the circumstances just give him a space....her last days should not be spent worrying about this! wilkiemini
  • Score: 90

9:01am Tue 24 Jun 14

MrPitiful says...

The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way.

These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a.

Unlike some.
The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way. These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a. Unlike some. MrPitiful
  • Score: 96

9:40am Tue 24 Jun 14

Baysider says...

MrPitiful wrote:
The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way.

These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a.

Unlike some.
...and another one trying to push his 'discrimination' agenda in a really sad story that has nothing to do with race. The second one today. For gods sake Echo when are you going to start doing something these nasty, ignorant, spiteful posters!
[quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way. These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a. Unlike some.[/p][/quote]...and another one trying to push his 'discrimination' agenda in a really sad story that has nothing to do with race. The second one today. For gods sake Echo when are you going to start doing something these nasty, ignorant, spiteful posters! Baysider
  • Score: -79

9:52am Tue 24 Jun 14

GarrySibbald says...

Baysider wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way.

These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a.

Unlike some.
...and another one trying to push his 'discrimination' agenda in a really sad story that has nothing to do with race. The second one today. For gods sake Echo when are you going to start doing something these nasty, ignorant, spiteful posters!
If you take out the "English born and bred" the post It would not be discriminative and I would agree entirely!
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way. These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a. Unlike some.[/p][/quote]...and another one trying to push his 'discrimination' agenda in a really sad story that has nothing to do with race. The second one today. For gods sake Echo when are you going to start doing something these nasty, ignorant, spiteful posters![/p][/quote]If you take out the "English born and bred" the post It would not be discriminative and I would agree entirely! GarrySibbald
  • Score: 1

10:00am Tue 24 Jun 14

Marcus James says...

MrPitiful wrote:
The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way.

These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a.

Unlike some.
Its a shame that your ignorance turns this into a race or immigration issue

This is not about Immigration!

It is about some idiot at the council not using common sense or intelligence to make a very simple decision to allow siblings to attend the same school.

The situation is made worse as this family are struggling with personal issues as well, but no family should have to go through this regardless
[quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way. These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a. Unlike some.[/p][/quote]Its a shame that your ignorance turns this into a race or immigration issue This is not about Immigration! It is about some idiot at the council not using common sense or intelligence to make a very simple decision to allow siblings to attend the same school. The situation is made worse as this family are struggling with personal issues as well, but no family should have to go through this regardless Marcus James
  • Score: 16

10:03am Tue 24 Jun 14

Bilbo2 says...

Mudeford must be the nearest school if the family live at Friars Cliff, so this must be their catchment area. In which case why are they not given priority.
When children started school,it was always rule of thumb that they should attend the local school with the least amount of major roads to cross, this obviously is not the case here.
Take your claim as high as possible, if need be write to David Cameron and see if he can help.
We wish you all the best and hope you are able to sort this problem.
Mudeford must be the nearest school if the family live at Friars Cliff, so this must be their catchment area. In which case why are they not given priority. When children started school,it was always rule of thumb that they should attend the local school with the least amount of major roads to cross, this obviously is not the case here. Take your claim as high as possible, if need be write to David Cameron and see if he can help. We wish you all the best and hope you are able to sort this problem. Bilbo2
  • Score: 29

10:16am Tue 24 Jun 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Hopefully this article will stir some good samaritan with an only child who can give up their placement to solve this problem, if not then the only other option is to take the older boy out of that school, so that both brothers can go to another school together. It is a real shame that it has even gone this far and that someone with a little bit of common sense and decency about them has not resolved this issue from the outstart.
Hopefully this article will stir some good samaritan with an only child who can give up their placement to solve this problem, if not then the only other option is to take the older boy out of that school, so that both brothers can go to another school together. It is a real shame that it has even gone this far and that someone with a little bit of common sense and decency about them has not resolved this issue from the outstart. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 18

10:17am Tue 24 Jun 14

keith milton says...

the government get a kick out of making peoples lives as miserable and difficult as possible,

we have a government and establishment of sycophantic demons who were born without the empathy gene.
the government get a kick out of making peoples lives as miserable and difficult as possible, we have a government and establishment of sycophantic demons who were born without the empathy gene. keith milton
  • Score: 1

10:52am Tue 24 Jun 14

Dons04 says...

Surely our schools are supposed to be a nurturing environment for young children, in this case it is clear that the boys should be kept together. Does the board not consider applications individual needs or is there a computer that says "no" and that's it? If the older sibling was to leave and attend a different school surely this would be detrimental to his wellbeing having had two years to become established in the school and built up solid friendships.
It is obvious that the boys need stability and ongoing support, where is the compassion?
Surely our schools are supposed to be a nurturing environment for young children, in this case it is clear that the boys should be kept together. Does the board not consider applications individual needs or is there a computer that says "no" and that's it? If the older sibling was to leave and attend a different school surely this would be detrimental to his wellbeing having had two years to become established in the school and built up solid friendships. It is obvious that the boys need stability and ongoing support, where is the compassion? Dons04
  • Score: 15

11:19am Tue 24 Jun 14

Trifecta says...

A shocking story but there are one or two details that do not add up. George is currently a pupil at Mudeford Infants and the LEA are going to move him?

"George will not be able to join Charlie, nine, at Mudeford Infants due to a lack of places. George is currently a pupil at Mudeford Infants,"

They have also failed at appeal again, perhaps a successful parent may offer their child's place, upon seeing this story?
A shocking story but there are one or two details that do not add up. George is currently a pupil at Mudeford Infants and the LEA are going to move him? "George will not be able to join Charlie, nine, at Mudeford Infants due to a lack of places. George is currently a pupil at Mudeford Infants," They have also failed at appeal again, perhaps a successful parent may offer their child's place, upon seeing this story? Trifecta
  • Score: 1

11:26am Tue 24 Jun 14

MrEdge says...

Can they ask other parents if one of them might be able to give up their place? Places are limited in schools for many reasons, and I imagine the specifics of each case were not considered when placing students initially.

I know it's hard to believe, but if a school takes more students than they are allowed to, things like insurance could be invalid putting the school at risk.
Can they ask other parents if one of them might be able to give up their place? Places are limited in schools for many reasons, and I imagine the specifics of each case were not considered when placing students initially. I know it's hard to believe, but if a school takes more students than they are allowed to, things like insurance could be invalid putting the school at risk. MrEdge
  • Score: 1

11:27am Tue 24 Jun 14

wurmwhole says...

keith milton wrote:
research bicarbonate of soda/maple syrup mixture,

or cannabis oil by rick simpson.
Hemp oil is has been known to have tumor reducing properties a clinic in spain ( I dont know details) has been working on this a fair while, bicarb/m,syrup well worth a look into ..... why have five kn ob heads thumbed down keiths comment,just ignorant of a few facts I suppose.
[quote][p][bold]keith milton[/bold] wrote: research bicarbonate of soda/maple syrup mixture, or cannabis oil by rick simpson.[/p][/quote]Hemp oil is has been known to have tumor reducing properties a clinic in spain ( I dont know details) has been working on this a fair while, bicarb/m,syrup well worth a look into ..... why have five kn ob heads thumbed down keiths comment,just ignorant of a few facts I suppose. wurmwhole
  • Score: -22

11:48am Tue 24 Jun 14

steelpaul says...

MrEdge wrote:
Can they ask other parents if one of them might be able to give up their place? Places are limited in schools for many reasons, and I imagine the specifics of each case were not considered when placing students initially.

I know it's hard to believe, but if a school takes more students than they are allowed to, things like insurance could be invalid putting the school at risk.
Not only this but the quality of the childs education will suffer.

My son has just turned 3 and weve just started looking at the critera of schools he is able to attend, the nearest one is a mile away but as we live 300 yards into Poole, he cannot go to it and must apply for schools in Poole that are a minimum of 3 miles away, the system is crazy with the main problem being that there are not enough schools to cope with the demand of the modern era.

I do hope that they see common sense and find a way to get both boys in the same school, even if their mother didnt have terminal cancer, they should have been placed in the same school, how exactly do the decision makers expect a parent to get two children to two different schools on time!?!?
[quote][p][bold]MrEdge[/bold] wrote: Can they ask other parents if one of them might be able to give up their place? Places are limited in schools for many reasons, and I imagine the specifics of each case were not considered when placing students initially. I know it's hard to believe, but if a school takes more students than they are allowed to, things like insurance could be invalid putting the school at risk.[/p][/quote]Not only this but the quality of the childs education will suffer. My son has just turned 3 and weve just started looking at the critera of schools he is able to attend, the nearest one is a mile away but as we live 300 yards into Poole, he cannot go to it and must apply for schools in Poole that are a minimum of 3 miles away, the system is crazy with the main problem being that there are not enough schools to cope with the demand of the modern era. I do hope that they see common sense and find a way to get both boys in the same school, even if their mother didnt have terminal cancer, they should have been placed in the same school, how exactly do the decision makers expect a parent to get two children to two different schools on time!?!? steelpaul
  • Score: 10

12:30pm Tue 24 Jun 14

stevobath says...

keith milton wrote:
research bicarbonate of soda/maple syrup mixture,

or cannabis oil by rick simpson.
No Keith. That's far too radical & the Pharma companies wouldn't be able to charge £100,000's for cancer drugs that often cause as much illness than they are meant to cure.

No. The powers that be have done an astounding job on demonising an astonishingly useful plant , that' cheap to cultivate (its literally a weed!) & has lots of medicinal & commercial uses.

Hope the lady has some joy with the school.
[quote][p][bold]keith milton[/bold] wrote: research bicarbonate of soda/maple syrup mixture, or cannabis oil by rick simpson.[/p][/quote]No Keith. That's far too radical & the Pharma companies wouldn't be able to charge £100,000's for cancer drugs that often cause as much illness than they are meant to cure. No. The powers that be have done an astounding job on demonising an astonishingly useful plant , that' cheap to cultivate (its literally a weed!) & has lots of medicinal & commercial uses. Hope the lady has some joy with the school. stevobath
  • Score: 2

12:34pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Dorset Logic says...

Baysider wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way.

These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a.

Unlike some.
...and another one trying to push his 'discrimination' agenda in a really sad story that has nothing to do with race. The second one today. For gods sake Echo when are you going to start doing something these nasty, ignorant, spiteful posters!
agree with that, nothing to do with race, and like you I hope the council see sense.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way. These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a. Unlike some.[/p][/quote]...and another one trying to push his 'discrimination' agenda in a really sad story that has nothing to do with race. The second one today. For gods sake Echo when are you going to start doing something these nasty, ignorant, spiteful posters![/p][/quote]agree with that, nothing to do with race, and like you I hope the council see sense. Dorset Logic
  • Score: 1

12:56pm Tue 24 Jun 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

Baysider wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way.

These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a.

Unlike some.
...and another one trying to push his 'discrimination' agenda in a really sad story that has nothing to do with race. The second one today. For gods sake Echo when are you going to start doing something these nasty, ignorant, spiteful posters!
I would also be nice if the council did something about their nasty, ignorant, spiteful Jobsworths as well!
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way. These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a. Unlike some.[/p][/quote]...and another one trying to push his 'discrimination' agenda in a really sad story that has nothing to do with race. The second one today. For gods sake Echo when are you going to start doing something these nasty, ignorant, spiteful posters![/p][/quote]I would also be nice if the council did something about their nasty, ignorant, spiteful Jobsworths as well! fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 8

1:30pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Teddy 1 says...

steelpaul wrote:
MrEdge wrote:
Can they ask other parents if one of them might be able to give up their place? Places are limited in schools for many reasons, and I imagine the specifics of each case were not considered when placing students initially.

I know it's hard to believe, but if a school takes more students than they are allowed to, things like insurance could be invalid putting the school at risk.
Not only this but the quality of the childs education will suffer.

My son has just turned 3 and weve just started looking at the critera of schools he is able to attend, the nearest one is a mile away but as we live 300 yards into Poole, he cannot go to it and must apply for schools in Poole that are a minimum of 3 miles away, the system is crazy with the main problem being that there are not enough schools to cope with the demand of the modern era.

I do hope that they see common sense and find a way to get both boys in the same school, even if their mother didnt have terminal cancer, they should have been placed in the same school, how exactly do the decision makers expect a parent to get two children to two different schools on time!?!?
It is only going tomget worse with academies beingnablemto select their own catchment criteria as well as teachere pay.
[quote][p][bold]steelpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrEdge[/bold] wrote: Can they ask other parents if one of them might be able to give up their place? Places are limited in schools for many reasons, and I imagine the specifics of each case were not considered when placing students initially. I know it's hard to believe, but if a school takes more students than they are allowed to, things like insurance could be invalid putting the school at risk.[/p][/quote]Not only this but the quality of the childs education will suffer. My son has just turned 3 and weve just started looking at the critera of schools he is able to attend, the nearest one is a mile away but as we live 300 yards into Poole, he cannot go to it and must apply for schools in Poole that are a minimum of 3 miles away, the system is crazy with the main problem being that there are not enough schools to cope with the demand of the modern era. I do hope that they see common sense and find a way to get both boys in the same school, even if their mother didnt have terminal cancer, they should have been placed in the same school, how exactly do the decision makers expect a parent to get two children to two different schools on time!?!?[/p][/quote]It is only going tomget worse with academies beingnablemto select their own catchment criteria as well as teachere pay. Teddy 1
  • Score: 1

2:23pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Teddy 1 says...

It is only going to get worse with academies being able to select their own catchment criteria as well as teachers pay.
It is only going to get worse with academies being able to select their own catchment criteria as well as teachers pay. Teddy 1
  • Score: 4

2:31pm Tue 24 Jun 14

BarrHumbug says...

stevobath wrote:
keith milton wrote:
research bicarbonate of soda/maple syrup mixture,

or cannabis oil by rick simpson.
No Keith. That's far too radical & the Pharma companies wouldn't be able to charge £100,000's for cancer drugs that often cause as much illness than they are meant to cure.

No. The powers that be have done an astounding job on demonising an astonishingly useful plant , that' cheap to cultivate (its literally a weed!) & has lots of medicinal & commercial uses.

Hope the lady has some joy with the school.
Its also worth looking into the benefits of vitamin D
[quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keith milton[/bold] wrote: research bicarbonate of soda/maple syrup mixture, or cannabis oil by rick simpson.[/p][/quote]No Keith. That's far too radical & the Pharma companies wouldn't be able to charge £100,000's for cancer drugs that often cause as much illness than they are meant to cure. No. The powers that be have done an astounding job on demonising an astonishingly useful plant , that' cheap to cultivate (its literally a weed!) & has lots of medicinal & commercial uses. Hope the lady has some joy with the school.[/p][/quote]Its also worth looking into the benefits of vitamin D BarrHumbug
  • Score: 7

2:43pm Tue 24 Jun 14

boardsandphotos says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
stevobath wrote:
keith milton wrote:
research bicarbonate of soda/maple syrup mixture,

or cannabis oil by rick simpson.
No Keith. That's far too radical & the Pharma companies wouldn't be able to charge £100,000's for cancer drugs that often cause as much illness than they are meant to cure.

No. The powers that be have done an astounding job on demonising an astonishingly useful plant , that' cheap to cultivate (its literally a weed!) & has lots of medicinal & commercial uses.

Hope the lady has some joy with the school.
Its also worth looking into the benefits of vitamin D
Brilliant!
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keith milton[/bold] wrote: research bicarbonate of soda/maple syrup mixture, or cannabis oil by rick simpson.[/p][/quote]No Keith. That's far too radical & the Pharma companies wouldn't be able to charge £100,000's for cancer drugs that often cause as much illness than they are meant to cure. No. The powers that be have done an astounding job on demonising an astonishingly useful plant , that' cheap to cultivate (its literally a weed!) & has lots of medicinal & commercial uses. Hope the lady has some joy with the school.[/p][/quote]Its also worth looking into the benefits of vitamin D[/p][/quote]Brilliant! boardsandphotos
  • Score: 1

3:22pm Tue 24 Jun 14

joetheman says...

Baysider wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way.

These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a.

Unlike some.
...and another one trying to push his 'discrimination' agenda in a really sad story that has nothing to do with race. The second one today. For gods sake Echo when are you going to start doing something these nasty, ignorant, spiteful posters!
have had some nasty posts myself from baysider, for goodness sake echo when are you going to suspend this nasty twisted everything in their eyes is racist,has not even got the guts to post under his/hers real name, getting back to real story as sad as it is, the logical thing to do would be to place both children at somerford school .
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way. These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a. Unlike some.[/p][/quote]...and another one trying to push his 'discrimination' agenda in a really sad story that has nothing to do with race. The second one today. For gods sake Echo when are you going to start doing something these nasty, ignorant, spiteful posters![/p][/quote]have had some nasty posts myself from baysider, for goodness sake echo when are you going to suspend this nasty twisted everything in their eyes is racist,has not even got the guts to post under his/hers real name, getting back to real story as sad as it is, the logical thing to do would be to place both children at somerford school . joetheman
  • Score: -2

3:47pm Tue 24 Jun 14

christchurch86 says...

This is absolutely awful. Michelle already has limited time left with her 2 young sons, the last thing she needs is to have this worry AGAIN . Time is precious. George was finally given his place at mudeford infants when the council had no choice but to admit these were 'exceptional circumstances' and for that reason a place could be offered. Why cant they see that this again is an exceptional circumstance?! I feel so sorry for the family, this just shows what a cruel and unjust world we live in. If this were a council member in this position i wonder if they would be put in this horrendous position?
This is absolutely awful. Michelle already has limited time left with her 2 young sons, the last thing she needs is to have this worry AGAIN . Time is precious. George was finally given his place at mudeford infants when the council had no choice but to admit these were 'exceptional circumstances' and for that reason a place could be offered. Why cant they see that this again is an exceptional circumstance?! I feel so sorry for the family, this just shows what a cruel and unjust world we live in. If this were a council member in this position i wonder if they would be put in this horrendous position? christchurch86
  • Score: 4

4:26pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Baysider says...

joetheman wrote:
Baysider wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way.

These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a.

Unlike some.
...and another one trying to push his 'discrimination' agenda in a really sad story that has nothing to do with race. The second one today. For gods sake Echo when are you going to start doing something these nasty, ignorant, spiteful posters!
have had some nasty posts myself from baysider, for goodness sake echo when are you going to suspend this nasty twisted everything in their eyes is racist,has not even got the guts to post under his/hers real name, getting back to real story as sad as it is, the logical thing to do would be to place both children at somerford school .
Given the sensitivity of the story I'll leave my response to you for another day except to say that, whatever the rights and wrongs of the decision making process, there is not a chance that this couples race is a factor either way despite suggestions made further up the thread. I hope it gets sorted out to everyone's satisfaction asap.
[quote][p][bold]joetheman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way. These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a. Unlike some.[/p][/quote]...and another one trying to push his 'discrimination' agenda in a really sad story that has nothing to do with race. The second one today. For gods sake Echo when are you going to start doing something these nasty, ignorant, spiteful posters![/p][/quote]have had some nasty posts myself from baysider, for goodness sake echo when are you going to suspend this nasty twisted everything in their eyes is racist,has not even got the guts to post under his/hers real name, getting back to real story as sad as it is, the logical thing to do would be to place both children at somerford school .[/p][/quote]Given the sensitivity of the story I'll leave my response to you for another day except to say that, whatever the rights and wrongs of the decision making process, there is not a chance that this couples race is a factor either way despite suggestions made further up the thread. I hope it gets sorted out to everyone's satisfaction asap. Baysider
  • Score: -3

4:38pm Tue 24 Jun 14

joetheman says...

Baysider wrote:
joetheman wrote:
Baysider wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way.

These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a.

Unlike some.
...and another one trying to push his 'discrimination' agenda in a really sad story that has nothing to do with race. The second one today. For gods sake Echo when are you going to start doing something these nasty, ignorant, spiteful posters!
have had some nasty posts myself from baysider, for goodness sake echo when are you going to suspend this nasty twisted everything in their eyes is racist,has not even got the guts to post under his/hers real name, getting back to real story as sad as it is, the logical thing to do would be to place both children at somerford school .
Given the sensitivity of the story I'll leave my response to you for another day except to say that, whatever the rights and wrongs of the decision making process, there is not a chance that this couples race is a factor either way despite suggestions made further up the thread. I hope it gets sorted out to everyone's satisfaction asap.
should not take a couple of days to respond and post your normal rubbish,sensitivity is not your normal response,quite honestly i wont wait or bother to read your post. in fact due to the rubbish reporting and idiot posters like you i will return to my normal read (the beano} ]
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joetheman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way. These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a. Unlike some.[/p][/quote]...and another one trying to push his 'discrimination' agenda in a really sad story that has nothing to do with race. The second one today. For gods sake Echo when are you going to start doing something these nasty, ignorant, spiteful posters![/p][/quote]have had some nasty posts myself from baysider, for goodness sake echo when are you going to suspend this nasty twisted everything in their eyes is racist,has not even got the guts to post under his/hers real name, getting back to real story as sad as it is, the logical thing to do would be to place both children at somerford school .[/p][/quote]Given the sensitivity of the story I'll leave my response to you for another day except to say that, whatever the rights and wrongs of the decision making process, there is not a chance that this couples race is a factor either way despite suggestions made further up the thread. I hope it gets sorted out to everyone's satisfaction asap.[/p][/quote]should not take a couple of days to respond and post your normal rubbish,sensitivity is not your normal response,quite honestly i wont wait or bother to read your post. in fact due to the rubbish reporting and idiot posters like you i will return to my normal read (the beano} ] joetheman
  • Score: 3

4:40pm Tue 24 Jun 14

pauls55 says...

“We are trying to support the family in any way we can following this decision.” Well how about by showing some humanity and common decency by reversing your decision with an unreserved apology.
“We are trying to support the family in any way we can following this decision.” Well how about by showing some humanity and common decency by reversing your decision with an unreserved apology. pauls55
  • Score: 7

4:53pm Tue 24 Jun 14

afcb-mark says...

Two words for each and everyone of the self indulgent p-rats on the appeals panel . Callous and Heartless. Shame on each and every one of you.
Two words for each and everyone of the self indulgent p-rats on the appeals panel . Callous and Heartless. Shame on each and every one of you. afcb-mark
  • Score: 5

4:59pm Tue 24 Jun 14

breamoreboy says...

joetheman wrote:
Baysider wrote:
joetheman wrote:
Baysider wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way.

These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a.

Unlike some.
...and another one trying to push his 'discrimination' agenda in a really sad story that has nothing to do with race. The second one today. For gods sake Echo when are you going to start doing something these nasty, ignorant, spiteful posters!
have had some nasty posts myself from baysider, for goodness sake echo when are you going to suspend this nasty twisted everything in their eyes is racist,has not even got the guts to post under his/hers real name, getting back to real story as sad as it is, the logical thing to do would be to place both children at somerford school .
Given the sensitivity of the story I'll leave my response to you for another day except to say that, whatever the rights and wrongs of the decision making process, there is not a chance that this couples race is a factor either way despite suggestions made further up the thread. I hope it gets sorted out to everyone's satisfaction asap.
should not take a couple of days to respond and post your normal rubbish,sensitivity is not your normal response,quite honestly i wont wait or bother to read your post. in fact due to the rubbish reporting and idiot posters like you i will return to my normal read (the beano} ]
Good riddance to very bad rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]joetheman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joetheman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way. These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a. Unlike some.[/p][/quote]...and another one trying to push his 'discrimination' agenda in a really sad story that has nothing to do with race. The second one today. For gods sake Echo when are you going to start doing something these nasty, ignorant, spiteful posters![/p][/quote]have had some nasty posts myself from baysider, for goodness sake echo when are you going to suspend this nasty twisted everything in their eyes is racist,has not even got the guts to post under his/hers real name, getting back to real story as sad as it is, the logical thing to do would be to place both children at somerford school .[/p][/quote]Given the sensitivity of the story I'll leave my response to you for another day except to say that, whatever the rights and wrongs of the decision making process, there is not a chance that this couples race is a factor either way despite suggestions made further up the thread. I hope it gets sorted out to everyone's satisfaction asap.[/p][/quote]should not take a couple of days to respond and post your normal rubbish,sensitivity is not your normal response,quite honestly i wont wait or bother to read your post. in fact due to the rubbish reporting and idiot posters like you i will return to my normal read (the beano} ][/p][/quote]Good riddance to very bad rubbish. breamoreboy
  • Score: -4

6:09pm Tue 24 Jun 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Your telling this story to the wrong people .go to the papers or sky news no one responds to this forum see them move when they send a proper journalist .No disrespect to the Echo but you couldn't run a bath much less a campaign on behalf of local people that feel they are victims of petty officials .I bet you win .remember they oil the squeeking wheel to keep it quiet
Your telling this story to the wrong people .go to the papers or sky news no one responds to this forum see them move when they send a proper journalist .No disrespect to the Echo but you couldn't run a bath much less a campaign on behalf of local people that feel they are victims of petty officials .I bet you win .remember they oil the squeeking wheel to keep it quiet kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 5

10:20pm Tue 24 Jun 14

joetheman says...

breamoreboy wrote:
joetheman wrote:
Baysider wrote:
joetheman wrote:
Baysider wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way.

These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a.

Unlike some.
...and another one trying to push his 'discrimination' agenda in a really sad story that has nothing to do with race. The second one today. For gods sake Echo when are you going to start doing something these nasty, ignorant, spiteful posters!
have had some nasty posts myself from baysider, for goodness sake echo when are you going to suspend this nasty twisted everything in their eyes is racist,has not even got the guts to post under his/hers real name, getting back to real story as sad as it is, the logical thing to do would be to place both children at somerford school .
Given the sensitivity of the story I'll leave my response to you for another day except to say that, whatever the rights and wrongs of the decision making process, there is not a chance that this couples race is a factor either way despite suggestions made further up the thread. I hope it gets sorted out to everyone's satisfaction asap.
should not take a couple of days to respond and post your normal rubbish,sensitivity is not your normal response,quite honestly i wont wait or bother to read your post. in fact due to the rubbish reporting and idiot posters like you i will return to my normal read (the beano} ]
Good riddance to very bad rubbish.
brilliant just shows what a moron you are,
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joetheman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joetheman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way. These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a. Unlike some.[/p][/quote]...and another one trying to push his 'discrimination' agenda in a really sad story that has nothing to do with race. The second one today. For gods sake Echo when are you going to start doing something these nasty, ignorant, spiteful posters![/p][/quote]have had some nasty posts myself from baysider, for goodness sake echo when are you going to suspend this nasty twisted everything in their eyes is racist,has not even got the guts to post under his/hers real name, getting back to real story as sad as it is, the logical thing to do would be to place both children at somerford school .[/p][/quote]Given the sensitivity of the story I'll leave my response to you for another day except to say that, whatever the rights and wrongs of the decision making process, there is not a chance that this couples race is a factor either way despite suggestions made further up the thread. I hope it gets sorted out to everyone's satisfaction asap.[/p][/quote]should not take a couple of days to respond and post your normal rubbish,sensitivity is not your normal response,quite honestly i wont wait or bother to read your post. in fact due to the rubbish reporting and idiot posters like you i will return to my normal read (the beano} ][/p][/quote]Good riddance to very bad rubbish.[/p][/quote]brilliant just shows what a moron you are, joetheman
  • Score: 2

10:48pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Yankee1 says...

The problem is not the lack of a place...it is why other schools are not perceived as good as Mudeford.

Do they live in the catchment area? If not, a child who does could be denied by their claim. That is life.
The problem is not the lack of a place...it is why other schools are not perceived as good as Mudeford. Do they live in the catchment area? If not, a child who does could be denied by their claim. That is life. Yankee1
  • Score: -1

11:38pm Tue 24 Jun 14

stevobath says...

How about she takes them out of school & home schools them?

At least the poor lady wouldn't have to deal with petty officialdom & the
lack of sense & empathy.
How about she takes them out of school & home schools them? At least the poor lady wouldn't have to deal with petty officialdom & the lack of sense & empathy. stevobath
  • Score: -5

2:41am Wed 25 Jun 14

MrPitiful says...

Marcus James wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way.

These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a.

Unlike some.
Its a shame that your ignorance turns this into a race or immigration issue

This is not about Immigration!

It is about some idiot at the council not using common sense or intelligence to make a very simple decision to allow siblings to attend the same school.

The situation is made worse as this family are struggling with personal issues as well, but no family should have to go through this regardless
My comments are in no way turning this into a race or immigration issue - and by not reading them and understanding the context, I think if any ignorance has been shown, it certainly isn't on my part.

The issue here is the powers that be - and yes mainly those in the local council departments such as education, housing etc. all seem to abide by the letter of their rules and regs when it suits them yet in certain cases there are certain sectors of society who seem to "get away with it" or indeed get what they want.

Without wanting to divert attention from the poor family's plight in this story, I would give another example - travellers camping on the cliff by the BIC last week. Did any of them get fined or punished in any other way? No. Why not? - because they are travellers. We can't even call them by one of their many, basic and original names on this very website for fear of being labelled "racist".

Now if I park my van in the same spot this weekend, as a Born and bred Englishman who works and pays my way, what will happen to me?
What a load of tosh.

The same principle lies here. If this poor lady were an ethnic minority, I wonder if every person involved in the authorities in the local council education department could put their hands on their hearts and say she would be treated in exactly the same way. I don't think they could and more importantly, I don't think she would be.

And if that is deemed by some to me being racist, then so be it and I make no apology. This discrimination runs through a lot of our service providers - housing, benefits, health, education. It's not about race or immigration but more about equality.

It would be interesting if the education department published all the facts, figures and statistics of all the cases whereby parents have won appeals for school places over the last few years - including the reason for the appeal in the first place, the result and ultimately, how many children were placed into "overcrowded" schools as a result of the appeal process.

There will be many excuses banded about as to why the 2 children concerned can't go to the same school - insurance, overcrowding, quality of education will suffer etc but in reality none of these will be affected if somebody at the council showed some common sense and had the bottle to actually make a decision.
[quote][p][bold]Marcus James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way. These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a. Unlike some.[/p][/quote]Its a shame that your ignorance turns this into a race or immigration issue This is not about Immigration! It is about some idiot at the council not using common sense or intelligence to make a very simple decision to allow siblings to attend the same school. The situation is made worse as this family are struggling with personal issues as well, but no family should have to go through this regardless[/p][/quote]My comments are in no way turning this into a race or immigration issue - and by not reading them and understanding the context, I think if any ignorance has been shown, it certainly isn't on my part. The issue here is the powers that be - and yes mainly those in the local council departments such as education, housing etc. all seem to abide by the letter of their rules and regs when it suits them yet in certain cases there are certain sectors of society who seem to "get away with it" or indeed get what they want. Without wanting to divert attention from the poor family's plight in this story, I would give another example - travellers camping on the cliff by the BIC last week. Did any of them get fined or punished in any other way? No. Why not? - because they are travellers. We can't even call them by one of their many, basic and original names on this very website for fear of being labelled "racist". Now if I park my van in the same spot this weekend, as a Born and bred Englishman who works and pays my way, what will happen to me? What a load of tosh. The same principle lies here. If this poor lady were an ethnic minority, I wonder if every person involved in the authorities in the local council education department could put their hands on their hearts and say she would be treated in exactly the same way. I don't think they could and more importantly, I don't think she would be. And if that is deemed by some to me being racist, then so be it and I make no apology. This discrimination runs through a lot of our service providers - housing, benefits, health, education. It's not about race or immigration but more about equality. It would be interesting if the education department published all the facts, figures and statistics of all the cases whereby parents have won appeals for school places over the last few years - including the reason for the appeal in the first place, the result and ultimately, how many children were placed into "overcrowded" schools as a result of the appeal process. There will be many excuses banded about as to why the 2 children concerned can't go to the same school - insurance, overcrowding, quality of education will suffer etc but in reality none of these will be affected if somebody at the council showed some common sense and had the bottle to actually make a decision. MrPitiful
  • Score: 0

7:21am Wed 25 Jun 14

Baysider says...

MrPitiful wrote:
Marcus James wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way.

These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a.

Unlike some.
Its a shame that your ignorance turns this into a race or immigration issue

This is not about Immigration!

It is about some idiot at the council not using common sense or intelligence to make a very simple decision to allow siblings to attend the same school.

The situation is made worse as this family are struggling with personal issues as well, but no family should have to go through this regardless
My comments are in no way turning this into a race or immigration issue - and by not reading them and understanding the context, I think if any ignorance has been shown, it certainly isn't on my part.

The issue here is the powers that be - and yes mainly those in the local council departments such as education, housing etc. all seem to abide by the letter of their rules and regs when it suits them yet in certain cases there are certain sectors of society who seem to "get away with it" or indeed get what they want.

Without wanting to divert attention from the poor family's plight in this story, I would give another example - travellers camping on the cliff by the BIC last week. Did any of them get fined or punished in any other way? No. Why not? - because they are travellers. We can't even call them by one of their many, basic and original names on this very website for fear of being labelled "racist".

Now if I park my van in the same spot this weekend, as a Born and bred Englishman who works and pays my way, what will happen to me?
What a load of tosh.

The same principle lies here. If this poor lady were an ethnic minority, I wonder if every person involved in the authorities in the local council education department could put their hands on their hearts and say she would be treated in exactly the same way. I don't think they could and more importantly, I don't think she would be.

And if that is deemed by some to me being racist, then so be it and I make no apology. This discrimination runs through a lot of our service providers - housing, benefits, health, education. It's not about race or immigration but more about equality.

It would be interesting if the education department published all the facts, figures and statistics of all the cases whereby parents have won appeals for school places over the last few years - including the reason for the appeal in the first place, the result and ultimately, how many children were placed into "overcrowded" schools as a result of the appeal process.

There will be many excuses banded about as to why the 2 children concerned can't go to the same school - insurance, overcrowding, quality of education will suffer etc but in reality none of these will be affected if somebody at the council showed some common sense and had the bottle to actually make a decision.
Fail. You are perfectly entitled to question the process for school place but what you said originally and have repeated again is that this couple are being treated like this only because they are white and British...sorry English. Utter rubbish and insulting and unhelpful to those actually trying to deal with these issues in a grown up way. Then you're complaining about not being able to call others by offensive names. Then you're alleging everyone involved across all local authority services is prejudicial against white people and on and on. Grow up and get over yourself. This is a difficult, sensitive problem that doesn't need ignorant opinions like yours perpetuating myths and untruths just so you feel better about your own prejudices.
[quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marcus James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way. These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a. Unlike some.[/p][/quote]Its a shame that your ignorance turns this into a race or immigration issue This is not about Immigration! It is about some idiot at the council not using common sense or intelligence to make a very simple decision to allow siblings to attend the same school. The situation is made worse as this family are struggling with personal issues as well, but no family should have to go through this regardless[/p][/quote]My comments are in no way turning this into a race or immigration issue - and by not reading them and understanding the context, I think if any ignorance has been shown, it certainly isn't on my part. The issue here is the powers that be - and yes mainly those in the local council departments such as education, housing etc. all seem to abide by the letter of their rules and regs when it suits them yet in certain cases there are certain sectors of society who seem to "get away with it" or indeed get what they want. Without wanting to divert attention from the poor family's plight in this story, I would give another example - travellers camping on the cliff by the BIC last week. Did any of them get fined or punished in any other way? No. Why not? - because they are travellers. We can't even call them by one of their many, basic and original names on this very website for fear of being labelled "racist". Now if I park my van in the same spot this weekend, as a Born and bred Englishman who works and pays my way, what will happen to me? What a load of tosh. The same principle lies here. If this poor lady were an ethnic minority, I wonder if every person involved in the authorities in the local council education department could put their hands on their hearts and say she would be treated in exactly the same way. I don't think they could and more importantly, I don't think she would be. And if that is deemed by some to me being racist, then so be it and I make no apology. This discrimination runs through a lot of our service providers - housing, benefits, health, education. It's not about race or immigration but more about equality. It would be interesting if the education department published all the facts, figures and statistics of all the cases whereby parents have won appeals for school places over the last few years - including the reason for the appeal in the first place, the result and ultimately, how many children were placed into "overcrowded" schools as a result of the appeal process. There will be many excuses banded about as to why the 2 children concerned can't go to the same school - insurance, overcrowding, quality of education will suffer etc but in reality none of these will be affected if somebody at the council showed some common sense and had the bottle to actually make a decision.[/p][/quote]Fail. You are perfectly entitled to question the process for school place but what you said originally and have repeated again is that this couple are being treated like this only because they are white and British...sorry English. Utter rubbish and insulting and unhelpful to those actually trying to deal with these issues in a grown up way. Then you're complaining about not being able to call others by offensive names. Then you're alleging everyone involved across all local authority services is prejudicial against white people and on and on. Grow up and get over yourself. This is a difficult, sensitive problem that doesn't need ignorant opinions like yours perpetuating myths and untruths just so you feel better about your own prejudices. Baysider
  • Score: 0

10:32am Wed 25 Jun 14

MrPitiful says...

Baysider wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
Marcus James wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way.

These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a.

Unlike some.
Its a shame that your ignorance turns this into a race or immigration issue

This is not about Immigration!

It is about some idiot at the council not using common sense or intelligence to make a very simple decision to allow siblings to attend the same school.

The situation is made worse as this family are struggling with personal issues as well, but no family should have to go through this regardless
My comments are in no way turning this into a race or immigration issue - and by not reading them and understanding the context, I think if any ignorance has been shown, it certainly isn't on my part.

The issue here is the powers that be - and yes mainly those in the local council departments such as education, housing etc. all seem to abide by the letter of their rules and regs when it suits them yet in certain cases there are certain sectors of society who seem to "get away with it" or indeed get what they want.

Without wanting to divert attention from the poor family's plight in this story, I would give another example - travellers camping on the cliff by the BIC last week. Did any of them get fined or punished in any other way? No. Why not? - because they are travellers. We can't even call them by one of their many, basic and original names on this very website for fear of being labelled "racist".

Now if I park my van in the same spot this weekend, as a Born and bred Englishman who works and pays my way, what will happen to me?
What a load of tosh.

The same principle lies here. If this poor lady were an ethnic minority, I wonder if every person involved in the authorities in the local council education department could put their hands on their hearts and say she would be treated in exactly the same way. I don't think they could and more importantly, I don't think she would be.

And if that is deemed by some to me being racist, then so be it and I make no apology. This discrimination runs through a lot of our service providers - housing, benefits, health, education. It's not about race or immigration but more about equality.

It would be interesting if the education department published all the facts, figures and statistics of all the cases whereby parents have won appeals for school places over the last few years - including the reason for the appeal in the first place, the result and ultimately, how many children were placed into "overcrowded" schools as a result of the appeal process.

There will be many excuses banded about as to why the 2 children concerned can't go to the same school - insurance, overcrowding, quality of education will suffer etc but in reality none of these will be affected if somebody at the council showed some common sense and had the bottle to actually make a decision.
Fail. You are perfectly entitled to question the process for school place but what you said originally and have repeated again is that this couple are being treated like this only because they are white and British...sorry English. Utter rubbish and insulting and unhelpful to those actually trying to deal with these issues in a grown up way. Then you're complaining about not being able to call others by offensive names. Then you're alleging everyone involved across all local authority services is prejudicial against white people and on and on. Grow up and get over yourself. This is a difficult, sensitive problem that doesn't need ignorant opinions like yours perpetuating myths and untruths just so you feel better about your own prejudices.
Fail.

Let me address your points in the order you have raised:

- I am not saying the family concerned are being treated in this way because they are white and English. What I am saying - and please read my comments again - is that in this day and age there are many cases where certain sectors of society get treated in a preferential manner to others. To clarify for you - and seemingly only you - this is not a racial issue but an equality issue. As much as you may attempt to deny it and live in your utopic land where every case of need or injustice is based on its own merits, unfortunately life isn't like that. A lot of us have been on the receiving end of this so we know from experience, not by what we read in our middle class media. Most people can recognise that there are cases whereby those who shout the loudest are often the ones who get what they want. Those who are "flexible with the truth" with councils etc or scare local authorities by playing race cards etc. are also often the ones who get what they want. Law abiding citizens who play by the rules, have lived in this country all their lives and have paid their taxes for many years are often the ones who miss out. Just like the couple here.

- I am not complaining about not being able to call others by offfensive names. Far from it. However, I am unhappy that in a land of supposed free speech we are unable to use inoffensive generic terms. If you actually speak to travellers, they aren't actually offended by the - deep breath - "G-word". They are offended by slang versions of it and other derogatory terms and I don't blame them either. By the same token however, if they want to be treated respectfully and as equals, then they should act accordingly and play by societies rules. The same for all other sectors of our society.

Again, in your eyes, if that is me being racist, I make no apologies.

I think the ones who get more offended are the misguided wannabe Liberal do-gooders who are quick to jump up and accuse others of racism, abuse etc. yet have no grasp of the real world in which we live and the problems a lot of people face. Sound familiar?

- Finally, please don't try and fog the issue by saying I am accsuing all local authority services of being "prejudicial against white people". I would repeat my point for you again and state that there are cases of discrimination in some of the decisions made by the powers that be in local authorities. The travellers on the cliff top is a classic case. If you don't believe me, go and park your vehicle there for a week and see what happens. The question you should be asking yourself is why does this happen?

I think rather than jumping on folk for having a qualified opinion - albeit diferent from yours - you should get over yourself and grow up and recognise that injsutcies and bad decisions do happen and usually for reasons other than those you read in the papers.

Demands for places in local shools are limited for reasons other than what gets dropped into council press releases and sound-bites. Some would suggest there is a possibility of this happening in the instance of this poor family.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marcus James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way. These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a. Unlike some.[/p][/quote]Its a shame that your ignorance turns this into a race or immigration issue This is not about Immigration! It is about some idiot at the council not using common sense or intelligence to make a very simple decision to allow siblings to attend the same school. The situation is made worse as this family are struggling with personal issues as well, but no family should have to go through this regardless[/p][/quote]My comments are in no way turning this into a race or immigration issue - and by not reading them and understanding the context, I think if any ignorance has been shown, it certainly isn't on my part. The issue here is the powers that be - and yes mainly those in the local council departments such as education, housing etc. all seem to abide by the letter of their rules and regs when it suits them yet in certain cases there are certain sectors of society who seem to "get away with it" or indeed get what they want. Without wanting to divert attention from the poor family's plight in this story, I would give another example - travellers camping on the cliff by the BIC last week. Did any of them get fined or punished in any other way? No. Why not? - because they are travellers. We can't even call them by one of their many, basic and original names on this very website for fear of being labelled "racist". Now if I park my van in the same spot this weekend, as a Born and bred Englishman who works and pays my way, what will happen to me? What a load of tosh. The same principle lies here. If this poor lady were an ethnic minority, I wonder if every person involved in the authorities in the local council education department could put their hands on their hearts and say she would be treated in exactly the same way. I don't think they could and more importantly, I don't think she would be. And if that is deemed by some to me being racist, then so be it and I make no apology. This discrimination runs through a lot of our service providers - housing, benefits, health, education. It's not about race or immigration but more about equality. It would be interesting if the education department published all the facts, figures and statistics of all the cases whereby parents have won appeals for school places over the last few years - including the reason for the appeal in the first place, the result and ultimately, how many children were placed into "overcrowded" schools as a result of the appeal process. There will be many excuses banded about as to why the 2 children concerned can't go to the same school - insurance, overcrowding, quality of education will suffer etc but in reality none of these will be affected if somebody at the council showed some common sense and had the bottle to actually make a decision.[/p][/quote]Fail. You are perfectly entitled to question the process for school place but what you said originally and have repeated again is that this couple are being treated like this only because they are white and British...sorry English. Utter rubbish and insulting and unhelpful to those actually trying to deal with these issues in a grown up way. Then you're complaining about not being able to call others by offensive names. Then you're alleging everyone involved across all local authority services is prejudicial against white people and on and on. Grow up and get over yourself. This is a difficult, sensitive problem that doesn't need ignorant opinions like yours perpetuating myths and untruths just so you feel better about your own prejudices.[/p][/quote]Fail. Let me address your points in the order you have raised: - I am not saying the family concerned are being treated in this way because they are white and English. What I am saying - and please read my comments again - is that in this day and age there are many cases where certain sectors of society get treated in a preferential manner to others. To clarify for you - and seemingly only you - this is not a racial issue but an equality issue. As much as you may attempt to deny it and live in your utopic land where every case of need or injustice is based on its own merits, unfortunately life isn't like that. A lot of us have been on the receiving end of this so we know from experience, not by what we read in our middle class media. Most people can recognise that there are cases whereby those who shout the loudest are often the ones who get what they want. Those who are "flexible with the truth" with councils etc or scare local authorities by playing race cards etc. are also often the ones who get what they want. Law abiding citizens who play by the rules, have lived in this country all their lives and have paid their taxes for many years are often the ones who miss out. Just like the couple here. - I am not complaining about not being able to call others by offfensive names. Far from it. However, I am unhappy that in a land of supposed free speech we are unable to use inoffensive generic terms. If you actually speak to travellers, they aren't actually offended by the - deep breath - "G-word". They are offended by slang versions of it and other derogatory terms and I don't blame them either. By the same token however, if they want to be treated respectfully and as equals, then they should act accordingly and play by societies rules. The same for all other sectors of our society. Again, in your eyes, if that is me being racist, I make no apologies. I think the ones who get more offended are the misguided wannabe Liberal do-gooders who are quick to jump up and accuse others of racism, abuse etc. yet have no grasp of the real world in which we live and the problems a lot of people face. Sound familiar? - Finally, please don't try and fog the issue by saying I am accsuing all local authority services of being "prejudicial against white people". I would repeat my point for you again and state that there are cases of discrimination in some of the decisions made by the powers that be in local authorities. The travellers on the cliff top is a classic case. If you don't believe me, go and park your vehicle there for a week and see what happens. The question you should be asking yourself is why does this happen? I think rather than jumping on folk for having a qualified opinion - albeit diferent from yours - you should get over yourself and grow up and recognise that injsutcies and bad decisions do happen and usually for reasons other than those you read in the papers. Demands for places in local shools are limited for reasons other than what gets dropped into council press releases and sound-bites. Some would suggest there is a possibility of this happening in the instance of this poor family. MrPitiful
  • Score: 0

2:18pm Wed 25 Jun 14

yasinac says...

stevobath wrote:
How about she takes them out of school & home schools them?

At least the poor lady wouldn't have to deal with petty officialdom & the
lack of sense & empathy.
And how, between cancer treatments, hospital appointments and the resulting effects of these things is Mrs Amey supposed to home school her children? And don't you think that the 'normality' of school provides some respite for these brave boys?
[quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: How about she takes them out of school & home schools them? At least the poor lady wouldn't have to deal with petty officialdom & the lack of sense & empathy.[/p][/quote]And how, between cancer treatments, hospital appointments and the resulting effects of these things is Mrs Amey supposed to home school her children? And don't you think that the 'normality' of school provides some respite for these brave boys? yasinac
  • Score: -2

9:01pm Wed 25 Jun 14

FrogKiss says...

The echo reported a story a week or so ago about Christchurch and Mudeford infants feeder pupils having higher priority in sept 2015. Unfortunately a year to late for this poor family. Time for Mr Chope to intervene. They have suffered enough stress already!

Cllr Coombs added: “We've told the Schools Adjudicator we support the change for September 2015. This would mean that children who are in catchment for a junior school and attend the feeder infant school would have a higher priority than catchment children who do not have a sibling or feeder school link.”
The echo reported a story a week or so ago about Christchurch and Mudeford infants feeder pupils having higher priority in sept 2015. Unfortunately a year to late for this poor family. Time for Mr Chope to intervene. They have suffered enough stress already! Cllr Coombs added: “We've told the Schools Adjudicator we support the change for September 2015. This would mean that children who are in catchment for a junior school and attend the feeder infant school would have a higher priority than catchment children who do not have a sibling or feeder school link.” FrogKiss
  • Score: -1

5:38pm Thu 26 Jun 14

agp1337 says...

MrPitiful wrote:
Baysider wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
Marcus James wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way.

These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a.

Unlike some.
Its a shame that your ignorance turns this into a race or immigration issue

This is not about Immigration!

It is about some idiot at the council not using common sense or intelligence to make a very simple decision to allow siblings to attend the same school.

The situation is made worse as this family are struggling with personal issues as well, but no family should have to go through this regardless
My comments are in no way turning this into a race or immigration issue - and by not reading them and understanding the context, I think if any ignorance has been shown, it certainly isn't on my part.

The issue here is the powers that be - and yes mainly those in the local council departments such as education, housing etc. all seem to abide by the letter of their rules and regs when it suits them yet in certain cases there are certain sectors of society who seem to "get away with it" or indeed get what they want.

Without wanting to divert attention from the poor family's plight in this story, I would give another example - travellers camping on the cliff by the BIC last week. Did any of them get fined or punished in any other way? No. Why not? - because they are travellers. We can't even call them by one of their many, basic and original names on this very website for fear of being labelled "racist".

Now if I park my van in the same spot this weekend, as a Born and bred Englishman who works and pays my way, what will happen to me?
What a load of tosh.

The same principle lies here. If this poor lady were an ethnic minority, I wonder if every person involved in the authorities in the local council education department could put their hands on their hearts and say she would be treated in exactly the same way. I don't think they could and more importantly, I don't think she would be.

And if that is deemed by some to me being racist, then so be it and I make no apology. This discrimination runs through a lot of our service providers - housing, benefits, health, education. It's not about race or immigration but more about equality.

It would be interesting if the education department published all the facts, figures and statistics of all the cases whereby parents have won appeals for school places over the last few years - including the reason for the appeal in the first place, the result and ultimately, how many children were placed into "overcrowded" schools as a result of the appeal process.

There will be many excuses banded about as to why the 2 children concerned can't go to the same school - insurance, overcrowding, quality of education will suffer etc but in reality none of these will be affected if somebody at the council showed some common sense and had the bottle to actually make a decision.
Fail. You are perfectly entitled to question the process for school place but what you said originally and have repeated again is that this couple are being treated like this only because they are white and British...sorry English. Utter rubbish and insulting and unhelpful to those actually trying to deal with these issues in a grown up way. Then you're complaining about not being able to call others by offensive names. Then you're alleging everyone involved across all local authority services is prejudicial against white people and on and on. Grow up and get over yourself. This is a difficult, sensitive problem that doesn't need ignorant opinions like yours perpetuating myths and untruths just so you feel better about your own prejudices.
Fail.

Let me address your points in the order you have raised:

- I am not saying the family concerned are being treated in this way because they are white and English. What I am saying - and please read my comments again - is that in this day and age there are many cases where certain sectors of society get treated in a preferential manner to others. To clarify for you - and seemingly only you - this is not a racial issue but an equality issue. As much as you may attempt to deny it and live in your utopic land where every case of need or injustice is based on its own merits, unfortunately life isn't like that. A lot of us have been on the receiving end of this so we know from experience, not by what we read in our middle class media. Most people can recognise that there are cases whereby those who shout the loudest are often the ones who get what they want. Those who are "flexible with the truth" with councils etc or scare local authorities by playing race cards etc. are also often the ones who get what they want. Law abiding citizens who play by the rules, have lived in this country all their lives and have paid their taxes for many years are often the ones who miss out. Just like the couple here.

- I am not complaining about not being able to call others by offfensive names. Far from it. However, I am unhappy that in a land of supposed free speech we are unable to use inoffensive generic terms. If you actually speak to travellers, they aren't actually offended by the - deep breath - "G-word". They are offended by slang versions of it and other derogatory terms and I don't blame them either. By the same token however, if they want to be treated respectfully and as equals, then they should act accordingly and play by societies rules. The same for all other sectors of our society.

Again, in your eyes, if that is me being racist, I make no apologies.

I think the ones who get more offended are the misguided wannabe Liberal do-gooders who are quick to jump up and accuse others of racism, abuse etc. yet have no grasp of the real world in which we live and the problems a lot of people face. Sound familiar?

- Finally, please don't try and fog the issue by saying I am accsuing all local authority services of being "prejudicial against white people". I would repeat my point for you again and state that there are cases of discrimination in some of the decisions made by the powers that be in local authorities. The travellers on the cliff top is a classic case. If you don't believe me, go and park your vehicle there for a week and see what happens. The question you should be asking yourself is why does this happen?

I think rather than jumping on folk for having a qualified opinion - albeit diferent from yours - you should get over yourself and grow up and recognise that injsutcies and bad decisions do happen and usually for reasons other than those you read in the papers.

Demands for places in local shools are limited for reasons other than what gets dropped into council press releases and sound-bites. Some would suggest there is a possibility of this happening in the instance of this poor family.
Ludicrous. We're talking about a family in dire straits, not some general politicalisation about parking or race. This is a desperate issue. I hope to read good news soon.
[quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marcus James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: The problem here is this - an English born and bred family who work for a living, abide by the law and pay their way. These days, In this country, that means even in your hour of need you are entitled to sweet f.a. Unlike some.[/p][/quote]Its a shame that your ignorance turns this into a race or immigration issue This is not about Immigration! It is about some idiot at the council not using common sense or intelligence to make a very simple decision to allow siblings to attend the same school. The situation is made worse as this family are struggling with personal issues as well, but no family should have to go through this regardless[/p][/quote]My comments are in no way turning this into a race or immigration issue - and by not reading them and understanding the context, I think if any ignorance has been shown, it certainly isn't on my part. The issue here is the powers that be - and yes mainly those in the local council departments such as education, housing etc. all seem to abide by the letter of their rules and regs when it suits them yet in certain cases there are certain sectors of society who seem to "get away with it" or indeed get what they want. Without wanting to divert attention from the poor family's plight in this story, I would give another example - travellers camping on the cliff by the BIC last week. Did any of them get fined or punished in any other way? No. Why not? - because they are travellers. We can't even call them by one of their many, basic and original names on this very website for fear of being labelled "racist". Now if I park my van in the same spot this weekend, as a Born and bred Englishman who works and pays my way, what will happen to me? What a load of tosh. The same principle lies here. If this poor lady were an ethnic minority, I wonder if every person involved in the authorities in the local council education department could put their hands on their hearts and say she would be treated in exactly the same way. I don't think they could and more importantly, I don't think she would be. And if that is deemed by some to me being racist, then so be it and I make no apology. This discrimination runs through a lot of our service providers - housing, benefits, health, education. It's not about race or immigration but more about equality. It would be interesting if the education department published all the facts, figures and statistics of all the cases whereby parents have won appeals for school places over the last few years - including the reason for the appeal in the first place, the result and ultimately, how many children were placed into "overcrowded" schools as a result of the appeal process. There will be many excuses banded about as to why the 2 children concerned can't go to the same school - insurance, overcrowding, quality of education will suffer etc but in reality none of these will be affected if somebody at the council showed some common sense and had the bottle to actually make a decision.[/p][/quote]Fail. You are perfectly entitled to question the process for school place but what you said originally and have repeated again is that this couple are being treated like this only because they are white and British...sorry English. Utter rubbish and insulting and unhelpful to those actually trying to deal with these issues in a grown up way. Then you're complaining about not being able to call others by offensive names. Then you're alleging everyone involved across all local authority services is prejudicial against white people and on and on. Grow up and get over yourself. This is a difficult, sensitive problem that doesn't need ignorant opinions like yours perpetuating myths and untruths just so you feel better about your own prejudices.[/p][/quote]Fail. Let me address your points in the order you have raised: - I am not saying the family concerned are being treated in this way because they are white and English. What I am saying - and please read my comments again - is that in this day and age there are many cases where certain sectors of society get treated in a preferential manner to others. To clarify for you - and seemingly only you - this is not a racial issue but an equality issue. As much as you may attempt to deny it and live in your utopic land where every case of need or injustice is based on its own merits, unfortunately life isn't like that. A lot of us have been on the receiving end of this so we know from experience, not by what we read in our middle class media. Most people can recognise that there are cases whereby those who shout the loudest are often the ones who get what they want. Those who are "flexible with the truth" with councils etc or scare local authorities by playing race cards etc. are also often the ones who get what they want. Law abiding citizens who play by the rules, have lived in this country all their lives and have paid their taxes for many years are often the ones who miss out. Just like the couple here. - I am not complaining about not being able to call others by offfensive names. Far from it. However, I am unhappy that in a land of supposed free speech we are unable to use inoffensive generic terms. If you actually speak to travellers, they aren't actually offended by the - deep breath - "G-word". They are offended by slang versions of it and other derogatory terms and I don't blame them either. By the same token however, if they want to be treated respectfully and as equals, then they should act accordingly and play by societies rules. The same for all other sectors of our society. Again, in your eyes, if that is me being racist, I make no apologies. I think the ones who get more offended are the misguided wannabe Liberal do-gooders who are quick to jump up and accuse others of racism, abuse etc. yet have no grasp of the real world in which we live and the problems a lot of people face. Sound familiar? - Finally, please don't try and fog the issue by saying I am accsuing all local authority services of being "prejudicial against white people". I would repeat my point for you again and state that there are cases of discrimination in some of the decisions made by the powers that be in local authorities. The travellers on the cliff top is a classic case. If you don't believe me, go and park your vehicle there for a week and see what happens. The question you should be asking yourself is why does this happen? I think rather than jumping on folk for having a qualified opinion - albeit diferent from yours - you should get over yourself and grow up and recognise that injsutcies and bad decisions do happen and usually for reasons other than those you read in the papers. Demands for places in local shools are limited for reasons other than what gets dropped into council press releases and sound-bites. Some would suggest there is a possibility of this happening in the instance of this poor family.[/p][/quote]Ludicrous. We're talking about a family in dire straits, not some general politicalisation about parking or race. This is a desperate issue. I hope to read good news soon. agp1337
  • Score: 4

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