Man living on flour and water and woman forced to stop chemotherapy – battle residents face revealed at poverty summit

SUMMIT: Guest speakers Reverend Clare Downing, with Richard Bristow and Tom Papworth

SUMMIT: Guest speakers Reverend Clare Downing, with Richard Bristow and Tom Papworth

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CONTROVERSIAL changes to the welfare system are forcing vulnerable people in Bournemouth and Poole to make life-changing decisions, a poverty summit has heard.

Richard Bristow, the manager of Poole Citizens’ Advice Bureau, cited a case where a man with learning disabilities was living on a paste made from flour and water after his benefits were suspended and another where a woman with breast cancer was forced to stop chemotherapy because she was assessed as ineligible for benefits.

He told the audience at Bournemouth University that CAB staff regularly saw Bournemouth and Poole residents who were facing an endless battle to make ends meet.

He said: “Some aspects (of the benefit system) appear to penalise anybody who requires help from the state.

“The bedroom tax in particular is having an insidious impact, especially when there’s no accommodation people can move into.

“The welfare state is meant to offer a safety net but the holes appear to have got a lot bigger in recent years.

“When it’s acknowledged that some people will never work because of health problems, I feel they should be treated differently and allowed to have a decent standard of living.”

Mr Bristow was a keynote speaker at ‘Local Poverty – Reality and Response,’ a Bournemouth University Festival of Learning event. He told the audience that Bournemouth and Poole CABs deal with around 25,000 problems each year.

He said there were officially 4,350 children in poverty in Poole, 5,625 in Bournemouth and that last year, more than 14,000 people turned to one of the area’s main food banks for assistance.

“Food banks have become an essential part of the safety net for local people in recent months,” he said. “Without them many people would go hungry.”

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7:24am Thu 12 Jun 14

Baysider says...

Did Maggies boy Connor turn up to hear first hand the effect his governments policies were having on the poor and the sick? I doubt it, he was probably too busy firing off another letter of complaint about the work that Oxfam do in the UK to highlight the failings of his government.
Did Maggies boy Connor turn up to hear first hand the effect his governments policies were having on the poor and the sick? I doubt it, he was probably too busy firing off another letter of complaint about the work that Oxfam do in the UK to highlight the failings of his government. Baysider
  • Score: 71

8:18am Thu 12 Jun 14

susi.m says...

Why none of the comments from Tom Papworth. He spoke honestly and openly and what he said really made sense. I am very disappointed at the echos reporting of this event.
Why none of the comments from Tom Papworth. He spoke honestly and openly and what he said really made sense. I am very disappointed at the echos reporting of this event. susi.m
  • Score: 26

8:23am Thu 12 Jun 14

bowie1982 says...

“Overcoming poverty is not a task of charity, it is an act of justice. Like Slavery and Apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made and it can be overcome and eradicated by the actions of human beings. Sometimes it falls on a generation to be great. YOU can be that great generation. Let your greatness blossom.”

― Nelson Mandela

Poverty is the worst form of violence.

Mahatma Gandhi

Anyone who has ever struggled with poverty knows how extremely expensive it is to be poor.
“Overcoming poverty is not a task of charity, it is an act of justice. Like Slavery and Apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made and it can be overcome and eradicated by the actions of human beings. Sometimes it falls on a generation to be great. YOU can be that great generation. Let your greatness blossom.” ― Nelson Mandela Poverty is the worst form of violence. Mahatma Gandhi Anyone who has ever struggled with poverty knows how extremely expensive it is to be poor. bowie1982
  • Score: 157

10:04am Thu 12 Jun 14

13mediawarfare says...

Welfare is given to the lazy, so that those in real need such as those with disabilities and illnesses miss out. There are too many people relying on the state to fund their extravagant lifestyles whereby they have more money than full time hard workers. The money those workers pay in taxes shopuld NOT be going to lazy scum, but to those who really need it - like the 2 examples in this story. We cannot support everyone, so those who can support themselves, should.
Welfare is given to the lazy, so that those in real need such as those with disabilities and illnesses miss out. There are too many people relying on the state to fund their extravagant lifestyles whereby they have more money than full time hard workers. The money those workers pay in taxes shopuld NOT be going to lazy scum, but to those who really need it - like the 2 examples in this story. We cannot support everyone, so those who can support themselves, should. 13mediawarfare
  • Score: -92

10:05am Thu 12 Jun 14

Redgolfer says...

bowie1982 wrote:
“Overcoming poverty is not a task of charity, it is an act of justice. Like Slavery and Apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made and it can be overcome and eradicated by the actions of human beings. Sometimes it falls on a generation to be great. YOU can be that great generation. Let your greatness blossom.”

― Nelson Mandela

Poverty is the worst form of violence.

Mahatma Gandhi

Anyone who has ever struggled with poverty knows how extremely expensive it is to be poor.
There has always been the ''have's and Have not's'' what's the definition of poor, having TOO many children when you cannot afford them, having no where to live, smoking and boozing when you have no money to pay for those items, not bothering to try and find work to feed yourselves, maybe its the different generations but nobody is OWED a living by Society, cut down on what you cannot afford and be happy, wait for all the do-gooders comments, 67 and still working, paying my way ???
[quote][p][bold]bowie1982[/bold] wrote: “Overcoming poverty is not a task of charity, it is an act of justice. Like Slavery and Apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made and it can be overcome and eradicated by the actions of human beings. Sometimes it falls on a generation to be great. YOU can be that great generation. Let your greatness blossom.” ― Nelson Mandela Poverty is the worst form of violence. Mahatma Gandhi Anyone who has ever struggled with poverty knows how extremely expensive it is to be poor.[/p][/quote]There has always been the ''have's and Have not's'' what's the definition of poor, having TOO many children when you cannot afford them, having no where to live, smoking and boozing when you have no money to pay for those items, not bothering to try and find work to feed yourselves, maybe its the different generations but nobody is OWED a living by Society, cut down on what you cannot afford and be happy, wait for all the do-gooders comments, 67 and still working, paying my way ??? Redgolfer
  • Score: -116

10:24am Thu 12 Jun 14

BmthNewshound says...

The current reforms to the benefits system are necessary because we suffered 13 years of a Labour government who allowed the system to get out of control and made claiming benefits a lifestyle choice. Unfortunately when you have hundreds of thousands of people dependent on taxpayer funded state benefits any reform is going to result in a small number of people falling through the net.
.
The simple fact is the UK cannot afford to maintain the current level of benefits being paid out without increasing government debt or increasing taxation.
.
Its not the government that charities should be attacking but the thousands of people who abuse the benefits system either by making fraudulent claims or cleverly manipulating the system to claim every last penny of benefits they can.
.
Increasing state benefits isn't going to solve the problem of poverty. The governments policy of getting people off benefits and back to work is the only sustainable way of lifting people out of poverty. Benefits should never be more than a safety net for people who can work or used to support the most vulnerable.
The current reforms to the benefits system are necessary because we suffered 13 years of a Labour government who allowed the system to get out of control and made claiming benefits a lifestyle choice. Unfortunately when you have hundreds of thousands of people dependent on taxpayer funded state benefits any reform is going to result in a small number of people falling through the net. . The simple fact is the UK cannot afford to maintain the current level of benefits being paid out without increasing government debt or increasing taxation. . Its not the government that charities should be attacking but the thousands of people who abuse the benefits system either by making fraudulent claims or cleverly manipulating the system to claim every last penny of benefits they can. . Increasing state benefits isn't going to solve the problem of poverty. The governments policy of getting people off benefits and back to work is the only sustainable way of lifting people out of poverty. Benefits should never be more than a safety net for people who can work or used to support the most vulnerable. BmthNewshound
  • Score: -79

10:38am Thu 12 Jun 14

elite50 says...

Redgolfer wrote:
bowie1982 wrote:
“Overcoming poverty is not a task of charity, it is an act of justice. Like Slavery and Apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made and it can be overcome and eradicated by the actions of human beings. Sometimes it falls on a generation to be great. YOU can be that great generation. Let your greatness blossom.”

― Nelson Mandela

Poverty is the worst form of violence.

Mahatma Gandhi

Anyone who has ever struggled with poverty knows how extremely expensive it is to be poor.
There has always been the ''have's and Have not's'' what's the definition of poor, having TOO many children when you cannot afford them, having no where to live, smoking and boozing when you have no money to pay for those items, not bothering to try and find work to feed yourselves, maybe its the different generations but nobody is OWED a living by Society, cut down on what you cannot afford and be happy, wait for all the do-gooders comments, 67 and still working, paying my way ???
Well said.
It is about time that the net that the above people slipped through was tightened to prevent this happening.
It should also be tightened to catch the deadbeats that sponge off of the system.
The average worker works about 1 month a year to pay for the people who live off of society.
Lifes "haves" don't owe lifes "have-nots" a living if they are capable of looking after themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Redgolfer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bowie1982[/bold] wrote: “Overcoming poverty is not a task of charity, it is an act of justice. Like Slavery and Apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made and it can be overcome and eradicated by the actions of human beings. Sometimes it falls on a generation to be great. YOU can be that great generation. Let your greatness blossom.” ― Nelson Mandela Poverty is the worst form of violence. Mahatma Gandhi Anyone who has ever struggled with poverty knows how extremely expensive it is to be poor.[/p][/quote]There has always been the ''have's and Have not's'' what's the definition of poor, having TOO many children when you cannot afford them, having no where to live, smoking and boozing when you have no money to pay for those items, not bothering to try and find work to feed yourselves, maybe its the different generations but nobody is OWED a living by Society, cut down on what you cannot afford and be happy, wait for all the do-gooders comments, 67 and still working, paying my way ???[/p][/quote]Well said. It is about time that the net that the above people slipped through was tightened to prevent this happening. It should also be tightened to catch the deadbeats that sponge off of the system. The average worker works about 1 month a year to pay for the people who live off of society. Lifes "haves" don't owe lifes "have-nots" a living if they are capable of looking after themselves. elite50
  • Score: -53

10:47am Thu 12 Jun 14

moleman says...

If large corporations paid a fair level of tax in the UK ideally based on UK sales then we would be able to pay benefits to the poor and in turn have a better society.
As working families face increased pressure on their ability to pay bills and wage increases continue to be below inflation, I think corporations will have to step up to the plate and pay their share.
A society that doesn't help to protect the weak and the impoverished, is not really a good state of affairs especially as we are the sixth wealthiest country in the world.
If large corporations paid a fair level of tax in the UK ideally based on UK sales then we would be able to pay benefits to the poor and in turn have a better society. As working families face increased pressure on their ability to pay bills and wage increases continue to be below inflation, I think corporations will have to step up to the plate and pay their share. A society that doesn't help to protect the weak and the impoverished, is not really a good state of affairs especially as we are the sixth wealthiest country in the world. moleman
  • Score: 120

11:16am Thu 12 Jun 14

Redgolfer says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
The current reforms to the benefits system are necessary because we suffered 13 years of a Labour government who allowed the system to get out of control and made claiming benefits a lifestyle choice. Unfortunately when you have hundreds of thousands of people dependent on taxpayer funded state benefits any reform is going to result in a small number of people falling through the net.
.
The simple fact is the UK cannot afford to maintain the current level of benefits being paid out without increasing government debt or increasing taxation.
.
Its not the government that charities should be attacking but the thousands of people who abuse the benefits system either by making fraudulent claims or cleverly manipulating the system to claim every last penny of benefits they can.
.
Increasing state benefits isn't going to solve the problem of poverty. The governments policy of getting people off benefits and back to work is the only sustainable way of lifting people out of poverty. Benefits should never be more than a safety net for people who can work or used to support the most vulnerable.
My sentiments exactly but better choice of words than I could muster, maybe the fact that there are more people in employment, makes me think that there is a success in getting the workshy back into working and not claiming benefits.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: The current reforms to the benefits system are necessary because we suffered 13 years of a Labour government who allowed the system to get out of control and made claiming benefits a lifestyle choice. Unfortunately when you have hundreds of thousands of people dependent on taxpayer funded state benefits any reform is going to result in a small number of people falling through the net. . The simple fact is the UK cannot afford to maintain the current level of benefits being paid out without increasing government debt or increasing taxation. . Its not the government that charities should be attacking but the thousands of people who abuse the benefits system either by making fraudulent claims or cleverly manipulating the system to claim every last penny of benefits they can. . Increasing state benefits isn't going to solve the problem of poverty. The governments policy of getting people off benefits and back to work is the only sustainable way of lifting people out of poverty. Benefits should never be more than a safety net for people who can work or used to support the most vulnerable.[/p][/quote]My sentiments exactly but better choice of words than I could muster, maybe the fact that there are more people in employment, makes me think that there is a success in getting the workshy back into working and not claiming benefits. Redgolfer
  • Score: -71

11:48am Thu 12 Jun 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

I think the government are doing a great job of squeezing the bone idle. Most of them have been using the social security safety net as a hammock for years.

I'd go much further if I was in charge. I'd introduce a new 2 years and thats your lot cap on benefits in a persons lifetime.

Also, all unemployed have to sign on every day at 8am and 1PM to get benefit for that day. They would be required to turn up at the jobcentre looking smart, washed, shaved and ready for work.

Thats just for starters......
I think the government are doing a great job of squeezing the bone idle. Most of them have been using the social security safety net as a hammock for years. I'd go much further if I was in charge. I'd introduce a new 2 years and thats your lot cap on benefits in a persons lifetime. Also, all unemployed have to sign on every day at 8am and 1PM to get benefit for that day. They would be required to turn up at the jobcentre looking smart, washed, shaved and ready for work. Thats just for starters...... Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: -78

11:57am Thu 12 Jun 14

pauls55 says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
The current reforms to the benefits system are necessary because we suffered 13 years of a Labour government who allowed the system to get out of control and made claiming benefits a lifestyle choice. Unfortunately when you have hundreds of thousands of people dependent on taxpayer funded state benefits any reform is going to result in a small number of people falling through the net. . The simple fact is the UK cannot afford to maintain the current level of benefits being paid out without increasing government debt or increasing taxation. . Its not the government that charities should be attacking but the thousands of people who abuse the benefits system either by making fraudulent claims or cleverly manipulating the system to claim every last penny of benefits they can. . Increasing state benefits isn't going to solve the problem of poverty. The governments policy of getting people off benefits and back to work is the only sustainable way of lifting people out of poverty. Benefits should never be more than a safety net for people who can work or used to support the most vulnerable.
If you check the official figures only 0.7% of total benefit expenditure was due to fraud. The overwhelming percentage of Welfare benefits are state pensions and payments to struggling working people who are the victims of a low wage economy this appalling Condem Government created.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: The current reforms to the benefits system are necessary because we suffered 13 years of a Labour government who allowed the system to get out of control and made claiming benefits a lifestyle choice. Unfortunately when you have hundreds of thousands of people dependent on taxpayer funded state benefits any reform is going to result in a small number of people falling through the net. . The simple fact is the UK cannot afford to maintain the current level of benefits being paid out without increasing government debt or increasing taxation. . Its not the government that charities should be attacking but the thousands of people who abuse the benefits system either by making fraudulent claims or cleverly manipulating the system to claim every last penny of benefits they can. . Increasing state benefits isn't going to solve the problem of poverty. The governments policy of getting people off benefits and back to work is the only sustainable way of lifting people out of poverty. Benefits should never be more than a safety net for people who can work or used to support the most vulnerable.[/p][/quote]If you check the official figures only 0.7% of total benefit expenditure was due to fraud. The overwhelming percentage of Welfare benefits are state pensions and payments to struggling working people who are the victims of a low wage economy this appalling Condem Government created. pauls55
  • Score: 132

12:01pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Bournemouthfan2 says...

Redgolfer wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
The current reforms to the benefits system are necessary because we suffered 13 years of a Labour government who allowed the system to get out of control and made claiming benefits a lifestyle choice. Unfortunately when you have hundreds of thousands of people dependent on taxpayer funded state benefits any reform is going to result in a small number of people falling through the net.
.
The simple fact is the UK cannot afford to maintain the current level of benefits being paid out without increasing government debt or increasing taxation.
.
Its not the government that charities should be attacking but the thousands of people who abuse the benefits system either by making fraudulent claims or cleverly manipulating the system to claim every last penny of benefits they can.
.
Increasing state benefits isn't going to solve the problem of poverty. The governments policy of getting people off benefits and back to work is the only sustainable way of lifting people out of poverty. Benefits should never be more than a safety net for people who can work or used to support the most vulnerable.
My sentiments exactly but better choice of words than I could muster, maybe the fact that there are more people in employment, makes me think that there is a success in getting the workshy back into working and not claiming benefits.
I also agree. I am completely in favour of helping those that genuinely have no way of supporting themselves, but the standard of living in the UK has risen over the years and some peoples idea of poverty is not really poverty at all.
I have a couple of tenants who are not working and rely on benefits to help pay their rent. They have struggled with the changes to the social system over the past couple of years and I have done my bit to try to help them by letting them go into arrears or even not paying rent some months. But during the course of one conversation, they told me that they were living on the breadline and they 'even had to give up Sky tv and change their usual brand of cigarettes to roll your own' They are lovely tenants and have looked after my property for me and I would do what I could to avoid them having to move out, but I have to say that while they think they are living from hand to mouth, they obviously are not!
I am not saying that all people on benefits think the same way, but I wonder what some peoples idea of poverty really is?
[quote][p][bold]Redgolfer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: The current reforms to the benefits system are necessary because we suffered 13 years of a Labour government who allowed the system to get out of control and made claiming benefits a lifestyle choice. Unfortunately when you have hundreds of thousands of people dependent on taxpayer funded state benefits any reform is going to result in a small number of people falling through the net. . The simple fact is the UK cannot afford to maintain the current level of benefits being paid out without increasing government debt or increasing taxation. . Its not the government that charities should be attacking but the thousands of people who abuse the benefits system either by making fraudulent claims or cleverly manipulating the system to claim every last penny of benefits they can. . Increasing state benefits isn't going to solve the problem of poverty. The governments policy of getting people off benefits and back to work is the only sustainable way of lifting people out of poverty. Benefits should never be more than a safety net for people who can work or used to support the most vulnerable.[/p][/quote]My sentiments exactly but better choice of words than I could muster, maybe the fact that there are more people in employment, makes me think that there is a success in getting the workshy back into working and not claiming benefits.[/p][/quote]I also agree. I am completely in favour of helping those that genuinely have no way of supporting themselves, but the standard of living in the UK has risen over the years and some peoples idea of poverty is not really poverty at all. I have a couple of tenants who are not working and rely on benefits to help pay their rent. They have struggled with the changes to the social system over the past couple of years and I have done my bit to try to help them by letting them go into arrears or even not paying rent some months. But during the course of one conversation, they told me that they were living on the breadline and they 'even had to give up Sky tv and change their usual brand of cigarettes to roll your own' They are lovely tenants and have looked after my property for me and I would do what I could to avoid them having to move out, but I have to say that while they think they are living from hand to mouth, they obviously are not! I am not saying that all people on benefits think the same way, but I wonder what some peoples idea of poverty really is? Bournemouthfan2
  • Score: -63

12:38pm Thu 12 Jun 14

KitKatPuss says...

All of you being judgmental and spouting all of your ideas and various philosophies on what you would do if you ran the country need to just stop and take stock.....what is wrong with this world? I can tell you....hearing about a lady not being able to continue with chemotherapy because of benefits being cut....a man living on flour and water because of benefits being cut.....has anyone actually thought that maybe the above people need disability benefits because they are too ill to work?

Poverty is everywhere......and it really shouldn't be in the UK as we are one of the richest countries in the world!

There is something wrong with society (I include myself in this) when I am on the way to work and I see a homeless man sleeping in a dirty sleeping bag outside a luxury hotel.....and people just walk on by.
All of you being judgmental and spouting all of your ideas and various philosophies on what you would do if you ran the country need to just stop and take stock.....what is wrong with this world? I can tell you....hearing about a lady not being able to continue with chemotherapy because of benefits being cut....a man living on flour and water because of benefits being cut.....has anyone actually thought that maybe the above people need disability benefits because they are too ill to work? Poverty is everywhere......and it really shouldn't be in the UK as we are one of the richest countries in the world! There is something wrong with society (I include myself in this) when I am on the way to work and I see a homeless man sleeping in a dirty sleeping bag outside a luxury hotel.....and people just walk on by. KitKatPuss
  • Score: 123

12:50pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

People keep saying we are one of the richest countries in the world.....really ?

Being 1.4 trillion in debt and borrowing a further 9 billion a month to run the country suggests we're broke and in deep doo dah.
People keep saying we are one of the richest countries in the world.....really ? Being 1.4 trillion in debt and borrowing a further 9 billion a month to run the country suggests we're broke and in deep doo dah. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: -55

12:56pm Thu 12 Jun 14

BournemouthMum says...

Redgolfer wrote:
bowie1982 wrote:
“Overcoming poverty is not a task of charity, it is an act of justice. Like Slavery and Apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made and it can be overcome and eradicated by the actions of human beings. Sometimes it falls on a generation to be great. YOU can be that great generation. Let your greatness blossom.”

― Nelson Mandela

Poverty is the worst form of violence.

Mahatma Gandhi

Anyone who has ever struggled with poverty knows how extremely expensive it is to be poor.
There has always been the ''have's and Have not's'' what's the definition of poor, having TOO many children when you cannot afford them, having no where to live, smoking and boozing when you have no money to pay for those items, not bothering to try and find work to feed yourselves, maybe its the different generations but nobody is OWED a living by Society, cut down on what you cannot afford and be happy, wait for all the do-gooders comments, 67 and still working, paying my way ???
How ignorant and ill informed you are.
[quote][p][bold]Redgolfer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bowie1982[/bold] wrote: “Overcoming poverty is not a task of charity, it is an act of justice. Like Slavery and Apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made and it can be overcome and eradicated by the actions of human beings. Sometimes it falls on a generation to be great. YOU can be that great generation. Let your greatness blossom.” ― Nelson Mandela Poverty is the worst form of violence. Mahatma Gandhi Anyone who has ever struggled with poverty knows how extremely expensive it is to be poor.[/p][/quote]There has always been the ''have's and Have not's'' what's the definition of poor, having TOO many children when you cannot afford them, having no where to live, smoking and boozing when you have no money to pay for those items, not bothering to try and find work to feed yourselves, maybe its the different generations but nobody is OWED a living by Society, cut down on what you cannot afford and be happy, wait for all the do-gooders comments, 67 and still working, paying my way ???[/p][/quote]How ignorant and ill informed you are. BournemouthMum
  • Score: 90

1:09pm Thu 12 Jun 14

misplacedspaniard says...

Bournemouthfan2 wrote:
Redgolfer wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
The current reforms to the benefits system are necessary because we suffered 13 years of a Labour government who allowed the system to get out of control and made claiming benefits a lifestyle choice. Unfortunately when you have hundreds of thousands of people dependent on taxpayer funded state benefits any reform is going to result in a small number of people falling through the net.
.
The simple fact is the UK cannot afford to maintain the current level of benefits being paid out without increasing government debt or increasing taxation.
.
Its not the government that charities should be attacking but the thousands of people who abuse the benefits system either by making fraudulent claims or cleverly manipulating the system to claim every last penny of benefits they can.
.
Increasing state benefits isn't going to solve the problem of poverty. The governments policy of getting people off benefits and back to work is the only sustainable way of lifting people out of poverty. Benefits should never be more than a safety net for people who can work or used to support the most vulnerable.
My sentiments exactly but better choice of words than I could muster, maybe the fact that there are more people in employment, makes me think that there is a success in getting the workshy back into working and not claiming benefits.
I also agree. I am completely in favour of helping those that genuinely have no way of supporting themselves, but the standard of living in the UK has risen over the years and some peoples idea of poverty is not really poverty at all.
I have a couple of tenants who are not working and rely on benefits to help pay their rent. They have struggled with the changes to the social system over the past couple of years and I have done my bit to try to help them by letting them go into arrears or even not paying rent some months. But during the course of one conversation, they told me that they were living on the breadline and they 'even had to give up Sky tv and change their usual brand of cigarettes to roll your own' They are lovely tenants and have looked after my property for me and I would do what I could to avoid them having to move out, but I have to say that while they think they are living from hand to mouth, they obviously are not!
I am not saying that all people on benefits think the same way, but I wonder what some peoples idea of poverty really is?
Scummy landlords and one of the reasons austerity measures are in place so keep your mouth shut. Disgusting.
[quote][p][bold]Bournemouthfan2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redgolfer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: The current reforms to the benefits system are necessary because we suffered 13 years of a Labour government who allowed the system to get out of control and made claiming benefits a lifestyle choice. Unfortunately when you have hundreds of thousands of people dependent on taxpayer funded state benefits any reform is going to result in a small number of people falling through the net. . The simple fact is the UK cannot afford to maintain the current level of benefits being paid out without increasing government debt or increasing taxation. . Its not the government that charities should be attacking but the thousands of people who abuse the benefits system either by making fraudulent claims or cleverly manipulating the system to claim every last penny of benefits they can. . Increasing state benefits isn't going to solve the problem of poverty. The governments policy of getting people off benefits and back to work is the only sustainable way of lifting people out of poverty. Benefits should never be more than a safety net for people who can work or used to support the most vulnerable.[/p][/quote]My sentiments exactly but better choice of words than I could muster, maybe the fact that there are more people in employment, makes me think that there is a success in getting the workshy back into working and not claiming benefits.[/p][/quote]I also agree. I am completely in favour of helping those that genuinely have no way of supporting themselves, but the standard of living in the UK has risen over the years and some peoples idea of poverty is not really poverty at all. I have a couple of tenants who are not working and rely on benefits to help pay their rent. They have struggled with the changes to the social system over the past couple of years and I have done my bit to try to help them by letting them go into arrears or even not paying rent some months. But during the course of one conversation, they told me that they were living on the breadline and they 'even had to give up Sky tv and change their usual brand of cigarettes to roll your own' They are lovely tenants and have looked after my property for me and I would do what I could to avoid them having to move out, but I have to say that while they think they are living from hand to mouth, they obviously are not! I am not saying that all people on benefits think the same way, but I wonder what some peoples idea of poverty really is?[/p][/quote]Scummy landlords and one of the reasons austerity measures are in place so keep your mouth shut. Disgusting. misplacedspaniard
  • Score: 38

1:23pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Azphreal says...

Looking at some of the posts shows that there are people who do not have the first idea about the benefits system. Lets put a few myths to bed. 'Its the lazy people who claim benefits' after age related benefit (around 60% of the benefits bill) the next highest bill is (at around 33%) IN WORK BENEITS are these the lazy people you are talking about?Around 3% is paid in unemployment benefits. The 'they are all smoke,drink,have flat screen tv's and go abroad on holiday' is a myth created by the daily mail and their like as i would love to know how you can do that on around £70 a week.
Looking at some of the posts shows that there are people who do not have the first idea about the benefits system. Lets put a few myths to bed. 'Its the lazy people who claim benefits' after age related benefit (around 60% of the benefits bill) the next highest bill is (at around 33%) IN WORK BENEITS are these the lazy people you are talking about?Around 3% is paid in unemployment benefits. The 'they are all smoke,drink,have flat screen tv's and go abroad on holiday' is a myth created by the daily mail and their like as i would love to know how you can do that on around £70 a week. Azphreal
  • Score: 88

1:31pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Pablo23 says...

Only 3% of the benefits pot go to the unemployed.

The government and media have done a good job of demonising the poor and taking peoples attention away from the real criminals that got us into this mess.
The corrupt bankers and the wealthy.

How much money does such a small collection of the population need !?

The imbalance between the obscenely rich and the poor has never been so stark.
Only 3% of the benefits pot go to the unemployed. The government and media have done a good job of demonising the poor and taking peoples attention away from the real criminals that got us into this mess. The corrupt bankers and the wealthy. How much money does such a small collection of the population need !? The imbalance between the obscenely rich and the poor has never been so stark. Pablo23
  • Score: 78

2:05pm Thu 12 Jun 14

elite50 says...

Just check out the comments.
If you dare suggest that people are responsible for their position in life the negatives are huge.
It seems that the "hands-out" majority can all afford a personal computer!
I was forced out of school at 14 because our family needed my income to sustain the food, fags and booze that was needed.
I have spent my whole life supporting my family.
I don't want, or need, a pat on the back.
What I need, after 72 years, is the next generation to try and drag my country back to the place it was at when I was born.
We (this country), used to rule the world.
I would like to see that the next lot :- Get up off of your backsides and DO SOMETHING to make this country great again.
I don't need your help, I have enough to eat and I don't drink much, or smoke!
Just check out the comments. If you dare suggest that people are responsible for their position in life the negatives are huge. It seems that the "hands-out" majority can all afford a personal computer! I was forced out of school at 14 because our family needed my income to sustain the food, fags and booze that was needed. I have spent my whole life supporting my family. I don't want, or need, a pat on the back. What I need, after 72 years, is the next generation to try and drag my country back to the place it was at when I was born. We (this country), used to rule the world. I would like to see that the next lot :- Get up off of your backsides and DO SOMETHING to make this country great again. I don't need your help, I have enough to eat and I don't drink much, or smoke! elite50
  • Score: -45

2:51pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Baysider says...

elite50 wrote:
Just check out the comments.
If you dare suggest that people are responsible for their position in life the negatives are huge.
It seems that the "hands-out" majority can all afford a personal computer!
I was forced out of school at 14 because our family needed my income to sustain the food, fags and booze that was needed.
I have spent my whole life supporting my family.
I don't want, or need, a pat on the back.
What I need, after 72 years, is the next generation to try and drag my country back to the place it was at when I was born.
We (this country), used to rule the world.
I would like to see that the next lot :- Get up off of your backsides and DO SOMETHING to make this country great again.
I don't need your help, I have enough to eat and I don't drink much, or smoke!
Well if you're 72 then you contributed precisely zero to the building of the Empire you so dearly want to go back to yourself.

As a 72 year old you have enjoyed the longest period of peace in Europe ever, pretty much a lifetime of social security, free at the point of delivery health care, low housing costs and many years of near enough zero unemployment.


It's a bit rich then, that a pensioner currently enjoying levels of state income and a lifestyle that very few will be able to sustain in the future, is slating those who are for reasons almost certainly beyond their control suffering under this governments social security policies.


Worried there won't be enough left to pay your tv license or your heating allowance or for your free travel???
[quote][p][bold]elite50[/bold] wrote: Just check out the comments. If you dare suggest that people are responsible for their position in life the negatives are huge. It seems that the "hands-out" majority can all afford a personal computer! I was forced out of school at 14 because our family needed my income to sustain the food, fags and booze that was needed. I have spent my whole life supporting my family. I don't want, or need, a pat on the back. What I need, after 72 years, is the next generation to try and drag my country back to the place it was at when I was born. We (this country), used to rule the world. I would like to see that the next lot :- Get up off of your backsides and DO SOMETHING to make this country great again. I don't need your help, I have enough to eat and I don't drink much, or smoke![/p][/quote]Well if you're 72 then you contributed precisely zero to the building of the Empire you so dearly want to go back to yourself. As a 72 year old you have enjoyed the longest period of peace in Europe ever, pretty much a lifetime of social security, free at the point of delivery health care, low housing costs and many years of near enough zero unemployment. It's a bit rich then, that a pensioner currently enjoying levels of state income and a lifestyle that very few will be able to sustain in the future, is slating those who are for reasons almost certainly beyond their control suffering under this governments social security policies. Worried there won't be enough left to pay your tv license or your heating allowance or for your free travel??? Baysider
  • Score: 65

8:22pm Thu 12 Jun 14

twynham says...

Like Redgolfer I'm also 67 and still working, paying my way.
I also donate every week to my local food bank where many users are working on appalling wages paying exorbitant rents backed up by inadequate benefits.
It should not be necessary in 2014.
How's that for a do gooder comment you plank?
Like Redgolfer I'm also 67 and still working, paying my way. I also donate every week to my local food bank where many users are working on appalling wages paying exorbitant rents backed up by inadequate benefits. It should not be necessary in 2014. How's that for a do gooder comment you plank? twynham
  • Score: 65

10:23pm Thu 12 Jun 14

breamoreboy says...

moleman wrote:
If large corporations paid a fair level of tax in the UK ideally based on UK sales then we would be able to pay benefits to the poor and in turn have a better society.
As working families face increased pressure on their ability to pay bills and wage increases continue to be below inflation, I think corporations will have to step up to the plate and pay their share.
A society that doesn't help to protect the weak and the impoverished, is not really a good state of affairs especially as we are the sixth wealthiest country in the world.
Paying any tax would be a good start http://action.sumofu
s.org/a/vodafone-tax
-dodging/?sub=fb
[quote][p][bold]moleman[/bold] wrote: If large corporations paid a fair level of tax in the UK ideally based on UK sales then we would be able to pay benefits to the poor and in turn have a better society. As working families face increased pressure on their ability to pay bills and wage increases continue to be below inflation, I think corporations will have to step up to the plate and pay their share. A society that doesn't help to protect the weak and the impoverished, is not really a good state of affairs especially as we are the sixth wealthiest country in the world.[/p][/quote]Paying any tax would be a good start http://action.sumofu s.org/a/vodafone-tax -dodging/?sub=fb breamoreboy
  • Score: 29

10:27pm Thu 12 Jun 14

breamoreboy says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
I think the government are doing a great job of squeezing the bone idle. Most of them have been using the social security safety net as a hammock for years.

I'd go much further if I was in charge. I'd introduce a new 2 years and thats your lot cap on benefits in a persons lifetime.

Also, all unemployed have to sign on every day at 8am and 1PM to get benefit for that day. They would be required to turn up at the jobcentre looking smart, washed, shaved and ready for work.

Thats just for starters......
You just haven't got a clue as to the real world.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: I think the government are doing a great job of squeezing the bone idle. Most of them have been using the social security safety net as a hammock for years. I'd go much further if I was in charge. I'd introduce a new 2 years and thats your lot cap on benefits in a persons lifetime. Also, all unemployed have to sign on every day at 8am and 1PM to get benefit for that day. They would be required to turn up at the jobcentre looking smart, washed, shaved and ready for work. Thats just for starters......[/p][/quote]You just haven't got a clue as to the real world. breamoreboy
  • Score: 44

10:32pm Thu 12 Jun 14

breamoreboy says...

BournemouthMum wrote:
Redgolfer wrote:
bowie1982 wrote:
“Overcoming poverty is not a task of charity, it is an act of justice. Like Slavery and Apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made and it can be overcome and eradicated by the actions of human beings. Sometimes it falls on a generation to be great. YOU can be that great generation. Let your greatness blossom.”

― Nelson Mandela

Poverty is the worst form of violence.

Mahatma Gandhi

Anyone who has ever struggled with poverty knows how extremely expensive it is to be poor.
There has always been the ''have's and Have not's'' what's the definition of poor, having TOO many children when you cannot afford them, having no where to live, smoking and boozing when you have no money to pay for those items, not bothering to try and find work to feed yourselves, maybe its the different generations but nobody is OWED a living by Society, cut down on what you cannot afford and be happy, wait for all the do-gooders comments, 67 and still working, paying my way ???
How ignorant and ill informed you are.
Well put. Sadly a substantial number of regulars here are in the same vein. Blow you Jack, I'm all right.
[quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redgolfer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bowie1982[/bold] wrote: “Overcoming poverty is not a task of charity, it is an act of justice. Like Slavery and Apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made and it can be overcome and eradicated by the actions of human beings. Sometimes it falls on a generation to be great. YOU can be that great generation. Let your greatness blossom.” ― Nelson Mandela Poverty is the worst form of violence. Mahatma Gandhi Anyone who has ever struggled with poverty knows how extremely expensive it is to be poor.[/p][/quote]There has always been the ''have's and Have not's'' what's the definition of poor, having TOO many children when you cannot afford them, having no where to live, smoking and boozing when you have no money to pay for those items, not bothering to try and find work to feed yourselves, maybe its the different generations but nobody is OWED a living by Society, cut down on what you cannot afford and be happy, wait for all the do-gooders comments, 67 and still working, paying my way ???[/p][/quote]How ignorant and ill informed you are.[/p][/quote]Well put. Sadly a substantial number of regulars here are in the same vein. Blow you Jack, I'm all right. breamoreboy
  • Score: 22

10:36pm Thu 12 Jun 14

breamoreboy says...

Azphreal wrote:
Looking at some of the posts shows that there are people who do not have the first idea about the benefits system. Lets put a few myths to bed. 'Its the lazy people who claim benefits' after age related benefit (around 60% of the benefits bill) the next highest bill is (at around 33%) IN WORK BENEITS are these the lazy people you are talking about?Around 3% is paid in unemployment benefits. The 'they are all smoke,drink,have flat screen tv's and go abroad on holiday' is a myth created by the daily mail and their like as i would love to know how you can do that on around £70 a week.
Please this is the Bournemouth Echo site. FUD not fact is wanted here.
[quote][p][bold]Azphreal[/bold] wrote: Looking at some of the posts shows that there are people who do not have the first idea about the benefits system. Lets put a few myths to bed. 'Its the lazy people who claim benefits' after age related benefit (around 60% of the benefits bill) the next highest bill is (at around 33%) IN WORK BENEITS are these the lazy people you are talking about?Around 3% is paid in unemployment benefits. The 'they are all smoke,drink,have flat screen tv's and go abroad on holiday' is a myth created by the daily mail and their like as i would love to know how you can do that on around £70 a week.[/p][/quote]Please this is the Bournemouth Echo site. FUD not fact is wanted here. breamoreboy
  • Score: 17

10:43pm Thu 12 Jun 14

breamoreboy says...

elite50 wrote:
Just check out the comments.
If you dare suggest that people are responsible for their position in life the negatives are huge.
It seems that the "hands-out" majority can all afford a personal computer!
I was forced out of school at 14 because our family needed my income to sustain the food, fags and booze that was needed.
I have spent my whole life supporting my family.
I don't want, or need, a pat on the back.
What I need, after 72 years, is the next generation to try and drag my country back to the place it was at when I was born.
We (this country), used to rule the world.
I would like to see that the next lot :- Get up off of your backsides and DO SOMETHING to make this country great again.
I don't need your help, I have enough to eat and I don't drink much, or smoke!
You're in cloud cuckoo land. When we had an empire trading was easy as the locals could be persuaded to sign a contract by a couple of regiments of the British army or a pair of gunboats. Those days are never coming back so you'd better get used to it.
[quote][p][bold]elite50[/bold] wrote: Just check out the comments. If you dare suggest that people are responsible for their position in life the negatives are huge. It seems that the "hands-out" majority can all afford a personal computer! I was forced out of school at 14 because our family needed my income to sustain the food, fags and booze that was needed. I have spent my whole life supporting my family. I don't want, or need, a pat on the back. What I need, after 72 years, is the next generation to try and drag my country back to the place it was at when I was born. We (this country), used to rule the world. I would like to see that the next lot :- Get up off of your backsides and DO SOMETHING to make this country great again. I don't need your help, I have enough to eat and I don't drink much, or smoke![/p][/quote]You're in cloud cuckoo land. When we had an empire trading was easy as the locals could be persuaded to sign a contract by a couple of regiments of the British army or a pair of gunboats. Those days are never coming back so you'd better get used to it. breamoreboy
  • Score: 23

10:52pm Thu 12 Jun 14

elite50 says...

Baysider wrote:
elite50 wrote:
Just check out the comments.
If you dare suggest that people are responsible for their position in life the negatives are huge.
It seems that the "hands-out" majority can all afford a personal computer!
I was forced out of school at 14 because our family needed my income to sustain the food, fags and booze that was needed.
I have spent my whole life supporting my family.
I don't want, or need, a pat on the back.
What I need, after 72 years, is the next generation to try and drag my country back to the place it was at when I was born.
We (this country), used to rule the world.
I would like to see that the next lot :- Get up off of your backsides and DO SOMETHING to make this country great again.
I don't need your help, I have enough to eat and I don't drink much, or smoke!
Well if you're 72 then you contributed precisely zero to the building of the Empire you so dearly want to go back to yourself.

As a 72 year old you have enjoyed the longest period of peace in Europe ever, pretty much a lifetime of social security, free at the point of delivery health care, low housing costs and many years of near enough zero unemployment.


It's a bit rich then, that a pensioner currently enjoying levels of state income and a lifestyle that very few will be able to sustain in the future, is slating those who are for reasons almost certainly beyond their control suffering under this governments social security policies.


Worried there won't be enough left to pay your tv license or your heating allowance or for your free travel???
I have paid tax for over 50 years, never been un-employed always paid my way in life, helped support the council house users (my taxes).
I am so sick of listening to the "what about me" brigade.
Seems odd that in these so called "tough times" so many people agree with the mealy mouthed weaklings like you.
Suggest you and your ilk grow up!
Tick your little negatives about that and try and pretend to be adult.
You lot make me sick.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elite50[/bold] wrote: Just check out the comments. If you dare suggest that people are responsible for their position in life the negatives are huge. It seems that the "hands-out" majority can all afford a personal computer! I was forced out of school at 14 because our family needed my income to sustain the food, fags and booze that was needed. I have spent my whole life supporting my family. I don't want, or need, a pat on the back. What I need, after 72 years, is the next generation to try and drag my country back to the place it was at when I was born. We (this country), used to rule the world. I would like to see that the next lot :- Get up off of your backsides and DO SOMETHING to make this country great again. I don't need your help, I have enough to eat and I don't drink much, or smoke![/p][/quote]Well if you're 72 then you contributed precisely zero to the building of the Empire you so dearly want to go back to yourself. As a 72 year old you have enjoyed the longest period of peace in Europe ever, pretty much a lifetime of social security, free at the point of delivery health care, low housing costs and many years of near enough zero unemployment. It's a bit rich then, that a pensioner currently enjoying levels of state income and a lifestyle that very few will be able to sustain in the future, is slating those who are for reasons almost certainly beyond their control suffering under this governments social security policies. Worried there won't be enough left to pay your tv license or your heating allowance or for your free travel???[/p][/quote]I have paid tax for over 50 years, never been un-employed always paid my way in life, helped support the council house users (my taxes). I am so sick of listening to the "what about me" brigade. Seems odd that in these so called "tough times" so many people agree with the mealy mouthed weaklings like you. Suggest you and your ilk grow up! Tick your little negatives about that and try and pretend to be adult. You lot make me sick. elite50
  • Score: -13

11:27pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Baysider says...

elite50 wrote:
Baysider wrote:
elite50 wrote:
Just check out the comments.
If you dare suggest that people are responsible for their position in life the negatives are huge.
It seems that the "hands-out" majority can all afford a personal computer!
I was forced out of school at 14 because our family needed my income to sustain the food, fags and booze that was needed.
I have spent my whole life supporting my family.
I don't want, or need, a pat on the back.
What I need, after 72 years, is the next generation to try and drag my country back to the place it was at when I was born.
We (this country), used to rule the world.
I would like to see that the next lot :- Get up off of your backsides and DO SOMETHING to make this country great again.
I don't need your help, I have enough to eat and I don't drink much, or smoke!
Well if you're 72 then you contributed precisely zero to the building of the Empire you so dearly want to go back to yourself.

As a 72 year old you have enjoyed the longest period of peace in Europe ever, pretty much a lifetime of social security, free at the point of delivery health care, low housing costs and many years of near enough zero unemployment.


It's a bit rich then, that a pensioner currently enjoying levels of state income and a lifestyle that very few will be able to sustain in the future, is slating those who are for reasons almost certainly beyond their control suffering under this governments social security policies.


Worried there won't be enough left to pay your tv license or your heating allowance or for your free travel???
I have paid tax for over 50 years, never been un-employed always paid my way in life, helped support the council house users (my taxes).
I am so sick of listening to the "what about me" brigade.
Seems odd that in these so called "tough times" so many people agree with the mealy mouthed weaklings like you.
Suggest you and your ilk grow up!
Tick your little negatives about that and try and pretend to be adult.
You lot make me sick.
So which part of what I wrote was factually incorrect then? FWIW I've never claimed a penny in benefits either.

Do you not see the irony in your 'what about me?' statement btw?
[quote][p][bold]elite50[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elite50[/bold] wrote: Just check out the comments. If you dare suggest that people are responsible for their position in life the negatives are huge. It seems that the "hands-out" majority can all afford a personal computer! I was forced out of school at 14 because our family needed my income to sustain the food, fags and booze that was needed. I have spent my whole life supporting my family. I don't want, or need, a pat on the back. What I need, after 72 years, is the next generation to try and drag my country back to the place it was at when I was born. We (this country), used to rule the world. I would like to see that the next lot :- Get up off of your backsides and DO SOMETHING to make this country great again. I don't need your help, I have enough to eat and I don't drink much, or smoke![/p][/quote]Well if you're 72 then you contributed precisely zero to the building of the Empire you so dearly want to go back to yourself. As a 72 year old you have enjoyed the longest period of peace in Europe ever, pretty much a lifetime of social security, free at the point of delivery health care, low housing costs and many years of near enough zero unemployment. It's a bit rich then, that a pensioner currently enjoying levels of state income and a lifestyle that very few will be able to sustain in the future, is slating those who are for reasons almost certainly beyond their control suffering under this governments social security policies. Worried there won't be enough left to pay your tv license or your heating allowance or for your free travel???[/p][/quote]I have paid tax for over 50 years, never been un-employed always paid my way in life, helped support the council house users (my taxes). I am so sick of listening to the "what about me" brigade. Seems odd that in these so called "tough times" so many people agree with the mealy mouthed weaklings like you. Suggest you and your ilk grow up! Tick your little negatives about that and try and pretend to be adult. You lot make me sick.[/p][/quote]So which part of what I wrote was factually incorrect then? FWIW I've never claimed a penny in benefits either. Do you not see the irony in your 'what about me?' statement btw? Baysider
  • Score: 14

12:01am Fri 13 Jun 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

breamoreboy wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
I think the government are doing a great job of squeezing the bone idle. Most of them have been using the social security safety net as a hammock for years.

I'd go much further if I was in charge. I'd introduce a new 2 years and thats your lot cap on benefits in a persons lifetime.

Also, all unemployed have to sign on every day at 8am and 1PM to get benefit for that day. They would be required to turn up at the jobcentre looking smart, washed, shaved and ready for work.

Thats just for starters......
You just haven't got a clue as to the real world.
And you haven't got a clue
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: I think the government are doing a great job of squeezing the bone idle. Most of them have been using the social security safety net as a hammock for years. I'd go much further if I was in charge. I'd introduce a new 2 years and thats your lot cap on benefits in a persons lifetime. Also, all unemployed have to sign on every day at 8am and 1PM to get benefit for that day. They would be required to turn up at the jobcentre looking smart, washed, shaved and ready for work. Thats just for starters......[/p][/quote]You just haven't got a clue as to the real world.[/p][/quote]And you haven't got a clue Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: -27

12:23am Fri 13 Jun 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

The benefits bill in Britain today have risen to unsustainable heights, of that there is no doubt. In 2010 it was £159 billion, by 2012 it had risen to a staggering £208 billion and that is something that needs to be addressed but unfortunately the government are attacking the wrong people. If they seriously want to make savings on the benefit bill they should look at those who benefit from the people on benefits, not those in receipt of benefits.
The benefits bill in Britain today have risen to unsustainable heights, of that there is no doubt. In 2010 it was £159 billion, by 2012 it had risen to a staggering £208 billion and that is something that needs to be addressed but unfortunately the government are attacking the wrong people. If they seriously want to make savings on the benefit bill they should look at those who benefit from the people on benefits, not those in receipt of benefits. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 26

12:31am Fri 13 Jun 14

Bob49 says...

"The governments policy of getting people off benefits and back to work is the only sustainable way of lifting people out of poverty."



Unfortunately mnay of those are not 'off benefits' as the wages are so low that they require tax credits and housing benefits to survive.

Maybe when the idle parasites who live off exorbitant rents are reined in then folk will not be living in poverty.

When scrounging farmers are stopped from poncing billions off the rest of us ie Richard Drax MP's half a million a year.

But then these are not 'benefits' they are efered to as subsidies, grants and expenses. Which allow your children to go to private school, your wife to swan around in a four by four and your house to be large enough not to have to isuffer any such thing as a bedroom tax.

Ooddily enough we are never told that we cannot afford these benefits.
"The governments policy of getting people off benefits and back to work is the only sustainable way of lifting people out of poverty." Unfortunately mnay of those are not 'off benefits' as the wages are so low that they require tax credits and housing benefits to survive. Maybe when the idle parasites who live off exorbitant rents are reined in then folk will not be living in poverty. When scrounging farmers are stopped from poncing billions off the rest of us ie Richard Drax MP's half a million a year. But then these are not 'benefits' they are efered to as subsidies, grants and expenses. Which allow your children to go to private school, your wife to swan around in a four by four and your house to be large enough not to have to isuffer any such thing as a bedroom tax. Ooddily enough we are never told that we cannot afford these benefits. Bob49
  • Score: 36

8:03am Fri 13 Jun 14

Bournemouthfan2 says...

misplacedspaniard wrote:
Bournemouthfan2 wrote:
Redgolfer wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
The current reforms to the benefits system are necessary because we suffered 13 years of a Labour government who allowed the system to get out of control and made claiming benefits a lifestyle choice. Unfortunately when you have hundreds of thousands of people dependent on taxpayer funded state benefits any reform is going to result in a small number of people falling through the net.
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The simple fact is the UK cannot afford to maintain the current level of benefits being paid out without increasing government debt or increasing taxation.
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Its not the government that charities should be attacking but the thousands of people who abuse the benefits system either by making fraudulent claims or cleverly manipulating the system to claim every last penny of benefits they can.
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Increasing state benefits isn't going to solve the problem of poverty. The governments policy of getting people off benefits and back to work is the only sustainable way of lifting people out of poverty. Benefits should never be more than a safety net for people who can work or used to support the most vulnerable.
My sentiments exactly but better choice of words than I could muster, maybe the fact that there are more people in employment, makes me think that there is a success in getting the workshy back into working and not claiming benefits.
I also agree. I am completely in favour of helping those that genuinely have no way of supporting themselves, but the standard of living in the UK has risen over the years and some peoples idea of poverty is not really poverty at all.
I have a couple of tenants who are not working and rely on benefits to help pay their rent. They have struggled with the changes to the social system over the past couple of years and I have done my bit to try to help them by letting them go into arrears or even not paying rent some months. But during the course of one conversation, they told me that they were living on the breadline and they 'even had to give up Sky tv and change their usual brand of cigarettes to roll your own' They are lovely tenants and have looked after my property for me and I would do what I could to avoid them having to move out, but I have to say that while they think they are living from hand to mouth, they obviously are not!
I am not saying that all people on benefits think the same way, but I wonder what some peoples idea of poverty really is?
Scummy landlords and one of the reasons austerity measures are in place so keep your mouth shut. Disgusting.
I am scratching my head, wondering why my comment has caused such an aggressive response., I gave been labelled disgusting for stating that I have done my best to try to help my struggling tenants???
I agree there are some landlords who charge exorbitant rents for slum property and I think like most people that this is terrible and would like to see them made to stop this behaviour. But I have one small flat that is rented for well below the current market rate to tenants that have been there a long time. They used to work but ill health forced them to stop working and are now claiming benefits. I am lucky that interest rates are low enabling me to help them by keeping the rent as low as I can. They are good tenants and deserve my help, but I was just commentating on the fact that their statement about being on the breadline because they had to give up Sky TV and branded cigarettes is not true and I wondered where some peoples expectations lay in what makes poverty.
If you disagree with my opinion then that is absolutely fine and you are entitled to this, but it is much fairer to disagree and then back this up with your own contrasting opinions which I would respond to in a fair manner. You are trying to make my comments less credible by putting me in the same category as the slum landlords without any knowledge to back this up, very easy to attack in this way, but if you consider yourself a reasonable person then please respond and I will be happy to discuss further with you.
[quote][p][bold]misplacedspaniard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournemouthfan2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redgolfer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: The current reforms to the benefits system are necessary because we suffered 13 years of a Labour government who allowed the system to get out of control and made claiming benefits a lifestyle choice. Unfortunately when you have hundreds of thousands of people dependent on taxpayer funded state benefits any reform is going to result in a small number of people falling through the net. . The simple fact is the UK cannot afford to maintain the current level of benefits being paid out without increasing government debt or increasing taxation. . Its not the government that charities should be attacking but the thousands of people who abuse the benefits system either by making fraudulent claims or cleverly manipulating the system to claim every last penny of benefits they can. . Increasing state benefits isn't going to solve the problem of poverty. The governments policy of getting people off benefits and back to work is the only sustainable way of lifting people out of poverty. Benefits should never be more than a safety net for people who can work or used to support the most vulnerable.[/p][/quote]My sentiments exactly but better choice of words than I could muster, maybe the fact that there are more people in employment, makes me think that there is a success in getting the workshy back into working and not claiming benefits.[/p][/quote]I also agree. I am completely in favour of helping those that genuinely have no way of supporting themselves, but the standard of living in the UK has risen over the years and some peoples idea of poverty is not really poverty at all. I have a couple of tenants who are not working and rely on benefits to help pay their rent. They have struggled with the changes to the social system over the past couple of years and I have done my bit to try to help them by letting them go into arrears or even not paying rent some months. But during the course of one conversation, they told me that they were living on the breadline and they 'even had to give up Sky tv and change their usual brand of cigarettes to roll your own' They are lovely tenants and have looked after my property for me and I would do what I could to avoid them having to move out, but I have to say that while they think they are living from hand to mouth, they obviously are not! I am not saying that all people on benefits think the same way, but I wonder what some peoples idea of poverty really is?[/p][/quote]Scummy landlords and one of the reasons austerity measures are in place so keep your mouth shut. Disgusting.[/p][/quote]I am scratching my head, wondering why my comment has caused such an aggressive response., I gave been labelled disgusting for stating that I have done my best to try to help my struggling tenants??? I agree there are some landlords who charge exorbitant rents for slum property and I think like most people that this is terrible and would like to see them made to stop this behaviour. But I have one small flat that is rented for well below the current market rate to tenants that have been there a long time. They used to work but ill health forced them to stop working and are now claiming benefits. I am lucky that interest rates are low enabling me to help them by keeping the rent as low as I can. They are good tenants and deserve my help, but I was just commentating on the fact that their statement about being on the breadline because they had to give up Sky TV and branded cigarettes is not true and I wondered where some peoples expectations lay in what makes poverty. If you disagree with my opinion then that is absolutely fine and you are entitled to this, but it is much fairer to disagree and then back this up with your own contrasting opinions which I would respond to in a fair manner. You are trying to make my comments less credible by putting me in the same category as the slum landlords without any knowledge to back this up, very easy to attack in this way, but if you consider yourself a reasonable person then please respond and I will be happy to discuss further with you. Bournemouthfan2
  • Score: 10

8:34am Fri 13 Jun 14

pauls55 says...

Everyone here should read the official figures by the governement itself .
Tax avoided,uncollected or evaded: 120 billion, Benefits unclaimed: 16 billion
Benefit fraud 1.2 billion. Now that puts all these idiotic right-wing comments in perspective doesn't it?
Everyone here should read the official figures by the governement itself . Tax avoided,uncollected or evaded: 120 billion, Benefits unclaimed: 16 billion Benefit fraud 1.2 billion. Now that puts all these idiotic right-wing comments in perspective doesn't it? pauls55
  • Score: 37

9:36am Fri 13 Jun 14

breamoreboy says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
I think the government are doing a great job of squeezing the bone idle. Most of them have been using the social security safety net as a hammock for years.

I'd go much further if I was in charge. I'd introduce a new 2 years and thats your lot cap on benefits in a persons lifetime.

Also, all unemployed have to sign on every day at 8am and 1PM to get benefit for that day. They would be required to turn up at the jobcentre looking smart, washed, shaved and ready for work.

Thats just for starters......
You just haven't got a clue as to the real world.
And you haven't got a clue
My qualifications in life. Born into very poor family. Brains and graft got me a successful career in engineering and computing. Paid the then highest rate tax of 40% and 11% NI. Long term ill health means I'm now living on £105 ESA, better than the £72ish JSA. Your qualifications?
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: I think the government are doing a great job of squeezing the bone idle. Most of them have been using the social security safety net as a hammock for years. I'd go much further if I was in charge. I'd introduce a new 2 years and thats your lot cap on benefits in a persons lifetime. Also, all unemployed have to sign on every day at 8am and 1PM to get benefit for that day. They would be required to turn up at the jobcentre looking smart, washed, shaved and ready for work. Thats just for starters......[/p][/quote]You just haven't got a clue as to the real world.[/p][/quote]And you haven't got a clue[/p][/quote]My qualifications in life. Born into very poor family. Brains and graft got me a successful career in engineering and computing. Paid the then highest rate tax of 40% and 11% NI. Long term ill health means I'm now living on £105 ESA, better than the £72ish JSA. Your qualifications? breamoreboy
  • Score: 26

10:30am Fri 13 Jun 14

MattGillett says...

breamoreboy wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
I think the government are doing a great job of squeezing the bone idle. Most of them have been using the social security safety net as a hammock for years.

I'd go much further if I was in charge. I'd introduce a new 2 years and thats your lot cap on benefits in a persons lifetime.

Also, all unemployed have to sign on every day at 8am and 1PM to get benefit for that day. They would be required to turn up at the jobcentre looking smart, washed, shaved and ready for work.

Thats just for starters......
You just haven't got a clue as to the real world.
And you haven't got a clue
My qualifications in life. Born into very poor family. Brains and graft got me a successful career in engineering and computing. Paid the then highest rate tax of 40% and 11% NI. Long term ill health means I'm now living on £105 ESA, better than the £72ish JSA. Your qualifications?
Well written,
I've not experienced poverty myself but as a volunteer I have come across many cases.
One example comes from a few years ago, a chap who 18 months previously had had £60k per year salary and £30k of savings. His mother became seriously ill. He used up all his savings for a work sabbatical, caring for her for the last eight months of her life. 6 months later he had a brain haemorrage. Whilst in hospital he missed some utilty and rent payments as he only had 5 days sick pay. He was surprised that his utility bills doubled, although he had assumed that it would be harder and more expensive to find accomodation. Pretty much on discharge, despite some brain damage, he was surprised that he was deemed fit and able to work even though his old career was out of the question and the best he could hope for was minimum wage. He was also surprised at the delays for benefits and that he literally had no money for food. He wanted to return to work but the only effective help he got for that was from volunteers.
This week 99.95%in the UK won't get emergency help from poverty and the vast majority of them don't need it. Including the guy in my story who now grafts at a low paid job at a local manufacturer, this is typical not exceptional. So unless you have some sort of experience of the cycles of vunerabilty please come either to learn or volunteer, rather than to criticize.
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: I think the government are doing a great job of squeezing the bone idle. Most of them have been using the social security safety net as a hammock for years. I'd go much further if I was in charge. I'd introduce a new 2 years and thats your lot cap on benefits in a persons lifetime. Also, all unemployed have to sign on every day at 8am and 1PM to get benefit for that day. They would be required to turn up at the jobcentre looking smart, washed, shaved and ready for work. Thats just for starters......[/p][/quote]You just haven't got a clue as to the real world.[/p][/quote]And you haven't got a clue[/p][/quote]My qualifications in life. Born into very poor family. Brains and graft got me a successful career in engineering and computing. Paid the then highest rate tax of 40% and 11% NI. Long term ill health means I'm now living on £105 ESA, better than the £72ish JSA. Your qualifications?[/p][/quote]Well written, I've not experienced poverty myself but as a volunteer I have come across many cases. One example comes from a few years ago, a chap who 18 months previously had had £60k per year salary and £30k of savings. His mother became seriously ill. He used up all his savings for a work sabbatical, caring for her for the last eight months of her life. 6 months later he had a brain haemorrage. Whilst in hospital he missed some utilty and rent payments as he only had 5 days sick pay. He was surprised that his utility bills doubled, although he had assumed that it would be harder and more expensive to find accomodation. Pretty much on discharge, despite some brain damage, he was surprised that he was deemed fit and able to work even though his old career was out of the question and the best he could hope for was minimum wage. He was also surprised at the delays for benefits and that he literally had no money for food. He wanted to return to work but the only effective help he got for that was from volunteers. This week 99.95%in the UK won't get emergency help from poverty and the vast majority of them don't need it. Including the guy in my story who now grafts at a low paid job at a local manufacturer, this is typical not exceptional. So unless you have some sort of experience of the cycles of vunerabilty please come either to learn or volunteer, rather than to criticize. MattGillett
  • Score: 33

1:13pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Rally says...

KitKatPuss wrote:
All of you being judgmental and spouting all of your ideas and various philosophies on what you would do if you ran the country need to just stop and take stock.....what is wrong with this world? I can tell you....hearing about a lady not being able to continue with chemotherapy because of benefits being cut....a man living on flour and water because of benefits being cut.....has anyone actually thought that maybe the above people need disability benefits because they are too ill to work?

Poverty is everywhere......and it really shouldn't be in the UK as we are one of the richest countries in the world!

There is something wrong with society (I include myself in this) when I am on the way to work and I see a homeless man sleeping in a dirty sleeping bag outside a luxury hotel.....and people just walk on by.
KitKatPuss wrote: 'There is something wrong with society (I include myself in this) when I am on the way to work and I see a homeless man sleeping in a dirty sleeping bag outside a luxury hotel.....and people just walk on by.'

And what do you do, KitKatPuss?
Do you take this hapless soul into your home, provide him with a bath, launder his clothing, give him a decent hot meal and then send him on his way?
Probably not.
Then, what is stopping you from being so charitable?
[quote][p][bold]KitKatPuss[/bold] wrote: All of you being judgmental and spouting all of your ideas and various philosophies on what you would do if you ran the country need to just stop and take stock.....what is wrong with this world? I can tell you....hearing about a lady not being able to continue with chemotherapy because of benefits being cut....a man living on flour and water because of benefits being cut.....has anyone actually thought that maybe the above people need disability benefits because they are too ill to work? Poverty is everywhere......and it really shouldn't be in the UK as we are one of the richest countries in the world! There is something wrong with society (I include myself in this) when I am on the way to work and I see a homeless man sleeping in a dirty sleeping bag outside a luxury hotel.....and people just walk on by.[/p][/quote]KitKatPuss wrote: 'There is something wrong with society (I include myself in this) when I am on the way to work and I see a homeless man sleeping in a dirty sleeping bag outside a luxury hotel.....and people just walk on by.' And what do you do, KitKatPuss? Do you take this hapless soul into your home, provide him with a bath, launder his clothing, give him a decent hot meal and then send him on his way? Probably not. Then, what is stopping you from being so charitable? Rally
  • Score: -13

1:52pm Fri 13 Jun 14

KitKatPuss says...

Rally wrote:
KitKatPuss wrote:
All of you being judgmental and spouting all of your ideas and various philosophies on what you would do if you ran the country need to just stop and take stock.....what is wrong with this world? I can tell you....hearing about a lady not being able to continue with chemotherapy because of benefits being cut....a man living on flour and water because of benefits being cut.....has anyone actually thought that maybe the above people need disability benefits because they are too ill to work?

Poverty is everywhere......and it really shouldn't be in the UK as we are one of the richest countries in the world!

There is something wrong with society (I include myself in this) when I am on the way to work and I see a homeless man sleeping in a dirty sleeping bag outside a luxury hotel.....and people just walk on by.
KitKatPuss wrote: 'There is something wrong with society (I include myself in this) when I am on the way to work and I see a homeless man sleeping in a dirty sleeping bag outside a luxury hotel.....and people just walk on by.'

And what do you do, KitKatPuss?
Do you take this hapless soul into your home, provide him with a bath, launder his clothing, give him a decent hot meal and then send him on his way?
Probably not.
Then, what is stopping you from being so charitable?
Please note that I did include myself in this comments that there is something wrong with society including myself.

Don't be having a go at me mate....I may not have taken this hapless soul into my home (for valid reasons)....however I am always buying food, drink and dog food for homeless people where I live.....I give regularly to a homeless charity....I help with rescue animals and have adopted a shelter dog myself....I also help to look after a disabled mother.......and I work over 40 hours per week.....

I've lived in poverty before and I was homeless at one stage in my life.

Are you doing anything to help?
[quote][p][bold]Rally[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KitKatPuss[/bold] wrote: All of you being judgmental and spouting all of your ideas and various philosophies on what you would do if you ran the country need to just stop and take stock.....what is wrong with this world? I can tell you....hearing about a lady not being able to continue with chemotherapy because of benefits being cut....a man living on flour and water because of benefits being cut.....has anyone actually thought that maybe the above people need disability benefits because they are too ill to work? Poverty is everywhere......and it really shouldn't be in the UK as we are one of the richest countries in the world! There is something wrong with society (I include myself in this) when I am on the way to work and I see a homeless man sleeping in a dirty sleeping bag outside a luxury hotel.....and people just walk on by.[/p][/quote]KitKatPuss wrote: 'There is something wrong with society (I include myself in this) when I am on the way to work and I see a homeless man sleeping in a dirty sleeping bag outside a luxury hotel.....and people just walk on by.' And what do you do, KitKatPuss? Do you take this hapless soul into your home, provide him with a bath, launder his clothing, give him a decent hot meal and then send him on his way? Probably not. Then, what is stopping you from being so charitable?[/p][/quote]Please note that I did include myself in this comments that there is something wrong with society including myself. Don't be having a go at me mate....I may not have taken this hapless soul into my home (for valid reasons)....however I am always buying food, drink and dog food for homeless people where I live.....I give regularly to a homeless charity....I help with rescue animals and have adopted a shelter dog myself....I also help to look after a disabled mother.......and I work over 40 hours per week..... I've lived in poverty before and I was homeless at one stage in my life. Are you doing anything to help? KitKatPuss
  • Score: 23

1:56pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Bournemouthfan2 says...

pauls55 wrote:
Everyone here should read the official figures by the governement itself .
Tax avoided,uncollected or evaded: 120 billion, Benefits unclaimed: 16 billion
Benefit fraud 1.2 billion. Now that puts all these idiotic right-wing comments in perspective doesn't it?
Hi Paul55. I am not disagreeing with your comments, but the figures quoted are not really in perspective because we have no idea of the overall percentage of tax payers/claimants that it applies to.
It all sounds a lot until you discover that (for example) that the figure of 120 billion tax uncollected equals just 1% of all tax paid but the amount of benefit fraud is 15% of all claims paid out, then suddenly it all looks a bit different.!
Note for those who are reading this, I am not saying my quoted percentages are likely to be correct and it may be that the tax avoided percentage figure is massively higher than the benefit fraud percentage figure which of course completely supports Paul55 comments.
If you do have actual stats and could provide them, it would be appreciated.
[quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: Everyone here should read the official figures by the governement itself . Tax avoided,uncollected or evaded: 120 billion, Benefits unclaimed: 16 billion Benefit fraud 1.2 billion. Now that puts all these idiotic right-wing comments in perspective doesn't it?[/p][/quote]Hi Paul55. I am not disagreeing with your comments, but the figures quoted are not really in perspective because we have no idea of the overall percentage of tax payers/claimants that it applies to. It all sounds a lot until you discover that (for example) that the figure of 120 billion tax uncollected equals just 1% of all tax paid but the amount of benefit fraud is 15% of all claims paid out, then suddenly it all looks a bit different.! Note for those who are reading this, I am not saying my quoted percentages are likely to be correct and it may be that the tax avoided percentage figure is massively higher than the benefit fraud percentage figure which of course completely supports Paul55 comments. If you do have actual stats and could provide them, it would be appreciated. Bournemouthfan2
  • Score: -9

2:22pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Mike R-B says...

pauls55 wrote:
Everyone here should read the official figures by the governement itself . Tax avoided,uncollected or evaded: 120 billion, Benefits unclaimed: 16 billion Benefit fraud 1.2 billion. Now that puts all these idiotic right-wing comments in perspective doesn't it?
Strange how this small breath of reality has not kwelled any of the wrath.
[quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: Everyone here should read the official figures by the governement itself . Tax avoided,uncollected or evaded: 120 billion, Benefits unclaimed: 16 billion Benefit fraud 1.2 billion. Now that puts all these idiotic right-wing comments in perspective doesn't it?[/p][/quote]Strange how this small breath of reality has not kwelled any of the wrath. Mike R-B
  • Score: 9

2:23pm Fri 13 Jun 14

elite50 says...

Baysider wrote:
elite50 wrote:
Baysider wrote:
elite50 wrote:
Just check out the comments.
If you dare suggest that people are responsible for their position in life the negatives are huge.
It seems that the "hands-out" majority can all afford a personal computer!
I was forced out of school at 14 because our family needed my income to sustain the food, fags and booze that was needed.
I have spent my whole life supporting my family.
I don't want, or need, a pat on the back.
What I need, after 72 years, is the next generation to try and drag my country back to the place it was at when I was born.
We (this country), used to rule the world.
I would like to see that the next lot :- Get up off of your backsides and DO SOMETHING to make this country great again.
I don't need your help, I have enough to eat and I don't drink much, or smoke!
Well if you're 72 then you contributed precisely zero to the building of the Empire you so dearly want to go back to yourself.

As a 72 year old you have enjoyed the longest period of peace in Europe ever, pretty much a lifetime of social security, free at the point of delivery health care, low housing costs and many years of near enough zero unemployment.


It's a bit rich then, that a pensioner currently enjoying levels of state income and a lifestyle that very few will be able to sustain in the future, is slating those who are for reasons almost certainly beyond their control suffering under this governments social security policies.


Worried there won't be enough left to pay your tv license or your heating allowance or for your free travel???
I have paid tax for over 50 years, never been un-employed always paid my way in life, helped support the council house users (my taxes).
I am so sick of listening to the "what about me" brigade.
Seems odd that in these so called "tough times" so many people agree with the mealy mouthed weaklings like you.
Suggest you and your ilk grow up!
Tick your little negatives about that and try and pretend to be adult.
You lot make me sick.
So which part of what I wrote was factually incorrect then? FWIW I've never claimed a penny in benefits either.

Do you not see the irony in your 'what about me?' statement btw?
You just made my case.
What I wrote was not a "what about me" statement.
I really don't care what you, or any-one else, thinks about me.
I live my life as I see fit.
Family first (always).
Queen and country second (I admit to being old fashioned).
My religion comes next (I would die for the first two before the last one).
The "hands out" mob come a long way behind the Cherries in my care list (I have watched 2 games in the last five years).
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elite50[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elite50[/bold] wrote: Just check out the comments. If you dare suggest that people are responsible for their position in life the negatives are huge. It seems that the "hands-out" majority can all afford a personal computer! I was forced out of school at 14 because our family needed my income to sustain the food, fags and booze that was needed. I have spent my whole life supporting my family. I don't want, or need, a pat on the back. What I need, after 72 years, is the next generation to try and drag my country back to the place it was at when I was born. We (this country), used to rule the world. I would like to see that the next lot :- Get up off of your backsides and DO SOMETHING to make this country great again. I don't need your help, I have enough to eat and I don't drink much, or smoke![/p][/quote]Well if you're 72 then you contributed precisely zero to the building of the Empire you so dearly want to go back to yourself. As a 72 year old you have enjoyed the longest period of peace in Europe ever, pretty much a lifetime of social security, free at the point of delivery health care, low housing costs and many years of near enough zero unemployment. It's a bit rich then, that a pensioner currently enjoying levels of state income and a lifestyle that very few will be able to sustain in the future, is slating those who are for reasons almost certainly beyond their control suffering under this governments social security policies. Worried there won't be enough left to pay your tv license or your heating allowance or for your free travel???[/p][/quote]I have paid tax for over 50 years, never been un-employed always paid my way in life, helped support the council house users (my taxes). I am so sick of listening to the "what about me" brigade. Seems odd that in these so called "tough times" so many people agree with the mealy mouthed weaklings like you. Suggest you and your ilk grow up! Tick your little negatives about that and try and pretend to be adult. You lot make me sick.[/p][/quote]So which part of what I wrote was factually incorrect then? FWIW I've never claimed a penny in benefits either. Do you not see the irony in your 'what about me?' statement btw?[/p][/quote]You just made my case. What I wrote was not a "what about me" statement. I really don't care what you, or any-one else, thinks about me. I live my life as I see fit. Family first (always). Queen and country second (I admit to being old fashioned). My religion comes next (I would die for the first two before the last one). The "hands out" mob come a long way behind the Cherries in my care list (I have watched 2 games in the last five years). elite50
  • Score: -12

6:12pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Baysider says...

elite50 wrote:
Baysider wrote:
elite50 wrote:
Baysider wrote:
elite50 wrote:
Just check out the comments.
If you dare suggest that people are responsible for their position in life the negatives are huge.
It seems that the "hands-out" majority can all afford a personal computer!
I was forced out of school at 14 because our family needed my income to sustain the food, fags and booze that was needed.
I have spent my whole life supporting my family.
I don't want, or need, a pat on the back.
What I need, after 72 years, is the next generation to try and drag my country back to the place it was at when I was born.
We (this country), used to rule the world.
I would like to see that the next lot :- Get up off of your backsides and DO SOMETHING to make this country great again.
I don't need your help, I have enough to eat and I don't drink much, or smoke!
Well if you're 72 then you contributed precisely zero to the building of the Empire you so dearly want to go back to yourself.

As a 72 year old you have enjoyed the longest period of peace in Europe ever, pretty much a lifetime of social security, free at the point of delivery health care, low housing costs and many years of near enough zero unemployment.


It's a bit rich then, that a pensioner currently enjoying levels of state income and a lifestyle that very few will be able to sustain in the future, is slating those who are for reasons almost certainly beyond their control suffering under this governments social security policies.


Worried there won't be enough left to pay your tv license or your heating allowance or for your free travel???
I have paid tax for over 50 years, never been un-employed always paid my way in life, helped support the council house users (my taxes).
I am so sick of listening to the "what about me" brigade.
Seems odd that in these so called "tough times" so many people agree with the mealy mouthed weaklings like you.
Suggest you and your ilk grow up!
Tick your little negatives about that and try and pretend to be adult.
You lot make me sick.
So which part of what I wrote was factually incorrect then? FWIW I've never claimed a penny in benefits either.

Do you not see the irony in your 'what about me?' statement btw?
You just made my case.
What I wrote was not a "what about me" statement.
I really don't care what you, or any-one else, thinks about me.
I live my life as I see fit.
Family first (always).
Queen and country second (I admit to being old fashioned).
My religion comes next (I would die for the first two before the last one).
The "hands out" mob come a long way behind the Cherries in my care list (I have watched 2 games in the last five years).
I'll ask again, which part of what I wrote was factually incorrect?
[quote][p][bold]elite50[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elite50[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elite50[/bold] wrote: Just check out the comments. If you dare suggest that people are responsible for their position in life the negatives are huge. It seems that the "hands-out" majority can all afford a personal computer! I was forced out of school at 14 because our family needed my income to sustain the food, fags and booze that was needed. I have spent my whole life supporting my family. I don't want, or need, a pat on the back. What I need, after 72 years, is the next generation to try and drag my country back to the place it was at when I was born. We (this country), used to rule the world. I would like to see that the next lot :- Get up off of your backsides and DO SOMETHING to make this country great again. I don't need your help, I have enough to eat and I don't drink much, or smoke![/p][/quote]Well if you're 72 then you contributed precisely zero to the building of the Empire you so dearly want to go back to yourself. As a 72 year old you have enjoyed the longest period of peace in Europe ever, pretty much a lifetime of social security, free at the point of delivery health care, low housing costs and many years of near enough zero unemployment. It's a bit rich then, that a pensioner currently enjoying levels of state income and a lifestyle that very few will be able to sustain in the future, is slating those who are for reasons almost certainly beyond their control suffering under this governments social security policies. Worried there won't be enough left to pay your tv license or your heating allowance or for your free travel???[/p][/quote]I have paid tax for over 50 years, never been un-employed always paid my way in life, helped support the council house users (my taxes). I am so sick of listening to the "what about me" brigade. Seems odd that in these so called "tough times" so many people agree with the mealy mouthed weaklings like you. Suggest you and your ilk grow up! Tick your little negatives about that and try and pretend to be adult. You lot make me sick.[/p][/quote]So which part of what I wrote was factually incorrect then? FWIW I've never claimed a penny in benefits either. Do you not see the irony in your 'what about me?' statement btw?[/p][/quote]You just made my case. What I wrote was not a "what about me" statement. I really don't care what you, or any-one else, thinks about me. I live my life as I see fit. Family first (always). Queen and country second (I admit to being old fashioned). My religion comes next (I would die for the first two before the last one). The "hands out" mob come a long way behind the Cherries in my care list (I have watched 2 games in the last five years).[/p][/quote]I'll ask again, which part of what I wrote was factually incorrect? Baysider
  • Score: 6

10:59pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Baysider says...

Baysider wrote:
elite50 wrote:
Baysider wrote:
elite50 wrote:
Baysider wrote:
elite50 wrote:
Just check out the comments.
If you dare suggest that people are responsible for their position in life the negatives are huge.
It seems that the "hands-out" majority can all afford a personal computer!
I was forced out of school at 14 because our family needed my income to sustain the food, fags and booze that was needed.
I have spent my whole life supporting my family.
I don't want, or need, a pat on the back.
What I need, after 72 years, is the next generation to try and drag my country back to the place it was at when I was born.
We (this country), used to rule the world.
I would like to see that the next lot :- Get up off of your backsides and DO SOMETHING to make this country great again.
I don't need your help, I have enough to eat and I don't drink much, or smoke!
Well if you're 72 then you contributed precisely zero to the building of the Empire you so dearly want to go back to yourself.

As a 72 year old you have enjoyed the longest period of peace in Europe ever, pretty much a lifetime of social security, free at the point of delivery health care, low housing costs and many years of near enough zero unemployment.


It's a bit rich then, that a pensioner currently enjoying levels of state income and a lifestyle that very few will be able to sustain in the future, is slating those who are for reasons almost certainly beyond their control suffering under this governments social security policies.


Worried there won't be enough left to pay your tv license or your heating allowance or for your free travel???
I have paid tax for over 50 years, never been un-employed always paid my way in life, helped support the council house users (my taxes).
I am so sick of listening to the "what about me" brigade.
Seems odd that in these so called "tough times" so many people agree with the mealy mouthed weaklings like you.
Suggest you and your ilk grow up!
Tick your little negatives about that and try and pretend to be adult.
You lot make me sick.
So which part of what I wrote was factually incorrect then? FWIW I've never claimed a penny in benefits either.

Do you not see the irony in your 'what about me?' statement btw?
You just made my case.
What I wrote was not a "what about me" statement.
I really don't care what you, or any-one else, thinks about me.
I live my life as I see fit.
Family first (always).
Queen and country second (I admit to being old fashioned).
My religion comes next (I would die for the first two before the last one).
The "hands out" mob come a long way behind the Cherries in my care list (I have watched 2 games in the last five years).
I'll ask again, which part of what I wrote was factually incorrect?
Oh well, I tried...
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elite50[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elite50[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elite50[/bold] wrote: Just check out the comments. If you dare suggest that people are responsible for their position in life the negatives are huge. It seems that the "hands-out" majority can all afford a personal computer! I was forced out of school at 14 because our family needed my income to sustain the food, fags and booze that was needed. I have spent my whole life supporting my family. I don't want, or need, a pat on the back. What I need, after 72 years, is the next generation to try and drag my country back to the place it was at when I was born. We (this country), used to rule the world. I would like to see that the next lot :- Get up off of your backsides and DO SOMETHING to make this country great again. I don't need your help, I have enough to eat and I don't drink much, or smoke![/p][/quote]Well if you're 72 then you contributed precisely zero to the building of the Empire you so dearly want to go back to yourself. As a 72 year old you have enjoyed the longest period of peace in Europe ever, pretty much a lifetime of social security, free at the point of delivery health care, low housing costs and many years of near enough zero unemployment. It's a bit rich then, that a pensioner currently enjoying levels of state income and a lifestyle that very few will be able to sustain in the future, is slating those who are for reasons almost certainly beyond their control suffering under this governments social security policies. Worried there won't be enough left to pay your tv license or your heating allowance or for your free travel???[/p][/quote]I have paid tax for over 50 years, never been un-employed always paid my way in life, helped support the council house users (my taxes). I am so sick of listening to the "what about me" brigade. Seems odd that in these so called "tough times" so many people agree with the mealy mouthed weaklings like you. Suggest you and your ilk grow up! Tick your little negatives about that and try and pretend to be adult. You lot make me sick.[/p][/quote]So which part of what I wrote was factually incorrect then? FWIW I've never claimed a penny in benefits either. Do you not see the irony in your 'what about me?' statement btw?[/p][/quote]You just made my case. What I wrote was not a "what about me" statement. I really don't care what you, or any-one else, thinks about me. I live my life as I see fit. Family first (always). Queen and country second (I admit to being old fashioned). My religion comes next (I would die for the first two before the last one). The "hands out" mob come a long way behind the Cherries in my care list (I have watched 2 games in the last five years).[/p][/quote]I'll ask again, which part of what I wrote was factually incorrect?[/p][/quote]Oh well, I tried... Baysider
  • Score: -4

3:00am Sat 14 Jun 14

Rally says...

KitKatPuss wrote:
Rally wrote:
KitKatPuss wrote:
All of you being judgmental and spouting all of your ideas and various philosophies on what you would do if you ran the country need to just stop and take stock.....what is wrong with this world? I can tell you....hearing about a lady not being able to continue with chemotherapy because of benefits being cut....a man living on flour and water because of benefits being cut.....has anyone actually thought that maybe the above people need disability benefits because they are too ill to work?

Poverty is everywhere......and it really shouldn't be in the UK as we are one of the richest countries in the world!

There is something wrong with society (I include myself in this) when I am on the way to work and I see a homeless man sleeping in a dirty sleeping bag outside a luxury hotel.....and people just walk on by.
KitKatPuss wrote: 'There is something wrong with society (I include myself in this) when I am on the way to work and I see a homeless man sleeping in a dirty sleeping bag outside a luxury hotel.....and people just walk on by.'

And what do you do, KitKatPuss?
Do you take this hapless soul into your home, provide him with a bath, launder his clothing, give him a decent hot meal and then send him on his way?
Probably not.
Then, what is stopping you from being so charitable?
Please note that I did include myself in this comments that there is something wrong with society including myself.

Don't be having a go at me mate....I may not have taken this hapless soul into my home (for valid reasons)....however I am always buying food, drink and dog food for homeless people where I live.....I give regularly to a homeless charity....I help with rescue animals and have adopted a shelter dog myself....I also help to look after a disabled mother.......and I work over 40 hours per week.....

I've lived in poverty before and I was homeless at one stage in my life.

Are you doing anything to help?
KitKatPuss wrote: '....I may not have taken this hapless soul into my home (for valid reasons)....

In all probability the majority of people who avoid helping directly homeless people do so for 'for valid reasons'.

KitKatPuss wrote: '...however I am always buying food, drink and dog food for homeless people where I live.....I give regularly to a homeless charity....I help with rescue animals and have adopted a shelter dog myself....I also help to look after a disabled mother.......and I work over 40 hours per week....'

Highly commendable, I'm sure.

KitKatPuss wrote: 'I've lived in poverty before and I was homeless at one stage in my life. Are you doing anything to help?

I was brought up in the early 1950s as a member of a large family (2 adults and 9 children) with only one adult in work, so I too have first hand experience of real poverty.
I had the misfortune to be homeless and destitute when in my twenties (admittedly, partly my own fault), so I guess that makes us pretty even. :)

As for the question: 'Are you doing anything to help?'

In a word, no.
[quote][p][bold]KitKatPuss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rally[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KitKatPuss[/bold] wrote: All of you being judgmental and spouting all of your ideas and various philosophies on what you would do if you ran the country need to just stop and take stock.....what is wrong with this world? I can tell you....hearing about a lady not being able to continue with chemotherapy because of benefits being cut....a man living on flour and water because of benefits being cut.....has anyone actually thought that maybe the above people need disability benefits because they are too ill to work? Poverty is everywhere......and it really shouldn't be in the UK as we are one of the richest countries in the world! There is something wrong with society (I include myself in this) when I am on the way to work and I see a homeless man sleeping in a dirty sleeping bag outside a luxury hotel.....and people just walk on by.[/p][/quote]KitKatPuss wrote: 'There is something wrong with society (I include myself in this) when I am on the way to work and I see a homeless man sleeping in a dirty sleeping bag outside a luxury hotel.....and people just walk on by.' And what do you do, KitKatPuss? Do you take this hapless soul into your home, provide him with a bath, launder his clothing, give him a decent hot meal and then send him on his way? Probably not. Then, what is stopping you from being so charitable?[/p][/quote]Please note that I did include myself in this comments that there is something wrong with society including myself. Don't be having a go at me mate....I may not have taken this hapless soul into my home (for valid reasons)....however I am always buying food, drink and dog food for homeless people where I live.....I give regularly to a homeless charity....I help with rescue animals and have adopted a shelter dog myself....I also help to look after a disabled mother.......and I work over 40 hours per week..... I've lived in poverty before and I was homeless at one stage in my life. Are you doing anything to help?[/p][/quote]KitKatPuss wrote: '....I may not have taken this hapless soul into my home (for valid reasons).... In all probability the majority of people who avoid helping directly homeless people do so for 'for valid reasons'. KitKatPuss wrote: '...however I am always buying food, drink and dog food for homeless people where I live.....I give regularly to a homeless charity....I help with rescue animals and have adopted a shelter dog myself....I also help to look after a disabled mother.......and I work over 40 hours per week....' Highly commendable, I'm sure. KitKatPuss wrote: 'I've lived in poverty before and I was homeless at one stage in my life. Are you doing anything to help? I was brought up in the early 1950s as a member of a large family (2 adults and 9 children) with only one adult in work, so I too have first hand experience of real poverty. I had the misfortune to be homeless and destitute when in my twenties (admittedly, partly my own fault), so I guess that makes us pretty even. :) As for the question: 'Are you doing anything to help?' In a word, no. Rally
  • Score: -11

2:56pm Sat 14 Jun 14

pete woodley says...

elite50 wrote:
Just check out the comments.
If you dare suggest that people are responsible for their position in life the negatives are huge.
It seems that the "hands-out" majority can all afford a personal computer!
I was forced out of school at 14 because our family needed my income to sustain the food, fags and booze that was needed.
I have spent my whole life supporting my family.
I don't want, or need, a pat on the back.
What I need, after 72 years, is the next generation to try and drag my country back to the place it was at when I was born.
We (this country), used to rule the world.
I would like to see that the next lot :- Get up off of your backsides and DO SOMETHING to make this country great again.
I don't need your help, I have enough to eat and I don't drink much, or smoke!
Well said,the truth hurts,but you are dead right,
[quote][p][bold]elite50[/bold] wrote: Just check out the comments. If you dare suggest that people are responsible for their position in life the negatives are huge. It seems that the "hands-out" majority can all afford a personal computer! I was forced out of school at 14 because our family needed my income to sustain the food, fags and booze that was needed. I have spent my whole life supporting my family. I don't want, or need, a pat on the back. What I need, after 72 years, is the next generation to try and drag my country back to the place it was at when I was born. We (this country), used to rule the world. I would like to see that the next lot :- Get up off of your backsides and DO SOMETHING to make this country great again. I don't need your help, I have enough to eat and I don't drink much, or smoke![/p][/quote]Well said,the truth hurts,but you are dead right, pete woodley
  • Score: -13

4:07pm Sat 14 Jun 14

stevobath says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
The benefits bill in Britain today have risen to unsustainable heights, of that there is no doubt. In 2010 it was £159 billion, by 2012 it had risen to a staggering £208 billion and that is something that needs to be addressed but unfortunately the government are attacking the wrong people. If they seriously want to make savings on the benefit bill they should look at those who benefit from the people on benefits, not those in receipt of benefits.
The people who often moan the most are those who have benefitted from years of prosperity, Council housing sold off on the cheap, free University places etc.
Those who supported selling off school playing fields etc just to keep their taxes down in the 80's are now pontificating about 'fat kids'. etc.

I hope certain posters hurry up & shift off this mortal coil. We won't have to hear about

'When I was in security. When I stood as a Councillor (failed).
This government has surely done a great job in demonising ANYONE on benefits. How about the government mentioning the £120+ billions a year saved by those who care for disabled loved ones, a fair few who are CHILDREN & also carers who themselves are ill & struggle>

How about the £19 + billions UNCLAIMED in benefits that people are entitled too?
There are some hateful Right Wing people who comment on here. Yes there are people who take the PI** out of the system but ultimately they are in the minority.
If anyone think you can live a party life on around £70 a week, you must be on some kind of drug or reading regular crap like The Mail..
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: The benefits bill in Britain today have risen to unsustainable heights, of that there is no doubt. In 2010 it was £159 billion, by 2012 it had risen to a staggering £208 billion and that is something that needs to be addressed but unfortunately the government are attacking the wrong people. If they seriously want to make savings on the benefit bill they should look at those who benefit from the people on benefits, not those in receipt of benefits.[/p][/quote]The people who often moan the most are those who have benefitted from years of prosperity, Council housing sold off on the cheap, free University places etc. Those who supported selling off school playing fields etc just to keep their taxes down in the 80's are now pontificating about 'fat kids'. etc. I hope certain posters hurry up & shift off this mortal coil. We won't have to hear about 'When I was in security. When I stood as a Councillor (failed). This government has surely done a great job in demonising ANYONE on benefits. How about the government mentioning the £120+ billions a year saved by those who care for disabled loved ones, a fair few who are CHILDREN & also carers who themselves are ill & struggle> How about the £19 + billions UNCLAIMED in benefits that people are entitled too? There are some hateful Right Wing people who comment on here. Yes there are people who take the PI** out of the system but ultimately they are in the minority. If anyone think you can live a party life on around £70 a week, you must be on some kind of drug or reading regular crap like The Mail.. stevobath
  • Score: 27

5:46pm Sat 14 Jun 14

AlvaroB says...

Those who think life on benefits is great, I can tell you it is NOT.
Receiving just over £70 a week, I can barely afford to eat (I'm Diabetic and have a lot of other health issues) as I'm trying to pay as many bills as I can.
However there's not enough money coming in to cover all the bills, and I'm now in debt (thanks to the DWP). I'm talking about utility bills, rent, council tax etc, not paying for Sky tv, cigarettes, alcohol, clothing and goodies from catalogues and shopping channels. I'm STILL waiting for my PIP assessment, almost NINE months after my papers were sent in to the DWP. So, before you all start mouthing off about the 'fat cat' lifestyle us on benefits lead, try listening to the real story of real people who are suffering poverty and can't afford food, nor sleep at night for the worry of the debt that the DWP has forced us into. Sick of people who think they know it all, because the press like to highlight those taking the rise out of the system and milking it for all they're worth. They're nothing better than fraudsters.
Those who think life on benefits is great, I can tell you it is NOT. Receiving just over £70 a week, I can barely afford to eat (I'm Diabetic and have a lot of other health issues) as I'm trying to pay as many bills as I can. However there's not enough money coming in to cover all the bills, and I'm now in debt (thanks to the DWP). I'm talking about utility bills, rent, council tax etc, not paying for Sky tv, cigarettes, alcohol, clothing and goodies from catalogues and shopping channels. I'm STILL waiting for my PIP assessment, almost NINE months after my papers were sent in to the DWP. So, before you all start mouthing off about the 'fat cat' lifestyle us on benefits lead, try listening to the real story of real people who are suffering poverty and can't afford food, nor sleep at night for the worry of the debt that the DWP has forced us into. Sick of people who think they know it all, because the press like to highlight those taking the rise out of the system and milking it for all they're worth. They're nothing better than fraudsters. AlvaroB
  • Score: 32

4:50pm Sun 15 Jun 14

sootys mum says...

As someone who is disabled and has a disabled husband who is unable to work, I obviously support benefit payments. The concern is that there are many people making illegal claims and should not be receiving them. The problem is that untrained and not very bright people are assessing the complicated needs of those claiming. Perhaps some of the claimants should have reports from their own doctors to ensure that these idiots understand the condition. Then look at the limits that you are expected to live on!
As someone who is disabled and has a disabled husband who is unable to work, I obviously support benefit payments. The concern is that there are many people making illegal claims and should not be receiving them. The problem is that untrained and not very bright people are assessing the complicated needs of those claiming. Perhaps some of the claimants should have reports from their own doctors to ensure that these idiots understand the condition. Then look at the limits that you are expected to live on! sootys mum
  • Score: 5

8:29pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Avengerboy says...

Historically weaker members of the tribe were allowed to die off.
Historically weaker members of the tribe were allowed to die off. Avengerboy
  • Score: -8

9:07pm Mon 16 Jun 14

breamoreboy says...

Avengerboy wrote:
Historically weaker members of the tribe were allowed to die off.
Unless you were unfortunate enough to be disabled and German in the 1930s, in which case your demise was hastened by Mr. A. Hitler and Co.
[quote][p][bold]Avengerboy[/bold] wrote: Historically weaker members of the tribe were allowed to die off.[/p][/quote]Unless you were unfortunate enough to be disabled and German in the 1930s, in which case your demise was hastened by Mr. A. Hitler and Co. breamoreboy
  • Score: 5

11:38pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

stevobath wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
The benefits bill in Britain today have risen to unsustainable heights, of that there is no doubt. In 2010 it was £159 billion, by 2012 it had risen to a staggering £208 billion and that is something that needs to be addressed but unfortunately the government are attacking the wrong people. If they seriously want to make savings on the benefit bill they should look at those who benefit from the people on benefits, not those in receipt of benefits.
The people who often moan the most are those who have benefitted from years of prosperity, Council housing sold off on the cheap, free University places etc.
Those who supported selling off school playing fields etc just to keep their taxes down in the 80's are now pontificating about 'fat kids'. etc.

I hope certain posters hurry up & shift off this mortal coil. We won't have to hear about

'When I was in security. When I stood as a Councillor (failed).
This government has surely done a great job in demonising ANYONE on benefits. How about the government mentioning the £120+ billions a year saved by those who care for disabled loved ones, a fair few who are CHILDREN & also carers who themselves are ill & struggle>

How about the £19 + billions UNCLAIMED in benefits that people are entitled too?
There are some hateful Right Wing people who comment on here. Yes there are people who take the PI** out of the system but ultimately they are in the minority.
If anyone think you can live a party life on around £70 a week, you must be on some kind of drug or reading regular crap like The Mail..
Totally agree with what you have said, what I do not understand is why did you quote me in your comment?
[quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: The benefits bill in Britain today have risen to unsustainable heights, of that there is no doubt. In 2010 it was £159 billion, by 2012 it had risen to a staggering £208 billion and that is something that needs to be addressed but unfortunately the government are attacking the wrong people. If they seriously want to make savings on the benefit bill they should look at those who benefit from the people on benefits, not those in receipt of benefits.[/p][/quote]The people who often moan the most are those who have benefitted from years of prosperity, Council housing sold off on the cheap, free University places etc. Those who supported selling off school playing fields etc just to keep their taxes down in the 80's are now pontificating about 'fat kids'. etc. I hope certain posters hurry up & shift off this mortal coil. We won't have to hear about 'When I was in security. When I stood as a Councillor (failed). This government has surely done a great job in demonising ANYONE on benefits. How about the government mentioning the £120+ billions a year saved by those who care for disabled loved ones, a fair few who are CHILDREN & also carers who themselves are ill & struggle> How about the £19 + billions UNCLAIMED in benefits that people are entitled too? There are some hateful Right Wing people who comment on here. Yes there are people who take the PI** out of the system but ultimately they are in the minority. If anyone think you can live a party life on around £70 a week, you must be on some kind of drug or reading regular crap like The Mail..[/p][/quote]Totally agree with what you have said, what I do not understand is why did you quote me in your comment? Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 2

10:10am Tue 17 Jun 14

wurmwhole says...

Rally wrote:
KitKatPuss wrote:
Rally wrote:
KitKatPuss wrote:
All of you being judgmental and spouting all of your ideas and various philosophies on what you would do if you ran the country need to just stop and take stock.....what is wrong with this world? I can tell you....hearing about a lady not being able to continue with chemotherapy because of benefits being cut....a man living on flour and water because of benefits being cut.....has anyone actually thought that maybe the above people need disability benefits because they are too ill to work?

Poverty is everywhere......and it really shouldn't be in the UK as we are one of the richest countries in the world!

There is something wrong with society (I include myself in this) when I am on the way to work and I see a homeless man sleeping in a dirty sleeping bag outside a luxury hotel.....and people just walk on by.
KitKatPuss wrote: 'There is something wrong with society (I include myself in this) when I am on the way to work and I see a homeless man sleeping in a dirty sleeping bag outside a luxury hotel.....and people just walk on by.'

And what do you do, KitKatPuss?
Do you take this hapless soul into your home, provide him with a bath, launder his clothing, give him a decent hot meal and then send him on his way?
Probably not.
Then, what is stopping you from being so charitable?
Please note that I did include myself in this comments that there is something wrong with society including myself.

Don't be having a go at me mate....I may not have taken this hapless soul into my home (for valid reasons)....however I am always buying food, drink and dog food for homeless people where I live.....I give regularly to a homeless charity....I help with rescue animals and have adopted a shelter dog myself....I also help to look after a disabled mother.......and I work over 40 hours per week.....

I've lived in poverty before and I was homeless at one stage in my life.

Are you doing anything to help?
KitKatPuss wrote: '....I may not have taken this hapless soul into my home (for valid reasons)....

In all probability the majority of people who avoid helping directly homeless people do so for 'for valid reasons'.

KitKatPuss wrote: '...however I am always buying food, drink and dog food for homeless people where I live.....I give regularly to a homeless charity....I help with rescue animals and have adopted a shelter dog myself....I also help to look after a disabled mother.......and I work over 40 hours per week....'

Highly commendable, I'm sure.

KitKatPuss wrote: 'I've lived in poverty before and I was homeless at one stage in my life. Are you doing anything to help?

I was brought up in the early 1950s as a member of a large family (2 adults and 9 children) with only one adult in work, so I too have first hand experience of real poverty.
I had the misfortune to be homeless and destitute when in my twenties (admittedly, partly my own fault), so I guess that makes us pretty even. :)

As for the question: 'Are you doing anything to help?'

In a word, no.
Just thought id comment here. I have been homeless and skint in the past but not for about 20 years, I am disabled and do receive ESA & DLA so i dont consider myself living in poverty, in the past I have begged on the street and was gratefull for every bit of change cup of coffee or even a pasty given.. I dont give money to p*** heads but will always give a bit of change to somebody begging if ive got it or a quid to big issue sellers, I dont read the big issue.Not all beggers are dropouts or wasters, some have serious problems and ive met many. I think do what you can for the less fortunate every little helps.
[quote][p][bold]Rally[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KitKatPuss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rally[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KitKatPuss[/bold] wrote: All of you being judgmental and spouting all of your ideas and various philosophies on what you would do if you ran the country need to just stop and take stock.....what is wrong with this world? I can tell you....hearing about a lady not being able to continue with chemotherapy because of benefits being cut....a man living on flour and water because of benefits being cut.....has anyone actually thought that maybe the above people need disability benefits because they are too ill to work? Poverty is everywhere......and it really shouldn't be in the UK as we are one of the richest countries in the world! There is something wrong with society (I include myself in this) when I am on the way to work and I see a homeless man sleeping in a dirty sleeping bag outside a luxury hotel.....and people just walk on by.[/p][/quote]KitKatPuss wrote: 'There is something wrong with society (I include myself in this) when I am on the way to work and I see a homeless man sleeping in a dirty sleeping bag outside a luxury hotel.....and people just walk on by.' And what do you do, KitKatPuss? Do you take this hapless soul into your home, provide him with a bath, launder his clothing, give him a decent hot meal and then send him on his way? Probably not. Then, what is stopping you from being so charitable?[/p][/quote]Please note that I did include myself in this comments that there is something wrong with society including myself. Don't be having a go at me mate....I may not have taken this hapless soul into my home (for valid reasons)....however I am always buying food, drink and dog food for homeless people where I live.....I give regularly to a homeless charity....I help with rescue animals and have adopted a shelter dog myself....I also help to look after a disabled mother.......and I work over 40 hours per week..... I've lived in poverty before and I was homeless at one stage in my life. Are you doing anything to help?[/p][/quote]KitKatPuss wrote: '....I may not have taken this hapless soul into my home (for valid reasons).... In all probability the majority of people who avoid helping directly homeless people do so for 'for valid reasons'. KitKatPuss wrote: '...however I am always buying food, drink and dog food for homeless people where I live.....I give regularly to a homeless charity....I help with rescue animals and have adopted a shelter dog myself....I also help to look after a disabled mother.......and I work over 40 hours per week....' Highly commendable, I'm sure. KitKatPuss wrote: 'I've lived in poverty before and I was homeless at one stage in my life. Are you doing anything to help? I was brought up in the early 1950s as a member of a large family (2 adults and 9 children) with only one adult in work, so I too have first hand experience of real poverty. I had the misfortune to be homeless and destitute when in my twenties (admittedly, partly my own fault), so I guess that makes us pretty even. :) As for the question: 'Are you doing anything to help?' In a word, no.[/p][/quote]Just thought id comment here. I have been homeless and skint in the past but not for about 20 years, I am disabled and do receive ESA & DLA so i dont consider myself living in poverty, in the past I have begged on the street and was gratefull for every bit of change cup of coffee or even a pasty given.. I dont give money to p*** heads but will always give a bit of change to somebody begging if ive got it or a quid to big issue sellers, I dont read the big issue.Not all beggers are dropouts or wasters, some have serious problems and ive met many. I think do what you can for the less fortunate every little helps. wurmwhole
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1:47pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Xbscmbe says...

I agree with Mr Bristow (POOLE CAB) in that there are those needy people who cannot work for health reasons and that they should get assistance in the form of benefits. This should be extended to vulnerable adults as well as they cannot be expected to work because of their inherent disability and should be able to maintain a decent living standard albeit in a care home. By all means do a means test but do not tar all benefit households with the same brush and be more reasonable than a hard and fast unbreakable rule.
I came to this country with hope of finding employment but found that the employment system does not really cater for those from abroad (not Eu) and was forced to request benefits and the housing benefits decreased overnight by 145 GBP which is due to bedroom tax so rent could not be paid in full. BM housing would not recognise my 22 yr old daughter, who has a severe learning disabilty, as a dependent even after appealing. Due to this cut and having no employment, even after literally hundeds of job applications, and no JSA allowance as the BM jOBCENTRE HAD LOST MY SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS but did not bother to advise me. I attended every interview for 2 months until my departure from UK and was not informed once, that my docs had been lost by their inefficient personnel We also had to use the BM Foodbank and my heartfelt gratitude goes out to them.But to cut a long story short we were forced to leave UK even though I have a full British passport and wanted to work.My daughter could not apply for benefits due to her visa having a restriction of "No recourse to public funds" but had to suffer as SHE WAS NOT RECOGNISED AS A DEPENDENT. What was I supposed to with her? just throw her out ??? I think not!
She had met a friend whom she is deeply in love with and he with her. But now I wonder if they will ever be able to live their lives in each other company like we all take for granted?? She is now quite sad at this prospect all because of a hard and fast rigid rule.
This whole thing of benefits and the increasing cost, I feel, came about because employers do not pay a living wage but force their employees to accept a low wage and claim working tax credits which to the employers is a form of salary subsidisation (from the govt) saving the employer many thousands of pounds. Govt should bring about a living wage law (not to be confused with min wage) and curtail job sharing where an employer employs 2 people (1 in am :1 in pm) to pay low wages as they are not considered full time employees hence the low wages. It is not the so called lazy that cost this exhorbitant sum in benefits but all the underpaid employees claiming workingtax credits!
Those of you with sarcastic or unkind remarks keep them to yourselves.
I agree with Mr Bristow (POOLE CAB) in that there are those needy people who cannot work for health reasons and that they should get assistance in the form of benefits. This should be extended to vulnerable adults as well as they cannot be expected to work because of their inherent disability and should be able to maintain a decent living standard albeit in a care home. By all means do a means test but do not tar all benefit households with the same brush and be more reasonable than a hard and fast unbreakable rule. I came to this country with hope of finding employment but found that the employment system does not really cater for those from abroad (not Eu) and was forced to request benefits and the housing benefits decreased overnight by 145 GBP which is due to bedroom tax so rent could not be paid in full. BM housing would not recognise my 22 yr old daughter, who has a severe learning disabilty, as a dependent even after appealing. Due to this cut and having no employment, even after literally hundeds of job applications, and no JSA allowance as the BM jOBCENTRE HAD LOST MY SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS but did not bother to advise me. I attended every interview for 2 months until my departure from UK and was not informed once, that my docs had been lost by their inefficient personnel We also had to use the BM Foodbank and my heartfelt gratitude goes out to them.But to cut a long story short we were forced to leave UK even though I have a full British passport and wanted to work.My daughter could not apply for benefits due to her visa having a restriction of "No recourse to public funds" but had to suffer as SHE WAS NOT RECOGNISED AS A DEPENDENT. What was I supposed to with her? just throw her out ??? I think not! She had met a friend whom she is deeply in love with and he with her. But now I wonder if they will ever be able to live their lives in each other company like we all take for granted?? She is now quite sad at this prospect all because of a hard and fast rigid rule. This whole thing of benefits and the increasing cost, I feel, came about because employers do not pay a living wage but force their employees to accept a low wage and claim working tax credits which to the employers is a form of salary subsidisation (from the govt) saving the employer many thousands of pounds. Govt should bring about a living wage law (not to be confused with min wage) and curtail job sharing where an employer employs 2 people (1 in am :1 in pm) to pay low wages as they are not considered full time employees hence the low wages. It is not the so called lazy that cost this exhorbitant sum in benefits but all the underpaid employees claiming workingtax credits! Those of you with sarcastic or unkind remarks keep them to yourselves. Xbscmbe
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12:04am Wed 18 Jun 14

breamoreboy says...

Xbscmbe wrote:
I agree with Mr Bristow (POOLE CAB) in that there are those needy people who cannot work for health reasons and that they should get assistance in the form of benefits. This should be extended to vulnerable adults as well as they cannot be expected to work because of their inherent disability and should be able to maintain a decent living standard albeit in a care home. By all means do a means test but do not tar all benefit households with the same brush and be more reasonable than a hard and fast unbreakable rule.
I came to this country with hope of finding employment but found that the employment system does not really cater for those from abroad (not Eu) and was forced to request benefits and the housing benefits decreased overnight by 145 GBP which is due to bedroom tax so rent could not be paid in full. BM housing would not recognise my 22 yr old daughter, who has a severe learning disabilty, as a dependent even after appealing. Due to this cut and having no employment, even after literally hundeds of job applications, and no JSA allowance as the BM jOBCENTRE HAD LOST MY SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS but did not bother to advise me. I attended every interview for 2 months until my departure from UK and was not informed once, that my docs had been lost by their inefficient personnel We also had to use the BM Foodbank and my heartfelt gratitude goes out to them.But to cut a long story short we were forced to leave UK even though I have a full British passport and wanted to work.My daughter could not apply for benefits due to her visa having a restriction of "No recourse to public funds" but had to suffer as SHE WAS NOT RECOGNISED AS A DEPENDENT. What was I supposed to with her? just throw her out ??? I think not!
She had met a friend whom she is deeply in love with and he with her. But now I wonder if they will ever be able to live their lives in each other company like we all take for granted?? She is now quite sad at this prospect all because of a hard and fast rigid rule.
This whole thing of benefits and the increasing cost, I feel, came about because employers do not pay a living wage but force their employees to accept a low wage and claim working tax credits which to the employers is a form of salary subsidisation (from the govt) saving the employer many thousands of pounds. Govt should bring about a living wage law (not to be confused with min wage) and curtail job sharing where an employer employs 2 people (1 in am :1 in pm) to pay low wages as they are not considered full time employees hence the low wages. It is not the so called lazy that cost this exhorbitant sum in benefits but all the underpaid employees claiming workingtax credits!
Those of you with sarcastic or unkind remarks keep them to yourselves.
Very well put.

Just one thing in defence of employers, they have to pay 13.8% National Insurance on all employee earnings. If that isn't a tax on jobs, what is? My source http://tinyurl.com/k
k4ge7y
[quote][p][bold]Xbscmbe[/bold] wrote: I agree with Mr Bristow (POOLE CAB) in that there are those needy people who cannot work for health reasons and that they should get assistance in the form of benefits. This should be extended to vulnerable adults as well as they cannot be expected to work because of their inherent disability and should be able to maintain a decent living standard albeit in a care home. By all means do a means test but do not tar all benefit households with the same brush and be more reasonable than a hard and fast unbreakable rule. I came to this country with hope of finding employment but found that the employment system does not really cater for those from abroad (not Eu) and was forced to request benefits and the housing benefits decreased overnight by 145 GBP which is due to bedroom tax so rent could not be paid in full. BM housing would not recognise my 22 yr old daughter, who has a severe learning disabilty, as a dependent even after appealing. Due to this cut and having no employment, even after literally hundeds of job applications, and no JSA allowance as the BM jOBCENTRE HAD LOST MY SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS but did not bother to advise me. I attended every interview for 2 months until my departure from UK and was not informed once, that my docs had been lost by their inefficient personnel We also had to use the BM Foodbank and my heartfelt gratitude goes out to them.But to cut a long story short we were forced to leave UK even though I have a full British passport and wanted to work.My daughter could not apply for benefits due to her visa having a restriction of "No recourse to public funds" but had to suffer as SHE WAS NOT RECOGNISED AS A DEPENDENT. What was I supposed to with her? just throw her out ??? I think not! She had met a friend whom she is deeply in love with and he with her. But now I wonder if they will ever be able to live their lives in each other company like we all take for granted?? She is now quite sad at this prospect all because of a hard and fast rigid rule. This whole thing of benefits and the increasing cost, I feel, came about because employers do not pay a living wage but force their employees to accept a low wage and claim working tax credits which to the employers is a form of salary subsidisation (from the govt) saving the employer many thousands of pounds. Govt should bring about a living wage law (not to be confused with min wage) and curtail job sharing where an employer employs 2 people (1 in am :1 in pm) to pay low wages as they are not considered full time employees hence the low wages. It is not the so called lazy that cost this exhorbitant sum in benefits but all the underpaid employees claiming workingtax credits! Those of you with sarcastic or unkind remarks keep them to yourselves.[/p][/quote]Very well put. Just one thing in defence of employers, they have to pay 13.8% National Insurance on all employee earnings. If that isn't a tax on jobs, what is? My source http://tinyurl.com/k k4ge7y breamoreboy
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