Southbourne traders raise concerns after Bournemouth council uses parking bays for new ‘car club’ scheme

FED UP: Martin Conerney, front,  Diana Hemsley and John Marlee

FED UP: Martin Conerney, front, Diana Hemsley and John Marlee

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FIRMS in Southbourne have expressed concern after parking bays were seized by the council for a new ‘car club’ scheme.

The parking bays were painted over three weeks ago at locations across Bournemouth for the Co-Wheels project, which aims to allow residents and visitors to hire a car at their convenience.

However, Martin Conerney, owner of Avant Garde hair salon, which has entrances on Seabourne Road and Parkwood Road, is angry that residents were not consulted.

“No one has parked in the spaces on Parkwood Road since it was done,” he added. There is a car park round the corner which is never more than a quarter full. I don’t understand why they couldn’t have used that.”

“The council never sent us a letter telling us what was happening. Parking in Soutbourne is hard enough as it is.”

Ian Kalra, head of transport at Bournemouth council, said: “The bays are being promoted through an experimental Traffic Regulation Order in place for six months during which time residents and businesses will have the opportunity to raise concerns.

“We want to make travel in Bournemouth more accessible by offering people more choices such as Co-Wheels Car Club.

“Such schemes will help reduce car ownership and in the long term will reduce congestion and improve the environment.”

Director of Co-Wheels, Pierre Fox, said: “Co-wheels provides members the opportunity to book a car for as little as half an hour, with access 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

“The cars need to be in locations such as high streets. Dedicated parking bays are currently being implemented.”

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6:45am Fri 6 Jun 14

esquisquirrel says...

Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away.

Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.
Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away. Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again. esquisquirrel
  • Score: -19

6:46am Fri 6 Jun 14

churchill gardens resident says...

You know what to do in the next election then
You know what to do in the next election then churchill gardens resident
  • Score: 47

6:47am Fri 6 Jun 14

dvdr says...

"Parking in Southbourne is hard enough as it is" - but - "There is a car park just round the corner that is never more than a quarter full". Someone speaking with forked tongue?
"Parking in Southbourne is hard enough as it is" - but - "There is a car park just round the corner that is never more than a quarter full". Someone speaking with forked tongue? dvdr
  • Score: 61

6:49am Fri 6 Jun 14

retry69 says...

esquisquirrel wrote:
Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away.

Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.
I think you are a little harsh , he has attempted one of Les Dawsons facial expressions so it deserves a 10/10 :)
[quote][p][bold]esquisquirrel[/bold] wrote: Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away. Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.[/p][/quote]I think you are a little harsh , he has attempted one of Les Dawsons facial expressions so it deserves a 10/10 :) retry69
  • Score: 32

7:07am Fri 6 Jun 14

EGHH says...

I really do believe our councils are doing their best...to kill off town centre businesses!
I really do believe our councils are doing their best...to kill off town centre businesses! EGHH
  • Score: 55

7:12am Fri 6 Jun 14

rusty james says...

retry69 wrote:
esquisquirrel wrote:
Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away.

Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.
I think you are a little harsh , he has attempted one of Les Dawsons facial expressions so it deserves a 10/10 :)
I like the couple doing aircraft impressions behind, especially the lady who has the gull- winged Stuka down to perfection.
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]esquisquirrel[/bold] wrote: Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away. Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.[/p][/quote]I think you are a little harsh , he has attempted one of Les Dawsons facial expressions so it deserves a 10/10 :)[/p][/quote]I like the couple doing aircraft impressions behind, especially the lady who has the gull- winged Stuka down to perfection. rusty james
  • Score: 48

7:14am Fri 6 Jun 14

esquisquirrel says...

rusty james wrote:
retry69 wrote:
esquisquirrel wrote:
Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away.

Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.
I think you are a little harsh , he has attempted one of Les Dawsons facial expressions so it deserves a 10/10 :)
I like the couple doing aircraft impressions behind, especially the lady who has the gull- winged Stuka down to perfection.
That's why no-one can park - the spaces are all taken up with people doing aeroplane impressions!
[quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]esquisquirrel[/bold] wrote: Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away. Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.[/p][/quote]I think you are a little harsh , he has attempted one of Les Dawsons facial expressions so it deserves a 10/10 :)[/p][/quote]I like the couple doing aircraft impressions behind, especially the lady who has the gull- winged Stuka down to perfection.[/p][/quote]That's why no-one can park - the spaces are all taken up with people doing aeroplane impressions! esquisquirrel
  • Score: 28

7:15am Fri 6 Jun 14

Baysider says...

churchill gardens resident wrote:
You know what to do in the next election then
Vote Labour?

Oh I get it you're another of the UKIP supporters that frequent here. Let me guess how they would approach the perceived problem of a lack of parking...would it involve sending anyone with a brown face back to "Bongo Bongo" land?
[quote][p][bold]churchill gardens resident[/bold] wrote: You know what to do in the next election then[/p][/quote]Vote Labour? Oh I get it you're another of the UKIP supporters that frequent here. Let me guess how they would approach the perceived problem of a lack of parking...would it involve sending anyone with a brown face back to "Bongo Bongo" land? Baysider
  • Score: -34

7:20am Fri 6 Jun 14

wadjit says...

Nobody wants to pay to use the car park just to walk down Southbourne high street. It should be free, to get more people going to Southbourne. Like the man said no one ever uses it so put the car club there. Don't loose more street parking.
Nobody wants to pay to use the car park just to walk down Southbourne high street. It should be free, to get more people going to Southbourne. Like the man said no one ever uses it so put the car club there. Don't loose more street parking. wadjit
  • Score: 41

7:24am Fri 6 Jun 14

retry69 says...

rusty james wrote:
retry69 wrote:
esquisquirrel wrote:
Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away.

Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.
I think you are a little harsh , he has attempted one of Les Dawsons facial expressions so it deserves a 10/10 :)
I like the couple doing aircraft impressions behind, especially the lady who has the gull- winged Stuka down to perfection.
Well spotted and brilliant description :)
[quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]esquisquirrel[/bold] wrote: Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away. Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.[/p][/quote]I think you are a little harsh , he has attempted one of Les Dawsons facial expressions so it deserves a 10/10 :)[/p][/quote]I like the couple doing aircraft impressions behind, especially the lady who has the gull- winged Stuka down to perfection.[/p][/quote]Well spotted and brilliant description :) retry69
  • Score: 10

7:36am Fri 6 Jun 14

ben111 says...

esquisquirrel wrote:
rusty james wrote:
retry69 wrote:
esquisquirrel wrote:
Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away.

Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.
I think you are a little harsh , he has attempted one of Les Dawsons facial expressions so it deserves a 10/10 :)
I like the couple doing aircraft impressions behind, especially the lady who has the gull- winged Stuka down to perfection.
That's why no-one can park - the spaces are all taken up with people doing aeroplane impressions!
These comments alone are the only reason I come to read Beano I mean Echo. carry on
[quote][p][bold]esquisquirrel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]esquisquirrel[/bold] wrote: Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away. Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.[/p][/quote]I think you are a little harsh , he has attempted one of Les Dawsons facial expressions so it deserves a 10/10 :)[/p][/quote]I like the couple doing aircraft impressions behind, especially the lady who has the gull- winged Stuka down to perfection.[/p][/quote]That's why no-one can park - the spaces are all taken up with people doing aeroplane impressions![/p][/quote]These comments alone are the only reason I come to read Beano I mean Echo. carry on ben111
  • Score: 21

7:37am Fri 6 Jun 14

rusty james says...

esquisquirrel wrote:
rusty james wrote:
retry69 wrote:
esquisquirrel wrote:
Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away.

Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.
I think you are a little harsh , he has attempted one of Les Dawsons facial expressions so it deserves a 10/10 :)
I like the couple doing aircraft impressions behind, especially the lady who has the gull- winged Stuka down to perfection.
That's why no-one can park - the spaces are all taken up with people doing aeroplane impressions!
True enough, though they're probably just part of bournemouth's D-Day celebrations and will be gone tomorrow (though back for this years credit-crunch air show).
[quote][p][bold]esquisquirrel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]esquisquirrel[/bold] wrote: Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away. Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.[/p][/quote]I think you are a little harsh , he has attempted one of Les Dawsons facial expressions so it deserves a 10/10 :)[/p][/quote]I like the couple doing aircraft impressions behind, especially the lady who has the gull- winged Stuka down to perfection.[/p][/quote]That's why no-one can park - the spaces are all taken up with people doing aeroplane impressions![/p][/quote]True enough, though they're probably just part of bournemouth's D-Day celebrations and will be gone tomorrow (though back for this years credit-crunch air show). rusty james
  • Score: 0

7:40am Fri 6 Jun 14

esquisquirrel says...

rusty james wrote:
esquisquirrel wrote:
rusty james wrote:
retry69 wrote:
esquisquirrel wrote:
Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away.

Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.
I think you are a little harsh , he has attempted one of Les Dawsons facial expressions so it deserves a 10/10 :)
I like the couple doing aircraft impressions behind, especially the lady who has the gull- winged Stuka down to perfection.
That's why no-one can park - the spaces are all taken up with people doing aeroplane impressions!
True enough, though they're probably just part of bournemouth's D-Day celebrations and will be gone tomorrow (though back for this years credit-crunch air show).
How great would the Air Show be if it was just people running around the Pier Approach with their arms out wide, going "NNNNNNNNEEEEEEOOOOO
OOOWWWWWWWW".....?
[quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]esquisquirrel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]esquisquirrel[/bold] wrote: Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away. Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.[/p][/quote]I think you are a little harsh , he has attempted one of Les Dawsons facial expressions so it deserves a 10/10 :)[/p][/quote]I like the couple doing aircraft impressions behind, especially the lady who has the gull- winged Stuka down to perfection.[/p][/quote]That's why no-one can park - the spaces are all taken up with people doing aeroplane impressions![/p][/quote]True enough, though they're probably just part of bournemouth's D-Day celebrations and will be gone tomorrow (though back for this years credit-crunch air show).[/p][/quote]How great would the Air Show be if it was just people running around the Pier Approach with their arms out wide, going "NNNNNNNNEEEEEEOOOOO OOOWWWWWWWW".....? esquisquirrel
  • Score: 21

7:46am Fri 6 Jun 14

HoldenWorther says...

Ah its things like this that make the echo so funny to read. The comments crack me up. Seriously? these people are just so stupid...... parking issues and then quote that there is a car park thats never full round the corner HA HA HA
Ah its things like this that make the echo so funny to read. The comments crack me up. Seriously? these people are just so stupid...... parking issues and then quote that there is a car park thats never full round the corner HA HA HA HoldenWorther
  • Score: 12

7:55am Fri 6 Jun 14

rusty james says...

esquisquirrel wrote:
rusty james wrote:
esquisquirrel wrote:
rusty james wrote:
retry69 wrote:
esquisquirrel wrote:
Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away.

Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.
I think you are a little harsh , he has attempted one of Les Dawsons facial expressions so it deserves a 10/10 :)
I like the couple doing aircraft impressions behind, especially the lady who has the gull- winged Stuka down to perfection.
That's why no-one can park - the spaces are all taken up with people doing aeroplane impressions!
True enough, though they're probably just part of bournemouth's D-Day celebrations and will be gone tomorrow (though back for this years credit-crunch air show).
How great would the Air Show be if it was just people running around the Pier Approach with their arms out wide, going "NNNNNNNNEEEEEE
OOOOO
OOOWWWWWWWW".....?
Triffic! A team in red decorators suits spraying red, white, and blue silly string.
[quote][p][bold]esquisquirrel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]esquisquirrel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]esquisquirrel[/bold] wrote: Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away. Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.[/p][/quote]I think you are a little harsh , he has attempted one of Les Dawsons facial expressions so it deserves a 10/10 :)[/p][/quote]I like the couple doing aircraft impressions behind, especially the lady who has the gull- winged Stuka down to perfection.[/p][/quote]That's why no-one can park - the spaces are all taken up with people doing aeroplane impressions![/p][/quote]True enough, though they're probably just part of bournemouth's D-Day celebrations and will be gone tomorrow (though back for this years credit-crunch air show).[/p][/quote]How great would the Air Show be if it was just people running around the Pier Approach with their arms out wide, going "NNNNNNNNEEEEEE OOOOO OOOWWWWWWWW".....?[/p][/quote]Triffic! A team in red decorators suits spraying red, white, and blue silly string. rusty james
  • Score: 11

7:55am Fri 6 Jun 14

Dave2207 says...

The buses - and their passengers - would find travelling through Southbourne much easier and quicker if there were no on-street parking between Pokesdown Station and Fisherman's Walk. Narrow, main roads should be for travelling along, not parking on.
The buses - and their passengers - would find travelling through Southbourne much easier and quicker if there were no on-street parking between Pokesdown Station and Fisherman's Walk. Narrow, main roads should be for travelling along, not parking on. Dave2207
  • Score: 23

8:01am Fri 6 Jun 14

bobthedestroyer says...

This isn't really promoting buses or cycles is it. Why give this hire car company preferential treatment?
This isn't really promoting buses or cycles is it. Why give this hire car company preferential treatment? bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 30

8:46am Fri 6 Jun 14

B'mth bred says...

What a stupid stupid idea. What happens if one of these club cars doesn't park in the space provided, will they get fined!!!!
How can we "have or say" on this lunatic scheme
Sorry BBC, but you have lost the plot on this one.
What a stupid stupid idea. What happens if one of these club cars doesn't park in the space provided, will they get fined!!!! How can we "have or say" on this lunatic scheme Sorry BBC, but you have lost the plot on this one. B'mth bred
  • Score: 26

8:54am Fri 6 Jun 14

Townee says...

Charminster is another place that has had one of theses put in. Perhaps they should have put in an extra disabled parking space next to the chemist, the one opposite normally has someone parked in it without a blue badge. This area needs a space in Shellbourne Road, the council need to remember that disabled have trouble crossing a main road.
Charminster is another place that has had one of theses put in. Perhaps they should have put in an extra disabled parking space next to the chemist, the one opposite normally has someone parked in it without a blue badge. This area needs a space in Shellbourne Road, the council need to remember that disabled have trouble crossing a main road. Townee
  • Score: 8

8:57am Fri 6 Jun 14

PokesdownMark says...

If there is a council car park around the corner it makes far better sense to reserve a bay or two there.

How will these bays even work? There seem to be only one or two in each location around town. If I want to use one of the cars I walk to the bay and hope a car is there? If there is one, I can only leave it at one of the other bays elsewhere in town? But what if there is already a club car there? This sounds like it may need a few hundred more hours of committee style thinking?
If there is a council car park around the corner it makes far better sense to reserve a bay or two there. How will these bays even work? There seem to be only one or two in each location around town. If I want to use one of the cars I walk to the bay and hope a car is there? If there is one, I can only leave it at one of the other bays elsewhere in town? But what if there is already a club car there? This sounds like it may need a few hundred more hours of committee style thinking? PokesdownMark
  • Score: 20

8:59am Fri 6 Jun 14

muscliffman says...

Never mind the hilarious photo, for where on earth did this Bournemouth 'CarClub' project suddenly come from, as the Southbourne trader suggests someone has been keeping this one quiet and it's apparently (it's own words) being supported by our Local Sustainable Transport Fund - so taxpayers money.

I have to admit I cannot remember reading anywhere that public on-road parking spaces across our town were going to be taken away from the majority of road users and handed (free of charge?) over to an outfit apparently closely associated to a 'pro-man made climate change, low carbon, electric/hybrid cars, sustainable transport.......' styled and thus very political 'green' charitable organisation called Carplus.

What did other local transport providers such as the existing commercial taxi, private hire car and public bus firms know about this - presumably it's intended to take business away from them? The spokesman for CarClub says "“Such schemes will help reduce car ownership and in the long term will reduce congestion and improve the environment.” - No, it won't, what evidence is there that any of us will give up our own private cars because of this PC 'green' scheme, we already had plenty of options to hire cars short or long term - and at least we are definitely not paying for those through 'Sustainable Transport Fund' subsidies when we are not using them!

The 'green' organisation apparently behind it has a mission statement which declares it sets up these CarClubs in areas where "individuals and organisations are committed to kicking the car habit"! Are we all happy with that? I think we urgently need to know a lot more about this whole set up, who these people really are, what are their motives (and do we agree with them!) and very importantly exactly who is funding it all and where are any 'profits' going.

Time for some Councillor comments!
Never mind the hilarious photo, for where on earth did this Bournemouth 'CarClub' project suddenly come from, as the Southbourne trader suggests someone has been keeping this one quiet and it's apparently (it's own words) being supported by our Local Sustainable Transport Fund - so taxpayers money. I have to admit I cannot remember reading anywhere that public on-road parking spaces across our town were going to be taken away from the majority of road users and handed (free of charge?) over to an outfit apparently closely associated to a 'pro-man made climate change, low carbon, electric/hybrid cars, sustainable transport.......' styled and thus very political 'green' charitable organisation called Carplus. What did other local transport providers such as the existing commercial taxi, private hire car and public bus firms know about this - presumably it's intended to take business away from them? The spokesman for CarClub says "“Such schemes will help reduce car ownership and in the long term will reduce congestion and improve the environment.” - No, it won't, what evidence is there that any of us will give up our own private cars because of this PC 'green' scheme, we already had plenty of options to hire cars short or long term - and at least we are definitely not paying for those through 'Sustainable Transport Fund' subsidies when we are not using them! The 'green' organisation apparently behind it has a mission statement which declares it sets up these CarClubs in areas where "individuals and organisations are committed to kicking the car habit"! Are we all happy with that? I think we urgently need to know a lot more about this whole set up, who these people really are, what are their motives (and do we agree with them!) and very importantly exactly who is funding it all and where are any 'profits' going. Time for some Councillor comments! muscliffman
  • Score: 44

9:15am Fri 6 Jun 14

forest-dweller says...

Quote from article: No one has parked in the spaces on Parkwood Road since it was done,” he added. There is a car park round the corner which is never more than a quarter full. I don’t understand why they couldn't have used that.”

How many bays have actually been taken out? Seeing various other schemes in action, it is usually no more than two or three., although this article might lead you to think that it is vastly more. According to the council's documents, it is 6.8 meters on Parkwood Road, which I guess would be enough for 3 cars at the most, maybe 2. Are they really complaining about that?

So if there is a car park around the corner, then what really is the problem for the traders? Presumably the small number of bays taken for this scheme would usually have been filled up, meaning other visitors would have had to use alternative parking spaces..........like the car park around the corner.

And who knows, maybe the Car Club members might become their customers..
Quote from article: No one has parked in the spaces on Parkwood Road since it was done,” he added. There is a car park round the corner which is never more than a quarter full. I don’t understand why they couldn't have used that.” How many bays have actually been taken out? Seeing various other schemes in action, it is usually no more than two or three., although this article might lead you to think that it is vastly more. According to the council's documents, it is 6.8 meters on Parkwood Road, which I guess would be enough for 3 cars at the most, maybe 2. Are they really complaining about that? So if there is a car park around the corner, then what really is the problem for the traders? Presumably the small number of bays taken for this scheme would usually have been filled up, meaning other visitors would have had to use alternative parking spaces..........like the car park around the corner. And who knows, maybe the Car Club members might become their customers.. forest-dweller
  • Score: -8

9:16am Fri 6 Jun 14

Gonetothebeach says...

Really interesting and forward looking idea ...... In principle, at least. But come on, Bournemouth Council, why are you so consistently poor at proactively publicising and promoting such schemes to residents and obtaining their buy-in? What is it, who can join, how do you use it, when does it start?
Really interesting and forward looking idea ...... In principle, at least. But come on, Bournemouth Council, why are you so consistently poor at proactively publicising and promoting such schemes to residents and obtaining their buy-in? What is it, who can join, how do you use it, when does it start? Gonetothebeach
  • Score: -1

9:17am Fri 6 Jun 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

He doesn't look like a hairdresser.
He doesn't look like a hairdresser. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: -9

9:32am Fri 6 Jun 14

Tripod says...

Always thought you weren't allowed to park that close to a junction.
Always thought you weren't allowed to park that close to a junction. Tripod
  • Score: 18

9:36am Fri 6 Jun 14

Redmachine says...

PokesdownMark wrote:
If there is a council car park around the corner it makes far better sense to reserve a bay or two there.

How will these bays even work? There seem to be only one or two in each location around town. If I want to use one of the cars I walk to the bay and hope a car is there? If there is one, I can only leave it at one of the other bays elsewhere in town? But what if there is already a club car there? This sounds like it may need a few hundred more hours of committee style thinking?
Car clubs have been around for years and can and do work well in cities (Zurich has had a successful one for 15+ years). I've used car clubs in London back when I didn't have a car - they're pretty simple and actually stopped me buying a car for many years.
how does it work? via the website or phone app, you see what car is available in the allocated spaces closest to you, you book it for an hour, a day, whatever you need and is available.
At your alloted time, you use a smart card to get into the car, unlock it using your pin code, the keys are in the car ready and off you go. When you're done, you park the car back in the spot you got it from, lock it with the smart card and then it's free for others to use.
You pay by the hour/mile, petrol is included usually - fuel cards take care of this. The car club insure, service and maintain the car for you so all you pay for is when you want to use it.
Why did I stop using a car club? lugging 2 kids car seats plus children to the car when I wanted to use it got a bit much for me
[quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: If there is a council car park around the corner it makes far better sense to reserve a bay or two there. How will these bays even work? There seem to be only one or two in each location around town. If I want to use one of the cars I walk to the bay and hope a car is there? If there is one, I can only leave it at one of the other bays elsewhere in town? But what if there is already a club car there? This sounds like it may need a few hundred more hours of committee style thinking?[/p][/quote]Car clubs have been around for years and can and do work well in cities (Zurich has had a successful one for 15+ years). I've used car clubs in London back when I didn't have a car - they're pretty simple and actually stopped me buying a car for many years. how does it work? via the website or phone app, you see what car is available in the allocated spaces closest to you, you book it for an hour, a day, whatever you need and is available. At your alloted time, you use a smart card to get into the car, unlock it using your pin code, the keys are in the car ready and off you go. When you're done, you park the car back in the spot you got it from, lock it with the smart card and then it's free for others to use. You pay by the hour/mile, petrol is included usually - fuel cards take care of this. The car club insure, service and maintain the car for you so all you pay for is when you want to use it. Why did I stop using a car club? lugging 2 kids car seats plus children to the car when I wanted to use it got a bit much for me Redmachine
  • Score: 5

10:10am Fri 6 Jun 14

a real supporter says...

It appears to be a franchise the council have bought. The address given for the availability of cars is the town hall? The first we plebs know about it is the painting of road signs. Would somebody care to explain why!
I would also like the head of transport at Bournemouth council to explain how having more cars on the road “will long term reduce congestion and improve the environment.” How long is long term and what if the person hiring the car does not live near a bay or the town hall, how do you get there and back home again?.

Another example of the sheer arrogance of this council and how they could not care less about the electorate.

I can’t wait for the monorail salesman to ride in to town
It appears to be a franchise the council have bought. The address given for the availability of cars is the town hall? The first we plebs know about it is the painting of road signs. Would somebody care to explain why! I would also like the head of transport at Bournemouth council to explain how having more cars on the road “will long term reduce congestion and improve the environment.” How long is long term and what if the person hiring the car does not live near a bay or the town hall, how do you get there and back home again?. Another example of the sheer arrogance of this council and how they could not care less about the electorate. I can’t wait for the monorail salesman to ride in to town a real supporter
  • Score: 25

10:11am Fri 6 Jun 14

David Ross, Independent candidate for Bournemouth East says...

My friend Marty and his colleagues have made a fair point. Small traders are forgotten in the rush to speed buses and cycles through the town.

For instance I had to pick up a part for my cooker recently in Boscombe - a 3 minute stop but nowhere in sight to park. Likely to put off passing trade.

And if there is a council car park close by, why not have the space there? I assume that no loss of revenue would be incurred?
My friend Marty and his colleagues have made a fair point. Small traders are forgotten in the rush to speed buses and cycles through the town. For instance I had to pick up a part for my cooker recently in Boscombe - a 3 minute stop but nowhere in sight to park. Likely to put off passing trade. And if there is a council car park close by, why not have the space there? I assume that no loss of revenue would be incurred? David Ross, Independent candidate for Bournemouth East
  • Score: 10

10:21am Fri 6 Jun 14

simnic says...

esquisquirrel wrote:
rusty james wrote:
retry69 wrote:
esquisquirrel wrote: Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away. Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.
I think you are a little harsh , he has attempted one of Les Dawsons facial expressions so it deserves a 10/10 :)
I like the couple doing aircraft impressions behind, especially the lady who has the gull- winged Stuka down to perfection.
That's why no-one can park - the spaces are all taken up with people doing aeroplane impressions!
shes getting ready for the airshow...
[quote][p][bold]esquisquirrel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]esquisquirrel[/bold] wrote: Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away. Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.[/p][/quote]I think you are a little harsh , he has attempted one of Les Dawsons facial expressions so it deserves a 10/10 :)[/p][/quote]I like the couple doing aircraft impressions behind, especially the lady who has the gull- winged Stuka down to perfection.[/p][/quote]That's why no-one can park - the spaces are all taken up with people doing aeroplane impressions![/p][/quote]shes getting ready for the airshow... simnic
  • Score: -2

10:46am Fri 6 Jun 14

PokesdownMark says...

Redmachine wrote:
PokesdownMark wrote:
If there is a council car park around the corner it makes far better sense to reserve a bay or two there.

How will these bays even work? There seem to be only one or two in each location around town. If I want to use one of the cars I walk to the bay and hope a car is there? If there is one, I can only leave it at one of the other bays elsewhere in town? But what if there is already a club car there? This sounds like it may need a few hundred more hours of committee style thinking?
Car clubs have been around for years and can and do work well in cities (Zurich has had a successful one for 15+ years). I've used car clubs in London back when I didn't have a car - they're pretty simple and actually stopped me buying a car for many years.
how does it work? via the website or phone app, you see what car is available in the allocated spaces closest to you, you book it for an hour, a day, whatever you need and is available.
At your alloted time, you use a smart card to get into the car, unlock it using your pin code, the keys are in the car ready and off you go. When you're done, you park the car back in the spot you got it from, lock it with the smart card and then it's free for others to use.
You pay by the hour/mile, petrol is included usually - fuel cards take care of this. The car club insure, service and maintain the car for you so all you pay for is when you want to use it.
Why did I stop using a car club? lugging 2 kids car seats plus children to the car when I wanted to use it got a bit much for me
Thanks for that. So the parking bays are reserved for one specific club car to call 'home'. Parking there is only for the period when the car is not 'in use'. So if you hired one of the cars, you can't park in another of the club car parking spaces by the sound of it?
[quote][p][bold]Redmachine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: If there is a council car park around the corner it makes far better sense to reserve a bay or two there. How will these bays even work? There seem to be only one or two in each location around town. If I want to use one of the cars I walk to the bay and hope a car is there? If there is one, I can only leave it at one of the other bays elsewhere in town? But what if there is already a club car there? This sounds like it may need a few hundred more hours of committee style thinking?[/p][/quote]Car clubs have been around for years and can and do work well in cities (Zurich has had a successful one for 15+ years). I've used car clubs in London back when I didn't have a car - they're pretty simple and actually stopped me buying a car for many years. how does it work? via the website or phone app, you see what car is available in the allocated spaces closest to you, you book it for an hour, a day, whatever you need and is available. At your alloted time, you use a smart card to get into the car, unlock it using your pin code, the keys are in the car ready and off you go. When you're done, you park the car back in the spot you got it from, lock it with the smart card and then it's free for others to use. You pay by the hour/mile, petrol is included usually - fuel cards take care of this. The car club insure, service and maintain the car for you so all you pay for is when you want to use it. Why did I stop using a car club? lugging 2 kids car seats plus children to the car when I wanted to use it got a bit much for me[/p][/quote]Thanks for that. So the parking bays are reserved for one specific club car to call 'home'. Parking there is only for the period when the car is not 'in use'. So if you hired one of the cars, you can't park in another of the club car parking spaces by the sound of it? PokesdownMark
  • Score: 7

12:47pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Bournemouth Ohec says...

I may be wrong, but it seems like this car club is a private company offering short term options of car hire to members who sign up for a minimal fee.

This company seems to offer rental fees that undercut traditional car hire companies and are given sole use of parking places allocated via the local council.

Is this legal, or could it be deemed anti competitive?
I may be wrong, but it seems like this car club is a private company offering short term options of car hire to members who sign up for a minimal fee. This company seems to offer rental fees that undercut traditional car hire companies and are given sole use of parking places allocated via the local council. Is this legal, or could it be deemed anti competitive? Bournemouth Ohec
  • Score: 14

12:49pm Fri 6 Jun 14

someonewhohasalife says...

The 'Council' consists of 2 parts - the councillors and the council officers. The former are lazy and agree to anything the latter suggest unless a petition of at least 50% of the population tells them otherwise. The latter are in their jobs because they are unable to perform in the real world.

To compensate for this they build themselves little empires and flex their muscles by causing maximum inconvenience and discomfort to the population. They particularly dislike car drivers as we fill up their roads and make their journeys longer.

If you've ever observed political life on the continent you would know that an elected mayor would soon knock them into shape and they would quickly be reminded that they are public SERVANTs, not our masters
The 'Council' consists of 2 parts - the councillors and the council officers. The former are lazy and agree to anything the latter suggest unless a petition of at least 50% of the population tells them otherwise. The latter are in their jobs because they are unable to perform in the real world. To compensate for this they build themselves little empires and flex their muscles by causing maximum inconvenience and discomfort to the population. They particularly dislike car drivers as we fill up their roads and make their journeys longer. If you've ever observed political life on the continent you would know that an elected mayor would soon knock them into shape and they would quickly be reminded that they are public SERVANTs, not our masters someonewhohasalife
  • Score: 12

12:55pm Fri 6 Jun 14

bobthedestroyer says...

Gonetothebeach wrote:
Really interesting and forward looking idea ...... In principle, at least. But come on, Bournemouth Council, why are you so consistently poor at proactively publicising and promoting such schemes to residents and obtaining their buy-in? What is it, who can join, how do you use it, when does it start?
It's probably a white elephant and will go the same way as Fibre city or whatever the hell they were called.

I can only surmise a payment has been made to the Council to get permission to do this.

These spaces should all be in council car parks not on the road
[quote][p][bold]Gonetothebeach[/bold] wrote: Really interesting and forward looking idea ...... In principle, at least. But come on, Bournemouth Council, why are you so consistently poor at proactively publicising and promoting such schemes to residents and obtaining their buy-in? What is it, who can join, how do you use it, when does it start?[/p][/quote]It's probably a white elephant and will go the same way as Fibre city or whatever the hell they were called. I can only surmise a payment has been made to the Council to get permission to do this. These spaces should all be in council car parks not on the road bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 8

1:21pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Redmachine says...

bobthedestroyer wrote:
Gonetothebeach wrote:
Really interesting and forward looking idea ...... In principle, at least. But come on, Bournemouth Council, why are you so consistently poor at proactively publicising and promoting such schemes to residents and obtaining their buy-in? What is it, who can join, how do you use it, when does it start?
It's probably a white elephant and will go the same way as Fibre city or whatever the hell they were called.

I can only surmise a payment has been made to the Council to get permission to do this.

These spaces should all be in council car parks not on the road
Fair point on the promotion, but car clubs are on the rise, gaining more and more members in more and more cities (http://www.carplus.
org.uk/car-sharing-c
lubs/list-ofcar-club
s/). Whether they take off in Bournmouth is of course up for debate, particularly if the council doesn't publicise them.....
As for putting spaces in council car parks, this could work provided that the car parks were open and accessible 24x7 to allow members to use and return cars as they wish. if you want to drop a car off at midnight (and feel relatively safe doing so), a space on the road works better.that a dark empty car park
[quote][p][bold]bobthedestroyer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gonetothebeach[/bold] wrote: Really interesting and forward looking idea ...... In principle, at least. But come on, Bournemouth Council, why are you so consistently poor at proactively publicising and promoting such schemes to residents and obtaining their buy-in? What is it, who can join, how do you use it, when does it start?[/p][/quote]It's probably a white elephant and will go the same way as Fibre city or whatever the hell they were called. I can only surmise a payment has been made to the Council to get permission to do this. These spaces should all be in council car parks not on the road[/p][/quote]Fair point on the promotion, but car clubs are on the rise, gaining more and more members in more and more cities (http://www.carplus. org.uk/car-sharing-c lubs/list-ofcar-club s/). Whether they take off in Bournmouth is of course up for debate, particularly if the council doesn't publicise them..... As for putting spaces in council car parks, this could work provided that the car parks were open and accessible 24x7 to allow members to use and return cars as they wish. if you want to drop a car off at midnight (and feel relatively safe doing so), a space on the road works better.that a dark empty car park Redmachine
  • Score: -2

1:24pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Redmachine says...

Bournemouth Ohec wrote:
I may be wrong, but it seems like this car club is a private company offering short term options of car hire to members who sign up for a minimal fee.

This company seems to offer rental fees that undercut traditional car hire companies and are given sole use of parking places allocated via the local council.

Is this legal, or could it be deemed anti competitive?
Differnt use cases- car clubs for short term hire ( maybe 1 to 48 hrs), car hire companies for longer term hire. I don't know of any 'regular' car hire company that will allow you to use a car for a couple of hours.
[quote][p][bold]Bournemouth Ohec[/bold] wrote: I may be wrong, but it seems like this car club is a private company offering short term options of car hire to members who sign up for a minimal fee. This company seems to offer rental fees that undercut traditional car hire companies and are given sole use of parking places allocated via the local council. Is this legal, or could it be deemed anti competitive?[/p][/quote]Differnt use cases- car clubs for short term hire ( maybe 1 to 48 hrs), car hire companies for longer term hire. I don't know of any 'regular' car hire company that will allow you to use a car for a couple of hours. Redmachine
  • Score: 2

1:50pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Redmachine says...

quick google and i found this site for the company that will operate the club: http://www.co-wheels
.org.uk/?location=bo
urnemouth&markerID=

Not the greatest website, but hopefully gives an idea of how this will operate
quick google and i found this site for the company that will operate the club: http://www.co-wheels .org.uk/?location=bo urnemouth&markerID= Not the greatest website, but hopefully gives an idea of how this will operate Redmachine
  • Score: 2

2:01pm Fri 6 Jun 14

ashleycross says...

Daily Echo hang your head in shame. With hundreds of asthma admissions to hospital scheduled for this summer to both hospitals you should be greeting the news of a car sharing scheme being launched through the council with enthusiasm and congratulating the council on such a green initiative dragging bournemouth into the 21st century, not lining up a the usual bunch of misery guts who don't like any kind of change. This is the sort of journalism that get bournemouth and dorset a bad name. Southbourne is full of go ahead enthusiastic people keen to make the world a better place. you must have had to search high a low to get enough people to photograph for this article.
Daily Echo hang your head in shame. With hundreds of asthma admissions to hospital scheduled for this summer to both hospitals you should be greeting the news of a car sharing scheme being launched through the council with enthusiasm and congratulating the council on such a green initiative dragging bournemouth into the 21st century, not lining up a the usual bunch of misery guts who don't like any kind of change. This is the sort of journalism that get bournemouth and dorset a bad name. Southbourne is full of go ahead enthusiastic people keen to make the world a better place. you must have had to search high a low to get enough people to photograph for this article. ashleycross
  • Score: -11

2:01pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Arthur Maureen says...

I point for the arms folded but the 2 statues behind this moaner - ZERO POINTS!!!!!!!! ARMS FOLDED ONLY, DO NOT TRY AND BREAK FROM THE TRADITION THAT IS arms folded / child looking sad in picture / looking glum
I point for the arms folded but the 2 statues behind this moaner - ZERO POINTS!!!!!!!! ARMS FOLDED ONLY, DO NOT TRY AND BREAK FROM THE TRADITION THAT IS arms folded / child looking sad in picture / looking glum Arthur Maureen
  • Score: -3

2:09pm Fri 6 Jun 14

muscliffman says...

Bournemouth Ohec wrote:
I may be wrong, but it seems like this car club is a private company offering short term options of car hire to members who sign up for a minimal fee.

This company seems to offer rental fees that undercut traditional car hire companies and are given sole use of parking places allocated via the local council.

Is this legal, or could it be deemed anti competitive?
There seems to be little formal corporate structure here, but as far as I can gather Co wheels/Carclub (aka; Commonwheels) is closely associated to and apparently was once entirely part of CarPlus, a 'green' environmental pressure group registered in the UK and Scotland as a charity. Their stated aims include "providing advocacy and promoting the low carbon transport agenda" and they work closely with other 'green' organisations and Companies - including for recruitment.

It does seem that a couple of years ago Bournemouth Councillors/Officers decided to quietly jump indirectly into bed and form a partnership with what may basically be 'green' agenda organisations whose aim's many of us would probably disagree with. Carplus state their "vision is to play a leading role in the UK’s transition to integrated low carbon transport solutions" and apparently they don't aim to make a profit - which is how they keep prices below their competitors levels.

We really need to know more about this, it feels uncomfortable..
[quote][p][bold]Bournemouth Ohec[/bold] wrote: I may be wrong, but it seems like this car club is a private company offering short term options of car hire to members who sign up for a minimal fee. This company seems to offer rental fees that undercut traditional car hire companies and are given sole use of parking places allocated via the local council. Is this legal, or could it be deemed anti competitive?[/p][/quote]There seems to be little formal corporate structure here, but as far as I can gather Co wheels/Carclub (aka; Commonwheels) is closely associated to and apparently was once entirely part of CarPlus, a 'green' environmental pressure group registered in the UK and Scotland as a charity. Their stated aims include "providing advocacy and promoting the low carbon transport agenda" and they work closely with other 'green' organisations and Companies - including for recruitment. It does seem that a couple of years ago Bournemouth Councillors/Officers decided to quietly jump indirectly into bed and form a partnership with what may basically be 'green' agenda organisations whose aim's many of us would probably disagree with. Carplus state their "vision is to play a leading role in the UK’s transition to integrated low carbon transport solutions" and apparently they don't aim to make a profit - which is how they keep prices below their competitors levels. We really need to know more about this, it feels uncomfortable.. muscliffman
  • Score: 7

3:00pm Fri 6 Jun 14

BoscVegas says...

Are leather waistcoats issued at birth in Southbourne?
Are leather waistcoats issued at birth in Southbourne? BoscVegas
  • Score: 4

3:05pm Fri 6 Jun 14

yvonne33 says...

the fact is the council have spent millions on cycle ways to take cars off the road instead of them renting cars out to make a quick buck from holiday maker s why not like boris has done in London rent bikes out and use the car club spaces for that reason.The car park round the corner is rarely used why don't bbc put car club spaces there. for small businesses (if people still want them) have enough problems parking outside establishments are a way of keeping there customers.This car club is being rolled out now is this really for locals?
the fact is the council have spent millions on cycle ways to take cars off the road instead of them renting cars out to make a quick buck from holiday maker s why not like boris has done in London rent bikes out and use the car club spaces for that reason.The car park round the corner is rarely used why don't bbc put car club spaces there. for small businesses (if people still want them) have enough problems parking outside establishments are a way of keeping there customers.This car club is being rolled out now is this really for locals? yvonne33
  • Score: 4

3:15pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Chriswood says...

Surely these parking bays should be located in strategic car parks around town rather than taking much needed road parking.
Surely these parking bays should be located in strategic car parks around town rather than taking much needed road parking. Chriswood
  • Score: 7

3:44pm Fri 6 Jun 14

BmthNewshound says...

Local traders should know by now that Bournemouth Council show no consideration to the impact of their policies on local businesses. Beesley is anti-business, unless you are in the business of property development.
.
Presumably, in line with other car club schemes, these allocated parking spaces will need to provided at strategic locations around town. Is this scheme just operating in Southbourne ?
.
Please Echo, can we have some more details about this scheme.
Local traders should know by now that Bournemouth Council show no consideration to the impact of their policies on local businesses. Beesley is anti-business, unless you are in the business of property development. . Presumably, in line with other car club schemes, these allocated parking spaces will need to provided at strategic locations around town. Is this scheme just operating in Southbourne ? . Please Echo, can we have some more details about this scheme. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 9

4:03pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Lucky Rich says...

After reading this article earlier i noticed one of these spaces in Southbourne main road , it had a van parked in it , & later a car parked half across it , not a free bit of space to park any where in the road apart from on the double yellows , if i had hired a car from this one space this morning i would of been stumped when trying to give it back.
I can understand the idea of it but the spaces need to be on private land .
After reading this article earlier i noticed one of these spaces in Southbourne main road , it had a van parked in it , & later a car parked half across it , not a free bit of space to park any where in the road apart from on the double yellows , if i had hired a car from this one space this morning i would of been stumped when trying to give it back. I can understand the idea of it but the spaces need to be on private land . Lucky Rich
  • Score: 10

4:19pm Fri 6 Jun 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

These are a great idea. No one in Bmth needs to drive. It's a small enough town to walk or cycle anywhere. On the odd occasion you need a car then being able to hire one for as little as 30mins is great.
These are a great idea. No one in Bmth needs to drive. It's a small enough town to walk or cycle anywhere. On the odd occasion you need a car then being able to hire one for as little as 30mins is great. HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: -1

4:31pm Fri 6 Jun 14

greenhouse says...

forest-dweller wrote:
Quote from article: No one has parked in the spaces on Parkwood Road since it was done,” he added. There is a car park round the corner which is never more than a quarter full. I don’t understand why they couldn't have used that.”

How many bays have actually been taken out? Seeing various other schemes in action, it is usually no more than two or three., although this article might lead you to think that it is vastly more. According to the council's documents, it is 6.8 meters on Parkwood Road, which I guess would be enough for 3 cars at the most, maybe 2. Are they really complaining about that?

So if there is a car park around the corner, then what really is the problem for the traders? Presumably the small number of bays taken for this scheme would usually have been filled up, meaning other visitors would have had to use alternative parking spaces..........like the car park around the corner.

And who knows, maybe the Car Club members might become their customers..
The problem is it is pay and display yet it is always fairly empty. make it free and put double yellows all along Seabourne Road and the traffic flow would be better and I doubt if anyone will object to knowing where they can park and get to the shops easily.
[quote][p][bold]forest-dweller[/bold] wrote: Quote from article: No one has parked in the spaces on Parkwood Road since it was done,” he added. There is a car park round the corner which is never more than a quarter full. I don’t understand why they couldn't have used that.” How many bays have actually been taken out? Seeing various other schemes in action, it is usually no more than two or three., although this article might lead you to think that it is vastly more. According to the council's documents, it is 6.8 meters on Parkwood Road, which I guess would be enough for 3 cars at the most, maybe 2. Are they really complaining about that? So if there is a car park around the corner, then what really is the problem for the traders? Presumably the small number of bays taken for this scheme would usually have been filled up, meaning other visitors would have had to use alternative parking spaces..........like the car park around the corner. And who knows, maybe the Car Club members might become their customers..[/p][/quote]The problem is it is pay and display yet it is always fairly empty. make it free and put double yellows all along Seabourne Road and the traffic flow would be better and I doubt if anyone will object to knowing where they can park and get to the shops easily. greenhouse
  • Score: 8

4:43pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Howdie says...

dvdr wrote:
"Parking in Southbourne is hard enough as it is" - but - "There is a car park just round the corner that is never more than a quarter full". Someone speaking with forked tongue?
what he means is FREE PARKING is hard to find in Southbourne...you have to PAY to park in the car park!
[quote][p][bold]dvdr[/bold] wrote: "Parking in Southbourne is hard enough as it is" - but - "There is a car park just round the corner that is never more than a quarter full". Someone speaking with forked tongue?[/p][/quote]what he means is FREE PARKING is hard to find in Southbourne...you have to PAY to park in the car park! Howdie
  • Score: 7

5:07pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Brock_and_Roll says...

I am a very keen environmentalist but the green credentials of some of these schemes is dubious at best.

Not sure how the "car club" is really going to reduce car usage at all. I guess the council get paid for the contract with the car club provider.

Out in the Forest we have the heavily promoted electric "Twizzy" car scheme - which is environmental bunkum. Aside from the fact that hiring a car cannot possibly be greener than hiring a bike or walking, most of the electricity used to charge them comes from carbon burning power stations. Even worse, energy, plastic and materials used to build the car is significant and unlikely to be recovered through the "green" operation of the vehicle.
I am a very keen environmentalist but the green credentials of some of these schemes is dubious at best. Not sure how the "car club" is really going to reduce car usage at all. I guess the council get paid for the contract with the car club provider. Out in the Forest we have the heavily promoted electric "Twizzy" car scheme - which is environmental bunkum. Aside from the fact that hiring a car cannot possibly be greener than hiring a bike or walking, most of the electricity used to charge them comes from carbon burning power stations. Even worse, energy, plastic and materials used to build the car is significant and unlikely to be recovered through the "green" operation of the vehicle. Brock_and_Roll
  • Score: 4

5:50pm Fri 6 Jun 14

FNS-man says...

Car-share schemes operate in a huge number of modern towns and cities around the world. They work very well, and really aren't that difficult to understand.... unless you are from Bournemouth, it would appear.
Car-share schemes operate in a huge number of modern towns and cities around the world. They work very well, and really aren't that difficult to understand.... unless you are from Bournemouth, it would appear. FNS-man
  • Score: -3

5:59pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Phixer says...

Bournemouth Ohec wrote:
I may be wrong, but it seems like this car club is a private company offering short term options of car hire to members who sign up for a minimal fee.

This company seems to offer rental fees that undercut traditional car hire companies and are given sole use of parking places allocated via the local council.

Is this legal, or could it be deemed anti competitive?
You can just about smell the brown envelopes coming out of the exhaust pipe.
[quote][p][bold]Bournemouth Ohec[/bold] wrote: I may be wrong, but it seems like this car club is a private company offering short term options of car hire to members who sign up for a minimal fee. This company seems to offer rental fees that undercut traditional car hire companies and are given sole use of parking places allocated via the local council. Is this legal, or could it be deemed anti competitive?[/p][/quote]You can just about smell the brown envelopes coming out of the exhaust pipe. Phixer
  • Score: 6

6:04pm Fri 6 Jun 14

ashleycross says...

FNS-man wrote:
Car-share schemes operate in a huge number of modern towns and cities around the world. They work very well, and really aren't that difficult to understand.... unless you are from Bournemouth, it would appear.
Quite, where are the pictures of happy traders delighted that each car parking there will bring not one customer but two three, four or even five?
[quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote: Car-share schemes operate in a huge number of modern towns and cities around the world. They work very well, and really aren't that difficult to understand.... unless you are from Bournemouth, it would appear.[/p][/quote]Quite, where are the pictures of happy traders delighted that each car parking there will bring not one customer but two three, four or even five? ashleycross
  • Score: -4

6:31pm Fri 6 Jun 14

ragj195 says...

FNS-man wrote:
Car-share schemes operate in a huge number of modern towns and cities around the world. They work very well, and really aren't that difficult to understand.... unless you are from Bournemouth, it would appear.
Most people here seem to think we're the guinea pig for some scheme destined to fail.

It's hard to believe this is all over ONE parking space.
[quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote: Car-share schemes operate in a huge number of modern towns and cities around the world. They work very well, and really aren't that difficult to understand.... unless you are from Bournemouth, it would appear.[/p][/quote]Most people here seem to think we're the guinea pig for some scheme destined to fail. It's hard to believe this is all over ONE parking space. ragj195
  • Score: -4

6:44pm Fri 6 Jun 14

yvonne33 says...

ragj195 wrote:
FNS-man wrote:
Car-share schemes operate in a huge number of modern towns and cities around the world. They work very well, and really aren't that difficult to understand.... unless you are from Bournemouth, it would appear.
Most people here seem to think we're the guinea pig for some scheme destined to fail.

It's hard to believe this is all over ONE parking space.
there are 48 all over the borough get facts right !!
[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote: Car-share schemes operate in a huge number of modern towns and cities around the world. They work very well, and really aren't that difficult to understand.... unless you are from Bournemouth, it would appear.[/p][/quote]Most people here seem to think we're the guinea pig for some scheme destined to fail. It's hard to believe this is all over ONE parking space.[/p][/quote]there are 48 all over the borough get facts right !! yvonne33
  • Score: 5

6:55pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Baysider says...

someonewhohasalife wrote:
The 'Council' consists of 2 parts - the councillors and the council officers. The former are lazy and agree to anything the latter suggest unless a petition of at least 50% of the population tells them otherwise. The latter are in their jobs because they are unable to perform in the real world.

To compensate for this they build themselves little empires and flex their muscles by causing maximum inconvenience and discomfort to the population. They particularly dislike car drivers as we fill up their roads and make their journeys longer.

If you've ever observed political life on the continent you would know that an elected mayor would soon knock them into shape and they would quickly be reminded that they are public SERVANTs, not our masters
What a charming attitude you have. Give yourself a big pat on the back for sharing your outdated, clichéd, right wing, ignorant views on a huge group of ordinary working people just trying to do the best they can at often very difficult and stressful jobs in the face of constant and unfair criticism, budget cuts, wage freezes and a general public only too happy to hold them responsible for decisions taken in Westminster or the council chambers.


Well done.
[quote][p][bold]someonewhohasalife[/bold] wrote: The 'Council' consists of 2 parts - the councillors and the council officers. The former are lazy and agree to anything the latter suggest unless a petition of at least 50% of the population tells them otherwise. The latter are in their jobs because they are unable to perform in the real world. To compensate for this they build themselves little empires and flex their muscles by causing maximum inconvenience and discomfort to the population. They particularly dislike car drivers as we fill up their roads and make their journeys longer. If you've ever observed political life on the continent you would know that an elected mayor would soon knock them into shape and they would quickly be reminded that they are public SERVANTs, not our masters[/p][/quote]What a charming attitude you have. Give yourself a big pat on the back for sharing your outdated, clichéd, right wing, ignorant views on a huge group of ordinary working people just trying to do the best they can at often very difficult and stressful jobs in the face of constant and unfair criticism, budget cuts, wage freezes and a general public only too happy to hold them responsible for decisions taken in Westminster or the council chambers. Well done. Baysider
  • Score: 1

6:57pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Baysider says...

Phixer wrote:
Bournemouth Ohec wrote:
I may be wrong, but it seems like this car club is a private company offering short term options of car hire to members who sign up for a minimal fee.

This company seems to offer rental fees that undercut traditional car hire companies and are given sole use of parking places allocated via the local council.

Is this legal, or could it be deemed anti competitive?
You can just about smell the brown envelopes coming out of the exhaust pipe.
Any evidence?
[quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournemouth Ohec[/bold] wrote: I may be wrong, but it seems like this car club is a private company offering short term options of car hire to members who sign up for a minimal fee. This company seems to offer rental fees that undercut traditional car hire companies and are given sole use of parking places allocated via the local council. Is this legal, or could it be deemed anti competitive?[/p][/quote]You can just about smell the brown envelopes coming out of the exhaust pipe.[/p][/quote]Any evidence? Baysider
  • Score: -2

8:22pm Fri 6 Jun 14

RONBID says...

esquisquirrel wrote:
Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away.

Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.
THE OFF ROAD PARKING YOU MENTION BELONGS TO THE UPSTAIRS OFFICES BEHIND BLUE DOOR
[quote][p][bold]esquisquirrel[/bold] wrote: Presumably we'll ignore the off-road parking spaces just out of view. Or the fact that he could park his own car elsewhere to make more room. Or the spaces round the corner on Seabourne Road. Or the huge car park one road away. Aside from that, excellent sadfacing. 9/10 - would take a photo of the inconvenience again.[/p][/quote]THE OFF ROAD PARKING YOU MENTION BELONGS TO THE UPSTAIRS OFFICES BEHIND BLUE DOOR RONBID
  • Score: 5

9:07pm Fri 6 Jun 14

ragj195 says...

yvonne33 wrote:
ragj195 wrote:
FNS-man wrote:
Car-share schemes operate in a huge number of modern towns and cities around the world. They work very well, and really aren't that difficult to understand.... unless you are from Bournemouth, it would appear.
Most people here seem to think we're the guinea pig for some scheme destined to fail.

It's hard to believe this is all over ONE parking space.
there are 48 all over the borough get facts right !!
How many is Martin so annoyed about? By the way, it's their not there.
[quote][p][bold]yvonne33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote: Car-share schemes operate in a huge number of modern towns and cities around the world. They work very well, and really aren't that difficult to understand.... unless you are from Bournemouth, it would appear.[/p][/quote]Most people here seem to think we're the guinea pig for some scheme destined to fail. It's hard to believe this is all over ONE parking space.[/p][/quote]there are 48 all over the borough get facts right !![/p][/quote]How many is Martin so annoyed about? By the way, it's their not there. ragj195
  • Score: 0

9:15pm Fri 6 Jun 14

yvonne33 says...

ragj195 wrote:
yvonne33 wrote:
ragj195 wrote:
FNS-man wrote:
Car-share schemes operate in a huge number of modern towns and cities around the world. They work very well, and really aren't that difficult to understand.... unless you are from Bournemouth, it would appear.
Most people here seem to think we're the guinea pig for some scheme destined to fail.

It's hard to believe this is all over ONE parking space.
there are 48 all over the borough get facts right !!
How many is Martin so annoyed about? By the way, it's their not there.
what a self righteous person I believe 2 in parkwood rd and 1 I southbourne rd
[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yvonne33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote: Car-share schemes operate in a huge number of modern towns and cities around the world. They work very well, and really aren't that difficult to understand.... unless you are from Bournemouth, it would appear.[/p][/quote]Most people here seem to think we're the guinea pig for some scheme destined to fail. It's hard to believe this is all over ONE parking space.[/p][/quote]there are 48 all over the borough get facts right !![/p][/quote]How many is Martin so annoyed about? By the way, it's their not there.[/p][/quote]what a self righteous person I believe 2 in parkwood rd and 1 I southbourne rd yvonne33
  • Score: 2

9:41pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Bournefre says...

There's been a car club in Brighton for years.
The idea is it's for people who only need a car for an hour or so every now and again, for example to drive to the supermarket, or if you want to put an emotive spin on it, to pick up a sick child or elderly relative from hospital. Maybe for someone who lives in the town centre, walks to work and doesn't have an allocated parking space so would risk a fortune in parking fines, not to mention paying for the upkeep of the car, insurance etc for the sake of using it for an hour a fortnight or so.

Yes there are already car hire companies, but they usually charge by the day, and you would usually have to travel a fair distance to and from the car hire centre, by which time you might as well have used whatever method of transport to get there to do whatever you wanted the car for.
It's like saying we don't need buses because we have trains.

I suppose the parking space could have been put in the car park, but the idea is so you can park somewhere convenient, such as with a bus stop.
As for nobody using them, they've only just been painted there - nobody's going to join a car club if they can't park where they need to go.
There's been a car club in Brighton for years. The idea is it's for people who only need a car for an hour or so every now and again, for example to drive to the supermarket, or if you want to put an emotive spin on it, to pick up a sick child or elderly relative from hospital. Maybe for someone who lives in the town centre, walks to work and doesn't have an allocated parking space so would risk a fortune in parking fines, not to mention paying for the upkeep of the car, insurance etc for the sake of using it for an hour a fortnight or so. Yes there are already car hire companies, but they usually charge by the day, and you would usually have to travel a fair distance to and from the car hire centre, by which time you might as well have used whatever method of transport to get there to do whatever you wanted the car for. It's like saying we don't need buses because we have trains. I suppose the parking space could have been put in the car park, but the idea is so you can park somewhere convenient, such as with a bus stop. As for nobody using them, they've only just been painted there - nobody's going to join a car club if they can't park where they need to go. Bournefre
  • Score: 3

10:36pm Fri 6 Jun 14

manyogie says...

:so, the Council can paint bays for a private firm, but not consult the ratepayers first?
Democracy sold to the highest bidder.
:so, the Council can paint bays for a private firm, but not consult the ratepayers first? Democracy sold to the highest bidder. manyogie
  • Score: 4

12:59am Sat 7 Jun 14

Not A Local says...

bobthedestroyer wrote:
Gonetothebeach wrote:
Really interesting and forward looking idea ...... In principle, at least. But come on, Bournemouth Council, why are you so consistently poor at proactively publicising and promoting such schemes to residents and obtaining their buy-in? What is it, who can join, how do you use it, when does it start?
It's probably a white elephant and will go the same way as Fibre city or whatever the hell they were called.

I can only surmise a payment has been made to the Council to get permission to do this.

These spaces should all be in council car parks not on the road
Fibre City are still very much alive and well, currently providing my 1 gig internet line under the trading name of Gigler, and they provide excellent service for a great price. No I don't work for them, I'm just a happy customer
[quote][p][bold]bobthedestroyer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gonetothebeach[/bold] wrote: Really interesting and forward looking idea ...... In principle, at least. But come on, Bournemouth Council, why are you so consistently poor at proactively publicising and promoting such schemes to residents and obtaining their buy-in? What is it, who can join, how do you use it, when does it start?[/p][/quote]It's probably a white elephant and will go the same way as Fibre city or whatever the hell they were called. I can only surmise a payment has been made to the Council to get permission to do this. These spaces should all be in council car parks not on the road[/p][/quote]Fibre City are still very much alive and well, currently providing my 1 gig internet line under the trading name of Gigler, and they provide excellent service for a great price. No I don't work for them, I'm just a happy customer Not A Local
  • Score: 0

7:07am Sat 7 Jun 14

RONBID says...

where do disabled customers fit in the scheme or get to the spaces ,whats the law should a blue badge holder park in the convenient car club space ?
where do disabled customers fit in the scheme or get to the spaces ,whats the law should a blue badge holder park in the convenient car club space ? RONBID
  • Score: 2

8:30am Sat 7 Jun 14

pete woodley says...

RONBID wrote:
where do disabled customers fit in the scheme or get to the spaces ,whats the law should a blue badge holder park in the convenient car club space ?
Pleas someone answer this.
[quote][p][bold]RONBID[/bold] wrote: where do disabled customers fit in the scheme or get to the spaces ,whats the law should a blue badge holder park in the convenient car club space ?[/p][/quote]Pleas someone answer this. pete woodley
  • Score: -2

9:43am Sat 7 Jun 14

Bournemouth Ohec says...

If you want a car for an hour what's wrong with a taxi?
If you want a car for an hour what's wrong with a taxi? Bournemouth Ohec
  • Score: 4

1:43pm Sat 7 Jun 14

alchemist says...

Gonetothebeach wrote:
Really interesting and forward looking idea ...... In principle, at least. But come on, Bournemouth Council, why are you so consistently poor at proactively publicising and promoting such schemes to residents and obtaining their buy-in? What is it, who can join, how do you use it, when does it start?
Not only to residents but also the businesses who trade in the areas that they are operating in. More liaison would make things much smoother for the council instead of suddenly surprising everyone.
[quote][p][bold]Gonetothebeach[/bold] wrote: Really interesting and forward looking idea ...... In principle, at least. But come on, Bournemouth Council, why are you so consistently poor at proactively publicising and promoting such schemes to residents and obtaining their buy-in? What is it, who can join, how do you use it, when does it start?[/p][/quote]Not only to residents but also the businesses who trade in the areas that they are operating in. More liaison would make things much smoother for the council instead of suddenly surprising everyone. alchemist
  • Score: 3

3:45pm Sat 7 Jun 14

British_Beef says...

I'm assuming all the above comments are made by able bodied drivers? As a disabled driver it saddens me when I see half cooked ideas getting money that could be better allocated elsewhere. But it is also a smack in the face for those who suffer from a lack of mobility. There are nowhere near enough spaces for the likes of us. Are we not valuable customers too? It's bad enough the few spaces that we do have get abused by able bodied ignorants feeling they can utilise an essential facility provided, without seeing prime positions for this nonsense. Good idea but poor execution.
I'm assuming all the above comments are made by able bodied drivers? As a disabled driver it saddens me when I see half cooked ideas getting money that could be better allocated elsewhere. But it is also a smack in the face for those who suffer from a lack of mobility. There are nowhere near enough spaces for the likes of us. Are we not valuable customers too? It's bad enough the few spaces that we do have get abused by able bodied ignorants feeling they can utilise an essential facility provided, without seeing prime positions for this nonsense. Good idea but poor execution. British_Beef
  • Score: 1

11:47pm Sun 8 Jun 14

Tictock says...

Another ill conceived, immature and naïve action by some hapless office Johnnie with no appreciation of community, geography or sensitivity. Fine ideal, rubbish application. Another Bournemouth foul-up!
Another ill conceived, immature and naïve action by some hapless office Johnnie with no appreciation of community, geography or sensitivity. Fine ideal, rubbish application. Another Bournemouth foul-up! Tictock
  • Score: -1

8:46pm Mon 9 Jun 14

bobthedestroyer says...

Not A Local wrote:
bobthedestroyer wrote:
Gonetothebeach wrote:
Really interesting and forward looking idea ...... In principle, at least. But come on, Bournemouth Council, why are you so consistently poor at proactively publicising and promoting such schemes to residents and obtaining their buy-in? What is it, who can join, how do you use it, when does it start?
It's probably a white elephant and will go the same way as Fibre city or whatever the hell they were called.

I can only surmise a payment has been made to the Council to get permission to do this.

These spaces should all be in council car parks not on the road
Fibre City are still very much alive and well, currently providing my 1 gig internet line under the trading name of Gigler, and they provide excellent service for a great price. No I don't work for them, I'm just a happy customer
Thought they died. Glad to hear they're still going. My comment was made based on no new cable being laid.
[quote][p][bold]Not A Local[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobthedestroyer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gonetothebeach[/bold] wrote: Really interesting and forward looking idea ...... In principle, at least. But come on, Bournemouth Council, why are you so consistently poor at proactively publicising and promoting such schemes to residents and obtaining their buy-in? What is it, who can join, how do you use it, when does it start?[/p][/quote]It's probably a white elephant and will go the same way as Fibre city or whatever the hell they were called. I can only surmise a payment has been made to the Council to get permission to do this. These spaces should all be in council car parks not on the road[/p][/quote]Fibre City are still very much alive and well, currently providing my 1 gig internet line under the trading name of Gigler, and they provide excellent service for a great price. No I don't work for them, I'm just a happy customer[/p][/quote]Thought they died. Glad to hear they're still going. My comment was made based on no new cable being laid. bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 0

4:35pm Tue 10 Jun 14

pete woodley says...

pete woodley wrote:
RONBID wrote:
where do disabled customers fit in the scheme or get to the spaces ,whats the law should a blue badge holder park in the convenient car club space ?
Pleas someone answer this.
COME ON WHATS THE ANSWER.
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RONBID[/bold] wrote: where do disabled customers fit in the scheme or get to the spaces ,whats the law should a blue badge holder park in the convenient car club space ?[/p][/quote]Pleas someone answer this.[/p][/quote]COME ON WHATS THE ANSWER. pete woodley
  • Score: 0

12:07am Thu 12 Jun 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

pete woodley wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
RONBID wrote:
where do disabled customers fit in the scheme or get to the spaces ,whats the law should a blue badge holder park in the convenient car club space ?
Pleas someone answer this.
COME ON WHATS THE ANSWER.
There are a few restrictions on where a disabled driver can park but car share certainly isn't one of them
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RONBID[/bold] wrote: where do disabled customers fit in the scheme or get to the spaces ,whats the law should a blue badge holder park in the convenient car club space ?[/p][/quote]Pleas someone answer this.[/p][/quote]COME ON WHATS THE ANSWER.[/p][/quote]There are a few restrictions on where a disabled driver can park but car share certainly isn't one of them Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 0

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