Motorist clocked reaching speeds of 122mph on A31 in the New Forest

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A RECKLESS driver was caught hitting speeds as high at 122mph in the New Forest, it has been revealed.

Shocking figures show that 122mph was the top speed recorded by Hampshire’s speed cameras by a driver racing along the A31.

Several drivers were clocked travelling at more than 100mph on Dorset’s roads, leading to safety campaigners calling for tougher penalties for speeding motorists.

The highest speed recorded by police in the past 12 months was 120mph on the A35 at the junction with the A350–50 miles above the limit.

Two more drivers were clocked speeding at 109mph and 107mph respectively on the Puddletown bypass.

Another speeder was stopped while doing 106mph on the A37 at Staggs Folly in a 60mph zone.

Across the country a motorist in on the M25 at Swanley holds the record for the highest speed clocked by a speed camera in England and Wales between April last year and May this year.

The figures were released by the Institute of Advanced Motorists (IAM).

IAM chief executive Simon Best said: “Speed limits are a limit. They are not a target to beat. Unfortunately this message has not got through to many motorists and it’s clear that efforts to make speeding as socially unacceptable as drink driving continue to fail.

“That’s why we need sustained campaigning by the government, motor industry and charities to keep ramming home the message that excessive speed kills.

“Catching speeders at two or even three times the limit also shows the importance of keeping speed cameras at well-known black spots.

“The current guidelines on sentencing for excessive speeding offences are out of sync with modern roads, modern vehicles and society’s view of the value of lives lost in crashes. We all share the roads with these speeding drivers and the government must crack down on them with more consistent penalties and tougher measures to break their addiction for speed.”

  • The highest speed recorded on 30mph road was 96mph on the B1288, on Leam Lane, Gateshead
  • The highest speed recorded on a 50mph road was on the A414 Stanstead Abbotts, Hertfordshire where a motorist clocked 119 mph
  • The highest speed recorded on a 60mph road was 127mph on the A413 Wendover By-Pass, Wendover

The guidelines to magistrates on sentencing for speeding include:

  • 70 mph road: For driving between 101 and 110 mph. Fine plus 6 points or disqualified for 7-56 days.
  • 50 mph road: For driving between 76 and 85 mph. Fine plus 6 points or disqualified for 7-56 days.
  • 30 mph road: For driving between 51 and 60mph. Fine plus 6 points or disqualified for 7-56 days.

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12:19pm Wed 28 May 14

speedy231278 says...

How many people did this person kill or injure?
How many people did this person kill or injure? speedy231278
  • Score: -27

12:23pm Wed 28 May 14

skydriver says...

speedy231278 wrote:
How many people did this person kill or injure?
So what , whether he did or didn't, he exceeded the speed limit which is for all to be observed including him, can hope he learns from his stupidity., although I doubt it, and from the sounds of it I doubt you will either.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: How many people did this person kill or injure?[/p][/quote]So what , whether he did or didn't, he exceeded the speed limit which is for all to be observed including him, can hope he learns from his stupidity., although I doubt it, and from the sounds of it I doubt you will either. skydriver
  • Score: 27

12:29pm Wed 28 May 14

Bob Bournemouth says...

So, have these people appeared in court yet or did they get away with it?
So, have these people appeared in court yet or did they get away with it? Bob Bournemouth
  • Score: 4

1:26pm Wed 28 May 14

Controversial But True says...

Bob Bournemouth wrote:
So, have these people appeared in court yet or did they get away with it?
They will probably get away with it as a result of police cutbacks, which is a result of this appalling government!! I doubt the local PCSO would or could give chase on his rusty old bike!
[quote][p][bold]Bob Bournemouth[/bold] wrote: So, have these people appeared in court yet or did they get away with it?[/p][/quote]They will probably get away with it as a result of police cutbacks, which is a result of this appalling government!! I doubt the local PCSO would or could give chase on his rusty old bike! Controversial But True
  • Score: 5

1:27pm Wed 28 May 14

AustinMark says...

Not excusing the speed but people need to realise that 120mph in a modern car is smoother and safer than it was in the cars available when the national speed limit was introduced almost 50 years ago!
Not excusing the speed but people need to realise that 120mph in a modern car is smoother and safer than it was in the cars available when the national speed limit was introduced almost 50 years ago! AustinMark
  • Score: 13

1:31pm Wed 28 May 14

bsjc1234 says...

I managed 15mph on Castle Lane this morning, thought that was impressive. Must be because the schools are off.
I managed 15mph on Castle Lane this morning, thought that was impressive. Must be because the schools are off. bsjc1234
  • Score: 43

1:43pm Wed 28 May 14

itsneverblackorwhite says...

name and shame on a video screen on the main forest road!
name and shame on a video screen on the main forest road! itsneverblackorwhite
  • Score: -3

1:45pm Wed 28 May 14

jpwf says...

skydriver wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
How many people did this person kill or injure?
So what , whether he did or didn't, he exceeded the speed limit which is for all to be observed including him, can hope he learns from his stupidity., although I doubt it, and from the sounds of it I doubt you will either.
Of course it matters wether he actually hurt or killed anyone! Rules are not there for the sake of themselves they are there (mostly) for a good reason - in this case preventing someone from being hurt of killed.
[quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: How many people did this person kill or injure?[/p][/quote]So what , whether he did or didn't, he exceeded the speed limit which is for all to be observed including him, can hope he learns from his stupidity., although I doubt it, and from the sounds of it I doubt you will either.[/p][/quote]Of course it matters wether he actually hurt or killed anyone! Rules are not there for the sake of themselves they are there (mostly) for a good reason - in this case preventing someone from being hurt of killed. jpwf
  • Score: 12

2:28pm Wed 28 May 14

speedy231278 says...

skydriver wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
How many people did this person kill or injure?
So what , whether he did or didn't, he exceeded the speed limit which is for all to be observed including him, can hope he learns from his stupidity., although I doubt it, and from the sounds of it I doubt you will either.
Odd, I thought that most people here thought the rules of the road could be ignored so long as you don't hurt anyone, or does that only apply to cyclists on pavements, in pedestrian areas, going the wrong way on one-way roads or going through red lights, and not car drivers?

I would class 40 in a 30 a hundred times more reckless than 122mph on the A31. Neither are legal, and neither are to be condoned.
[quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: How many people did this person kill or injure?[/p][/quote]So what , whether he did or didn't, he exceeded the speed limit which is for all to be observed including him, can hope he learns from his stupidity., although I doubt it, and from the sounds of it I doubt you will either.[/p][/quote]Odd, I thought that most people here thought the rules of the road could be ignored so long as you don't hurt anyone, or does that only apply to cyclists on pavements, in pedestrian areas, going the wrong way on one-way roads or going through red lights, and not car drivers? I would class 40 in a 30 a hundred times more reckless than 122mph on the A31. Neither are legal, and neither are to be condoned. speedy231278
  • Score: -1

2:29pm Wed 28 May 14

speedy231278 says...

AustinMark wrote:
Not excusing the speed but people need to realise that 120mph in a modern car is smoother and safer than it was in the cars available when the national speed limit was introduced almost 50 years ago!
With most cars it would not have been possible 50 years ago!
[quote][p][bold]AustinMark[/bold] wrote: Not excusing the speed but people need to realise that 120mph in a modern car is smoother and safer than it was in the cars available when the national speed limit was introduced almost 50 years ago![/p][/quote]With most cars it would not have been possible 50 years ago! speedy231278
  • Score: 16

2:36pm Wed 28 May 14

boardsandphotos says...

jpwf wrote:
skydriver wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
How many people did this person kill or injure?
So what , whether he did or didn't, he exceeded the speed limit which is for all to be observed including him, can hope he learns from his stupidity., although I doubt it, and from the sounds of it I doubt you will either.
Of course it matters wether he actually hurt or killed anyone! Rules are not there for the sake of themselves they are there (mostly) for a good reason - in this case preventing someone from being hurt of killed.
Agreed.

Some seople are quick to shout 'speed doesn't kill' which by itself is correct, however, the speed in which you hit an object IS a factor in the final outcome of a collision, it's a question of physics really.
[quote][p][bold]jpwf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: How many people did this person kill or injure?[/p][/quote]So what , whether he did or didn't, he exceeded the speed limit which is for all to be observed including him, can hope he learns from his stupidity., although I doubt it, and from the sounds of it I doubt you will either.[/p][/quote]Of course it matters wether he actually hurt or killed anyone! Rules are not there for the sake of themselves they are there (mostly) for a good reason - in this case preventing someone from being hurt of killed.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Some seople are quick to shout 'speed doesn't kill' which by itself is correct, however, the speed in which you hit an object IS a factor in the final outcome of a collision, it's a question of physics really. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 17

2:37pm Wed 28 May 14

TrevorH says...

AustinMark wrote:
Not excusing the speed but people need to realise that 120mph in a modern car is smoother and safer than it was in the cars available when the national speed limit was introduced almost 50 years ago!
Can 120mph be safer than it was 50 years ago considering in Great Britain there are close to 35m vehicles licensed for use today? A lot more things to hit than 50 years ago, surely?
[quote][p][bold]AustinMark[/bold] wrote: Not excusing the speed but people need to realise that 120mph in a modern car is smoother and safer than it was in the cars available when the national speed limit was introduced almost 50 years ago![/p][/quote]Can 120mph be safer than it was 50 years ago considering in Great Britain there are close to 35m vehicles licensed for use today? A lot more things to hit than 50 years ago, surely? TrevorH
  • Score: 12

2:42pm Wed 28 May 14

boardsandphotos says...

TrevorH wrote:
AustinMark wrote:
Not excusing the speed but people need to realise that 120mph in a modern car is smoother and safer than it was in the cars available when the national speed limit was introduced almost 50 years ago!
Can 120mph be safer than it was 50 years ago considering in Great Britain there are close to 35m vehicles licensed for use today? A lot more things to hit than 50 years ago, surely?
Agreed, 120mph in a modern car is a smooth ride right up until you hit something.
[quote][p][bold]TrevorH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AustinMark[/bold] wrote: Not excusing the speed but people need to realise that 120mph in a modern car is smoother and safer than it was in the cars available when the national speed limit was introduced almost 50 years ago![/p][/quote]Can 120mph be safer than it was 50 years ago considering in Great Britain there are close to 35m vehicles licensed for use today? A lot more things to hit than 50 years ago, surely?[/p][/quote]Agreed, 120mph in a modern car is a smooth ride right up until you hit something. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 17

2:51pm Wed 28 May 14

Hessenford says...

There are more drivers using mobile phones while driving than there is speeding.
There are more drivers using mobile phones while driving than there is speeding. Hessenford
  • Score: 12

3:00pm Wed 28 May 14

M0Z says...

A friend of mine spent most of the weekend hacking it along East Overcliff Drive at three times the speed limit without incident. Speed alone isn't the problem, bad driving is.
A friend of mine spent most of the weekend hacking it along East Overcliff Drive at three times the speed limit without incident. Speed alone isn't the problem, bad driving is. M0Z
  • Score: 7

3:12pm Wed 28 May 14

billy bumble says...

i see the mob mentality hang em high attitude of the speed campaigners are out in force ( in the article - not the comments on the thread )

This person is NOT representative of , and will be universally condemned by , the drivers who do 80 on a motorway when it is safe to do so

The penalties for EXCESSIVE speeding need to be increased- not penalizing all drivers
i see the mob mentality hang em high attitude of the speed campaigners are out in force ( in the article - not the comments on the thread ) This person is NOT representative of , and will be universally condemned by , the drivers who do 80 on a motorway when it is safe to do so The penalties for EXCESSIVE speeding need to be increased- not penalizing all drivers billy bumble
  • Score: -2

3:18pm Wed 28 May 14

Stereotyped says...

M0Z wrote:
A friend of mine spent most of the weekend hacking it along East Overcliff Drive at three times the speed limit without incident. Speed alone isn't the problem, bad driving is.
This! This! This!

Speed is not the issue, it is driver competency... I have said this numerous times before and stand by it.
[quote][p][bold]M0Z[/bold] wrote: A friend of mine spent most of the weekend hacking it along East Overcliff Drive at three times the speed limit without incident. Speed alone isn't the problem, bad driving is.[/p][/quote]This! This! This! Speed is not the issue, it is driver competency... I have said this numerous times before and stand by it. Stereotyped
  • Score: 5

3:43pm Wed 28 May 14

boardsandphotos says...

Stereotyped wrote:
M0Z wrote:
A friend of mine spent most of the weekend hacking it along East Overcliff Drive at three times the speed limit without incident. Speed alone isn't the problem, bad driving is.
This! This! This!

Speed is not the issue, it is driver competency... I have said this numerous times before and stand by it.
....and you continue to miss the points already dicussed above, as you have done numerous times before.
[quote][p][bold]Stereotyped[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M0Z[/bold] wrote: A friend of mine spent most of the weekend hacking it along East Overcliff Drive at three times the speed limit without incident. Speed alone isn't the problem, bad driving is.[/p][/quote]This! This! This! Speed is not the issue, it is driver competency... I have said this numerous times before and stand by it.[/p][/quote]....and you continue to miss the points already dicussed above, as you have done numerous times before. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 2

4:01pm Wed 28 May 14

504gld says...

Simon Best said: “Speed limits are a limit. They are not a target to beat. " ....... - Clearly doesn't apply to Bournemouth taxi cabs especially on the Wessex Way.
Simon Best said: “Speed limits are a limit. They are not a target to beat. " ....... - Clearly doesn't apply to Bournemouth taxi cabs especially on the Wessex Way. 504gld
  • Score: 8

4:47pm Wed 28 May 14

muscliffman says...

Maybe time to have a word Bournemouth and Poole Council, I am sure they would love to roll out their completely unwanted anti-motorist 'Three Towns Travel' scheme and 'improve' this bit of road. Then it will be dangerously confusing, look hideous and anyone will be lucky to drive on it at anything approaching 22mph.......unless they are riding a bicycle!
Maybe time to have a word Bournemouth and Poole Council, I am sure they would love to roll out their completely unwanted anti-motorist 'Three Towns Travel' scheme and 'improve' this bit of road. Then it will be dangerously confusing, look hideous and anyone will be lucky to drive on it at anything approaching 22mph.......unless they are riding a bicycle! muscliffman
  • Score: 0

5:12pm Wed 28 May 14

3795x says...

I assume the marked police car (who was not on call) which was speeding over the 50mph limit on the A31 last night will be appropriately punished also...rules are for everyone!
I assume the marked police car (who was not on call) which was speeding over the 50mph limit on the A31 last night will be appropriately punished also...rules are for everyone! 3795x
  • Score: 1

5:31pm Wed 28 May 14

Arthur Maureen says...

speedy231278 wrote:
How many people did this person kill or injure?
prat
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: How many people did this person kill or injure?[/p][/quote]prat Arthur Maureen
  • Score: 8

5:50pm Wed 28 May 14

Phixer says...

Controversial But True wrote:
Bob Bournemouth wrote:
So, have these people appeared in court yet or did they get away with it?
They will probably get away with it as a result of police cutbacks, which is a result of this appalling government!! I doubt the local PCSO would or could give chase on his rusty old bike!
'Controversial But a Pack of Lies' must be another of them hypocritical socialists who has conveniently forgotten that PCSOs were introduced 2002, about the same time that the government started robbing its citizens to support its vote protection rackets of increased immigration and public serpents.

'Controversial But a Pack of Lies' also choses to ignore the report that the driver was 'caught'.
[quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Bournemouth[/bold] wrote: So, have these people appeared in court yet or did they get away with it?[/p][/quote]They will probably get away with it as a result of police cutbacks, which is a result of this appalling government!! I doubt the local PCSO would or could give chase on his rusty old bike![/p][/quote]'Controversial But a Pack of Lies' must be another of them hypocritical socialists who has conveniently forgotten that PCSOs were introduced 2002, about the same time that the government started robbing its citizens to support its vote protection rackets of increased immigration and public serpents. 'Controversial But a Pack of Lies' also choses to ignore the report that the driver was 'caught'. Phixer
  • Score: 0

6:06pm Wed 28 May 14

Controversial But True says...

Phixer wrote:
Controversial But True wrote:
Bob Bournemouth wrote:
So, have these people appeared in court yet or did they get away with it?
They will probably get away with it as a result of police cutbacks, which is a result of this appalling government!! I doubt the local PCSO would or could give chase on his rusty old bike!
'Controversial But a Pack of Lies' must be another of them hypocritical socialists who has conveniently forgotten that PCSOs were introduced 2002, about the same time that the government started robbing its citizens to support its vote protection rackets of increased immigration and public serpents.

'Controversial But a Pack of Lies' also choses to ignore the report that the driver was 'caught'.
Contraversial but a pack of lie scan spell 'chooses' and isn't socialist. Go figure!
[quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Bournemouth[/bold] wrote: So, have these people appeared in court yet or did they get away with it?[/p][/quote]They will probably get away with it as a result of police cutbacks, which is a result of this appalling government!! I doubt the local PCSO would or could give chase on his rusty old bike![/p][/quote]'Controversial But a Pack of Lies' must be another of them hypocritical socialists who has conveniently forgotten that PCSOs were introduced 2002, about the same time that the government started robbing its citizens to support its vote protection rackets of increased immigration and public serpents. 'Controversial But a Pack of Lies' also choses to ignore the report that the driver was 'caught'.[/p][/quote]Contraversial but a pack of lie scan spell 'chooses' and isn't socialist. Go figure! Controversial But True
  • Score: -1

6:10pm Wed 28 May 14

Controversial But True says...

Controversial But True wrote:
Phixer wrote:
Controversial But True wrote:
Bob Bournemouth wrote:
So, have these people appeared in court yet or did they get away with it?
They will probably get away with it as a result of police cutbacks, which is a result of this appalling government!! I doubt the local PCSO would or could give chase on his rusty old bike!
'Controversial But a Pack of Lies' must be another of them hypocritical socialists who has conveniently forgotten that PCSOs were introduced 2002, about the same time that the government started robbing its citizens to support its vote protection rackets of increased immigration and public serpents.

'Controversial But a Pack of Lies' also choses to ignore the report that the driver was 'caught'.
Contraversial but a pack of lie scan spell 'chooses' and isn't socialist. Go figure!
See what I did there?
[quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Bournemouth[/bold] wrote: So, have these people appeared in court yet or did they get away with it?[/p][/quote]They will probably get away with it as a result of police cutbacks, which is a result of this appalling government!! I doubt the local PCSO would or could give chase on his rusty old bike![/p][/quote]'Controversial But a Pack of Lies' must be another of them hypocritical socialists who has conveniently forgotten that PCSOs were introduced 2002, about the same time that the government started robbing its citizens to support its vote protection rackets of increased immigration and public serpents. 'Controversial But a Pack of Lies' also choses to ignore the report that the driver was 'caught'.[/p][/quote]Contraversial but a pack of lie scan spell 'chooses' and isn't socialist. Go figure![/p][/quote]See what I did there? Controversial But True
  • Score: 1

6:15pm Wed 28 May 14

asj says...

AustinMark wrote:
Not excusing the speed but people need to realise that 120mph in a modern car is smoother and safer than it was in the cars available when the national speed limit was introduced almost 50 years ago!
fully agree, it was far more dangerous driving at 70 miles an hour in a ford Anglia or the like back in the 60's. the stopping time in most modern cars is many times quicker. and with abs etc far safer
[quote][p][bold]AustinMark[/bold] wrote: Not excusing the speed but people need to realise that 120mph in a modern car is smoother and safer than it was in the cars available when the national speed limit was introduced almost 50 years ago![/p][/quote]fully agree, it was far more dangerous driving at 70 miles an hour in a ford Anglia or the like back in the 60's. the stopping time in most modern cars is many times quicker. and with abs etc far safer asj
  • Score: 1

6:51pm Wed 28 May 14

Bournemouthfan2 says...

Lets face it a 'safe' speed limit is an arbitrary decision by a committee, 70mph max in the UK no limit (max) in Germany. Has Germany got it completely wrong? Are the Autobahns creating rows of body bags?
While some of those caught were no doubt being reckless and deserve to be banned others 'may' have been caught by the 'committee speed limit' on a deserted 70mph road in the middle of the night.
My view is that motorways should be at least 80mph limit in the dry and 70mph max when wet (as the French dual speed limit).
Lets face it a 'safe' speed limit is an arbitrary decision by a committee, 70mph max in the UK no limit (max) in Germany. Has Germany got it completely wrong? Are the Autobahns creating rows of body bags? While some of those caught were no doubt being reckless and deserve to be banned others 'may' have been caught by the 'committee speed limit' on a deserted 70mph road in the middle of the night. My view is that motorways should be at least 80mph limit in the dry and 70mph max when wet (as the French dual speed limit). Bournemouthfan2
  • Score: 3

7:58pm Wed 28 May 14

SympatheticSam says...

I've gone faster down Stoney Cross.
I've gone faster down Stoney Cross. SympatheticSam
  • Score: -2

8:11pm Wed 28 May 14

Karmenn says...

3795x wrote:
I assume the marked police car (who was not on call) which was speeding over the 50mph limit on the A31 last night will be appropriately punished also...rules are for everyone!
How do you know it wasn't on a call??...unless you were in it.
[quote][p][bold]3795x[/bold] wrote: I assume the marked police car (who was not on call) which was speeding over the 50mph limit on the A31 last night will be appropriately punished also...rules are for everyone![/p][/quote]How do you know it wasn't on a call??...unless you were in it. Karmenn
  • Score: 5

8:13pm Wed 28 May 14

pitbull74 says...

3795x wrote:
I assume the marked police car (who was not on call) which was speeding over the 50mph limit on the A31 last night will be appropriately punished also...rules are for everyone!
For your info, the Police don't always travel on blues and twos when travelling to a call. It depends on the type of incident. If making progress to catch a vehicle up they don't have to use them either, in fact the police are exempt from speed limits. So technically rules aren't for everyone. Sorry
[quote][p][bold]3795x[/bold] wrote: I assume the marked police car (who was not on call) which was speeding over the 50mph limit on the A31 last night will be appropriately punished also...rules are for everyone![/p][/quote]For your info, the Police don't always travel on blues and twos when travelling to a call. It depends on the type of incident. If making progress to catch a vehicle up they don't have to use them either, in fact the police are exempt from speed limits. So technically rules aren't for everyone. Sorry pitbull74
  • Score: 6

8:28pm Wed 28 May 14

mikeymagic says...

pitbull74 wrote:
3795x wrote:
I assume the marked police car (who was not on call) which was speeding over the 50mph limit on the A31 last night will be appropriately punished also...rules are for everyone!
For your info, the Police don't always travel on blues and twos when travelling to a call. It depends on the type of incident. If making progress to catch a vehicle up they don't have to use them either, in fact the police are exempt from speed limits. So technically rules aren't for everyone. Sorry
Not how I understood the law. An officer driving in their course of duty is to obey speed limits unless reason not to. So is it not the case that simply driving from the bakery back to the police station and being caught by a camera would be an offence? I happen to know more that one officer with points on his licence.
[quote][p][bold]pitbull74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]3795x[/bold] wrote: I assume the marked police car (who was not on call) which was speeding over the 50mph limit on the A31 last night will be appropriately punished also...rules are for everyone![/p][/quote]For your info, the Police don't always travel on blues and twos when travelling to a call. It depends on the type of incident. If making progress to catch a vehicle up they don't have to use them either, in fact the police are exempt from speed limits. So technically rules aren't for everyone. Sorry[/p][/quote]Not how I understood the law. An officer driving in their course of duty is to obey speed limits unless reason not to. So is it not the case that simply driving from the bakery back to the police station and being caught by a camera would be an offence? I happen to know more that one officer with points on his licence. mikeymagic
  • Score: -2

9:39pm Wed 28 May 14

pitbull74 says...

mikeymagic wrote:
pitbull74 wrote:
3795x wrote:
I assume the marked police car (who was not on call) which was speeding over the 50mph limit on the A31 last night will be appropriately punished also...rules are for everyone!
For your info, the Police don't always travel on blues and twos when travelling to a call. It depends on the type of incident. If making progress to catch a vehicle up they don't have to use them either, in fact the police are exempt from speed limits. So technically rules aren't for everyone. Sorry
Not how I understood the law. An officer driving in their course of duty is to obey speed limits unless reason not to. So is it not the case that simply driving from the bakery back to the police station and being caught by a camera would be an offence? I happen to know more that one officer with points on his licence.
I wasn't referring to driving whilst not on a call, I was simply pointing out that because a police vehicle is travelling above the speed limit without blues and two's does not necessarily mean it was driving illegally. The police vehicle should also be driven by a suitably qualified driver. I could list a whole load of examples of travelling above the speed limit without the ancillary equipment on but won't. It has to be justified and the officer is still accountable should the driving fall into the realms of dangerous driving etc.. But that would be down to the court to decide. Yes as you state, speeding whilst travelling back from a bakery to the station isn't really one you could justify.
Basically the rules are different for emergency drivers, therefore not the same for everyone which is what I was replying to in the original post. sorry for any confusion caused.
[quote][p][bold]mikeymagic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pitbull74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]3795x[/bold] wrote: I assume the marked police car (who was not on call) which was speeding over the 50mph limit on the A31 last night will be appropriately punished also...rules are for everyone![/p][/quote]For your info, the Police don't always travel on blues and twos when travelling to a call. It depends on the type of incident. If making progress to catch a vehicle up they don't have to use them either, in fact the police are exempt from speed limits. So technically rules aren't for everyone. Sorry[/p][/quote]Not how I understood the law. An officer driving in their course of duty is to obey speed limits unless reason not to. So is it not the case that simply driving from the bakery back to the police station and being caught by a camera would be an offence? I happen to know more that one officer with points on his licence.[/p][/quote]I wasn't referring to driving whilst not on a call, I was simply pointing out that because a police vehicle is travelling above the speed limit without blues and two's does not necessarily mean it was driving illegally. The police vehicle should also be driven by a suitably qualified driver. I could list a whole load of examples of travelling above the speed limit without the ancillary equipment on but won't. It has to be justified and the officer is still accountable should the driving fall into the realms of dangerous driving etc.. But that would be down to the court to decide. Yes as you state, speeding whilst travelling back from a bakery to the station isn't really one you could justify. Basically the rules are different for emergency drivers, therefore not the same for everyone which is what I was replying to in the original post. sorry for any confusion caused. pitbull74
  • Score: 2

10:05pm Wed 28 May 14

eaststandman says...

Bournemouthfan2 wrote:
Lets face it a 'safe' speed limit is an arbitrary decision by a committee, 70mph max in the UK no limit (max) in Germany. Has Germany got it completely wrong? Are the Autobahns creating rows of body bags?
While some of those caught were no doubt being reckless and deserve to be banned others 'may' have been caught by the 'committee speed limit' on a deserted 70mph road in the middle of the night.
My view is that motorways should be at least 80mph limit in the dry and 70mph max when wet (as the French dual speed limit).
You ever lived in Germany ? I have, and they do have speed limits. Lots of them.
There are parts of autobahns (where there no junctions) where you can go fast. But when they have a crash - boy, do they crash.
I only witnessed one fatality though, so I'm no data expert.
[quote][p][bold]Bournemouthfan2[/bold] wrote: Lets face it a 'safe' speed limit is an arbitrary decision by a committee, 70mph max in the UK no limit (max) in Germany. Has Germany got it completely wrong? Are the Autobahns creating rows of body bags? While some of those caught were no doubt being reckless and deserve to be banned others 'may' have been caught by the 'committee speed limit' on a deserted 70mph road in the middle of the night. My view is that motorways should be at least 80mph limit in the dry and 70mph max when wet (as the French dual speed limit).[/p][/quote]You ever lived in Germany ? I have, and they do have speed limits. Lots of them. There are parts of autobahns (where there no junctions) where you can go fast. But when they have a crash - boy, do they crash. I only witnessed one fatality though, so I'm no data expert. eaststandman
  • Score: 3

10:37pm Wed 28 May 14

sprintervanman says...

eaststandman wrote:
Bournemouthfan2 wrote:
Lets face it a 'safe' speed limit is an arbitrary decision by a committee, 70mph max in the UK no limit (max) in Germany. Has Germany got it completely wrong? Are the Autobahns creating rows of body bags?
While some of those caught were no doubt being reckless and deserve to be banned others 'may' have been caught by the 'committee speed limit' on a deserted 70mph road in the middle of the night.
My view is that motorways should be at least 80mph limit in the dry and 70mph max when wet (as the French dual speed limit).
You ever lived in Germany ? I have, and they do have speed limits. Lots of them.
There are parts of autobahns (where there no junctions) where you can go fast. But when they have a crash - boy, do they crash.
I only witnessed one fatality though, so I'm no data expert.
Agree on that one.Germany are very strict on their Speed limits where they are enforced.As to the crashes on the Autobahns, whilst never have witnessed a crash at the top end speed of them have been told by many German Friends/Drivers that when they do occur the Emergency services tend not to hurry to the scene because at the speeds those crashes happen at there is very often little left of either vehicle or persons.
[quote][p][bold]eaststandman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournemouthfan2[/bold] wrote: Lets face it a 'safe' speed limit is an arbitrary decision by a committee, 70mph max in the UK no limit (max) in Germany. Has Germany got it completely wrong? Are the Autobahns creating rows of body bags? While some of those caught were no doubt being reckless and deserve to be banned others 'may' have been caught by the 'committee speed limit' on a deserted 70mph road in the middle of the night. My view is that motorways should be at least 80mph limit in the dry and 70mph max when wet (as the French dual speed limit).[/p][/quote]You ever lived in Germany ? I have, and they do have speed limits. Lots of them. There are parts of autobahns (where there no junctions) where you can go fast. But when they have a crash - boy, do they crash. I only witnessed one fatality though, so I'm no data expert.[/p][/quote]Agree on that one.Germany are very strict on their Speed limits where they are enforced.As to the crashes on the Autobahns, whilst never have witnessed a crash at the top end speed of them have been told by many German Friends/Drivers that when they do occur the Emergency services tend not to hurry to the scene because at the speeds those crashes happen at there is very often little left of either vehicle or persons. sprintervanman
  • Score: 4

10:42pm Wed 28 May 14

Rally says...

Bournemouthfan2 wrote:
Lets face it a 'safe' speed limit is an arbitrary decision by a committee, 70mph max in the UK no limit (max) in Germany. Has Germany got it completely wrong? Are the Autobahns creating rows of body bags?
While some of those caught were no doubt being reckless and deserve to be banned others 'may' have been caught by the 'committee speed limit' on a deserted 70mph road in the middle of the night.
My view is that motorways should be at least 80mph limit in the dry and 70mph max when wet (as the French dual speed limit).
But who decides what is and what is not an appropriate speed for any given road/highway in any given condition?
Imagine the carnage that would ensue if all speed limits were lifted and drivers were left to decide for themselves what is or what is not an appropriate top speed.
Yes, there are posted speed limits that could be upped safely (say, for example, Wessex Way 60mph instead of 50mph), but, equally, there are posted limits that are too high (for example, 60mph on a narrow, twisting country road).
Face it, folks, there is no easy answer to this problem.
[quote][p][bold]Bournemouthfan2[/bold] wrote: Lets face it a 'safe' speed limit is an arbitrary decision by a committee, 70mph max in the UK no limit (max) in Germany. Has Germany got it completely wrong? Are the Autobahns creating rows of body bags? While some of those caught were no doubt being reckless and deserve to be banned others 'may' have been caught by the 'committee speed limit' on a deserted 70mph road in the middle of the night. My view is that motorways should be at least 80mph limit in the dry and 70mph max when wet (as the French dual speed limit).[/p][/quote]But who decides what is and what is not an appropriate speed for any given road/highway in any given condition? Imagine the carnage that would ensue if all speed limits were lifted and drivers were left to decide for themselves what is or what is not an appropriate top speed. Yes, there are posted speed limits that could be upped safely (say, for example, Wessex Way 60mph instead of 50mph), but, equally, there are posted limits that are too high (for example, 60mph on a narrow, twisting country road). Face it, folks, there is no easy answer to this problem. Rally
  • Score: 7

10:50pm Wed 28 May 14

sprintervanman says...

Rally wrote:
Bournemouthfan2 wrote:
Lets face it a 'safe' speed limit is an arbitrary decision by a committee, 70mph max in the UK no limit (max) in Germany. Has Germany got it completely wrong? Are the Autobahns creating rows of body bags?
While some of those caught were no doubt being reckless and deserve to be banned others 'may' have been caught by the 'committee speed limit' on a deserted 70mph road in the middle of the night.
My view is that motorways should be at least 80mph limit in the dry and 70mph max when wet (as the French dual speed limit).
But who decides what is and what is not an appropriate speed for any given road/highway in any given condition?
Imagine the carnage that would ensue if all speed limits were lifted and drivers were left to decide for themselves what is or what is not an appropriate top speed.
Yes, there are posted speed limits that could be upped safely (say, for example, Wessex Way 60mph instead of 50mph), but, equally, there are posted limits that are too high (for example, 60mph on a narrow, twisting country road).
Face it, folks, there is no easy answer to this problem.
Wise words Rally
[quote][p][bold]Rally[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournemouthfan2[/bold] wrote: Lets face it a 'safe' speed limit is an arbitrary decision by a committee, 70mph max in the UK no limit (max) in Germany. Has Germany got it completely wrong? Are the Autobahns creating rows of body bags? While some of those caught were no doubt being reckless and deserve to be banned others 'may' have been caught by the 'committee speed limit' on a deserted 70mph road in the middle of the night. My view is that motorways should be at least 80mph limit in the dry and 70mph max when wet (as the French dual speed limit).[/p][/quote]But who decides what is and what is not an appropriate speed for any given road/highway in any given condition? Imagine the carnage that would ensue if all speed limits were lifted and drivers were left to decide for themselves what is or what is not an appropriate top speed. Yes, there are posted speed limits that could be upped safely (say, for example, Wessex Way 60mph instead of 50mph), but, equally, there are posted limits that are too high (for example, 60mph on a narrow, twisting country road). Face it, folks, there is no easy answer to this problem.[/p][/quote]Wise words Rally sprintervanman
  • Score: 6

10:59pm Wed 28 May 14

breamoreboy says...

Stereotyped wrote:
M0Z wrote:
A friend of mine spent most of the weekend hacking it along East Overcliff Drive at three times the speed limit without incident. Speed alone isn't the problem, bad driving is.
This! This! This!

Speed is not the issue, it is driver competency... I have said this numerous times before and stand by it.
You can be one of the finest members of the Institute of Advanced Motorists, but make one misjudgement at the wrong speed anywhere and it's very likely to be your last.
[quote][p][bold]Stereotyped[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M0Z[/bold] wrote: A friend of mine spent most of the weekend hacking it along East Overcliff Drive at three times the speed limit without incident. Speed alone isn't the problem, bad driving is.[/p][/quote]This! This! This! Speed is not the issue, it is driver competency... I have said this numerous times before and stand by it.[/p][/quote]You can be one of the finest members of the Institute of Advanced Motorists, but make one misjudgement at the wrong speed anywhere and it's very likely to be your last. breamoreboy
  • Score: 6

11:03pm Wed 28 May 14

breamoreboy says...

asj wrote:
AustinMark wrote:
Not excusing the speed but people need to realise that 120mph in a modern car is smoother and safer than it was in the cars available when the national speed limit was introduced almost 50 years ago!
fully agree, it was far more dangerous driving at 70 miles an hour in a ford Anglia or the like back in the 60's. the stopping time in most modern cars is many times quicker. and with abs etc far safer
By what factor has the human being improved its reaction time during the same 50 years?
[quote][p][bold]asj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AustinMark[/bold] wrote: Not excusing the speed but people need to realise that 120mph in a modern car is smoother and safer than it was in the cars available when the national speed limit was introduced almost 50 years ago![/p][/quote]fully agree, it was far more dangerous driving at 70 miles an hour in a ford Anglia or the like back in the 60's. the stopping time in most modern cars is many times quicker. and with abs etc far safer[/p][/quote]By what factor has the human being improved its reaction time during the same 50 years? breamoreboy
  • Score: 3

11:23pm Wed 28 May 14

3795x says...

Karmenn wrote:
3795x wrote:
I assume the marked police car (who was not on call) which was speeding over the 50mph limit on the A31 last night will be appropriately punished also...rules are for everyone!
How do you know it wasn't on a call??...unless you were in it.
Because it stopped for food at the same place I did. I obviously am aware that police are allowed to speed without blues for various reasons but they clearly weren't when they stopped at the same place. They were doing about 55-60 max though but still would have been over the 10% threshold for cameras.
[quote][p][bold]Karmenn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]3795x[/bold] wrote: I assume the marked police car (who was not on call) which was speeding over the 50mph limit on the A31 last night will be appropriately punished also...rules are for everyone![/p][/quote]How do you know it wasn't on a call??...unless you were in it.[/p][/quote]Because it stopped for food at the same place I did. I obviously am aware that police are allowed to speed without blues for various reasons but they clearly weren't when they stopped at the same place. They were doing about 55-60 max though but still would have been over the 10% threshold for cameras. 3795x
  • Score: -3

12:03am Thu 29 May 14

jpwf says...

TrevorH wrote:
AustinMark wrote:
Not excusing the speed but people need to realise that 120mph in a modern car is smoother and safer than it was in the cars available when the national speed limit was introduced almost 50 years ago!
Can 120mph be safer than it was 50 years ago considering in Great Britain there are close to 35m vehicles licensed for use today? A lot more things to hit than 50 years ago, surely?
Depends entirely on the conditions at the time and the traffic density - yes in certain conditions it's most definitely safer than 50 years ago. (assuming of course he wasn't driving a 50 year old car!). Many cars built nowadays are capable of 120 mph or more and as such are designed to be safe at those speeds where conditions allow - whereas 50 yrs ago only a small handful of cars could achieve that kind of speed. Is Germany entirely wrong?? & in fact recent data from Denmark has shown that increasing the speed limits there has resulted in fewer road deaths & accidents. So not so black & white!
[quote][p][bold]TrevorH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AustinMark[/bold] wrote: Not excusing the speed but people need to realise that 120mph in a modern car is smoother and safer than it was in the cars available when the national speed limit was introduced almost 50 years ago![/p][/quote]Can 120mph be safer than it was 50 years ago considering in Great Britain there are close to 35m vehicles licensed for use today? A lot more things to hit than 50 years ago, surely?[/p][/quote]Depends entirely on the conditions at the time and the traffic density - yes in certain conditions it's most definitely safer than 50 years ago. (assuming of course he wasn't driving a 50 year old car!). Many cars built nowadays are capable of 120 mph or more and as such are designed to be safe at those speeds where conditions allow - whereas 50 yrs ago only a small handful of cars could achieve that kind of speed. Is Germany entirely wrong?? & in fact recent data from Denmark has shown that increasing the speed limits there has resulted in fewer road deaths & accidents. So not so black & white! jpwf
  • Score: 0

12:11am Thu 29 May 14

Bournemouthfan2 says...

eaststandman wrote:
Bournemouthfan2 wrote:
Lets face it a 'safe' speed limit is an arbitrary decision by a committee, 70mph max in the UK no limit (max) in Germany. Has Germany got it completely wrong? Are the Autobahns creating rows of body bags?
While some of those caught were no doubt being reckless and deserve to be banned others 'may' have been caught by the 'committee speed limit' on a deserted 70mph road in the middle of the night.
My view is that motorways should be at least 80mph limit in the dry and 70mph max when wet (as the French dual speed limit).
You ever lived in Germany ? I have, and they do have speed limits. Lots of them.
There are parts of autobahns (where there no junctions) where you can go fast. But when they have a crash - boy, do they crash.
I only witnessed one fatality though, so I'm no data expert.
No I have not lived there and I don't know the stats and hence the questions, but I do drive in Germany, France and several other EU countries from time to time and the general impression I get is that despite some seriously fast speeds German roads are a safe place to be. Yes much of the Autobahns are restricted (including parts without junctions that pass by towns to reduce road noise) and appreciate that their model wouldn't fit well on our higher traffic density motorways.
My point is that speed limits aren't always set where the should be and although it's 'illegal' it isn't necessarily 'dangerous' to exceed the limit... even over 100mph (e.g. on a quiet motorway). In respect of Motorways in particular a blanket 70mph is unrealistically low, widely ignored and is not policed (I have gradually overtaken marked police cars at over 80 on several occasions, and no doubt others unmarked... they ain't bothered). Sensible would be 70 wet, 80 dry, 90 night on motorways (meaning after say 10pm rather than when it gets dark!) then police it. Not going to happen though as I believe the police supported plan to change to an 80mph motorway limit was dropped last year, probably on 'green' grounds rather than 'safety' grounds (yawn).
[quote][p][bold]eaststandman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournemouthfan2[/bold] wrote: Lets face it a 'safe' speed limit is an arbitrary decision by a committee, 70mph max in the UK no limit (max) in Germany. Has Germany got it completely wrong? Are the Autobahns creating rows of body bags? While some of those caught were no doubt being reckless and deserve to be banned others 'may' have been caught by the 'committee speed limit' on a deserted 70mph road in the middle of the night. My view is that motorways should be at least 80mph limit in the dry and 70mph max when wet (as the French dual speed limit).[/p][/quote]You ever lived in Germany ? I have, and they do have speed limits. Lots of them. There are parts of autobahns (where there no junctions) where you can go fast. But when they have a crash - boy, do they crash. I only witnessed one fatality though, so I'm no data expert.[/p][/quote]No I have not lived there and I don't know the stats and hence the questions, but I do drive in Germany, France and several other EU countries from time to time and the general impression I get is that despite some seriously fast speeds German roads are a safe place to be. Yes much of the Autobahns are restricted (including parts without junctions that pass by towns to reduce road noise) and appreciate that their model wouldn't fit well on our higher traffic density motorways. My point is that speed limits aren't always set where the should be and although it's 'illegal' it isn't necessarily 'dangerous' to exceed the limit... even over 100mph (e.g. on a quiet motorway). In respect of Motorways in particular a blanket 70mph is unrealistically low, widely ignored and is not policed (I have gradually overtaken marked police cars at over 80 on several occasions, and no doubt others unmarked... they ain't bothered). Sensible would be 70 wet, 80 dry, 90 night on motorways (meaning after say 10pm rather than when it gets dark!) then police it. Not going to happen though as I believe the police supported plan to change to an 80mph motorway limit was dropped last year, probably on 'green' grounds rather than 'safety' grounds (yawn). Bournemouthfan2
  • Score: -1

12:53am Thu 29 May 14

FNS-man says...

speedy231278 wrote:
How many people did this person kill or injure?
Yeah. I drive home from the pub **** every night, and I've never killed anyone. Not sure what the big deal is really.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: How many people did this person kill or injure?[/p][/quote]Yeah. I drive home from the pub **** every night, and I've never killed anyone. Not sure what the big deal is really. FNS-man
  • Score: 2

12:53am Thu 29 May 14

FNS-man says...

speedy231278 wrote:
How many people did this person kill or injure?
Yeah. I drive home from the pub **** every night, and I've never killed anyone. Not sure what the big deal is really.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: How many people did this person kill or injure?[/p][/quote]Yeah. I drive home from the pub **** every night, and I've never killed anyone. Not sure what the big deal is really. FNS-man
  • Score: 4

8:05am Thu 29 May 14

Stereotyped says...

breamoreboy wrote:
Stereotyped wrote:
M0Z wrote:
A friend of mine spent most of the weekend hacking it along East Overcliff Drive at three times the speed limit without incident. Speed alone isn't the problem, bad driving is.
This! This! This!

Speed is not the issue, it is driver competency... I have said this numerous times before and stand by it.
You can be one of the finest members of the Institute of Advanced Motorists, but make one misjudgement at the wrong speed anywhere and it's very likely to be your last.
Urrm, yes, you just backed up my point.

Speed was not the issue was it, it was the lack of judgement you speak of.
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stereotyped[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M0Z[/bold] wrote: A friend of mine spent most of the weekend hacking it along East Overcliff Drive at three times the speed limit without incident. Speed alone isn't the problem, bad driving is.[/p][/quote]This! This! This! Speed is not the issue, it is driver competency... I have said this numerous times before and stand by it.[/p][/quote]You can be one of the finest members of the Institute of Advanced Motorists, but make one misjudgement at the wrong speed anywhere and it's very likely to be your last.[/p][/quote]Urrm, yes, you just backed up my point. Speed was not the issue was it, it was the lack of judgement you speak of. Stereotyped
  • Score: 1

9:33am Thu 29 May 14

AustinMark says...

speedy231278 wrote:
AustinMark wrote:
Not excusing the speed but people need to realise that 120mph in a modern car is smoother and safer than it was in the cars available when the national speed limit was introduced almost 50 years ago!
With most cars it would not have been possible 50 years ago!
Still not possible now with most of the cars on the road, it is on new cars yes, but all these cheap little 1.0 bangers that people try to save their money with are just propelled death traps.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AustinMark[/bold] wrote: Not excusing the speed but people need to realise that 120mph in a modern car is smoother and safer than it was in the cars available when the national speed limit was introduced almost 50 years ago![/p][/quote]With most cars it would not have been possible 50 years ago![/p][/quote]Still not possible now with most of the cars on the road, it is on new cars yes, but all these cheap little 1.0 bangers that people try to save their money with are just propelled death traps. AustinMark
  • Score: 0

10:57am Thu 29 May 14

MotorbikeSam says...

the usual suspects are supporting speeding drivers ... well if it is your child that is killed because some idiot cant stick to the limit maybe you`ll change your mind .... but I doubt it as any fool who supports speeding has no compassoion whatsoever..
the usual suspects are supporting speeding drivers ... well if it is your child that is killed because some idiot cant stick to the limit maybe you`ll change your mind .... but I doubt it as any fool who supports speeding has no compassoion whatsoever.. MotorbikeSam
  • Score: 2

12:34pm Thu 29 May 14

speedy231278 says...

504gld wrote:
Simon Best said: “Speed limits are a limit. They are not a target to beat. " ....... - Clearly doesn't apply to Bournemouth taxi cabs especially on the Wessex Way.
Which is a 70mph road reduced to 40mpg because too many people can't drive!
[quote][p][bold]504gld[/bold] wrote: Simon Best said: “Speed limits are a limit. They are not a target to beat. " ....... - Clearly doesn't apply to Bournemouth taxi cabs especially on the Wessex Way.[/p][/quote]Which is a 70mph road reduced to 40mpg because too many people can't drive! speedy231278
  • Score: 0

12:36pm Thu 29 May 14

speedy231278 says...

Karmenn wrote:
3795x wrote:
I assume the marked police car (who was not on call) which was speeding over the 50mph limit on the A31 last night will be appropriately punished also...rules are for everyone!
How do you know it wasn't on a call??...unless you were in it.
Because if it was on call and 'speeding' it would surely be under blues and twos?
[quote][p][bold]Karmenn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]3795x[/bold] wrote: I assume the marked police car (who was not on call) which was speeding over the 50mph limit on the A31 last night will be appropriately punished also...rules are for everyone![/p][/quote]How do you know it wasn't on a call??...unless you were in it.[/p][/quote]Because if it was on call and 'speeding' it would surely be under blues and twos? speedy231278
  • Score: -1

12:42pm Thu 29 May 14

speedy231278 says...

breamoreboy wrote:
asj wrote:
AustinMark wrote:
Not excusing the speed but people need to realise that 120mph in a modern car is smoother and safer than it was in the cars available when the national speed limit was introduced almost 50 years ago!
fully agree, it was far more dangerous driving at 70 miles an hour in a ford Anglia or the like back in the 60's. the stopping time in most modern cars is many times quicker. and with abs etc far safer
By what factor has the human being improved its reaction time during the same 50 years?
The difference is that the stopping distances in the Highway Code, which were worked out using cars of the time, were the absolute best that could be obtained in good conditions. These days, with fatter, stickier, better made tyres, better cars and a very high proportion having ABS brakes, most family cars stop quicker from 70mph than your Anglia or Moggy Minor would have done from 40.

Try watching this from years ago to explain a bit...

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=WTvJFSRY
Jr8
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AustinMark[/bold] wrote: Not excusing the speed but people need to realise that 120mph in a modern car is smoother and safer than it was in the cars available when the national speed limit was introduced almost 50 years ago![/p][/quote]fully agree, it was far more dangerous driving at 70 miles an hour in a ford Anglia or the like back in the 60's. the stopping time in most modern cars is many times quicker. and with abs etc far safer[/p][/quote]By what factor has the human being improved its reaction time during the same 50 years?[/p][/quote]The difference is that the stopping distances in the Highway Code, which were worked out using cars of the time, were the absolute best that could be obtained in good conditions. These days, with fatter, stickier, better made tyres, better cars and a very high proportion having ABS brakes, most family cars stop quicker from 70mph than your Anglia or Moggy Minor would have done from 40. Try watching this from years ago to explain a bit... https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=WTvJFSRY Jr8 speedy231278
  • Score: -1

1:27pm Thu 29 May 14

Dorset Logic says...

who nicked all the soap boxes?
who nicked all the soap boxes? Dorset Logic
  • Score: -1

1:29pm Thu 29 May 14

Dorset Logic says...

MotorbikeSam wrote:
the usual suspects are supporting speeding drivers ... well if it is your child that is killed because some idiot cant stick to the limit maybe you`ll change your mind .... but I doubt it as any fool who supports speeding has no compassoion whatsoever..
I would never let my child walk along the A31,

What if, the ultimate non argument.

will someone please think of the children
[quote][p][bold]MotorbikeSam[/bold] wrote: the usual suspects are supporting speeding drivers ... well if it is your child that is killed because some idiot cant stick to the limit maybe you`ll change your mind .... but I doubt it as any fool who supports speeding has no compassoion whatsoever..[/p][/quote]I would never let my child walk along the A31, What if, the ultimate non argument. will someone please think of the children Dorset Logic
  • Score: 0

1:35pm Thu 29 May 14

Tedington says...

speedy231278 wrote:
How many people did this person kill or injure?
I would take some sunday driver pootling around at 20-25 in a 30 zone over some Formula1 wannabee exceeding the limit to extreme putting mine and other people's safety at risk. At least with a slower driver there is more time to react to them. I do understand that slower drivers can be just as dangerous, but I know personally I would rather be in a low speed collision than a high one.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: How many people did this person kill or injure?[/p][/quote]I would take some sunday driver pootling around at 20-25 in a 30 zone over some Formula1 wannabee exceeding the limit to extreme putting mine and other people's safety at risk. At least with a slower driver there is more time to react to them. I do understand that slower drivers can be just as dangerous, but I know personally I would rather be in a low speed collision than a high one. Tedington
  • Score: 2

1:41pm Thu 29 May 14

Tedington says...

Dorset Logic wrote:
MotorbikeSam wrote: the usual suspects are supporting speeding drivers ... well if it is your child that is killed because some idiot cant stick to the limit maybe you`ll change your mind .... but I doubt it as any fool who supports speeding has no compassoion whatsoever..
I would never let my child walk along the A31, What if, the ultimate non argument. will someone please think of the children
I think you may have missed the point. If some pillock is prepared to massively exceed the limit on that A road, do you really think they will change their attitude towards speeding in built up locations?...so it is a valid "what if" argument.
[quote][p][bold]Dorset Logic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MotorbikeSam[/bold] wrote: the usual suspects are supporting speeding drivers ... well if it is your child that is killed because some idiot cant stick to the limit maybe you`ll change your mind .... but I doubt it as any fool who supports speeding has no compassoion whatsoever..[/p][/quote]I would never let my child walk along the A31, What if, the ultimate non argument. will someone please think of the children[/p][/quote]I think you may have missed the point. If some pillock is prepared to massively exceed the limit on that A road, do you really think they will change their attitude towards speeding in built up locations?...so it is a valid "what if" argument. Tedington
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2:34pm Thu 29 May 14

breamoreboy says...

Tedington wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
How many people did this person kill or injure?
I would take some sunday driver pootling around at 20-25 in a 30 zone over some Formula1 wannabee exceeding the limit to extreme putting mine and other people's safety at risk. At least with a slower driver there is more time to react to them. I do understand that slower drivers can be just as dangerous, but I know personally I would rather be in a low speed collision than a high one.
I wouldn't take either as both would fail a driving test.
[quote][p][bold]Tedington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: How many people did this person kill or injure?[/p][/quote]I would take some sunday driver pootling around at 20-25 in a 30 zone over some Formula1 wannabee exceeding the limit to extreme putting mine and other people's safety at risk. At least with a slower driver there is more time to react to them. I do understand that slower drivers can be just as dangerous, but I know personally I would rather be in a low speed collision than a high one.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't take either as both would fail a driving test. breamoreboy
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2:36pm Thu 29 May 14

M0Z says...

Stereotyped wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
Stereotyped wrote:
M0Z wrote:
A friend of mine spent most of the weekend hacking it along East Overcliff Drive at three times the speed limit without incident. Speed alone isn't the problem, bad driving is.
This! This! This!

Speed is not the issue, it is driver competency... I have said this numerous times before and stand by it.
You can be one of the finest members of the Institute of Advanced Motorists, but make one misjudgement at the wrong speed anywhere and it's very likely to be your last.
Urrm, yes, you just backed up my point.

Speed was not the issue was it, it was the lack of judgement you speak of.
Yep, ‘misjudgement at the wrong speed’ = bad driving. My original point.
[quote][p][bold]Stereotyped[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stereotyped[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M0Z[/bold] wrote: A friend of mine spent most of the weekend hacking it along East Overcliff Drive at three times the speed limit without incident. Speed alone isn't the problem, bad driving is.[/p][/quote]This! This! This! Speed is not the issue, it is driver competency... I have said this numerous times before and stand by it.[/p][/quote]You can be one of the finest members of the Institute of Advanced Motorists, but make one misjudgement at the wrong speed anywhere and it's very likely to be your last.[/p][/quote]Urrm, yes, you just backed up my point. Speed was not the issue was it, it was the lack of judgement you speak of.[/p][/quote]Yep, ‘misjudgement at the wrong speed’ = bad driving. My original point. M0Z
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6:09pm Thu 29 May 14

Karmenn says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Karmenn wrote:
3795x wrote:
I assume the marked police car (who was not on call) which was speeding over the 50mph limit on the A31 last night will be appropriately punished also...rules are for everyone!
How do you know it wasn't on a call??...unless you were in it.
Because if it was on call and 'speeding' it would surely be under blues and twos?
Thanks....but if you read the earlier threads you would of saved yourself time typing this..
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Karmenn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]3795x[/bold] wrote: I assume the marked police car (who was not on call) which was speeding over the 50mph limit on the A31 last night will be appropriately punished also...rules are for everyone![/p][/quote]How do you know it wasn't on a call??...unless you were in it.[/p][/quote]Because if it was on call and 'speeding' it would surely be under blues and twos?[/p][/quote]Thanks....but if you read the earlier threads you would of saved yourself time typing this.. Karmenn
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6:16pm Thu 29 May 14

Karmenn says...

3795x wrote:
Karmenn wrote:
3795x wrote:
I assume the marked police car (who was not on call) which was speeding over the 50mph limit on the A31 last night will be appropriately punished also...rules are for everyone!
How do you know it wasn't on a call??...unless you were in it.
Because it stopped for food at the same place I did. I obviously am aware that police are allowed to speed without blues for various reasons but they clearly weren't when they stopped at the same place. They were doing about 55-60 max though but still would have been over the 10% threshold for cameras.
Im playing devils advocate, but how do you know they weren't going to something, got stood down and then decided to grab something to eat. People are too quick to criticise when they don't know the full facts, but like I said I'm just playing devils advocate. Admittedly it shouldn't be separate rules and speeding for no reason in a marked police car is not the most sensible thing to do when you are supposed to set an example....unless you have a legal reason.
[quote][p][bold]3795x[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Karmenn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]3795x[/bold] wrote: I assume the marked police car (who was not on call) which was speeding over the 50mph limit on the A31 last night will be appropriately punished also...rules are for everyone![/p][/quote]How do you know it wasn't on a call??...unless you were in it.[/p][/quote]Because it stopped for food at the same place I did. I obviously am aware that police are allowed to speed without blues for various reasons but they clearly weren't when they stopped at the same place. They were doing about 55-60 max though but still would have been over the 10% threshold for cameras.[/p][/quote]Im playing devils advocate, but how do you know they weren't going to something, got stood down and then decided to grab something to eat. People are too quick to criticise when they don't know the full facts, but like I said I'm just playing devils advocate. Admittedly it shouldn't be separate rules and speeding for no reason in a marked police car is not the most sensible thing to do when you are supposed to set an example....unless you have a legal reason. Karmenn
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4:09pm Fri 30 May 14

breamoreboy says...

SympatheticSam wrote:
I've gone faster down Stoney Cross.
Clever boy (or girl), but a minor mistake at that speed, hit a patch of oil, whatever, touch the kerb and the odds are you won't be able to tell us just how smart you are.
[quote][p][bold]SympatheticSam[/bold] wrote: I've gone faster down Stoney Cross.[/p][/quote]Clever boy (or girl), but a minor mistake at that speed, hit a patch of oil, whatever, touch the kerb and the odds are you won't be able to tell us just how smart you are. breamoreboy
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7:50pm Fri 30 May 14

breamoreboy says...

muscliffman wrote:
Maybe time to have a word Bournemouth and Poole Council, I am sure they would love to roll out their completely unwanted anti-motorist 'Three Towns Travel' scheme and 'improve' this bit of road. Then it will be dangerously confusing, look hideous and anyone will be lucky to drive on it at anything approaching 22mph.......unless they are riding a bicycle!
Like the flaming idiot on the racing bike who went through the Stoney Lane lights in Christchurch at around 12:30 today when they were on red. Just for good measure he's overtaking two lanes of stationery traffic on the wrong side of the road. Wonderful blast from a car horn as they were still coming through the lights in the opposite direction!!! The idiot wouldn't have got any sympathy from me if he'd been clobbered, fellow cyclist or not.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Maybe time to have a word Bournemouth and Poole Council, I am sure they would love to roll out their completely unwanted anti-motorist 'Three Towns Travel' scheme and 'improve' this bit of road. Then it will be dangerously confusing, look hideous and anyone will be lucky to drive on it at anything approaching 22mph.......unless they are riding a bicycle![/p][/quote]Like the flaming idiot on the racing bike who went through the Stoney Lane lights in Christchurch at around 12:30 today when they were on red. Just for good measure he's overtaking two lanes of stationery traffic on the wrong side of the road. Wonderful blast from a car horn as they were still coming through the lights in the opposite direction!!! The idiot wouldn't have got any sympathy from me if he'd been clobbered, fellow cyclist or not. breamoreboy
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9:33pm Sat 31 May 14

Dorset Logic says...

Tedington wrote:
Dorset Logic wrote:
MotorbikeSam wrote: the usual suspects are supporting speeding drivers ... well if it is your child that is killed because some idiot cant stick to the limit maybe you`ll change your mind .... but I doubt it as any fool who supports speeding has no compassoion whatsoever..
I would never let my child walk along the A31, What if, the ultimate non argument. will someone please think of the children
I think you may have missed the point. If some pillock is prepared to massively exceed the limit on that A road, do you really think they will change their attitude towards speeding in built up locations?...so it is a valid "what if" argument.
what if arguments are always valid, but they remain what if
[quote][p][bold]Tedington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset Logic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MotorbikeSam[/bold] wrote: the usual suspects are supporting speeding drivers ... well if it is your child that is killed because some idiot cant stick to the limit maybe you`ll change your mind .... but I doubt it as any fool who supports speeding has no compassoion whatsoever..[/p][/quote]I would never let my child walk along the A31, What if, the ultimate non argument. will someone please think of the children[/p][/quote]I think you may have missed the point. If some pillock is prepared to massively exceed the limit on that A road, do you really think they will change their attitude towards speeding in built up locations?...so it is a valid "what if" argument.[/p][/quote]what if arguments are always valid, but they remain what if Dorset Logic
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