Hotel, cinema, leisure complex, 114 flats and public piazzas: new Winter Gardens plans unveiled

Hotel, cinema, leisure complex, 114 flats and public piazzas: new Winter Gardens plans unveiled

Hotel, cinema, leisure complex, 114 flats and public piazzas: new Winter Gardens plans unveiled

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FRESH proposals for Bournemouth’s Winter Gardens seek to transform the site with a hotel, cinema, leisure complex, 114 flats and public piazzas.

A new developer Inland Homes is hoping to succeed where the previous applicants failed and build on the prime town centre site, which is currently a council car park.

They are pledging to consult with local residents and have removed two storeys from the hotel element facing Cranborne Road in response to concerns.

They also claim their scheme could provide the town with open-air piazzas and shared space that will link in with a Grand Garden Walk planned by the council.

The new proposal consists of: n Approximately 114 dwellings n Up to 5959 square metres of commercial space n A cinema, leisure complex and family entertainment space n A hotel with approximately 70 bedrooms n A 550-space car park.

  • New public realm to Exeter Road comprising shared space, piazzas and open-air public areas.
  • Re-routing of public right of way within the site.

The applicants have already carried out preliminary consultation with residents which found they were broadly happy with the mix of development and supported the idea of a hotel.

Cllr Bob Chapman, who represents the Central ward, pointed out the majority of the site was owned by the council and that the future of the adjacent Exeter Road site was very uncertain. Licet developments have permission to build a multiplex cinema there but the council is trying to compulsorily purchase the land for a bus hub.

DEVELOPMENT TIMELINE

2006 - Winter Gardens concert hall is demolished.

Dec 2010 - Developer APB Park Ltd and agent Planning Solutions unveil a £100m scheme to build at least one hotel, a multiplex cinema, grocery store, 240 apartments, public piazza, outdoor winter ice rink, bowling alley and restauarants on the site. They exchange contracts with the council.

March 2012 - The application is due to go before a planning board meeting but is pulled at the last minute because it looks set to be refused.

April 2012 – The site is brought back into council ownership because the developer has not secured planning permission. However, APB Park continue to promote their scheme.

September 2012 – APB Park Ltd and Planning Solutions submit a second planning application.

June 2013 – The scheme goes before Bournemouth’s planning board and is unanimously rejected. Councillors criticise the lack of detail and accuse Ramsden of presenting “misleading” information. May 2014 – New developers Inland Homes submit a new application for the site and withdraw the appeal concerning the rejected application.

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1:15pm Fri 23 May 14

Redgolfer says...

SO TELL HOW CAN THEY BUILD ON A PUBLIC CAR PARK, its not their land, IT belongs to US THE PEOPLE, BEASLEY STOP GIVING OUR LAND TO YOUR MATES ????????????????????
????????????
SO TELL HOW CAN THEY BUILD ON A PUBLIC CAR PARK, its not their land, IT belongs to US THE PEOPLE, BEASLEY STOP GIVING OUR LAND TO YOUR MATES ???????????????????? ???????????? Redgolfer
  • Score: 21

1:16pm Fri 23 May 14

Redgolfer says...

SO TELL HOW CAN THEY BUILD ON A PUBLIC CAR PARK, its not their land, IT belongs to US THE PEOPLE, BEASLEY STOP GIVING OUR LAND TO YOUR MATES ????????????????????
????????????
SO TELL HOW CAN THEY BUILD ON A PUBLIC CAR PARK, its not their land, IT belongs to US THE PEOPLE, BEASLEY STOP GIVING OUR LAND TO YOUR MATES ???????????????????? ???????????? Redgolfer
  • Score: 12

2:49pm Fri 23 May 14

smhinto says...

All very nice until the 'diddleys' turn up and use it as a camp site.
All very nice until the 'diddleys' turn up and use it as a camp site. smhinto
  • Score: 10

3:01pm Fri 23 May 14

muscliffman says...

I suppose the idea of building a beautiful, stylish and internationally recognised all purpose new 'Winter Gardens' concert hall here to leave for future generations doesn't get a look in............
I suppose the idea of building a beautiful, stylish and internationally recognised all purpose new 'Winter Gardens' concert hall here to leave for future generations doesn't get a look in............ muscliffman
  • Score: 20

3:20pm Fri 23 May 14

Glashen says...

muscliffman wrote:
I suppose the idea of building a beautiful, stylish and internationally recognised all purpose new 'Winter Gardens' concert hall here to leave for future generations doesn't get a look in............
Not being a Bournemouth council tax payer myself I think a concert hall it is a fantastic idea. When such plans have been mooted in the past they have involved a substantial on going subsidy out of council tax. Not likely to happen in the present climate.

I wonder what a leisure complex is though, I've always thought a dinosaur themed greenhouse along the lines of the Eden project would be a good centre point for this site.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I suppose the idea of building a beautiful, stylish and internationally recognised all purpose new 'Winter Gardens' concert hall here to leave for future generations doesn't get a look in............[/p][/quote]Not being a Bournemouth council tax payer myself I think a concert hall it is a fantastic idea. When such plans have been mooted in the past they have involved a substantial on going subsidy out of council tax. Not likely to happen in the present climate. I wonder what a leisure complex is though, I've always thought a dinosaur themed greenhouse along the lines of the Eden project would be a good centre point for this site. Glashen
  • Score: 2

3:45pm Fri 23 May 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

Yet another ruddy cinema?!!
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There's a very good reason the rest of the country still thinks of Bmth as a boring old peoples home. It still is!
Yet another ruddy cinema?!! . There's a very good reason the rest of the country still thinks of Bmth as a boring old peoples home. It still is! HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 2

3:52pm Fri 23 May 14

speedy231278 says...

"The new proposal consists of: n Approximately 114 dwellings n Up to 5959 square metres of commercial space n A cinema, leisure complex and family entertainment space n A hotel with approximately 70 bedrooms n A 550-space car park."

Does anyone proof read anything on this website???
"The new proposal consists of: n Approximately 114 dwellings n Up to 5959 square metres of commercial space n A cinema, leisure complex and family entertainment space n A hotel with approximately 70 bedrooms n A 550-space car park." Does anyone proof read anything on this website??? speedy231278
  • Score: 8

3:52pm Fri 23 May 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Yet another ruddy cinema?!!
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There's a very good reason the rest of the country still thinks of Bmth as a boring old peoples home. It still is!
We could have an Ice Rink, indoor paintball, water park, go carts or just something new but no, another cinema to sell over-priced sweets.
[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: Yet another ruddy cinema?!! . There's a very good reason the rest of the country still thinks of Bmth as a boring old peoples home. It still is![/p][/quote]We could have an Ice Rink, indoor paintball, water park, go carts or just something new but no, another cinema to sell over-priced sweets. HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 9

3:54pm Fri 23 May 14

BmthNewshound says...

So more flats, shops, restaurants and cinema's. Haven't we heard all this before ?
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Beesley has given the clearest indication that he wants his chums Morgan Sindall to take control of the site so Inland homes are wasting their time and money.
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I'm not clear what a Leisure Complex and Family Entertainment Space are but we have an entertainment space where the Imax once stood which stands empty for all but a few days a year and a leisure complex covers a multitude of sins.
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We don't need more flats, restaurants and shops, or cinema's for that matter (if Licet actually build their planned complex) what Bournemouth does need is a decent size all weather visitor attraction that will offer something unique to Bournemouth and as the term "visitor attraction" implies attract visitors to the town.
.
It seems that since the 1950's Bournemouth has been stuck in a rut. There have been endless grand schemes none of which have every materialised so whats so special about this scheme that makes it certain to succeed.
So more flats, shops, restaurants and cinema's. Haven't we heard all this before ? . Beesley has given the clearest indication that he wants his chums Morgan Sindall to take control of the site so Inland homes are wasting their time and money. . I'm not clear what a Leisure Complex and Family Entertainment Space are but we have an entertainment space where the Imax once stood which stands empty for all but a few days a year and a leisure complex covers a multitude of sins. . We don't need more flats, restaurants and shops, or cinema's for that matter (if Licet actually build their planned complex) what Bournemouth does need is a decent size all weather visitor attraction that will offer something unique to Bournemouth and as the term "visitor attraction" implies attract visitors to the town. . It seems that since the 1950's Bournemouth has been stuck in a rut. There have been endless grand schemes none of which have every materialised so whats so special about this scheme that makes it certain to succeed. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 11

3:58pm Fri 23 May 14

High Treason says...

I avoid the town centre area because of parking so I am unable to see how more shops are going to survive.
I avoid the town centre area because of parking so I am unable to see how more shops are going to survive. High Treason
  • Score: 5

4:14pm Fri 23 May 14

Chris12 says...

I suppose the reality is that any development will to some extent need housing and business to both provide footfall and income by way of rent, service charges etc.

We've had white elephants before but we do need something that adds an all weather attraction for tourism.

What we don't seem to have is a Masterplan. Every scheme on the various pieces of land (and I've lost track of what land is available these days) seems to have the same development. Flats, retail, cinema.....

Noting wrong with a new cinema if it means something worthwhile is done with the existing cinema locations. Nothing wrong with housing if it helps reclaim the town centre after 5pm. Nothing wrong with hotels if they add quality accommodation and attract more visitors. It just needs to be done in the context of a plan.

Why can't a concert hall be constructed that is flexible enough for other uses, or is the hub of an arts centre that could tap in to the University or an annex to the BiC? The layout of Bournemouth already creates a town of two halves. There needs to be joined up thinking to unite all the potential developments in a cohesive way.
I suppose the reality is that any development will to some extent need housing and business to both provide footfall and income by way of rent, service charges etc. We've had white elephants before but we do need something that adds an all weather attraction for tourism. What we don't seem to have is a Masterplan. Every scheme on the various pieces of land (and I've lost track of what land is available these days) seems to have the same development. Flats, retail, cinema..... Noting wrong with a new cinema if it means something worthwhile is done with the existing cinema locations. Nothing wrong with housing if it helps reclaim the town centre after 5pm. Nothing wrong with hotels if they add quality accommodation and attract more visitors. It just needs to be done in the context of a plan. Why can't a concert hall be constructed that is flexible enough for other uses, or is the hub of an arts centre that could tap in to the University or an annex to the BiC? The layout of Bournemouth already creates a town of two halves. There needs to be joined up thinking to unite all the potential developments in a cohesive way. Chris12
  • Score: 7

4:32pm Fri 23 May 14

ShuttleX says...

speedy231278 wrote:
"The new proposal consists of: n Approximately 114 dwellings n Up to 5959 square metres of commercial space n A cinema, leisure complex and family entertainment space n A hotel with approximately 70 bedrooms n A 550-space car park."

Does anyone proof read anything on this website???
I was thinking the same thing. No wonder these so called journalists work for the Echo rag, nobody else would have them.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: "The new proposal consists of: n Approximately 114 dwellings n Up to 5959 square metres of commercial space n A cinema, leisure complex and family entertainment space n A hotel with approximately 70 bedrooms n A 550-space car park." Does anyone proof read anything on this website???[/p][/quote]I was thinking the same thing. No wonder these so called journalists work for the Echo rag, nobody else would have them. ShuttleX
  • Score: 2

5:52pm Fri 23 May 14

Bob49 says...

Well, well

I stated that something was rotten in the town and down came the post.

So I will state again that this is nothing more than a wheeze to build more flats on publically owned land. As was the surf reef and will be on the former imax site.
Well, well I stated that something was rotten in the town and down came the post. So I will state again that this is nothing more than a wheeze to build more flats on publically owned land. As was the surf reef and will be on the former imax site. Bob49
  • Score: 14

6:21pm Fri 23 May 14

rozmister says...

Glashen wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
I suppose the idea of building a beautiful, stylish and internationally recognised all purpose new 'Winter Gardens' concert hall here to leave for future generations doesn't get a look in............
Not being a Bournemouth council tax payer myself I think a concert hall it is a fantastic idea. When such plans have been mooted in the past they have involved a substantial on going subsidy out of council tax. Not likely to happen in the present climate.

I wonder what a leisure complex is though, I've always thought a dinosaur themed greenhouse along the lines of the Eden project would be a good centre point for this site.
I'd be dubious about finding investment big enough to buy land in the town centre for a dinosaur themed greenhouse, that's probably why the proposals are currently for a Portland quarry. The land the Eden Project was built on worthless land because the cost of the actual project was so high that even with serious investment there wasn't the funding for town centre prime location land!

Plus where would all the visitors to your dinosaur themed greenhouse park?
[quote][p][bold]Glashen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I suppose the idea of building a beautiful, stylish and internationally recognised all purpose new 'Winter Gardens' concert hall here to leave for future generations doesn't get a look in............[/p][/quote]Not being a Bournemouth council tax payer myself I think a concert hall it is a fantastic idea. When such plans have been mooted in the past they have involved a substantial on going subsidy out of council tax. Not likely to happen in the present climate. I wonder what a leisure complex is though, I've always thought a dinosaur themed greenhouse along the lines of the Eden project would be a good centre point for this site.[/p][/quote]I'd be dubious about finding investment big enough to buy land in the town centre for a dinosaur themed greenhouse, that's probably why the proposals are currently for a Portland quarry. The land the Eden Project was built on worthless land because the cost of the actual project was so high that even with serious investment there wasn't the funding for town centre prime location land! Plus where would all the visitors to your dinosaur themed greenhouse park? rozmister
  • Score: 0

6:46pm Fri 23 May 14

muscliffman says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
So more flats, shops, restaurants and cinema's. Haven't we heard all this before ?
.
Beesley has given the clearest indication that he wants his chums Morgan Sindall to take control of the site so Inland homes are wasting their time and money.
.
I'm not clear what a Leisure Complex and Family Entertainment Space are but we have an entertainment space where the Imax once stood which stands empty for all but a few days a year and a leisure complex covers a multitude of sins.
.
We don't need more flats, restaurants and shops, or cinema's for that matter (if Licet actually build their planned complex) what Bournemouth does need is a decent size all weather visitor attraction that will offer something unique to Bournemouth and as the term "visitor attraction" implies attract visitors to the town.
.
It seems that since the 1950's Bournemouth has been stuck in a rut. There have been endless grand schemes none of which have every materialised so whats so special about this scheme that makes it certain to succeed.
Well there was one scheme that did materialise in recent times, that large new building at Bournemouth Pier called the Waterfront. Whilst the original prime Imax cinema function and maybe the appearance of this large complex may not have been a huge success neither of these issues were beyond resolution and there was the potential for something very useful there. But of course it didn't take long for Bournemouth Council to return this area back to what it appears to specialise in creating and maintaining in our town - yet another empty, wasted and long term undeveloped building site!
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: So more flats, shops, restaurants and cinema's. Haven't we heard all this before ? . Beesley has given the clearest indication that he wants his chums Morgan Sindall to take control of the site so Inland homes are wasting their time and money. . I'm not clear what a Leisure Complex and Family Entertainment Space are but we have an entertainment space where the Imax once stood which stands empty for all but a few days a year and a leisure complex covers a multitude of sins. . We don't need more flats, restaurants and shops, or cinema's for that matter (if Licet actually build their planned complex) what Bournemouth does need is a decent size all weather visitor attraction that will offer something unique to Bournemouth and as the term "visitor attraction" implies attract visitors to the town. . It seems that since the 1950's Bournemouth has been stuck in a rut. There have been endless grand schemes none of which have every materialised so whats so special about this scheme that makes it certain to succeed.[/p][/quote]Well there was one scheme that did materialise in recent times, that large new building at Bournemouth Pier called the Waterfront. Whilst the original prime Imax cinema function and maybe the appearance of this large complex may not have been a huge success neither of these issues were beyond resolution and there was the potential for something very useful there. But of course it didn't take long for Bournemouth Council to return this area back to what it appears to specialise in creating and maintaining in our town - yet another empty, wasted and long term undeveloped building site! muscliffman
  • Score: 8

7:17pm Fri 23 May 14

Glashen says...

rozmister wrote:
Glashen wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
I suppose the idea of building a beautiful, stylish and internationally recognised all purpose new 'Winter Gardens' concert hall here to leave for future generations doesn't get a look in............
Not being a Bournemouth council tax payer myself I think a concert hall it is a fantastic idea. When such plans have been mooted in the past they have involved a substantial on going subsidy out of council tax. Not likely to happen in the present climate.

I wonder what a leisure complex is though, I've always thought a dinosaur themed greenhouse along the lines of the Eden project would be a good centre point for this site.
I'd be dubious about finding investment big enough to buy land in the town centre for a dinosaur themed greenhouse, that's probably why the proposals are currently for a Portland quarry. The land the Eden Project was built on worthless land because the cost of the actual project was so high that even with serious investment there wasn't the funding for town centre prime location land!

Plus where would all the visitors to your dinosaur themed greenhouse park?
Well the council don't have to buy the land they already own it, it is how much is given over to a leisure use that is the question, it is a big site which can accommodate housing and leisure. Properly marketed a Eden like project could work the council are talking about a grand garden walk, I mention dinosaurs because it would be a good marketing theme and fit in with Dorset's Jurassic Coast. Makes a lot more sense to me than cinemas that are already in two other schemes or just hotels and flats. The gardens are already ion of Bournemouth strengths, It will be interesting to see what Morgan Sindall come up with, it would be good if it shows a bit of imagination.
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Glashen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I suppose the idea of building a beautiful, stylish and internationally recognised all purpose new 'Winter Gardens' concert hall here to leave for future generations doesn't get a look in............[/p][/quote]Not being a Bournemouth council tax payer myself I think a concert hall it is a fantastic idea. When such plans have been mooted in the past they have involved a substantial on going subsidy out of council tax. Not likely to happen in the present climate. I wonder what a leisure complex is though, I've always thought a dinosaur themed greenhouse along the lines of the Eden project would be a good centre point for this site.[/p][/quote]I'd be dubious about finding investment big enough to buy land in the town centre for a dinosaur themed greenhouse, that's probably why the proposals are currently for a Portland quarry. The land the Eden Project was built on worthless land because the cost of the actual project was so high that even with serious investment there wasn't the funding for town centre prime location land! Plus where would all the visitors to your dinosaur themed greenhouse park?[/p][/quote]Well the council don't have to buy the land they already own it, it is how much is given over to a leisure use that is the question, it is a big site which can accommodate housing and leisure. Properly marketed a Eden like project could work the council are talking about a grand garden walk, I mention dinosaurs because it would be a good marketing theme and fit in with Dorset's Jurassic Coast. Makes a lot more sense to me than cinemas that are already in two other schemes or just hotels and flats. The gardens are already ion of Bournemouth strengths, It will be interesting to see what Morgan Sindall come up with, it would be good if it shows a bit of imagination. Glashen
  • Score: 1

10:42pm Fri 23 May 14

Azphreal says...

'Up to 5959 square metres of commercial space ' please remind us how much of the 'commercial space' is still available in the building on the old C&A site?
'Up to 5959 square metres of commercial space ' please remind us how much of the 'commercial space' is still available in the building on the old C&A site? Azphreal
  • Score: 2

11:43pm Fri 23 May 14

Five corners says...

A master plan is definitely what's needed. Imagine being a visitor in a car in Westover Rosf and asking how to get to the town hall, or on Richmond Hill and asking for directions to the seafront. You can see the sea but there's not a cat's chance in hell of getting to it. The roads are a nightmare, the car parks are vanishing, and come the evening the whole place is s no go area for families or mature adults.

The infrastructure needs sorting first.

But here's an idea, albeit horrendously expensive. When most people go on holiday overseas, they like to head for the harbour or quayside. Its where there's activity, restaurants, views, interest. Bournemouth doesn't have that, but it could get close.

Dig out the old bus station car park. Dredge a spur from the Bourne Stream and create a shallow inland harbour on the site. Build a quay and line it with cafes and restaurants and a FEW shops. Put a few kiddie boats on the water (think of the Serpentine), and build an arcade type shelter along the front (think here of Eatliegh) so our British weather doesn't kill alfresco dining. Add bars but insist there's a music volume limit.

Now we have an all-weather destination, popular with all age groups, a focal point and a revenue earner. But the transport situation needs sorting first. If no one can park, no one will come.

Just a thought - and (I hear you) maybe one day pigs might fly!
A master plan is definitely what's needed. Imagine being a visitor in a car in Westover Rosf and asking how to get to the town hall, or on Richmond Hill and asking for directions to the seafront. You can see the sea but there's not a cat's chance in hell of getting to it. The roads are a nightmare, the car parks are vanishing, and come the evening the whole place is s no go area for families or mature adults. The infrastructure needs sorting first. But here's an idea, albeit horrendously expensive. When most people go on holiday overseas, they like to head for the harbour or quayside. Its where there's activity, restaurants, views, interest. Bournemouth doesn't have that, but it could get close. Dig out the old bus station car park. Dredge a spur from the Bourne Stream and create a shallow inland harbour on the site. Build a quay and line it with cafes and restaurants and a FEW shops. Put a few kiddie boats on the water (think of the Serpentine), and build an arcade type shelter along the front (think here of Eatliegh) so our British weather doesn't kill alfresco dining. Add bars but insist there's a music volume limit. Now we have an all-weather destination, popular with all age groups, a focal point and a revenue earner. But the transport situation needs sorting first. If no one can park, no one will come. Just a thought - and (I hear you) maybe one day pigs might fly! Five corners
  • Score: 2

5:08am Sat 24 May 14

Phixer says...

speedy231278 wrote:
"The new proposal consists of: n Approximately 114 dwellings n Up to 5959 square metres of commercial space n A cinema, leisure complex and family entertainment space n A hotel with approximately 70 bedrooms n A 550-space car park."

Does anyone proof read anything on this website???
Not when it's a Friday holiday weekend lunchtime in The Print Room!

You might have thought the Echo could afford one of those free spillchucker programmes you get with all decent software.

"New public realm to Exeter Road..."

A what?
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: "The new proposal consists of: n Approximately 114 dwellings n Up to 5959 square metres of commercial space n A cinema, leisure complex and family entertainment space n A hotel with approximately 70 bedrooms n A 550-space car park." Does anyone proof read anything on this website???[/p][/quote]Not when it's a Friday holiday weekend lunchtime in The Print Room! You might have thought the Echo could afford one of those free spillchucker programmes you get with all decent software. "New public realm to Exeter Road..." A what? Phixer
  • Score: 1

6:23am Sat 24 May 14

BIGTONE says...

I like the approx bit.
That means they will double the figures.
I like the approx bit. That means they will double the figures. BIGTONE
  • Score: 2

8:52am Fri 6 Jun 14

PokesdownMark says...

Redgolfer wrote:
SO TELL HOW CAN THEY BUILD ON A PUBLIC CAR PARK, its not their land, IT belongs to US THE PEOPLE, BEASLEY STOP GIVING OUR LAND TO YOUR MATES ????????????????????

????????????
They are merely proposing what could be built. The question of who owns the land currently is separate. Though the value of the land will increase if planning consent is given. I'd imagine?

The idea of another cinema, hotel and shops doesn't exactly excite. But I do like a good piazza.
[quote][p][bold]Redgolfer[/bold] wrote: SO TELL HOW CAN THEY BUILD ON A PUBLIC CAR PARK, its not their land, IT belongs to US THE PEOPLE, BEASLEY STOP GIVING OUR LAND TO YOUR MATES ???????????????????? ????????????[/p][/quote]They are merely proposing what could be built. The question of who owns the land currently is separate. Though the value of the land will increase if planning consent is given. I'd imagine? The idea of another cinema, hotel and shops doesn't exactly excite. But I do like a good piazza. PokesdownMark
  • Score: 0

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