Married reverend quits after 'affair' with parishioner

COMPLAINT: St Mary’s Church in Ferndown

COMPLAINT: Rev Martin Howard

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A MARRIED reverend has quit after an alleged affair with a parishioner.

Team Rector of St Mary’s in Ferndown, Rev Martin Howard, left the church earlier this month, following a complaint of adultery.

He is now believed to be working as a trainee account executive at Alan and Thomas Insurance Group.

He will be unable to work in the church again for a period of five years.

The former clergyman began his career in the church at St Andrew’s in Kinson, where he worked as a team vicar.

He had worked in Ferndown since March 2008.

St Mary’s is a mid-sized Anglican Church with 470 members.

In February last year, Mr Howard defended the church’s use of a poster that speaks out against gay marriage.

The fluorescent green sign featured the words ‘Marriage = 1 Man + 1 Woman’.

Some people who saw the sign condemned it as a ‘stunt’ to spark debate.

He told the Daily Echo at that time: “In displaying our recent poster we have wanted to state from a Christian viewpoint the traditional teaching of the Bible, and the wisdom of the ages, that society is much stronger when marriage is promoted, honoured and protected.”

One member of the church, who did not want to be named, alleged that Mr Howard had been involved in an affair with a married woman.

The parishioner added that Mr Howard owns two ‘buy to let’ houses in the town, but said he is currently staying with friends.

A statement released by the Church of England’s Diocese of Salisbury reads: “The Reverend Martin Howard has resigned his post as Team Rector of the Hampreston Benefice with immediate effect.

“A complaint of adultery had been made under the Clergy Disciplinary Measure, which has been upheld.

“A penalty has been imposed with Martin Howard’s consent that he be prohibited from ministry for five years.

“The Diocese is providing pastoral support to Martin, his wife Liz and their children at a difficult time.”

When the Daily Echo contacted Alan and Thomas Insurance Group, a spokesperson said it would not be possible to speak to Mr Howard, and that he is currently not at the company.

Councillor Steve Lugg, who represents the Ferndown ward at East Dorset District Council, said it would not be appropriate for him to comment.

“No one is perfect, and this seems to be a personal issue,” he said.

“Everyone is entitled to their private lives, and of course this is someone with a family who will need to pick up the pieces.”

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6:04am Wed 21 May 14

ben1982 says...

One should examine oneself for a very long time before thinking of condemning others.
One should examine oneself for a very long time before thinking of condemning others. ben1982
  • Score: 75

6:22am Wed 21 May 14

EGHH says...

Umm taking love thy neighbour a bit too literally!
Umm taking love thy neighbour a bit too literally! EGHH
  • Score: 8

6:46am Wed 21 May 14

Tedd52 says...

Let him who has no sin cast the first stone...
Let him who has no sin cast the first stone... Tedd52
  • Score: 51

7:06am Wed 21 May 14

yvonne33 says...

dosnt like gay marriage but can do whatever he wants in a marriage is this double standards if you are straight ? think this is why people are turning from religion
dosnt like gay marriage but can do whatever he wants in a marriage is this double standards if you are straight ? think this is why people are turning from religion yvonne33
  • Score: 15

7:07am Wed 21 May 14

Huey says...

Tedd52 wrote:
Let him who has no sin cast the first stone...
Defrock the man! (I have always wanted to use that word)
[quote][p][bold]Tedd52[/bold] wrote: Let him who has no sin cast the first stone...[/p][/quote]Defrock the man! (I have always wanted to use that word) Huey
  • Score: 13

7:20am Wed 21 May 14

billy bumble says...

So how come the Church is above the law??

If this had been a commercial company and he was effectively fired for adultery he would be off to the Employment Tribunal - and would win
So how come the Church is above the law?? If this had been a commercial company and he was effectively fired for adultery he would be off to the Employment Tribunal - and would win billy bumble
  • Score: 8

7:27am Wed 21 May 14

Baysider says...

How on earth is this anyone's business except those directly involved? Muck raking doesn't begin to describe it.
How on earth is this anyone's business except those directly involved? Muck raking doesn't begin to describe it. Baysider
  • Score: 56

7:33am Wed 21 May 14

Lord Spring says...

The old joke about a vicar giving a sermon comes to mind, remembering where the lost push bike was left.
The old joke about a vicar giving a sermon comes to mind, remembering where the lost push bike was left. Lord Spring
  • Score: 0

7:50am Wed 21 May 14

williwood says...

Leave the poor chap alone ! He did a great job in the church & was very popular . Circumstances change both in work & marriage .Life goes on .Good luck Martin . May God be with you .
Leave the poor chap alone ! He did a great job in the church & was very popular . Circumstances change both in work & marriage .Life goes on .Good luck Martin . May God be with you . williwood
  • Score: 28

8:30am Wed 21 May 14

charlie2004 says...

Feel sorry for the ex, having all her personal business plastered over this local rag.
Feel sorry for the ex, having all her personal business plastered over this local rag. charlie2004
  • Score: 64

8:31am Wed 21 May 14

BarrHumbug says...

I wonder if there will be any posters with witty quotes outside the church this week?
I wonder if there will be any posters with witty quotes outside the church this week? BarrHumbug
  • Score: 14

8:34am Wed 21 May 14

Wilkie says...

The Echo has sunk to the level of the 'gutter press' with this one.
The Echo has sunk to the level of the 'gutter press' with this one. Wilkie
  • Score: 28

8:45am Wed 21 May 14

cherrygood says...

I'm not a church goer but i have been to one or two baptisms at this church in recent years. Was extremely impressed with how entertaining and down to earth the service was and the organisation behind the scenes with keeping the kids occupied was excellent too.

Not sure a vicar can be exempt from extra marital affairs just because of his profession, shame it has to be dragged through the press.
I'm not a church goer but i have been to one or two baptisms at this church in recent years. Was extremely impressed with how entertaining and down to earth the service was and the organisation behind the scenes with keeping the kids occupied was excellent too. Not sure a vicar can be exempt from extra marital affairs just because of his profession, shame it has to be dragged through the press. cherrygood
  • Score: 34

8:49am Wed 21 May 14

Sue001 says...

Why on earth would the echo phone his new employers?? Unless it was to cause embarrassment? This is hardly a headline. I feel so sorry for everyone involved - everyone else should mind their own business. Christians are no different from anyone else, we are all weak. God bless you Martin, i am sure you all have already endured much pain and i sm sorry that the Echo is trying to make newspaper sales out of it and causing you all further pain.
Why on earth would the echo phone his new employers?? Unless it was to cause embarrassment? This is hardly a headline. I feel so sorry for everyone involved - everyone else should mind their own business. Christians are no different from anyone else, we are all weak. God bless you Martin, i am sure you all have already endured much pain and i sm sorry that the Echo is trying to make newspaper sales out of it and causing you all further pain. Sue001
  • Score: 61

9:04am Wed 21 May 14

rudestickers says...

I think it's made the headlines cos Christians are supposed to have better morals, than the rest of us heathens! As an atheist I have very good morals thankyou very much! Not really interested who the local vicar is having an affair with.
I think it's made the headlines cos Christians are supposed to have better morals, than the rest of us heathens! As an atheist I have very good morals thankyou very much! Not really interested who the local vicar is having an affair with. rudestickers
  • Score: 2

9:07am Wed 21 May 14

ragj195 says...

Thanks Echo, I really needed to know that. You're nothing more than a bunch of marketing assistants writing crap to generate website traffic.
Thanks Echo, I really needed to know that. You're nothing more than a bunch of marketing assistants writing crap to generate website traffic. ragj195
  • Score: 34

9:17am Wed 21 May 14

PokesdownMark says...

rudestickers wrote:
I think it's made the headlines cos Christians are supposed to have better morals, than the rest of us heathens! As an atheist I have very good morals thankyou very much! Not really interested who the local vicar is having an affair with.
Yes I agree. But it does, in fact, go beyond this too. The CofE believes, and spreads belief, that adultery is a major sin and is punished by torture for eternity. Unless you beg forgiveness which they alone can broker. In this context, someone who has involved themselves in spreading such an awful, pernicious message, including to children, might be said to deserve all this and more if they enter into a relationship before first quitting the church.

Saying that, I suspect that many professional clergy have long ago stopped believing their own BS but are trapped in a web of their own circumstances. The works of The Clergy Project in the US is an interesting insight into what it is like to find yourself in a situation where 'coming out' as having doubts can lead to social and financial devastation.

It is great that this chap has found a foothold in a new (or revisited?) career. I really hope the echo story hasn't ruined his chances of future career alternatives.
[quote][p][bold]rudestickers[/bold] wrote: I think it's made the headlines cos Christians are supposed to have better morals, than the rest of us heathens! As an atheist I have very good morals thankyou very much! Not really interested who the local vicar is having an affair with.[/p][/quote]Yes I agree. But it does, in fact, go beyond this too. The CofE believes, and spreads belief, that adultery is a major sin and is punished by torture for eternity. Unless you beg forgiveness which they alone can broker. In this context, someone who has involved themselves in spreading such an awful, pernicious message, including to children, might be said to deserve all this and more if they enter into a relationship before first quitting the church. Saying that, I suspect that many professional clergy have long ago stopped believing their own BS but are trapped in a web of their own circumstances. The works of The Clergy Project in the US is an interesting insight into what it is like to find yourself in a situation where 'coming out' as having doubts can lead to social and financial devastation. It is great that this chap has found a foothold in a new (or revisited?) career. I really hope the echo story hasn't ruined his chances of future career alternatives. PokesdownMark
  • Score: 15

10:04am Wed 21 May 14

billy bumble says...

ben1982 wrote:
One should examine oneself for a very long time before thinking of condemning others.
Don't think anyone's condemning him - mostly the church and/or the Echo
[quote][p][bold]ben1982[/bold] wrote: One should examine oneself for a very long time before thinking of condemning others.[/p][/quote]Don't think anyone's condemning him - mostly the church and/or the Echo billy bumble
  • Score: -8

10:04am Wed 21 May 14

Bournemouth87 says...

williwood wrote:
Leave the poor chap alone ! He did a great job in the church & was very popular . Circumstances change both in work & marriage .Life goes on .Good luck Martin . May God be with you .
HAHAHA May god be with you, that did make me chuckle. This man was a joke anyhow, didnt believe in gay marriage but believed in multiple relationships when married. Serves him right this has brightened my morning :)
[quote][p][bold]williwood[/bold] wrote: Leave the poor chap alone ! He did a great job in the church & was very popular . Circumstances change both in work & marriage .Life goes on .Good luck Martin . May God be with you .[/p][/quote]HAHAHA May god be with you, that did make me chuckle. This man was a joke anyhow, didnt believe in gay marriage but believed in multiple relationships when married. Serves him right this has brightened my morning :) Bournemouth87
  • Score: -16

10:22am Wed 21 May 14

elite50 says...

Maybe the next sign that goes up will read:- MARRIAGE = I MAN + 2 WOMEN.
Maybe the next sign that goes up will read:- MARRIAGE = I MAN + 2 WOMEN. elite50
  • Score: 15

10:27am Wed 21 May 14

anonymous135 says...

I disagree with a lot of what this man stands for, and I believe that this shows just how hypocritical and contradictory his views are.

But it needs to be remembered that this man has a family, and our thoughts have to be with them. People need to be considerate in what they say and write, and understand how hard this must already be for his wife and children.
I disagree with a lot of what this man stands for, and I believe that this shows just how hypocritical and contradictory his views are. But it needs to be remembered that this man has a family, and our thoughts have to be with them. People need to be considerate in what they say and write, and understand how hard this must already be for his wife and children. anonymous135
  • Score: 17

10:27am Wed 21 May 14

BournemouthMum says...

Baysider wrote:
How on earth is this anyone's business except those directly involved? Muck raking doesn't begin to describe it.
I disagree. It IS our business! Someone who preaches the Bible to others, and condemns gay marriage and then has an affair is a total hypocrite. I bet he'd still be a vicar if his affair hadn't come tolight and was reported. Giving sermons on the Ten Commandments etc. while breaking them himself is disgusting. The man should be ashamed and I'm glad it's front page news. I only wish more of these hypocrites could be exposed.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: How on earth is this anyone's business except those directly involved? Muck raking doesn't begin to describe it.[/p][/quote]I disagree. It IS our business! Someone who preaches the Bible to others, and condemns gay marriage and then has an affair is a total hypocrite. I bet he'd still be a vicar if his affair hadn't come tolight and was reported. Giving sermons on the Ten Commandments etc. while breaking them himself is disgusting. The man should be ashamed and I'm glad it's front page news. I only wish more of these hypocrites could be exposed. BournemouthMum
  • Score: 9

10:37am Wed 21 May 14

High Treason says...

LATEST HEADLINES!
Married Reverend defrocked for defrocking a parishioner. Maybe they were just cross dressing.
LATEST HEADLINES! Married Reverend defrocked for defrocking a parishioner. Maybe they were just cross dressing. High Treason
  • Score: 2

10:37am Wed 21 May 14

uberbloke says...

He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy. Now....
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy. Now.... uberbloke
  • Score: 16

10:59am Wed 21 May 14

speedy231278 says...

Well, I suppose it was better her than one of the choirboys.
Well, I suppose it was better her than one of the choirboys. speedy231278
  • Score: 7

11:22am Wed 21 May 14

we-shall-see says...

The man may be a hypocrite, but I fail to see this is anyone's else's business really. It's certainly not nice for his children to see their father's face plastered all over the front page and his dirty laundry out for all to see. Yes, he *could* and *should* have thought ot that before hand - but none of us are beyond having done something "wrong" in our lives at some point.

I have no religion, but in this case, I do think he deserves some privacy - for his wife and children if nothing else .....
The man may be a hypocrite, but I fail to see this is anyone's else's business really. It's certainly not nice for his children to see their father's face plastered all over the front page and his dirty laundry out for all to see. Yes, he *could* and *should* have thought ot that before hand - but none of us are beyond having done something "wrong" in our lives at some point. I have no religion, but in this case, I do think he deserves some privacy - for his wife and children if nothing else ..... we-shall-see
  • Score: 22

11:44am Wed 21 May 14

AdelaidePete says...

One religion I can think of would have someone buried up to their neck and have people throw stones at them until they were dead. ...
One religion I can think of would have someone buried up to their neck and have people throw stones at them until they were dead. ... AdelaidePete
  • Score: 8

12:04pm Wed 21 May 14

High Treason says...

we-shall-see wrote:
The man may be a hypocrite, but I fail to see this is anyone's else's business really. It's certainly not nice for his children to see their father's face plastered all over the front page and his dirty laundry out for all to see. Yes, he *could* and *should* have thought ot that before hand - but none of us are beyond having done something "wrong" in our lives at some point.

I have no religion, but in this case, I do think he deserves some privacy - for his wife and children if nothing else .....
Lets not forget the husband of the married parishioner. Thinking your wife is going to church to cleanse her soul and she is doing the opposite.
[quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: The man may be a hypocrite, but I fail to see this is anyone's else's business really. It's certainly not nice for his children to see their father's face plastered all over the front page and his dirty laundry out for all to see. Yes, he *could* and *should* have thought ot that before hand - but none of us are beyond having done something "wrong" in our lives at some point. I have no religion, but in this case, I do think he deserves some privacy - for his wife and children if nothing else .....[/p][/quote]Lets not forget the husband of the married parishioner. Thinking your wife is going to church to cleanse her soul and she is doing the opposite. High Treason
  • Score: 7

12:39pm Wed 21 May 14

KitKatPuss says...

This isn't news...this is personal business.....and it was entirely wrong for the Echo to contact the guy's supposed current employers.......muck raking in public at it's best!

He may have cheated on his wife.......which is wrong....however dragging through the news is also wrong....it is not in the public's interest.
This isn't news...this is personal business.....and it was entirely wrong for the Echo to contact the guy's supposed current employers.......muck raking in public at it's best! He may have cheated on his wife.......which is wrong....however dragging through the news is also wrong....it is not in the public's interest. KitKatPuss
  • Score: 11

12:48pm Wed 21 May 14

we-shall-see says...

High Treason wrote:
we-shall-see wrote:
The man may be a hypocrite, but I fail to see this is anyone's else's business really. It's certainly not nice for his children to see their father's face plastered all over the front page and his dirty laundry out for all to see. Yes, he *could* and *should* have thought ot that before hand - but none of us are beyond having done something "wrong" in our lives at some point.

I have no religion, but in this case, I do think he deserves some privacy - for his wife and children if nothing else .....
Lets not forget the husband of the married parishioner. Thinking your wife is going to church to cleanse her soul and she is doing the opposite.
A, but in the eyes of the Church, she is without sin if she confesses and asks for forgiveness. The whole church ethos is corrupt, so quite why anyone is surprised at this act of "sins of the flesh", I have no idea ...... :o/
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: The man may be a hypocrite, but I fail to see this is anyone's else's business really. It's certainly not nice for his children to see their father's face plastered all over the front page and his dirty laundry out for all to see. Yes, he *could* and *should* have thought ot that before hand - but none of us are beyond having done something "wrong" in our lives at some point. I have no religion, but in this case, I do think he deserves some privacy - for his wife and children if nothing else .....[/p][/quote]Lets not forget the husband of the married parishioner. Thinking your wife is going to church to cleanse her soul and she is doing the opposite.[/p][/quote]A, but in the eyes of the Church, she is without sin if she confesses and asks for forgiveness. The whole church ethos is corrupt, so quite why anyone is surprised at this act of "sins of the flesh", I have no idea ...... :o/ we-shall-see
  • Score: -1

12:54pm Wed 21 May 14

misplacedspaniard says...

Hmmm and he has two buy to let houses. So will one day make people homeless. What a wonderful example of a Christian this man isn't.
Hmmm and he has two buy to let houses. So will one day make people homeless. What a wonderful example of a Christian this man isn't. misplacedspaniard
  • Score: -10

1:21pm Wed 21 May 14

Terry Collmann says...

"Married reverend"? How long has "reverend" been a noun?
"Married reverend"? How long has "reverend" been a noun? Terry Collmann
  • Score: -4

2:04pm Wed 21 May 14

muscliffman says...

The man made this alleged scandal public interest by his own regrettable actions, because thousands of people passing by his Church minding their own business were confronted with a huge poster promoting the sanctity of a personal and private marriage commitment between some chosen adult couples whilst condemning the notion for many others.

But it appears we now all know how much he really valued the principles of any type of marriage - even in the limited and discriminatory form his church very publicly and controversially advertised. Of course we should and do have sympathy for the innocent people caught up in this situation but any consideration for their welfare should first and foremost have come from the man today apparently exposed as a two timing hypocrite - and some folk may suggest an awful lot worse.

.
The man made this alleged scandal public interest by his own regrettable actions, because thousands of people passing by his Church minding their own business were confronted with a huge poster promoting the sanctity of a personal and private marriage commitment between some chosen adult couples whilst condemning the notion for many others. But it appears we now all know how much he really valued the principles of any type of marriage - even in the limited and discriminatory form his church very publicly and controversially advertised. Of course we should and do have sympathy for the innocent people caught up in this situation but any consideration for their welfare should first and foremost have come from the man today apparently exposed as a two timing hypocrite - and some folk may suggest an awful lot worse. . muscliffman
  • Score: 10

2:26pm Wed 21 May 14

nickynoodah says...

As a well-known and much sought after womaniser
I would like to see a picture of the woman that has sinned.
I would like to give her marks out of ten you know it is.
As a well-known and much sought after womaniser I would like to see a picture of the woman that has sinned. I would like to give her marks out of ten you know it is. nickynoodah
  • Score: -16

2:32pm Wed 21 May 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

I don''t mind a bit Arthur too,......

Journalists are like dogs, when ever anything moves they begin to bark.
Arthur Schopenhauer
I don''t mind a bit Arthur too,...... Journalists are like dogs, when ever anything moves they begin to bark. Arthur Schopenhauer Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: -6

3:02pm Wed 21 May 14

church member says...

Many of us from St Mary’s Church feel very sad that someone supposedly from our church family would go to the press with this act of betrayal. No matter what you think of Martin’s actions, how utterly thoughtless and cruel to add to the anguish of his wife and children.
Many of us from St Mary’s Church feel very sad that someone supposedly from our church family would go to the press with this act of betrayal. No matter what you think of Martin’s actions, how utterly thoughtless and cruel to add to the anguish of his wife and children. church member
  • Score: 6

3:26pm Wed 21 May 14

rudestickers says...

PokesdownMark wrote:
rudestickers wrote:
I think it's made the headlines cos Christians are supposed to have better morals, than the rest of us heathens! As an atheist I have very good morals thankyou very much! Not really interested who the local vicar is having an affair with.
Yes I agree. But it does, in fact, go beyond this too. The CofE believes, and spreads belief, that adultery is a major sin and is punished by torture for eternity. Unless you beg forgiveness which they alone can broker. In this context, someone who has involved themselves in spreading such an awful, pernicious message, including to children, might be said to deserve all this and more if they enter into a relationship before first quitting the church.

Saying that, I suspect that many professional clergy have long ago stopped believing their own BS but are trapped in a web of their own circumstances. The works of The Clergy Project in the US is an interesting insight into what it is like to find yourself in a situation where 'coming out' as having doubts can lead to social and financial devastation.

It is great that this chap has found a foothold in a new (or revisited?) career. I really hope the echo story hasn't ruined his chances of future career alternatives.
Cheers for this PokesdownMark... but this is exactly why I have no religious beliefs Torture for eternity!!!! Sometimes Marriage can feel like that.....Probs why he was playing away.
[quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rudestickers[/bold] wrote: I think it's made the headlines cos Christians are supposed to have better morals, than the rest of us heathens! As an atheist I have very good morals thankyou very much! Not really interested who the local vicar is having an affair with.[/p][/quote]Yes I agree. But it does, in fact, go beyond this too. The CofE believes, and spreads belief, that adultery is a major sin and is punished by torture for eternity. Unless you beg forgiveness which they alone can broker. In this context, someone who has involved themselves in spreading such an awful, pernicious message, including to children, might be said to deserve all this and more if they enter into a relationship before first quitting the church. Saying that, I suspect that many professional clergy have long ago stopped believing their own BS but are trapped in a web of their own circumstances. The works of The Clergy Project in the US is an interesting insight into what it is like to find yourself in a situation where 'coming out' as having doubts can lead to social and financial devastation. It is great that this chap has found a foothold in a new (or revisited?) career. I really hope the echo story hasn't ruined his chances of future career alternatives.[/p][/quote]Cheers for this PokesdownMark... but this is exactly why I have no religious beliefs Torture for eternity!!!! Sometimes Marriage can feel like that.....Probs why he was playing away. rudestickers
  • Score: -8

3:28pm Wed 21 May 14

muscliffman says...

church member wrote:
Many of us from St Mary’s Church feel very sad that someone supposedly from our church family would go to the press with this act of betrayal. No matter what you think of Martin’s actions, how utterly thoughtless and cruel to add to the anguish of his wife and children.
So presumably you would have preferred a complete cover up? How genuinely shocking - although it does rather seem to be the preferred option within disgraced religious circles!
[quote][p][bold]church member[/bold] wrote: Many of us from St Mary’s Church feel very sad that someone supposedly from our church family would go to the press with this act of betrayal. No matter what you think of Martin’s actions, how utterly thoughtless and cruel to add to the anguish of his wife and children.[/p][/quote]So presumably you would have preferred a complete cover up? How genuinely shocking - although it does rather seem to be the preferred option within disgraced religious circles! muscliffman
  • Score: 6

4:05pm Wed 21 May 14

burgerboy says...

uberbloke wrote:
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy. Now....
Brilliant one Uberbloke, a classic.
Did he also mutter "for what i am about to receive may the lord make me truly
grateful"...........
......(;o)
[quote][p][bold]uberbloke[/bold] wrote: He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy. Now....[/p][/quote]Brilliant one Uberbloke, a classic. Did he also mutter "for what i am about to receive may the lord make me truly grateful"........... ......(;o) burgerboy
  • Score: 3

4:16pm Wed 21 May 14

rudolph_hucker says...

church member wrote:
Many of us from St Mary’s Church feel very sad that someone supposedly from our church family would go to the press with this act of betrayal. No matter what you think of Martin’s actions, how utterly thoughtless and cruel to add to the anguish of his wife and children.
Thoughless and cruel for a few comments..... I'd suggest Martin could tell all on here a bit about thoughtless and cruel. What was going through his head when he was having it off with another woman? Was it his wife, his kids, his God? Or was a bit of good old thoughtless Iust and desire?
What advice does the good book offer on this situation?
Shame you didn't get your cover up. Maybe have a chat with the Catholic Church on that one, they would have kept this under wraps for sure, no matter who or what he had been intimate with.
Ah well you know for next time, and with the church there is ALWAYS a next time.
Keep praying, sounds like you all need it to me.
[quote][p][bold]church member[/bold] wrote: Many of us from St Mary’s Church feel very sad that someone supposedly from our church family would go to the press with this act of betrayal. No matter what you think of Martin’s actions, how utterly thoughtless and cruel to add to the anguish of his wife and children.[/p][/quote]Thoughless and cruel for a few comments..... I'd suggest Martin could tell all on here a bit about thoughtless and cruel. What was going through his head when he was having it off with another woman? Was it his wife, his kids, his God? Or was a bit of good old thoughtless Iust and desire? What advice does the good book offer on this situation? Shame you didn't get your cover up. Maybe have a chat with the Catholic Church on that one, they would have kept this under wraps for sure, no matter who or what he had been intimate with. Ah well you know for next time, and with the church there is ALWAYS a next time. Keep praying, sounds like you all need it to me. rudolph_hucker
  • Score: 8

4:22pm Wed 21 May 14

billy bumble says...

church member wrote:
Many of us from St Mary’s Church feel very sad that someone supposedly from our church family would go to the press with this act of betrayal. No matter what you think of Martin’s actions, how utterly thoughtless and cruel to add to the anguish of his wife and children.
Betrayal?

BETRAYAL???????

So you don't think the betrayal of his wife and children by your beloved ex- pastor was not the greater one?

I cannot tell you how hypocritical I think you are
[quote][p][bold]church member[/bold] wrote: Many of us from St Mary’s Church feel very sad that someone supposedly from our church family would go to the press with this act of betrayal. No matter what you think of Martin’s actions, how utterly thoughtless and cruel to add to the anguish of his wife and children.[/p][/quote]Betrayal? BETRAYAL??????? So you don't think the betrayal of his wife and children by your beloved ex- pastor was not the greater one? I cannot tell you how hypocritical I think you are billy bumble
  • Score: 8

4:25pm Wed 21 May 14

BarrHumbug says...

church member wrote:
Many of us from St Mary’s Church feel very sad that someone supposedly from our church family would go to the press with this act of betrayal. No matter what you think of Martin’s actions, how utterly thoughtless and cruel to add to the anguish of his wife and children.
Maybe it was his wife who told the paper? Hell hath no furry like a woman scorned, and all that.....

Hopefully the paper will announce when the stoning is to take place, i'd like to go along to that, "Two rocks and a bag of gravel please"
[quote][p][bold]church member[/bold] wrote: Many of us from St Mary’s Church feel very sad that someone supposedly from our church family would go to the press with this act of betrayal. No matter what you think of Martin’s actions, how utterly thoughtless and cruel to add to the anguish of his wife and children.[/p][/quote]Maybe it was his wife who told the paper? Hell hath no furry like a woman scorned, and all that..... Hopefully the paper will announce when the stoning is to take place, i'd like to go along to that, "Two rocks and a bag of gravel please" BarrHumbug
  • Score: -3

4:34pm Wed 21 May 14

Bob Bournemouth says...

Tedd52 wrote:
Let him who has no sin cast the first stone...
I notice the article says alleged affair - what about innocent until proved guilty!
[quote][p][bold]Tedd52[/bold] wrote: Let him who has no sin cast the first stone...[/p][/quote]I notice the article says alleged affair - what about innocent until proved guilty! Bob Bournemouth
  • Score: -9

4:38pm Wed 21 May 14

BarrHumbug says...

Bob Bournemouth wrote:
Tedd52 wrote:
Let him who has no sin cast the first stone...
I notice the article says alleged affair - what about innocent until proved guilty!
Why did he leave then and why is he staying with friends, think that pretty much confirms it?
[quote][p][bold]Bob Bournemouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tedd52[/bold] wrote: Let him who has no sin cast the first stone...[/p][/quote]I notice the article says alleged affair - what about innocent until proved guilty![/p][/quote]Why did he leave then and why is he staying with friends, think that pretty much confirms it? BarrHumbug
  • Score: 4

4:39pm Wed 21 May 14

shaft says...

nickynoodah wrote:
As a well-known and much sought after womaniser
I would like to see a picture of the woman that has sinned.
I would like to give her marks out of ten you know it is.
Picture? Ere Is a clue poor soul. Don't you find it strange where some women singalong to the radio where as your mum has started singing hymns and going to bingo a lot.
[quote][p][bold]nickynoodah[/bold] wrote: As a well-known and much sought after womaniser I would like to see a picture of the woman that has sinned. I would like to give her marks out of ten you know it is.[/p][/quote]Picture? Ere Is a clue poor soul. Don't you find it strange where some women singalong to the radio where as your mum has started singing hymns and going to bingo a lot. shaft
  • Score: 0

5:21pm Wed 21 May 14

stevobath says...

Grooming, doesn't make you a womaniser.
Grooming, doesn't make you a womaniser. stevobath
  • Score: -3

5:38pm Wed 21 May 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

stevobath wrote:
Grooming, doesn't make you a womaniser.
Is that what the judge told you ?
[quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: Grooming, doesn't make you a womaniser.[/p][/quote]Is that what the judge told you ? Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: -2

5:41pm Wed 21 May 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

stevobath wrote:
Grooming, doesn't make you a womaniser.
Is that what the judge told you ?
[quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: Grooming, doesn't make you a womaniser.[/p][/quote]Is that what the judge told you ? Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: -3

5:44pm Wed 21 May 14

nickynoodah says...

79 year old nobath desperately needs a different kind of fiddling cleansing
of what the church provides you know it is.
79 year old nobath desperately needs a different kind of fiddling cleansing of what the church provides you know it is. nickynoodah
  • Score: -9

6:04pm Wed 21 May 14

PokesdownMark says...

Bob Bournemouth wrote:
Tedd52 wrote:
Let him who has no sin cast the first stone...
I notice the article says alleged affair - what about innocent until proved guilty!
No no no Christians do it the other way around... Guilty until granted innocence!
[quote][p][bold]Bob Bournemouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tedd52[/bold] wrote: Let him who has no sin cast the first stone...[/p][/quote]I notice the article says alleged affair - what about innocent until proved guilty![/p][/quote]No no no Christians do it the other way around... Guilty until granted innocence! PokesdownMark
  • Score: 8

6:10pm Wed 21 May 14

Yankee1 says...

The last time I checked the Ten Commandments, it held no position regarding same sex relationships.

Yet it is clear on Adultery.

I am a fair person, but I have nothing but contempt for those who attack one group while being guilty themselves of a grave sin (in the eyes of the church, and the Ten Commondments).

He is not alone in the CofE. Not by a long shot. And, in this era of fast communication, they will be exposed. The era of Derek Nimmo has been replaced by that of Tom Hollander (Vicars will get that). There is no comfortable place to hide, if you attack others.
The last time I checked the Ten Commandments, it held no position regarding same sex relationships. Yet it is clear on Adultery. I am a fair person, but I have nothing but contempt for those who attack one group while being guilty themselves of a grave sin (in the eyes of the church, and the Ten Commondments). He is not alone in the CofE. Not by a long shot. And, in this era of fast communication, they will be exposed. The era of Derek Nimmo has been replaced by that of Tom Hollander (Vicars will get that). There is no comfortable place to hide, if you attack others. Yankee1
  • Score: 7

6:12pm Wed 21 May 14

Yankee1 says...

Huey wrote:
Tedd52 wrote:
Let him who has no sin cast the first stone...
Defrock the man! (I have always wanted to use that word)
The imagery is disturbing..........
...................
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tedd52[/bold] wrote: Let him who has no sin cast the first stone...[/p][/quote]Defrock the man! (I have always wanted to use that word)[/p][/quote]The imagery is disturbing.......... ................... Yankee1
  • Score: -2

6:28pm Wed 21 May 14

shaft says...

nickynoodah wrote:
79 year old nobath desperately needs a different kind of fiddling cleansing
of what the church provides you know it is.
To much Jeremy Kyle for you me thinks, maybe try a new hobbit something like Job hunting, there's a good girl.
[quote][p][bold]nickynoodah[/bold] wrote: 79 year old nobath desperately needs a different kind of fiddling cleansing of what the church provides you know it is.[/p][/quote]To much Jeremy Kyle for you me thinks, maybe try a new hobbit something like Job hunting, there's a good girl. shaft
  • Score: 1

6:52pm Wed 21 May 14

BIGTONE says...

Thou shalt not.............oh go on then!
Thou shalt not.............oh go on then! BIGTONE
  • Score: 6

7:15pm Wed 21 May 14

JackJohnson says...

He's going to go to spend an eternity in hell. I bet his own personal hell is going to be two Mother-In_Laws.
He's going to go to spend an eternity in hell. I bet his own personal hell is going to be two Mother-In_Laws. JackJohnson
  • Score: 5

7:28pm Wed 21 May 14

essexmanclone says...

billy bumble wrote:
So how come the Church is above the law??

If this had been a commercial company and he was effectively fired for adultery he would be off to the Employment Tribunal - and would win
Vicars and he like in the C of E are not technically employed.
Their situation is so:

Holders of a parochial office are not employed nor do they have a contract of employment, or an employer.

For tax purposes, they are "office holders". This means they are taxed through the PAYE system in the same way as employed persons. The Church Commissioners fill the role of the employer but only for national insurance purposes
[quote][p][bold]billy bumble[/bold] wrote: So how come the Church is above the law?? If this had been a commercial company and he was effectively fired for adultery he would be off to the Employment Tribunal - and would win[/p][/quote]Vicars and he like in the C of E are not technically employed. Their situation is so: Holders of a parochial office are not employed nor do they have a contract of employment, or an employer. For tax purposes, they are "office holders". This means they are taxed through the PAYE system in the same way as employed persons. The Church Commissioners fill the role of the employer but only for national insurance purposes essexmanclone
  • Score: 3

8:41pm Wed 21 May 14

stevobath says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
stevobath wrote:
Grooming, doesn't make you a womaniser.
Is that what the judge told you ?
No you Father & your' Mum, who strangely enough is also your' Sister...
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: Grooming, doesn't make you a womaniser.[/p][/quote]Is that what the judge told you ?[/p][/quote]No you Father & your' Mum, who strangely enough is also your' Sister... stevobath
  • Score: -4

9:28pm Wed 21 May 14

KSLBPhillips says...

Reading this makes me very sad. It proves none of us are perfect and we might all have moments of weakness. Even those that we feel should be the strongest.
I feel so much for the family, his wife and children. They have had their world turned upside down, and for all to see, their friends, fellow parishioners, the local community and now the rest of the town as it's printed in the paper. Alleged? Why print this? What does it gain? Why print where he now works?
I wonder if the reporter is thinking tonight 'oh what a scoop, I'm so incredibly proud of writing that piece of 'news'. I certainly wouldn't be.
I send the family my best wishes for rebuilding a future living with or without their husband/Dad.
Reading this makes me very sad. It proves none of us are perfect and we might all have moments of weakness. Even those that we feel should be the strongest. I feel so much for the family, his wife and children. They have had their world turned upside down, and for all to see, their friends, fellow parishioners, the local community and now the rest of the town as it's printed in the paper. Alleged? Why print this? What does it gain? Why print where he now works? I wonder if the reporter is thinking tonight 'oh what a scoop, I'm so incredibly proud of writing that piece of 'news'. I certainly wouldn't be. I send the family my best wishes for rebuilding a future living with or without their husband/Dad. KSLBPhillips
  • Score: 15

10:35pm Wed 21 May 14

nickynoodah says...

Don't talk through ye olde shafted johnt you know it is.
Don't talk through ye olde shafted johnt you know it is. nickynoodah
  • Score: -5

11:31pm Wed 21 May 14

saved sinner says...

My husband told me about this news in the Echo. Very sad indeed. We are all sinners and can fall. I do not know if this Vicar is truly born again, regenerated by the Holy Spirit, but if so, there is always a place of repentance before the Lord, and a turning away from that particular sin. If he is not, and it is just a job to him, then he is unsaved anyway. But by the grace and mercy of God, he may still be drawn to the only Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ and receive the gift of repentance and be forgiven. Salvation is of the Lord, absolutely nothing of man or his decision.

We should all know the Ten Commandments, but no-one can keep them all, impossible, that is the Law and is the means that God the Father chooses as our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.
The New Testament tells us that there are two commandments, to love the Lord our God with all our hearts and souls and love our neighbour as ourselves.
May God bring some good from this sad event. He is sovereign and nothing is impossible with Him.
My husband told me about this news in the Echo. Very sad indeed. We are all sinners and can fall. I do not know if this Vicar is truly born again, regenerated by the Holy Spirit, but if so, there is always a place of repentance before the Lord, and a turning away from that particular sin. If he is not, and it is just a job to him, then he is unsaved anyway. But by the grace and mercy of God, he may still be drawn to the only Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ and receive the gift of repentance and be forgiven. Salvation is of the Lord, absolutely nothing of man or his decision. We should all know the Ten Commandments, but no-one can keep them all, impossible, that is the Law and is the means that God the Father chooses as our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. The New Testament tells us that there are two commandments, to love the Lord our God with all our hearts and souls and love our neighbour as ourselves. May God bring some good from this sad event. He is sovereign and nothing is impossible with Him. saved sinner
  • Score: -2

1:36am Thu 22 May 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

stevobath wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
stevobath wrote:
Grooming, doesn't make you a womaniser.
Is that what the judge told you ?
No you Father & your' Mum, who strangely enough is also your' Sister...
Your brain works in a very odd way.
[quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: Grooming, doesn't make you a womaniser.[/p][/quote]Is that what the judge told you ?[/p][/quote]No you Father & your' Mum, who strangely enough is also your' Sister...[/p][/quote]Your brain works in a very odd way. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: -1

1:46am Thu 22 May 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

saved sinner says..
My husband told me about this news in the Echo.

....

Perhaps he'll one day let you know there is no God.
saved sinner says.. My husband told me about this news in the Echo. .... Perhaps he'll one day let you know there is no God. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: 2

9:42am Thu 22 May 14

saved sinner says...

Oh dear, Sir Beachy Head. What are you going to say then when you stand before God at the Judgment seat, as we will all have to do, and give account for everything we have done in this life? "I don't believe in You!" will that be your plea?

The Bible says "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God."
Oh dear, Sir Beachy Head. What are you going to say then when you stand before God at the Judgment seat, as we will all have to do, and give account for everything we have done in this life? "I don't believe in You!" will that be your plea? The Bible says "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God." saved sinner
  • Score: -5

9:55am Thu 22 May 14

billy bumble says...

saved sinner wrote:
Oh dear, Sir Beachy Head. What are you going to say then when you stand before God at the Judgment seat, as we will all have to do, and give account for everything we have done in this life? "I don't believe in You!" will that be your plea?

The Bible says "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God."
But what if he's right and there is no God? - and the bible lies
[quote][p][bold]saved sinner[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, Sir Beachy Head. What are you going to say then when you stand before God at the Judgment seat, as we will all have to do, and give account for everything we have done in this life? "I don't believe in You!" will that be your plea? The Bible says "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God."[/p][/quote]But what if he's right and there is no God? - and the bible lies billy bumble
  • Score: 6

9:58am Thu 22 May 14

billy bumble says...

essexmanclone wrote:
billy bumble wrote:
So how come the Church is above the law??

If this had been a commercial company and he was effectively fired for adultery he would be off to the Employment Tribunal - and would win
Vicars and he like in the C of E are not technically employed.
Their situation is so:

Holders of a parochial office are not employed nor do they have a contract of employment, or an employer.

For tax purposes, they are "office holders". This means they are taxed through the PAYE system in the same way as employed persons. The Church Commissioners fill the role of the employer but only for national insurance purposes
Thanks for that - very interesting

It makes you wonder what loopholes the church has found in the taxation laws and regulations doesn't it?
[quote][p][bold]essexmanclone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy bumble[/bold] wrote: So how come the Church is above the law?? If this had been a commercial company and he was effectively fired for adultery he would be off to the Employment Tribunal - and would win[/p][/quote]Vicars and he like in the C of E are not technically employed. Their situation is so: Holders of a parochial office are not employed nor do they have a contract of employment, or an employer. For tax purposes, they are "office holders". This means they are taxed through the PAYE system in the same way as employed persons. The Church Commissioners fill the role of the employer but only for national insurance purposes[/p][/quote]Thanks for that - very interesting It makes you wonder what loopholes the church has found in the taxation laws and regulations doesn't it? billy bumble
  • Score: 1

11:09am Thu 22 May 14

muscliffman says...

saved sinner wrote:
Oh dear, Sir Beachy Head. What are you going to say then when you stand before God at the Judgment seat, as we will all have to do, and give account for everything we have done in this life? "I don't believe in You!" will that be your plea?

The Bible says "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God."
Oh dear, the Bible says.........!

The Bible also says: Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with the wife of a neighbour, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death"

That's exactly the same Leviticus (20:13) that the church often quotes when condemning people who are naturally attracted to others of their own sex - and sometimes puts up huge public posters to say so!

We note that typically you are being conveniently selective in your religious beliefs.
[quote][p][bold]saved sinner[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, Sir Beachy Head. What are you going to say then when you stand before God at the Judgment seat, as we will all have to do, and give account for everything we have done in this life? "I don't believe in You!" will that be your plea? The Bible says "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God."[/p][/quote]Oh dear, the Bible says.........! The Bible also says: Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with the wife of a neighbour, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death" That's exactly the same Leviticus (20:13) that the church often quotes when condemning people who are naturally attracted to others of their own sex - and sometimes puts up huge public posters to say so! We note that typically you are being conveniently selective in your religious beliefs. muscliffman
  • Score: 7

11:37am Thu 22 May 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

saved sinner wrote:
Oh dear, Sir Beachy Head. What are you going to say then when you stand before God at the Judgment seat, as we will all have to do, and give account for everything we have done in this life? "I don't believe in You!" will that be your plea?

The Bible says "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God."
How are they treating you in St Ann's ?
[quote][p][bold]saved sinner[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, Sir Beachy Head. What are you going to say then when you stand before God at the Judgment seat, as we will all have to do, and give account for everything we have done in this life? "I don't believe in You!" will that be your plea? The Bible says "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God."[/p][/quote]How are they treating you in St Ann's ? Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: 2

1:01pm Thu 22 May 14

stevobath says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
stevobath wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
stevobath wrote:
Grooming, doesn't make you a womaniser.
Is that what the judge told you ?
No you Father & your' Mum, who strangely enough is also your' Sister...
Your brain works in a very odd way.
No, you're just to dumb to work it out.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: Grooming, doesn't make you a womaniser.[/p][/quote]Is that what the judge told you ?[/p][/quote]No you Father & your' Mum, who strangely enough is also your' Sister...[/p][/quote]Your brain works in a very odd way.[/p][/quote]No, you're just to dumb to work it out. stevobath
  • Score: 1

8:43pm Thu 22 May 14

20rozell says...

EGHH wrote:
Umm taking love thy neighbour a bit too literally!
people like him are no different than teachers who join that profession so they can be near attractive females,should a vicar forever be on Facebook etc ? its a question of his intentions,but think its fair to say hes not on there trying to spread the Good Lords word !
[quote][p][bold]EGHH[/bold] wrote: Umm taking love thy neighbour a bit too literally![/p][/quote]people like him are no different than teachers who join that profession so they can be near attractive females,should a vicar forever be on Facebook etc ? its a question of his intentions,but think its fair to say hes not on there trying to spread the Good Lords word ! 20rozell
  • Score: -3

9:04pm Thu 22 May 14

cromwell9 says...

yvonne33 wrote:
dosnt like gay marriage but can do whatever he wants in a marriage is this double standards if you are straight ? think this is why people are turning from religion
Take a look in rhe Bible,as regards GAY/ADULTRY, behavior.
You will find both are condemed in .it.
As regards turning away from religion,You only have to read the Biography
of the astronult Neil Armstrong ,when he said on his return on one of the Appolo missions.The world ,and the Universe is to perfect ,It was made that way,He is now a Christion
So dont be to cocky .and disrespectful to the creator,unless he comes knocking on your door,when you are not looking,
[quote][p][bold]yvonne33[/bold] wrote: dosnt like gay marriage but can do whatever he wants in a marriage is this double standards if you are straight ? think this is why people are turning from religion[/p][/quote]Take a look in rhe Bible,as regards GAY/ADULTRY, behavior. You will find both are condemed in .it. As regards turning away from religion,You only have to read the Biography of the astronult Neil Armstrong ,when he said on his return on one of the Appolo missions.The world ,and the Universe is to perfect ,It was made that way,He is now a Christion So dont be to cocky .and disrespectful to the creator,unless he comes knocking on your door,when you are not looking, cromwell9
  • Score: 3

9:05pm Thu 22 May 14

cromwell9 says...

charlie2004 wrote:
Feel sorry for the ex, having all her personal business plastered over this local rag.
There is always to sides to a story,
[quote][p][bold]charlie2004[/bold] wrote: Feel sorry for the ex, having all her personal business plastered over this local rag.[/p][/quote]There is always to sides to a story, cromwell9
  • Score: -3

9:06pm Thu 22 May 14

cromwell9 says...

Bournemouth87 wrote:
williwood wrote:
Leave the poor chap alone ! He did a great job in the church & was very popular . Circumstances change both in work & marriage .Life goes on .Good luck Martin . May God be with you .
HAHAHA May god be with you, that did make me chuckle. This man was a joke anyhow, didnt believe in gay marriage but believed in multiple relationships when married. Serves him right this has brightened my morning :)
YOU SAD PERSON,
[quote][p][bold]Bournemouth87[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]williwood[/bold] wrote: Leave the poor chap alone ! He did a great job in the church & was very popular . Circumstances change both in work & marriage .Life goes on .Good luck Martin . May God be with you .[/p][/quote]HAHAHA May god be with you, that did make me chuckle. This man was a joke anyhow, didnt believe in gay marriage but believed in multiple relationships when married. Serves him right this has brightened my morning :)[/p][/quote]YOU SAD PERSON, cromwell9
  • Score: -1

9:07pm Thu 22 May 14

cromwell9 says...

High Treason wrote:
LATEST HEADLINES!
Married Reverend defrocked for defrocking a parishioner. Maybe they were just cross dressing.
Dont be stupid.
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: LATEST HEADLINES! Married Reverend defrocked for defrocking a parishioner. Maybe they were just cross dressing.[/p][/quote]Dont be stupid. cromwell9
  • Score: -2

9:12pm Thu 22 May 14

cromwell9 says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
saved sinner says..
My husband told me about this news in the Echo.

....

Perhaps he'll one day let you know there is no God.
How do you know,
Are you going to take that chance,
You must be very brave ,or just stupid.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: saved sinner says.. My husband told me about this news in the Echo. .... Perhaps he'll one day let you know there is no God.[/p][/quote]How do you know, Are you going to take that chance, You must be very brave ,or just stupid. cromwell9
  • Score: 0

9:36pm Thu 22 May 14

saved sinner says...

muscliffman wrote:
saved sinner wrote:
Oh dear, Sir Beachy Head. What are you going to say then when you stand before God at the Judgment seat, as we will all have to do, and give account for everything we have done in this life? "I don't believe in You!" will that be your plea?

The Bible says "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God."
Oh dear, the Bible says.........!

The Bible also says: Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with the wife of a neighbour, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death"

That's exactly the same Leviticus (20:13) that the church often quotes when condemning people who are naturally attracted to others of their own sex - and sometimes puts up huge public posters to say so!

We note that typically you are being conveniently selective in your religious beliefs.
I am being particularly selective because the Old Testament was the law for the Jewish nation, and believers (both Jews and Gentiles) are now under grace in the New Testament. True believers are under the grace of God, by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. The old and beggerly elements have passed away for the true believers, since Christ's death on the Cross of Calvary. He atoned for all their sin, and we are no longer under the law, as Christ is the end of the law for righteousness.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saved sinner[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, Sir Beachy Head. What are you going to say then when you stand before God at the Judgment seat, as we will all have to do, and give account for everything we have done in this life? "I don't believe in You!" will that be your plea? The Bible says "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God."[/p][/quote]Oh dear, the Bible says.........! The Bible also says: Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with the wife of a neighbour, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death" That's exactly the same Leviticus (20:13) that the church often quotes when condemning people who are naturally attracted to others of their own sex - and sometimes puts up huge public posters to say so! We note that typically you are being conveniently selective in your religious beliefs.[/p][/quote]I am being particularly selective because the Old Testament was the law for the Jewish nation, and believers (both Jews and Gentiles) are now under grace in the New Testament. True believers are under the grace of God, by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. The old and beggerly elements have passed away for the true believers, since Christ's death on the Cross of Calvary. He atoned for all their sin, and we are no longer under the law, as Christ is the end of the law for righteousness. saved sinner
  • Score: -1

9:46pm Thu 22 May 14

saved sinner says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
saved sinner says..
My husband told me about this news in the Echo.

....

Perhaps he'll one day let you know there is no God.
How do you know,
Are you going to take that chance,
You must be very brave ,or just stupid.
How do I know? I have a testimony which is living, because God came into my life years ago, not through any church or any man-made invention, but through reading the Word of God when I was brought to the end of self.
I was brought from darkness to light, and was filled with love for the Lord Jesus, and changed. Absolutely nothing of myself.

I am not stupid. I have such a personal testimony which has held for almost 40 years, and I have within me the Joy of the Lord, despite many trials and afflictions.

My husband is also a believer, and knows God is real, and our Creator.

Sorry Cromwell9, it is you yourself who live in darkness. May God open your blind eyes to the truth.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: saved sinner says.. My husband told me about this news in the Echo. .... Perhaps he'll one day let you know there is no God.[/p][/quote]How do you know, Are you going to take that chance, You must be very brave ,or just stupid.[/p][/quote]How do I know? I have a testimony which is living, because God came into my life years ago, not through any church or any man-made invention, but through reading the Word of God when I was brought to the end of self. I was brought from darkness to light, and was filled with love for the Lord Jesus, and changed. Absolutely nothing of myself. I am not stupid. I have such a personal testimony which has held for almost 40 years, and I have within me the Joy of the Lord, despite many trials and afflictions. My husband is also a believer, and knows God is real, and our Creator. Sorry Cromwell9, it is you yourself who live in darkness. May God open your blind eyes to the truth. saved sinner
  • Score: -4

10:15pm Thu 22 May 14

saved sinner says...

billy bumble wrote:
saved sinner wrote:
Oh dear, Sir Beachy Head. What are you going to say then when you stand before God at the Judgment seat, as we will all have to do, and give account for everything we have done in this life? "I don't believe in You!" will that be your plea?

The Bible says "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God."
But what if he's right and there is no God? - and the bible lies
The Word of God (KJV) does not lie. It is the truth preserved through the ages. It is the inspired Word by God, through chosen men .
[quote][p][bold]billy bumble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saved sinner[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, Sir Beachy Head. What are you going to say then when you stand before God at the Judgment seat, as we will all have to do, and give account for everything we have done in this life? "I don't believe in You!" will that be your plea? The Bible says "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God."[/p][/quote]But what if he's right and there is no God? - and the bible lies[/p][/quote]The Word of God (KJV) does not lie. It is the truth preserved through the ages. It is the inspired Word by God, through chosen men . saved sinner
  • Score: -1

6:23am Fri 23 May 14

billy bumble says...

saved sinner wrote:
billy bumble wrote:
saved sinner wrote:
Oh dear, Sir Beachy Head. What are you going to say then when you stand before God at the Judgment seat, as we will all have to do, and give account for everything we have done in this life? "I don't believe in You!" will that be your plea?

The Bible says "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God."
But what if he's right and there is no God? - and the bible lies
The Word of God (KJV) does not lie. It is the truth preserved through the ages. It is the inspired Word by God, through chosen men .
And your proof for that is?
[quote][p][bold]saved sinner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy bumble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saved sinner[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, Sir Beachy Head. What are you going to say then when you stand before God at the Judgment seat, as we will all have to do, and give account for everything we have done in this life? "I don't believe in You!" will that be your plea? The Bible says "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God."[/p][/quote]But what if he's right and there is no God? - and the bible lies[/p][/quote]The Word of God (KJV) does not lie. It is the truth preserved through the ages. It is the inspired Word by God, through chosen men .[/p][/quote]And your proof for that is? billy bumble
  • Score: 0

11:22am Mon 26 May 14

stevobath says...

church member wrote:
Many of us from St Mary’s Church feel very sad that someone supposedly from our church family would go to the press with this act of betrayal. No matter what you think of Martin’s actions, how utterly thoughtless and cruel to add to the anguish of his wife and children.
Martin should've thought about that.
[quote][p][bold]church member[/bold] wrote: Many of us from St Mary’s Church feel very sad that someone supposedly from our church family would go to the press with this act of betrayal. No matter what you think of Martin’s actions, how utterly thoughtless and cruel to add to the anguish of his wife and children.[/p][/quote]Martin should've thought about that. stevobath
  • Score: 1

4:49pm Mon 26 May 14

cromwell9 says...

saved sinner wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
saved sinner says..
My husband told me about this news in the Echo.

....

Perhaps he'll one day let you know there is no God.
How do you know,
Are you going to take that chance,
You must be very brave ,or just stupid.
How do I know? I have a testimony which is living, because God came into my life years ago, not through any church or any man-made invention, but through reading the Word of God when I was brought to the end of self.
I was brought from darkness to light, and was filled with love for the Lord Jesus, and changed. Absolutely nothing of myself.

I am not stupid. I have such a personal testimony which has held for almost 40 years, and I have within me the Joy of the Lord, despite many trials and afflictions.

My husband is also a believer, and knows God is real, and our Creator.

Sorry Cromwell9, it is you yourself who live in darkness. May God open your blind eyes to the truth.
where was your god ,When the NAZIS put all the Jewish people,including women and children in the GAS CHAMBERS ,
One would of thought he might of made an aperance and saved tham .
Answer me that one then,?
[quote][p][bold]saved sinner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: saved sinner says.. My husband told me about this news in the Echo. .... Perhaps he'll one day let you know there is no God.[/p][/quote]How do you know, Are you going to take that chance, You must be very brave ,or just stupid.[/p][/quote]How do I know? I have a testimony which is living, because God came into my life years ago, not through any church or any man-made invention, but through reading the Word of God when I was brought to the end of self. I was brought from darkness to light, and was filled with love for the Lord Jesus, and changed. Absolutely nothing of myself. I am not stupid. I have such a personal testimony which has held for almost 40 years, and I have within me the Joy of the Lord, despite many trials and afflictions. My husband is also a believer, and knows God is real, and our Creator. Sorry Cromwell9, it is you yourself who live in darkness. May God open your blind eyes to the truth.[/p][/quote]where was your god ,When the NAZIS put all the Jewish people,including women and children in the GAS CHAMBERS , One would of thought he might of made an aperance and saved tham . Answer me that one then,? cromwell9
  • Score: 1

6:16pm Mon 26 May 14

stevobath says...

cromwell9 wrote:
saved sinner wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
saved sinner says..
My husband told me about this news in the Echo.

....

Perhaps he'll one day let you know there is no God.
How do you know,
Are you going to take that chance,
You must be very brave ,or just stupid.
How do I know? I have a testimony which is living, because God came into my life years ago, not through any church or any man-made invention, but through reading the Word of God when I was brought to the end of self.
I was brought from darkness to light, and was filled with love for the Lord Jesus, and changed. Absolutely nothing of myself.

I am not stupid. I have such a personal testimony which has held for almost 40 years, and I have within me the Joy of the Lord, despite many trials and afflictions.

My husband is also a believer, and knows God is real, and our Creator.

Sorry Cromwell9, it is you yourself who live in darkness. May God open your blind eyes to the truth.
where was your god ,When the NAZIS put all the Jewish people,including women and children in the GAS CHAMBERS ,
One would of thought he might of made an aperance and saved tham .
Answer me that one then,?
More to the point, where was 'Yaweh' to save HIS people?
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saved sinner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: saved sinner says.. My husband told me about this news in the Echo. .... Perhaps he'll one day let you know there is no God.[/p][/quote]How do you know, Are you going to take that chance, You must be very brave ,or just stupid.[/p][/quote]How do I know? I have a testimony which is living, because God came into my life years ago, not through any church or any man-made invention, but through reading the Word of God when I was brought to the end of self. I was brought from darkness to light, and was filled with love for the Lord Jesus, and changed. Absolutely nothing of myself. I am not stupid. I have such a personal testimony which has held for almost 40 years, and I have within me the Joy of the Lord, despite many trials and afflictions. My husband is also a believer, and knows God is real, and our Creator. Sorry Cromwell9, it is you yourself who live in darkness. May God open your blind eyes to the truth.[/p][/quote]where was your god ,When the NAZIS put all the Jewish people,including women and children in the GAS CHAMBERS , One would of thought he might of made an aperance and saved tham . Answer me that one then,?[/p][/quote]More to the point, where was 'Yaweh' to save HIS people? stevobath
  • Score: 1

12:58am Fri 30 May 14

guisselle says...

"Hell is other people" said John Paul Sartre.
"Hell is other people" said John Paul Sartre. guisselle
  • Score: 1

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