Borough of Poole is seeking a court date to obtain eviction orders on the camps at Baiter and Hatchard’s Field

Bournemouth Echo: Eviction orders sought for two traveller camps in Poole Eviction orders sought for two traveller camps in Poole

BOROUGH of Poole is seeking a court date to obtain eviction orders on the two unauthorised traveller encampments at Baiter and Hatchard’s Field.

Two separate groups of travellers moved on to the sites on Sunday evening. Currently, both encamp-ments remain.

Peter Haikin, regulatory services manager at Poole council, said: “We have sought a date for a court hearing to obtain an order for the eviction of both encampments at Baiter and Hatchard’s Field, pictured.

“A court date is anticipated later this week or early next week and, if successful, could result in the travellers leaving the site the following day.”

Meanwhile, responding to criticism from Alderney ward councillor Tony Trent – who said the travellers accessed the Hatchard’s Field site because one of the wooden stumped ‘dragon’s teeth’ had rotted, Mr Haikin said the council was aware several stumps are in poor condition.

Mr Haikin added: “We will be carrying out repairs or replacement in due course.

“Our current focus is on improving protection of the six priority open spaces and parks in Poole that were agreed by council in April.”

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9:55am Wed 14 May 14

Carolyn43 says...

If the council knew the stumps were in bad condition, why hadn't they been replaced before the traveller season started?
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There's no joined-up thinking is there?
If the council knew the stumps were in bad condition, why hadn't they been replaced before the traveller season started? ..... There's no joined-up thinking is there? Carolyn43
  • Score: 33

10:14am Wed 14 May 14

Pawnstrar says...

Left hand and right hand me thinks
Left hand and right hand me thinks Pawnstrar
  • Score: 25

10:23am Wed 14 May 14

BIGTONE says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
If the council knew the stumps were in bad condition, why hadn't they been replaced before the traveller season started?
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There's no joined-up thinking is there?
Do you know of ANY council that has joined up thinking?
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: If the council knew the stumps were in bad condition, why hadn't they been replaced before the traveller season started? ..... There's no joined-up thinking is there?[/p][/quote]Do you know of ANY council that has joined up thinking? BIGTONE
  • Score: 22

10:32am Wed 14 May 14

BarrHumbug says...

The wooded stump may have been rotted but was it still in place before the travellers arrived?

Does the fact an obstruction is easy to remove make it any more legal to do so?
The wooded stump may have been rotted but was it still in place before the travellers arrived? Does the fact an obstruction is easy to remove make it any more legal to do so? BarrHumbug
  • Score: 34

10:36am Wed 14 May 14

Carolyn43 says...

BIGTONE wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
If the council knew the stumps were in bad condition, why hadn't they been replaced before the traveller season started?
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There's no joined-up thinking is there?
Do you know of ANY council that has joined up thinking?
No. Obviously one department has the responsibility for looking at the condition of fence posts while another has responsibility for ordering them and another to order the work to replace them and another for actually doing the work. Why have one group totally responsible for fence posts when you can have at least four?
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If councils were businesses, they be bankrupt in a very short time. It's only the fact that it's not their money that they get away with wasting so much of it.
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: If the council knew the stumps were in bad condition, why hadn't they been replaced before the traveller season started? ..... There's no joined-up thinking is there?[/p][/quote]Do you know of ANY council that has joined up thinking?[/p][/quote]No. Obviously one department has the responsibility for looking at the condition of fence posts while another has responsibility for ordering them and another to order the work to replace them and another for actually doing the work. Why have one group totally responsible for fence posts when you can have at least four? ...... If councils were businesses, they be bankrupt in a very short time. It's only the fact that it's not their money that they get away with wasting so much of it. Carolyn43
  • Score: 34

11:13am Wed 14 May 14

RM says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
If the council knew the stumps were in bad condition, why hadn't they been replaced before the traveller season started?
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There's no joined-up thinking is there?
Almost unbelievable. Sheer negligence on someone's part. Now, instead of just paying out for the replacement of some dragon's teeth - which should just be part of general site maintenance imo - WE'LL (not the Council) be paying out for the replacement plus court costs plus a cleanup.
And what's this nonsense about waiting until next week for a Court date? Surely these application forms are standard - space to fill in the site name, number of caravans, dates etc - not exactly rocket science is it? Meanwhile the 'visitors' continue to enjoy their free holiday while 'welfare' checks are carried out. Pity the law abiding, council tax paying residents don't get the same care & attention from the Council.
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: If the council knew the stumps were in bad condition, why hadn't they been replaced before the traveller season started? ..... There's no joined-up thinking is there?[/p][/quote]Almost unbelievable. Sheer negligence on someone's part. Now, instead of just paying out for the replacement of some dragon's teeth - which should just be part of general site maintenance imo - WE'LL (not the Council) be paying out for the replacement plus court costs plus a cleanup. And what's this nonsense about waiting until next week for a Court date? Surely these application forms are standard - space to fill in the site name, number of caravans, dates etc - not exactly rocket science is it? Meanwhile the 'visitors' continue to enjoy their free holiday while 'welfare' checks are carried out. Pity the law abiding, council tax paying residents don't get the same care & attention from the Council. RM
  • Score: 37

11:19am Wed 14 May 14

Dorset__Bloke says...

Hope they realise that as soon as they're evicted from Baiter they'll drive across the grass to Whitecliff (as per usual).
Then like last year they'll smear excrement over the kids' playground.
Lovely people.
Hope they realise that as soon as they're evicted from Baiter they'll drive across the grass to Whitecliff (as per usual). Then like last year they'll smear excrement over the kids' playground. Lovely people. Dorset__Bloke
  • Score: 29

11:20am Wed 14 May 14

muscliffman says...

It's like watching a coiled spring when our public servants burst into action to protect the public who employ them with their best fast-track procedures. These allegedly 'Irish travellers' turn up and encamp illegally on a public site on a Sunday. Three days later in the absence of any other apparent efforts whatsoever to establish who and what they really are or move them on, we finally hear that the local Council is 'seeking' a Court date which will enable a judicial hearing sometime this week ....... or maybe early next - or presumably whenever it fits in conveniently with our public official's normal working hour routines and flexi-time arrangements........


NOT good enough!
It's like watching a coiled spring when our public servants burst into action to protect the public who employ them with their best fast-track procedures. These allegedly 'Irish travellers' turn up and encamp illegally on a public site on a Sunday. Three days later in the absence of any other apparent efforts whatsoever to establish who and what they really are or move them on, we finally hear that the local Council is 'seeking' a Court date which will enable a judicial hearing sometime this week ....... or maybe early next - or presumably whenever it fits in conveniently with our public official's normal working hour routines and flexi-time arrangements........ NOT good enough! muscliffman
  • Score: 31

11:22am Wed 14 May 14

speedy231278 says...

Fix the dragon's teeth BEFORE the 'visitors' leave, and see how they like that!

On a more serious note, the implication here is that the encampment's occupants were able to access one of the areas as it was easy to remove a dragon's tooth because it was in poor condition. Assuming it was still in the correct place, have they not broken and entered the area by damaging it further,, with the result that they have broken the law and should be evicted immediately for breaking and entering, plus charged for criminal damage, and aggravated trespass?
Fix the dragon's teeth BEFORE the 'visitors' leave, and see how they like that! On a more serious note, the implication here is that the encampment's occupants were able to access one of the areas as it was easy to remove a dragon's tooth because it was in poor condition. Assuming it was still in the correct place, have they not broken and entered the area by damaging it further,, with the result that they have broken the law and should be evicted immediately for breaking and entering, plus charged for criminal damage, and aggravated trespass? speedy231278
  • Score: 33

11:24am Wed 14 May 14

Bob49 says...

I wonder how often any councillor forgets to fill in his or her allowance/expenses forms
I wonder how often any councillor forgets to fill in his or her allowance/expenses forms Bob49
  • Score: 23

11:29am Wed 14 May 14

Arthur Maureen says...

Oh well, Sir Beachy Head and his brood will have to find somewhere for the weekend...
Oh well, Sir Beachy Head and his brood will have to find somewhere for the weekend... Arthur Maureen
  • Score: 0

11:42am Wed 14 May 14

fallauk says...

This is ridiculous. If we the council tax paying residents removed one of these we would be done for criminal damage. How do the travellers get away with it ?
This is ridiculous. If we the council tax paying residents removed one of these we would be done for criminal damage. How do the travellers get away with it ? fallauk
  • Score: 28

11:54am Wed 14 May 14

justsayithowitis says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
If the council knew the stumps were in bad condition, why hadn't they been replaced before the traveller season started?
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There's no joined-up thinking is there?
Unfortunately even if they were in good condition the travellers would have cut through them to gain access as they have done many times on many different sites. Still not many people signed the petition. Never going to get 100000 signatures as needed for this to be debated properly
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: If the council knew the stumps were in bad condition, why hadn't they been replaced before the traveller season started? ..... There's no joined-up thinking is there?[/p][/quote]Unfortunately even if they were in good condition the travellers would have cut through them to gain access as they have done many times on many different sites. Still not many people signed the petition. Never going to get 100000 signatures as needed for this to be debated properly justsayithowitis
  • Score: 11

11:54am Wed 14 May 14

dvdr says...

Don't move them out, block them in! If the poor dears have to walk everywhere and cannot use their fancy vehicles they will soon decide this place is not for them.

Then publish notice of and allow a single temporary exit point, monitored (one hopes) by the police, who can check licenses, tax, insurance etc. as each vehicle leaves, but not let any vehicle come back in. Then do the obvious thing and make a proper and permanent block to the site.
Don't move them out, block them in! If the poor dears have to walk everywhere and cannot use their fancy vehicles they will soon decide this place is not for them. Then publish notice of and allow a single temporary exit point, monitored (one hopes) by the police, who can check licenses, tax, insurance etc. as each vehicle leaves, but not let any vehicle come back in. Then do the obvious thing and make a proper and permanent block to the site. dvdr
  • Score: 27

12:03pm Wed 14 May 14

dirtyboy says...

If I was to park on yellow lines my vehicle could be towed away within a few hours could the council not put yellow lines around their parks ? and where were the council staff who's job was to keep a close for travellers !!!!
If I was to park on yellow lines my vehicle could be towed away within a few hours could the council not put yellow lines around their parks ? and where were the council staff who's job was to keep a close for travellers !!!! dirtyboy
  • Score: 19

12:04pm Wed 14 May 14

MrDMan says...

I stand by my suggestion from a couple of weeks back.... how much does it cost to buy rocket launchers?

I don't believe that you can't buy them on the hidden internet.

It seems that were these camps are involved, the laws are not upheld, so presumably if you accidentally obliterated a caravan, then the police wouldn't do anything?
I stand by my suggestion from a couple of weeks back.... how much does it cost to buy rocket launchers? I don't believe that you can't buy them on the hidden internet. It seems that were these camps are involved, the laws are not upheld, so presumably if you accidentally obliterated a caravan, then the police wouldn't do anything? MrDMan
  • Score: 14

12:12pm Wed 14 May 14

Ebb Tide says...

dvdr wrote:
Don't move them out, block them in! If the poor dears have to walk everywhere and cannot use their fancy vehicles they will soon decide this place is not for them.

Then publish notice of and allow a single temporary exit point, monitored (one hopes) by the police, who can check licenses, tax, insurance etc. as each vehicle leaves, but not let any vehicle come back in. Then do the obvious thing and make a proper and permanent block to the site.
Skips full of rubble seem relevant. Removal costs to suit those wishing to leave would probably be very high. Well urgent attention from Council Officialdom is so disruptive and therefore so expensive - its the 'knock on costs' you know - especially when its the holiday season and staff are so stretched !!
[quote][p][bold]dvdr[/bold] wrote: Don't move them out, block them in! If the poor dears have to walk everywhere and cannot use their fancy vehicles they will soon decide this place is not for them. Then publish notice of and allow a single temporary exit point, monitored (one hopes) by the police, who can check licenses, tax, insurance etc. as each vehicle leaves, but not let any vehicle come back in. Then do the obvious thing and make a proper and permanent block to the site.[/p][/quote]Skips full of rubble seem relevant. Removal costs to suit those wishing to leave would probably be very high. Well urgent attention from Council Officialdom is so disruptive and therefore so expensive - its the 'knock on costs' you know - especially when its the holiday season and staff are so stretched !! Ebb Tide
  • Score: 7

12:15pm Wed 14 May 14

RM says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Fix the dragon's teeth BEFORE the 'visitors' leave, and see how they like that!

On a more serious note, the implication here is that the encampment's occupants were able to access one of the areas as it was easy to remove a dragon's tooth because it was in poor condition. Assuming it was still in the correct place, have they not broken and entered the area by damaging it further,, with the result that they have broken the law and should be evicted immediately for breaking and entering, plus charged for criminal damage, and aggravated trespass?
Plod will claim that it is impossible to identify the person/people who actually removed the dragon's tooth - unless some resident has a photo of it happening? - and that they can't arrest them all - haven't they heard of the crime of 'aiding & abetting'? Too much like work I imagine.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Fix the dragon's teeth BEFORE the 'visitors' leave, and see how they like that! On a more serious note, the implication here is that the encampment's occupants were able to access one of the areas as it was easy to remove a dragon's tooth because it was in poor condition. Assuming it was still in the correct place, have they not broken and entered the area by damaging it further,, with the result that they have broken the law and should be evicted immediately for breaking and entering, plus charged for criminal damage, and aggravated trespass?[/p][/quote]Plod will claim that it is impossible to identify the person/people who actually removed the dragon's tooth - unless some resident has a photo of it happening? - and that they can't arrest them all - haven't they heard of the crime of 'aiding & abetting'? Too much like work I imagine. RM
  • Score: 11

12:17pm Wed 14 May 14

RM says...

muscliffman wrote:
It's like watching a coiled spring when our public servants burst into action to protect the public who employ them with their best fast-track procedures. These allegedly 'Irish travellers' turn up and encamp illegally on a public site on a Sunday. Three days later in the absence of any other apparent efforts whatsoever to establish who and what they really are or move them on, we finally hear that the local Council is 'seeking' a Court date which will enable a judicial hearing sometime this week ....... or maybe early next - or presumably whenever it fits in conveniently with our public official's normal working hour routines and flexi-time arrangements........



NOT good enough!
A very rusty coiled spring.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: It's like watching a coiled spring when our public servants burst into action to protect the public who employ them with their best fast-track procedures. These allegedly 'Irish travellers' turn up and encamp illegally on a public site on a Sunday. Three days later in the absence of any other apparent efforts whatsoever to establish who and what they really are or move them on, we finally hear that the local Council is 'seeking' a Court date which will enable a judicial hearing sometime this week ....... or maybe early next - or presumably whenever it fits in conveniently with our public official's normal working hour routines and flexi-time arrangements........ NOT good enough![/p][/quote]A very rusty coiled spring. RM
  • Score: 10

12:19pm Wed 14 May 14

Ebb Tide says...

Ebb Tide wrote:
dvdr wrote:
Don't move them out, block them in! If the poor dears have to walk everywhere and cannot use their fancy vehicles they will soon decide this place is not for them.

Then publish notice of and allow a single temporary exit point, monitored (one hopes) by the police, who can check licenses, tax, insurance etc. as each vehicle leaves, but not let any vehicle come back in. Then do the obvious thing and make a proper and permanent block to the site.
Skips full of rubble seem relevant. Removal costs to suit those wishing to leave would probably be very high. Well urgent attention from Council Officialdom is so disruptive and therefore so expensive - its the 'knock on costs' you know - especially when its the holiday season and staff are so stretched !!
Oh I would like the skips to be painted blue with dolphins so that it is obvious who put them there . Perhaps the skips could contain a premium telephone number so as to help payment and eventual removal after all necessary clean up work had been completed to the satisfaction of officialdom.
[quote][p][bold]Ebb Tide[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dvdr[/bold] wrote: Don't move them out, block them in! If the poor dears have to walk everywhere and cannot use their fancy vehicles they will soon decide this place is not for them. Then publish notice of and allow a single temporary exit point, monitored (one hopes) by the police, who can check licenses, tax, insurance etc. as each vehicle leaves, but not let any vehicle come back in. Then do the obvious thing and make a proper and permanent block to the site.[/p][/quote]Skips full of rubble seem relevant. Removal costs to suit those wishing to leave would probably be very high. Well urgent attention from Council Officialdom is so disruptive and therefore so expensive - its the 'knock on costs' you know - especially when its the holiday season and staff are so stretched !![/p][/quote]Oh I would like the skips to be painted blue with dolphins so that it is obvious who put them there . Perhaps the skips could contain a premium telephone number so as to help payment and eventual removal after all necessary clean up work had been completed to the satisfaction of officialdom. Ebb Tide
  • Score: 9

12:22pm Wed 14 May 14

Mad Karew says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
If the council knew the stumps were in bad condition, why hadn't they been replaced before the traveller season started?
.....
There's no joined-up thinking is there?
The Council relies on the public to report any such problems that need fixing and if nobody reports it they won't know. Not ideal, but if they employed people to go around checking on everything it would do nasty things to your Council Tax.....

The moral is to be a busybody and use the Report It button on the Council website every time you notice anything that needs fixing, not just assume someone else will do it. I've done this a number of times and they do respond.
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: If the council knew the stumps were in bad condition, why hadn't they been replaced before the traveller season started? ..... There's no joined-up thinking is there?[/p][/quote]The Council relies on the public to report any such problems that need fixing and if nobody reports it they won't know. Not ideal, but if they employed people to go around checking on everything it would do nasty things to your Council Tax..... The moral is to be a busybody and use the Report It button on the Council website every time you notice anything that needs fixing, not just assume someone else will do it. I've done this a number of times and they do respond. Mad Karew
  • Score: 6

12:31pm Wed 14 May 14

Ebb Tide says...

Ebb Tide wrote:
Ebb Tide wrote:
dvdr wrote:
Don't move them out, block them in! If the poor dears have to walk everywhere and cannot use their fancy vehicles they will soon decide this place is not for them.

Then publish notice of and allow a single temporary exit point, monitored (one hopes) by the police, who can check licenses, tax, insurance etc. as each vehicle leaves, but not let any vehicle come back in. Then do the obvious thing and make a proper and permanent block to the site.
Skips full of rubble seem relevant. Removal costs to suit those wishing to leave would probably be very high. Well urgent attention from Council Officialdom is so disruptive and therefore so expensive - its the 'knock on costs' you know - especially when its the holiday season and staff are so stretched !!
Oh I would like the skips to be painted blue with dolphins so that it is obvious who put them there . Perhaps the skips could contain a premium telephone number so as to help payment and eventual removal after all necessary clean up work had been completed to the satisfaction of officialdom.
The blue decor (with dolphins) could wait for some future event. Please use any old skips now. My request for the artwork and information should not be used as an excuse for doing nothing physical now. This comment is made upon the assumption that our officialdom does act sensibly and monitors the comments that our local media receive.

Suspect I've fallen into the trap of attributing too much to our overworked support staff that ensure Poole is such a safe and progressive place in which to bring up ones children. Such fun !!
[quote][p][bold]Ebb Tide[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ebb Tide[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dvdr[/bold] wrote: Don't move them out, block them in! If the poor dears have to walk everywhere and cannot use their fancy vehicles they will soon decide this place is not for them. Then publish notice of and allow a single temporary exit point, monitored (one hopes) by the police, who can check licenses, tax, insurance etc. as each vehicle leaves, but not let any vehicle come back in. Then do the obvious thing and make a proper and permanent block to the site.[/p][/quote]Skips full of rubble seem relevant. Removal costs to suit those wishing to leave would probably be very high. Well urgent attention from Council Officialdom is so disruptive and therefore so expensive - its the 'knock on costs' you know - especially when its the holiday season and staff are so stretched !![/p][/quote]Oh I would like the skips to be painted blue with dolphins so that it is obvious who put them there . Perhaps the skips could contain a premium telephone number so as to help payment and eventual removal after all necessary clean up work had been completed to the satisfaction of officialdom.[/p][/quote]The blue decor (with dolphins) could wait for some future event. Please use any old skips now. My request for the artwork and information should not be used as an excuse for doing nothing physical now. This comment is made upon the assumption that our officialdom does act sensibly and monitors the comments that our local media receive. Suspect I've fallen into the trap of attributing too much to our overworked support staff that ensure Poole is such a safe and progressive place in which to bring up ones children. Such fun !! Ebb Tide
  • Score: 5

1:00pm Wed 14 May 14

justsayithowitis says...

Mad Karew wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
If the council knew the stumps were in bad condition, why hadn't they been replaced before the traveller season started?
.....
There's no joined-up thinking is there?
The Council relies on the public to report any such problems that need fixing and if nobody reports it they won't know. Not ideal, but if they employed people to go around checking on everything it would do nasty things to your Council Tax.....

The moral is to be a busybody and use the Report It button on the Council website every time you notice anything that needs fixing, not just assume someone else will do it. I've done this a number of times and they do respond.
Council have said they were aware several dragons teeth were in a poor condition but it's not a priority. It's now going to cost a lot more to evict the travellers and clean up after them than it would have to fix the problem in the first place
[quote][p][bold]Mad Karew[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: If the council knew the stumps were in bad condition, why hadn't they been replaced before the traveller season started? ..... There's no joined-up thinking is there?[/p][/quote]The Council relies on the public to report any such problems that need fixing and if nobody reports it they won't know. Not ideal, but if they employed people to go around checking on everything it would do nasty things to your Council Tax..... The moral is to be a busybody and use the Report It button on the Council website every time you notice anything that needs fixing, not just assume someone else will do it. I've done this a number of times and they do respond.[/p][/quote]Council have said they were aware several dragons teeth were in a poor condition but it's not a priority. It's now going to cost a lot more to evict the travellers and clean up after them than it would have to fix the problem in the first place justsayithowitis
  • Score: 9

2:38pm Wed 14 May 14

Ebb Tide says...

Mad Karew wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
If the council knew the stumps were in bad condition, why hadn't they been replaced before the traveller season started?
.....
There's no joined-up thinking is there?
The Council relies on the public to report any such problems that need fixing and if nobody reports it they won't know. Not ideal, but if they employed people to go around checking on everything it would do nasty things to your Council Tax.....

The moral is to be a busybody and use the Report It button on the Council website every time you notice anything that needs fixing, not just assume someone else will do it. I've done this a number of times and they do respond.
"Public Engagement" (fostered by the Localism Act) is the technical term for being a body that is busy trying to protect our communities from ill advised practices endorsed by Councillors that know everything or don't really want to be bothered at the appropriate time. We must 'go for it' .
[quote][p][bold]Mad Karew[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: If the council knew the stumps were in bad condition, why hadn't they been replaced before the traveller season started? ..... There's no joined-up thinking is there?[/p][/quote]The Council relies on the public to report any such problems that need fixing and if nobody reports it they won't know. Not ideal, but if they employed people to go around checking on everything it would do nasty things to your Council Tax..... The moral is to be a busybody and use the Report It button on the Council website every time you notice anything that needs fixing, not just assume someone else will do it. I've done this a number of times and they do respond.[/p][/quote]"Public Engagement" (fostered by the Localism Act) is the technical term for being a body that is busy trying to protect our communities from ill advised practices endorsed by Councillors that know everything or don't really want to be bothered at the appropriate time. We must 'go for it' . Ebb Tide
  • Score: 1

2:58pm Wed 14 May 14

kangaroo_joey says...

So, our friends that are parked in Baiter Car park, surely they are parked illegally? I see numerous traffic wardens around the Quay and that area slapping tickets on cars faster than you can say no, so why havent these mini hitlers visited Baiter car park and slapped parking tickets on the fancy cars and 4x4's parked there. I bet if I was to park in there for just 1 hour without a valid ticket id be slapped with a nice £60 ticket.
So, our friends that are parked in Baiter Car park, surely they are parked illegally? I see numerous traffic wardens around the Quay and that area slapping tickets on cars faster than you can say no, so why havent these mini hitlers visited Baiter car park and slapped parking tickets on the fancy cars and 4x4's parked there. I bet if I was to park in there for just 1 hour without a valid ticket id be slapped with a nice £60 ticket. kangaroo_joey
  • Score: 10

3:10pm Wed 14 May 14

TheDistrict says...

All this dilly dallying, giving into the travellers, them having the right to camp for a week or ten days before anything happens, and no racial comments. The whole Council Unity is playing into their hands all the time. Is it Section 8 that gives the right for councils to kick them off with immediate effect. Then get on with it.

Anyone fancy bringing their caravans to Whitecliff at the weekend. We would not be allowed to, we would be arrested and pulled off site. In fact if anyone from authority reads this, I suspect the barriers and chains are already in place.

LOL.............Of course Poole Council, we would never do this.
All this dilly dallying, giving into the travellers, them having the right to camp for a week or ten days before anything happens, and no racial comments. The whole Council Unity is playing into their hands all the time. Is it Section 8 that gives the right for councils to kick them off with immediate effect. Then get on with it. Anyone fancy bringing their caravans to Whitecliff at the weekend. We would not be allowed to, we would be arrested and pulled off site. In fact if anyone from authority reads this, I suspect the barriers and chains are already in place. LOL.............Of course Poole Council, we would never do this. TheDistrict
  • Score: 5

5:43pm Wed 14 May 14

Dave2207 says...

Perhaps these 'holiday campers' saw the new sign over the A338 'Welcome to Bournemouth' and took it literally? Does the sign need to be changed to something like: "Bournemouth Welcomes LAW ABIDING visitors."
Perhaps these 'holiday campers' saw the new sign over the A338 'Welcome to Bournemouth' and took it literally? Does the sign need to be changed to something like: "Bournemouth Welcomes LAW ABIDING visitors." Dave2207
  • Score: 2

5:49pm Wed 14 May 14

Shogun50 says...

kangaroo_joey wrote:
So, our friends that are parked in Baiter Car park, surely they are parked illegally? I see numerous traffic wardens around the Quay and that area slapping tickets on cars faster than you can say no, so why havent these mini hitlers visited Baiter car park and slapped parking tickets on the fancy cars and 4x4's parked there. I bet if I was to park in there for just 1 hour without a valid ticket id be slapped with a nice £60 ticket.
As I stated yesterday, I spoke to a Traffic Warden on Poole Quay who said she hadn't even been to Baiter because of the possible trouble she may encounter, she stayed away and would not be going at all. I asked if I could park there for free, or on the road as the car park will soon be full of "travellers", and she said I should call the number on the parking machines and raise it with them. Bet you we would be fined and they will not as they are so well protected and we are not
[quote][p][bold]kangaroo_joey[/bold] wrote: So, our friends that are parked in Baiter Car park, surely they are parked illegally? I see numerous traffic wardens around the Quay and that area slapping tickets on cars faster than you can say no, so why havent these mini hitlers visited Baiter car park and slapped parking tickets on the fancy cars and 4x4's parked there. I bet if I was to park in there for just 1 hour without a valid ticket id be slapped with a nice £60 ticket.[/p][/quote]As I stated yesterday, I spoke to a Traffic Warden on Poole Quay who said she hadn't even been to Baiter because of the possible trouble she may encounter, she stayed away and would not be going at all. I asked if I could park there for free, or on the road as the car park will soon be full of "travellers", and she said I should call the number on the parking machines and raise it with them. Bet you we would be fined and they will not as they are so well protected and we are not Shogun50
  • Score: 6

6:16pm Wed 14 May 14

martinsim34 says...

make someone accountable in poole so if this happens again they know thier job is on the line,in otherwords they get off their assess and chase these jobs to be done.hey i could do that
make someone accountable in poole so if this happens again they know thier job is on the line,in otherwords they get off their assess and chase these jobs to be done.hey i could do that martinsim34
  • Score: 3

6:25pm Wed 14 May 14

RM says...

Ebb Tide wrote:
Mad Karew wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
If the council knew the stumps were in bad condition, why hadn't they been replaced before the traveller season started?
.....
There's no joined-up thinking is there?
The Council relies on the public to report any such problems that need fixing and if nobody reports it they won't know. Not ideal, but if they employed people to go around checking on everything it would do nasty things to your Council Tax.....

The moral is to be a busybody and use the Report It button on the Council website every time you notice anything that needs fixing, not just assume someone else will do it. I've done this a number of times and they do respond.
"Public Engagement" (fostered by the Localism Act) is the technical term for being a body that is busy trying to protect our communities from ill advised practices endorsed by Councillors that know everything or don't really want to be bothered at the appropriate time. We must 'go for it' .
No offence intended but are you sure the Council doesn't send it's staff round to check on the things its own but expects the public to do so? I would have thought that part of the job of any Council department responsible for anything outside the Civic Centre would include monitoring the state whatever they're responsible for. For example, bus companies don't expect the public to tell them when to carry out maintenance on their buses. My neighbours don't tell me when my grass needs cutting etc..
[quote][p][bold]Ebb Tide[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mad Karew[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: If the council knew the stumps were in bad condition, why hadn't they been replaced before the traveller season started? ..... There's no joined-up thinking is there?[/p][/quote]The Council relies on the public to report any such problems that need fixing and if nobody reports it they won't know. Not ideal, but if they employed people to go around checking on everything it would do nasty things to your Council Tax..... The moral is to be a busybody and use the Report It button on the Council website every time you notice anything that needs fixing, not just assume someone else will do it. I've done this a number of times and they do respond.[/p][/quote]"Public Engagement" (fostered by the Localism Act) is the technical term for being a body that is busy trying to protect our communities from ill advised practices endorsed by Councillors that know everything or don't really want to be bothered at the appropriate time. We must 'go for it' .[/p][/quote]No offence intended but are you sure the Council doesn't send it's staff round to check on the things its own but expects the public to do so? I would have thought that part of the job of any Council department responsible for anything outside the Civic Centre would include monitoring the state whatever they're responsible for. For example, bus companies don't expect the public to tell them when to carry out maintenance on their buses. My neighbours don't tell me when my grass needs cutting etc.. RM
  • Score: 0

6:27pm Wed 14 May 14

Jo__Go says...

Mad Karew wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
If the council knew the stumps were in bad condition, why hadn't they been replaced before the traveller season started?
.....
There's no joined-up thinking is there?
The Council relies on the public to report any such problems that need fixing and if nobody reports it they won't know. Not ideal, but if they employed people to go around checking on everything it would do nasty things to your Council Tax.....

The moral is to be a busybody and use the Report It button on the Council website every time you notice anything that needs fixing, not just assume someone else will do it. I've done this a number of times and they do respond.
Back in my local authority days we worked to a system called planned maintenance, whereby items were logged and their next maintenance point diarised. How hard would it be to stick a note on a calendar to replace dragons teeth 5 years (or whatever) after installing them, on the basis that 80% would be ready by then for replacement?
[quote][p][bold]Mad Karew[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: If the council knew the stumps were in bad condition, why hadn't they been replaced before the traveller season started? ..... There's no joined-up thinking is there?[/p][/quote]The Council relies on the public to report any such problems that need fixing and if nobody reports it they won't know. Not ideal, but if they employed people to go around checking on everything it would do nasty things to your Council Tax..... The moral is to be a busybody and use the Report It button on the Council website every time you notice anything that needs fixing, not just assume someone else will do it. I've done this a number of times and they do respond.[/p][/quote]Back in my local authority days we worked to a system called planned maintenance, whereby items were logged and their next maintenance point diarised. How hard would it be to stick a note on a calendar to replace dragons teeth 5 years (or whatever) after installing them, on the basis that 80% would be ready by then for replacement? Jo__Go
  • Score: 1

6:32pm Wed 14 May 14

Yankee1 says...

I bet they have a Gmail calendar:

May 13 - Move in

May 14 - Terry and Paddy scout out next camp

May 15 - Council executes order

May 17 am - Move to new site. Leave mess behind.

It is a business of sorts. They play; we pay.
I bet they have a Gmail calendar: May 13 - Move in May 14 - Terry and Paddy scout out next camp May 15 - Council executes order May 17 am - Move to new site. Leave mess behind. It is a business of sorts. They play; we pay. Yankee1
  • Score: 1

8:14pm Wed 14 May 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Leave them there ,they will only move on .so accept that they have outwitted the council and police.settle for 1 clean up job.but put a tax inspector on their vehicles just to settle the mystery of how they can afford to live to a higher standard than their occasional neighbours
Leave them there ,they will only move on .so accept that they have outwitted the council and police.settle for 1 clean up job.but put a tax inspector on their vehicles just to settle the mystery of how they can afford to live to a higher standard than their occasional neighbours kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 1

9:17pm Wed 14 May 14

fireflier says...

Oh! come on Poole Council.
You and every other Council should be now have covered EVERY available and likely piece of land with By Laws banning ANY form of mobile habitation and ensuring such By Laws included a clause for IMMEDIATE removal or impounding of any vehicles used for the purposes of such encampment.
Oh! come on Poole Council. You and every other Council should be now have covered EVERY available and likely piece of land with By Laws banning ANY form of mobile habitation and ensuring such By Laws included a clause for IMMEDIATE removal or impounding of any vehicles used for the purposes of such encampment. fireflier
  • Score: 3

10:04pm Wed 14 May 14

hooplaa says...

Its an absolute joke! They get away with what they want and no one has the balls to deal with it. Police, council are a waste of time
Its an absolute joke! They get away with what they want and no one has the balls to deal with it. Police, council are a waste of time hooplaa
  • Score: 2

10:40pm Wed 14 May 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

£2000 and a private eviction notice would have them moved immediately...... why the court farce?
£2000 and a private eviction notice would have them moved immediately...... why the court farce? Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 0

1:21am Thu 15 May 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

RM wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
It's like watching a coiled spring when our public servants burst into action to protect the public who employ them with their best fast-track procedures. These allegedly 'Irish travellers' turn up and encamp illegally on a public site on a Sunday. Three days later in the absence of any other apparent efforts whatsoever to establish who and what they really are or move them on, we finally hear that the local Council is 'seeking' a Court date which will enable a judicial hearing sometime this week ....... or maybe early next - or presumably whenever it fits in conveniently with our public official's normal working hour routines and flexi-time arrangements........




NOT good enough!
A very rusty coiled spring.
A limp, week old leaf of lettuce more like.
[quote][p][bold]RM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: It's like watching a coiled spring when our public servants burst into action to protect the public who employ them with their best fast-track procedures. These allegedly 'Irish travellers' turn up and encamp illegally on a public site on a Sunday. Three days later in the absence of any other apparent efforts whatsoever to establish who and what they really are or move them on, we finally hear that the local Council is 'seeking' a Court date which will enable a judicial hearing sometime this week ....... or maybe early next - or presumably whenever it fits in conveniently with our public official's normal working hour routines and flexi-time arrangements........ NOT good enough![/p][/quote]A very rusty coiled spring.[/p][/quote]A limp, week old leaf of lettuce more like. HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 0

10:35am Thu 15 May 14

Victor_Meldrew_Lives! says...

Parasites.
Parasites. Victor_Meldrew_Lives!
  • Score: 0

10:32pm Thu 15 May 14

fairandsquared says...

Yawn yawn yawn, have they hurt anyone?.
Yawn yawn yawn, have they hurt anyone?. fairandsquared
  • Score: -1

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