Plans to convert derelict Thatched House pub in East Howe into housing are welcomed

CONVERSION: The Thatched House pub in East Howe Lane, Kinson

CONVERSION: The Thatched House pub in East Howe Lane, Kinson

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PLANS to convert a derelict pub into housing could prove a ‘win win’ for local residents, it has been claimed.

Kinson North councillor Dennis Gritt said he welcomed the idea of converting the Thatched House pub in East Howe into two semi-detached houses and building four new houses in the grounds.

The pub has been closed for over a year but when open, was the subject of noise and anti-social behaviour complaints from local residents.

The Grade II-listed building was put up for sale last year but no offers were made by anyone wanting to operate the building as a pub.

Fish Develop-ments Ltd has now submitted plans to convert the listed building into two homes, renovating the thatched roof and the distinctive windows.

However, the developers claim this is not a viable proposition by itself so they also propose to build four new houses at the southern end of the site.

“The renovation of the listed building and its change of use to two homes is not financially viable in its own right and the four new houses are therefore required to make the scheme as a whole a financially viable proposition,” their application states.

“If the development is not viable it will not come forward, which would not be in the interests of the long-term preservation of the heritage asset.”

Cllr Gritt said: “In principle I’m really for this development, providing residents’ views are taken into account and it passes the planning panel.

“We had horrendous problems previously when it was a pub. I think this is a good thing all round, it’s a win-win situation.

“Hopefully the houses there will be low cost housing that people can get a mortgage on.”

The application is currently subject to public consultation and will be considered in due course.

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5:51pm Sun 11 May 14

pete woodley says...

Brown envelopes now ready.
Brown envelopes now ready. pete woodley
  • Score: 5

5:51pm Sun 11 May 14

Tango Charlie says...

The only 2 good landlords got the sack from the brewery as they did not turn a profit. But because of it's reputation they could not get a good clientele. At £3.50 a pint no wonder.
The only 2 good landlords got the sack from the brewery as they did not turn a profit. But because of it's reputation they could not get a good clientele. At £3.50 a pint no wonder. Tango Charlie
  • Score: 11

6:18pm Sun 11 May 14

ShuttleX says...

“Hopefully the houses there will be low cost housing that people can get a mortgage on.”

What's the weather like on your planet Cllr Gritt?
“Hopefully the houses there will be low cost housing that people can get a mortgage on.” What's the weather like on your planet Cllr Gritt? ShuttleX
  • Score: 18

6:38pm Sun 11 May 14

Adrian XX says...

Tango Charlie wrote:
The only 2 good landlords got the sack from the brewery as they did not turn a profit. But because of it's reputation they could not get a good clientele. At £3.50 a pint no wonder.
£3.50 is quite a reasonable price. The trouble with most pubs these days is that you can invariably get better beer and better food from the supermarket. Who wants to drink Marston's beers when you can get far better ones from the supermarket at a lower price? And how wants to pay £10 for burger and chips when you can make far better food at home in about 15 minutes?
[quote][p][bold]Tango Charlie[/bold] wrote: The only 2 good landlords got the sack from the brewery as they did not turn a profit. But because of it's reputation they could not get a good clientele. At £3.50 a pint no wonder.[/p][/quote]£3.50 is quite a reasonable price. The trouble with most pubs these days is that you can invariably get better beer and better food from the supermarket. Who wants to drink Marston's beers when you can get far better ones from the supermarket at a lower price? And how wants to pay £10 for burger and chips when you can make far better food at home in about 15 minutes? Adrian XX
  • Score: 14

7:11pm Sun 11 May 14

pete woodley says...

ShuttleX wrote:
“Hopefully the houses there will be low cost housing that people can get a mortgage on.”

What's the weather like on your planet Cllr Gritt?
Wonder when Gritt last went there,log way from Queens Park.I would like to guess they wont be cheap.
[quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: “Hopefully the houses there will be low cost housing that people can get a mortgage on.” What's the weather like on your planet Cllr Gritt?[/p][/quote]Wonder when Gritt last went there,log way from Queens Park.I would like to guess they wont be cheap. pete woodley
  • Score: 2

7:52pm Sun 11 May 14

Huey says...

Fill the site with much needed social housing. That is what surrounds that area. That is what is needed.
Fill the site with much needed social housing. That is what surrounds that area. That is what is needed. Huey
  • Score: 13

8:43pm Sun 11 May 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

Huey wrote:
Fill the site with much needed social housing. That is what surrounds that area. That is what is needed.
I think you'll find THAT is the very reason the area is a dump/dumping ground for benefits street folk already.
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Fill the site with much needed social housing. That is what surrounds that area. That is what is needed.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find THAT is the very reason the area is a dump/dumping ground for benefits street folk already. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: 4

8:51pm Sun 11 May 14

stevobath says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Huey wrote:
Fill the site with much needed social housing. That is what surrounds that area. That is what is needed.
I think you'll find THAT is the very reason the area is a dump/dumping ground for benefits street folk already.
Yes, 'cause we all know that ONLY those on benefits cause trouble.

More bigoted rubbish as usual from you.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Fill the site with much needed social housing. That is what surrounds that area. That is what is needed.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find THAT is the very reason the area is a dump/dumping ground for benefits street folk already.[/p][/quote]Yes, 'cause we all know that ONLY those on benefits cause trouble. More bigoted rubbish as usual from you. stevobath
  • Score: 8

9:48pm Sun 11 May 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

stevobath wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Huey wrote:
Fill the site with much needed social housing. That is what surrounds that area. That is what is needed.
I think you'll find THAT is the very reason the area is a dump/dumping ground for benefits street folk already.
Yes, 'cause we all know that ONLY those on benefits cause trouble.

More bigoted rubbish as usual from you.
If it's 'as usual' I can't see why you commented.

Wait for me to say something unusual then fill yer boots.

Now get out of your bath and tidy your room.
[quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Fill the site with much needed social housing. That is what surrounds that area. That is what is needed.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find THAT is the very reason the area is a dump/dumping ground for benefits street folk already.[/p][/quote]Yes, 'cause we all know that ONLY those on benefits cause trouble. More bigoted rubbish as usual from you.[/p][/quote]If it's 'as usual' I can't see why you commented. Wait for me to say something unusual then fill yer boots. Now get out of your bath and tidy your room. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: -15

10:54pm Sun 11 May 14

Mangiafuoco says...

It's a win-win situation for who?????
It's a win-win situation for who????? Mangiafuoco
  • Score: 8

1:41am Mon 12 May 14

MrPitiful says...

Adrian XX wrote:
Tango Charlie wrote:
The only 2 good landlords got the sack from the brewery as they did not turn a profit. But because of it's reputation they could not get a good clientele. At £3.50 a pint no wonder.
£3.50 is quite a reasonable price. The trouble with most pubs these days is that you can invariably get better beer and better food from the supermarket. Who wants to drink Marston's beers when you can get far better ones from the supermarket at a lower price? And how wants to pay £10 for burger and chips when you can make far better food at home in about 15 minutes?
£3.50 for a pint isn't reasonable - it's bordering on expensive.

I don't mind paying qa bit more if ther's a band on in a venue or if it's a late night venue or similar but for what is seemingly a local's pub, then prices should be kept reasonable to encourage turnover etc.

This is the problem with these pub companies. The many levels of hierarchy that exist within don't realise the simple psychology that if they don't get too greedy with the prices, they wll increase turnover and ultimately profits by keeping the paying punters happy.

Hence the reason for the success of Wetherspoons.
[quote][p][bold]Adrian XX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tango Charlie[/bold] wrote: The only 2 good landlords got the sack from the brewery as they did not turn a profit. But because of it's reputation they could not get a good clientele. At £3.50 a pint no wonder.[/p][/quote]£3.50 is quite a reasonable price. The trouble with most pubs these days is that you can invariably get better beer and better food from the supermarket. Who wants to drink Marston's beers when you can get far better ones from the supermarket at a lower price? And how wants to pay £10 for burger and chips when you can make far better food at home in about 15 minutes?[/p][/quote]£3.50 for a pint isn't reasonable - it's bordering on expensive. I don't mind paying qa bit more if ther's a band on in a venue or if it's a late night venue or similar but for what is seemingly a local's pub, then prices should be kept reasonable to encourage turnover etc. This is the problem with these pub companies. The many levels of hierarchy that exist within don't realise the simple psychology that if they don't get too greedy with the prices, they wll increase turnover and ultimately profits by keeping the paying punters happy. Hence the reason for the success of Wetherspoons. MrPitiful
  • Score: 11

3:37am Mon 12 May 14

pete woodley says...

why do councillors always get involved with developers.
why do councillors always get involved with developers. pete woodley
  • Score: 8

6:47am Mon 12 May 14

Phixer says...

pete woodley wrote:
why do councillors always get involved with developers.
corruption
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: why do councillors always get involved with developers.[/p][/quote]corruption Phixer
  • Score: 12

9:20am Mon 12 May 14

TheDistrict says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Huey wrote:
Fill the site with much needed social housing. That is what surrounds that area. That is what is needed.
I think you'll find THAT is the very reason the area is a dump/dumping ground for benefits street folk already.
Once again...............
...........pathetic
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Fill the site with much needed social housing. That is what surrounds that area. That is what is needed.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find THAT is the very reason the area is a dump/dumping ground for benefits street folk already.[/p][/quote]Once again............... ...........pathetic TheDistrict
  • Score: 0

10:44am Mon 12 May 14

Azphreal says...

'“Hopefully the houses there will be low cost housing that people can get a mortgage on.” Don't hold your breath.
'“Hopefully the houses there will be low cost housing that people can get a mortgage on.” Don't hold your breath. Azphreal
  • Score: 5

10:51am Mon 12 May 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

TheDistrict wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Huey wrote:
Fill the site with much needed social housing. That is what surrounds that area. That is what is needed.
I think you'll find THAT is the very reason the area is a dump/dumping ground for benefits street folk already.
Once again...............

...........pathetic
Truth hurts you doesn't it.
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Fill the site with much needed social housing. That is what surrounds that area. That is what is needed.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find THAT is the very reason the area is a dump/dumping ground for benefits street folk already.[/p][/quote]Once again............... ...........pathetic[/p][/quote]Truth hurts you doesn't it. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: 0

11:40am Mon 12 May 14

speedy231278 says...

MrPitiful wrote:
Adrian XX wrote:
Tango Charlie wrote:
The only 2 good landlords got the sack from the brewery as they did not turn a profit. But because of it's reputation they could not get a good clientele. At £3.50 a pint no wonder.
£3.50 is quite a reasonable price. The trouble with most pubs these days is that you can invariably get better beer and better food from the supermarket. Who wants to drink Marston's beers when you can get far better ones from the supermarket at a lower price? And how wants to pay £10 for burger and chips when you can make far better food at home in about 15 minutes?
£3.50 for a pint isn't reasonable - it's bordering on expensive.

I don't mind paying qa bit more if ther's a band on in a venue or if it's a late night venue or similar but for what is seemingly a local's pub, then prices should be kept reasonable to encourage turnover etc.

This is the problem with these pub companies. The many levels of hierarchy that exist within don't realise the simple psychology that if they don't get too greedy with the prices, they wll increase turnover and ultimately profits by keeping the paying punters happy.

Hence the reason for the success of Wetherspoons.
You mean hence the reason Wetherspoons is full of drunken louts and crap beer?
[quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian XX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tango Charlie[/bold] wrote: The only 2 good landlords got the sack from the brewery as they did not turn a profit. But because of it's reputation they could not get a good clientele. At £3.50 a pint no wonder.[/p][/quote]£3.50 is quite a reasonable price. The trouble with most pubs these days is that you can invariably get better beer and better food from the supermarket. Who wants to drink Marston's beers when you can get far better ones from the supermarket at a lower price? And how wants to pay £10 for burger and chips when you can make far better food at home in about 15 minutes?[/p][/quote]£3.50 for a pint isn't reasonable - it's bordering on expensive. I don't mind paying qa bit more if ther's a band on in a venue or if it's a late night venue or similar but for what is seemingly a local's pub, then prices should be kept reasonable to encourage turnover etc. This is the problem with these pub companies. The many levels of hierarchy that exist within don't realise the simple psychology that if they don't get too greedy with the prices, they wll increase turnover and ultimately profits by keeping the paying punters happy. Hence the reason for the success of Wetherspoons.[/p][/quote]You mean hence the reason Wetherspoons is full of drunken louts and crap beer? speedy231278
  • Score: 0

11:44am Mon 12 May 14

speedy231278 says...

People complaining about £3.50 a pint (which is pretty cheap these days if you aren't at some awful chain pub), do you realise that landlords with groups like Hall and Woodhouse, etc, actually have to pay more for a pint a of beer delivered to their cellar than JD Wetherspoon can sell it for? Do you realise that that is because JDW et all buy beer that's a few days from being past the use-by date and sell it cheap, knowing mugs will buy old beer because it's cheap? Therefore, a decent local pub sells less beer, because it is more expensive, so the brewery charge even more due to the low throughput, and the cycle carries on. If you are worried about beer being cheap, you are just drinking to get drunk.
People complaining about £3.50 a pint (which is pretty cheap these days if you aren't at some awful chain pub), do you realise that landlords with groups like Hall and Woodhouse, etc, actually have to pay more for a pint a of beer delivered to their cellar than JD Wetherspoon can sell it for? Do you realise that that is because JDW et all buy beer that's a few days from being past the use-by date and sell it cheap, knowing mugs will buy old beer because it's cheap? Therefore, a decent local pub sells less beer, because it is more expensive, so the brewery charge even more due to the low throughput, and the cycle carries on. If you are worried about beer being cheap, you are just drinking to get drunk. speedy231278
  • Score: -1

12:29pm Mon 12 May 14

MrPitiful says...

speedy231278 wrote:
People complaining about £3.50 a pint (which is pretty cheap these days if you aren't at some awful chain pub), do you realise that landlords with groups like Hall and Woodhouse, etc, actually have to pay more for a pint a of beer delivered to their cellar than JD Wetherspoon can sell it for? Do you realise that that is because JDW et all buy beer that's a few days from being past the use-by date and sell it cheap, knowing mugs will buy old beer because it's cheap? Therefore, a decent local pub sells less beer, because it is more expensive, so the brewery charge even more due to the low throughput, and the cycle carries on. If you are worried about beer being cheap, you are just drinking to get drunk.
It is a false urban myth that Wetherspoons buy beer that is close to sell by date. Their business model and process is not based on this at all - a pub company that sells the amount of beer in the way they do would be dicing with suicide if they traded in this way. Especially when so many of their pubs are CAMRA recommended etc.

I know the owners of 2 seperate independent breweries whose real ales have been sold in Wetherspoons over recent years. Not once have they sold them beer near to its sell by date or different in any other way to how they sell it to anyone else. If everyone understood how Wetherspoons did actually buy their beer stocks and how they traded with the independent breweries, it would pull the "old beer" myth apart.

Small breweries simply deal wit Wetherspoons through wholesalers ona wholesale basis because it increases their turnover - albeit at a smaller margin - and it also helps their product reach a wider audience. Ultimately saves in marketing costs etc.

I'm not blowing any trumpet for Wetherspoons, I can take them or leave them. The point is that when the smaller pub companues take over pubs like the one in the article and expect locals to pay relatively higher prices, they need to bear in mind market forces as well as the fact that people like value for money.

I would also point out that in our local area, it's not just the cheaper Wetherspoons you can walk into if you want to come across drunken louts and crap beer. Quite a few places in the area come to mind where you will pay £3.50 plus a pint and encounter this on any given day of the week.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: People complaining about £3.50 a pint (which is pretty cheap these days if you aren't at some awful chain pub), do you realise that landlords with groups like Hall and Woodhouse, etc, actually have to pay more for a pint a of beer delivered to their cellar than JD Wetherspoon can sell it for? Do you realise that that is because JDW et all buy beer that's a few days from being past the use-by date and sell it cheap, knowing mugs will buy old beer because it's cheap? Therefore, a decent local pub sells less beer, because it is more expensive, so the brewery charge even more due to the low throughput, and the cycle carries on. If you are worried about beer being cheap, you are just drinking to get drunk.[/p][/quote]It is a false urban myth that Wetherspoons buy beer that is close to sell by date. Their business model and process is not based on this at all - a pub company that sells the amount of beer in the way they do would be dicing with suicide if they traded in this way. Especially when so many of their pubs are CAMRA recommended etc. I know the owners of 2 seperate independent breweries whose real ales have been sold in Wetherspoons over recent years. Not once have they sold them beer near to its sell by date or different in any other way to how they sell it to anyone else. If everyone understood how Wetherspoons did actually buy their beer stocks and how they traded with the independent breweries, it would pull the "old beer" myth apart. Small breweries simply deal wit Wetherspoons through wholesalers ona wholesale basis because it increases their turnover - albeit at a smaller margin - and it also helps their product reach a wider audience. Ultimately saves in marketing costs etc. I'm not blowing any trumpet for Wetherspoons, I can take them or leave them. The point is that when the smaller pub companues take over pubs like the one in the article and expect locals to pay relatively higher prices, they need to bear in mind market forces as well as the fact that people like value for money. I would also point out that in our local area, it's not just the cheaper Wetherspoons you can walk into if you want to come across drunken louts and crap beer. Quite a few places in the area come to mind where you will pay £3.50 plus a pint and encounter this on any given day of the week. MrPitiful
  • Score: 2

8:22pm Mon 12 May 14

dawnjohn says...

I used to work at the Thatch 20 yrs ago and although we had trouble ( occasionally) it policed itself and was a great pub,It was then decided to make it into 1 bar and" lets serve food" and it ,in my mind, ruined a bloody good pub that served its local area very well. It is a shame that no-one took it on but like The Osprey if its turned into social housing at least someone would get some benefit out of the site xx
I used to work at the Thatch 20 yrs ago and although we had trouble ( occasionally) it policed itself and was a great pub,It was then decided to make it into 1 bar and" lets serve food" and it ,in my mind, ruined a bloody good pub that served its local area very well. It is a shame that no-one took it on but like The Osprey if its turned into social housing at least someone would get some benefit out of the site xx dawnjohn
  • Score: 1

9:17am Tue 13 May 14

Arthur Maureen says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Huey wrote:
Fill the site with much needed social housing. That is what surrounds that area. That is what is needed.
I think you'll find THAT is the very reason the area is a dump/dumping ground for benefits street folk already.
Once again...............


...........pathetic
Truth hurts you doesn't it.
Bit of a twit aren't you
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Fill the site with much needed social housing. That is what surrounds that area. That is what is needed.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find THAT is the very reason the area is a dump/dumping ground for benefits street folk already.[/p][/quote]Once again............... ...........pathetic[/p][/quote]Truth hurts you doesn't it.[/p][/quote]Bit of a twit aren't you Arthur Maureen
  • Score: 0

9:47am Tue 13 May 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

Arthur Maureen wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Huey wrote:
Fill the site with much needed social housing. That is what surrounds that area. That is what is needed.
I think you'll find THAT is the very reason the area is a dump/dumping ground for benefits street folk already.
Once again...............



...........pathetic
Truth hurts you doesn't it.
Bit of a twit aren't you
Bit confused aren't you.
[quote][p][bold]Arthur Maureen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Fill the site with much needed social housing. That is what surrounds that area. That is what is needed.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find THAT is the very reason the area is a dump/dumping ground for benefits street folk already.[/p][/quote]Once again............... ...........pathetic[/p][/quote]Truth hurts you doesn't it.[/p][/quote]Bit of a twit aren't you[/p][/quote]Bit confused aren't you. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: -2

7:55pm Tue 13 May 14

Dorset Logic says...

Adrian XX wrote:
Tango Charlie wrote:
The only 2 good landlords got the sack from the brewery as they did not turn a profit. But because of it's reputation they could not get a good clientele. At £3.50 a pint no wonder.
£3.50 is quite a reasonable price. The trouble with most pubs these days is that you can invariably get better beer and better food from the supermarket. Who wants to drink Marston's beers when you can get far better ones from the supermarket at a lower price? And how wants to pay £10 for burger and chips when you can make far better food at home in about 15 minutes?
People that like to go out?
[quote][p][bold]Adrian XX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tango Charlie[/bold] wrote: The only 2 good landlords got the sack from the brewery as they did not turn a profit. But because of it's reputation they could not get a good clientele. At £3.50 a pint no wonder.[/p][/quote]£3.50 is quite a reasonable price. The trouble with most pubs these days is that you can invariably get better beer and better food from the supermarket. Who wants to drink Marston's beers when you can get far better ones from the supermarket at a lower price? And how wants to pay £10 for burger and chips when you can make far better food at home in about 15 minutes?[/p][/quote]People that like to go out? Dorset Logic
  • Score: 1

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