Firefighters across Dorset walkout for first of three strikes this month following breakdown in pension talks

Bournemouth Echo: DOWNED TOOLS: Firefighters striking DOWNED TOOLS: Firefighters striking

FIREFIGHTERS went on strike across Dorset yesterday for the first of three days of planned industrial action, following the breakdown in pension negotiations with government.

Members of the Fire Brigades Union (FBU) downed tools at several Dorset fire stations, including Springbourne and Poole, from midday until 5pm, as the bitter row rumbles on.

Two more walkouts are set for today, 2pm to 2am, and tomorrow, 10am to 3pm, but Dorset Fire & Rescue Service (DFRS) insists it will be responding to 999 calls throughout these periods.

Karen Adams, below right, of Dorset FBU, explained the action was called after the government ended 17 weeks of negotiations by saying no new offer would be forthcoming.

Union members believe Whitehall’s plans to alter pension schemes could result in many firefighters in their late 50s being sacked.

Fire Minister Brandon Lewis – who said nearly half of firefighters would not be affected by the pension reforms – describes the FBU’s action as unnecessary and damaging to firefighters’ standing with the public.

Meanwhile, Mrs Adams said: “We’ve been told by the government they are now not going to make any offer and implement the original proposals.

“From the FBU’s perspective we think they are being totally irresponsible. It is really disappointing, we thought we were finally going to get somewhere.

“Our members do not want to be taking industrial action – that is why they’ve been happy for the past 17 weeks while we have been in negotiations.

“I think Brandon Lewis just kept us talking while all the flooding was taking place across the country, but never had any intention of really resolving this dispute.”

DFRS is urging members of the public to take extra care over the bank holiday weekend.

County fire chief Darran Gunter said: “Our priority will be to respond to those calls where lives may be at risk or someone needs to be rescued.

“If we respond to non-emergency calls then those most in need could be at risk, so please only ring 999 if a fire engine is really needed.”

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11:36am Sat 3 May 14

anotherfatslob says...

Stage a walkout,or walk out.
Stage a walkout,or walk out. anotherfatslob
  • Score: -3

12:33pm Sat 3 May 14

brungo says...

sheer greed!
sheer greed! brungo
  • Score: 13

4:30pm Sat 3 May 14

60plus says...

Good luck to them,wish nurses could go on strike.
Good luck to them,wish nurses could go on strike. 60plus
  • Score: -14

5:13pm Sat 3 May 14

Tango Charlie says...

Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers!
If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you!
Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers! If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you! Tango Charlie
  • Score: -16

7:05pm Sat 3 May 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Tango Charlie wrote:
Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers!
If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you!
When did you last do that drama queen? Get real your not the hero's you make out.only 10%of what you do was covered by your few weeks of training,try working on a building site until your 70 because the 5 year apprenticeship never involved the generous pension you lot get ,where is the building that requires a 200 ` ladder in Dorset ?
[quote][p][bold]Tango Charlie[/bold] wrote: Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers! If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you![/p][/quote]When did you last do that drama queen? Get real your not the hero's you make out.only 10%of what you do was covered by your few weeks of training,try working on a building site until your 70 because the 5 year apprenticeship never involved the generous pension you lot get ,where is the building that requires a 200 ` ladder in Dorset ? kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 16

9:10pm Sat 3 May 14

Not again !! says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Tango Charlie wrote:
Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers!
If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you!
When did you last do that drama queen? Get real your not the hero's you make out.only 10%of what you do was covered by your few weeks of training,try working on a building site until your 70 because the 5 year apprenticeship never involved the generous pension you lot get ,where is the building that requires a 200 ` ladder in Dorset ?
Bonjour Kalebmoledirt, good to see you still have an opinion on everything and still don't take the time to do any research. Could you tell me exactly what your opinion is on the 'Heads of agreement for firefighter pensions' that the Government is imposing. I certainly hope you have read it in depth before you start calling us firefighters names ! Four years the FBU has been try to get the Government to sit down and have meaningful talks.
For your information, during my 20 or so years as a full time firefighter I have put my self in serious risk to help others on many occasions. We often break the rules and go that extra mile to help people we don't know and will probably never meet again.
My initial training involved 12 weeks basic training which I can honestly say was gruelling even for the ex-forces guys and was followed by 4 years station based training as a probationer before pasing final exams. In the fire service we are constantly training and retraining, it's just how it is.
Having worked on building sites prior to joining the fire service and having studied for 6 years to gain my CIOB qualifications I can tell you that working on a site is hard work but comes no-where near to 20 minutes or so you spend searching through a burning building in scorching heat trying to locate casualties. It's completely exhausting and pushes you to the absolute limit and is not a job for a 60 year old.
For you to call us 'drama queens' or 'greedy' is completely insulting. We are standing up for the pension that we have all been paying £350 + for each and very month of our careers and hopefully avoiding being sacked due to capability and losing our pensions.
Everything you write in this columns is utter rubbish, I really wish you didn't bother. Why don'y you concentrate more on issues that are more local to you.
Au revoir !
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tango Charlie[/bold] wrote: Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers! If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you![/p][/quote]When did you last do that drama queen? Get real your not the hero's you make out.only 10%of what you do was covered by your few weeks of training,try working on a building site until your 70 because the 5 year apprenticeship never involved the generous pension you lot get ,where is the building that requires a 200 ` ladder in Dorset ?[/p][/quote]Bonjour Kalebmoledirt, good to see you still have an opinion on everything and still don't take the time to do any research. Could you tell me exactly what your opinion is on the 'Heads of agreement for firefighter pensions' that the Government is imposing. I certainly hope you have read it in depth before you start calling us firefighters names ! Four years the FBU has been try to get the Government to sit down and have meaningful talks. For your information, during my 20 or so years as a full time firefighter I have put my self in serious risk to help others on many occasions. We often break the rules and go that extra mile to help people we don't know and will probably never meet again. My initial training involved 12 weeks basic training which I can honestly say was gruelling even for the ex-forces guys and was followed by 4 years station based training as a probationer before pasing final exams. In the fire service we are constantly training and retraining, it's just how it is. Having worked on building sites prior to joining the fire service and having studied for 6 years to gain my CIOB qualifications I can tell you that working on a site is hard work but comes no-where near to 20 minutes or so you spend searching through a burning building in scorching heat trying to locate casualties. It's completely exhausting and pushes you to the absolute limit and is not a job for a 60 year old. For you to call us 'drama queens' or 'greedy' is completely insulting. We are standing up for the pension that we have all been paying £350 + for each and very month of our careers and hopefully avoiding being sacked due to capability and losing our pensions. Everything you write in this columns is utter rubbish, I really wish you didn't bother. Why don'y you concentrate more on issues that are more local to you. Au revoir ! Not again !!
  • Score: -7

12:23am Sun 4 May 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

60plus wrote:
Good luck to them,wish nurses could go on strike.
Really???
.
My company recently went through a big shake up and a lady in my team was told she'd have to pay an extra £400/mth to get the same payout as our old pension provider. She can't afford that. £50 or so but not £400. She can't strike.
.
For an emergency service to strike bring great shame on all of them. Absolutely disgusted. Sack these wimps and get some real men for the job.
[quote][p][bold]60plus[/bold] wrote: Good luck to them,wish nurses could go on strike.[/p][/quote]Really??? . My company recently went through a big shake up and a lady in my team was told she'd have to pay an extra £400/mth to get the same payout as our old pension provider. She can't afford that. £50 or so but not £400. She can't strike. . For an emergency service to strike bring great shame on all of them. Absolutely disgusted. Sack these wimps and get some real men for the job. HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 12

7:37am Sun 4 May 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Not again !! wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Tango Charlie wrote:
Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers!
If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you!
When did you last do that drama queen? Get real your not the hero's you make out.only 10%of what you do was covered by your few weeks of training,try working on a building site until your 70 because the 5 year apprenticeship never involved the generous pension you lot get ,where is the building that requires a 200 ` ladder in Dorset ?
Bonjour Kalebmoledirt, good to see you still have an opinion on everything and still don't take the time to do any research. Could you tell me exactly what your opinion is on the 'Heads of agreement for firefighter pensions' that the Government is imposing. I certainly hope you have read it in depth before you start calling us firefighters names ! Four years the FBU has been try to get the Government to sit down and have meaningful talks.
For your information, during my 20 or so years as a full time firefighter I have put my self in serious risk to help others on many occasions. We often break the rules and go that extra mile to help people we don't know and will probably never meet again.
My initial training involved 12 weeks basic training which I can honestly say was gruelling even for the ex-forces guys and was followed by 4 years station based training as a probationer before pasing final exams. In the fire service we are constantly training and retraining, it's just how it is.
Having worked on building sites prior to joining the fire service and having studied for 6 years to gain my CIOB qualifications I can tell you that working on a site is hard work but comes no-where near to 20 minutes or so you spend searching through a burning building in scorching heat trying to locate casualties. It's completely exhausting and pushes you to the absolute limit and is not a job for a 60 year old.
For you to call us 'drama queens' or 'greedy' is completely insulting. We are standing up for the pension that we have all been paying £350 + for each and very month of our careers and hopefully avoiding being sacked due to capability and losing our pensions.
Everything you write in this columns is utter rubbish, I really wish you didn't bother. Why don'y you concentrate more on issues that are more local to you.
Au revoir !
Sounds like you had another quite night at the station.must disappointing with the negative feed back your getting .sleep well
[quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tango Charlie[/bold] wrote: Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers! If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you![/p][/quote]When did you last do that drama queen? Get real your not the hero's you make out.only 10%of what you do was covered by your few weeks of training,try working on a building site until your 70 because the 5 year apprenticeship never involved the generous pension you lot get ,where is the building that requires a 200 ` ladder in Dorset ?[/p][/quote]Bonjour Kalebmoledirt, good to see you still have an opinion on everything and still don't take the time to do any research. Could you tell me exactly what your opinion is on the 'Heads of agreement for firefighter pensions' that the Government is imposing. I certainly hope you have read it in depth before you start calling us firefighters names ! Four years the FBU has been try to get the Government to sit down and have meaningful talks. For your information, during my 20 or so years as a full time firefighter I have put my self in serious risk to help others on many occasions. We often break the rules and go that extra mile to help people we don't know and will probably never meet again. My initial training involved 12 weeks basic training which I can honestly say was gruelling even for the ex-forces guys and was followed by 4 years station based training as a probationer before pasing final exams. In the fire service we are constantly training and retraining, it's just how it is. Having worked on building sites prior to joining the fire service and having studied for 6 years to gain my CIOB qualifications I can tell you that working on a site is hard work but comes no-where near to 20 minutes or so you spend searching through a burning building in scorching heat trying to locate casualties. It's completely exhausting and pushes you to the absolute limit and is not a job for a 60 year old. For you to call us 'drama queens' or 'greedy' is completely insulting. We are standing up for the pension that we have all been paying £350 + for each and very month of our careers and hopefully avoiding being sacked due to capability and losing our pensions. Everything you write in this columns is utter rubbish, I really wish you didn't bother. Why don'y you concentrate more on issues that are more local to you. Au revoir ![/p][/quote]Sounds like you had another quite night at the station.must disappointing with the negative feed back your getting .sleep well kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 11

9:15am Sun 4 May 14

brungo says...

60plus wrote:
Good luck to them,wish nurses could go on strike.
look at current echo jobs page & see nurse positions at great hourly rate. why would you like to strike exactly, when one could just change jobs? plenty of community care positions out there but of course, minimum wage, no canteen, no pension, no union & having to drive house to house under extreme pressure.
[quote][p][bold]60plus[/bold] wrote: Good luck to them,wish nurses could go on strike.[/p][/quote]look at current echo jobs page & see nurse positions at great hourly rate. why would you like to strike exactly, when one could just change jobs? plenty of community care positions out there but of course, minimum wage, no canteen, no pension, no union & having to drive house to house under extreme pressure. brungo
  • Score: 5

9:23am Sun 4 May 14

brungo says...

Tango Charlie wrote:
Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers!
If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you!
gosh, you obviously see yourself as super human & rather special but i'm afraid you're no different to anyone else in a changing world. i'm 53 but like so many others will now have to wait until i'm 68 before claiming any state pension. i dare say age criteria will increase again and/or state pension will be gone by then anyway so thank your lucky stars for what you have. if you feel you can't manage the job then just leave as there is plenty out there. you compare yourself to a soldier so just join up why don't you?
[quote][p][bold]Tango Charlie[/bold] wrote: Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers! If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you![/p][/quote]gosh, you obviously see yourself as super human & rather special but i'm afraid you're no different to anyone else in a changing world. i'm 53 but like so many others will now have to wait until i'm 68 before claiming any state pension. i dare say age criteria will increase again and/or state pension will be gone by then anyway so thank your lucky stars for what you have. if you feel you can't manage the job then just leave as there is plenty out there. you compare yourself to a soldier so just join up why don't you? brungo
  • Score: 9

11:00am Sun 4 May 14

burgerboy says...

Tango Charlie wrote:
Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers!
If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you!
Sounds like the old saying"I'm not very bright but I can lift heavy weights.......
[quote][p][bold]Tango Charlie[/bold] wrote: Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers! If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you![/p][/quote]Sounds like the old saying"I'm not very bright but I can lift heavy weights....... burgerboy
  • Score: 8

11:56am Sun 4 May 14

Peroni says...

What shame that this generation of Firefighters have become lower than a rats belly !!!
If you can't do the job when your older ,change.
But to hold the public at ransom is about as low as you can get.
What shame that this generation of Firefighters have become lower than a rats belly !!! If you can't do the job when your older ,change. But to hold the public at ransom is about as low as you can get. Peroni
  • Score: 4

10:10pm Sun 4 May 14

Not again !! says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Not again !! wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Tango Charlie wrote:
Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers!
If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you!
When did you last do that drama queen? Get real your not the hero's you make out.only 10%of what you do was covered by your few weeks of training,try working on a building site until your 70 because the 5 year apprenticeship never involved the generous pension you lot get ,where is the building that requires a 200 ` ladder in Dorset ?
Bonjour Kalebmoledirt, good to see you still have an opinion on everything and still don't take the time to do any research. Could you tell me exactly what your opinion is on the 'Heads of agreement for firefighter pensions' that the Government is imposing. I certainly hope you have read it in depth before you start calling us firefighters names ! Four years the FBU has been try to get the Government to sit down and have meaningful talks.
For your information, during my 20 or so years as a full time firefighter I have put my self in serious risk to help others on many occasions. We often break the rules and go that extra mile to help people we don't know and will probably never meet again.
My initial training involved 12 weeks basic training which I can honestly say was gruelling even for the ex-forces guys and was followed by 4 years station based training as a probationer before pasing final exams. In the fire service we are constantly training and retraining, it's just how it is.
Having worked on building sites prior to joining the fire service and having studied for 6 years to gain my CIOB qualifications I can tell you that working on a site is hard work but comes no-where near to 20 minutes or so you spend searching through a burning building in scorching heat trying to locate casualties. It's completely exhausting and pushes you to the absolute limit and is not a job for a 60 year old.
For you to call us 'drama queens' or 'greedy' is completely insulting. We are standing up for the pension that we have all been paying £350 + for each and very month of our careers and hopefully avoiding being sacked due to capability and losing our pensions.
Everything you write in this columns is utter rubbish, I really wish you didn't bother. Why don'y you concentrate more on issues that are more local to you.
Au revoir !
Sounds like you had another quite night at the station.must disappointing with the negative feed back your getting .sleep well
You really have nothing worthy of saying have you ? If you really think I am worried about any negative feed back from you and the rest of the 'have nots' on here then think again.
Maybe if I do sleep well on my night shift it must been down to all the fire safety work we do wish I'm sure you know nothing about.
By the way for those of you who are slagging of Tango Charlie, I think its most obvious to those of us with more than two brain cells that this person is not a firefighter and not pretending to be. Funny how you lot think that they are the stupid one !
Feel free to comment on that 'Heads of Agreement'proposal if it means so much to you !
Get pressing that thumbs down button you bunch of brainless trolls !!
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tango Charlie[/bold] wrote: Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers! If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you![/p][/quote]When did you last do that drama queen? Get real your not the hero's you make out.only 10%of what you do was covered by your few weeks of training,try working on a building site until your 70 because the 5 year apprenticeship never involved the generous pension you lot get ,where is the building that requires a 200 ` ladder in Dorset ?[/p][/quote]Bonjour Kalebmoledirt, good to see you still have an opinion on everything and still don't take the time to do any research. Could you tell me exactly what your opinion is on the 'Heads of agreement for firefighter pensions' that the Government is imposing. I certainly hope you have read it in depth before you start calling us firefighters names ! Four years the FBU has been try to get the Government to sit down and have meaningful talks. For your information, during my 20 or so years as a full time firefighter I have put my self in serious risk to help others on many occasions. We often break the rules and go that extra mile to help people we don't know and will probably never meet again. My initial training involved 12 weeks basic training which I can honestly say was gruelling even for the ex-forces guys and was followed by 4 years station based training as a probationer before pasing final exams. In the fire service we are constantly training and retraining, it's just how it is. Having worked on building sites prior to joining the fire service and having studied for 6 years to gain my CIOB qualifications I can tell you that working on a site is hard work but comes no-where near to 20 minutes or so you spend searching through a burning building in scorching heat trying to locate casualties. It's completely exhausting and pushes you to the absolute limit and is not a job for a 60 year old. For you to call us 'drama queens' or 'greedy' is completely insulting. We are standing up for the pension that we have all been paying £350 + for each and very month of our careers and hopefully avoiding being sacked due to capability and losing our pensions. Everything you write in this columns is utter rubbish, I really wish you didn't bother. Why don'y you concentrate more on issues that are more local to you. Au revoir ![/p][/quote]Sounds like you had another quite night at the station.must disappointing with the negative feed back your getting .sleep well[/p][/quote]You really have nothing worthy of saying have you ? If you really think I am worried about any negative feed back from you and the rest of the 'have nots' on here then think again. Maybe if I do sleep well on my night shift it must been down to all the fire safety work we do wish I'm sure you know nothing about. By the way for those of you who are slagging of Tango Charlie, I think its most obvious to those of us with more than two brain cells that this person is not a firefighter and not pretending to be. Funny how you lot think that they are the stupid one ! Feel free to comment on that 'Heads of Agreement'proposal if it means so much to you ! Get pressing that thumbs down button you bunch of brainless trolls !! Not again !!
  • Score: -2

7:53pm Mon 5 May 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Not again !! wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Not again !! wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Tango Charlie wrote:
Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers!
If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you!
When did you last do that drama queen? Get real your not the hero's you make out.only 10%of what you do was covered by your few weeks of training,try working on a building site until your 70 because the 5 year apprenticeship never involved the generous pension you lot get ,where is the building that requires a 200 ` ladder in Dorset ?
Bonjour Kalebmoledirt, good to see you still have an opinion on everything and still don't take the time to do any research. Could you tell me exactly what your opinion is on the 'Heads of agreement for firefighter pensions' that the Government is imposing. I certainly hope you have read it in depth before you start calling us firefighters names ! Four years the FBU has been try to get the Government to sit down and have meaningful talks.
For your information, during my 20 or so years as a full time firefighter I have put my self in serious risk to help others on many occasions. We often break the rules and go that extra mile to help people we don't know and will probably never meet again.
My initial training involved 12 weeks basic training which I can honestly say was gruelling even for the ex-forces guys and was followed by 4 years station based training as a probationer before pasing final exams. In the fire service we are constantly training and retraining, it's just how it is.
Having worked on building sites prior to joining the fire service and having studied for 6 years to gain my CIOB qualifications I can tell you that working on a site is hard work but comes no-where near to 20 minutes or so you spend searching through a burning building in scorching heat trying to locate casualties. It's completely exhausting and pushes you to the absolute limit and is not a job for a 60 year old.
For you to call us 'drama queens' or 'greedy' is completely insulting. We are standing up for the pension that we have all been paying £350 + for each and very month of our careers and hopefully avoiding being sacked due to capability and losing our pensions.
Everything you write in this columns is utter rubbish, I really wish you didn't bother. Why don'y you concentrate more on issues that are more local to you.
Au revoir !
Sounds like you had another quite night at the station.must disappointing with the negative feed back your getting .sleep well
You really have nothing worthy of saying have you ? If you really think I am worried about any negative feed back from you and the rest of the 'have nots' on here then think again.
Maybe if I do sleep well on my night shift it must been down to all the fire safety work we do wish I'm sure you know nothing about.
By the way for those of you who are slagging of Tango Charlie, I think its most obvious to those of us with more than two brain cells that this person is not a firefighter and not pretending to be. Funny how you lot think that they are the stupid one !
Feel free to comment on that 'Heads of Agreement'proposal if it means so much to you !
Get pressing that thumbs down button you bunch of brainless trolls !!
I seriously hope that such an hysterical old queen as you is never involved in anything other than a flatulence candle .Just as well your only a the daft pudding that failed the entrance exam.probably failed the open the envelope bit
[quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tango Charlie[/bold] wrote: Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers! If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you![/p][/quote]When did you last do that drama queen? Get real your not the hero's you make out.only 10%of what you do was covered by your few weeks of training,try working on a building site until your 70 because the 5 year apprenticeship never involved the generous pension you lot get ,where is the building that requires a 200 ` ladder in Dorset ?[/p][/quote]Bonjour Kalebmoledirt, good to see you still have an opinion on everything and still don't take the time to do any research. Could you tell me exactly what your opinion is on the 'Heads of agreement for firefighter pensions' that the Government is imposing. I certainly hope you have read it in depth before you start calling us firefighters names ! Four years the FBU has been try to get the Government to sit down and have meaningful talks. For your information, during my 20 or so years as a full time firefighter I have put my self in serious risk to help others on many occasions. We often break the rules and go that extra mile to help people we don't know and will probably never meet again. My initial training involved 12 weeks basic training which I can honestly say was gruelling even for the ex-forces guys and was followed by 4 years station based training as a probationer before pasing final exams. In the fire service we are constantly training and retraining, it's just how it is. Having worked on building sites prior to joining the fire service and having studied for 6 years to gain my CIOB qualifications I can tell you that working on a site is hard work but comes no-where near to 20 minutes or so you spend searching through a burning building in scorching heat trying to locate casualties. It's completely exhausting and pushes you to the absolute limit and is not a job for a 60 year old. For you to call us 'drama queens' or 'greedy' is completely insulting. We are standing up for the pension that we have all been paying £350 + for each and very month of our careers and hopefully avoiding being sacked due to capability and losing our pensions. Everything you write in this columns is utter rubbish, I really wish you didn't bother. Why don'y you concentrate more on issues that are more local to you. Au revoir ![/p][/quote]Sounds like you had another quite night at the station.must disappointing with the negative feed back your getting .sleep well[/p][/quote]You really have nothing worthy of saying have you ? If you really think I am worried about any negative feed back from you and the rest of the 'have nots' on here then think again. Maybe if I do sleep well on my night shift it must been down to all the fire safety work we do wish I'm sure you know nothing about. By the way for those of you who are slagging of Tango Charlie, I think its most obvious to those of us with more than two brain cells that this person is not a firefighter and not pretending to be. Funny how you lot think that they are the stupid one ! Feel free to comment on that 'Heads of Agreement'proposal if it means so much to you ! Get pressing that thumbs down button you bunch of brainless trolls !![/p][/quote]I seriously hope that such an hysterical old queen as you is never involved in anything other than a flatulence candle .Just as well your only a the daft pudding that failed the entrance exam.probably failed the open the envelope bit kalebmoledirt
  • Score: -1

10:09pm Mon 5 May 14

Not again !! says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Not again !! wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Not again !! wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Tango Charlie wrote:
Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers!
If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you!
When did you last do that drama queen? Get real your not the hero's you make out.only 10%of what you do was covered by your few weeks of training,try working on a building site until your 70 because the 5 year apprenticeship never involved the generous pension you lot get ,where is the building that requires a 200 ` ladder in Dorset ?
Bonjour Kalebmoledirt, good to see you still have an opinion on everything and still don't take the time to do any research. Could you tell me exactly what your opinion is on the 'Heads of agreement for firefighter pensions' that the Government is imposing. I certainly hope you have read it in depth before you start calling us firefighters names ! Four years the FBU has been try to get the Government to sit down and have meaningful talks.
For your information, during my 20 or so years as a full time firefighter I have put my self in serious risk to help others on many occasions. We often break the rules and go that extra mile to help people we don't know and will probably never meet again.
My initial training involved 12 weeks basic training which I can honestly say was gruelling even for the ex-forces guys and was followed by 4 years station based training as a probationer before pasing final exams. In the fire service we are constantly training and retraining, it's just how it is.
Having worked on building sites prior to joining the fire service and having studied for 6 years to gain my CIOB qualifications I can tell you that working on a site is hard work but comes no-where near to 20 minutes or so you spend searching through a burning building in scorching heat trying to locate casualties. It's completely exhausting and pushes you to the absolute limit and is not a job for a 60 year old.
For you to call us 'drama queens' or 'greedy' is completely insulting. We are standing up for the pension that we have all been paying £350 + for each and very month of our careers and hopefully avoiding being sacked due to capability and losing our pensions.
Everything you write in this columns is utter rubbish, I really wish you didn't bother. Why don'y you concentrate more on issues that are more local to you.
Au revoir !
Sounds like you had another quite night at the station.must disappointing with the negative feed back your getting .sleep well
You really have nothing worthy of saying have you ? If you really think I am worried about any negative feed back from you and the rest of the 'have nots' on here then think again.
Maybe if I do sleep well on my night shift it must been down to all the fire safety work we do wish I'm sure you know nothing about.
By the way for those of you who are slagging of Tango Charlie, I think its most obvious to those of us with more than two brain cells that this person is not a firefighter and not pretending to be. Funny how you lot think that they are the stupid one !
Feel free to comment on that 'Heads of Agreement'proposal if it means so much to you !
Get pressing that thumbs down button you bunch of brainless trolls !!
I seriously hope that such an hysterical old queen as you is never involved in anything other than a flatulence candle .Just as well your only a the daft pudding that failed the entrance exam.probably failed the open the envelope bit
You paint the picture of a very bitter, sad little man who spends all his time on here slagging people off.
Your comments are a complete waste of yours and everybody else's time and make no sense whatsoever !
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tango Charlie[/bold] wrote: Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers! If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you![/p][/quote]When did you last do that drama queen? Get real your not the hero's you make out.only 10%of what you do was covered by your few weeks of training,try working on a building site until your 70 because the 5 year apprenticeship never involved the generous pension you lot get ,where is the building that requires a 200 ` ladder in Dorset ?[/p][/quote]Bonjour Kalebmoledirt, good to see you still have an opinion on everything and still don't take the time to do any research. Could you tell me exactly what your opinion is on the 'Heads of agreement for firefighter pensions' that the Government is imposing. I certainly hope you have read it in depth before you start calling us firefighters names ! Four years the FBU has been try to get the Government to sit down and have meaningful talks. For your information, during my 20 or so years as a full time firefighter I have put my self in serious risk to help others on many occasions. We often break the rules and go that extra mile to help people we don't know and will probably never meet again. My initial training involved 12 weeks basic training which I can honestly say was gruelling even for the ex-forces guys and was followed by 4 years station based training as a probationer before pasing final exams. In the fire service we are constantly training and retraining, it's just how it is. Having worked on building sites prior to joining the fire service and having studied for 6 years to gain my CIOB qualifications I can tell you that working on a site is hard work but comes no-where near to 20 minutes or so you spend searching through a burning building in scorching heat trying to locate casualties. It's completely exhausting and pushes you to the absolute limit and is not a job for a 60 year old. For you to call us 'drama queens' or 'greedy' is completely insulting. We are standing up for the pension that we have all been paying £350 + for each and very month of our careers and hopefully avoiding being sacked due to capability and losing our pensions. Everything you write in this columns is utter rubbish, I really wish you didn't bother. Why don'y you concentrate more on issues that are more local to you. Au revoir ![/p][/quote]Sounds like you had another quite night at the station.must disappointing with the negative feed back your getting .sleep well[/p][/quote]You really have nothing worthy of saying have you ? If you really think I am worried about any negative feed back from you and the rest of the 'have nots' on here then think again. Maybe if I do sleep well on my night shift it must been down to all the fire safety work we do wish I'm sure you know nothing about. By the way for those of you who are slagging of Tango Charlie, I think its most obvious to those of us with more than two brain cells that this person is not a firefighter and not pretending to be. Funny how you lot think that they are the stupid one ! Feel free to comment on that 'Heads of Agreement'proposal if it means so much to you ! Get pressing that thumbs down button you bunch of brainless trolls !![/p][/quote]I seriously hope that such an hysterical old queen as you is never involved in anything other than a flatulence candle .Just as well your only a the daft pudding that failed the entrance exam.probably failed the open the envelope bit[/p][/quote]You paint the picture of a very bitter, sad little man who spends all his time on here slagging people off. Your comments are a complete waste of yours and everybody else's time and make no sense whatsoever ! Not again !!
  • Score: 0

7:14am Tue 6 May 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Not again !! wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Not again !! wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Not again !! wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Tango Charlie wrote:
Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers!
If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you!
When did you last do that drama queen? Get real your not the hero's you make out.only 10%of what you do was covered by your few weeks of training,try working on a building site until your 70 because the 5 year apprenticeship never involved the generous pension you lot get ,where is the building that requires a 200 ` ladder in Dorset ?
Bonjour Kalebmoledirt, good to see you still have an opinion on everything and still don't take the time to do any research. Could you tell me exactly what your opinion is on the 'Heads of agreement for firefighter pensions' that the Government is imposing. I certainly hope you have read it in depth before you start calling us firefighters names ! Four years the FBU has been try to get the Government to sit down and have meaningful talks.
For your information, during my 20 or so years as a full time firefighter I have put my self in serious risk to help others on many occasions. We often break the rules and go that extra mile to help people we don't know and will probably never meet again.
My initial training involved 12 weeks basic training which I can honestly say was gruelling even for the ex-forces guys and was followed by 4 years station based training as a probationer before pasing final exams. In the fire service we are constantly training and retraining, it's just how it is.
Having worked on building sites prior to joining the fire service and having studied for 6 years to gain my CIOB qualifications I can tell you that working on a site is hard work but comes no-where near to 20 minutes or so you spend searching through a burning building in scorching heat trying to locate casualties. It's completely exhausting and pushes you to the absolute limit and is not a job for a 60 year old.
For you to call us 'drama queens' or 'greedy' is completely insulting. We are standing up for the pension that we have all been paying £350 + for each and very month of our careers and hopefully avoiding being sacked due to capability and losing our pensions.
Everything you write in this columns is utter rubbish, I really wish you didn't bother. Why don'y you concentrate more on issues that are more local to you.
Au revoir !
Sounds like you had another quite night at the station.must disappointing with the negative feed back your getting .sleep well
You really have nothing worthy of saying have you ? If you really think I am worried about any negative feed back from you and the rest of the 'have nots' on here then think again.
Maybe if I do sleep well on my night shift it must been down to all the fire safety work we do wish I'm sure you know nothing about.
By the way for those of you who are slagging of Tango Charlie, I think its most obvious to those of us with more than two brain cells that this person is not a firefighter and not pretending to be. Funny how you lot think that they are the stupid one !
Feel free to comment on that 'Heads of Agreement'proposal if it means so much to you !
Get pressing that thumbs down button you bunch of brainless trolls !!
I seriously hope that such an hysterical old queen as you is never involved in anything other than a flatulence candle .Just as well your only a the daft pudding that failed the entrance exam.probably failed the open the envelope bit
You paint the picture of a very bitter, sad little man who spends all his time on here slagging people off.
Your comments are a complete waste of yours and everybody else's time and make no sense whatsoever !
I receive ,pensions from the NHS,,the British And., French Army,Old age pension.And have a private pension .A farm in France and a house in Wimborne.So not exactly sad,just some bloke that can spot a phoney wannabe fireman.that as time in between daytime Tele.And the,soaps to write about legislation that he has read about in FBU pamphlet .case closed looser
[quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tango Charlie[/bold] wrote: Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers! If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you![/p][/quote]When did you last do that drama queen? Get real your not the hero's you make out.only 10%of what you do was covered by your few weeks of training,try working on a building site until your 70 because the 5 year apprenticeship never involved the generous pension you lot get ,where is the building that requires a 200 ` ladder in Dorset ?[/p][/quote]Bonjour Kalebmoledirt, good to see you still have an opinion on everything and still don't take the time to do any research. Could you tell me exactly what your opinion is on the 'Heads of agreement for firefighter pensions' that the Government is imposing. I certainly hope you have read it in depth before you start calling us firefighters names ! Four years the FBU has been try to get the Government to sit down and have meaningful talks. For your information, during my 20 or so years as a full time firefighter I have put my self in serious risk to help others on many occasions. We often break the rules and go that extra mile to help people we don't know and will probably never meet again. My initial training involved 12 weeks basic training which I can honestly say was gruelling even for the ex-forces guys and was followed by 4 years station based training as a probationer before pasing final exams. In the fire service we are constantly training and retraining, it's just how it is. Having worked on building sites prior to joining the fire service and having studied for 6 years to gain my CIOB qualifications I can tell you that working on a site is hard work but comes no-where near to 20 minutes or so you spend searching through a burning building in scorching heat trying to locate casualties. It's completely exhausting and pushes you to the absolute limit and is not a job for a 60 year old. For you to call us 'drama queens' or 'greedy' is completely insulting. We are standing up for the pension that we have all been paying £350 + for each and very month of our careers and hopefully avoiding being sacked due to capability and losing our pensions. Everything you write in this columns is utter rubbish, I really wish you didn't bother. Why don'y you concentrate more on issues that are more local to you. Au revoir ![/p][/quote]Sounds like you had another quite night at the station.must disappointing with the negative feed back your getting .sleep well[/p][/quote]You really have nothing worthy of saying have you ? If you really think I am worried about any negative feed back from you and the rest of the 'have nots' on here then think again. Maybe if I do sleep well on my night shift it must been down to all the fire safety work we do wish I'm sure you know nothing about. By the way for those of you who are slagging of Tango Charlie, I think its most obvious to those of us with more than two brain cells that this person is not a firefighter and not pretending to be. Funny how you lot think that they are the stupid one ! Feel free to comment on that 'Heads of Agreement'proposal if it means so much to you ! Get pressing that thumbs down button you bunch of brainless trolls !![/p][/quote]I seriously hope that such an hysterical old queen as you is never involved in anything other than a flatulence candle .Just as well your only a the daft pudding that failed the entrance exam.probably failed the open the envelope bit[/p][/quote]You paint the picture of a very bitter, sad little man who spends all his time on here slagging people off. Your comments are a complete waste of yours and everybody else's time and make no sense whatsoever ![/p][/quote]I receive ,pensions from the NHS,,the British And., French Army,Old age pension.And have a private pension .A farm in France and a house in Wimborne.So not exactly sad,just some bloke that can spot a phoney wannabe fireman.that as time in between daytime Tele.And the,soaps to write about legislation that he has read about in FBU pamphlet .case closed looser kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 0

9:00am Tue 6 May 14

Not again !! says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Not again !! wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Not again !! wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Not again !! wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Tango Charlie wrote:
Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers!
If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you!
When did you last do that drama queen? Get real your not the hero's you make out.only 10%of what you do was covered by your few weeks of training,try working on a building site until your 70 because the 5 year apprenticeship never involved the generous pension you lot get ,where is the building that requires a 200 ` ladder in Dorset ?
Bonjour Kalebmoledirt, good to see you still have an opinion on everything and still don't take the time to do any research. Could you tell me exactly what your opinion is on the 'Heads of agreement for firefighter pensions' that the Government is imposing. I certainly hope you have read it in depth before you start calling us firefighters names ! Four years the FBU has been try to get the Government to sit down and have meaningful talks.
For your information, during my 20 or so years as a full time firefighter I have put my self in serious risk to help others on many occasions. We often break the rules and go that extra mile to help people we don't know and will probably never meet again.
My initial training involved 12 weeks basic training which I can honestly say was gruelling even for the ex-forces guys and was followed by 4 years station based training as a probationer before pasing final exams. In the fire service we are constantly training and retraining, it's just how it is.
Having worked on building sites prior to joining the fire service and having studied for 6 years to gain my CIOB qualifications I can tell you that working on a site is hard work but comes no-where near to 20 minutes or so you spend searching through a burning building in scorching heat trying to locate casualties. It's completely exhausting and pushes you to the absolute limit and is not a job for a 60 year old.
For you to call us 'drama queens' or 'greedy' is completely insulting. We are standing up for the pension that we have all been paying £350 + for each and very month of our careers and hopefully avoiding being sacked due to capability and losing our pensions.
Everything you write in this columns is utter rubbish, I really wish you didn't bother. Why don'y you concentrate more on issues that are more local to you.
Au revoir !
Sounds like you had another quite night at the station.must disappointing with the negative feed back your getting .sleep well
You really have nothing worthy of saying have you ? If you really think I am worried about any negative feed back from you and the rest of the 'have nots' on here then think again.
Maybe if I do sleep well on my night shift it must been down to all the fire safety work we do wish I'm sure you know nothing about.
By the way for those of you who are slagging of Tango Charlie, I think its most obvious to those of us with more than two brain cells that this person is not a firefighter and not pretending to be. Funny how you lot think that they are the stupid one !
Feel free to comment on that 'Heads of Agreement'proposal if it means so much to you !
Get pressing that thumbs down button you bunch of brainless trolls !!
I seriously hope that such an hysterical old queen as you is never involved in anything other than a flatulence candle .Just as well your only a the daft pudding that failed the entrance exam.probably failed the open the envelope bit
You paint the picture of a very bitter, sad little man who spends all his time on here slagging people off.
Your comments are a complete waste of yours and everybody else's time and make no sense whatsoever !
I receive ,pensions from the NHS,,the British And., French Army,Old age pension.And have a private pension .A farm in France and a house in Wimborne.So not exactly sad,just some bloke that can spot a phoney wannabe fireman.that as time in between daytime Tele.And the,soaps to write about legislation that he has read about in FBU pamphlet .case closed looser
Good to know that you are getting your pension and doing quite nicely with your second home. You might have a slightly different view should the Government one day decide to cut your pension in half like they are trying to do with us.
Please note how I try and construct a discussion and answer your questions, something you appear to be unable to do. You always return to making false claims 'wannabe firefighter'. I've been doing this job full time and helping people for over 20 years so please explain your 'wannabe' comment !
Trying to read between your broken writing I think you are trying to say that I sit around all day watching television and soaps which is another false assumption. The truth is that you appear to write rubbish on every article every day so I would suggest that you are the one trying to fill your sad, lonely days sat in France. I only ever comment when it concerns the fire service and our dispute. I do find time to read the comments now and again and never fail so see your nasty remarks on many of the articles.
The FBU pamphlet that you mention is actually produced by Government and is called 'Firefighters’ Pension Scheme: Heads of Agreement'. I have told you about it many times over the last 6 months or so and yet you still don't know what it is. It forms the whole basis for this dispute and you can't make any judgement unless you fully understand it. You have no idea of what it is about at all which is why you are so unable to construct an argument and have to resort to name calling and making wild accusations !
Finally, your 'case closed looser' comment is so funny as it says so much more about you than it ever could about me.
The only problem is, I'm not sure you will understand why !
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tango Charlie[/bold] wrote: Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers! If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you![/p][/quote]When did you last do that drama queen? Get real your not the hero's you make out.only 10%of what you do was covered by your few weeks of training,try working on a building site until your 70 because the 5 year apprenticeship never involved the generous pension you lot get ,where is the building that requires a 200 ` ladder in Dorset ?[/p][/quote]Bonjour Kalebmoledirt, good to see you still have an opinion on everything and still don't take the time to do any research. Could you tell me exactly what your opinion is on the 'Heads of agreement for firefighter pensions' that the Government is imposing. I certainly hope you have read it in depth before you start calling us firefighters names ! Four years the FBU has been try to get the Government to sit down and have meaningful talks. For your information, during my 20 or so years as a full time firefighter I have put my self in serious risk to help others on many occasions. We often break the rules and go that extra mile to help people we don't know and will probably never meet again. My initial training involved 12 weeks basic training which I can honestly say was gruelling even for the ex-forces guys and was followed by 4 years station based training as a probationer before pasing final exams. In the fire service we are constantly training and retraining, it's just how it is. Having worked on building sites prior to joining the fire service and having studied for 6 years to gain my CIOB qualifications I can tell you that working on a site is hard work but comes no-where near to 20 minutes or so you spend searching through a burning building in scorching heat trying to locate casualties. It's completely exhausting and pushes you to the absolute limit and is not a job for a 60 year old. For you to call us 'drama queens' or 'greedy' is completely insulting. We are standing up for the pension that we have all been paying £350 + for each and very month of our careers and hopefully avoiding being sacked due to capability and losing our pensions. Everything you write in this columns is utter rubbish, I really wish you didn't bother. Why don'y you concentrate more on issues that are more local to you. Au revoir ![/p][/quote]Sounds like you had another quite night at the station.must disappointing with the negative feed back your getting .sleep well[/p][/quote]You really have nothing worthy of saying have you ? If you really think I am worried about any negative feed back from you and the rest of the 'have nots' on here then think again. Maybe if I do sleep well on my night shift it must been down to all the fire safety work we do wish I'm sure you know nothing about. By the way for those of you who are slagging of Tango Charlie, I think its most obvious to those of us with more than two brain cells that this person is not a firefighter and not pretending to be. Funny how you lot think that they are the stupid one ! Feel free to comment on that 'Heads of Agreement'proposal if it means so much to you ! Get pressing that thumbs down button you bunch of brainless trolls !![/p][/quote]I seriously hope that such an hysterical old queen as you is never involved in anything other than a flatulence candle .Just as well your only a the daft pudding that failed the entrance exam.probably failed the open the envelope bit[/p][/quote]You paint the picture of a very bitter, sad little man who spends all his time on here slagging people off. Your comments are a complete waste of yours and everybody else's time and make no sense whatsoever ![/p][/quote]I receive ,pensions from the NHS,,the British And., French Army,Old age pension.And have a private pension .A farm in France and a house in Wimborne.So not exactly sad,just some bloke that can spot a phoney wannabe fireman.that as time in between daytime Tele.And the,soaps to write about legislation that he has read about in FBU pamphlet .case closed looser[/p][/quote]Good to know that you are getting your pension and doing quite nicely with your second home. You might have a slightly different view should the Government one day decide to cut your pension in half like they are trying to do with us. Please note how I try and construct a discussion and answer your questions, something you appear to be unable to do. You always return to making false claims 'wannabe firefighter'. I've been doing this job full time and helping people for over 20 years so please explain your 'wannabe' comment ! Trying to read between your broken writing I think you are trying to say that I sit around all day watching television and soaps which is another false assumption. The truth is that you appear to write rubbish on every article every day so I would suggest that you are the one trying to fill your sad, lonely days sat in France. I only ever comment when it concerns the fire service and our dispute. I do find time to read the comments now and again and never fail so see your nasty remarks on many of the articles. The FBU pamphlet that you mention is actually produced by Government and is called 'Firefighters’ Pension Scheme: Heads of Agreement'. I have told you about it many times over the last 6 months or so and yet you still don't know what it is. It forms the whole basis for this dispute and you can't make any judgement unless you fully understand it. You have no idea of what it is about at all which is why you are so unable to construct an argument and have to resort to name calling and making wild accusations ! Finally, your 'case closed looser' comment is so funny as it says so much more about you than it ever could about me. The only problem is, I'm not sure you will understand why ! Not again !!
  • Score: -1

9:29am Tue 6 May 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Not again !! wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Not again !! wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Not again !! wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Not again !! wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Tango Charlie wrote:
Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers!
If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you!
When did you last do that drama queen? Get real your not the hero's you make out.only 10%of what you do was covered by your few weeks of training,try working on a building site until your 70 because the 5 year apprenticeship never involved the generous pension you lot get ,where is the building that requires a 200 ` ladder in Dorset ?
Bonjour Kalebmoledirt, good to see you still have an opinion on everything and still don't take the time to do any research. Could you tell me exactly what your opinion is on the 'Heads of agreement for firefighter pensions' that the Government is imposing. I certainly hope you have read it in depth before you start calling us firefighters names ! Four years the FBU has been try to get the Government to sit down and have meaningful talks.
For your information, during my 20 or so years as a full time firefighter I have put my self in serious risk to help others on many occasions. We often break the rules and go that extra mile to help people we don't know and will probably never meet again.
My initial training involved 12 weeks basic training which I can honestly say was gruelling even for the ex-forces guys and was followed by 4 years station based training as a probationer before pasing final exams. In the fire service we are constantly training and retraining, it's just how it is.
Having worked on building sites prior to joining the fire service and having studied for 6 years to gain my CIOB qualifications I can tell you that working on a site is hard work but comes no-where near to 20 minutes or so you spend searching through a burning building in scorching heat trying to locate casualties. It's completely exhausting and pushes you to the absolute limit and is not a job for a 60 year old.
For you to call us 'drama queens' or 'greedy' is completely insulting. We are standing up for the pension that we have all been paying £350 + for each and very month of our careers and hopefully avoiding being sacked due to capability and losing our pensions.
Everything you write in this columns is utter rubbish, I really wish you didn't bother. Why don'y you concentrate more on issues that are more local to you.
Au revoir !
Sounds like you had another quite night at the station.must disappointing with the negative feed back your getting .sleep well
You really have nothing worthy of saying have you ? If you really think I am worried about any negative feed back from you and the rest of the 'have nots' on here then think again.
Maybe if I do sleep well on my night shift it must been down to all the fire safety work we do wish I'm sure you know nothing about.
By the way for those of you who are slagging of Tango Charlie, I think its most obvious to those of us with more than two brain cells that this person is not a firefighter and not pretending to be. Funny how you lot think that they are the stupid one !
Feel free to comment on that 'Heads of Agreement'proposal if it means so much to you !
Get pressing that thumbs down button you bunch of brainless trolls !!
I seriously hope that such an hysterical old queen as you is never involved in anything other than a flatulence candle .Just as well your only a the daft pudding that failed the entrance exam.probably failed the open the envelope bit
You paint the picture of a very bitter, sad little man who spends all his time on here slagging people off.
Your comments are a complete waste of yours and everybody else's time and make no sense whatsoever !
I receive ,pensions from the NHS,,the British And., French Army,Old age pension.And have a private pension .A farm in France and a house in Wimborne.So not exactly sad,just some bloke that can spot a phoney wannabe fireman.that as time in between daytime Tele.And the,soaps to write about legislation that he has read about in FBU pamphlet .case closed looser
Good to know that you are getting your pension and doing quite nicely with your second home. You might have a slightly different view should the Government one day decide to cut your pension in half like they are trying to do with us.
Please note how I try and construct a discussion and answer your questions, something you appear to be unable to do. You always return to making false claims 'wannabe firefighter'. I've been doing this job full time and helping people for over 20 years so please explain your 'wannabe' comment !
Trying to read between your broken writing I think you are trying to say that I sit around all day watching television and soaps which is another false assumption. The truth is that you appear to write rubbish on every article every day so I would suggest that you are the one trying to fill your sad, lonely days sat in France. I only ever comment when it concerns the fire service and our dispute. I do find time to read the comments now and again and never fail so see your nasty remarks on many of the articles.
The FBU pamphlet that you mention is actually produced by Government and is called 'Firefighters’ Pension Scheme: Heads of Agreement'. I have told you about it many times over the last 6 months or so and yet you still don't know what it is. It forms the whole basis for this dispute and you can't make any judgement unless you fully understand it. You have no idea of what it is about at all which is why you are so unable to construct an argument and have to resort to name calling and making wild accusations !
Finally, your 'case closed looser' comment is so funny as it says so much more about you than it ever could about me.
The only problem is, I'm not sure you will understand why !
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tango Charlie[/bold] wrote: Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers! If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you![/p][/quote]When did you last do that drama queen? Get real your not the hero's you make out.only 10%of what you do was covered by your few weeks of training,try working on a building site until your 70 because the 5 year apprenticeship never involved the generous pension you lot get ,where is the building that requires a 200 ` ladder in Dorset ?[/p][/quote]Bonjour Kalebmoledirt, good to see you still have an opinion on everything and still don't take the time to do any research. Could you tell me exactly what your opinion is on the 'Heads of agreement for firefighter pensions' that the Government is imposing. I certainly hope you have read it in depth before you start calling us firefighters names ! Four years the FBU has been try to get the Government to sit down and have meaningful talks. For your information, during my 20 or so years as a full time firefighter I have put my self in serious risk to help others on many occasions. We often break the rules and go that extra mile to help people we don't know and will probably never meet again. My initial training involved 12 weeks basic training which I can honestly say was gruelling even for the ex-forces guys and was followed by 4 years station based training as a probationer before pasing final exams. In the fire service we are constantly training and retraining, it's just how it is. Having worked on building sites prior to joining the fire service and having studied for 6 years to gain my CIOB qualifications I can tell you that working on a site is hard work but comes no-where near to 20 minutes or so you spend searching through a burning building in scorching heat trying to locate casualties. It's completely exhausting and pushes you to the absolute limit and is not a job for a 60 year old. For you to call us 'drama queens' or 'greedy' is completely insulting. We are standing up for the pension that we have all been paying £350 + for each and very month of our careers and hopefully avoiding being sacked due to capability and losing our pensions. Everything you write in this columns is utter rubbish, I really wish you didn't bother. Why don'y you concentrate more on issues that are more local to you. Au revoir ![/p][/quote]Sounds like you had another quite night at the station.must disappointing with the negative feed back your getting .sleep well[/p][/quote]You really have nothing worthy of saying have you ? If you really think I am worried about any negative feed back from you and the rest of the 'have nots' on here then think again. Maybe if I do sleep well on my night shift it must been down to all the fire safety work we do wish I'm sure you know nothing about. By the way for those of you who are slagging of Tango Charlie, I think its most obvious to those of us with more than two brain cells that this person is not a firefighter and not pretending to be. Funny how you lot think that they are the stupid one ! Feel free to comment on that 'Heads of Agreement'proposal if it means so much to you ! Get pressing that thumbs down button you bunch of brainless trolls !![/p][/quote]I seriously hope that such an hysterical old queen as you is never involved in anything other than a flatulence candle .Just as well your only a the daft pudding that failed the entrance exam.probably failed the open the envelope bit[/p][/quote]You paint the picture of a very bitter, sad little man who spends all his time on here slagging people off. Your comments are a complete waste of yours and everybody else's time and make no sense whatsoever ![/p][/quote]I receive ,pensions from the NHS,,the British And., French Army,Old age pension.And have a private pension .A farm in France and a house in Wimborne.So not exactly sad,just some bloke that can spot a phoney wannabe fireman.that as time in between daytime Tele.And the,soaps to write about legislation that he has read about in FBU pamphlet .case closed looser[/p][/quote]Good to know that you are getting your pension and doing quite nicely with your second home. You might have a slightly different view should the Government one day decide to cut your pension in half like they are trying to do with us. Please note how I try and construct a discussion and answer your questions, something you appear to be unable to do. You always return to making false claims 'wannabe firefighter'. I've been doing this job full time and helping people for over 20 years so please explain your 'wannabe' comment ! Trying to read between your broken writing I think you are trying to say that I sit around all day watching television and soaps which is another false assumption. The truth is that you appear to write rubbish on every article every day so I would suggest that you are the one trying to fill your sad, lonely days sat in France. I only ever comment when it concerns the fire service and our dispute. I do find time to read the comments now and again and never fail so see your nasty remarks on many of the articles. The FBU pamphlet that you mention is actually produced by Government and is called 'Firefighters’ Pension Scheme: Heads of Agreement'. I have told you about it many times over the last 6 months or so and yet you still don't know what it is. It forms the whole basis for this dispute and you can't make any judgement unless you fully understand it. You have no idea of what it is about at all which is why you are so unable to construct an argument and have to resort to name calling and making wild accusations ! Finally, your 'case closed looser' comment is so funny as it says so much more about you than it ever could about me. The only problem is, I'm not sure you will understand why ![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz kalebmoledirt
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10:10am Tue 6 May 14

TheDistrict says...

A two way argument detracting from the original story, typical of an Echo story. Let me bring your attention to the Armed Forces, who incidentaly have in the past carried out your duties whilst you stood a strike, I know from the 1977/78 strike. I can remember having to walk into a burning house, and sadly bring out two children who had lost their lives. Could they have been saved if the real fire service was in service, we will never know.

Anyway, servicemen and women, to which I was part of, have been in conflicts for many years losing their lives, and being maimed for life. Such conflicts as the Falklands, Iraq, Afghanistan and Northern Ireland. These wars/conflicts to place during my time. Those who were injured or maimed for life, had their service cut short, therefor entitled to a medical discharge lump sum, not a pension, and maybe if lucky a war pension, if the powers to be decides it is a war and not a conflict.

A serviceman or woman has to serve 22 years plus to receive a pension, and a pension which is based on ones final pay, therefore usually no where near what some get as a pension. The Armed Forces cannot strike for more pay, or an increase in pensions, or a decrease in their input. A strike could be construded as a mutiny, and subject to a long prison sentence.

The FBU should accept what they have, and be thankful for what they have. If they cant stand the heat (no pun intended) then get out. Something servicemen and women cannot do at a drop of a hat.
A two way argument detracting from the original story, typical of an Echo story. Let me bring your attention to the Armed Forces, who incidentaly have in the past carried out your duties whilst you stood a strike, I know from the 1977/78 strike. I can remember having to walk into a burning house, and sadly bring out two children who had lost their lives. Could they have been saved if the real fire service was in service, we will never know. Anyway, servicemen and women, to which I was part of, have been in conflicts for many years losing their lives, and being maimed for life. Such conflicts as the Falklands, Iraq, Afghanistan and Northern Ireland. These wars/conflicts to place during my time. Those who were injured or maimed for life, had their service cut short, therefor entitled to a medical discharge lump sum, not a pension, and maybe if lucky a war pension, if the powers to be decides it is a war and not a conflict. A serviceman or woman has to serve 22 years plus to receive a pension, and a pension which is based on ones final pay, therefore usually no where near what some get as a pension. The Armed Forces cannot strike for more pay, or an increase in pensions, or a decrease in their input. A strike could be construded as a mutiny, and subject to a long prison sentence. The FBU should accept what they have, and be thankful for what they have. If they cant stand the heat (no pun intended) then get out. Something servicemen and women cannot do at a drop of a hat. TheDistrict
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11:26am Tue 6 May 14

Not again !! says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Not again !! wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Not again !! wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Not again !! wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Not again !! wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Tango Charlie wrote:
Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers!
If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you!
When did you last do that drama queen? Get real your not the hero's you make out.only 10%of what you do was covered by your few weeks of training,try working on a building site until your 70 because the 5 year apprenticeship never involved the generous pension you lot get ,where is the building that requires a 200 ` ladder in Dorset ?
Bonjour Kalebmoledirt, good to see you still have an opinion on everything and still don't take the time to do any research. Could you tell me exactly what your opinion is on the 'Heads of agreement for firefighter pensions' that the Government is imposing. I certainly hope you have read it in depth before you start calling us firefighters names ! Four years the FBU has been try to get the Government to sit down and have meaningful talks.
For your information, during my 20 or so years as a full time firefighter I have put my self in serious risk to help others on many occasions. We often break the rules and go that extra mile to help people we don't know and will probably never meet again.
My initial training involved 12 weeks basic training which I can honestly say was gruelling even for the ex-forces guys and was followed by 4 years station based training as a probationer before pasing final exams. In the fire service we are constantly training and retraining, it's just how it is.
Having worked on building sites prior to joining the fire service and having studied for 6 years to gain my CIOB qualifications I can tell you that working on a site is hard work but comes no-where near to 20 minutes or so you spend searching through a burning building in scorching heat trying to locate casualties. It's completely exhausting and pushes you to the absolute limit and is not a job for a 60 year old.
For you to call us 'drama queens' or 'greedy' is completely insulting. We are standing up for the pension that we have all been paying £350 + for each and very month of our careers and hopefully avoiding being sacked due to capability and losing our pensions.
Everything you write in this columns is utter rubbish, I really wish you didn't bother. Why don'y you concentrate more on issues that are more local to you.
Au revoir !
Sounds like you had another quite night at the station.must disappointing with the negative feed back your getting .sleep well
You really have nothing worthy of saying have you ? If you really think I am worried about any negative feed back from you and the rest of the 'have nots' on here then think again.
Maybe if I do sleep well on my night shift it must been down to all the fire safety work we do wish I'm sure you know nothing about.
By the way for those of you who are slagging of Tango Charlie, I think its most obvious to those of us with more than two brain cells that this person is not a firefighter and not pretending to be. Funny how you lot think that they are the stupid one !
Feel free to comment on that 'Heads of Agreement'proposal if it means so much to you !
Get pressing that thumbs down button you bunch of brainless trolls !!
I seriously hope that such an hysterical old queen as you is never involved in anything other than a flatulence candle .Just as well your only a the daft pudding that failed the entrance exam.probably failed the open the envelope bit
You paint the picture of a very bitter, sad little man who spends all his time on here slagging people off.
Your comments are a complete waste of yours and everybody else's time and make no sense whatsoever !
I receive ,pensions from the NHS,,the British And., French Army,Old age pension.And have a private pension .A farm in France and a house in Wimborne.So not exactly sad,just some bloke that can spot a phoney wannabe fireman.that as time in between daytime Tele.And the,soaps to write about legislation that he has read about in FBU pamphlet .case closed looser
Good to know that you are getting your pension and doing quite nicely with your second home. You might have a slightly different view should the Government one day decide to cut your pension in half like they are trying to do with us.
Please note how I try and construct a discussion and answer your questions, something you appear to be unable to do. You always return to making false claims 'wannabe firefighter'. I've been doing this job full time and helping people for over 20 years so please explain your 'wannabe' comment !
Trying to read between your broken writing I think you are trying to say that I sit around all day watching television and soaps which is another false assumption. The truth is that you appear to write rubbish on every article every day so I would suggest that you are the one trying to fill your sad, lonely days sat in France. I only ever comment when it concerns the fire service and our dispute. I do find time to read the comments now and again and never fail so see your nasty remarks on many of the articles.
The FBU pamphlet that you mention is actually produced by Government and is called 'Firefighters’ Pension Scheme: Heads of Agreement'. I have told you about it many times over the last 6 months or so and yet you still don't know what it is. It forms the whole basis for this dispute and you can't make any judgement unless you fully understand it. You have no idea of what it is about at all which is why you are so unable to construct an argument and have to resort to name calling and making wild accusations !
Finally, your 'case closed looser' comment is so funny as it says so much more about you than it ever could about me.
The only problem is, I'm not sure you will understand why !
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Exactly what I would expect from you.
Another pointless comment although it is one of your more constructive ones !
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tango Charlie[/bold] wrote: Greed? They want what was promised on sign up. Like our soldiers! If you can do it better then please do. Put on a 30lbs thermal suit and 30 lbs of oxygen and climb a 200 ft ladder. Go through a smoke filled room and climb down with a 75 Kg body over your shoulder, Go on a DARE you![/p][/quote]When did you last do that drama queen? Get real your not the hero's you make out.only 10%of what you do was covered by your few weeks of training,try working on a building site until your 70 because the 5 year apprenticeship never involved the generous pension you lot get ,where is the building that requires a 200 ` ladder in Dorset ?[/p][/quote]Bonjour Kalebmoledirt, good to see you still have an opinion on everything and still don't take the time to do any research. Could you tell me exactly what your opinion is on the 'Heads of agreement for firefighter pensions' that the Government is imposing. I certainly hope you have read it in depth before you start calling us firefighters names ! Four years the FBU has been try to get the Government to sit down and have meaningful talks. For your information, during my 20 or so years as a full time firefighter I have put my self in serious risk to help others on many occasions. We often break the rules and go that extra mile to help people we don't know and will probably never meet again. My initial training involved 12 weeks basic training which I can honestly say was gruelling even for the ex-forces guys and was followed by 4 years station based training as a probationer before pasing final exams. In the fire service we are constantly training and retraining, it's just how it is. Having worked on building sites prior to joining the fire service and having studied for 6 years to gain my CIOB qualifications I can tell you that working on a site is hard work but comes no-where near to 20 minutes or so you spend searching through a burning building in scorching heat trying to locate casualties. It's completely exhausting and pushes you to the absolute limit and is not a job for a 60 year old. For you to call us 'drama queens' or 'greedy' is completely insulting. We are standing up for the pension that we have all been paying £350 + for each and very month of our careers and hopefully avoiding being sacked due to capability and losing our pensions. Everything you write in this columns is utter rubbish, I really wish you didn't bother. Why don'y you concentrate more on issues that are more local to you. Au revoir ![/p][/quote]Sounds like you had another quite night at the station.must disappointing with the negative feed back your getting .sleep well[/p][/quote]You really have nothing worthy of saying have you ? If you really think I am worried about any negative feed back from you and the rest of the 'have nots' on here then think again. Maybe if I do sleep well on my night shift it must been down to all the fire safety work we do wish I'm sure you know nothing about. By the way for those of you who are slagging of Tango Charlie, I think its most obvious to those of us with more than two brain cells that this person is not a firefighter and not pretending to be. Funny how you lot think that they are the stupid one ! Feel free to comment on that 'Heads of Agreement'proposal if it means so much to you ! Get pressing that thumbs down button you bunch of brainless trolls !![/p][/quote]I seriously hope that such an hysterical old queen as you is never involved in anything other than a flatulence candle .Just as well your only a the daft pudding that failed the entrance exam.probably failed the open the envelope bit[/p][/quote]You paint the picture of a very bitter, sad little man who spends all his time on here slagging people off. Your comments are a complete waste of yours and everybody else's time and make no sense whatsoever ![/p][/quote]I receive ,pensions from the NHS,,the British And., French Army,Old age pension.And have a private pension .A farm in France and a house in Wimborne.So not exactly sad,just some bloke that can spot a phoney wannabe fireman.that as time in between daytime Tele.And the,soaps to write about legislation that he has read about in FBU pamphlet .case closed looser[/p][/quote]Good to know that you are getting your pension and doing quite nicely with your second home. You might have a slightly different view should the Government one day decide to cut your pension in half like they are trying to do with us. Please note how I try and construct a discussion and answer your questions, something you appear to be unable to do. You always return to making false claims 'wannabe firefighter'. I've been doing this job full time and helping people for over 20 years so please explain your 'wannabe' comment ! Trying to read between your broken writing I think you are trying to say that I sit around all day watching television and soaps which is another false assumption. The truth is that you appear to write rubbish on every article every day so I would suggest that you are the one trying to fill your sad, lonely days sat in France. I only ever comment when it concerns the fire service and our dispute. I do find time to read the comments now and again and never fail so see your nasty remarks on many of the articles. The FBU pamphlet that you mention is actually produced by Government and is called 'Firefighters’ Pension Scheme: Heads of Agreement'. I have told you about it many times over the last 6 months or so and yet you still don't know what it is. It forms the whole basis for this dispute and you can't make any judgement unless you fully understand it. You have no idea of what it is about at all which is why you are so unable to construct an argument and have to resort to name calling and making wild accusations ! Finally, your 'case closed looser' comment is so funny as it says so much more about you than it ever could about me. The only problem is, I'm not sure you will understand why ![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz[/p][/quote]Exactly what I would expect from you. Another pointless comment although it is one of your more constructive ones ! Not again !!
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12:00pm Tue 6 May 14

Not again !! says...

TheDistrict wrote:
A two way argument detracting from the original story, typical of an Echo story. Let me bring your attention to the Armed Forces, who incidentaly have in the past carried out your duties whilst you stood a strike, I know from the 1977/78 strike. I can remember having to walk into a burning house, and sadly bring out two children who had lost their lives. Could they have been saved if the real fire service was in service, we will never know.

Anyway, servicemen and women, to which I was part of, have been in conflicts for many years losing their lives, and being maimed for life. Such conflicts as the Falklands, Iraq, Afghanistan and Northern Ireland. These wars/conflicts to place during my time. Those who were injured or maimed for life, had their service cut short, therefor entitled to a medical discharge lump sum, not a pension, and maybe if lucky a war pension, if the powers to be decides it is a war and not a conflict.

A serviceman or woman has to serve 22 years plus to receive a pension, and a pension which is based on ones final pay, therefore usually no where near what some get as a pension. The Armed Forces cannot strike for more pay, or an increase in pensions, or a decrease in their input. A strike could be construded as a mutiny, and subject to a long prison sentence.

The FBU should accept what they have, and be thankful for what they have. If they cant stand the heat (no pun intended) then get out. Something servicemen and women cannot do at a drop of a hat.
At least you put a constructive argument together and back it up with your experience so fair play.
What I would say in answer to you is that I have the utmost respect for our servicemen/women and regret that any have had to take our place during a strike. The last thing any firefighter wants to see is people getting hurt so making a decision to walk through the doors is ever an easy one.
As I am sure you are aware many firefighters are made up from those who are ex forces, so we do hear both sides of the story. Out of my watch of 7,,4 are from the forces and they are all striking. The thing is, just because you don't get the treatment you deserve elsewhere doesn't mean that we should all end up with nothing. This is not 'a race to the bottom'.
You have taken the attitude that government wants you to take and now you and many others are infighting with the rest of us over the' crumbs on the table'. You should be really saying that our armed forces deserve better and fighting for that as many have done already !
The bottom line is that when I joined the fire service over 20 years ago I knew that I would get a pension after 30 years of service. For this pension I pay £347.69 every month and it forever appears to be going up. I think you will find this is a lot more than many in the armed forces. Many of my colleagues pay more and have been paying for a longer time.
Now the government are insisting that we work until 60 (which is far too old to be fighting fires, trust me ) and if we don't make it to 60 our pension is vastly reduced ( up to half ) and we wont see any of it until 67 as things currently stand.
You tell me,,,,Is that Fair ?
All we want is to know that we won't be sacked on grounds of capability and lose our pensions.
Also your comment 'if you can't stand the heat then get out' lacks respect and plays straight into the hands of government spin. We all know it's not that simple.
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: A two way argument detracting from the original story, typical of an Echo story. Let me bring your attention to the Armed Forces, who incidentaly have in the past carried out your duties whilst you stood a strike, I know from the 1977/78 strike. I can remember having to walk into a burning house, and sadly bring out two children who had lost their lives. Could they have been saved if the real fire service was in service, we will never know. Anyway, servicemen and women, to which I was part of, have been in conflicts for many years losing their lives, and being maimed for life. Such conflicts as the Falklands, Iraq, Afghanistan and Northern Ireland. These wars/conflicts to place during my time. Those who were injured or maimed for life, had their service cut short, therefor entitled to a medical discharge lump sum, not a pension, and maybe if lucky a war pension, if the powers to be decides it is a war and not a conflict. A serviceman or woman has to serve 22 years plus to receive a pension, and a pension which is based on ones final pay, therefore usually no where near what some get as a pension. The Armed Forces cannot strike for more pay, or an increase in pensions, or a decrease in their input. A strike could be construded as a mutiny, and subject to a long prison sentence. The FBU should accept what they have, and be thankful for what they have. If they cant stand the heat (no pun intended) then get out. Something servicemen and women cannot do at a drop of a hat.[/p][/quote]At least you put a constructive argument together and back it up with your experience so fair play. What I would say in answer to you is that I have the utmost respect for our servicemen/women and regret that any have had to take our place during a strike. The last thing any firefighter wants to see is people getting hurt so making a decision to walk through the doors is ever an easy one. As I am sure you are aware many firefighters are made up from those who are ex forces, so we do hear both sides of the story. Out of my watch of 7,,4 are from the forces and they are all striking. The thing is, just because you don't get the treatment you deserve elsewhere doesn't mean that we should all end up with nothing. This is not 'a race to the bottom'. You have taken the attitude that government wants you to take and now you and many others are infighting with the rest of us over the' crumbs on the table'. You should be really saying that our armed forces deserve better and fighting for that as many have done already ! The bottom line is that when I joined the fire service over 20 years ago I knew that I would get a pension after 30 years of service. For this pension I pay £347.69 every month and it forever appears to be going up. I think you will find this is a lot more than many in the armed forces. Many of my colleagues pay more and have been paying for a longer time. Now the government are insisting that we work until 60 (which is far too old to be fighting fires, trust me ) and if we don't make it to 60 our pension is vastly reduced ( up to half ) and we wont see any of it until 67 as things currently stand. You tell me,,,,Is that Fair ? All we want is to know that we won't be sacked on grounds of capability and lose our pensions. Also your comment 'if you can't stand the heat then get out' lacks respect and plays straight into the hands of government spin. We all know it's not that simple. Not again !!
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