Former council leaders shocked over Cyril Smith sex abuse allegations

Former council leaders shocked over Cyril Smith sex abuse allegations

Former council leaders shocked over Cyril Smith sex abuse allegations

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TWO former council leaders have voiced their shock at the mounting allegations that veteran MP Sir Cyril Smith was a serial abuser of young boys.

Former Bournemouth council leader Douglas Eyre was originally from Rochdale, the town Smith represented for 20 years as an MP.

In 1982, the MP was guest of honour at Boscombe for a performance of the farce The Unvarnished Truth by All Saints Dramatic Society, of which Mr Eyre was chairman.

Liberal Democrat Mr Eyre, below right, whose family moved from Rochdale when he was 11, said he was “sad and angry” at the news about Smith.

“I met Cyril on a number of occasions. I must admit he was someone who I had great regard for, mainly because of his very plain speaking, which set him out among not only Liberal politicians but also politicians generally,” he said.

“I can only say I’m really shattered and saddened.”

He added: “He always seemed to me to be straight talking and I suppose a liberal but caring sort of bloke.

“It’s a great shock to me about all this.”

Former Poole council leader Brian Clements, below right, was the Liberal Party’s prospective parliamentary candidate for Poole when Smith visited Hamworthy Liberal Club in 1981 and pulled the first pint following a refurbishment.

Cllr Clements said of the allegations: “It was a complete surprise to me. Cyril was an unusual character, for his size as much as anything, but I certainly wasn’t aware of anything linked to the current allegations.

“My main memory would be of the fact that he was always very outspoken and said what he thought when we were at conference, sometimes quite controversially and not always following the party leadership.”

Greater Manchester Police said on Monday that they would investigate claims of a cover-up of widespread sexual abuse at Knowl View School in Rochdale, where Smith was a governor.

The town’s current MP, Labour’s Simon Danczuk, claims the 29-stone politician was left free to abuse children as young as eight despite 144 complaints by victims.

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6:49am Thu 1 May 14

alasdair1967 says...

How people where shocked when the saville allegations came out ,people where the same then trying to defend the un defendable until the extent of his abuse became more apparent,yet another person who has used his position of trust to abuse the innocent
How people where shocked when the saville allegations came out ,people where the same then trying to defend the un defendable until the extent of his abuse became more apparent,yet another person who has used his position of trust to abuse the innocent alasdair1967
  • Score: 12

6:58am Thu 1 May 14

muscliffman says...

It seems an awful lot of people in very high places not only at the time but even today knew a lot more about this vile man than they are admitting. It does bring a new and very unpleasant meaning to the word 'liberal'.
It seems an awful lot of people in very high places not only at the time but even today knew a lot more about this vile man than they are admitting. It does bring a new and very unpleasant meaning to the word 'liberal'. muscliffman
  • Score: 13

7:06am Thu 1 May 14

alasdair1967 says...

muscliffman wrote:
It seems an awful lot of people in very high places not only at the time but even today knew a lot more about this vile man than they are admitting. It does bring a new and very unpleasant meaning to the word 'liberal'.
That's the sickening thing people in authority knew ,but did nothing
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: It seems an awful lot of people in very high places not only at the time but even today knew a lot more about this vile man than they are admitting. It does bring a new and very unpleasant meaning to the word 'liberal'.[/p][/quote]That's the sickening thing people in authority knew ,but did nothing alasdair1967
  • Score: 11

7:10am Thu 1 May 14

abc100 says...

alasdair1967 wrote:
How people where shocked when the saville allegations came out ,people where the same then trying to defend the un defendable until the extent of his abuse became more apparent,yet another person who has used his position of trust to abuse the innocent
Very few were surprised by Saville, the extent of it yes, but shocked no, the people that knew him well and those close to him were hardly going to come out and say that they always knew what was going on or suspected what he was up to
[quote][p][bold]alasdair1967[/bold] wrote: How people where shocked when the saville allegations came out ,people where the same then trying to defend the un defendable until the extent of his abuse became more apparent,yet another person who has used his position of trust to abuse the innocent[/p][/quote]Very few were surprised by Saville, the extent of it yes, but shocked no, the people that knew him well and those close to him were hardly going to come out and say that they always knew what was going on or suspected what he was up to abc100
  • Score: 7

7:27am Thu 1 May 14

jill M says...

There have been rumours circulating about this man for decades- too many people in high positions turning a blind eye, and ignoring the plight of many poor children. What the children go through affects them for the rest of their lives. There are undoubtedly more people , dead or alive, who will eventually be revealed as child molesters, who are in the world of politics, or show business, a few more names have been bandied about over the years.
There have been rumours circulating about this man for decades- too many people in high positions turning a blind eye, and ignoring the plight of many poor children. What the children go through affects them for the rest of their lives. There are undoubtedly more people , dead or alive, who will eventually be revealed as child molesters, who are in the world of politics, or show business, a few more names have been bandied about over the years. jill M
  • Score: 9

8:09am Thu 1 May 14

Baysider says...

abc100 wrote:
alasdair1967 wrote:
How people where shocked when the saville allegations came out ,people where the same then trying to defend the un defendable until the extent of his abuse became more apparent,yet another person who has used his position of trust to abuse the innocent
Very few were surprised by Saville, the extent of it yes, but shocked no, the people that knew him well and those close to him were hardly going to come out and say that they always knew what was going on or suspected what he was up to
Dearest Maggie would have been surprised though. She had Savile over for Christmas lunch how many years in a row was it? Then again more than one person close to her cabinet has been exposed as having such disgusting proclivities and probably more to come.

But what a strange story to run though. It's almost as if it's been planted to distance the Lib Dems from Smiths activities in a run up to an election or something...can we expect the same from the other parties?
[quote][p][bold]abc100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alasdair1967[/bold] wrote: How people where shocked when the saville allegations came out ,people where the same then trying to defend the un defendable until the extent of his abuse became more apparent,yet another person who has used his position of trust to abuse the innocent[/p][/quote]Very few were surprised by Saville, the extent of it yes, but shocked no, the people that knew him well and those close to him were hardly going to come out and say that they always knew what was going on or suspected what he was up to[/p][/quote]Dearest Maggie would have been surprised though. She had Savile over for Christmas lunch how many years in a row was it? Then again more than one person close to her cabinet has been exposed as having such disgusting proclivities and probably more to come. But what a strange story to run though. It's almost as if it's been planted to distance the Lib Dems from Smiths activities in a run up to an election or something...can we expect the same from the other parties? Baysider
  • Score: -5

8:43am Thu 1 May 14

whataboutthat says...

Smith the kiddy-fxxker is ancient history - didn't Eyre ever read Private Eye back in the 1970s (gulp) or the Rochdale Free Press? What did Jeremy Thorpe know - fnarr fnarr. Then there is Mr Steel, Lord Steel, who still thinks he smells of roses whenever Smith is mentioned as a molester. C'mon, puhleaze...
Smith the kiddy-fxxker is ancient history - didn't Eyre ever read Private Eye back in the 1970s (gulp) or the Rochdale Free Press? What did Jeremy Thorpe know - fnarr fnarr. Then there is Mr Steel, Lord Steel, who still thinks he smells of roses whenever Smith is mentioned as a molester. C'mon, puhleaze... whataboutthat
  • Score: 11

9:04am Thu 1 May 14

Franks Tank says...

Former Bournemouth council leader Douglas Eyre shocked twice in one week
First it's cycling in his square and now his old chum turns out to be a fiddler.

Blimey Doug, retirement just got interesting.
Former Bournemouth council leader Douglas Eyre shocked twice in one week First it's cycling in his square and now his old chum turns out to be a fiddler. Blimey Doug, retirement just got interesting. Franks Tank
  • Score: -2

9:06am Thu 1 May 14

twynham says...

For all of those Liberal politicians who are now "surprised", which piece of sand were you burying your head in when these were published?

http://www.private-e
ye.co.uk/archive.php
?issue=1364
For all of those Liberal politicians who are now "surprised", which piece of sand were you burying your head in when these were published? http://www.private-e ye.co.uk/archive.php ?issue=1364 twynham
  • Score: 8

9:39am Thu 1 May 14

Trifecta says...

Baysider makes an interesting point but I feel that you are looking at this from the wrong end of the telescope. Firstly the Echo reminded the local electorate of the disaster that was the brief tenure of the Lib Dems and now they are pointing out the link between them and another paedophile cover up. It would be nice to see some analysis of UKIP in a similar style.
Baysider makes an interesting point but I feel that you are looking at this from the wrong end of the telescope. Firstly the Echo reminded the local electorate of the disaster that was the brief tenure of the Lib Dems and now they are pointing out the link between them and another paedophile cover up. It would be nice to see some analysis of UKIP in a similar style. Trifecta
  • Score: -12

11:14am Thu 1 May 14

Tony Trent says...

Baysider wrote:
abc100 wrote:
alasdair1967 wrote:
How people where shocked when the saville allegations came out ,people where the same then trying to defend the un defendable until the extent of his abuse became more apparent,yet another person who has used his position of trust to abuse the innocent
Very few were surprised by Saville, the extent of it yes, but shocked no, the people that knew him well and those close to him were hardly going to come out and say that they always knew what was going on or suspected what he was up to
Dearest Maggie would have been surprised though. She had Savile over for Christmas lunch how many years in a row was it? Then again more than one person close to her cabinet has been exposed as having such disgusting proclivities and probably more to come.

But what a strange story to run though. It's almost as if it's been planted to distance the Lib Dems from Smiths activities in a run up to an election or something...can we expect the same from the other parties?
Considering that the Lib Dems didn't exist until 1989 it's funny that the media link the story anyway. Cyril Smith was a Labour Councillor and Mayor during the early 1960s, became a Liberal MP in 1972, and Liberal Alliance in 83 & 87 until his retirement in 1992. What it does point up is that larger than life characters and "national treasures" are just as likely to have a dark side than the strange loner, and that accusations need to be investigated properly at the time and not dismissed. I wonder how many other respected people from the past took their dark side to the grave and were never exposed. The other thing missed in all of the coverage is that most abuse comes from close family members.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abc100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alasdair1967[/bold] wrote: How people where shocked when the saville allegations came out ,people where the same then trying to defend the un defendable until the extent of his abuse became more apparent,yet another person who has used his position of trust to abuse the innocent[/p][/quote]Very few were surprised by Saville, the extent of it yes, but shocked no, the people that knew him well and those close to him were hardly going to come out and say that they always knew what was going on or suspected what he was up to[/p][/quote]Dearest Maggie would have been surprised though. She had Savile over for Christmas lunch how many years in a row was it? Then again more than one person close to her cabinet has been exposed as having such disgusting proclivities and probably more to come. But what a strange story to run though. It's almost as if it's been planted to distance the Lib Dems from Smiths activities in a run up to an election or something...can we expect the same from the other parties?[/p][/quote]Considering that the Lib Dems didn't exist until 1989 it's funny that the media link the story anyway. Cyril Smith was a Labour Councillor and Mayor during the early 1960s, became a Liberal MP in 1972, and Liberal Alliance in 83 & 87 until his retirement in 1992. What it does point up is that larger than life characters and "national treasures" are just as likely to have a dark side than the strange loner, and that accusations need to be investigated properly at the time and not dismissed. I wonder how many other respected people from the past took their dark side to the grave and were never exposed. The other thing missed in all of the coverage is that most abuse comes from close family members. Tony Trent
  • Score: -6

12:01pm Thu 1 May 14

muscliffman says...

Trifecta wrote:
Baysider makes an interesting point but I feel that you are looking at this from the wrong end of the telescope. Firstly the Echo reminded the local electorate of the disaster that was the brief tenure of the Lib Dems and now they are pointing out the link between them and another paedophile cover up. It would be nice to see some analysis of UKIP in a similar style.
Goodness, are you not following the national media. The popular but 'old establishment' controlled papers and TV broadcasters are coming up with daily anti-UKIP articles and dodgy reader forum content to the point that it has not only become hilarious it is also seriously backfiring in UKIP's favour. Like them or not UKIP are now terrifying the same traditional privileged corridors of power that enabled vile Smith and his like (from all three main Parties.....big Labour name pending apparently) to systemically abuse their positions - and that at least has to be good news for us all.

It also very grim to hear any Lib-Dems (as above) trying to wriggle out of their absolutely direct association with Smith on the basis that he was an old 'Liberal' (not 'Lib-Dem') at the time of his alleged offences. As it happens many of the 'UKIP' people being 'exposed' for their un-PC opinions lately were serving in public office years ago for a different but completely unrelated political Party (to date, usually Tory) when they said what is now being highlighted.

No such thing as bad publicity so the more muck being slung at UKIP, the better the roses they seem to be growing......
[quote][p][bold]Trifecta[/bold] wrote: Baysider makes an interesting point but I feel that you are looking at this from the wrong end of the telescope. Firstly the Echo reminded the local electorate of the disaster that was the brief tenure of the Lib Dems and now they are pointing out the link between them and another paedophile cover up. It would be nice to see some analysis of UKIP in a similar style.[/p][/quote]Goodness, are you not following the national media. The popular but 'old establishment' controlled papers and TV broadcasters are coming up with daily anti-UKIP articles and dodgy reader forum content to the point that it has not only become hilarious it is also seriously backfiring in UKIP's favour. Like them or not UKIP are now terrifying the same traditional privileged corridors of power that enabled vile Smith and his like (from all three main Parties.....big Labour name pending apparently) to systemically abuse their positions - and that at least has to be good news for us all. It also very grim to hear any Lib-Dems (as above) trying to wriggle out of their absolutely direct association with Smith on the basis that he was an old 'Liberal' (not 'Lib-Dem') at the time of his alleged offences. As it happens many of the 'UKIP' people being 'exposed' for their un-PC opinions lately were serving in public office years ago for a different but completely unrelated political Party (to date, usually Tory) when they said what is now being highlighted. No such thing as bad publicity so the more muck being slung at UKIP, the better the roses they seem to be growing...... muscliffman
  • Score: 6

12:01pm Thu 1 May 14

O'Reilly says...

The real reason the Smith scandal was kept under wraps was to enable the Lib-Lab pact of the late 70's to function without any embarrassing disclosures... the Security Services were well aware of Smith's strange proclivities....
The real reason the Smith scandal was kept under wraps was to enable the Lib-Lab pact of the late 70's to function without any embarrassing disclosures... the Security Services were well aware of Smith's strange proclivities.... O'Reilly
  • Score: 7

1:23pm Thu 1 May 14

BIGTONE says...

They didn't even know him....
They didn't even know him.... BIGTONE
  • Score: 3

3:56pm Thu 1 May 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

Oh great, here we go again. Finger pointing at another dead man unable to defend himself or sue for libelous unproven unfounded accusations.

Go on, be brave one of you. Say something similar about someone famous who is alive now who you suspect of similar crimes but has not been arrested, charged or convicted.
Oh great, here we go again. Finger pointing at another dead man unable to defend himself or sue for libelous unproven unfounded accusations. Go on, be brave one of you. Say something similar about someone famous who is alive now who you suspect of similar crimes but has not been arrested, charged or convicted. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: -3

4:20pm Thu 1 May 14

s-pb2 says...

Why is it a surprise to those who directly worked with him now, when the rest of us were told about in the press years ago?
Why is it a surprise to those who directly worked with him now, when the rest of us were told about in the press years ago? s-pb2
  • Score: 3

7:07pm Thu 1 May 14

Bob49 says...

"No such thing as bad publicity so the more muck being slung at UKIP, the better the roses they seem to be growing......"

oh dear, you get dimmer by the minute

UKIP have become a very convenient distraction for the three main parties Allow serious questions about East European immigration to become muddled up with the cranks and crackpots of UKIP, so they can be dismissed as nothing more than rantings of a few deranged nutcases, led by an expenses hungey hypocrite.

As to Cyril Smith the present story is no more than electionaring by the back door. It was widely reported in Private Eye and a magaine called Scallywag. The latter being well worth a look up on the internet as the archives reveal just how many politicians were involved in such stuff, and suggests why they were never prosecuted.

Sadly, as long as we have such willing dupes such as Muscliffman doing their work, in the same fashion as the sheep in Animal Farm bleated what they were told. then it is unlikely that much will change. It was the BNP previously, it was then National Front and the BUF before them.

All nothing more than convenient distractions to disapate real debate and questioning.
"No such thing as bad publicity so the more muck being slung at UKIP, the better the roses they seem to be growing......" oh dear, you get dimmer by the minute UKIP have become a very convenient distraction for the three main parties Allow serious questions about East European immigration to become muddled up with the cranks and crackpots of UKIP, so they can be dismissed as nothing more than rantings of a few deranged nutcases, led by an expenses hungey hypocrite. As to Cyril Smith the present story is no more than electionaring by the back door. It was widely reported in Private Eye and a magaine called Scallywag. The latter being well worth a look up on the internet as the archives reveal just how many politicians were involved in such stuff, and suggests why they were never prosecuted. Sadly, as long as we have such willing dupes such as Muscliffman doing their work, in the same fashion as the sheep in Animal Farm bleated what they were told. then it is unlikely that much will change. It was the BNP previously, it was then National Front and the BUF before them. All nothing more than convenient distractions to disapate real debate and questioning. Bob49
  • Score: -3

8:01pm Thu 1 May 14

muscliffman says...

Bob49 wrote:
"No such thing as bad publicity so the more muck being slung at UKIP, the better the roses they seem to be growing......"

oh dear, you get dimmer by the minute

UKIP have become a very convenient distraction for the three main parties Allow serious questions about East European immigration to become muddled up with the cranks and crackpots of UKIP, so they can be dismissed as nothing more than rantings of a few deranged nutcases, led by an expenses hungey hypocrite.

As to Cyril Smith the present story is no more than electionaring by the back door. It was widely reported in Private Eye and a magaine called Scallywag. The latter being well worth a look up on the internet as the archives reveal just how many politicians were involved in such stuff, and suggests why they were never prosecuted.

Sadly, as long as we have such willing dupes such as Muscliffman doing their work, in the same fashion as the sheep in Animal Farm bleated what they were told. then it is unlikely that much will change. It was the BNP previously, it was then National Front and the BUF before them.

All nothing more than convenient distractions to disapate real debate and questioning.
Keeping it on form! Nasty remarks and rudeness, the usual reserve of the left when confronted with any view other than their own and they cannot articulate in a reasonable civilised debate! I hear throwing eggs at Nigel Farage and chanting 'racist' like a trained parrot to the word 'UKIP' when interviewed on BBC2 Newsnight are the latest weapons in their immature contributions to this interesting phase in modern grown up UK politics.

So sorry to have troubled you - again! Keep the red flag flying, it's working a treat in North Korea.
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "No such thing as bad publicity so the more muck being slung at UKIP, the better the roses they seem to be growing......" oh dear, you get dimmer by the minute UKIP have become a very convenient distraction for the three main parties Allow serious questions about East European immigration to become muddled up with the cranks and crackpots of UKIP, so they can be dismissed as nothing more than rantings of a few deranged nutcases, led by an expenses hungey hypocrite. As to Cyril Smith the present story is no more than electionaring by the back door. It was widely reported in Private Eye and a magaine called Scallywag. The latter being well worth a look up on the internet as the archives reveal just how many politicians were involved in such stuff, and suggests why they were never prosecuted. Sadly, as long as we have such willing dupes such as Muscliffman doing their work, in the same fashion as the sheep in Animal Farm bleated what they were told. then it is unlikely that much will change. It was the BNP previously, it was then National Front and the BUF before them. All nothing more than convenient distractions to disapate real debate and questioning.[/p][/quote]Keeping it on form! Nasty remarks and rudeness, the usual reserve of the left when confronted with any view other than their own and they cannot articulate in a reasonable civilised debate! I hear throwing eggs at Nigel Farage and chanting 'racist' like a trained parrot to the word 'UKIP' when interviewed on BBC2 Newsnight are the latest weapons in their immature contributions to this interesting phase in modern grown up UK politics. So sorry to have troubled you - again! Keep the red flag flying, it's working a treat in North Korea. muscliffman
  • Score: 1

8:15pm Thu 1 May 14

pete woodley says...

Muscliffman,You appear to be getting extra uptight lately,its not like you,whats up.
Muscliffman,You appear to be getting extra uptight lately,its not like you,whats up. pete woodley
  • Score: 4

9:05pm Thu 1 May 14

muscliffman says...

pete woodley wrote:
Muscliffman,You appear to be getting extra uptight lately,its not like you,whats up.
I am usually very tolerant of other commentator's political opinions, indeed my own views could be described as very colourful indeed - and come in all shades.

But I guess I don't suffer people very well who simply take a silly pop at another persons comments rather than offering constructive and considered alternatives..... and unlike some folk whilst my responses are robust I have refrained from being plain rude!
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Muscliffman,You appear to be getting extra uptight lately,its not like you,whats up.[/p][/quote]I am usually very tolerant of other commentator's political opinions, indeed my own views could be described as very colourful indeed - and come in all shades. But I guess I don't suffer people very well who simply take a silly pop at another persons comments rather than offering constructive and considered alternatives..... and unlike some folk whilst my responses are robust I have refrained from being plain rude! muscliffman
  • Score: -1

10:20pm Thu 1 May 14

pete woodley says...

muscliffman wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
Muscliffman,You appear to be getting extra uptight lately,its not like you,whats up.
I am usually very tolerant of other commentator's political opinions, indeed my own views could be described as very colourful indeed - and come in all shades.

But I guess I don't suffer people very well who simply take a silly pop at another persons comments rather than offering constructive and considered alternatives..... and unlike some folk whilst my responses are robust I have refrained from being plain rude!
Perfectly understood,wish i was a bit more tolerant at times,but some on here go right over the top and get very personal,and i cannot understand why they want to fight a 79 year old disabled man,although nobody scares me.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Muscliffman,You appear to be getting extra uptight lately,its not like you,whats up.[/p][/quote]I am usually very tolerant of other commentator's political opinions, indeed my own views could be described as very colourful indeed - and come in all shades. But I guess I don't suffer people very well who simply take a silly pop at another persons comments rather than offering constructive and considered alternatives..... and unlike some folk whilst my responses are robust I have refrained from being plain rude![/p][/quote]Perfectly understood,wish i was a bit more tolerant at times,but some on here go right over the top and get very personal,and i cannot understand why they want to fight a 79 year old disabled man,although nobody scares me. pete woodley
  • Score: 3

3:17am Fri 2 May 14

Bob49 says...

muscliffman wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
"No such thing as bad publicity so the more muck being slung at UKIP, the better the roses they seem to be growing......"

oh dear, you get dimmer by the minute

UKIP have become a very convenient distraction for the three main parties Allow serious questions about East European immigration to become muddled up with the cranks and crackpots of UKIP, so they can be dismissed as nothing more than rantings of a few deranged nutcases, led by an expenses hungey hypocrite.

As to Cyril Smith the present story is no more than electionaring by the back door. It was widely reported in Private Eye and a magaine called Scallywag. The latter being well worth a look up on the internet as the archives reveal just how many politicians were involved in such stuff, and suggests why they were never prosecuted.

Sadly, as long as we have such willing dupes such as Muscliffman doing their work, in the same fashion as the sheep in Animal Farm bleated what they were told. then it is unlikely that much will change. It was the BNP previously, it was then National Front and the BUF before them.

All nothing more than convenient distractions to disapate real debate and questioning.
Keeping it on form! Nasty remarks and rudeness, the usual reserve of the left when confronted with any view other than their own and they cannot articulate in a reasonable civilised debate! I hear throwing eggs at Nigel Farage and chanting 'racist' like a trained parrot to the word 'UKIP' when interviewed on BBC2 Newsnight are the latest weapons in their immature contributions to this interesting phase in modern grown up UK politics.

So sorry to have troubled you - again! Keep the red flag flying, it's working a treat in North Korea.
oh dear, touched a nerve have I ?

appears I am of the left now, and throwing eggs

though i doubt that many will miss the irony of you bleating about debate when you offered up nothing in that form at all

shame you did not watch Question Time or you would have seen my views echoed by the panelists of either political colour as well as the audience members ie that we need serious discussion about genuine concerns folk have about immigration and that is being clouded over byt the ill informed guff spouted by Farage;s fruitcakes

and there is every chance that those debates will simply be sidetracked into highlighting the numerous racists in UKIP and Farages hypocritical filling of his pockets from the EU coffers

as the North Korea, I should look at little closer to home where another glorious leader wants his country to be closed to outsiders and his deluded followers hang on to his every word whilst ignoring his wealth gained at through corruption

i look forward to the next slogan daubed on the wall, that you will bleat out
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "No such thing as bad publicity so the more muck being slung at UKIP, the better the roses they seem to be growing......" oh dear, you get dimmer by the minute UKIP have become a very convenient distraction for the three main parties Allow serious questions about East European immigration to become muddled up with the cranks and crackpots of UKIP, so they can be dismissed as nothing more than rantings of a few deranged nutcases, led by an expenses hungey hypocrite. As to Cyril Smith the present story is no more than electionaring by the back door. It was widely reported in Private Eye and a magaine called Scallywag. The latter being well worth a look up on the internet as the archives reveal just how many politicians were involved in such stuff, and suggests why they were never prosecuted. Sadly, as long as we have such willing dupes such as Muscliffman doing their work, in the same fashion as the sheep in Animal Farm bleated what they were told. then it is unlikely that much will change. It was the BNP previously, it was then National Front and the BUF before them. All nothing more than convenient distractions to disapate real debate and questioning.[/p][/quote]Keeping it on form! Nasty remarks and rudeness, the usual reserve of the left when confronted with any view other than their own and they cannot articulate in a reasonable civilised debate! I hear throwing eggs at Nigel Farage and chanting 'racist' like a trained parrot to the word 'UKIP' when interviewed on BBC2 Newsnight are the latest weapons in their immature contributions to this interesting phase in modern grown up UK politics. So sorry to have troubled you - again! Keep the red flag flying, it's working a treat in North Korea.[/p][/quote]oh dear, touched a nerve have I ? appears I am of the left now, and throwing eggs though i doubt that many will miss the irony of you bleating about debate when you offered up nothing in that form at all shame you did not watch Question Time or you would have seen my views echoed by the panelists of either political colour as well as the audience members ie that we need serious discussion about genuine concerns folk have about immigration and that is being clouded over byt the ill informed guff spouted by Farage;s fruitcakes and there is every chance that those debates will simply be sidetracked into highlighting the numerous racists in UKIP and Farages hypocritical filling of his pockets from the EU coffers as the North Korea, I should look at little closer to home where another glorious leader wants his country to be closed to outsiders and his deluded followers hang on to his every word whilst ignoring his wealth gained at through corruption i look forward to the next slogan daubed on the wall, that you will bleat out Bob49
  • Score: 2

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