£850k revamp of Horseshoe Common is designed to make the area safer

Bournemouth Echo: REGENERATION: The works to Horseshoe Common are well underway REGENERATION: The works to Horseshoe Common are well underway

A REGENERATION project that aims to make one of Bournemouth’s crime hotspots safer and more attractive is well underway.

Horseshoe Common is benefitting from a £850,000 revamp that includes new landscaping and traffic improvements.

Improvements to Dean Park Crescent and the northern side of Old Christchurch Road are now nearing completion and works have begun on Fir Vale Road, which will be closed to through traffic for four weeks.

The scheme is part of the Three Towns Travel programme, which aims to improve key transport links in Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch.

It includes the creation of new walking and cycling routes, shared space between Horseshoe Common and Old Christchurch Road and the replacement of the Horseshoe Common roundabout with a new road junction.

A new public space will be created at Horseshoe Common, unnecessary railings and signs will be removed and new street furniture will be installed.

A night-time road closure will be put in place and Old Christchurch Road, Dean Park Crescent and Madeira Road will be covered by a 20mph zone.

Cllr Michael Filer, cabinet member for transport, said: “It is very exciting to see the progress being made at Horseshoe Common as part of the Three Towns Travel programme.

“The improvement works will make it easier, safer and more attractive to travel in and around this area and will complement the ongoing regeneration being carried out to increase the vitality of this key town centre location.”

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1:23pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Townee says...

I still can't see what tis has to do with a travel program? More a waste of OUR MONEY that no one asked us if we want to do it. I believe that this is like throwing money into a money pit, you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear all this will do is give the down and out somewhere better to hang out.
I still can't see what tis has to do with a travel program? More a waste of OUR MONEY that no one asked us if we want to do it. I believe that this is like throwing money into a money pit, you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear all this will do is give the down and out somewhere better to hang out. Townee
  • Score: 8

1:31pm Tue 29 Apr 14

muscliffman says...

So, "Cllr Michael Filer, cabinet member for transport, said: “It is very exciting to see the progress being made at Horseshoe Common as part of the Three Towns Travel programme."

No it isn't! This has all the hallmarks of anything Councillor Filer seems to be associated with - inexplicably expensive, a complete waste of our money, something nobody who is paying for it (taxpayers) remotely wanted and basically quite useless.

Enough.
So, "Cllr Michael Filer, cabinet member for transport, said: “It is very exciting to see the progress being made at Horseshoe Common as part of the Three Towns Travel programme." No it isn't! This has all the hallmarks of anything Councillor Filer seems to be associated with - inexplicably expensive, a complete waste of our money, something nobody who is paying for it (taxpayers) remotely wanted and basically quite useless. Enough. muscliffman
  • Score: 10

1:39pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Valerie W. says...

The officialese the councillor is spouting sounds like one of Ronnie Barker's parodies. The common itself hasn't been touched, they're just sprucing the roundabout up. No one has noticed the tent that has been pitched under the bridge for weeks or removed the drunks. A load of eye-wash, the councillor probably has shares in the company supplying the paving slabs.
The officialese the councillor is spouting sounds like one of Ronnie Barker's parodies. The common itself hasn't been touched, they're just sprucing the roundabout up. No one has noticed the tent that has been pitched under the bridge for weeks or removed the drunks. A load of eye-wash, the councillor probably has shares in the company supplying the paving slabs. Valerie W.
  • Score: 9

2:19pm Tue 29 Apr 14

MMM444 says...

Townee wrote:
I still can't see what tis has to do with a travel program? More a waste of OUR MONEY that no one asked us if we want to do it. I believe that this is like throwing money into a money pit, you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear all this will do is give the down and out somewhere better to hang out.
Could be worse, they could of spent 850k on a puncture outfit for the surf reef, and that mess is beyond repair, bit like themslves
[quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: I still can't see what tis has to do with a travel program? More a waste of OUR MONEY that no one asked us if we want to do it. I believe that this is like throwing money into a money pit, you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear all this will do is give the down and out somewhere better to hang out.[/p][/quote]Could be worse, they could of spent 850k on a puncture outfit for the surf reef, and that mess is beyond repair, bit like themslves MMM444
  • Score: 7

2:40pm Tue 29 Apr 14

BmthNewshound says...

This cosmetic improvement is nothing to do with the Three Towns Travel Partnership and everything to do with making the area more appealing to potential buyers of the tax payer funded apartments being built by The Bournemouth Development Company on the site of the Leyton Mount car park.
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The apartments, being marketed as The Citrus Building are being advertised but no prices have been given. No doubt the Council wants to either avoid the embarrassment of the overpriced Surf Pods at Boscombe or will be selling them on the cheap to a few carefully selected investors for buy-to-let.
This cosmetic improvement is nothing to do with the Three Towns Travel Partnership and everything to do with making the area more appealing to potential buyers of the tax payer funded apartments being built by The Bournemouth Development Company on the site of the Leyton Mount car park. . The apartments, being marketed as The Citrus Building are being advertised but no prices have been given. No doubt the Council wants to either avoid the embarrassment of the overpriced Surf Pods at Boscombe or will be selling them on the cheap to a few carefully selected investors for buy-to-let. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 10

3:13pm Tue 29 Apr 14

speedy231278 says...

It has absolutely nothing to do with anything but the idea of increasing the sale value of the unnecessary monstrosity being built right next to the common, and this is also why the taxi rank is being moved. Zero real benefit for the people or businesses in the area, it's pocket lining for the Council and Morgan Sindall via the Bournemouth Building Company, whose board is comprised solely of..... Council members and Morgan Sindall directors!
It has absolutely nothing to do with anything but the idea of increasing the sale value of the unnecessary monstrosity being built right next to the common, and this is also why the taxi rank is being moved. Zero real benefit for the people or businesses in the area, it's pocket lining for the Council and Morgan Sindall via the Bournemouth Building Company, whose board is comprised solely of..... Council members and Morgan Sindall directors! speedy231278
  • Score: 6

3:23pm Tue 29 Apr 14

speedy231278 says...

Apologies... Bournemouth Development Company.

The board is:

Bill Cotton (Board Chairman): Executive Director for Environment and Economy at Bournemouth Borough Council.

Richard Dixon: on the Board of Morgan Sindall Investments Limited

Duncan Johnston: General Manager at Morgan Sindall Investments Ltd

Roger Ball: Director of Technical Services at Bournemouth Borough Council

Nick Gyring-Nielsen: Development Manager at Morgan Sindall Investments Ltd

David d’Orton-Gibson: has worked for 25 years in a variety of roles in the property industry. A ward councillor he now runs a business providing training and other support services to the residential property industry.

So, at face value it seems nothing more than a complete whitewash. how can this even be legal considering the obvious and massive conflicts of interest in having a building company whose senior members are all on the payroll of the land owner or constructor for the projects they will propose?
Apologies... Bournemouth Development Company. The board is: Bill Cotton (Board Chairman): Executive Director for Environment and Economy at Bournemouth Borough Council. Richard Dixon: on the Board of Morgan Sindall Investments Limited Duncan Johnston: General Manager at Morgan Sindall Investments Ltd Roger Ball: Director of Technical Services at Bournemouth Borough Council Nick Gyring-Nielsen: Development Manager at Morgan Sindall Investments Ltd David d’Orton-Gibson: has worked for 25 years in a variety of roles in the property industry. A ward councillor he now runs a business providing training and other support services to the residential property industry. So, at face value it seems nothing more than a complete whitewash. how can this even be legal considering the obvious and massive conflicts of interest in having a building company whose senior members are all on the payroll of the land owner or constructor for the projects they will propose? speedy231278
  • Score: 12

3:33pm Tue 29 Apr 14

politicaltrainspotter says...

Is it because the truth is that when the new hotel is built they don't want the tourist tosee the drunks and the underbelly of Bournemouth showing itself from their hotel rooms ?
Is it because the truth is that when the new hotel is built they don't want the tourist tosee the drunks and the underbelly of Bournemouth showing itself from their hotel rooms ? politicaltrainspotter
  • Score: 8

3:44pm Tue 29 Apr 14

jeebuscripes says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Apologies... Bournemouth Development Company.

The board is:

Bill Cotton (Board Chairman): Executive Director for Environment and Economy at Bournemouth Borough Council.

Richard Dixon: on the Board of Morgan Sindall Investments Limited

Duncan Johnston: General Manager at Morgan Sindall Investments Ltd

Roger Ball: Director of Technical Services at Bournemouth Borough Council

Nick Gyring-Nielsen: Development Manager at Morgan Sindall Investments Ltd

David d’Orton-Gibson: has worked for 25 years in a variety of roles in the property industry. A ward councillor he now runs a business providing training and other support services to the residential property industry.

So, at face value it seems nothing more than a complete whitewash. how can this even be legal considering the obvious and massive conflicts of interest in having a building company whose senior members are all on the payroll of the land owner or constructor for the projects they will propose?
If this is true it has to be sent to Private Eye, for their Rotten Boroughs section.

Name and shame.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Apologies... Bournemouth Development Company. The board is: Bill Cotton (Board Chairman): Executive Director for Environment and Economy at Bournemouth Borough Council. Richard Dixon: on the Board of Morgan Sindall Investments Limited Duncan Johnston: General Manager at Morgan Sindall Investments Ltd Roger Ball: Director of Technical Services at Bournemouth Borough Council Nick Gyring-Nielsen: Development Manager at Morgan Sindall Investments Ltd David d’Orton-Gibson: has worked for 25 years in a variety of roles in the property industry. A ward councillor he now runs a business providing training and other support services to the residential property industry. So, at face value it seems nothing more than a complete whitewash. how can this even be legal considering the obvious and massive conflicts of interest in having a building company whose senior members are all on the payroll of the land owner or constructor for the projects they will propose?[/p][/quote]If this is true it has to be sent to Private Eye, for their Rotten Boroughs section. Name and shame. jeebuscripes
  • Score: 10

3:47pm Tue 29 Apr 14

speedy231278 says...

politicaltrainspotte
r
wrote:
Is it because the truth is that when the new hotel is built they don't want the tourist tosee the drunks and the underbelly of Bournemouth showing itself from their hotel rooms ?
Yup, they'd rather spend £850K faffing about with the scenery rather than make the clubs and bars in the area actually bother complying with regulations about not letting people get drunk and disorderly. If people weren't falling out of clubs at 4am utterly wasted, there'd be less crime, less litter and less vomit on the pavement. The road would be safer because less drunk people would wander infront of the traffic, and it wouldn't need nightly closures to avoid this. They are treating the symptom, as usual, and not the disease.
[quote][p][bold]politicaltrainspotte r[/bold] wrote: Is it because the truth is that when the new hotel is built they don't want the tourist tosee the drunks and the underbelly of Bournemouth showing itself from their hotel rooms ?[/p][/quote]Yup, they'd rather spend £850K faffing about with the scenery rather than make the clubs and bars in the area actually bother complying with regulations about not letting people get drunk and disorderly. If people weren't falling out of clubs at 4am utterly wasted, there'd be less crime, less litter and less vomit on the pavement. The road would be safer because less drunk people would wander infront of the traffic, and it wouldn't need nightly closures to avoid this. They are treating the symptom, as usual, and not the disease. speedy231278
  • Score: 8

4:01pm Tue 29 Apr 14

speedy231278 says...

jeebuscripes wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Apologies... Bournemouth Development Company.

The board is:

Bill Cotton (Board Chairman): Executive Director for Environment and Economy at Bournemouth Borough Council.

Richard Dixon: on the Board of Morgan Sindall Investments Limited

Duncan Johnston: General Manager at Morgan Sindall Investments Ltd

Roger Ball: Director of Technical Services at Bournemouth Borough Council

Nick Gyring-Nielsen: Development Manager at Morgan Sindall Investments Ltd

David d’Orton-Gibson: has worked for 25 years in a variety of roles in the property industry. A ward councillor he now runs a business providing training and other support services to the residential property industry.

So, at face value it seems nothing more than a complete whitewash. how can this even be legal considering the obvious and massive conflicts of interest in having a building company whose senior members are all on the payroll of the land owner or constructor for the projects they will propose?
If this is true it has to be sent to Private Eye, for their Rotten Boroughs section.

Name and shame.
All in the public domain.

http://www.bournemou
thdevelopmentcompany
.com/about-us/meet-t
he-board/
[quote][p][bold]jeebuscripes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Apologies... Bournemouth Development Company. The board is: Bill Cotton (Board Chairman): Executive Director for Environment and Economy at Bournemouth Borough Council. Richard Dixon: on the Board of Morgan Sindall Investments Limited Duncan Johnston: General Manager at Morgan Sindall Investments Ltd Roger Ball: Director of Technical Services at Bournemouth Borough Council Nick Gyring-Nielsen: Development Manager at Morgan Sindall Investments Ltd David d’Orton-Gibson: has worked for 25 years in a variety of roles in the property industry. A ward councillor he now runs a business providing training and other support services to the residential property industry. So, at face value it seems nothing more than a complete whitewash. how can this even be legal considering the obvious and massive conflicts of interest in having a building company whose senior members are all on the payroll of the land owner or constructor for the projects they will propose?[/p][/quote]If this is true it has to be sent to Private Eye, for their Rotten Boroughs section. Name and shame.[/p][/quote]All in the public domain. http://www.bournemou thdevelopmentcompany .com/about-us/meet-t he-board/ speedy231278
  • Score: 5

4:29pm Tue 29 Apr 14

pete woodley says...

Who's orton-gibson,where did he appear from and where has he been since being elected,?.
Who's orton-gibson,where did he appear from and where has he been since being elected,?. pete woodley
  • Score: 2

4:51pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Azphreal says...

WHY is it a crime blackspot? I hope its not to do with the drunk peopole coming out of the clubs as thats proves all the talk of the wonderful 'night time economy' is false.
WHY is it a crime blackspot? I hope its not to do with the drunk peopole coming out of the clubs as thats proves all the talk of the wonderful 'night time economy' is false. Azphreal
  • Score: 2

5:20pm Tue 29 Apr 14

NickTheGreekinBmth says...

jeebuscripes wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Apologies... Bournemouth Development Company.

The board is:

Bill Cotton (Board Chairman): Executive Director for Environment and Economy at Bournemouth Borough Council.

Richard Dixon: on the Board of Morgan Sindall Investments Limited

Duncan Johnston: General Manager at Morgan Sindall Investments Ltd

Roger Ball: Director of Technical Services at Bournemouth Borough Council

Nick Gyring-Nielsen: Development Manager at Morgan Sindall Investments Ltd

David d’Orton-Gibson: has worked for 25 years in a variety of roles in the property industry. A ward councillor he now runs a business providing training and other support services to the residential property industry.

So, at face value it seems nothing more than a complete whitewash. how can this even be legal considering the obvious and massive conflicts of interest in having a building company whose senior members are all on the payroll of the land owner or constructor for the projects they will propose?
If this is true it has to be sent to Private Eye, for their Rotten Boroughs section.

Name and shame.
Dont the council and morgan sindel own 50percent each of the company so it woudl kind of make sense that they are on the board?
[quote][p][bold]jeebuscripes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Apologies... Bournemouth Development Company. The board is: Bill Cotton (Board Chairman): Executive Director for Environment and Economy at Bournemouth Borough Council. Richard Dixon: on the Board of Morgan Sindall Investments Limited Duncan Johnston: General Manager at Morgan Sindall Investments Ltd Roger Ball: Director of Technical Services at Bournemouth Borough Council Nick Gyring-Nielsen: Development Manager at Morgan Sindall Investments Ltd David d’Orton-Gibson: has worked for 25 years in a variety of roles in the property industry. A ward councillor he now runs a business providing training and other support services to the residential property industry. So, at face value it seems nothing more than a complete whitewash. how can this even be legal considering the obvious and massive conflicts of interest in having a building company whose senior members are all on the payroll of the land owner or constructor for the projects they will propose?[/p][/quote]If this is true it has to be sent to Private Eye, for their Rotten Boroughs section. Name and shame.[/p][/quote]Dont the council and morgan sindel own 50percent each of the company so it woudl kind of make sense that they are on the board? NickTheGreekinBmth
  • Score: -2

5:29pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Redgolfer says...

speedy231278 wrote:
politicaltrainspotte

r
wrote:
Is it because the truth is that when the new hotel is built they don't want the tourist tosee the drunks and the underbelly of Bournemouth showing itself from their hotel rooms ?
Yup, they'd rather spend £850K faffing about with the scenery rather than make the clubs and bars in the area actually bother complying with regulations about not letting people get drunk and disorderly. If people weren't falling out of clubs at 4am utterly wasted, there'd be less crime, less litter and less vomit on the pavement. The road would be safer because less drunk people would wander infront of the traffic, and it wouldn't need nightly closures to avoid this. They are treating the symptom, as usual, and not the disease.
Correctly put, but do not blame it on accidents as the reason for getting rid of the Taxi rank, I was informed by the council that in 7years between the hours of 1am till 4 am on Friday/Sat morning and Sat/Sunday morning there were 30 accidents involving 32 people of which 12 involved Taxis, they would not say who the other 18 vehicles were, considering the amount of drunk people in the road that's not too bad. When Fir Vale Road was shut to Taxis, it became the 6th most violent Road in the UK, now they are going to triple the distance that people have to walk to get a Taxi, instead of as Cllr Filer put it make it safer, it is going to make it worse, then what will Cllr. Filer say, not my fault ???
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]politicaltrainspotte r[/bold] wrote: Is it because the truth is that when the new hotel is built they don't want the tourist tosee the drunks and the underbelly of Bournemouth showing itself from their hotel rooms ?[/p][/quote]Yup, they'd rather spend £850K faffing about with the scenery rather than make the clubs and bars in the area actually bother complying with regulations about not letting people get drunk and disorderly. If people weren't falling out of clubs at 4am utterly wasted, there'd be less crime, less litter and less vomit on the pavement. The road would be safer because less drunk people would wander infront of the traffic, and it wouldn't need nightly closures to avoid this. They are treating the symptom, as usual, and not the disease.[/p][/quote]Correctly put, but do not blame it on accidents as the reason for getting rid of the Taxi rank, I was informed by the council that in 7years between the hours of 1am till 4 am on Friday/Sat morning and Sat/Sunday morning there were 30 accidents involving 32 people of which 12 involved Taxis, they would not say who the other 18 vehicles were, considering the amount of drunk people in the road that's not too bad. When Fir Vale Road was shut to Taxis, it became the 6th most violent Road in the UK, now they are going to triple the distance that people have to walk to get a Taxi, instead of as Cllr Filer put it make it safer, it is going to make it worse, then what will Cllr. Filer say, not my fault ??? Redgolfer
  • Score: 4

5:56pm Tue 29 Apr 14

LeeThorne says...

waste of money... I say money well spent if it makes the area safer and more eye appealing.
waste of money... I say money well spent if it makes the area safer and more eye appealing. LeeThorne
  • Score: -3

6:33pm Tue 29 Apr 14

billy bumble says...

Call me stupid and thick and out of touch

But isn't the easiest way to cut crime to lock up the criminals?
Call me stupid and thick and out of touch But isn't the easiest way to cut crime to lock up the criminals? billy bumble
  • Score: 2

8:33pm Tue 29 Apr 14

itsneverblackorwhite says...

Is the 20 mph zone going to be enforced or will it work much like the ones near the schools and the array of new yellow boxed areas that are springing up everywhere in other words nobody takes a blind bit of notice as no cameras!
Is the 20 mph zone going to be enforced or will it work much like the ones near the schools and the array of new yellow boxed areas that are springing up everywhere in other words nobody takes a blind bit of notice as no cameras! itsneverblackorwhite
  • Score: 2

9:17pm Tue 29 Apr 14

KLH says...

I walked past Horseshoe Common the other day, and let's say a well known tall white haired gentleman and his cronies were all sitting on a bench - as always same lot, all looked drunk as usual. I will not mention his name, but I think a lot of people know who he is. And that same gentleman with his buddies will be there when all the work is complete, pestering women and in general making pests of themselves.

No difference apart from the roads as far as I can make out so far....
I walked past Horseshoe Common the other day, and let's say a well known tall white haired gentleman and his cronies were all sitting on a bench - as always same lot, all looked drunk as usual. I will not mention his name, but I think a lot of people know who he is. And that same gentleman with his buddies will be there when all the work is complete, pestering women and in general making pests of themselves. No difference apart from the roads as far as I can make out so far.... KLH
  • Score: 3

10:00pm Tue 29 Apr 14

stevobath says...

Brown envelopes....
Brown envelopes.... stevobath
  • Score: 2

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