Christchurch police station could close as alternative use for Bargates site considered

Police and Crime Commissioner Martyn Underhill

Police and Crime Commissioner Martyn Underhill

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CHRISTCHURCH police station could close – with ‘no guarantee’ it will be replaced with another station.

The multi-million pound Bargates site, which also includes the old Magistrates court, could be sold off by Dorset and Christchurch councils.

And Police and Crime Commissioner Martyn Underhill has refused to make a commitment to replace it with another station.

"We are trying to shrink our estate - I can't guarantee there will be a police station in Christchurch" he told the Daily Echo.

"There will definitely be a police presence in Christchurch, as in every other town in the county, but as to whether there will be a police station, I can't commit to that."

Plans have been discussed for years by councillors and officers to redevelop the town centre site – at one time a supermarket was suggested as an option.

Mr Underhill stressed Christchurch police station has not been declared surplus to operational requirements.

But he said: “There are undoubted opportunities to rationalise the estate to take advantage of developments in policing such as mobile data, improved communications and partnership working.”

He said on-going cuts to the police budget make it essential to ensure buildings are optimised and in the best location to meet operational demands.

Highcliffe police station in Lymington Road was closed in 2010.

Chief Constable Debbie Simpson confirmed that alternative uses for the Christchurch site are being examined but added: “Any solution must include the continued provision for the police in a suitable location which continues to meet the operational needs of the town.

“By working with partners it is hoped that better use of public buildings can be achieved which will improve the police’s ability to support the public and concentrate resources on the frontline.

“It costs the force £6.44m a year to run the Dorset Police estate and, while there will always be a requirement for specialist facilities such as custody suites, the review has established that we need to minimise our estate.

“The force estate continues to be reviewed in order to meet the financial challenges and operational demands that the police face.”

Cllr Ray Nottage, leader of Christchurch Council, said they would be working with Dorset Police and the PCC to ensure a police presence would continue in a ‘suitable location’ in Christchurch.

But Christchurch Borough and Dorset County councillor David Jones said: "I am very concerned by this.

"The words 'continued provision for the police' are very vague and could indicate simply a police box-type of presence.

"It is crucial that the people of Christchurch be told exactly what proposals there are to continue a police presence."

Chairman of West Christchurch Residents Association, Jim Biggin, said: “People want to see a police presence – more officers.

“A public police presence is much more important than the existence of a station and if we can increase that, I think people will feel safe.”

Nigel Cook, chairman of Christchurch Citizens’ Association, said it was important to see a permanent base for officers in the town centre.

“While I accept a different building might be more cost-effective, there does need to be somewhere people can go to talk to an officer in confidence”, he said.

“It needs to be somewhere permanent, with convenient opening hours for people to visit if they need to talk to someone – home visits would not be adequate.”

The news has also prompted criticism from residents who fear crime could rise if the police station is closed.

Alison Broughall, 55, a health care assistant from Boscombe who works in Christchurch, said: “It would be such a shame not to have a local police station. The police are in the community here. They know the people and are aware of any problems.” 

Pat Smith, who has lived in Christchurch for 60 years, said: “It is nice to know that the police are there. It makes you feel safer. I have lived here a long time and I didn’t think this would ever happen.”

Justine Blunden, 44, a letting negotiator from Ferndown who works in Christchurch, said: “The beat officers sometimes pop into our office and it helps create a community feel having them so close. They have helped us in the past with vulnerable people and it is so much easier having them just across the road.”

Andrea Lemon, 52, a sales assistant from Christchurch, said: “If they closed down the police station it might encourage more crime in the area. I would be concerned about where people would go if there was a problem and no police station to go to.”

Background on the Bargates site

The future of the Bargates site, which includes the police station and Christchurch’s former magistrates’ court, has been under discussion for many years.

In 2012, the land was previously put forward as a possible site for a supermarket, as part of applications for three other food stores.

But until now, little progress has been made, with a spokesperson for the site, saying earlier this year that talks were still ongoing and ‘limited progress’ had been made.

The landowners include Dorset County Council, Christchurch Borough Council, Dorset Police and the Hospital of the Mary Magdalen Trust.

A recent planning application for a Morrison’s supermarket at Beagle Technology earlier this year, referred to the site saying, “At this current stage, there is less certainty regarding the availability of the site in comparison to May 2012.”

The planning report added: “Whilst the magistrates’ court site could accommodate a food store, it is currently unclear whether the site will be available within a reasonable time frame.”

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9:31am Mon 28 Apr 14

dobrojoe says...

A'Tardis' in Saxon Square perhaps?
A'Tardis' in Saxon Square perhaps? dobrojoe
  • Score: 20

9:35am Mon 28 Apr 14

Controversial But True says...

The PCSOs (do we have real police anymore?) will just have to pop into Waitrose for their free coffee instead!!
The PCSOs (do we have real police anymore?) will just have to pop into Waitrose for their free coffee instead!! Controversial But True
  • Score: 13

9:38am Mon 28 Apr 14

Old Colonial says...

As the Chief Constable says...“Any solution must include the continued provision for the police in a suitable location which continues to meet the operational needs of the town..". And that should be the sole criteria,ignoring the rest of the management-speak b***s**t..
As the Chief Constable says...“Any solution must include the continued provision for the police in a suitable location which continues to meet the operational needs of the town..". And that should be the sole criteria,ignoring the rest of the management-speak b***s**t.. Old Colonial
  • Score: 18

10:10am Mon 28 Apr 14

woby_tide says...

The site had previously been earmarked as the Councils preferred location for a supermarket until the Beagle/Bailey applications.

Maybe they have decided they could build a Primary school there instead (unless that is why the building at the hospital appears to be on hold?
The site had previously been earmarked as the Councils preferred location for a supermarket until the Beagle/Bailey applications. Maybe they have decided they could build a Primary school there instead (unless that is why the building at the hospital appears to be on hold? woby_tide
  • Score: 12

10:10am Mon 28 Apr 14

breamoreboy says...

dobrojoe wrote:
A'Tardis' in Saxon Square perhaps?
Tardis yes, but place it at the crime capital of Christchurch. I am obviously referring to the civic offices.
[quote][p][bold]dobrojoe[/bold] wrote: A'Tardis' in Saxon Square perhaps?[/p][/quote]Tardis yes, but place it at the crime capital of Christchurch. I am obviously referring to the civic offices. breamoreboy
  • Score: 36

10:14am Mon 28 Apr 14

forest-dweller says...

Quote from article - “"There are undoubted opportunities to rationalise the estate to take advantage of developments in policing such as mobile data, improved communications and partnership working.”".......c
all me old fashioned, but it would be nice to still see a policeman around once in a while, actually combating and trying to solve crime.
Quote from article - “"There are undoubted opportunities to rationalise the estate to take advantage of developments in policing such as mobile data, improved communications and partnership working.”".......c all me old fashioned, but it would be nice to still see a policeman around once in a while, actually combating and trying to solve crime. forest-dweller
  • Score: 7

10:14am Mon 28 Apr 14

forest-dweller says...

Quote from article - “"There are undoubted opportunities to rationalise the estate to take advantage of developments in policing such as mobile data, improved communications and partnership working.”".......c
all me old fashioned, but it would be nice to still see a policeman around once in a while, actually combating and trying to solve crime.
Quote from article - “"There are undoubted opportunities to rationalise the estate to take advantage of developments in policing such as mobile data, improved communications and partnership working.”".......c all me old fashioned, but it would be nice to still see a policeman around once in a while, actually combating and trying to solve crime. forest-dweller
  • Score: 8

10:22am Mon 28 Apr 14

bosco1 says...

The site there would make a nice supermarket,, come on Tesco and Asda start the fighting a few back handers you could be in.!!
The site there would make a nice supermarket,, come on Tesco and Asda start the fighting a few back handers you could be in.!! bosco1
  • Score: 9

10:23am Mon 28 Apr 14

skydriver says...

Please don't tell me Nottage will be having a say on this , God Help us if he does .
Please don't tell me Nottage will be having a say on this , God Help us if he does . skydriver
  • Score: 25

10:40am Mon 28 Apr 14

speedy231278 says...

Is it my imagination, or since the costly implementation of a PCC and his office after an 'election' that an overwhelming majority of people didn't even vote for ANY of the candidates in, is it not the case that stuff has been slashed all over the place to try and reduce operating costs? I can think of a way Mr Underhill can immediately save £70K from the force's budget....
Is it my imagination, or since the costly implementation of a PCC and his office after an 'election' that an overwhelming majority of people didn't even vote for ANY of the candidates in, is it not the case that stuff has been slashed all over the place to try and reduce operating costs? I can think of a way Mr Underhill can immediately save £70K from the force's budget.... speedy231278
  • Score: 26

11:38am Mon 28 Apr 14

Lucky Rich says...

The way things are being cut back ,you will have to get a police officer if you need one from eBay or amazon soon..
The way things are being cut back ,you will have to get a police officer if you need one from eBay or amazon soon.. Lucky Rich
  • Score: 8

11:40am Mon 28 Apr 14

speedy231278 says...

Lucky Rich wrote:
The way things are being cut back ,you will have to get a police officer if you need one from eBay or amazon soon..
You've been able to buy them for years if you have enough money, or own enough properties..... ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Lucky Rich[/bold] wrote: The way things are being cut back ,you will have to get a police officer if you need one from eBay or amazon soon..[/p][/quote]You've been able to buy them for years if you have enough money, or own enough properties..... ;-) speedy231278
  • Score: 6

11:48am Mon 28 Apr 14

TheDistrict says...

Dorset Police could save lots of money by getting rid of people placed in positions that were not needed before, ie, the PCC.
Dorset Police could save lots of money by getting rid of people placed in positions that were not needed before, ie, the PCC. TheDistrict
  • Score: 23

12:45pm Mon 28 Apr 14

yasinac says...

Could a room at the Civic Offices or within the library become a new base for a manned desk within the town?
Could a room at the Civic Offices or within the library become a new base for a manned desk within the town? yasinac
  • Score: 15

12:54pm Mon 28 Apr 14

richardcompton3 says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Is it my imagination, or since the costly implementation of a PCC and his office after an 'election' that an overwhelming majority of people didn't even vote for ANY of the candidates in, is it not the case that stuff has been slashed all over the place to try and reduce operating costs? I can think of a way Mr Underhill can immediately save £70K from the force's budget....
Well said. Undehill is a waste of space and money!
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Is it my imagination, or since the costly implementation of a PCC and his office after an 'election' that an overwhelming majority of people didn't even vote for ANY of the candidates in, is it not the case that stuff has been slashed all over the place to try and reduce operating costs? I can think of a way Mr Underhill can immediately save £70K from the force's budget....[/p][/quote]Well said. Undehill is a waste of space and money! richardcompton3
  • Score: 14

1:55pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Old Colonial says...

TheDistrict wrote:
Dorset Police could save lots of money by getting rid of people placed in positions that were not needed before, ie, the PCC.
Let's not get personal (oh why not?). It's not just him, it's the whole 'Office of the PCC' that soaks up the cash.
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Dorset Police could save lots of money by getting rid of people placed in positions that were not needed before, ie, the PCC.[/p][/quote]Let's not get personal (oh why not?). It's not just him, it's the whole 'Office of the PCC' that soaks up the cash. Old Colonial
  • Score: 14

2:04pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Dorset Logic says...

Don't send them anywhere there are paving slabs with more than 1mm level difference, it will cost more in the long run. The station needs to be totally padded and only senior officers will be allow to use scissors.
Don't send them anywhere there are paving slabs with more than 1mm level difference, it will cost more in the long run. The station needs to be totally padded and only senior officers will be allow to use scissors. Dorset Logic
  • Score: 0

2:10pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Lord gungedin of Ferndown says...

Have we really got to the stage where we are thinking about closing the Police Station in the 4th biggest town in Dorset. Is this really just budget cuts or has crass mismanagement got anything to do with it!
Have we really got to the stage where we are thinking about closing the Police Station in the 4th biggest town in Dorset. Is this really just budget cuts or has crass mismanagement got anything to do with it! Lord gungedin of Ferndown
  • Score: 20

2:33pm Mon 28 Apr 14

coster says...

Fine - if the Police do not wish to do the work, then we do not wish to pay. Al precept to the Dorset Police should be suspended, and the council use the money to employ a contractor.
Fine - if the Police do not wish to do the work, then we do not wish to pay. Al precept to the Dorset Police should be suspended, and the council use the money to employ a contractor. coster
  • Score: 0

2:59pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Gonetothebeach says...

Can't understand the fuss - all public bodies have had to look at rationalising their estate in order to save money, and alongside this properly forward thinking organisations quite rightly examine how best to deliver their services in the present and future world. How often do any (law abiding) citizens visit a police station these days? So the task is maintaining a visible presence in order to reassure the public and provide a focal point while also maintaining and improving operational efficiency. This may or may not mean a traditional police station with full custodial facilities. It might mean sharing premises and back office services with a local authority or other body. for one would rather put the money into police manpower than into buildings. And all this would be happening with or without Police and Crime Commissioners.
Can't understand the fuss - all public bodies have had to look at rationalising their estate in order to save money, and alongside this properly forward thinking organisations quite rightly examine how best to deliver their services in the present and future world. How often do any (law abiding) citizens visit a police station these days? So the task is maintaining a visible presence in order to reassure the public and provide a focal point while also maintaining and improving operational efficiency. This may or may not mean a traditional police station with full custodial facilities. It might mean sharing premises and back office services with a local authority or other body. for one would rather put the money into police manpower than into buildings. And all this would be happening with or without Police and Crime Commissioners. Gonetothebeach
  • Score: 1

3:24pm Mon 28 Apr 14

agp1337 says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Is it my imagination, or since the costly implementation of a PCC and his office after an 'election' that an overwhelming majority of people didn't even vote for ANY of the candidates in, is it not the case that stuff has been slashed all over the place to try and reduce operating costs? I can think of a way Mr Underhill can immediately save £70K from the force's budget....
So why didn't you vote? I did. I admit there wasn't much information, with the exception of Martyn Underhill. The whole thing was handled very badly by the government. There should have been TV information slots, etc., about it. Most people didn't know what it was all about.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Is it my imagination, or since the costly implementation of a PCC and his office after an 'election' that an overwhelming majority of people didn't even vote for ANY of the candidates in, is it not the case that stuff has been slashed all over the place to try and reduce operating costs? I can think of a way Mr Underhill can immediately save £70K from the force's budget....[/p][/quote]So why didn't you vote? I did. I admit there wasn't much information, with the exception of Martyn Underhill. The whole thing was handled very badly by the government. There should have been TV information slots, etc., about it. Most people didn't know what it was all about. agp1337
  • Score: 9

3:50pm Mon 28 Apr 14

speedy231278 says...

Old Colonial wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Dorset Police could save lots of money by getting rid of people placed in positions that were not needed before, ie, the PCC.
Let's not get personal (oh why not?). It's not just him, it's the whole 'Office of the PCC' that soaks up the cash.
Yes, so if you junk the PCC, you then junk his cronies at the same time.....?
[quote][p][bold]Old Colonial[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Dorset Police could save lots of money by getting rid of people placed in positions that were not needed before, ie, the PCC.[/p][/quote]Let's not get personal (oh why not?). It's not just him, it's the whole 'Office of the PCC' that soaks up the cash.[/p][/quote]Yes, so if you junk the PCC, you then junk his cronies at the same time.....? speedy231278
  • Score: 3

3:54pm Mon 28 Apr 14

speedy231278 says...

agp1337 wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Is it my imagination, or since the costly implementation of a PCC and his office after an 'election' that an overwhelming majority of people didn't even vote for ANY of the candidates in, is it not the case that stuff has been slashed all over the place to try and reduce operating costs? I can think of a way Mr Underhill can immediately save £70K from the force's budget....
So why didn't you vote? I did. I admit there wasn't much information, with the exception of Martyn Underhill. The whole thing was handled very badly by the government. There should have been TV information slots, etc., about it. Most people didn't know what it was all about.
Why didn't I vote? Because there was no option for "I don't want to waste £70K of the Police budget on an unnecessary appointment, and gawd knows how much more for the hangers-on".

Most people knew what it was about, didn't want a PCC, so didn't vote because they couldn't choose "none of the above". It was simply job creation for the sake of it.
[quote][p][bold]agp1337[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Is it my imagination, or since the costly implementation of a PCC and his office after an 'election' that an overwhelming majority of people didn't even vote for ANY of the candidates in, is it not the case that stuff has been slashed all over the place to try and reduce operating costs? I can think of a way Mr Underhill can immediately save £70K from the force's budget....[/p][/quote]So why didn't you vote? I did. I admit there wasn't much information, with the exception of Martyn Underhill. The whole thing was handled very badly by the government. There should have been TV information slots, etc., about it. Most people didn't know what it was all about.[/p][/quote]Why didn't I vote? Because there was no option for "I don't want to waste £70K of the Police budget on an unnecessary appointment, and gawd knows how much more for the hangers-on". Most people knew what it was about, didn't want a PCC, so didn't vote because they couldn't choose "none of the above". It was simply job creation for the sake of it. speedy231278
  • Score: 10

4:11pm Mon 28 Apr 14

politicaltrainspotter says...

Mr Underhill, you put up our council tax and within no time you are selling the forces silver.

The Tardis in Boscombe has made officers more static as opposed to mobile.It seems that Magnets are attached to their uniforms.And with that when are you going to admit that Boscombe PS will close and a hub put in at Argos ?

Taxi's for Mr Underhill and all his cronies
Mr Underhill, you put up our council tax and within no time you are selling the forces silver. The Tardis in Boscombe has made officers more static as opposed to mobile.It seems that Magnets are attached to their uniforms.And with that when are you going to admit that Boscombe PS will close and a hub put in at Argos ? Taxi's for Mr Underhill and all his cronies politicaltrainspotter
  • Score: 0

5:15pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Chukki's uncle says...

I am really not against trying to save money even if it means office sharing somewhere else within the town. What really annoys me and I suspect many others is how taxpayers funds are wasted in ridiculous payouts like the one which has been publicised today .For those blissfully unaware check out the news of the murderer of 3 people who received a large compensation fee for the damage to his nose hair clippers in jail. The payout was quite large due to the fact that the prison officers didnt apologise. !!!!!!!!!!!! I know I have drifted from this subject matter but its all relative.
I am really not against trying to save money even if it means office sharing somewhere else within the town. What really annoys me and I suspect many others is how taxpayers funds are wasted in ridiculous payouts like the one which has been publicised today .For those blissfully unaware check out the news of the murderer of 3 people who received a large compensation fee for the damage to his nose hair clippers in jail. The payout was quite large due to the fact that the prison officers didnt apologise. !!!!!!!!!!!! I know I have drifted from this subject matter but its all relative. Chukki's uncle
  • Score: 4

5:33pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Bob49 says...

Nothing more than asset stripping undere the guise of cost cutting.

No publically owned asset is now safe from the 'carpet baggers'.

A supposed booming economy, 6 th (?) largest in the world and we cannot afford often the most basic of facilities.

British Army - gove them broom handles, it kept Hitler at bay

Schools, call them Free schools and let them free to employ anyone as cheaps as possible

Hospitals, flood them with cheap foreign labour

and in the meantime any grounds and gardens that are 'surplus' can flogged off to their mates at a tidy profit

and that includes what was once OUR Royal Mail

how much more obvious does it have to be before it finally dawns on folk ?
Nothing more than asset stripping undere the guise of cost cutting. No publically owned asset is now safe from the 'carpet baggers'. A supposed booming economy, 6 th (?) largest in the world and we cannot afford often the most basic of facilities. British Army - gove them broom handles, it kept Hitler at bay Schools, call them Free schools and let them free to employ anyone as cheaps as possible Hospitals, flood them with cheap foreign labour and in the meantime any grounds and gardens that are 'surplus' can flogged off to their mates at a tidy profit and that includes what was once OUR Royal Mail how much more obvious does it have to be before it finally dawns on folk ? Bob49
  • Score: 6

6:38pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Yankee1 says...

No doubt a tasteful, Saxon version of Boscombe's Police Tardis would suit.

Why not use The George? It is where the Masons used to meet.
No doubt a tasteful, Saxon version of Boscombe's Police Tardis would suit. Why not use The George? It is where the Masons used to meet. Yankee1
  • Score: 1

6:40pm Mon 28 Apr 14

GeorgeW64 says...

Underhill sounds like a right waste of space to me, get rid now.
Underhill sounds like a right waste of space to me, get rid now. GeorgeW64
  • Score: 2

6:46pm Mon 28 Apr 14

audicherry says...

Trying getting the Police to turn out any time .... but after 11-00pm no chance we as residents in Mudeford and Highcliffe have tried numerous times total waste of breath ... If Nottage has any say God help us County Council happy to take our money for the Rates but when it comes to Police service in this area after 11-00pm no chance like the Waste Service hardly any complaints ....total Rubbish .These people now in so called authority just a law to themselfs,but love spending our money .Poor Police Service awfull Council a recipe for Disaster.
Trying getting the Police to turn out any time .... but after 11-00pm no chance we as residents in Mudeford and Highcliffe have tried numerous times total waste of breath ... If Nottage has any say God help us County Council happy to take our money for the Rates but when it comes to Police service in this area after 11-00pm no chance like the Waste Service hardly any complaints ....total Rubbish .These people now in so called authority just a law to themselfs,but love spending our money .Poor Police Service awfull Council a recipe for Disaster. audicherry
  • Score: 8

7:13pm Mon 28 Apr 14

bobsworthforever says...

Gonetothebeach wrote:
Can't understand the fuss - all public bodies have had to look at rationalising their estate in order to save money, and alongside this properly forward thinking organisations quite rightly examine how best to deliver their services in the present and future world. How often do any (law abiding) citizens visit a police station these days? So the task is maintaining a visible presence in order to reassure the public and provide a focal point while also maintaining and improving operational efficiency. This may or may not mean a traditional police station with full custodial facilities. It might mean sharing premises and back office services with a local authority or other body. for one would rather put the money into police manpower than into buildings. And all this would be happening with or without Police and Crime Commissioners.
That's one thing that definetely wont happen , their not going to sell the land and use the money to put more coppers in the community. Mind you if they build a supermarket they will need a load of extra coppers to control the traffic chaos
[quote][p][bold]Gonetothebeach[/bold] wrote: Can't understand the fuss - all public bodies have had to look at rationalising their estate in order to save money, and alongside this properly forward thinking organisations quite rightly examine how best to deliver their services in the present and future world. How often do any (law abiding) citizens visit a police station these days? So the task is maintaining a visible presence in order to reassure the public and provide a focal point while also maintaining and improving operational efficiency. This may or may not mean a traditional police station with full custodial facilities. It might mean sharing premises and back office services with a local authority or other body. for one would rather put the money into police manpower than into buildings. And all this would be happening with or without Police and Crime Commissioners.[/p][/quote]That's one thing that definetely wont happen , their not going to sell the land and use the money to put more coppers in the community. Mind you if they build a supermarket they will need a load of extra coppers to control the traffic chaos bobsworthforever
  • Score: -1

8:46pm Mon 28 Apr 14

fireflier says...

...and just when the PCC has made such a big case for raising the Police precept on the Council Tax by 1.9%

We shall soon have to make an appointment in advance before we are burgled, assaulted or robbed ...just so a policeman MAY arrive at the scene.
...and just when the PCC has made such a big case for raising the Police precept on the Council Tax by 1.9% We shall soon have to make an appointment in advance before we are burgled, assaulted or robbed ...just so a policeman MAY arrive at the scene. fireflier
  • Score: 3

9:35pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Maybe it is far more to do with the police force trying desperately to claw the money lost on the new Poole police station that has had to have a restrictive usage because the cells there are 3cm below the EU regulations, even though the PFI debt on that building is going to cost the taxpayers millions over the next 20-25 years because of the deal the police are tied into. I will say that this is only hearsay so if anyone in the know, knows different then do feel free to correct me.
Maybe it is far more to do with the police force trying desperately to claw the money lost on the new Poole police station that has had to have a restrictive usage because the cells there are 3cm below the EU regulations, even though the PFI debt on that building is going to cost the taxpayers millions over the next 20-25 years because of the deal the police are tied into. I will say that this is only hearsay so if anyone in the know, knows different then do feel free to correct me. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -3

11:22pm Mon 28 Apr 14

s-pb2 says...

audicherry wrote:
Trying getting the Police to turn out any time .... but after 11-00pm no chance we as residents in Mudeford and Highcliffe have tried numerous times total waste of breath ... If Nottage has any say God help us County Council happy to take our money for the Rates but when it comes to Police service in this area after 11-00pm no chance like the Waste Service hardly any complaints ....total Rubbish .These people now in so called authority just a law to themselfs,but love spending our money .Poor Police Service awfull Council a recipe for Disaster.
Will get even worse if the nearest police station will be Madeira Road, Bournemouth. Ive heard morale amongst bobbies is so low right now, that they feel they cannot effectively do a job with all these cutbacks. Therefore they would only venture into Xchurch if they need to, not as a matter of course.
[quote][p][bold]audicherry[/bold] wrote: Trying getting the Police to turn out any time .... but after 11-00pm no chance we as residents in Mudeford and Highcliffe have tried numerous times total waste of breath ... If Nottage has any say God help us County Council happy to take our money for the Rates but when it comes to Police service in this area after 11-00pm no chance like the Waste Service hardly any complaints ....total Rubbish .These people now in so called authority just a law to themselfs,but love spending our money .Poor Police Service awfull Council a recipe for Disaster.[/p][/quote]Will get even worse if the nearest police station will be Madeira Road, Bournemouth. Ive heard morale amongst bobbies is so low right now, that they feel they cannot effectively do a job with all these cutbacks. Therefore they would only venture into Xchurch if they need to, not as a matter of course. s-pb2
  • Score: 8

12:26am Tue 29 Apr 14

corngoat says...

A little off topic but I seem to remember Christchurch Police Station being at the beginning of a police drama series back in the late 60s / 70s - may have been Softly Softly Task Force. Anyone shed some light on this?
A little off topic but I seem to remember Christchurch Police Station being at the beginning of a police drama series back in the late 60s / 70s - may have been Softly Softly Task Force. Anyone shed some light on this? corngoat
  • Score: 3

1:44am Tue 29 Apr 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

Yankee1 wrote:
No doubt a tasteful, Saxon version of Boscombe's Police Tardis would suit.

Why not use The George? It is where the Masons used to meet.
So is Christchurch going to be what you 'Hick Town'?
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: No doubt a tasteful, Saxon version of Boscombe's Police Tardis would suit. Why not use The George? It is where the Masons used to meet.[/p][/quote]So is Christchurch going to be what you 'Hick Town'? HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 0

8:56am Tue 29 Apr 14

Ralph Horris says...

What crime occurs in Christchurch anyway, missing Worthers Originals, mobility scooter racing in the High Street in the early hours, fake designer tartan blankets being sold at the monday market.
Let Help the Aged and Saga mop up the mess they've created.
What crime occurs in Christchurch anyway, missing Worthers Originals, mobility scooter racing in the High Street in the early hours, fake designer tartan blankets being sold at the monday market. Let Help the Aged and Saga mop up the mess they've created. Ralph Horris
  • Score: -7

10:38am Tue 29 Apr 14

Baysider says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Maybe it is far more to do with the police force trying desperately to claw the money lost on the new Poole police station that has had to have a restrictive usage because the cells there are 3cm below the EU regulations, even though the PFI debt on that building is going to cost the taxpayers millions over the next 20-25 years because of the deal the police are tied into. I will say that this is only hearsay so if anyone in the know, knows different then do feel free to correct me.
Hearsay = very much made up in this case.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: Maybe it is far more to do with the police force trying desperately to claw the money lost on the new Poole police station that has had to have a restrictive usage because the cells there are 3cm below the EU regulations, even though the PFI debt on that building is going to cost the taxpayers millions over the next 20-25 years because of the deal the police are tied into. I will say that this is only hearsay so if anyone in the know, knows different then do feel free to correct me.[/p][/quote]Hearsay = very much made up in this case. Baysider
  • Score: -3

10:49am Tue 29 Apr 14

Frank28 says...

The Police Station is a prime redevelopment site. However, it would be so nice if it could be an open green space like the one opposite for people to enjoy. There aren't enough green spaces or pleasure gardens in our towns.
The Police Station is a prime redevelopment site. However, it would be so nice if it could be an open green space like the one opposite for people to enjoy. There aren't enough green spaces or pleasure gardens in our towns. Frank28
  • Score: 4

11:13am Tue 29 Apr 14

twynham says...

Anyone know if local councilors have invested in the site?
If so, a supermarket planning application guaranteed!
Anyone know if local councilors have invested in the site? If so, a supermarket planning application guaranteed! twynham
  • Score: 2

11:22am Tue 29 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Maybe it is far more to do with the police force trying desperately to claw the money lost on the new Poole police station that has had to have a restrictive usage because the cells there are 3cm below the EU regulations, even though the PFI debt on that building is going to cost the taxpayers millions over the next 20-25 years because of the deal the police are tied into. I will say that this is only hearsay so if anyone in the know, knows different then do feel free to correct me.
Hearsay = very much made up in this case.
Which part do you think has been made up exactly, the fact they built a new Police Station and can't use the cells or the fact it is now virtually empty and costing the taxpayer millions because of the PFI deals?
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: Maybe it is far more to do with the police force trying desperately to claw the money lost on the new Poole police station that has had to have a restrictive usage because the cells there are 3cm below the EU regulations, even though the PFI debt on that building is going to cost the taxpayers millions over the next 20-25 years because of the deal the police are tied into. I will say that this is only hearsay so if anyone in the know, knows different then do feel free to correct me.[/p][/quote]Hearsay = very much made up in this case.[/p][/quote]Which part do you think has been made up exactly, the fact they built a new Police Station and can't use the cells or the fact it is now virtually empty and costing the taxpayer millions because of the PFI deals? Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 4

11:41am Tue 29 Apr 14

Baysider says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Maybe it is far more to do with the police force trying desperately to claw the money lost on the new Poole police station that has had to have a restrictive usage because the cells there are 3cm below the EU regulations, even though the PFI debt on that building is going to cost the taxpayers millions over the next 20-25 years because of the deal the police are tied into. I will say that this is only hearsay so if anyone in the know, knows different then do feel free to correct me.
Hearsay = very much made up in this case.
Which part do you think has been made up exactly, the fact they built a new Police Station and can't use the cells or the fact it is now virtually empty and costing the taxpayer millions because of the PFI deals?
The bit where you attempt to blame the EU for the cells being incorrectly sized for starters. A simple Google search suggests there is no minimum size at all, let alone one decreed by Brussels.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: Maybe it is far more to do with the police force trying desperately to claw the money lost on the new Poole police station that has had to have a restrictive usage because the cells there are 3cm below the EU regulations, even though the PFI debt on that building is going to cost the taxpayers millions over the next 20-25 years because of the deal the police are tied into. I will say that this is only hearsay so if anyone in the know, knows different then do feel free to correct me.[/p][/quote]Hearsay = very much made up in this case.[/p][/quote]Which part do you think has been made up exactly, the fact they built a new Police Station and can't use the cells or the fact it is now virtually empty and costing the taxpayer millions because of the PFI deals?[/p][/quote]The bit where you attempt to blame the EU for the cells being incorrectly sized for starters. A simple Google search suggests there is no minimum size at all, let alone one decreed by Brussels. Baysider
  • Score: 6

12:09pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Crank says...

twynham wrote:
Anyone know if local councilors have invested in the site?
If so, a supermarket planning application guaranteed!
It's gone beyond that: in the 1990s Asda bought up every piece on that huge triangle of land (from the roundabout to Twynham Ave) that they could tempt people to sell. If a supermarket is built I can see nothing but hideousness - extra turn-off lane from the already 4-lane-wide Barrack Road; intensive and tall bright lights; night deliveries and constant noise.
I love the idea of Frank28 that it be open green space. Wonderful. I walked across it today and it is rich in daisies in the grass. Oh, impossible paradise!
[quote][p][bold]twynham[/bold] wrote: Anyone know if local councilors have invested in the site? If so, a supermarket planning application guaranteed![/p][/quote]It's gone beyond that: in the 1990s Asda bought up every piece on that huge triangle of land (from the roundabout to Twynham Ave) that they could tempt people to sell. If a supermarket is built I can see nothing but hideousness - extra turn-off lane from the already 4-lane-wide Barrack Road; intensive and tall bright lights; night deliveries and constant noise. I love the idea of Frank28 that it be open green space. Wonderful. I walked across it today and it is rich in daisies in the grass. Oh, impossible paradise! Crank
  • Score: 7

12:11pm Tue 29 Apr 14

woby_tide says...

twynham wrote:
Anyone know if local councilors have invested in the site?
If so, a supermarket planning application guaranteed!
The Conservative Club( shockingly) is one of the associated sites that needs to be included for the development by all accounts. Who'd have thought it.....
[quote][p][bold]twynham[/bold] wrote: Anyone know if local councilors have invested in the site? If so, a supermarket planning application guaranteed![/p][/quote]The Conservative Club( shockingly) is one of the associated sites that needs to be included for the development by all accounts. Who'd have thought it..... woby_tide
  • Score: 6

1:30pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Maybe it is far more to do with the police force trying desperately to claw the money lost on the new Poole police station that has had to have a restrictive usage because the cells there are 3cm below the EU regulations, even though the PFI debt on that building is going to cost the taxpayers millions over the next 20-25 years because of the deal the police are tied into. I will say that this is only hearsay so if anyone in the know, knows different then do feel free to correct me.
Hearsay = very much made up in this case.
Which part do you think has been made up exactly, the fact they built a new Police Station and can't use the cells or the fact it is now virtually empty and costing the taxpayer millions because of the PFI deals?
The bit where you attempt to blame the EU for the cells being incorrectly sized for starters. A simple Google search suggests there is no minimum size at all, let alone one decreed by Brussels.
18.1 The accommodation provided for prisoners, and in particular all sleeping accommodation, shall respect human dignity and, as far as possible, privacy, and meet the requirements of health and hygiene, due regard being paid to climatic conditions and especially to floor space, cubic content of air, lighting, heating and ventilation.

Apparently the cells in Poole's new police station did not conform to the regulations in respect of floor space and cubic content of air.

Out of interest if this is incorrect then why do you think they stopped using the cells ?
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: Maybe it is far more to do with the police force trying desperately to claw the money lost on the new Poole police station that has had to have a restrictive usage because the cells there are 3cm below the EU regulations, even though the PFI debt on that building is going to cost the taxpayers millions over the next 20-25 years because of the deal the police are tied into. I will say that this is only hearsay so if anyone in the know, knows different then do feel free to correct me.[/p][/quote]Hearsay = very much made up in this case.[/p][/quote]Which part do you think has been made up exactly, the fact they built a new Police Station and can't use the cells or the fact it is now virtually empty and costing the taxpayer millions because of the PFI deals?[/p][/quote]The bit where you attempt to blame the EU for the cells being incorrectly sized for starters. A simple Google search suggests there is no minimum size at all, let alone one decreed by Brussels.[/p][/quote]18.1 The accommodation provided for prisoners, and in particular all sleeping accommodation, shall respect human dignity and, as far as possible, privacy, and meet the requirements of health and hygiene, due regard being paid to climatic conditions and especially to floor space, cubic content of air, lighting, heating and ventilation. Apparently the cells in Poole's new police station did not conform to the regulations in respect of floor space and cubic content of air. Out of interest if this is incorrect then why do you think they stopped using the cells ? Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -2

1:37pm Tue 29 Apr 14

pete woodley says...

Yankee1 wrote:
No doubt a tasteful, Saxon version of Boscombe's Police Tardis would suit.

Why not use The George? It is where the Masons used to meet.
And what is wrong with the masons ?.
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: No doubt a tasteful, Saxon version of Boscombe's Police Tardis would suit. Why not use The George? It is where the Masons used to meet.[/p][/quote]And what is wrong with the masons ?. pete woodley
  • Score: 0

2:20pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Baysider says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Maybe it is far more to do with the police force trying desperately to claw the money lost on the new Poole police station that has had to have a restrictive usage because the cells there are 3cm below the EU regulations, even though the PFI debt on that building is going to cost the taxpayers millions over the next 20-25 years because of the deal the police are tied into. I will say that this is only hearsay so if anyone in the know, knows different then do feel free to correct me.
Hearsay = very much made up in this case.
Which part do you think has been made up exactly, the fact they built a new Police Station and can't use the cells or the fact it is now virtually empty and costing the taxpayer millions because of the PFI deals?
The bit where you attempt to blame the EU for the cells being incorrectly sized for starters. A simple Google search suggests there is no minimum size at all, let alone one decreed by Brussels.
18.1 The accommodation provided for prisoners, and in particular all sleeping accommodation, shall respect human dignity and, as far as possible, privacy, and meet the requirements of health and hygiene, due regard being paid to climatic conditions and especially to floor space, cubic content of air, lighting, heating and ventilation.

Apparently the cells in Poole's new police station did not conform to the regulations in respect of floor space and cubic content of air.

Out of interest if this is incorrect then why do you think they stopped using the cells ?
...so we are agreed then there is no statutory provisions as to floor space, let alone these being set by the EU or your quoted 3cms short if your non existent EU regulations?

I have no idea why they are not in use tbh. If I had to guess I'd say it was probably because they are forced through cuts to consolidate custody arrangements into one station and Bournemouth was closest to most arrests.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: Maybe it is far more to do with the police force trying desperately to claw the money lost on the new Poole police station that has had to have a restrictive usage because the cells there are 3cm below the EU regulations, even though the PFI debt on that building is going to cost the taxpayers millions over the next 20-25 years because of the deal the police are tied into. I will say that this is only hearsay so if anyone in the know, knows different then do feel free to correct me.[/p][/quote]Hearsay = very much made up in this case.[/p][/quote]Which part do you think has been made up exactly, the fact they built a new Police Station and can't use the cells or the fact it is now virtually empty and costing the taxpayer millions because of the PFI deals?[/p][/quote]The bit where you attempt to blame the EU for the cells being incorrectly sized for starters. A simple Google search suggests there is no minimum size at all, let alone one decreed by Brussels.[/p][/quote]18.1 The accommodation provided for prisoners, and in particular all sleeping accommodation, shall respect human dignity and, as far as possible, privacy, and meet the requirements of health and hygiene, due regard being paid to climatic conditions and especially to floor space, cubic content of air, lighting, heating and ventilation. Apparently the cells in Poole's new police station did not conform to the regulations in respect of floor space and cubic content of air. Out of interest if this is incorrect then why do you think they stopped using the cells ?[/p][/quote]...so we are agreed then there is no statutory provisions as to floor space, let alone these being set by the EU or your quoted 3cms short if your non existent EU regulations? I have no idea why they are not in use tbh. If I had to guess I'd say it was probably because they are forced through cuts to consolidate custody arrangements into one station and Bournemouth was closest to most arrests. Baysider
  • Score: 2

3:03pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Maybe it is far more to do with the police force trying desperately to claw the money lost on the new Poole police station that has had to have a restrictive usage because the cells there are 3cm below the EU regulations, even though the PFI debt on that building is going to cost the taxpayers millions over the next 20-25 years because of the deal the police are tied into. I will say that this is only hearsay so if anyone in the know, knows different then do feel free to correct me.
Hearsay = very much made up in this case.
Which part do you think has been made up exactly, the fact they built a new Police Station and can't use the cells or the fact it is now virtually empty and costing the taxpayer millions because of the PFI deals?
The bit where you attempt to blame the EU for the cells being incorrectly sized for starters. A simple Google search suggests there is no minimum size at all, let alone one decreed by Brussels.
18.1 The accommodation provided for prisoners, and in particular all sleeping accommodation, shall respect human dignity and, as far as possible, privacy, and meet the requirements of health and hygiene, due regard being paid to climatic conditions and especially to floor space, cubic content of air, lighting, heating and ventilation.

Apparently the cells in Poole's new police station did not conform to the regulations in respect of floor space and cubic content of air.

Out of interest if this is incorrect then why do you think they stopped using the cells ?
...so we are agreed then there is no statutory provisions as to floor space, let alone these being set by the EU or your quoted 3cms short if your non existent EU regulations?

I have no idea why they are not in use tbh. If I had to guess I'd say it was probably because they are forced through cuts to consolidate custody arrangements into one station and Bournemouth was closest to most arrests.
How can we be in agreement if I have just copied and pasted the EU information in respect of cell sizes, directly from the EU parliament website?

There are EU regulations that have to be adhered to, you obviously think that there are not. Only one of us is wrong ;)
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: Maybe it is far more to do with the police force trying desperately to claw the money lost on the new Poole police station that has had to have a restrictive usage because the cells there are 3cm below the EU regulations, even though the PFI debt on that building is going to cost the taxpayers millions over the next 20-25 years because of the deal the police are tied into. I will say that this is only hearsay so if anyone in the know, knows different then do feel free to correct me.[/p][/quote]Hearsay = very much made up in this case.[/p][/quote]Which part do you think has been made up exactly, the fact they built a new Police Station and can't use the cells or the fact it is now virtually empty and costing the taxpayer millions because of the PFI deals?[/p][/quote]The bit where you attempt to blame the EU for the cells being incorrectly sized for starters. A simple Google search suggests there is no minimum size at all, let alone one decreed by Brussels.[/p][/quote]18.1 The accommodation provided for prisoners, and in particular all sleeping accommodation, shall respect human dignity and, as far as possible, privacy, and meet the requirements of health and hygiene, due regard being paid to climatic conditions and especially to floor space, cubic content of air, lighting, heating and ventilation. Apparently the cells in Poole's new police station did not conform to the regulations in respect of floor space and cubic content of air. Out of interest if this is incorrect then why do you think they stopped using the cells ?[/p][/quote]...so we are agreed then there is no statutory provisions as to floor space, let alone these being set by the EU or your quoted 3cms short if your non existent EU regulations? I have no idea why they are not in use tbh. If I had to guess I'd say it was probably because they are forced through cuts to consolidate custody arrangements into one station and Bournemouth was closest to most arrests.[/p][/quote]How can we be in agreement if I have just copied and pasted the EU information in respect of cell sizes, directly from the EU parliament website? There are EU regulations that have to be adhered to, you obviously think that there are not. Only one of us is wrong ;) Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -3

3:24pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Baysider says...

Could you provide the name of these Regulations please?
Could you provide the name of these Regulations please? Baysider
  • Score: 1

3:29pm Tue 29 Apr 14

High Treason says...

Controversial But True wrote:
The PCSOs (do we have real police anymore?) will just have to pop into Waitrose for their free coffee instead!!
And be able to park in disabled bays.
[quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: The PCSOs (do we have real police anymore?) will just have to pop into Waitrose for their free coffee instead!![/p][/quote]And be able to park in disabled bays. High Treason
  • Score: 1

5:07pm Tue 29 Apr 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

Baysider wrote:
Could you provide the name of these Regulations please?
European Prison Rules
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Could you provide the name of these Regulations please?[/p][/quote]European Prison Rules HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 1

8:28pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Baysider says...

HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Could you provide the name of these Regulations please?
European Prison Rules
So that's a NO then. There are NO statutory regulations set out in either EU or UK law setting out the minimum size of a prison cell.

Yes there are "recommendations" as to the treatment of prisoners but nothing requiring UK cells or any other in the EU to be a certain dimension, let alone the ones in Poole failing this imaginary "PC gone mad" test.

UKIP all over innit!
[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Could you provide the name of these Regulations please?[/p][/quote]European Prison Rules[/p][/quote]So that's a NO then. There are NO statutory regulations set out in either EU or UK law setting out the minimum size of a prison cell. Yes there are "recommendations" as to the treatment of prisoners but nothing requiring UK cells or any other in the EU to be a certain dimension, let alone the ones in Poole failing this imaginary "PC gone mad" test. UKIP all over innit! Baysider
  • Score: 4

8:53pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Baysider says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Maybe it is far more to do with the police force trying desperately to claw the money lost on the new Poole police station that has had to have a restrictive usage because the cells there are 3cm below the EU regulations, even though the PFI debt on that building is going to cost the taxpayers millions over the next 20-25 years because of the deal the police are tied into. I will say that this is only hearsay so if anyone in the know, knows different then do feel free to correct me.
Hearsay = very much made up in this case.
Which part do you think has been made up exactly, the fact they built a new Police Station and can't use the cells or the fact it is now virtually empty and costing the taxpayer millions because of the PFI deals?
The bit where you attempt to blame the EU for the cells being incorrectly sized for starters. A simple Google search suggests there is no minimum size at all, let alone one decreed by Brussels.
18.1 The accommodation provided for prisoners, and in particular all sleeping accommodation, shall respect human dignity and, as far as possible, privacy, and meet the requirements of health and hygiene, due regard being paid to climatic conditions and especially to floor space, cubic content of air, lighting, heating and ventilation.

Apparently the cells in Poole's new police station did not conform to the regulations in respect of floor space and cubic content of air.

Out of interest if this is incorrect then why do you think they stopped using the cells ?
...so we are agreed then there is no statutory provisions as to floor space, let alone these being set by the EU or your quoted 3cms short if your non existent EU regulations?

I have no idea why they are not in use tbh. If I had to guess I'd say it was probably because they are forced through cuts to consolidate custody arrangements into one station and Bournemouth was closest to most arrests.
How can we be in agreement if I have just copied and pasted the EU information in respect of cell sizes, directly from the EU parliament website?

There are EU regulations that have to be adhered to, you obviously think that there are not. Only one of us is wrong ;)
Quite and it's not me.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: Maybe it is far more to do with the police force trying desperately to claw the money lost on the new Poole police station that has had to have a restrictive usage because the cells there are 3cm below the EU regulations, even though the PFI debt on that building is going to cost the taxpayers millions over the next 20-25 years because of the deal the police are tied into. I will say that this is only hearsay so if anyone in the know, knows different then do feel free to correct me.[/p][/quote]Hearsay = very much made up in this case.[/p][/quote]Which part do you think has been made up exactly, the fact they built a new Police Station and can't use the cells or the fact it is now virtually empty and costing the taxpayer millions because of the PFI deals?[/p][/quote]The bit where you attempt to blame the EU for the cells being incorrectly sized for starters. A simple Google search suggests there is no minimum size at all, let alone one decreed by Brussels.[/p][/quote]18.1 The accommodation provided for prisoners, and in particular all sleeping accommodation, shall respect human dignity and, as far as possible, privacy, and meet the requirements of health and hygiene, due regard being paid to climatic conditions and especially to floor space, cubic content of air, lighting, heating and ventilation. Apparently the cells in Poole's new police station did not conform to the regulations in respect of floor space and cubic content of air. Out of interest if this is incorrect then why do you think they stopped using the cells ?[/p][/quote]...so we are agreed then there is no statutory provisions as to floor space, let alone these being set by the EU or your quoted 3cms short if your non existent EU regulations? I have no idea why they are not in use tbh. If I had to guess I'd say it was probably because they are forced through cuts to consolidate custody arrangements into one station and Bournemouth was closest to most arrests.[/p][/quote]How can we be in agreement if I have just copied and pasted the EU information in respect of cell sizes, directly from the EU parliament website? There are EU regulations that have to be adhered to, you obviously think that there are not. Only one of us is wrong ;)[/p][/quote]Quite and it's not me. Baysider
  • Score: 4

9:15pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Bob49 says...

"How can we be in agreement if I have just copied and pasted the EU information in respect of cell sizes, directly from the EU parliament website?


Why not post it up on here, or put up a link so everyone can read for themselves ?"
"How can we be in agreement if I have just copied and pasted the EU information in respect of cell sizes, directly from the EU parliament website? Why not post it up on here, or put up a link so everyone can read for themselves ?" Bob49
  • Score: 3

10:05pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Baysider says...

Bob49 wrote:
"How can we be in agreement if I have just copied and pasted the EU information in respect of cell sizes, directly from the EU parliament website?


Why not post it up on here, or put up a link so everyone can read for themselves ?"
He won't because it's only a committee report setting out some very general principles that are actually hard to disagree with in a civilised society. There's zero mention of cell sizes beyond what he's posted already from what I can see.

All too typical of UKIP supporters to propagate lies, myths and half truths in an attempt to blame the EU for every percieved problem.
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "How can we be in agreement if I have just copied and pasted the EU information in respect of cell sizes, directly from the EU parliament website? Why not post it up on here, or put up a link so everyone can read for themselves ?"[/p][/quote]He won't because it's only a committee report setting out some very general principles that are actually hard to disagree with in a civilised society. There's zero mention of cell sizes beyond what he's posted already from what I can see. All too typical of UKIP supporters to propagate lies, myths and half truths in an attempt to blame the EU for every percieved problem. Baysider
  • Score: 1

10:38pm Tue 29 Apr 14

BIGTONE says...

What I would like to know is where will they keep alleged offenders in custody at the weekends if Bournemouth/Poole/We
ymouth are full?
What I would like to know is where will they keep alleged offenders in custody at the weekends if Bournemouth/Poole/We ymouth are full? BIGTONE
  • Score: 0

11:29am Wed 30 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Baysider wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
"How can we be in agreement if I have just copied and pasted the EU information in respect of cell sizes, directly from the EU parliament website?


Why not post it up on here, or put up a link so everyone can read for themselves ?"
He won't because it's only a committee report setting out some very general principles that are actually hard to disagree with in a civilised society. There's zero mention of cell sizes beyond what he's posted already from what I can see.

All too typical of UKIP supporters to propagate lies, myths and half truths in an attempt to blame the EU for every percieved problem.
Well why don't you do the sensible thing and ask Martyn Underhill, instead of trying to make me out to be a liar whilst hiding behind your anonymous account. Have you even heard of CBT ?

It won't just be Christchurch police station closing down it will be Police stations up and down the country closing because they simply do not meet the EU regulations and in many cases the cost of bringing them up to standard is either simply not economically viable or just impossible. That is not a lie, myth or half truth, it is a fact.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "How can we be in agreement if I have just copied and pasted the EU information in respect of cell sizes, directly from the EU parliament website? Why not post it up on here, or put up a link so everyone can read for themselves ?"[/p][/quote]He won't because it's only a committee report setting out some very general principles that are actually hard to disagree with in a civilised society. There's zero mention of cell sizes beyond what he's posted already from what I can see. All too typical of UKIP supporters to propagate lies, myths and half truths in an attempt to blame the EU for every percieved problem.[/p][/quote]Well why don't you do the sensible thing and ask Martyn Underhill, instead of trying to make me out to be a liar whilst hiding behind your anonymous account. Have you even heard of CBT ? It won't just be Christchurch police station closing down it will be Police stations up and down the country closing because they simply do not meet the EU regulations and in many cases the cost of bringing them up to standard is either simply not economically viable or just impossible. That is not a lie, myth or half truth, it is a fact. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -2

11:33am Wed 30 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Bob49 wrote:
"How can we be in agreement if I have just copied and pasted the EU information in respect of cell sizes, directly from the EU parliament website?


Why not post it up on here, or put up a link so everyone can read for themselves ?"
The documentation I have is a pdf that was sent to me, though this will show you the rules I am referring to. Read RULE 18 of this document and you may understand the problems the Police now face trying to conform to these standards.

http://www.coe.int/t
/dghl/standardsettin
g/prisons/E%20commen
tary%20to%20the%20EP
R.pdf
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "How can we be in agreement if I have just copied and pasted the EU information in respect of cell sizes, directly from the EU parliament website? Why not post it up on here, or put up a link so everyone can read for themselves ?"[/p][/quote]The documentation I have is a pdf that was sent to me, though this will show you the rules I am referring to. Read RULE 18 of this document and you may understand the problems the Police now face trying to conform to these standards. http://www.coe.int/t /dghl/standardsettin g/prisons/E%20commen tary%20to%20the%20EP R.pdf Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 0

11:49am Wed 30 Apr 14

Baysider says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
"How can we be in agreement if I have just copied and pasted the EU information in respect of cell sizes, directly from the EU parliament website?


Why not post it up on here, or put up a link so everyone can read for themselves ?"
He won't because it's only a committee report setting out some very general principles that are actually hard to disagree with in a civilised society. There's zero mention of cell sizes beyond what he's posted already from what I can see.

All too typical of UKIP supporters to propagate lies, myths and half truths in an attempt to blame the EU for every percieved problem.
Well why don't you do the sensible thing and ask Martyn Underhill, instead of trying to make me out to be a liar whilst hiding behind your anonymous account. Have you even heard of CBT ?

It won't just be Christchurch police station closing down it will be Police stations up and down the country closing because they simply do not meet the EU regulations and in many cases the cost of bringing them up to standard is either simply not economically viable or just impossible. That is not a lie, myth or half truth, it is a fact.
Most people, when they have been proven to be factually incorrect, might consider apologising and accepting they were wrong.

Apparently not you though. You'd rather persist with your view that these are statutory obligations that are going to lead to police stations closing all over the shop. THERE ARE NO MINIMUM SIZES FOR PRISON CELLS SET OUT BY UK, EU OR ANY OTHER LAW...admit it and move on?
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "How can we be in agreement if I have just copied and pasted the EU information in respect of cell sizes, directly from the EU parliament website? Why not post it up on here, or put up a link so everyone can read for themselves ?"[/p][/quote]He won't because it's only a committee report setting out some very general principles that are actually hard to disagree with in a civilised society. There's zero mention of cell sizes beyond what he's posted already from what I can see. All too typical of UKIP supporters to propagate lies, myths and half truths in an attempt to blame the EU for every percieved problem.[/p][/quote]Well why don't you do the sensible thing and ask Martyn Underhill, instead of trying to make me out to be a liar whilst hiding behind your anonymous account. Have you even heard of CBT ? It won't just be Christchurch police station closing down it will be Police stations up and down the country closing because they simply do not meet the EU regulations and in many cases the cost of bringing them up to standard is either simply not economically viable or just impossible. That is not a lie, myth or half truth, it is a fact.[/p][/quote]Most people, when they have been proven to be factually incorrect, might consider apologising and accepting they were wrong. Apparently not you though. You'd rather persist with your view that these are statutory obligations that are going to lead to police stations closing all over the shop. THERE ARE NO MINIMUM SIZES FOR PRISON CELLS SET OUT BY UK, EU OR ANY OTHER LAW...admit it and move on? Baysider
  • Score: 2

12:37pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
"How can we be in agreement if I have just copied and pasted the EU information in respect of cell sizes, directly from the EU parliament website?


Why not post it up on here, or put up a link so everyone can read for themselves ?"
He won't because it's only a committee report setting out some very general principles that are actually hard to disagree with in a civilised society. There's zero mention of cell sizes beyond what he's posted already from what I can see.

All too typical of UKIP supporters to propagate lies, myths and half truths in an attempt to blame the EU for every percieved problem.
Well why don't you do the sensible thing and ask Martyn Underhill, instead of trying to make me out to be a liar whilst hiding behind your anonymous account. Have you even heard of CBT ?

It won't just be Christchurch police station closing down it will be Police stations up and down the country closing because they simply do not meet the EU regulations and in many cases the cost of bringing them up to standard is either simply not economically viable or just impossible. That is not a lie, myth or half truth, it is a fact.
Most people, when they have been proven to be factually incorrect, might consider apologising and accepting they were wrong.

Apparently not you though. You'd rather persist with your view that these are statutory obligations that are going to lead to police stations closing all over the shop. THERE ARE NO MINIMUM SIZES FOR PRISON CELLS SET OUT BY UK, EU OR ANY OTHER LAW...admit it and move on?
Do feel free to tell explain exactly what the purpose of a CBT inspection on a police station is all about then, everyone has the right to be stupid but you are simply abusing it!

There regulations on cell sizes, there are also regulations on natural light in those cells, you can no longer have opaqued glass windows either that my anonymous friend is actually a fact, so why would I need to apologise for point it out ?
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "How can we be in agreement if I have just copied and pasted the EU information in respect of cell sizes, directly from the EU parliament website? Why not post it up on here, or put up a link so everyone can read for themselves ?"[/p][/quote]He won't because it's only a committee report setting out some very general principles that are actually hard to disagree with in a civilised society. There's zero mention of cell sizes beyond what he's posted already from what I can see. All too typical of UKIP supporters to propagate lies, myths and half truths in an attempt to blame the EU for every percieved problem.[/p][/quote]Well why don't you do the sensible thing and ask Martyn Underhill, instead of trying to make me out to be a liar whilst hiding behind your anonymous account. Have you even heard of CBT ? It won't just be Christchurch police station closing down it will be Police stations up and down the country closing because they simply do not meet the EU regulations and in many cases the cost of bringing them up to standard is either simply not economically viable or just impossible. That is not a lie, myth or half truth, it is a fact.[/p][/quote]Most people, when they have been proven to be factually incorrect, might consider apologising and accepting they were wrong. Apparently not you though. You'd rather persist with your view that these are statutory obligations that are going to lead to police stations closing all over the shop. THERE ARE NO MINIMUM SIZES FOR PRISON CELLS SET OUT BY UK, EU OR ANY OTHER LAW...admit it and move on?[/p][/quote]Do feel free to tell explain exactly what the purpose of a CBT inspection on a police station is all about then, everyone has the right to be stupid but you are simply abusing it! There regulations on cell sizes, there are also regulations on natural light in those cells, you can no longer have opaqued glass windows either that my anonymous friend is actually a fact, so why would I need to apologise for point it out ? Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 0

1:39pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Baysider says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
"How can we be in agreement if I have just copied and pasted the EU information in respect of cell sizes, directly from the EU parliament website?


Why not post it up on here, or put up a link so everyone can read for themselves ?"
He won't because it's only a committee report setting out some very general principles that are actually hard to disagree with in a civilised society. There's zero mention of cell sizes beyond what he's posted already from what I can see.

All too typical of UKIP supporters to propagate lies, myths and half truths in an attempt to blame the EU for every percieved problem.
Well why don't you do the sensible thing and ask Martyn Underhill, instead of trying to make me out to be a liar whilst hiding behind your anonymous account. Have you even heard of CBT ?

It won't just be Christchurch police station closing down it will be Police stations up and down the country closing because they simply do not meet the EU regulations and in many cases the cost of bringing them up to standard is either simply not economically viable or just impossible. That is not a lie, myth or half truth, it is a fact.
Most people, when they have been proven to be factually incorrect, might consider apologising and accepting they were wrong.

Apparently not you though. You'd rather persist with your view that these are statutory obligations that are going to lead to police stations closing all over the shop. THERE ARE NO MINIMUM SIZES FOR PRISON CELLS SET OUT BY UK, EU OR ANY OTHER LAW...admit it and move on?
Do feel free to tell explain exactly what the purpose of a CBT inspection on a police station is all about then, everyone has the right to be stupid but you are simply abusing it!

There regulations on cell sizes, there are also regulations on natural light in those cells, you can no longer have opaqued glass windows either that my anonymous friend is actually a fact, so why would I need to apologise for point it out ?
I'll ask again. What are the name of these regulations requiring cells to be a certain size?

It's a very simple question and I'll happily apologise if you can direct me to the piece of LAW requiring this, not guidance or a discussion document or an advisory piece to a committee.

Over to you.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "How can we be in agreement if I have just copied and pasted the EU information in respect of cell sizes, directly from the EU parliament website? Why not post it up on here, or put up a link so everyone can read for themselves ?"[/p][/quote]He won't because it's only a committee report setting out some very general principles that are actually hard to disagree with in a civilised society. There's zero mention of cell sizes beyond what he's posted already from what I can see. All too typical of UKIP supporters to propagate lies, myths and half truths in an attempt to blame the EU for every percieved problem.[/p][/quote]Well why don't you do the sensible thing and ask Martyn Underhill, instead of trying to make me out to be a liar whilst hiding behind your anonymous account. Have you even heard of CBT ? It won't just be Christchurch police station closing down it will be Police stations up and down the country closing because they simply do not meet the EU regulations and in many cases the cost of bringing them up to standard is either simply not economically viable or just impossible. That is not a lie, myth or half truth, it is a fact.[/p][/quote]Most people, when they have been proven to be factually incorrect, might consider apologising and accepting they were wrong. Apparently not you though. You'd rather persist with your view that these are statutory obligations that are going to lead to police stations closing all over the shop. THERE ARE NO MINIMUM SIZES FOR PRISON CELLS SET OUT BY UK, EU OR ANY OTHER LAW...admit it and move on?[/p][/quote]Do feel free to tell explain exactly what the purpose of a CBT inspection on a police station is all about then, everyone has the right to be stupid but you are simply abusing it! There regulations on cell sizes, there are also regulations on natural light in those cells, you can no longer have opaqued glass windows either that my anonymous friend is actually a fact, so why would I need to apologise for point it out ?[/p][/quote]I'll ask again. What are the name of these regulations requiring cells to be a certain size? It's a very simple question and I'll happily apologise if you can direct me to the piece of LAW requiring this, not guidance or a discussion document or an advisory piece to a committee. Over to you. Baysider
  • Score: 0

5:20pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Crank says...

This 'dialogue' has got so utterly stupid and off the point. Any politician or developer reading this oneupmanship exercise would be crowing with delight about the ridiculous commentators, who simply cannot focus on the issues raised in the article which will have immense consequences for our town.
Rome and burning fiddles spring to mind.
This 'dialogue' has got so utterly stupid and off the point. Any politician or developer reading this oneupmanship exercise would be crowing with delight about the ridiculous commentators, who simply cannot focus on the issues raised in the article which will have immense consequences for our town. Rome and burning fiddles spring to mind. Crank
  • Score: 1

9:36pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Baysider says...

Crank wrote:
This 'dialogue' has got so utterly stupid and off the point. Any politician or developer reading this oneupmanship exercise would be crowing with delight about the ridiculous commentators, who simply cannot focus on the issues raised in the article which will have immense consequences for our town.
Rome and burning fiddles spring to mind.
You're absolutely right and it's as boring for me as to others but when posters spout such politically driven, factually incorrect rubbish I don't think it's unreasonable to challenge them to back their statement up. Not to do leads to myths lies and opinions becoming facts in others eyes.
[quote][p][bold]Crank[/bold] wrote: This 'dialogue' has got so utterly stupid and off the point. Any politician or developer reading this oneupmanship exercise would be crowing with delight about the ridiculous commentators, who simply cannot focus on the issues raised in the article which will have immense consequences for our town. Rome and burning fiddles spring to mind.[/p][/quote]You're absolutely right and it's as boring for me as to others but when posters spout such politically driven, factually incorrect rubbish I don't think it's unreasonable to challenge them to back their statement up. Not to do leads to myths lies and opinions becoming facts in others eyes. Baysider
  • Score: 1

9:53am Thu 1 May 14

EGHH says...

The idea of reducing a police presence anywhere is stupid. We need more of a police presence not hobby bobbies (PCSOs) with proper police stations, not a counter in Asda etc. Since this govt has been in power we've seen cuts in our armed forces so now a small state like Israel has more troops and combat aircraft, police forces reduced in funding so that are struggling to investigate crime.
The idea of reducing a police presence anywhere is stupid. We need more of a police presence not hobby bobbies (PCSOs) with proper police stations, not a counter in Asda etc. Since this govt has been in power we've seen cuts in our armed forces so now a small state like Israel has more troops and combat aircraft, police forces reduced in funding so that are struggling to investigate crime. EGHH
  • Score: 0

10:15am Thu 1 May 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
"How can we be in agreement if I have just copied and pasted the EU information in respect of cell sizes, directly from the EU parliament website?


Why not post it up on here, or put up a link so everyone can read for themselves ?"
He won't because it's only a committee report setting out some very general principles that are actually hard to disagree with in a civilised society. There's zero mention of cell sizes beyond what he's posted already from what I can see.

All too typical of UKIP supporters to propagate lies, myths and half truths in an attempt to blame the EU for every percieved problem.
Well why don't you do the sensible thing and ask Martyn Underhill, instead of trying to make me out to be a liar whilst hiding behind your anonymous account. Have you even heard of CBT ?

It won't just be Christchurch police station closing down it will be Police stations up and down the country closing because they simply do not meet the EU regulations and in many cases the cost of bringing them up to standard is either simply not economically viable or just impossible. That is not a lie, myth or half truth, it is a fact.
Most people, when they have been proven to be factually incorrect, might consider apologising and accepting they were wrong.

Apparently not you though. You'd rather persist with your view that these are statutory obligations that are going to lead to police stations closing all over the shop. THERE ARE NO MINIMUM SIZES FOR PRISON CELLS SET OUT BY UK, EU OR ANY OTHER LAW...admit it and move on?
Do feel free to tell explain exactly what the purpose of a CBT inspection on a police station is all about then, everyone has the right to be stupid but you are simply abusing it!

There regulations on cell sizes, there are also regulations on natural light in those cells, you can no longer have opaqued glass windows either that my anonymous friend is actually a fact, so why would I need to apologise for point it out ?
I'll ask again. What are the name of these regulations requiring cells to be a certain size?

It's a very simple question and I'll happily apologise if you can direct me to the piece of LAW requiring this, not guidance or a discussion document or an advisory piece to a committee.

Over to you.
http://www.coe.int/t

/dghl/standardsettin

g/prisons/E%20commen

tary%20to%20the%20EP

R.pdf
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "How can we be in agreement if I have just copied and pasted the EU information in respect of cell sizes, directly from the EU parliament website? Why not post it up on here, or put up a link so everyone can read for themselves ?"[/p][/quote]He won't because it's only a committee report setting out some very general principles that are actually hard to disagree with in a civilised society. There's zero mention of cell sizes beyond what he's posted already from what I can see. All too typical of UKIP supporters to propagate lies, myths and half truths in an attempt to blame the EU for every percieved problem.[/p][/quote]Well why don't you do the sensible thing and ask Martyn Underhill, instead of trying to make me out to be a liar whilst hiding behind your anonymous account. Have you even heard of CBT ? It won't just be Christchurch police station closing down it will be Police stations up and down the country closing because they simply do not meet the EU regulations and in many cases the cost of bringing them up to standard is either simply not economically viable or just impossible. That is not a lie, myth or half truth, it is a fact.[/p][/quote]Most people, when they have been proven to be factually incorrect, might consider apologising and accepting they were wrong. Apparently not you though. You'd rather persist with your view that these are statutory obligations that are going to lead to police stations closing all over the shop. THERE ARE NO MINIMUM SIZES FOR PRISON CELLS SET OUT BY UK, EU OR ANY OTHER LAW...admit it and move on?[/p][/quote]Do feel free to tell explain exactly what the purpose of a CBT inspection on a police station is all about then, everyone has the right to be stupid but you are simply abusing it! There regulations on cell sizes, there are also regulations on natural light in those cells, you can no longer have opaqued glass windows either that my anonymous friend is actually a fact, so why would I need to apologise for point it out ?[/p][/quote]I'll ask again. What are the name of these regulations requiring cells to be a certain size? It's a very simple question and I'll happily apologise if you can direct me to the piece of LAW requiring this, not guidance or a discussion document or an advisory piece to a committee. Over to you.[/p][/quote]http://www.coe.int/t /dghl/standardsettin g/prisons/E%20commen tary%20to%20the%20EP R.pdf Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 0

3:58pm Sat 3 May 14

LJT1966 says...

If sold would put a sizeable bet on yet more retirement properties being built on the land. As a local I have been on housing waiting list for 6 years and will be forever more at this rate. Should be used for affordable housing for locals only.
If sold would put a sizeable bet on yet more retirement properties being built on the land. As a local I have been on housing waiting list for 6 years and will be forever more at this rate. Should be used for affordable housing for locals only. LJT1966
  • Score: 0

4:06pm Sat 3 May 14

breamoreboy says...

BIGTONE wrote:
What I would like to know is where will they keep alleged offenders in custody at the weekends if Bournemouth/Poole/We

ymouth are full?
Plenty of room at Christchurch as it's not used. I understand that the cells actually extend right under Barrack Road. Can someone confirm that this is true or is it yet another myth?
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: What I would like to know is where will they keep alleged offenders in custody at the weekends if Bournemouth/Poole/We ymouth are full?[/p][/quote]Plenty of room at Christchurch as it's not used. I understand that the cells actually extend right under Barrack Road. Can someone confirm that this is true or is it yet another myth? breamoreboy
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