Call for council to ‘abide by covenant’ after controversial tree felling at Druitt Gardens

PROTESTS: Residents rallied to fight for trees at Druitt Gardens in Christchurch

PROTESTS: Residents rallied to fight for trees at Druitt Gardens in Christchurch

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RESIDENTS frustrated over the ongoing Druitt Gardens saga attended a packed council meeting in Christchurch this week.

Around 40 gathered at the Civic Offices to listen to councillors at the Community Services Committee after submitting two petitions over the protected land in the town centre in February.

Campaigners called for the council to abide by the covenant put on the gardens by Charlotte Druitt, who bequeathed them to Dorset County Council in 1946.

But councillors defended their work, and voted to support a recommendation that work undertaken by officers – in line with decisions taken by the council – were formally noted.

The petition, signed by 184 people, requested that the council “abide by the covenants”, which specify that the gardens should be used and maintained “as a town centre woodland, a nature reserve and public open space for the enjoyment of the general public”.

Councillor David Jones, pictured, questioned whether the land could be considered woodland, and said: “I have seen a description of this area as parkland.

“It occurs to me that this is all a question of interpretation. What is our defence if Dorset County Council were to seek to enforce this covenant on the basis that what we have created is not actually woodland, but managed parkland?”

Campaigners say the controversial felling of four protected trees in February had already breached the covenant.

Cllr Bernie Davies said: “The gardens are a living environment and will improve over the years. Despite what some people think, Miss Druitt might be pleased with what it might look like. I think it will look really good.”

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9:44am Sun 27 Apr 14

Lord Spring says...

Campaigners called for the council to abide by the covenant put on the gardens by Charlotte Druitt, who bequeathed them to Dorset County Council in 1946.

What had Christchurch to do with Dorset in 1946.
Campaigners called for the council to abide by the covenant put on the gardens by Charlotte Druitt, who bequeathed them to Dorset County Council in 1946. What had Christchurch to do with Dorset in 1946. Lord Spring
  • Score: 27

9:49am Sun 27 Apr 14

billy bumble says...

haha - good spot Lord Spring

I agree that the open space should be preserved and that this dreadful Council acted male fides with regard to the tree felling

But the Druitt covenant was breached as far back as 1953 when that nasty prefab was built
haha - good spot Lord Spring I agree that the open space should be preserved and that this dreadful Council acted male fides with regard to the tree felling But the Druitt covenant was breached as far back as 1953 when that nasty prefab was built billy bumble
  • Score: 14

10:29am Sun 27 Apr 14

skydriver says...

Yet another reason Christchurch council are not fit for purpose from the leader down. The time has now come for them all to do the correct thing, for once , and resign. We can then start a fresh with a clean slate and NO hidden agendas , or possible corruption.
Yet another reason Christchurch council are not fit for purpose from the leader down. The time has now come for them all to do the correct thing, for once , and resign. We can then start a fresh with a clean slate and NO hidden agendas , or possible corruption. skydriver
  • Score: 32

10:58am Sun 27 Apr 14

selectortone says...

What pathetic excuses for wanton vandalism. Those councillors know in their hearts they are wrong. The whole thing stinks of brown envelopes and backhanders.
What pathetic excuses for wanton vandalism. Those councillors know in their hearts they are wrong. The whole thing stinks of brown envelopes and backhanders. selectortone
  • Score: 34

12:38pm Sun 27 Apr 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Lord Spring wrote:
Campaigners called for the council to abide by the covenant put on the gardens by Charlotte Druitt, who bequeathed them to Dorset County Council in 1946.

What had Christchurch to do with Dorset in 1946.
What a silly post.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: Campaigners called for the council to abide by the covenant put on the gardens by Charlotte Druitt, who bequeathed them to Dorset County Council in 1946. What had Christchurch to do with Dorset in 1946.[/p][/quote]What a silly post. Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: -18

12:51pm Sun 27 Apr 14

billy bumble says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
Campaigners called for the council to abide by the covenant put on the gardens by Charlotte Druitt, who bequeathed them to Dorset County Council in 1946.

What had Christchurch to do with Dorset in 1946.
What a silly post.
Perhaps you would explain why you think it's silly
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: Campaigners called for the council to abide by the covenant put on the gardens by Charlotte Druitt, who bequeathed them to Dorset County Council in 1946. What had Christchurch to do with Dorset in 1946.[/p][/quote]What a silly post.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you would explain why you think it's silly billy bumble
  • Score: 19

1:34pm Sun 27 Apr 14

muscliffman says...

Lord Spring wrote:
Campaigners called for the council to abide by the covenant put on the gardens by Charlotte Druitt, who bequeathed them to Dorset County Council in 1946.

What had Christchurch to do with Dorset in 1946.
Good point, but I suspect there might well be a local authority version of the 'transfer of undertakings' legislation.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: Campaigners called for the council to abide by the covenant put on the gardens by Charlotte Druitt, who bequeathed them to Dorset County Council in 1946. What had Christchurch to do with Dorset in 1946.[/p][/quote]Good point, but I suspect there might well be a local authority version of the 'transfer of undertakings' legislation. muscliffman
  • Score: 10

2:22pm Sun 27 Apr 14

damnlion says...

Usual
Usual damnlion
  • Score: 0

2:26pm Sun 27 Apr 14

damnlion says...

Usual shoddy Echo reporting.....the gardens were bequeathed to Hampshire County Council and only passed to Dorset much later .....Charlotte gave them to the county because she, rightly, did not trust Christchurch.
Cllr Bernie Davies said: “The gardens are a living environment and will improve over the years. Despite what some people think, Miss Druitt might be pleased with what it might look like. I think it will look really good.”
I think not Cllr Davies !!!!
Usual shoddy Echo reporting.....the gardens were bequeathed to Hampshire County Council and only passed to Dorset much later .....Charlotte gave them to the county because she, rightly, did not trust Christchurch. Cllr Bernie Davies said: “The gardens are a living environment and will improve over the years. Despite what some people think, Miss Druitt might be pleased with what it might look like. I think it will look really good.” I think not Cllr Davies !!!! damnlion
  • Score: 16

3:02pm Sun 27 Apr 14

breamoreboy says...

skydriver wrote:
Yet another reason Christchurch council are not fit for purpose from the leader down. The time has now come for them all to do the correct thing, for once , and resign. We can then start a fresh with a clean slate and NO hidden agendas , or possible corruption.
This wouldn't make any difference. The entire council would still be Conservative. Decisions would still be made by the inner cabinet. Your local councillors have no say over the matter, it's toe the party line or get flung out.
[quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: Yet another reason Christchurch council are not fit for purpose from the leader down. The time has now come for them all to do the correct thing, for once , and resign. We can then start a fresh with a clean slate and NO hidden agendas , or possible corruption.[/p][/quote]This wouldn't make any difference. The entire council would still be Conservative. Decisions would still be made by the inner cabinet. Your local councillors have no say over the matter, it's toe the party line or get flung out. breamoreboy
  • Score: 5

3:57pm Sun 27 Apr 14

coster says...

We the Demos (people) have no Kratis,(power), and thus Democracy is dead.
We the Demos (people) have no Kratis,(power), and thus Democracy is dead. coster
  • Score: -2

4:33pm Sun 27 Apr 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

billy bumble wrote:
Letcommonsenseprevai

l
wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
Campaigners called for the council to abide by the covenant put on the gardens by Charlotte Druitt, who bequeathed them to Dorset County Council in 1946.

What had Christchurch to do with Dorset in 1946.
What a silly post.
Perhaps you would explain why you think it's silly
Probably too young to remember or not from around these parts.
.
Guess general knowledge prevails this time lol
[quote][p][bold]billy bumble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: Campaigners called for the council to abide by the covenant put on the gardens by Charlotte Druitt, who bequeathed them to Dorset County Council in 1946. What had Christchurch to do with Dorset in 1946.[/p][/quote]What a silly post.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you would explain why you think it's silly[/p][/quote]Probably too young to remember or not from around these parts. . Guess general knowledge prevails this time lol HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: -1

4:47pm Sun 27 Apr 14

shaft says...

skydriver wrote:
Yet another reason Christchurch council are not fit for purpose from the leader down. The time has now come for them all to do the correct thing, for once , and resign. We can then start a fresh with a clean slate and NO hidden agendas , or possible corruption.
Just remember your comments next time you vote like which party supported Christchurch in the recent floods giving out FREE sand bags when this council were charging because I and other will.
[quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: Yet another reason Christchurch council are not fit for purpose from the leader down. The time has now come for them all to do the correct thing, for once , and resign. We can then start a fresh with a clean slate and NO hidden agendas , or possible corruption.[/p][/quote]Just remember your comments next time you vote like which party supported Christchurch in the recent floods giving out FREE sand bags when this council were charging because I and other will. shaft
  • Score: 4

5:28pm Sun 27 Apr 14

skydriver says...

shaft wrote:
skydriver wrote:
Yet another reason Christchurch council are not fit for purpose from the leader down. The time has now come for them all to do the correct thing, for once , and resign. We can then start a fresh with a clean slate and NO hidden agendas , or possible corruption.
Just remember your comments next time you vote like which party supported Christchurch in the recent floods giving out FREE sand bags when this council were charging because I and other will.
Oh I will no doubt about that.
[quote][p][bold]shaft[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: Yet another reason Christchurch council are not fit for purpose from the leader down. The time has now come for them all to do the correct thing, for once , and resign. We can then start a fresh with a clean slate and NO hidden agendas , or possible corruption.[/p][/quote]Just remember your comments next time you vote like which party supported Christchurch in the recent floods giving out FREE sand bags when this council were charging because I and other will.[/p][/quote]Oh I will no doubt about that. skydriver
  • Score: 1

5:31pm Sun 27 Apr 14

skydriver says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
Campaigners called for the council to abide by the covenant put on the gardens by Charlotte Druitt, who bequeathed them to Dorset County Council in 1946.

What had Christchurch to do with Dorset in 1946.
What a silly post.
Looking at the score it's your comment that's silly.i think you should THINK before you comment , your sounding like one of those earless councillors we have in Christchurch.
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: Campaigners called for the council to abide by the covenant put on the gardens by Charlotte Druitt, who bequeathed them to Dorset County Council in 1946. What had Christchurch to do with Dorset in 1946.[/p][/quote]What a silly post.[/p][/quote]Looking at the score it's your comment that's silly.i think you should THINK before you comment , your sounding like one of those earless councillors we have in Christchurch. skydriver
  • Score: 7

6:34pm Sun 27 Apr 14

breamoreboy says...

coster wrote:
We the Demos (people) have no Kratis,(power), and thus Democracy is dead.
Democracy is its original ideal has never existed in this country, we have a representative government. In theory the people you vote for make decisions based on your input. In practice party politics dominates and the person you voted for has no effective say in the matter.
[quote][p][bold]coster[/bold] wrote: We the Demos (people) have no Kratis,(power), and thus Democracy is dead.[/p][/quote]Democracy is its original ideal has never existed in this country, we have a representative government. In theory the people you vote for make decisions based on your input. In practice party politics dominates and the person you voted for has no effective say in the matter. breamoreboy
  • Score: 2

6:42pm Sun 27 Apr 14

breamoreboy says...

shaft wrote:
skydriver wrote:
Yet another reason Christchurch council are not fit for purpose from the leader down. The time has now come for them all to do the correct thing, for once , and resign. We can then start a fresh with a clean slate and NO hidden agendas , or possible corruption.
Just remember your comments next time you vote like which party supported Christchurch in the recent floods giving out FREE sand bags when this council were charging because I and other will.
Would this be the same party that put the floods down to gay marriage, thinks Lenny Henry should emigrate to a "black country" and equates Islam to the Third Reich?
[quote][p][bold]shaft[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: Yet another reason Christchurch council are not fit for purpose from the leader down. The time has now come for them all to do the correct thing, for once , and resign. We can then start a fresh with a clean slate and NO hidden agendas , or possible corruption.[/p][/quote]Just remember your comments next time you vote like which party supported Christchurch in the recent floods giving out FREE sand bags when this council were charging because I and other will.[/p][/quote]Would this be the same party that put the floods down to gay marriage, thinks Lenny Henry should emigrate to a "black country" and equates Islam to the Third Reich? breamoreboy
  • Score: -2

6:48pm Sun 27 Apr 14

Yankee1 says...

skydriver wrote:
shaft wrote:
skydriver wrote:
Yet another reason Christchurch council are not fit for purpose from the leader down. The time has now come for them all to do the correct thing, for once , and resign. We can then start a fresh with a clean slate and NO hidden agendas , or possible corruption.
Just remember your comments next time you vote like which party supported Christchurch in the recent floods giving out FREE sand bags when this council were charging because I and other will.
Oh I will no doubt about that.
You are easily bought.
[quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shaft[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: Yet another reason Christchurch council are not fit for purpose from the leader down. The time has now come for them all to do the correct thing, for once , and resign. We can then start a fresh with a clean slate and NO hidden agendas , or possible corruption.[/p][/quote]Just remember your comments next time you vote like which party supported Christchurch in the recent floods giving out FREE sand bags when this council were charging because I and other will.[/p][/quote]Oh I will no doubt about that.[/p][/quote]You are easily bought. Yankee1
  • Score: -5

8:48pm Sun 27 Apr 14

stevobath says...

breamoreboy wrote:
shaft wrote:
skydriver wrote:
Yet another reason Christchurch council are not fit for purpose from the leader down. The time has now come for them all to do the correct thing, for once , and resign. We can then start a fresh with a clean slate and NO hidden agendas , or possible corruption.
Just remember your comments next time you vote like which party supported Christchurch in the recent floods giving out FREE sand bags when this council were charging because I and other will.
Would this be the same party that put the floods down to gay marriage, thinks Lenny Henry should emigrate to a "black country" and equates Islam to the Third Reich?
Isn't that rather twisting things?

Two members of the party made these statements at different times. That doesn't seem to be the WHOLE party?

What about Stephen Fenwick, the Lib Dem Councillor, found guilty of racially aggravated assault?
Also I'm sure their are plenty of racists aligned to ALL parties one way or another except they keep their mouths shut.

I'm NOT a supporter of UKIP but it does get rather tedious when people constantly drone on about the same thing.
NONE of the political parties can be trusted it's just a question of who is the best of a terrible bunch.
Certainly not the Tory scum like Camoron & co, the turn coats Lib Dems & the so called 'Labour' who have totally forgotten what Socialism means.

As for UKIP, I seem to recall a lot of their members being ex Tories?

All a crock & none to be trusted. They wonder why people are apathetic about voting? Maybe if voting was fairer might help too.
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shaft[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: Yet another reason Christchurch council are not fit for purpose from the leader down. The time has now come for them all to do the correct thing, for once , and resign. We can then start a fresh with a clean slate and NO hidden agendas , or possible corruption.[/p][/quote]Just remember your comments next time you vote like which party supported Christchurch in the recent floods giving out FREE sand bags when this council were charging because I and other will.[/p][/quote]Would this be the same party that put the floods down to gay marriage, thinks Lenny Henry should emigrate to a "black country" and equates Islam to the Third Reich?[/p][/quote]Isn't that rather twisting things? Two members of the party made these statements at different times. That doesn't seem to be the WHOLE party? What about Stephen Fenwick, the Lib Dem Councillor, found guilty of racially aggravated assault? Also I'm sure their are plenty of racists aligned to ALL parties one way or another except they keep their mouths shut. I'm NOT a supporter of UKIP but it does get rather tedious when people constantly drone on about the same thing. NONE of the political parties can be trusted it's just a question of who is the best of a terrible bunch. Certainly not the Tory scum like Camoron & co, the turn coats Lib Dems & the so called 'Labour' who have totally forgotten what Socialism means. As for UKIP, I seem to recall a lot of their members being ex Tories? All a crock & none to be trusted. They wonder why people are apathetic about voting? Maybe if voting was fairer might help too. stevobath
  • Score: -6

9:00pm Sun 27 Apr 14

breamoreboy says...

stevobath wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
shaft wrote:
skydriver wrote:
Yet another reason Christchurch council are not fit for purpose from the leader down. The time has now come for them all to do the correct thing, for once , and resign. We can then start a fresh with a clean slate and NO hidden agendas , or possible corruption.
Just remember your comments next time you vote like which party supported Christchurch in the recent floods giving out FREE sand bags when this council were charging because I and other will.
Would this be the same party that put the floods down to gay marriage, thinks Lenny Henry should emigrate to a "black country" and equates Islam to the Third Reich?
Isn't that rather twisting things?

Two members of the party made these statements at different times. That doesn't seem to be the WHOLE party?

What about Stephen Fenwick, the Lib Dem Councillor, found guilty of racially aggravated assault?
Also I'm sure their are plenty of racists aligned to ALL parties one way or another except they keep their mouths shut.

I'm NOT a supporter of UKIP but it does get rather tedious when people constantly drone on about the same thing.
NONE of the political parties can be trusted it's just a question of who is the best of a terrible bunch.
Certainly not the Tory scum like Camoron & co, the turn coats Lib Dems & the so called 'Labour' who have totally forgotten what Socialism means.

As for UKIP, I seem to recall a lot of their members being ex Tories?

All a crock & none to be trusted. They wonder why people are apathetic about voting? Maybe if voting was fairer might help too.
I'll happily admit to dangling a bit of bait. I also entirely agree with you. "Cynics in arms" possibly? :-)
[quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shaft[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: Yet another reason Christchurch council are not fit for purpose from the leader down. The time has now come for them all to do the correct thing, for once , and resign. We can then start a fresh with a clean slate and NO hidden agendas , or possible corruption.[/p][/quote]Just remember your comments next time you vote like which party supported Christchurch in the recent floods giving out FREE sand bags when this council were charging because I and other will.[/p][/quote]Would this be the same party that put the floods down to gay marriage, thinks Lenny Henry should emigrate to a "black country" and equates Islam to the Third Reich?[/p][/quote]Isn't that rather twisting things? Two members of the party made these statements at different times. That doesn't seem to be the WHOLE party? What about Stephen Fenwick, the Lib Dem Councillor, found guilty of racially aggravated assault? Also I'm sure their are plenty of racists aligned to ALL parties one way or another except they keep their mouths shut. I'm NOT a supporter of UKIP but it does get rather tedious when people constantly drone on about the same thing. NONE of the political parties can be trusted it's just a question of who is the best of a terrible bunch. Certainly not the Tory scum like Camoron & co, the turn coats Lib Dems & the so called 'Labour' who have totally forgotten what Socialism means. As for UKIP, I seem to recall a lot of their members being ex Tories? All a crock & none to be trusted. They wonder why people are apathetic about voting? Maybe if voting was fairer might help too.[/p][/quote]I'll happily admit to dangling a bit of bait. I also entirely agree with you. "Cynics in arms" possibly? :-) breamoreboy
  • Score: -4

10:11pm Sun 27 Apr 14

Bob49 says...

At least Farage is honest, he makes no pretence of not being a hypocrite and is quite happy to claim as much for himself and his wife as is posssible. Although the claiming millions, actually turning up and doing some work is another matter as he UKIP has a worse attendance record than any of the main three parties.

Whether their proposals to scarp state pensions will help the elderly folk of Christchurch is another matter. But as an ex public school commodities trader you can certainly see where his priorities lay when UkKIP put forward the idea that those with money could pay to jump the queue at hospitals irrespective of clinical need.

Sure the numpties and nott too bright will vote for them this time, just as the confused have continually elected the shysters onto Christchurch council.

But as Jeffrey Aarcher. George Galloway and Boris Johnson have shown ... it's quite easy to fool those who want to be fooled.
At least Farage is honest, he makes no pretence of not being a hypocrite and is quite happy to claim as much for himself and his wife as is posssible. Although the claiming millions, actually turning up and doing some work is another matter as he UKIP has a worse attendance record than any of the main three parties. Whether their proposals to scarp state pensions will help the elderly folk of Christchurch is another matter. But as an ex public school commodities trader you can certainly see where his priorities lay when UkKIP put forward the idea that those with money could pay to jump the queue at hospitals irrespective of clinical need. Sure the numpties and nott too bright will vote for them this time, just as the confused have continually elected the shysters onto Christchurch council. But as Jeffrey Aarcher. George Galloway and Boris Johnson have shown ... it's quite easy to fool those who want to be fooled. Bob49
  • Score: -4

11:45pm Sun 27 Apr 14

muscliffman says...

breamoreboy wrote:
shaft wrote:
skydriver wrote:
Yet another reason Christchurch council are not fit for purpose from the leader down. The time has now come for them all to do the correct thing, for once , and resign. We can then start a fresh with a clean slate and NO hidden agendas , or possible corruption.
Just remember your comments next time you vote like which party supported Christchurch in the recent floods giving out FREE sand bags when this council were charging because I and other will.
Would this be the same party that put the floods down to gay marriage, thinks Lenny Henry should emigrate to a "black country" and equates Islam to the Third Reich?
Might be, but then again it may be the Party the 'gay floods' bloke belonged to when he actually wrote that tripe - and was not chucked out of for doing it, or it could be the one that covered up long term for a big fat stinking repeat child molester, or maybe the Party from which several MP's have been jailed for criminal expenses fiddling - or perhaps you do mean the Party now leading the EU election poll at 31% (and rising)........?

(As for Lenny Henry I believe this was a knee jerk humorous response to media reports that he is advocating the removal of numerous BBC broadcasting staff because in his opinion they are not from the right races.)
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shaft[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: Yet another reason Christchurch council are not fit for purpose from the leader down. The time has now come for them all to do the correct thing, for once , and resign. We can then start a fresh with a clean slate and NO hidden agendas , or possible corruption.[/p][/quote]Just remember your comments next time you vote like which party supported Christchurch in the recent floods giving out FREE sand bags when this council were charging because I and other will.[/p][/quote]Would this be the same party that put the floods down to gay marriage, thinks Lenny Henry should emigrate to a "black country" and equates Islam to the Third Reich?[/p][/quote]Might be, but then again it may be the Party the 'gay floods' bloke belonged to when he actually wrote that tripe - and was not chucked out of for doing it, or it could be the one that covered up long term for a big fat stinking repeat child molester, or maybe the Party from which several MP's have been jailed for criminal expenses fiddling - or perhaps you do mean the Party now leading the EU election poll at 31% (and rising)........? (As for Lenny Henry I believe this was a knee jerk humorous response to media reports that he is advocating the removal of numerous BBC broadcasting staff because in his opinion they are not from the right races.) muscliffman
  • Score: 2

12:12am Mon 28 Apr 14

Frank28 says...

The Council should comply with the covenant. It's maladministration if they don't, which has serious consequences for them.
The Council should comply with the covenant. It's maladministration if they don't, which has serious consequences for them. Frank28
  • Score: 2

9:05am Mon 28 Apr 14

Tango Charlie says...

It's like the land bequeathed to Bournemouth by the Lady Wimborne. That's been given away in dribs and drabs over the years.
It's like the land bequeathed to Bournemouth by the Lady Wimborne. That's been given away in dribs and drabs over the years. Tango Charlie
  • Score: 1

6:20pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Avengerboy says...

Trees belong in woods and forests. The urban architecture and utilities can be very badly damaged with great cost of repair.
Trees belong in woods and forests. The urban architecture and utilities can be very badly damaged with great cost of repair. Avengerboy
  • Score: -2

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