Councillors condemn proposals for Navitus Bay wind farm

contentious: Illustration of the height of the turbines above Bournemouth Beach.

James Hassett, head of growth and economy for Christchurch Borough Council

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CHRISTCHURCH councillors have spoken out against the planned Navitus Bay wind farm.

Although it is not yet possible for the council itself to offer an opinion on the site, individuals sitting on the Community Services Committee have condemned the controversial proposals.

If accepted, the park could see as many as 194 turbines up to 200 metres high off the Dorset coastline, 12 miles from Christchurch.

Navitus Bay Development Ltd submitted its application for the park to the Planning Inspectorate earlier this month.

The Government is now considering the application to make sure it is valid.

James Hassett, head of growth and economy for Christchurch Borough Council, called the proposals a “relatively contentious issue”, but said as yet the council’s opinions cannot be considered.

“We are not being asked whether we are for or against it – we are asked to respond to the adequacy of the consultation and the local impact report currently,” he said.

But Cllr Colin Bungay said: “I have asked [Navitus Bay Development Ltd] several times about the effect of a ‘mini climate change’. This has happened in Scandinavian countries, and it is horrendous, but fortunately over there, the wind farms are generally in uninhabited areas.

“You can imagine the effect on our tourism industry if we were to have cloud and rain for a good part of the summer.”

Cllr David Jones added: “We have to go through the process – if we don’t, our objections won’t count.”

Members of the committee voted unanimously to note the planning process and agree that submissions from protest groups Challenge Navitus and the Poole and Christchurch Bays Association are to be attached to the council’s responses but no endorsement is either made or implied.

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6:46am Fri 25 Apr 14

BluebirdDorset says...

Horrible idea and the potential to be a bigger eyesore than that IMAX shocker, do any residents actually want these things blotting our horizon.
Horrible idea and the potential to be a bigger eyesore than that IMAX shocker, do any residents actually want these things blotting our horizon. BluebirdDorset
  • Score: 1

8:06am Fri 25 Apr 14

yet_another_one says...

Should this area be responsible & contribute to energy generation instead of allowing others to provide for us ?
What a bunch of NIMBY's.
Should this area be responsible & contribute to energy generation instead of allowing others to provide for us ? What a bunch of NIMBY's. yet_another_one
  • Score: 1

8:16am Fri 25 Apr 14

terra firma says...

yet_another_one wrote:
Should this area be responsible & contribute to energy generation instead of allowing others to provide for us ?
What a bunch of NIMBY's.
Rather than rely on the vagaries of the wind this area could contribute much more consistently and less obtrusively in seeking to harness tidal power.
[quote][p][bold]yet_another_one[/bold] wrote: Should this area be responsible & contribute to energy generation instead of allowing others to provide for us ? What a bunch of NIMBY's.[/p][/quote]Rather than rely on the vagaries of the wind this area could contribute much more consistently and less obtrusively in seeking to harness tidal power. terra firma
  • Score: 9

9:10am Fri 25 Apr 14

PokesdownMark says...

Wind farms cause cloud and rain? What total nonsense! I think councilors have a responsibility to stick to factual information. If they can't then they should be relieved of their responsibilities as quickly as possible. I know they can't be experts in everything but if you can't properly sanity-check stuff that likely originated in a google search you shouldn't be in office. Always always ask the question.... if it were true then what other things would we see? oh yeah, machines that make rain in the desert! which don't exist.... oh right.
Wind farms cause cloud and rain? What total nonsense! I think councilors have a responsibility to stick to factual information. If they can't then they should be relieved of their responsibilities as quickly as possible. I know they can't be experts in everything but if you can't properly sanity-check stuff that likely originated in a google search you shouldn't be in office. Always always ask the question.... if it were true then what other things would we see? oh yeah, machines that make rain in the desert! which don't exist.... oh right. PokesdownMark
  • Score: 11

11:11am Fri 25 Apr 14

saynomore says...

The anti wind turbine fanatics are getting in to a fantasy world their protests are becoming more and more ludicrous.Fist we are told that ships will bump into them then birds will be chopped up and we will see them from 12 miles away and we will hear them from that distance too,and now the best of all they will create rain Oh Puleeeze .PS here is a new one you could try, if the turbines all face the same way and rotate at the same time the earths rotation will speed up and we will have 12hour days.Oh and by the way the moon is made of cheese.
The anti wind turbine fanatics are getting in to a fantasy world their protests are becoming more and more ludicrous.Fist we are told that ships will bump into them then birds will be chopped up and we will see them from 12 miles away and we will hear them from that distance too,and now the best of all they will create rain Oh Puleeeze .PS here is a new one you could try, if the turbines all face the same way and rotate at the same time the earths rotation will speed up and we will have 12hour days.Oh and by the way the moon is made of cheese. saynomore
  • Score: 2

11:15am Fri 25 Apr 14

a.g.o.g. says...

PokesdownMark wrote:
Wind farms cause cloud and rain? What total nonsense! I think councilors have a responsibility to stick to factual information. If they can't then they should be relieved of their responsibilities as quickly as possible. I know they can't be experts in everything but if you can't properly sanity-check stuff that likely originated in a google search you shouldn't be in office. Always always ask the question.... if it were true then what other things would we see? oh yeah, machines that make rain in the desert! which don't exist.... oh right.
you obviously then haven`t seen the photos of an off-shore Danish Wind Farm producing a cloud bank that then covers the land beyond nor read the more learned concerns of temperature-drop across such a farm as Navitus and its cloud and mist/fog producing potential.
[quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: Wind farms cause cloud and rain? What total nonsense! I think councilors have a responsibility to stick to factual information. If they can't then they should be relieved of their responsibilities as quickly as possible. I know they can't be experts in everything but if you can't properly sanity-check stuff that likely originated in a google search you shouldn't be in office. Always always ask the question.... if it were true then what other things would we see? oh yeah, machines that make rain in the desert! which don't exist.... oh right.[/p][/quote]you obviously then haven`t seen the photos of an off-shore Danish Wind Farm producing a cloud bank that then covers the land beyond nor read the more learned concerns of temperature-drop across such a farm as Navitus and its cloud and mist/fog producing potential. a.g.o.g.
  • Score: 1

11:46am Fri 25 Apr 14

PokesdownMark says...

a.g.o.g. wrote:
PokesdownMark wrote:
Wind farms cause cloud and rain? What total nonsense! I think councilors have a responsibility to stick to factual information. If they can't then they should be relieved of their responsibilities as quickly as possible. I know they can't be experts in everything but if you can't properly sanity-check stuff that likely originated in a google search you shouldn't be in office. Always always ask the question.... if it were true then what other things would we see? oh yeah, machines that make rain in the desert! which don't exist.... oh right.
you obviously then haven`t seen the photos of an off-shore Danish Wind Farm producing a cloud bank that then covers the land beyond nor read the more learned concerns of temperature-drop across such a farm as Navitus and its cloud and mist/fog producing potential.
I have seen one very dramatic photo, very likely the one you mention. That same thing can be seen sometimes when aircraft wings or propellers pass through air with a dew point very close to the ambient temperature. For wind farms this may happen very occasionally. But the effect is likely to be very short lived. I have seen cliffs doing something similar too.

It can't seriously be claimed that this is local climate *change* or has any significance at all. If it does frequently then that would be a fog prone area anyway. So not *change*.
[quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: Wind farms cause cloud and rain? What total nonsense! I think councilors have a responsibility to stick to factual information. If they can't then they should be relieved of their responsibilities as quickly as possible. I know they can't be experts in everything but if you can't properly sanity-check stuff that likely originated in a google search you shouldn't be in office. Always always ask the question.... if it were true then what other things would we see? oh yeah, machines that make rain in the desert! which don't exist.... oh right.[/p][/quote]you obviously then haven`t seen the photos of an off-shore Danish Wind Farm producing a cloud bank that then covers the land beyond nor read the more learned concerns of temperature-drop across such a farm as Navitus and its cloud and mist/fog producing potential.[/p][/quote]I have seen one very dramatic photo, very likely the one you mention. That same thing can be seen sometimes when aircraft wings or propellers pass through air with a dew point very close to the ambient temperature. For wind farms this may happen very occasionally. But the effect is likely to be very short lived. I have seen cliffs doing something similar too. It can't seriously be claimed that this is local climate *change* or has any significance at all. If it does frequently then that would be a fog prone area anyway. So not *change*. PokesdownMark
  • Score: 8

1:38pm Fri 25 Apr 14

forest-dweller says...

saynomore wrote:
The anti wind turbine fanatics are getting in to a fantasy world their protests are becoming more and more ludicrous.Fist we are told that ships will bump into them then birds will be chopped up and we will see them from 12 miles away and we will hear them from that distance too,and now the best of all they will create rain Oh Puleeeze .PS here is a new one you could try, if the turbines all face the same way and rotate at the same time the earths rotation will speed up and we will have 12hour days.Oh and by the way the moon is made of cheese.
Not sure about hearing them from 12 miles away, but the horizon for a 200m object is about 31 miles, so from the top of the cliffs it will be even further. To give some perspective, the highest part of the Isle of Wight is 241m right in the SE of the island (which you can't see from Xchurch). However, the middle of the island is only about 150m or so, some 55m lower than the biggest turbines, and it is a few miles further away than the proposed turbines.
[quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: The anti wind turbine fanatics are getting in to a fantasy world their protests are becoming more and more ludicrous.Fist we are told that ships will bump into them then birds will be chopped up and we will see them from 12 miles away and we will hear them from that distance too,and now the best of all they will create rain Oh Puleeeze .PS here is a new one you could try, if the turbines all face the same way and rotate at the same time the earths rotation will speed up and we will have 12hour days.Oh and by the way the moon is made of cheese.[/p][/quote]Not sure about hearing them from 12 miles away, but the horizon for a 200m object is about 31 miles, so from the top of the cliffs it will be even further. To give some perspective, the highest part of the Isle of Wight is 241m right in the SE of the island (which you can't see from Xchurch). However, the middle of the island is only about 150m or so, some 55m lower than the biggest turbines, and it is a few miles further away than the proposed turbines. forest-dweller
  • Score: 0

6:30pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Yankee1 says...

Fine; but I will feel a bit more convinced when the Mayor's limo is a Prius.

Or, better yet, Shank's Mare.
Fine; but I will feel a bit more convinced when the Mayor's limo is a Prius. Or, better yet, Shank's Mare. Yankee1
  • Score: 1

7:07pm Fri 25 Apr 14

skydriver says...

A Christchurch councillor making a good comment for a change , let's hope it rubs off onto the others, although I very much doubt it, they usually have their heads very much stuck in the sand., or the trough .
A Christchurch councillor making a good comment for a change , let's hope it rubs off onto the others, although I very much doubt it, they usually have their heads very much stuck in the sand., or the trough . skydriver
  • Score: -1

9:52am Sat 26 Apr 14

a.g.o.g. says...

PokesdownMark wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote:
PokesdownMark wrote:
Wind farms cause cloud and rain? What total nonsense! I think councilors have a responsibility to stick to factual information. If they can't then they should be relieved of their responsibilities as quickly as possible. I know they can't be experts in everything but if you can't properly sanity-check stuff that likely originated in a google search you shouldn't be in office. Always always ask the question.... if it were true then what other things would we see? oh yeah, machines that make rain in the desert! which don't exist.... oh right.
you obviously then haven`t seen the photos of an off-shore Danish Wind Farm producing a cloud bank that then covers the land beyond nor read the more learned concerns of temperature-drop across such a farm as Navitus and its cloud and mist/fog producing potential.
I have seen one very dramatic photo, very likely the one you mention. That same thing can be seen sometimes when aircraft wings or propellers pass through air with a dew point very close to the ambient temperature. For wind farms this may happen very occasionally. But the effect is likely to be very short lived. I have seen cliffs doing something similar too.

It can't seriously be claimed that this is local climate *change* or has any significance at all. If it does frequently then that would be a fog prone area anyway. So not *change*.
if it can happen Mark then be sure IT WILL.....and with ~500 giant wing-tips touching near 200mph we can be sure that when that big wet SW wind blows the fog/cloud-bank effect downstream that you have seen will likely engulf The Solent-the IOW-and/or our 3 town coastal conurbation
Navitus at full steam will not just take out near 1GW of power from the wind but disrupt another ~4GW of it and so cause pressure and temperature drops that results in the trivial condensations you mention. .
[quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: Wind farms cause cloud and rain? What total nonsense! I think councilors have a responsibility to stick to factual information. If they can't then they should be relieved of their responsibilities as quickly as possible. I know they can't be experts in everything but if you can't properly sanity-check stuff that likely originated in a google search you shouldn't be in office. Always always ask the question.... if it were true then what other things would we see? oh yeah, machines that make rain in the desert! which don't exist.... oh right.[/p][/quote]you obviously then haven`t seen the photos of an off-shore Danish Wind Farm producing a cloud bank that then covers the land beyond nor read the more learned concerns of temperature-drop across such a farm as Navitus and its cloud and mist/fog producing potential.[/p][/quote]I have seen one very dramatic photo, very likely the one you mention. That same thing can be seen sometimes when aircraft wings or propellers pass through air with a dew point very close to the ambient temperature. For wind farms this may happen very occasionally. But the effect is likely to be very short lived. I have seen cliffs doing something similar too. It can't seriously be claimed that this is local climate *change* or has any significance at all. If it does frequently then that would be a fog prone area anyway. So not *change*.[/p][/quote]if it can happen Mark then be sure IT WILL.....and with ~500 giant wing-tips touching near 200mph we can be sure that when that big wet SW wind blows the fog/cloud-bank effect downstream that you have seen will likely engulf The Solent-the IOW-and/or our 3 town coastal conurbation Navitus at full steam will not just take out near 1GW of power from the wind but disrupt another ~4GW of it and so cause pressure and temperature drops that results in the trivial condensations you mention. . a.g.o.g.
  • Score: 0

10:04am Mon 28 Apr 14

leftpoole says...

Christchurch councilors do not give a toss!
Christchurch councilors do not give a toss! leftpoole
  • Score: 1

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