Calls to suspend Navitus Bay wind farm plans while noises levels are investigated

CONCERNS: A residents' group is calling for wind farms plans to be put on hold while noise fears are investigated

ANALYSIS INACCURATE: Mike Unsworth, director of the Navitus Bay project

First published in News by , Chief Reporter

A GROUP representing a host of residents’ associations is calling for the Navitus Bay wind farm to be put on hold while the levels of noise it could generate are investigated.

Following a special meeting at Bournemouth Borough Council earlier this month, the Poole and Christchurch Bays Association says that Navitus Bay Development Limited, which has now submitted its planning application to the Government, needs to look into and publicly report on the issue of noise.

Philip Dewhurst, spokesman for PCBA, which represents more than 40 residents’ groups around the area, said: “According to professional acoustics expert Dr John Yelland, operational noise from the wind farm would be significantly above the public protection limit of 35 dBA set down in the Noise Regulations.

“This new information has been provided following questions on noise issues raised at the council meeting on April 10.

“To comply with the regulations, the wind farm would have to be sited miles further out to sea. As it is, the whole of the Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch conurbation – with a population approaching 400,000 – would be over the limit of 35 dBA, leading to unacceptable noise nuisance and possible property blight. Swanage and the Isle of Wight would also be affected.”

He said noise travelled a long way over water and said that NBDL had only used a calculation for sound travel over land. It would be “an appalling catastrophe” if the wind farm was built as currently proposed, added Mr Dewhurst.

Mike Unsworth, project director at Navitus Bay, said: “We strongly reject Dr Yelland’s analysis, which we consider to be factually inaccurate.

“Independent noise specialists investigated the potential noise impacts associated with the proposed wind park using recognised standards appropriate to offshore wind.

“These are the same standards that have been employed by developers assessing potential noise impacts at many other offshore wind farm schemes around the UK.

“These investigations were documented in the Environmental Statement, which forms part of our planning application. They concluded that the predicted noise levels are not expected to exceed the threshold criteria during the construction, operation and maintenance, and decommissioning phases.”

He said there was “no evidence of operational noise impacts” in coastal locations near any of the 22 offshore wind farms around the UK.

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12:05pm Mon 21 Apr 14

High Treason says...

It will happen despite it being proved as being not cost effective. The build cost, the installation cost, the maintenance cost, the subsidy cost and actual in use payback. When they are clapped out will they be left there to rot away or removed.
It will happen despite it being proved as being not cost effective. The build cost, the installation cost, the maintenance cost, the subsidy cost and actual in use payback. When they are clapped out will they be left there to rot away or removed. High Treason
  • Score: -5

1:35pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Townee says...

Just another move to stop the wind farm. There was no of this nonsense when wind farms were built on the east coast or when some were put on land. These people are just waiting public money trying to slow things down.
NIMBYS get a life after all the rubbish that they have tried to say these will be built and in a few years they will be saying I wondered why all the fuss.
Just another move to stop the wind farm. There was no of this nonsense when wind farms were built on the east coast or when some were put on land. These people are just waiting public money trying to slow things down. NIMBYS get a life after all the rubbish that they have tried to say these will be built and in a few years they will be saying I wondered why all the fuss. Townee
  • Score: 3

1:39pm Mon 21 Apr 14

calamity carney says...

Sounds like all the noise is coming from the moaners. I wonder how many have shares in the gas and elec companies ?
Sounds like all the noise is coming from the moaners. I wonder how many have shares in the gas and elec companies ? calamity carney
  • Score: 2

1:50pm Mon 21 Apr 14

coster says...

Hear Hear!
Hear Hear! coster
  • Score: -2

1:50pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

A row broke out over wind noise in my house yesterday. Don't blame me I said, I didn't eve ask for sprouts.
A row broke out over wind noise in my house yesterday. Don't blame me I said, I didn't eve ask for sprouts. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: 1

2:07pm Mon 21 Apr 14

GeorgeW64 says...

These are the same type of people who complain about fracking and more than likely complain about the electric and gas bills being so high, and probably just about everything there is to complain about, You can't win with this type of people.
I wonder just how many of these moaners would actually be affected by any noise ?
These are the same type of people who complain about fracking and more than likely complain about the electric and gas bills being so high, and probably just about everything there is to complain about, You can't win with this type of people. I wonder just how many of these moaners would actually be affected by any noise ? GeorgeW64
  • Score: 0

2:29pm Mon 21 Apr 14

BIGTONE says...

He said there was “no evidence of operational noise impacts” in coastal locations near any of the 22 offshore wind farms around the UK..........

Well there wouldn't be if you haven't looked for evidence.

Surely they can provide the objectors actual figures of Db noise levels of those offshore farms in use......Can't they?
If not why not?
He said there was “no evidence of operational noise impacts” in coastal locations near any of the 22 offshore wind farms around the UK.......... Well there wouldn't be if you haven't looked for evidence. Surely they can provide the objectors actual figures of Db noise levels of those offshore farms in use......Can't they? If not why not? BIGTONE
  • Score: 1

3:49pm Mon 21 Apr 14

saynomore says...

Noise!!!! They will be 20 miles out to sea FFS,another lame attempt to try and stop the Wind turbines,if you cant come up with a sensible argument then just keep quiet and find something else to moan about,I am sure there is something blocking a "view" somewhere,or perhaps you should get out more.
Noise!!!! They will be 20 miles out to sea FFS,another lame attempt to try and stop the Wind turbines,if you cant come up with a sensible argument then just keep quiet and find something else to moan about,I am sure there is something blocking a "view" somewhere,or perhaps you should get out more. saynomore
  • Score: 0

5:18pm Mon 21 Apr 14

ShuttleX says...

You have to love Bournemouth and Poole Councils. They can keep the nimbys happy by sticking up for them, knowing full well it is the Government who will make the final decision, not the Councils who have no say in the matter. If Central Government want this to happen, and the Council try and get in the way, just watch them get steamrolled over. They can complain all they like, but the wind farm is going to be built, no matter how much noise the nimby lot make.
You have to love Bournemouth and Poole Councils. They can keep the nimbys happy by sticking up for them, knowing full well it is the Government who will make the final decision, not the Councils who have no say in the matter. If Central Government want this to happen, and the Council try and get in the way, just watch them get steamrolled over. They can complain all they like, but the wind farm is going to be built, no matter how much noise the nimby lot make. ShuttleX
  • Score: -1

7:59pm Mon 21 Apr 14

glendower2909 says...

Give it a few years and there will be an eerie quiteness descending on most first world countries as we run Out of electricity and the lights finally go out.

Up side will be no internet so no public forums like this for the nimbys to bleat on. Can't wait
Give it a few years and there will be an eerie quiteness descending on most first world countries as we run Out of electricity and the lights finally go out. Up side will be no internet so no public forums like this for the nimbys to bleat on. Can't wait glendower2909
  • Score: -3

8:46pm Mon 21 Apr 14

fireflier says...

Still going on about these fecking windmills!

When are we going to stop this 'orse sh1te' and get on with the job of developing clean-burn coal powered generating plant?

Too much money being wasted by pouring into the pockets of those who love the subsidies for these puff-the-dragon machines!!!!
Still going on about these fecking windmills! When are we going to stop this 'orse sh1te' and get on with the job of developing clean-burn coal powered generating plant? Too much money being wasted by pouring into the pockets of those who love the subsidies for these puff-the-dragon machines!!!! fireflier
  • Score: 5

11:17pm Mon 21 Apr 14

master plan says...

These people do my head in we need renewable energy!
If you had one of these on top of your house it would have an output of 95db constant! If there 500 metres from your house which is a planning regs the output is 45db.
Seeing as there a few miles out in the sea we won't hear a bloody thing!

Try living on poole quay when seagulls are nesting can have a good 15 hrs of swaking at a minimum of 75db
So all you busy body's do one and let them build for the future and not your past!!!!
These people do my head in we need renewable energy! If you had one of these on top of your house it would have an output of 95db constant! If there 500 metres from your house which is a planning regs the output is 45db. Seeing as there a few miles out in the sea we won't hear a bloody thing! Try living on poole quay when seagulls are nesting can have a good 15 hrs of swaking at a minimum of 75db So all you busy body's do one and let them build for the future and not your past!!!! master plan
  • Score: -2

2:48am Tue 22 Apr 14

mooninpisces says...

It's only a week since the other protest group, Challenge Navitus, called for the Navitus Bay Enquiry to be halted, before it has even begun, on the grounds that they didn't like the consultation process. Now, not to be outdone, the other lot, the Poole and Christchurch Bays Association, are also calling for it to be halted, this time on the grounds of noise.

Why can't these protest groups wait for the final proposals to be published, when they will have the opportunity to actually study them and give their reactions at the Planning Enquiry? And why are they attempting to prevent the rest of us from accessing the proposals, and giving our reactions?
It's only a week since the other protest group, Challenge Navitus, called for the Navitus Bay Enquiry to be halted, before it has even begun, on the grounds that they didn't like the consultation process. Now, not to be outdone, the other lot, the Poole and Christchurch Bays Association, are also calling for it to be halted, this time on the grounds of noise. Why can't these protest groups wait for the final proposals to be published, when they will have the opportunity to actually study them and give their reactions at the Planning Enquiry? And why are they attempting to prevent the rest of us from accessing the proposals, and giving our reactions? mooninpisces
  • Score: -3

3:03am Tue 22 Apr 14

billd766 says...

I hope that all of the protester groups are paying their own legal fees and not expecting the council, the government or even Navitus to pay it for them. Also if Navitus win all these appeals they should sue the groups fo the cost of the delays and the court case.
I hope that all of the protester groups are paying their own legal fees and not expecting the council, the government or even Navitus to pay it for them. Also if Navitus win all these appeals they should sue the groups fo the cost of the delays and the court case. billd766
  • Score: -2

7:16am Tue 22 Apr 14

tbpoole says...

I've experience of two wind farms; off Great Yarmouth and Broadstairs. I couldn't hear a thing from either of them and I'm sure the Great Yarmouth farm is much closer than the Navitus one is going to be!
I've experience of two wind farms; off Great Yarmouth and Broadstairs. I couldn't hear a thing from either of them and I'm sure the Great Yarmouth farm is much closer than the Navitus one is going to be! tbpoole
  • Score: -1

9:01am Tue 22 Apr 14

BarrHumbug says...

Boring!
Boring! BarrHumbug
  • Score: 1

9:05am Tue 22 Apr 14

mooninpisces says...

tbpoole wrote:
I've experience of two wind farms; off Great Yarmouth and Broadstairs. I couldn't hear a thing from either of them and I'm sure the Great Yarmouth farm is much closer than the Navitus one is going to be!
Scroby Sands - less than 2 miles from Great Yarmouth.

Navitus Bay - more than 13 miles from Bournemouth.
[quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: I've experience of two wind farms; off Great Yarmouth and Broadstairs. I couldn't hear a thing from either of them and I'm sure the Great Yarmouth farm is much closer than the Navitus one is going to be![/p][/quote]Scroby Sands - less than 2 miles from Great Yarmouth. Navitus Bay - more than 13 miles from Bournemouth. mooninpisces
  • Score: -4

9:38am Tue 22 Apr 14

TheDistrict says...

The only bloody noise is coming from the PCBA and Challenge Navitus, and of course our own numpty MP, Conor Burns, (anyone in the Winton Area want to talk to him about it, he is at the Winton West Public Meeting on Sat 26th April at the BSVI Victoria Park Road). The plan is in at government level, and it will happen. We need the energy from an alternatve source, regardless of how much it produces. Back off and give it chance.
The only bloody noise is coming from the PCBA and Challenge Navitus, and of course our own numpty MP, Conor Burns, (anyone in the Winton Area want to talk to him about it, he is at the Winton West Public Meeting on Sat 26th April at the BSVI Victoria Park Road). The plan is in at government level, and it will happen. We need the energy from an alternatve source, regardless of how much it produces. Back off and give it chance. TheDistrict
  • Score: -2

10:27am Tue 22 Apr 14

Baysider says...

mooninpisces wrote:
tbpoole wrote:
I've experience of two wind farms; off Great Yarmouth and Broadstairs. I couldn't hear a thing from either of them and I'm sure the Great Yarmouth farm is much closer than the Navitus one is going to be!
Scroby Sands - less than 2 miles from Great Yarmouth.

Navitus Bay - more than 13 miles from Bournemouth.
Scroby Sands = 30 turbines @ 100m high

Navitus Bay = 194 turbines @ 200m high.

Let's compare apples with apples shall we and btw I've seen Scroby Sands and as well as being a 100% waste of time and money it looks absolutely dreadful...even in the dark.
[quote][p][bold]mooninpisces[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: I've experience of two wind farms; off Great Yarmouth and Broadstairs. I couldn't hear a thing from either of them and I'm sure the Great Yarmouth farm is much closer than the Navitus one is going to be![/p][/quote]Scroby Sands - less than 2 miles from Great Yarmouth. Navitus Bay - more than 13 miles from Bournemouth.[/p][/quote]Scroby Sands = 30 turbines @ 100m high Navitus Bay = 194 turbines @ 200m high. Let's compare apples with apples shall we and btw I've seen Scroby Sands and as well as being a 100% waste of time and money it looks absolutely dreadful...even in the dark. Baysider
  • Score: 1

11:47am Tue 22 Apr 14

TOM AND JANE says...

Over six times the number of turbines at over twice the height of Scroby Sands. Little wander that so many locals are so opposed. This ugly carbuncle, when built, having robbed the taxpayer/utility user of so much money paid to foreign companies in subsidies, the company even dares to talk about eventual decommissioning. Forget that scenario, when the operator discovers how uneconomical they are, will simply walk away.
Over six times the number of turbines at over twice the height of Scroby Sands. Little wander that so many locals are so opposed. This ugly carbuncle, when built, having robbed the taxpayer/utility user of so much money paid to foreign companies in subsidies, the company even dares to talk about eventual decommissioning. Forget that scenario, when the operator discovers how uneconomical they are, will simply walk away. TOM AND JANE
  • Score: 3

1:46pm Tue 22 Apr 14

mooninpisces says...

Baysider, Tom and Jane - the PCBA objection is about noise. tbpoole's comment refers to the fact that they couldn't hear the Scroby Sands wind farm from Great Yarmouth. That's why the distance of Scroby Sands from the shore is relevant, and what it looks like is not.
Baysider, Tom and Jane - the PCBA objection is about noise. tbpoole's comment refers to the fact that they couldn't hear the Scroby Sands wind farm from Great Yarmouth. That's why the distance of Scroby Sands from the shore is relevant, and what it looks like is not. mooninpisces
  • Score: -2

4:31pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Baysider says...

mooninpisces wrote:
Baysider, Tom and Jane - the PCBA objection is about noise. tbpoole's comment refers to the fact that they couldn't hear the Scroby Sands wind farm from Great Yarmouth. That's why the distance of Scroby Sands from the shore is relevant, and what it looks like is not.
Equally relevant is the point that those planned are twice as large and there are many more of them albeit further out of course.

Acoustics are a very weird thing too so the fact that one poster claims not have heard anything is also not relevant. Maybe the wind was in the wrong direction, maybe their hearings not great, maybe the background noise was too high, maybe they weren't even operating that day?
[quote][p][bold]mooninpisces[/bold] wrote: Baysider, Tom and Jane - the PCBA objection is about noise. tbpoole's comment refers to the fact that they couldn't hear the Scroby Sands wind farm from Great Yarmouth. That's why the distance of Scroby Sands from the shore is relevant, and what it looks like is not.[/p][/quote]Equally relevant is the point that those planned are twice as large and there are many more of them albeit further out of course. Acoustics are a very weird thing too so the fact that one poster claims not have heard anything is also not relevant. Maybe the wind was in the wrong direction, maybe their hearings not great, maybe the background noise was too high, maybe they weren't even operating that day? Baysider
  • Score: 1

5:59pm Tue 22 Apr 14

tbpoole says...

Baysider wrote:
mooninpisces wrote:
Baysider, Tom and Jane - the PCBA objection is about noise. tbpoole's comment refers to the fact that they couldn't hear the Scroby Sands wind farm from Great Yarmouth. That's why the distance of Scroby Sands from the shore is relevant, and what it looks like is not.
Equally relevant is the point that those planned are twice as large and there are many more of them albeit further out of course.

Acoustics are a very weird thing too so the fact that one poster claims not have heard anything is also not relevant. Maybe the wind was in the wrong direction, maybe their hearings not great, maybe the background noise was too high, maybe they weren't even operating that day?
Actually I've seen them on at least a dozen occasions and they were operating every time. My hearing is fine and the wind can't have been in the 'wrong direction' every time. Why don't you visit yourself before making assumptions.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mooninpisces[/bold] wrote: Baysider, Tom and Jane - the PCBA objection is about noise. tbpoole's comment refers to the fact that they couldn't hear the Scroby Sands wind farm from Great Yarmouth. That's why the distance of Scroby Sands from the shore is relevant, and what it looks like is not.[/p][/quote]Equally relevant is the point that those planned are twice as large and there are many more of them albeit further out of course. Acoustics are a very weird thing too so the fact that one poster claims not have heard anything is also not relevant. Maybe the wind was in the wrong direction, maybe their hearings not great, maybe the background noise was too high, maybe they weren't even operating that day?[/p][/quote]Actually I've seen them on at least a dozen occasions and they were operating every time. My hearing is fine and the wind can't have been in the 'wrong direction' every time. Why don't you visit yourself before making assumptions. tbpoole
  • Score: 0

6:12pm Tue 22 Apr 14

tbpoole says...

Baysider wrote:
mooninpisces wrote:
tbpoole wrote:
I've experience of two wind farms; off Great Yarmouth and Broadstairs. I couldn't hear a thing from either of them and I'm sure the Great Yarmouth farm is much closer than the Navitus one is going to be!
Scroby Sands - less than 2 miles from Great Yarmouth.

Navitus Bay - more than 13 miles from Bournemouth.
Scroby Sands = 30 turbines @ 100m high

Navitus Bay = 194 turbines @ 200m high.

Let's compare apples with apples shall we and btw I've seen Scroby Sands and as well as being a 100% waste of time and money it looks absolutely dreadful...even in the dark.
Actually the ones off Broadstairs (Thanet wind farm I believe) are 155m tall and seven miles out and are hardly noticeable. How can turbines only 45m taller and twice the distance of these ones possibly be any noisier or more visually intrusive forgoodness sake!
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mooninpisces[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: I've experience of two wind farms; off Great Yarmouth and Broadstairs. I couldn't hear a thing from either of them and I'm sure the Great Yarmouth farm is much closer than the Navitus one is going to be![/p][/quote]Scroby Sands - less than 2 miles from Great Yarmouth. Navitus Bay - more than 13 miles from Bournemouth.[/p][/quote]Scroby Sands = 30 turbines @ 100m high Navitus Bay = 194 turbines @ 200m high. Let's compare apples with apples shall we and btw I've seen Scroby Sands and as well as being a 100% waste of time and money it looks absolutely dreadful...even in the dark.[/p][/quote]Actually the ones off Broadstairs (Thanet wind farm I believe) are 155m tall and seven miles out and are hardly noticeable. How can turbines only 45m taller and twice the distance of these ones possibly be any noisier or more visually intrusive forgoodness sake! tbpoole
  • Score: 1

6:30pm Tue 22 Apr 14

ShuttleX says...

I love the way the nimbys rush on here to give thumbs downs. I have this picture of them all calling each other up telling them to get on here quick. As most posters seem to either be in favour, or just couldn't care less, it really is amazing how many of their posts have minus scores lol. I do hope they will all be chaining themselves to the masts when they are built. May be they could plug their laptops in while they are out there, so they can inform us just how load they really are.
I love the way the nimbys rush on here to give thumbs downs. I have this picture of them all calling each other up telling them to get on here quick. As most posters seem to either be in favour, or just couldn't care less, it really is amazing how many of their posts have minus scores lol. I do hope they will all be chaining themselves to the masts when they are built. May be they could plug their laptops in while they are out there, so they can inform us just how load they really are. ShuttleX
  • Score: -1

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