Outrage as paedophile set to have photos of stepdaughter victim returned to him - and there's nothing the law can do

Outrage as paedophile set to have photos of stepdaughter victim returned to him - and there's nothing the law can do

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Martyn Underhill

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POLICE commissioner Martyn Underhill has vowed to ‘fight tooth and nail’ to stop a convicted paedophile getting pictures of his stepdaughter victim returned to him.

The photographs are contained on the abuser’s laptop and mobile phone, which will be given back when he completes the custodial part of his sentence.

But Dorset police chiefs say, under current law, they are powerless to delete the photos, which are family snapshots of the victim and her sister, not indecent images.

In December the Daily Echo revealed how the abuser – a 58-year-old respected pillar of his local community – was sentenced to nine years at Bournemouth Crown Court for sexually abusing his young stepdaughter.

We are not naming the abuser to protect the identity of his victim.

In court, Judge Peter Johnson branded the defendant “dangerous and warped”.

The man has now formally requested his possessions back through his criminal defence lawyer. The police say they have no choice but to comply.

Detective Inspector Steve Symms of Bournemouth CID said: “We sympathise with the personal reasons for the request (by the family for the photos to be withheld from the abuser) being made and recognise we are in a difficult position that may seem contrary to public opinion.

“However, as the police, we must operate impartially within the law as it stands.”

The schoolgirl victim and her mother are outraged at the legal position and say it is unacceptable, morally wrong and a breach of human rights.

The victim’s mother, who is now divorced from the man, told the Daily Echo: “As a family, we are astounded and very angry that we could be put in this position by the law.

“Pictures of my daughters being returned to him is just not acceptable. They have both been through enough.

“It’s an appalling situation.

“I have no idea how he plans to interact with these pictures.

“He had already tried to request the back-up drive of our family photos through my divorce solicitor.

“I just can’t believe the police are powerless and cannot exercise common sense. This is just furthering the suffering of my daughter.”

Dorset police commissioner Martyn Underhill described the situation as “absolutely ludicrous”.

To sign an e-petition calling for a change in the legislation click here 

He told the Echo: “It’s totally and utterly wrong that the family should have been put in this position – or any other victim for that matter.

“I’ll go to court before he gets his devices back with the pictures on them.

“We’ll fight this tooth and nail.

“I have spoken to the police but I think they don’t have a leg to stand on as far as the law is concerned.

“They have to give the property back.

“This needs to be blocked legally first of all and then dealt with through a change in the law.

“It’s a gaping legal loophole that must be closed.”

Mr Underhill said he would lobby MPs to gather political support for the law to be reviewed and has launched an epetition.

Meanwhile Liberty, the civil liberties group, has written to Dorset Police on behalf of the family. It says returning the pictures of the victim and her sister to the abuser would be a breach of their human rights and “an unlawful violation of their privacy”. Legal officer Rosie Brighouse, says it would have significant harmful mental effects on the girls – already both suffering the psychological effects of the abuse.

Liberty has asked the police not to return the devices until the photos have been deleted or returned to the girl’s mother. Ms Brighouse says Liberty is likely to seek a judicial review in the High Court.

“He has made a mess of so many lives”

Last December the mother of the victim opened her heart to the Daily Echo over devastating consequences of the abuse.

Sarah (not her real name) explained that what she thought was a normal, loving family life was shattered into a thousand pieces when her younger daughter disclosed she was being abused by her stepdad, Sarah’s husband.

One of the most frightening things about the whole issue was how plausible he was.

“My husband was a churchgoer, a pillar of the community. These abusers are always seemingly the nice, dependable people.

“That is how they manage to insinuate their way into communities and families. It’s also a cover if allegations are made. People would think ‘no, not him. He couldn’t possibly have done that’.

“He’s educated. He appeared to know something about everything which is part of the way they try to control you.

“With hindsight, it’s as though he read a textbook on how to behave while all the time grooming my daughter and those around him.”

Sarah first met the abuser a decade ago.

“I was a single mum and was pleased to have met someone who seemed to be perfect for me and who appeared to love my two daughters. They loved him.

“It is such a betrayal. People like him act like they absolutely adore your children.

“I am trying to deal with this with my daughter while at the same time coming to terms with the fact that my marriage has been a sham all these years.

“I am just so angry at all the devastation he has caused my children.”

“He is sitting in the protection of his prison cell and we are left picking up the pieces.

“He has made a mess of so many lives.”

Dorset Police statement

In a statement, Dorset Police said the laptop and mobile phone were seized in the initial stages of the investigation, but not used evidentially at court as they did not contain indecent images or other evidence of criminality.

“Therefore, destruction orders for the devices or the data on them could not be sought. In such cases, the law is very clear that the police have no option but to return the equipment to its owner in its original condition.

Detective Inspector Steve Symms said he understood that legal avenues were being sought to block the return of the photos.

He added: “We have also asked for legal advice to explore any other options available to us and we are working to identify compromises that could be reached voluntarily.”

Helplines

  • NSPCC 0808 800 5000 nspcc.org.uk
  • Childline 0800 1111 childline.org.uk
  • MOSAC (Mothers of Sexually Abused Children) 0800 980 1958 mosac.org.uk
  • Dorsetactiononabuse.com 01202 732424

Figures

  • 1 in 20 children have been sexually abused
  • Over 90% of those children were abused by someone they know

NSPCC statistics

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1:30am Fri 11 Apr 14

Wageslave says...

This is what should be debated in parliament, not parties in sandbanks. As usual the human rights of the victims are completely ignored.
This is what should be debated in parliament, not parties in sandbanks. As usual the human rights of the victims are completely ignored. Wageslave
  • Score: 57

7:38am Fri 11 Apr 14

wilkiemini says...

I realise the victim needs to be protected but if I were her parent I'd move her away from the area and I'd name him.....he deserves all the crap he'd get from everyone knowing exactly who he is!!
by protecting the victim you are protecting him and he carries on as normal with nobody any wiser that he is a disgusting vile pig of a man who could already be sizing up the next victim as nobody knows who he is?
I realise the victim needs to be protected but if I were her parent I'd move her away from the area and I'd name him.....he deserves all the crap he'd get from everyone knowing exactly who he is!! by protecting the victim you are protecting him and he carries on as normal with nobody any wiser that he is a disgusting vile pig of a man who could already be sizing up the next victim as nobody knows who he is? wilkiemini
  • Score: 36

7:44am Fri 11 Apr 14

BIGTONE says...

The more laws that are made, will conflict with others somewhere down the line.
The more laws that are made, will conflict with others somewhere down the line. BIGTONE
  • Score: 11

8:11am Fri 11 Apr 14

poolebabe says...

Then why is he being released? This shows no remorse. No remorse no rehabilitation. A dangerous man and a continued threat. Never mind about the pictures, keep him locked up!
Then why is he being released? This shows no remorse. No remorse no rehabilitation. A dangerous man and a continued threat. Never mind about the pictures, keep him locked up! poolebabe
  • Score: 33

8:13am Fri 11 Apr 14

Huey says...

This is sooooo wrong, the pictures should NEVER be returned to someone like that
This is sooooo wrong, the pictures should NEVER be returned to someone like that Huey
  • Score: 13

8:14am Fri 11 Apr 14

itsneverblackorwhite says...

Ironically "Liberty" who have in part created this massive problem of human rights have in effect helped this sick pervert to uphold his human rights!
Ironically "Liberty" who have in part created this massive problem of human rights have in effect helped this sick pervert to uphold his human rights! itsneverblackorwhite
  • Score: 24

8:45am Fri 11 Apr 14

Dibbles2 says...

My friend was repeatedly abused by a family member over a period of 13 years and when he was arrested last year and admitted some of the offences the CPS decided not to charge him as there was not enough evidence! Work that one out. He actually confessed to some of it!

If I was this little girls mum I would destroy that back up so that he cant get his hand on it! There are ways and means and I hope Martyn Underhill is successful in preventing him form getting them. I hope this is not being funded by legal aid!
My friend was repeatedly abused by a family member over a period of 13 years and when he was arrested last year and admitted some of the offences the CPS decided not to charge him as there was not enough evidence! Work that one out. He actually confessed to some of it! If I was this little girls mum I would destroy that back up so that he cant get his hand on it! There are ways and means and I hope Martyn Underhill is successful in preventing him form getting them. I hope this is not being funded by legal aid! Dibbles2
  • Score: 19

9:05am Fri 11 Apr 14

victhevic says...

If this property went "missing" what could be done. I had some property taken many years ago by the police. No charges were brought and I requested its return but never got it back. It mysteriously disappeared. It was a handbag with a phone and purse in it. Nothing to victimise anyone else and all belonged to me. Shame that can t happen to these things eh. He should not be allowed any pics of his victim ever.
If this property went "missing" what could be done. I had some property taken many years ago by the police. No charges were brought and I requested its return but never got it back. It mysteriously disappeared. It was a handbag with a phone and purse in it. Nothing to victimise anyone else and all belonged to me. Shame that can t happen to these things eh. He should not be allowed any pics of his victim ever. victhevic
  • Score: 14

9:28am Fri 11 Apr 14

Hessenford says...

No need to quote the poxy human rights again, the sooner we get rid of this piece of legislation the better, why not use common sense, its obvious why this scumbag wants the pictures back so bloody well refuse his wish and to hell with the any E.U rulings.
No need to quote the poxy human rights again, the sooner we get rid of this piece of legislation the better, why not use common sense, its obvious why this scumbag wants the pictures back so bloody well refuse his wish and to hell with the any E.U rulings. Hessenford
  • Score: 13

9:44am Fri 11 Apr 14

Jaywall says...

Surly the police can defend themselves deleting them by saying these images (which may/probably have been taken by him) were taken in the mind of misusing and mistreating them and undeniably for sexual gratification. There for the images are "indecent image of a child under 18". Disgusting to think this many can carry on mentally abusing this girl. I wish her the best of luck overcoming what this man has done. Scum.
Surly the police can defend themselves deleting them by saying these images (which may/probably have been taken by him) were taken in the mind of misusing and mistreating them and undeniably for sexual gratification. There for the images are "indecent image of a child under 18". Disgusting to think this many can carry on mentally abusing this girl. I wish her the best of luck overcoming what this man has done. Scum. Jaywall
  • Score: 10

9:59am Fri 11 Apr 14

In Absentia says...

It can't be that difficult for a large coffee to be 'accidentally' knocked over this laptop, surely?
It can't be that difficult for a large coffee to be 'accidentally' knocked over this laptop, surely? In Absentia
  • Score: 18

10:17am Fri 11 Apr 14

ashleycross says...

The Children's Act can be used to protect children. An injunction could be obtained to stop the photographs being returned. The act came in in 1989 and it is a shame that news of it still doesn't seem to to have reached dorset.

For a really interesting investigation why don't you get a freedom of information act application in for the amount of poole's council tax that is spent on supervision of paedophiles having access visits to children?
The Children's Act can be used to protect children. An injunction could be obtained to stop the photographs being returned. The act came in in 1989 and it is a shame that news of it still doesn't seem to to have reached dorset. For a really interesting investigation why don't you get a freedom of information act application in for the amount of poole's council tax that is spent on supervision of paedophiles having access visits to children? ashleycross
  • Score: 10

11:05am Fri 11 Apr 14

Dibbles2 says...

I have just reread this as it was bothering me a little and noticed that he was sentenced to 9 years last year. The prison can stop him having photos of his victim. Then at least it gives some breathing space to be able fight this ridiculous ruling.

Its not like he allowed his laptop anyway where he is.
I have just reread this as it was bothering me a little and noticed that he was sentenced to 9 years last year. The prison can stop him having photos of his victim. Then at least it gives some breathing space to be able fight this ridiculous ruling. Its not like he allowed his laptop anyway where he is. Dibbles2
  • Score: 6

11:06am Fri 11 Apr 14

twynham says...

Martyn Underhill's e-petition
Stop sex offenders retaining photo's of their victims
http://epetitions.di
rect.gov.uk/petition
s/63590
Martyn Underhill's e-petition Stop sex offenders retaining photo's of their victims http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/63590 twynham
  • Score: 5

11:22am Fri 11 Apr 14

black_rat says...

Why didn't Dorset Police request a destruction order for the items when he was convicted - that is normally the case and it would have been granted due to the severity of the offences !!!
But it's not the Police fault - right !
Why didn't Dorset Police request a destruction order for the items when he was convicted - that is normally the case and it would have been granted due to the severity of the offences !!! But it's not the Police fault - right ! black_rat
  • Score: -3

11:29am Fri 11 Apr 14

Norman Stansfield says...

BIGTONE wrote:
The more laws that are made, will conflict with others somewhere down the line.
Tone, you are quite correct. However, conversely, the law has also not kept pace with technological and social changes since the early nineties. Less, laws that are updated better and more frequently is the order of the day. Updated by people who understand the modern world too. Clearly this bloke's kit should be returned to him, wiped.
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: The more laws that are made, will conflict with others somewhere down the line.[/p][/quote]Tone, you are quite correct. However, conversely, the law has also not kept pace with technological and social changes since the early nineties. Less, laws that are updated better and more frequently is the order of the day. Updated by people who understand the modern world too. Clearly this bloke's kit should be returned to him, wiped. Norman Stansfield
  • Score: 1

11:36am Fri 11 Apr 14

Norman Stansfield says...

Also, 2 other points. The photo of the girl on the park bench : what's the point of that exactly? How does it help this story? Are you that desperate for a Secondly, our PCC is looking incresingly like Phil 'The Power' Taylor.
Also, 2 other points. The photo of the girl on the park bench : what's the point of that exactly? How does it help this story? Are you that desperate for a Secondly, our PCC is looking incresingly like Phil 'The Power' Taylor. Norman Stansfield
  • Score: 1

11:41am Fri 11 Apr 14

ScoobyVic says...

Having been the victim of a 'Step-Father' Paedophile for many years until I got taken into care by social services at the age of 12, I can completely understand the girl wanting to stay anonymous as people treat you differently if they know you've been abused. As the photos are of the girls themselves can't they demand that they're destroyed? Surely as the images are of them they should have a say who can have them and who can't?
Anyway, I hope the girls and their mum can move on and try and have as much of a normal life as possible, it can happen, slowly and with the right people around them, counsellors for mum and girls and lots of very caring and patient friends xx
Having been the victim of a 'Step-Father' Paedophile for many years until I got taken into care by social services at the age of 12, I can completely understand the girl wanting to stay anonymous as people treat you differently if they know you've been abused. As the photos are of the girls themselves can't they demand that they're destroyed? Surely as the images are of them they should have a say who can have them and who can't? Anyway, I hope the girls and their mum can move on and try and have as much of a normal life as possible, it can happen, slowly and with the right people around them, counsellors for mum and girls and lots of very caring and patient friends xx ScoobyVic
  • Score: 8

12:31pm Fri 11 Apr 14

arti273 says...

I wonder if anyone has asked the convict if he specifically wants the photos of the children back or if this is just a global request from his lawyer for the return of all his property in police possession?

If he was remotely remorseful, he would see the hurt this was causing his ex-wife and children (although I hope they are being shielded from all this), and say "fine, delete the images".
I wonder if anyone has asked the convict if he specifically wants the photos of the children back or if this is just a global request from his lawyer for the return of all his property in police possession? If he was remotely remorseful, he would see the hurt this was causing his ex-wife and children (although I hope they are being shielded from all this), and say "fine, delete the images". arti273
  • Score: 2

12:36pm Fri 11 Apr 14

davecook says...

What would happen to a policeman if he "accidentally" destroyed the images on the laptop? Who is going to prosecute him, and would any jury actually convict him for destroying them? My other thought is that the laptop should be given to the girl as compensation, and she can then destroy it if she wants to, as part of moving on to try and restore what life she can. That's the nice side of me writing. What I'd really like to do is give him the pictures but put his eyes out so he can never see them or anything else. Shame it's illegal........
What would happen to a policeman if he "accidentally" destroyed the images on the laptop? Who is going to prosecute him, and would any jury actually convict him for destroying them? My other thought is that the laptop should be given to the girl as compensation, and she can then destroy it if she wants to, as part of moving on to try and restore what life she can. That's the nice side of me writing. What I'd really like to do is give him the pictures but put his eyes out so he can never see them or anything else. Shame it's illegal........ davecook
  • Score: 7

12:45pm Fri 11 Apr 14

royeveleigh says...

Firstly copyright law offers some protection and the original photographer has right of claim to the photo's and can, if it is not the abuser who has claim, demand the photo's are deleted. Secondly the Anti Terrorism and Counter Terrorism laws forbid the taking of photographs for criminal use. As it is clear that the offender has no intention of using the photographs for any other use than criminal activity, as he has already been convicted of an offence relating to photographs of the same person, the computer CAN be ceased and the photo's removed or the drive completely destroyed. As a victim of abuse my heart goes out to the family and the victims additional suffering. I'm glad that at last Mr Underhill seems to be doing his job properly in this case and hope he succeeds in his task. I would encourage strong public support and lobbying of your local MP to ensure this matter is raised in the Houses of Parliament.
Firstly copyright law offers some protection and the original photographer has right of claim to the photo's and can, if it is not the abuser who has claim, demand the photo's are deleted. Secondly the Anti Terrorism and Counter Terrorism laws forbid the taking of photographs for criminal use. As it is clear that the offender has no intention of using the photographs for any other use than criminal activity, as he has already been convicted of an offence relating to photographs of the same person, the computer CAN be ceased and the photo's removed or the drive completely destroyed. As a victim of abuse my heart goes out to the family and the victims additional suffering. I'm glad that at last Mr Underhill seems to be doing his job properly in this case and hope he succeeds in his task. I would encourage strong public support and lobbying of your local MP to ensure this matter is raised in the Houses of Parliament. royeveleigh
  • Score: 6

1:26pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Wageslave says...

Jaywall wrote:
Surly the police can defend themselves deleting them by saying these images (which may/probably have been taken by him) were taken in the mind of misusing and mistreating them and undeniably for sexual gratification. There for the images are "indecent image of a child under 18". Disgusting to think this many can carry on mentally abusing this girl. I wish her the best of luck overcoming what this man has done. Scum.
These images can be distorted by him if he gets them back. This happened to my friends daughter in the USA, a completely different body was attached to her picture. Vile pig..
[quote][p][bold]Jaywall[/bold] wrote: Surly the police can defend themselves deleting them by saying these images (which may/probably have been taken by him) were taken in the mind of misusing and mistreating them and undeniably for sexual gratification. There for the images are "indecent image of a child under 18". Disgusting to think this many can carry on mentally abusing this girl. I wish her the best of luck overcoming what this man has done. Scum.[/p][/quote]These images can be distorted by him if he gets them back. This happened to my friends daughter in the USA, a completely different body was attached to her picture. Vile pig.. Wageslave
  • Score: 5

1:42pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Dibbles2 says...

arti273 wrote:
I wonder if anyone has asked the convict if he specifically wants the photos of the children back or if this is just a global request from his lawyer for the return of all his property in police possession?

If he was remotely remorseful, he would see the hurt this was causing his ex-wife and children (although I hope they are being shielded from all this), and say "fine, delete the images".
He has also requested a hard drive back up file that his ex wife had.
[quote][p][bold]arti273[/bold] wrote: I wonder if anyone has asked the convict if he specifically wants the photos of the children back or if this is just a global request from his lawyer for the return of all his property in police possession? If he was remotely remorseful, he would see the hurt this was causing his ex-wife and children (although I hope they are being shielded from all this), and say "fine, delete the images".[/p][/quote]He has also requested a hard drive back up file that his ex wife had. Dibbles2
  • Score: 5

4:02pm Fri 11 Apr 14

arti273 says...

Dibbles2 wrote:
arti273 wrote:
I wonder if anyone has asked the convict if he specifically wants the photos of the children back or if this is just a global request from his lawyer for the return of all his property in police possession?

If he was remotely remorseful, he would see the hurt this was causing his ex-wife and children (although I hope they are being shielded from all this), and say "fine, delete the images".
He has also requested a hard drive back up file that his ex wife had.
You're quite right. In that case he clearly has no concern over the people whose lives he has destroyed and I hope that is taken into consideration at his parole hearing.
[quote][p][bold]Dibbles2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arti273[/bold] wrote: I wonder if anyone has asked the convict if he specifically wants the photos of the children back or if this is just a global request from his lawyer for the return of all his property in police possession? If he was remotely remorseful, he would see the hurt this was causing his ex-wife and children (although I hope they are being shielded from all this), and say "fine, delete the images".[/p][/quote]He has also requested a hard drive back up file that his ex wife had.[/p][/quote]You're quite right. In that case he clearly has no concern over the people whose lives he has destroyed and I hope that is taken into consideration at his parole hearing. arti273
  • Score: 4

4:58pm Fri 11 Apr 14

RivermeadMike says...

It's a no brainier! The police should use their brains and either lose the laptop or delete the photos in question.

After all it seems the poor girl and her mother want them deleted so it seems these photos were taken without permission. If the rat had been taking the photos outside a school I bet it he police would have come down on him like a ton of bricks. What's the difference?

All it needs is a smidgen of brain to resolve the issue!
It's a no brainier! The police should use their brains and either lose the laptop or delete the photos in question. After all it seems the poor girl and her mother want them deleted so it seems these photos were taken without permission. If the rat had been taking the photos outside a school I bet it he police would have come down on him like a ton of bricks. What's the difference? All it needs is a smidgen of brain to resolve the issue! RivermeadMike
  • Score: 0

5:14pm Fri 11 Apr 14

TheDistrict says...

I was under the impression that evidence such as this used in a case is kept by the authorities and eventually destroyed. Not returned to the person who has been convicted of the crime.

Someone withdraw the laptop from the evidence room for report purposes, and accidentally spill coffee, water, acid anything, and destroy it before it destroys this girl and her family.

I hope he is having a rough life inside, paedophiles normally do.
I was under the impression that evidence such as this used in a case is kept by the authorities and eventually destroyed. Not returned to the person who has been convicted of the crime. Someone withdraw the laptop from the evidence room for report purposes, and accidentally spill coffee, water, acid anything, and destroy it before it destroys this girl and her family. I hope he is having a rough life inside, paedophiles normally do. TheDistrict
  • Score: 3

5:26pm Fri 11 Apr 14

breamoreboy says...

victhevic wrote:
If this property went "missing" what could be done. I had some property taken many years ago by the police. No charges were brought and I requested its return but never got it back. It mysteriously disappeared. It was a handbag with a phone and purse in it. Nothing to victimise anyone else and all belonged to me. Shame that can t happen to these things eh. He should not be allowed any pics of his victim ever.
The property needn't go missing. If someone were to completely wipe the hard drives by inadvertently passing a very strong magnetic field over the hard drives that should do the trick. Allegedly.
[quote][p][bold]victhevic[/bold] wrote: If this property went "missing" what could be done. I had some property taken many years ago by the police. No charges were brought and I requested its return but never got it back. It mysteriously disappeared. It was a handbag with a phone and purse in it. Nothing to victimise anyone else and all belonged to me. Shame that can t happen to these things eh. He should not be allowed any pics of his victim ever.[/p][/quote]The property needn't go missing. If someone were to completely wipe the hard drives by inadvertently passing a very strong magnetic field over the hard drives that should do the trick. Allegedly. breamoreboy
  • Score: 5

5:51pm Fri 11 Apr 14

pooledj says...

at least it wasn't Wiggsy this time he would of ordered the sickening defendant a community order with community service in photo developing. Keep this sick man locked away forever
at least it wasn't Wiggsy this time he would of ordered the sickening defendant a community order with community service in photo developing. Keep this sick man locked away forever pooledj
  • Score: 4

6:21pm Fri 11 Apr 14

glendower2909 says...

Come on Plod. You are always trying to get the public on side. So lose the laptop. Not hard.

Who's gonna moan.
Come on Plod. You are always trying to get the public on side. So lose the laptop. Not hard. Who's gonna moan. glendower2909
  • Score: 6

6:24pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Yankee1 says...

If his lawyer is on the ball, he will willingly delete (or authorise deletion) of these files at a time which will affect - positively for him - any appeal or request for early release from prison.

My guess is that these photos are a 'bargaining chip'. How sick.

Just smash the computer's hard drive, and call it 'rodent damage'.
If his lawyer is on the ball, he will willingly delete (or authorise deletion) of these files at a time which will affect - positively for him - any appeal or request for early release from prison. My guess is that these photos are a 'bargaining chip'. How sick. Just smash the computer's hard drive, and call it 'rodent damage'. Yankee1
  • Score: 4

6:57pm Fri 11 Apr 14

agp1337 says...

Yankee1 wrote:
If his lawyer is on the ball, he will willingly delete (or authorise deletion) of these files at a time which will affect - positively for him - any appeal or request for early release from prison.

My guess is that these photos are a 'bargaining chip'. How sick.

Just smash the computer's hard drive, and call it 'rodent damage'.
I actually informed the Daily Mail about this article this morning and it's now on their online site (obviously I don't know about the printed paper tomorrow). This is called the law, and it needs changing - but it must be done within the law. The poor girl has suffered enough without these non-indecent images being back in his hands. Mr Underhill, go for it! It's a serious issue.
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: If his lawyer is on the ball, he will willingly delete (or authorise deletion) of these files at a time which will affect - positively for him - any appeal or request for early release from prison. My guess is that these photos are a 'bargaining chip'. How sick. Just smash the computer's hard drive, and call it 'rodent damage'.[/p][/quote]I actually informed the Daily Mail about this article this morning and it's now on their online site (obviously I don't know about the printed paper tomorrow). This is called the law, and it needs changing - but it must be done within the law. The poor girl has suffered enough without these non-indecent images being back in his hands. Mr Underhill, go for it! It's a serious issue. agp1337
  • Score: 6

12:05am Sat 12 Apr 14

BIGTONE says...

Norman Stansfield wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
The more laws that are made, will conflict with others somewhere down the line.
Tone, you are quite correct. However, conversely, the law has also not kept pace with technological and social changes since the early nineties. Less, laws that are updated better and more frequently is the order of the day. Updated by people who understand the modern world too. Clearly this bloke's kit should be returned to him, wiped.
I agree with that. However,the lawmakers themselves don't keep up with and implement the changes properly.
For an example,some years ago I became involved with the Telecommunications agency over an issue of potential breach of a said law. I did a little research and found a newer law superseded the original one.
They had to issue an apology letter. This has been happening for years in all aspects of law.
[quote][p][bold]Norman Stansfield[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: The more laws that are made, will conflict with others somewhere down the line.[/p][/quote]Tone, you are quite correct. However, conversely, the law has also not kept pace with technological and social changes since the early nineties. Less, laws that are updated better and more frequently is the order of the day. Updated by people who understand the modern world too. Clearly this bloke's kit should be returned to him, wiped.[/p][/quote]I agree with that. However,the lawmakers themselves don't keep up with and implement the changes properly. For an example,some years ago I became involved with the Telecommunications agency over an issue of potential breach of a said law. I did a little research and found a newer law superseded the original one. They had to issue an apology letter. This has been happening for years in all aspects of law. BIGTONE
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12:14am Sat 12 Apr 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

itsneverblackorwhite wrote:
Ironically "Liberty" who have in part created this massive problem of human rights have in effect helped this sick pervert to uphold his human rights!
Don't most claim that to be in a prison close to their family? Will this monster get to see them regularly?
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The law is absurd and an absolute ****!
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Where is the child's human right for shred of dignity?
[quote][p][bold]itsneverblackorwhite[/bold] wrote: Ironically "Liberty" who have in part created this massive problem of human rights have in effect helped this sick pervert to uphold his human rights![/p][/quote]Don't most claim that to be in a prison close to their family? Will this monster get to see them regularly? . The law is absurd and an absolute ****! . Where is the child's human right for shred of dignity? HRH of Boscombe
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