VIDEO: Shocking footage of serious motorcycle crash released as warning to bikers

Bournemouth Echo: Inspector Matt Butler from Dorset Police's traffic unit Inspector Matt Butler from Dorset Police's traffic unit

A SHOCKING video of a crash involving a motorcyclist has been released by Dorset Police as a warning to others.

The rider of the bike was filmed filtering along Alder Road in Poole when his motorcycle was in collision with a car coming out of a side road.

The 30-year-old, from Poole, sustained multiple injuries, including a broken leg, spinal fracture and tissue damage. He spent three weeks in hospital.

No one else was injured in the collision.

Dorset’s top traffic officer Inspector Matt Butler says: “The motorcyclist was travelling far too fast for the road conditions, resulting in a really nasty collision.

“We have released this video as a warning to other motorcyclists. Please drive carefully and responsibly. If you don’t you too could end up with serious injuries or even killed.”

Police Constable Chris Smith, Dorset’s BikeSafe coordinator, says a number of collisions, including the one featured in the video, have involved motorcyclists failing to filter past traffic safely.

“Filtering is perfectly legal for bikers to do but only when done safely. Some recent collisions have involved riders travelling far too fast to be able to react to changes in front of them.

“The most recent case saw the rider travelling at speeds which would not even have been safe for a police bike with the lights and siren working.

“I urge all bikers when they filter to do so at a speed at which you are able to stop if anything pulls out in front of you.

"The motorcyclist in this video may have avoided the car had he been travelling at more appropriate speed.”

Bikers are urged to:

• Make yourself as visible as possible from the side as well as the front and rear.

• Wear a light or brightly coloured helmet and fluorescent clothing or strips.

• Put on your dipped headlights – even in good daylight.

• Be aware that other vehicle drivers may still not have seen you, or judged your distance or speed correctly, especially at junctions.

Nine motorcyclists lost their lives in collisions on Dorset’s roads between 1 January 2013 and 31 December 2013 and 77 suffered serious injuries. Four motorcyclists died and 92 were seriously injured in 2012.

Inspector Butler says bikers need to be aware of their riding abilities and has called on all motorists to concentrate and remember the many potential hazards on our roads.

“When you use the roads you need to be aware that there are inherent dangers.

“All road users need to take just a little more time to ensure they can react to changes in road conditions ahead of them.

“We know that last year 86 bikers were killed or seriously injured on Dorset’s roads and 96 the year before. What we must remember is that these are not just statistics - these are real people with families who have had their lives shattered.

“That is why we encourage bikers to sign up to BikeSafe which will give them the skills to be safer on the road. All motorists must make sure they take the time to look properly before pulling out of a junction and ‘Think Bike’.”

A series of BikeSafe courses are being held across Dorset between March and September 2014.

The two-day weekend course costs just £25 and is for anyone who rides a bike with an engine size of at least 250cc. It consists of a theory element followed by an assessed ride.

For more information, or to book a place, please visit the national BikeSafe website www.bikesafe.co.uk.

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2:14pm Wed 2 Apr 14

tramp_about_town says...

Those 2 wheel machines are a flaming menace and should be banned from "filtering". Insp Butler should not be implying that the rider in the video was "filtering" when it is pretty obvious that he was driving without due care and attention and dangerous driving. Motorcyclists are an arrogant lot that think they own the road and that everyone should "Think bike" when in reality it's about time they "think car". As such a vunerable road user perhaps they should drive at safer speeds, not weave in and out of traffic under the pretence of "filtering", stop pulling wheelies at traffic lights along Holes Bay Road during leatherclad biker nights, ride along hands free and have some more courtesy for other road users. Bikers seem to have this idea that cars should get out of their way or pull to the side when wanting to overtake at ridiculous speeds and when it all goes wrong who do they blame, the car driver of course. Motorbikes should be speed limited. Motorcycle licenses should be be able to be applied for once the car test has been done so bikers have an insight in to what life is actually like in a car. For those that are now going to comment and bang on about how unsafe it is to be on a bike I suggest you slow down a bit as clearly you are doing something to put yourself in that unsafe position.
Those 2 wheel machines are a flaming menace and should be banned from "filtering". Insp Butler should not be implying that the rider in the video was "filtering" when it is pretty obvious that he was driving without due care and attention and dangerous driving. Motorcyclists are an arrogant lot that think they own the road and that everyone should "Think bike" when in reality it's about time they "think car". As such a vunerable road user perhaps they should drive at safer speeds, not weave in and out of traffic under the pretence of "filtering", stop pulling wheelies at traffic lights along Holes Bay Road during leatherclad biker nights, ride along hands free and have some more courtesy for other road users. Bikers seem to have this idea that cars should get out of their way or pull to the side when wanting to overtake at ridiculous speeds and when it all goes wrong who do they blame, the car driver of course. Motorbikes should be speed limited. Motorcycle licenses should be be able to be applied for once the car test has been done so bikers have an insight in to what life is actually like in a car. For those that are now going to comment and bang on about how unsafe it is to be on a bike I suggest you slow down a bit as clearly you are doing something to put yourself in that unsafe position. tramp_about_town
  • Score: -37

2:32pm Wed 2 Apr 14

speedy231278 says...

Appears the first poster failed their bike test.

However, the rider in question is clearly an idiot. Far too fast, and the more serious issue of overtaking at a junction. This weekend just gone I was back in Sussex, chose not to overtake a couple of cars infront of me, and lo and behold, the bike behind me whistled past my ear and did so, just as one of them let a LandRover out of a side road. He missed it, but only just, vindicating my decision to stick to the Highway Code.

The idiot poster spouting uneducated and asinine drivel above is probably the same sort of person that blames everyone else for all their problems and drives at 40mph everywhere, including 30 limits.
Appears the first poster failed their bike test. However, the rider in question is clearly an idiot. Far too fast, and the more serious issue of overtaking at a junction. This weekend just gone I was back in Sussex, chose not to overtake a couple of cars infront of me, and lo and behold, the bike behind me whistled past my ear and did so, just as one of them let a LandRover out of a side road. He missed it, but only just, vindicating my decision to stick to the Highway Code. The idiot poster spouting uneducated and asinine drivel above is probably the same sort of person that blames everyone else for all their problems and drives at 40mph everywhere, including 30 limits. speedy231278
  • Score: 62

2:49pm Wed 2 Apr 14

BarrHumbug says...

The guy is an idiot, its my belief that you should filter at not more than 10mph faster than the traffic your passing, he was going a lot faster than that.
I agree with with the first comment about bikers only being issued a bike licence once they have past their car test but not so they know what its like for a car driver but so they find out what unexpected things car drivers can do, Those four years of experience behind the wheel taught me a wealth of things about drivers good and bad habits before I took my bike test. But then that philosophy could apply the other way around too, making for better car drivers.
The guy is an idiot, its my belief that you should filter at not more than 10mph faster than the traffic your passing, he was going a lot faster than that. I agree with with the first comment about bikers only being issued a bike licence once they have past their car test but not so they know what its like for a car driver but so they find out what unexpected things car drivers can do, Those four years of experience behind the wheel taught me a wealth of things about drivers good and bad habits before I took my bike test. But then that philosophy could apply the other way around too, making for better car drivers. BarrHumbug
  • Score: 28

3:22pm Wed 2 Apr 14

speedy231278 says...

I wonder if the 'car on a power cable' or 'car crashes into Chinese takeway' stories which are also both on today's front page will prompt a Police video about rubbish drivers, or if as usual they will decide simply to keep up the myth that only bike riders have silly accidents that could have been prevented?

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I wonder if the 'car on a power cable' or 'car crashes into Chinese takeway' stories which are also both on today's front page will prompt a Police video about rubbish drivers, or if as usual they will decide simply to keep up the myth that only bike riders have silly accidents that could have been prevented? http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/11 118833.Car_ends_up_h anging_around_after_ New_Forest_crash/ http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/11 119425.Car_crashes_i nto_front_of_Chinese _takeaway_in_Bournem outh/ speedy231278
  • Score: 0

3:50pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Davey Boy2000 says...

speedy231278 wrote:
I wonder if the 'car on a power cable' or 'car crashes into Chinese takeway' stories which are also both on today's front page will prompt a Police video about rubbish drivers, or if as usual they will decide simply to keep up the myth that only bike riders have silly accidents that could have been prevented?

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I think you've missed the point here, if a bike rider had been involved in either of those two accidents they may well have been killed or seriously hurt. Motorcyclists need to take responsibility for their own actions (as do car drivers), but biker have much higher chance of fatality.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: I wonder if the 'car on a power cable' or 'car crashes into Chinese takeway' stories which are also both on today's front page will prompt a Police video about rubbish drivers, or if as usual they will decide simply to keep up the myth that only bike riders have silly accidents that could have been prevented? http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/11 118833.Car_ends_up_h anging_around_after_ New_Forest_crash/ http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/11 119425.Car_crashes_i nto_front_of_Chinese _takeaway_in_Bournem outh/[/p][/quote]I think you've missed the point here, if a bike rider had been involved in either of those two accidents they may well have been killed or seriously hurt. Motorcyclists need to take responsibility for their own actions (as do car drivers), but biker have much higher chance of fatality. Davey Boy2000
  • Score: 14

3:56pm Wed 2 Apr 14

carol_uk says...

what an idiot,bikers never learn
what an idiot,bikers never learn carol_uk
  • Score: -6

4:00pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Hawkstone says...

I am a motorcyclist of 30 years....filtering.. my backside. He was lucky to escape with his life. No wonder all motorcyclists are tarred with the same brush.
I am a motorcyclist of 30 years....filtering.. my backside. He was lucky to escape with his life. No wonder all motorcyclists are tarred with the same brush. Hawkstone
  • Score: 45

4:08pm Wed 2 Apr 14

crackajack says...

I'm a biker and you have to Read the road, the longer the white lines the more of a danger and never over take when a junction is coming up. I think a lot of them have to go back to basics. The speed was also a big factor here as well, there was no way he could of stopped........a good case of dangerous driving.Stay safe out there!
I'm a biker and you have to Read the road, the longer the white lines the more of a danger and never over take when a junction is coming up. I think a lot of them have to go back to basics. The speed was also a big factor here as well, there was no way he could of stopped........a good case of dangerous driving.Stay safe out there! crackajack
  • Score: 29

4:12pm Wed 2 Apr 14

miltonarcher says...

I witnessed a biker on the M3 last night, lane 3, estimated speed, 130mph. Brain dead. Not all bikers are stupid by any means but I would say most of them are guilty of excessive speed, undertaking, weaving in and out of traffic, tailgating. Recently we had that fool campaining against mobile speed cameras because of the tragic death of a biker speeding at over 80 mph in a 50 limit. Get real.
I witnessed a biker on the M3 last night, lane 3, estimated speed, 130mph. Brain dead. Not all bikers are stupid by any means but I would say most of them are guilty of excessive speed, undertaking, weaving in and out of traffic, tailgating. Recently we had that fool campaining against mobile speed cameras because of the tragic death of a biker speeding at over 80 mph in a 50 limit. Get real. miltonarcher
  • Score: 11

4:15pm Wed 2 Apr 14

saynomore says...

It is amazing that motorcyclist think that the "Hatched "area dividing single carriage way is a special centre lane for them,so stupid and dangerous.
It is amazing that motorcyclist think that the "Hatched "area dividing single carriage way is a special centre lane for them,so stupid and dangerous. saynomore
  • Score: 4

4:29pm Wed 2 Apr 14

suzigirl says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Appears the first poster failed their bike test. However, the rider in question is clearly an idiot. Far too fast, and the more serious issue of overtaking at a junction. This weekend just gone I was back in Sussex, chose not to overtake a couple of cars infront of me, and lo and behold, the bike behind me whistled past my ear and did so, just as one of them let a LandRover out of a side road. He missed it, but only just, vindicating my decision to stick to the Highway Code. The idiot poster spouting uneducated and asinine drivel above is probably the same sort of person that blames everyone else for all their problems and drives at 40mph everywhere, including 30 limits.
Totally agree with you. I only filter when safe to do so and definitely not near a junction! Like any mode of transport, car, motorbike, bicycle there are always a few idiots which gives a bad name to others.

I reckon "tramp about town" drives a Micra, wears glasses and a hat and can't see over the steering wheel! Micra alert! Micra alert!
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Appears the first poster failed their bike test. However, the rider in question is clearly an idiot. Far too fast, and the more serious issue of overtaking at a junction. This weekend just gone I was back in Sussex, chose not to overtake a couple of cars infront of me, and lo and behold, the bike behind me whistled past my ear and did so, just as one of them let a LandRover out of a side road. He missed it, but only just, vindicating my decision to stick to the Highway Code. The idiot poster spouting uneducated and asinine drivel above is probably the same sort of person that blames everyone else for all their problems and drives at 40mph everywhere, including 30 limits.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. I only filter when safe to do so and definitely not near a junction! Like any mode of transport, car, motorbike, bicycle there are always a few idiots which gives a bad name to others. I reckon "tramp about town" drives a Micra, wears glasses and a hat and can't see over the steering wheel! Micra alert! Micra alert! suzigirl
  • Score: 5

4:35pm Wed 2 Apr 14

suzigirl says...

carol_uk wrote:
what an idiot,bikers never learn
Stupid comment!
[quote][p][bold]carol_uk[/bold] wrote: what an idiot,bikers never learn[/p][/quote]Stupid comment! suzigirl
  • Score: 5

4:40pm Wed 2 Apr 14

suzigirl says...

tramp_about_town wrote:
Those 2 wheel machines are a flaming menace and should be banned from "filtering". Insp Butler should not be implying that the rider in the video was "filtering" when it is pretty obvious that he was driving without due care and attention and dangerous driving. Motorcyclists are an arrogant lot that think they own the road and that everyone should "Think bike" when in reality it's about time they "think car". As such a vunerable road user perhaps they should drive at safer speeds, not weave in and out of traffic under the pretence of "filtering", stop pulling wheelies at traffic lights along Holes Bay Road during leatherclad biker nights, ride along hands free and have some more courtesy for other road users. Bikers seem to have this idea that cars should get out of their way or pull to the side when wanting to overtake at ridiculous speeds and when it all goes wrong who do they blame, the car driver of course. Motorbikes should be speed limited. Motorcycle licenses should be be able to be applied for once the car test has been done so bikers have an insight in to what life is actually like in a car. For those that are now going to comment and bang on about how unsafe it is to be on a bike I suggest you slow down a bit as clearly you are doing something to put yourself in that unsafe position.
The Police should have their cameras down Ashley Road on any morning and catch the cyclists going through red traffic lights - how stupid is that then! I seen a cyclist the other day (actually in a cycle lane for a change)with both hands off the handlebars merrily talking on his mobile phone. What an idiot........ He only had to hit a bump/hole in the road and he could have fallen off into the path of a car which of course would be the car driver's fault........
[quote][p][bold]tramp_about_town[/bold] wrote: Those 2 wheel machines are a flaming menace and should be banned from "filtering". Insp Butler should not be implying that the rider in the video was "filtering" when it is pretty obvious that he was driving without due care and attention and dangerous driving. Motorcyclists are an arrogant lot that think they own the road and that everyone should "Think bike" when in reality it's about time they "think car". As such a vunerable road user perhaps they should drive at safer speeds, not weave in and out of traffic under the pretence of "filtering", stop pulling wheelies at traffic lights along Holes Bay Road during leatherclad biker nights, ride along hands free and have some more courtesy for other road users. Bikers seem to have this idea that cars should get out of their way or pull to the side when wanting to overtake at ridiculous speeds and when it all goes wrong who do they blame, the car driver of course. Motorbikes should be speed limited. Motorcycle licenses should be be able to be applied for once the car test has been done so bikers have an insight in to what life is actually like in a car. For those that are now going to comment and bang on about how unsafe it is to be on a bike I suggest you slow down a bit as clearly you are doing something to put yourself in that unsafe position.[/p][/quote]The Police should have their cameras down Ashley Road on any morning and catch the cyclists going through red traffic lights - how stupid is that then! I seen a cyclist the other day (actually in a cycle lane for a change)with both hands off the handlebars merrily talking on his mobile phone. What an idiot........ He only had to hit a bump/hole in the road and he could have fallen off into the path of a car which of course would be the car driver's fault........ suzigirl
  • Score: 5

4:42pm Wed 2 Apr 14

suzigirl says...

miltonarcher wrote:
I witnessed a biker on the M3 last night, lane 3, estimated speed, 130mph. Brain dead. Not all bikers are stupid by any means but I would say most of them are guilty of excessive speed, undertaking, weaving in and out of traffic, tailgating. Recently we had that fool campaining against mobile speed cameras because of the tragic death of a biker speeding at over 80 mph in a 50 limit. Get real.
So car drivers don't speed then?
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: I witnessed a biker on the M3 last night, lane 3, estimated speed, 130mph. Brain dead. Not all bikers are stupid by any means but I would say most of them are guilty of excessive speed, undertaking, weaving in and out of traffic, tailgating. Recently we had that fool campaining against mobile speed cameras because of the tragic death of a biker speeding at over 80 mph in a 50 limit. Get real.[/p][/quote]So car drivers don't speed then? suzigirl
  • Score: 2

4:47pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Lurch003 says...

tramp_about_town wrote:
Those 2 wheel machines are a flaming menace and should be banned from "filtering". Insp Butler should not be implying that the rider in the video was "filtering" when it is pretty obvious that he was driving without due care and attention and dangerous driving. Motorcyclists are an arrogant lot that think they own the road and that everyone should "Think bike" when in reality it's about time they "think car". As such a vunerable road user perhaps they should drive at safer speeds, not weave in and out of traffic under the pretence of "filtering", stop pulling wheelies at traffic lights along Holes Bay Road during leatherclad biker nights, ride along hands free and have some more courtesy for other road users. Bikers seem to have this idea that cars should get out of their way or pull to the side when wanting to overtake at ridiculous speeds and when it all goes wrong who do they blame, the car driver of course. Motorbikes should be speed limited. Motorcycle licenses should be be able to be applied for once the car test has been done so bikers have an insight in to what life is actually like in a car. For those that are now going to comment and bang on about how unsafe it is to be on a bike I suggest you slow down a bit as clearly you are doing something to put yourself in that unsafe position.
Usual armchair abuser present in the comments section - wouldn't be the Echo without it.
Cars hate bikers, bikers hate cars blah blah blah. Some spoil it for all as in all walks of life and everyone gets tarnished with the same brush.
I drive my car, you get bikers acting fools and overtaking in dangerous places but you also get considerate, safe bikers out enjoying themselves.
I ride my bike, you get cars who pull over the white line to stop you filtering SAFELY AND LEGALLY and some even put their windscreen wipers on to try and soak you, whereas you get others that are considerate, notice you're there, and move over when safe to allow you past.
Being a driver and rider has made me more aware and I spent at least 60% of my time in both car and on bike by second guessing what other road users are doing and reacting because they're not paying attention or just a shockingly irresponsible driver.
This rider was at fault 100%, but it doesn't mean EVERY rider is the same. He's learnt his lesson, albeit the hard way.
[quote][p][bold]tramp_about_town[/bold] wrote: Those 2 wheel machines are a flaming menace and should be banned from "filtering". Insp Butler should not be implying that the rider in the video was "filtering" when it is pretty obvious that he was driving without due care and attention and dangerous driving. Motorcyclists are an arrogant lot that think they own the road and that everyone should "Think bike" when in reality it's about time they "think car". As such a vunerable road user perhaps they should drive at safer speeds, not weave in and out of traffic under the pretence of "filtering", stop pulling wheelies at traffic lights along Holes Bay Road during leatherclad biker nights, ride along hands free and have some more courtesy for other road users. Bikers seem to have this idea that cars should get out of their way or pull to the side when wanting to overtake at ridiculous speeds and when it all goes wrong who do they blame, the car driver of course. Motorbikes should be speed limited. Motorcycle licenses should be be able to be applied for once the car test has been done so bikers have an insight in to what life is actually like in a car. For those that are now going to comment and bang on about how unsafe it is to be on a bike I suggest you slow down a bit as clearly you are doing something to put yourself in that unsafe position.[/p][/quote]Usual armchair abuser present in the comments section - wouldn't be the Echo without it. Cars hate bikers, bikers hate cars blah blah blah. Some spoil it for all as in all walks of life and everyone gets tarnished with the same brush. I drive my car, you get bikers acting fools and overtaking in dangerous places but you also get considerate, safe bikers out enjoying themselves. I ride my bike, you get cars who pull over the white line to stop you filtering SAFELY AND LEGALLY and some even put their windscreen wipers on to try and soak you, whereas you get others that are considerate, notice you're there, and move over when safe to allow you past. Being a driver and rider has made me more aware and I spent at least 60% of my time in both car and on bike by second guessing what other road users are doing and reacting because they're not paying attention or just a shockingly irresponsible driver. This rider was at fault 100%, but it doesn't mean EVERY rider is the same. He's learnt his lesson, albeit the hard way. Lurch003
  • Score: 18

5:10pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Ash_69 says...

suzigirl wrote:
tramp_about_town wrote:
Those 2 wheel machines are a flaming menace and should be banned from "filtering". Insp Butler should not be implying that the rider in the video was "filtering" when it is pretty obvious that he was driving without due care and attention and dangerous driving. Motorcyclists are an arrogant lot that think they own the road and that everyone should "Think bike" when in reality it's about time they "think car". As such a vunerable road user perhaps they should drive at safer speeds, not weave in and out of traffic under the pretence of "filtering", stop pulling wheelies at traffic lights along Holes Bay Road during leatherclad biker nights, ride along hands free and have some more courtesy for other road users. Bikers seem to have this idea that cars should get out of their way or pull to the side when wanting to overtake at ridiculous speeds and when it all goes wrong who do they blame, the car driver of course. Motorbikes should be speed limited. Motorcycle licenses should be be able to be applied for once the car test has been done so bikers have an insight in to what life is actually like in a car. For those that are now going to comment and bang on about how unsafe it is to be on a bike I suggest you slow down a bit as clearly you are doing something to put yourself in that unsafe position.
The Police should have their cameras down Ashley Road on any morning and catch the cyclists going through red traffic lights - how stupid is that then! I seen a cyclist the other day (actually in a cycle lane for a change)with both hands off the handlebars merrily talking on his mobile phone. What an idiot........ He only had to hit a bump/hole in the road and he could have fallen off into the path of a car which of course would be the car driver's fault........
Why comment about cyclists. This is a post about motorcyclists and idiotic behaviour from them. The Police are having to go out of their way to remind them of common sense.

It's like that other news story doing the rounds today about the motorcyclist up on the Cat & Fiddle. Now he was very lucky!
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tramp_about_town[/bold] wrote: Those 2 wheel machines are a flaming menace and should be banned from "filtering". Insp Butler should not be implying that the rider in the video was "filtering" when it is pretty obvious that he was driving without due care and attention and dangerous driving. Motorcyclists are an arrogant lot that think they own the road and that everyone should "Think bike" when in reality it's about time they "think car". As such a vunerable road user perhaps they should drive at safer speeds, not weave in and out of traffic under the pretence of "filtering", stop pulling wheelies at traffic lights along Holes Bay Road during leatherclad biker nights, ride along hands free and have some more courtesy for other road users. Bikers seem to have this idea that cars should get out of their way or pull to the side when wanting to overtake at ridiculous speeds and when it all goes wrong who do they blame, the car driver of course. Motorbikes should be speed limited. Motorcycle licenses should be be able to be applied for once the car test has been done so bikers have an insight in to what life is actually like in a car. For those that are now going to comment and bang on about how unsafe it is to be on a bike I suggest you slow down a bit as clearly you are doing something to put yourself in that unsafe position.[/p][/quote]The Police should have their cameras down Ashley Road on any morning and catch the cyclists going through red traffic lights - how stupid is that then! I seen a cyclist the other day (actually in a cycle lane for a change)with both hands off the handlebars merrily talking on his mobile phone. What an idiot........ He only had to hit a bump/hole in the road and he could have fallen off into the path of a car which of course would be the car driver's fault........[/p][/quote]Why comment about cyclists. This is a post about motorcyclists and idiotic behaviour from them. The Police are having to go out of their way to remind them of common sense. It's like that other news story doing the rounds today about the motorcyclist up on the Cat & Fiddle. Now he was very lucky! Ash_69
  • Score: 5

5:13pm Wed 2 Apr 14

transitman68 says...

motorbikes should be speed limited? In that case, all cars should be speed limited too. For your information I passed my car test 4 years ago, and once I realised how pointless it was trying to commute through castle lane and new road I did my CBT and bought a motorbike. YES I filter and I don't overtake like that biker, that was a ridiculous speed and it was obvious the car was slowing down for a reason, but to be fair to many the reason for having a bike is to get past traffic, as well as lower fuel costs, it can be done safely but many choose to ignore that and annoy other road users. So to other bikers, filter but don't do it too fast! But to car drivers, bikes will overtake you, and the one main reason is BECAUSE you are in a car. There are too many cars on the road because a lot of people don't want to walk their children to school. Ever noticed how much better traffic is when it's school holidays? So if you don't like being overtaken and feel jealous that the biker is having more fun and getting around quicker, it's simple, walk, or better yet, purchase a bike yourself, then you'll wonder why you bothered sitting in jams every morning.
motorbikes should be speed limited? In that case, all cars should be speed limited too. For your information I passed my car test 4 years ago, and once I realised how pointless it was trying to commute through castle lane and new road I did my CBT and bought a motorbike. YES I filter and I don't overtake like that biker, that was a ridiculous speed and it was obvious the car was slowing down for a reason, but to be fair to many the reason for having a bike is to get past traffic, as well as lower fuel costs, it can be done safely but many choose to ignore that and annoy other road users. So to other bikers, filter but don't do it too fast! But to car drivers, bikes will overtake you, and the one main reason is BECAUSE you are in a car. There are too many cars on the road because a lot of people don't want to walk their children to school. Ever noticed how much better traffic is when it's school holidays? So if you don't like being overtaken and feel jealous that the biker is having more fun and getting around quicker, it's simple, walk, or better yet, purchase a bike yourself, then you'll wonder why you bothered sitting in jams every morning. transitman68
  • Score: 8

5:15pm Wed 2 Apr 14

adspacebroker says...

Thats what I call a RESULT! I am only sorry that once again an innocent person was involved minding their own business. It is such a shame that there are not enough Police Officers available to make a greater impression on the roads, not their fault of course.
Thats what I call a RESULT! I am only sorry that once again an innocent person was involved minding their own business. It is such a shame that there are not enough Police Officers available to make a greater impression on the roads, not their fault of course. adspacebroker
  • Score: 3

5:24pm Wed 2 Apr 14

CroneofDelphi says...

If that's filtering, I'm a supermodel. Idiot deserved that, he didn't see the car at the junction, he didn't see the policecar, unmarked probably, he overtook either. Gives the rest of us a bad name!!
If that's filtering, I'm a supermodel. Idiot deserved that, he didn't see the car at the junction, he didn't see the policecar, unmarked probably, he overtook either. Gives the rest of us a bad name!! CroneofDelphi
  • Score: 17

5:43pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Solentcherry says...

Filtering ?? Whaaat ?
Have watched this video a few times but cannot fathom out any possible filtering ?
In my opinion this very lucky to still be alive rider should have been prosecuted for dangerous driving and ordered to take a retest or driver awareness course as soon as they are fit enough.
Or will this video be seen by bikers as yet another silly car driver pulling out in front of them from a side road without seeing them coming?
Some degree of self responsibility is needed by bikers ; "Think Car." !!!
Filtering ?? Whaaat ? Have watched this video a few times but cannot fathom out any possible filtering ? In my opinion this very lucky to still be alive rider should have been prosecuted for dangerous driving and ordered to take a retest or driver awareness course as soon as they are fit enough. Or will this video be seen by bikers as yet another silly car driver pulling out in front of them from a side road without seeing them coming? Some degree of self responsibility is needed by bikers ; "Think Car." !!! Solentcherry
  • Score: 8

5:51pm Wed 2 Apr 14

fuhamfc12 says...

I'm sorry to say this but if someone on a motor bike rides like a complete idiot and crashes who is to blame, there are to many people on motor bikes who think they don't need to stick to the speed limit and it's ok to overtake on a bend.

The film the police have shown is shocking. It's not the car drivers fault, it's the bikers fault for being stupid and speeding. I hope he feels lucky to be alive as I'm sure he won't do it again.
I'm sorry to say this but if someone on a motor bike rides like a complete idiot and crashes who is to blame, there are to many people on motor bikes who think they don't need to stick to the speed limit and it's ok to overtake on a bend. The film the police have shown is shocking. It's not the car drivers fault, it's the bikers fault for being stupid and speeding. I hope he feels lucky to be alive as I'm sure he won't do it again. fuhamfc12
  • Score: 8

6:09pm Wed 2 Apr 14

nleader says...

The bike was NOT filtering. That word is used for slowly moving past a line of stationary or slowly- moving traffic.

He was riding recklessly, probably over the speed limit and overtaking on the approach to a junction. There was no safety margin and he got the result his unthinking actions deserved. He went to hospital.

Imagine the same person driving a hot hatchback with the same attitude and lack of planning. The person likely to go to hospital then is an innocent pedestrian, not the driver.

It's not the vehicle that's the problem. It's the rider or driver. Get them off the road for all our sakes. And the same applies to the motorcyclist on the Cat & Fiddle, too - a lovely road to ride safely and unforgiving if you're stupid enough to treat it like a racetrack.
The bike was NOT filtering. That word is used for slowly moving past a line of stationary or slowly- moving traffic. He was riding recklessly, probably over the speed limit and overtaking on the approach to a junction. There was no safety margin and he got the result his unthinking actions deserved. He went to hospital. Imagine the same person driving a hot hatchback with the same attitude and lack of planning. The person likely to go to hospital then is an innocent pedestrian, not the driver. It's not the vehicle that's the problem. It's the rider or driver. Get them off the road for all our sakes. And the same applies to the motorcyclist on the Cat & Fiddle, too - a lovely road to ride safely and unforgiving if you're stupid enough to treat it like a racetrack. nleader
  • Score: 17

6:22pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Imho57 says...

I remember the night it happened and it was chaos everywhere. It was clearly a case of a motorcyclist driving too fast and dangerously. He endangered other road users (How do you think the driver of the car feels) and was lucky to escape with his life!! I remember the air ambulance was scrambled to the Rec as well,I hope that he can foot the bill for this and will also think twice about driving like an idiot again giving motorcyclists a bad name.
I remember the night it happened and it was chaos everywhere. It was clearly a case of a motorcyclist driving too fast and dangerously. He endangered other road users (How do you think the driver of the car feels) and was lucky to escape with his life!! I remember the air ambulance was scrambled to the Rec as well,I hope that he can foot the bill for this and will also think twice about driving like an idiot again giving motorcyclists a bad name. Imho57
  • Score: 5

7:41pm Wed 2 Apr 14

justme20092009 says...

pratt,,simple,feel for the car driver
pratt,,simple,feel for the car driver justme20092009
  • Score: 9

8:13pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Understated says...

im 25 and want to learn to ride a motorbike, even when i do i dont want to take risks, its dangerous enough just being a pedestrian. i dont think its smart to overtake on a bike, or ride in the middle of the road, or speed on a straight. it baffles me why people are in such a vulnerable mode of transportation, then start speeding, overtaking dangerously and driving everywhere but on pavements, not staying between cars and keeping in view of wing mirrors, its their own lives they are risking, how stupid can you be?

this isnt directed at the sensible bikers who understand the logic behind the road safety and utilise it properly. bu if you feel offended by what ive said, and you are a biker, perhaps you need to rethink how you are a danger to yourself and others. otherwise it will be you in hospital, natural selection only happens to the ignorant minded now, i dont want to become a victim
im 25 and want to learn to ride a motorbike, even when i do i dont want to take risks, its dangerous enough just being a pedestrian. i dont think its smart to overtake on a bike, or ride in the middle of the road, or speed on a straight. it baffles me why people are in such a vulnerable mode of transportation, then start speeding, overtaking dangerously and driving everywhere but on pavements, not staying between cars and keeping in view of wing mirrors, its their own lives they are risking, how stupid can you be? this isnt directed at the sensible bikers who understand the logic behind the road safety and utilise it properly. bu if you feel offended by what ive said, and you are a biker, perhaps you need to rethink how you are a danger to yourself and others. otherwise it will be you in hospital, natural selection only happens to the ignorant minded now, i dont want to become a victim Understated
  • Score: 0

9:09pm Wed 2 Apr 14

trolley says...

transitman68 wrote:
motorbikes should be speed limited? In that case, all cars should be speed limited too. For your information I passed my car test 4 years ago, and once I realised how pointless it was trying to commute through castle lane and new road I did my CBT and bought a motorbike. YES I filter and I don't overtake like that biker, that was a ridiculous speed and it was obvious the car was slowing down for a reason, but to be fair to many the reason for having a bike is to get past traffic, as well as lower fuel costs, it can be done safely but many choose to ignore that and annoy other road users. So to other bikers, filter but don't do it too fast! But to car drivers, bikes will overtake you, and the one main reason is BECAUSE you are in a car. There are too many cars on the road because a lot of people don't want to walk their children to school. Ever noticed how much better traffic is when it's school holidays? So if you don't like being overtaken and feel jealous that the biker is having more fun and getting around quicker, it's simple, walk, or better yet, purchase a bike yourself, then you'll wonder why you bothered sitting in jams every morning.
100 per cent agree.
far too many cars on the road taking kids to school responsible biking is the way to go.
[quote][p][bold]transitman68[/bold] wrote: motorbikes should be speed limited? In that case, all cars should be speed limited too. For your information I passed my car test 4 years ago, and once I realised how pointless it was trying to commute through castle lane and new road I did my CBT and bought a motorbike. YES I filter and I don't overtake like that biker, that was a ridiculous speed and it was obvious the car was slowing down for a reason, but to be fair to many the reason for having a bike is to get past traffic, as well as lower fuel costs, it can be done safely but many choose to ignore that and annoy other road users. So to other bikers, filter but don't do it too fast! But to car drivers, bikes will overtake you, and the one main reason is BECAUSE you are in a car. There are too many cars on the road because a lot of people don't want to walk their children to school. Ever noticed how much better traffic is when it's school holidays? So if you don't like being overtaken and feel jealous that the biker is having more fun and getting around quicker, it's simple, walk, or better yet, purchase a bike yourself, then you'll wonder why you bothered sitting in jams every morning.[/p][/quote]100 per cent agree. far too many cars on the road taking kids to school responsible biking is the way to go. trolley
  • Score: 4

10:08pm Wed 2 Apr 14

hooplaa says...

99% of bikers are total idiots on the roads, no consideration for anyone, stupid maneuvers and all round poor driving skills. When the sun comes out it must do strange things to their heads! Everyday you are guaranteed to see 1 biker driving like he/she wants to die. Yes car drivers do the same but a small minority. Bikers need to start thinking 'car' & 'pedestrian' instead of car drivers being battered with 'think bike!'
99% of bikers are total idiots on the roads, no consideration for anyone, stupid maneuvers and all round poor driving skills. When the sun comes out it must do strange things to their heads! Everyday you are guaranteed to see 1 biker driving like he/she wants to die. Yes car drivers do the same but a small minority. Bikers need to start thinking 'car' & 'pedestrian' instead of car drivers being battered with 'think bike!' hooplaa
  • Score: -5

11:35pm Wed 2 Apr 14

boardsandphotos says...

hooplaa wrote:
99% of bikers are total idiots on the roads, no consideration for anyone, stupid maneuvers and all round poor driving skills. When the sun comes out it must do strange things to their heads! Everyday you are guaranteed to see 1 biker driving like he/she wants to die. Yes car drivers do the same but a small minority. Bikers need to start thinking 'car' & 'pedestrian' instead of car drivers being battered with 'think bike!'
99% of them?

Interesting, can you post the link to the study where that statistic came from?
[quote][p][bold]hooplaa[/bold] wrote: 99% of bikers are total idiots on the roads, no consideration for anyone, stupid maneuvers and all round poor driving skills. When the sun comes out it must do strange things to their heads! Everyday you are guaranteed to see 1 biker driving like he/she wants to die. Yes car drivers do the same but a small minority. Bikers need to start thinking 'car' & 'pedestrian' instead of car drivers being battered with 'think bike!'[/p][/quote]99% of them? Interesting, can you post the link to the study where that statistic came from? boardsandphotos
  • Score: 5

1:39am Thu 3 Apr 14

transitman68 says...

I would say no not 99 percent, perhaps 20 percent and half of those are likely teenagers on mopeds who haven't learnt how coming off feels, ie, 40mph up the outside of castle lane towards castle point, on your left is pampurred pets and co op, a 50cc/ 80cc with l plates shot past me at what I estimated was 40mph as I was filtering at about 5mph. Luckily the car being allowed to pull out of the car park didn't do so before he got past. There are other riders of very powerful machines, supersports/ r1's/ gsxr600 etc who do break the speed limit and tail gate on B roads/ motorways, but then again they're are lots of very considerable sports riders who wouldn't do that and respect the other road users. It isn't the majority of bikers the poster is referring to, I think he means the bikers that he NOTICES because of their attitude on the road. There are times when it is perfectly safe to break the speed limit, not in the 30 mph zones but on some B roads if you can see far ahead and are prepared to stop for animals and slow down a lot at junctions, and on motorways, yes doing 90/100 mph in heavy traffic is ridiculous and dangerous if someone wants to change lanes, but if there is no traffic, good visibility and road surface, you can go much faster than 70mph without being a danger to anyone. And my original point still stands, a lot of the traffic at rush hour IS mum's and dads taking their children to school, I get to work a whole ten minutes quicker during half term so what does that tell you?? I walked or cycled to school and nothing terrible ever happened to me, so if you don't like being overtaken by bikes, ditch the car and use your legs
I would say no not 99 percent, perhaps 20 percent and half of those are likely teenagers on mopeds who haven't learnt how coming off feels, ie, 40mph up the outside of castle lane towards castle point, on your left is pampurred pets and co op, a 50cc/ 80cc with l plates shot past me at what I estimated was 40mph as I was filtering at about 5mph. Luckily the car being allowed to pull out of the car park didn't do so before he got past. There are other riders of very powerful machines, supersports/ r1's/ gsxr600 etc who do break the speed limit and tail gate on B roads/ motorways, but then again they're are lots of very considerable sports riders who wouldn't do that and respect the other road users. It isn't the majority of bikers the poster is referring to, I think he means the bikers that he NOTICES because of their attitude on the road. There are times when it is perfectly safe to break the speed limit, not in the 30 mph zones but on some B roads if you can see far ahead and are prepared to stop for animals and slow down a lot at junctions, and on motorways, yes doing 90/100 mph in heavy traffic is ridiculous and dangerous if someone wants to change lanes, but if there is no traffic, good visibility and road surface, you can go much faster than 70mph without being a danger to anyone. And my original point still stands, a lot of the traffic at rush hour IS mum's and dads taking their children to school, I get to work a whole ten minutes quicker during half term so what does that tell you?? I walked or cycled to school and nothing terrible ever happened to me, so if you don't like being overtaken by bikes, ditch the car and use your legs transitman68
  • Score: 3

6:25am Thu 3 Apr 14

hamworthygirl says...

Idiot drivers are just that, regardless of what they drive, there many motor cyclist and car drivers who just dont take care.
Idiot drivers are just that, regardless of what they drive, there many motor cyclist and car drivers who just dont take care. hamworthygirl
  • Score: 1

6:59am Thu 3 Apr 14

Simca says...

I too have been riding bikes for over 34 years( and high performance cars) ,this guy was not filtering he was over taking with out due care, you never never over take near or upon a junction(amongst other places) ,always assume the car is going to pull out because one day it will .You as a biker are always going to lose to a car or immovable object even if you are in the right, lots of dead 'in the right' people. Learn to brake correctly for the conditions ,read the road get some training (passing your test does not count as training).The car pulling out was also at fault and should also be charged with out due care as it obviously failed to observe and arguably could have hit a bike filtering at a more appropriate speed. Police officers are a sanctimonious lot but like it or not are generally just stating the obvious.
I too have been riding bikes for over 34 years( and high performance cars) ,this guy was not filtering he was over taking with out due care, you never never over take near or upon a junction(amongst other places) ,always assume the car is going to pull out because one day it will .You as a biker are always going to lose to a car or immovable object even if you are in the right, lots of dead 'in the right' people. Learn to brake correctly for the conditions ,read the road get some training (passing your test does not count as training).The car pulling out was also at fault and should also be charged with out due care as it obviously failed to observe and arguably could have hit a bike filtering at a more appropriate speed. Police officers are a sanctimonious lot but like it or not are generally just stating the obvious. Simca
  • Score: 3

7:37am Thu 3 Apr 14

hooplaa says...

boardsandphotos wrote:
hooplaa wrote:
99% of bikers are total idiots on the roads, no consideration for anyone, stupid maneuvers and all round poor driving skills. When the sun comes out it must do strange things to their heads! Everyday you are guaranteed to see 1 biker driving like he/she wants to die. Yes car drivers do the same but a small minority. Bikers need to start thinking 'car' & 'pedestrian' instead of car drivers being battered with 'think bike!'
99% of them?

Interesting, can you post the link to the study where that statistic came from?
Ok maybe 98% but its still a daily occurrence on the roads, you can try & deny it or ask for links to surveys to brush it under the carpet, this video says otherwise, and i've seen plenty of bikers on a daily basis driving like idiots
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hooplaa[/bold] wrote: 99% of bikers are total idiots on the roads, no consideration for anyone, stupid maneuvers and all round poor driving skills. When the sun comes out it must do strange things to their heads! Everyday you are guaranteed to see 1 biker driving like he/she wants to die. Yes car drivers do the same but a small minority. Bikers need to start thinking 'car' & 'pedestrian' instead of car drivers being battered with 'think bike!'[/p][/quote]99% of them? Interesting, can you post the link to the study where that statistic came from?[/p][/quote]Ok maybe 98% but its still a daily occurrence on the roads, you can try & deny it or ask for links to surveys to brush it under the carpet, this video says otherwise, and i've seen plenty of bikers on a daily basis driving like idiots hooplaa
  • Score: -8

8:28am Thu 3 Apr 14

rudestickers says...

I think alot of drivers whether bikes or cars should retake their driving test. I've never known so many rude and inconsiderate drivers as are on the roads today. Move over for bikers, I always do, it's not hard is it. Give them room. It's not rocket science. If you want to drive at high speed, go to a track day. Simples.
I think alot of drivers whether bikes or cars should retake their driving test. I've never known so many rude and inconsiderate drivers as are on the roads today. Move over for bikers, I always do, it's not hard is it. Give them room. It's not rocket science. If you want to drive at high speed, go to a track day. Simples. rudestickers
  • Score: 3

8:42am Thu 3 Apr 14

dorsetspeed says...

miltonarcher wrote:
I witnessed a biker on the M3 last night, lane 3, estimated speed, 130mph. Brain dead. Not all bikers are stupid by any means but I would say most of them are guilty of excessive speed, undertaking, weaving in and out of traffic, tailgating. Recently we had that fool campaining against mobile speed cameras because of the tragic death of a biker speeding at over 80 mph in a 50 limit. Get real.
I presume you are talking about me? Just as motorbikes can be used responsibly or irresponsibly, so can almost anything, including speed cameras. Here is a perfect example of totally excessive and inappropriate speed which I'm concerned about just as much as anyone else. I'm asking for the police to concentrate on this kind of driving, rather than sitting on perfectly safe dual carriageways making £millions from normal safe drivers driving at even below average speeds and in at least one case converting a fairly normal and harmless situation into a death, then sweeping the whole thing under the carpet instead of demonstrating any kind of professional process or understanding whatsoever.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: I witnessed a biker on the M3 last night, lane 3, estimated speed, 130mph. Brain dead. Not all bikers are stupid by any means but I would say most of them are guilty of excessive speed, undertaking, weaving in and out of traffic, tailgating. Recently we had that fool campaining against mobile speed cameras because of the tragic death of a biker speeding at over 80 mph in a 50 limit. Get real.[/p][/quote]I presume you are talking about me? Just as motorbikes can be used responsibly or irresponsibly, so can almost anything, including speed cameras. Here is a perfect example of totally excessive and inappropriate speed which I'm concerned about just as much as anyone else. I'm asking for the police to concentrate on this kind of driving, rather than sitting on perfectly safe dual carriageways making £millions from normal safe drivers driving at even below average speeds and in at least one case converting a fairly normal and harmless situation into a death, then sweeping the whole thing under the carpet instead of demonstrating any kind of professional process or understanding whatsoever. dorsetspeed
  • Score: 5

9:14am Thu 3 Apr 14

BarrHumbug says...

suzigirl wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Appears the first poster failed their bike test. However, the rider in question is clearly an idiot. Far too fast, and the more serious issue of overtaking at a junction. This weekend just gone I was back in Sussex, chose not to overtake a couple of cars infront of me, and lo and behold, the bike behind me whistled past my ear and did so, just as one of them let a LandRover out of a side road. He missed it, but only just, vindicating my decision to stick to the Highway Code. The idiot poster spouting uneducated and asinine drivel above is probably the same sort of person that blames everyone else for all their problems and drives at 40mph everywhere, including 30 limits.
Totally agree with you. I only filter when safe to do so and definitely not near a junction! Like any mode of transport, car, motorbike, bicycle there are always a few idiots which gives a bad name to others.

I reckon "tramp about town" drives a Micra, wears glasses and a hat and can't see over the steering wheel! Micra alert! Micra alert!
Whats this, no boasting about how fast your husbands motorbike is? Your letting your standards slip suzigirl :-D
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Appears the first poster failed their bike test. However, the rider in question is clearly an idiot. Far too fast, and the more serious issue of overtaking at a junction. This weekend just gone I was back in Sussex, chose not to overtake a couple of cars infront of me, and lo and behold, the bike behind me whistled past my ear and did so, just as one of them let a LandRover out of a side road. He missed it, but only just, vindicating my decision to stick to the Highway Code. The idiot poster spouting uneducated and asinine drivel above is probably the same sort of person that blames everyone else for all their problems and drives at 40mph everywhere, including 30 limits.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. I only filter when safe to do so and definitely not near a junction! Like any mode of transport, car, motorbike, bicycle there are always a few idiots which gives a bad name to others. I reckon "tramp about town" drives a Micra, wears glasses and a hat and can't see over the steering wheel! Micra alert! Micra alert![/p][/quote]Whats this, no boasting about how fast your husbands motorbike is? Your letting your standards slip suzigirl :-D BarrHumbug
  • Score: -4

9:24am Thu 3 Apr 14

suzigirl says...

Understated wrote:
im 25 and want to learn to ride a motorbike, even when i do i dont want to take risks, its dangerous enough just being a pedestrian. i dont think its smart to overtake on a bike, or ride in the middle of the road, or speed on a straight. it baffles me why people are in such a vulnerable mode of transportation, then start speeding, overtaking dangerously and driving everywhere but on pavements, not staying between cars and keeping in view of wing mirrors, its their own lives they are risking, how stupid can you be? this isnt directed at the sensible bikers who understand the logic behind the road safety and utilise it properly. bu if you feel offended by what ive said, and you are a biker, perhaps you need to rethink how you are a danger to yourself and others. otherwise it will be you in hospital, natural selection only happens to the ignorant minded now, i dont want to become a victim
You have not got a bike licence so you do not know what you are talking about mate!
[quote][p][bold]Understated[/bold] wrote: im 25 and want to learn to ride a motorbike, even when i do i dont want to take risks, its dangerous enough just being a pedestrian. i dont think its smart to overtake on a bike, or ride in the middle of the road, or speed on a straight. it baffles me why people are in such a vulnerable mode of transportation, then start speeding, overtaking dangerously and driving everywhere but on pavements, not staying between cars and keeping in view of wing mirrors, its their own lives they are risking, how stupid can you be? this isnt directed at the sensible bikers who understand the logic behind the road safety and utilise it properly. bu if you feel offended by what ive said, and you are a biker, perhaps you need to rethink how you are a danger to yourself and others. otherwise it will be you in hospital, natural selection only happens to the ignorant minded now, i dont want to become a victim[/p][/quote]You have not got a bike licence so you do not know what you are talking about mate! suzigirl
  • Score: -5

9:27am Thu 3 Apr 14

suzigirl says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
speedy231278 wrote: Appears the first poster failed their bike test. However, the rider in question is clearly an idiot. Far too fast, and the more serious issue of overtaking at a junction. This weekend just gone I was back in Sussex, chose not to overtake a couple of cars infront of me, and lo and behold, the bike behind me whistled past my ear and did so, just as one of them let a LandRover out of a side road. He missed it, but only just, vindicating my decision to stick to the Highway Code. The idiot poster spouting uneducated and asinine drivel above is probably the same sort of person that blames everyone else for all their problems and drives at 40mph everywhere, including 30 limits.
Totally agree with you. I only filter when safe to do so and definitely not near a junction! Like any mode of transport, car, motorbike, bicycle there are always a few idiots which gives a bad name to others. I reckon "tramp about town" drives a Micra, wears glasses and a hat and can't see over the steering wheel! Micra alert! Micra alert!
Whats this, no boasting about how fast your husbands motorbike is? Your letting your standards slip suzigirl :-D
205 to 210 - quarter of a mile in 10.2 seconds actually if you want to know and at least I have standards!
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Appears the first poster failed their bike test. However, the rider in question is clearly an idiot. Far too fast, and the more serious issue of overtaking at a junction. This weekend just gone I was back in Sussex, chose not to overtake a couple of cars infront of me, and lo and behold, the bike behind me whistled past my ear and did so, just as one of them let a LandRover out of a side road. He missed it, but only just, vindicating my decision to stick to the Highway Code. The idiot poster spouting uneducated and asinine drivel above is probably the same sort of person that blames everyone else for all their problems and drives at 40mph everywhere, including 30 limits.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. I only filter when safe to do so and definitely not near a junction! Like any mode of transport, car, motorbike, bicycle there are always a few idiots which gives a bad name to others. I reckon "tramp about town" drives a Micra, wears glasses and a hat and can't see over the steering wheel! Micra alert! Micra alert![/p][/quote]Whats this, no boasting about how fast your husbands motorbike is? Your letting your standards slip suzigirl :-D[/p][/quote]205 to 210 - quarter of a mile in 10.2 seconds actually if you want to know and at least I have standards! suzigirl
  • Score: -7

9:29am Thu 3 Apr 14

suzigirl says...

CroneofDelphi wrote:
If that's filtering, I'm a supermodel. Idiot deserved that, he didn't see the car at the junction, he didn't see the policecar, unmarked probably, he overtook either. Gives the rest of us a bad name!!
You ride a motorbike then?
[quote][p][bold]CroneofDelphi[/bold] wrote: If that's filtering, I'm a supermodel. Idiot deserved that, he didn't see the car at the junction, he didn't see the policecar, unmarked probably, he overtook either. Gives the rest of us a bad name!![/p][/quote]You ride a motorbike then? suzigirl
  • Score: -5

9:36am Thu 3 Apr 14

suzigirl says...

hooplaa wrote:
99% of bikers are total idiots on the roads, no consideration for anyone, stupid maneuvers and all round poor driving skills. When the sun comes out it must do strange things to their heads! Everyday you are guaranteed to see 1 biker driving like he/she wants to die. Yes car drivers do the same but a small minority. Bikers need to start thinking 'car' & 'pedestrian' instead of car drivers being battered with 'think bike!'
Do you not mean "poor riding skills?" What utter tosh! 99% - are you having a laugh! When I am out on the motorbike in our select sports bike group- when we arrive at our destination there is always at least one story regarding some idiot car driver and we don't see many pedestrians on the Puddletown Bypass........
[quote][p][bold]hooplaa[/bold] wrote: 99% of bikers are total idiots on the roads, no consideration for anyone, stupid maneuvers and all round poor driving skills. When the sun comes out it must do strange things to their heads! Everyday you are guaranteed to see 1 biker driving like he/she wants to die. Yes car drivers do the same but a small minority. Bikers need to start thinking 'car' & 'pedestrian' instead of car drivers being battered with 'think bike!'[/p][/quote]Do you not mean "poor riding skills?" What utter tosh! 99% - are you having a laugh! When I am out on the motorbike in our select sports bike group- when we arrive at our destination there is always at least one story regarding some idiot car driver and we don't see many pedestrians on the Puddletown Bypass........ suzigirl
  • Score: -6

9:45am Thu 3 Apr 14

BarrHumbug says...

suzigirl wrote:
Understated wrote:
im 25 and want to learn to ride a motorbike, even when i do i dont want to take risks, its dangerous enough just being a pedestrian. i dont think its smart to overtake on a bike, or ride in the middle of the road, or speed on a straight. it baffles me why people are in such a vulnerable mode of transportation, then start speeding, overtaking dangerously and driving everywhere but on pavements, not staying between cars and keeping in view of wing mirrors, its their own lives they are risking, how stupid can you be? this isnt directed at the sensible bikers who understand the logic behind the road safety and utilise it properly. bu if you feel offended by what ive said, and you are a biker, perhaps you need to rethink how you are a danger to yourself and others. otherwise it will be you in hospital, natural selection only happens to the ignorant minded now, i dont want to become a victim
You have not got a bike licence so you do not know what you are talking about mate!
Give the guy a break, being a motorcycle rider is not some elitist hobby that you have to pass some sort of right of passage to obtain, some do it for economy reasons, some for pleasure and some just because thats what they choose to do and others seem to do it just so they can stand around in leather down the quay? I think he speaks with a lot of sense if some of these lunatics on scooters took a leaf out of his book they might be around long enough to take their full bike or car licence?

As for 205,210,10.2 they're just numbers, don't mean a lot to me.
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Understated[/bold] wrote: im 25 and want to learn to ride a motorbike, even when i do i dont want to take risks, its dangerous enough just being a pedestrian. i dont think its smart to overtake on a bike, or ride in the middle of the road, or speed on a straight. it baffles me why people are in such a vulnerable mode of transportation, then start speeding, overtaking dangerously and driving everywhere but on pavements, not staying between cars and keeping in view of wing mirrors, its their own lives they are risking, how stupid can you be? this isnt directed at the sensible bikers who understand the logic behind the road safety and utilise it properly. bu if you feel offended by what ive said, and you are a biker, perhaps you need to rethink how you are a danger to yourself and others. otherwise it will be you in hospital, natural selection only happens to the ignorant minded now, i dont want to become a victim[/p][/quote]You have not got a bike licence so you do not know what you are talking about mate![/p][/quote]Give the guy a break, being a motorcycle rider is not some elitist hobby that you have to pass some sort of right of passage to obtain, some do it for economy reasons, some for pleasure and some just because thats what they choose to do and others seem to do it just so they can stand around in leather down the quay? I think he speaks with a lot of sense if some of these lunatics on scooters took a leaf out of his book they might be around long enough to take their full bike or car licence? As for 205,210,10.2 they're just numbers, don't mean a lot to me. BarrHumbug
  • Score: 5

9:51am Thu 3 Apr 14

suzigirl says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
Understated wrote: im 25 and want to learn to ride a motorbike, even when i do i dont want to take risks, its dangerous enough just being a pedestrian. i dont think its smart to overtake on a bike, or ride in the middle of the road, or speed on a straight. it baffles me why people are in such a vulnerable mode of transportation, then start speeding, overtaking dangerously and driving everywhere but on pavements, not staying between cars and keeping in view of wing mirrors, its their own lives they are risking, how stupid can you be? this isnt directed at the sensible bikers who understand the logic behind the road safety and utilise it properly. bu if you feel offended by what ive said, and you are a biker, perhaps you need to rethink how you are a danger to yourself and others. otherwise it will be you in hospital, natural selection only happens to the ignorant minded now, i dont want to become a victim
You have not got a bike licence so you do not know what you are talking about mate!
Give the guy a break, being a motorcycle rider is not some elitist hobby that you have to pass some sort of right of passage to obtain, some do it for economy reasons, some for pleasure and some just because thats what they choose to do and others seem to do it just so they can stand around in leather down the quay? I think he speaks with a lot of sense if some of these lunatics on scooters took a leaf out of his book they might be around long enough to take their full bike or car licence? As for 205,210,10.2 they're just numbers, don't mean a lot to me.
We wear leather for protection not some fashion statement! Seeing somebody riding a sports bike with only a T shirt and shorts on and no gloves makes me shudder........... I agree with you about the moped riders!
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Understated[/bold] wrote: im 25 and want to learn to ride a motorbike, even when i do i dont want to take risks, its dangerous enough just being a pedestrian. i dont think its smart to overtake on a bike, or ride in the middle of the road, or speed on a straight. it baffles me why people are in such a vulnerable mode of transportation, then start speeding, overtaking dangerously and driving everywhere but on pavements, not staying between cars and keeping in view of wing mirrors, its their own lives they are risking, how stupid can you be? this isnt directed at the sensible bikers who understand the logic behind the road safety and utilise it properly. bu if you feel offended by what ive said, and you are a biker, perhaps you need to rethink how you are a danger to yourself and others. otherwise it will be you in hospital, natural selection only happens to the ignorant minded now, i dont want to become a victim[/p][/quote]You have not got a bike licence so you do not know what you are talking about mate![/p][/quote]Give the guy a break, being a motorcycle rider is not some elitist hobby that you have to pass some sort of right of passage to obtain, some do it for economy reasons, some for pleasure and some just because thats what they choose to do and others seem to do it just so they can stand around in leather down the quay? I think he speaks with a lot of sense if some of these lunatics on scooters took a leaf out of his book they might be around long enough to take their full bike or car licence? As for 205,210,10.2 they're just numbers, don't mean a lot to me.[/p][/quote]We wear leather for protection not some fashion statement! Seeing somebody riding a sports bike with only a T shirt and shorts on and no gloves makes me shudder........... I agree with you about the moped riders! suzigirl
  • Score: 1

10:40am Thu 3 Apr 14

BarrHumbug says...

suzigirl wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
Understated wrote: im 25 and want to learn to ride a motorbike, even when i do i dont want to take risks, its dangerous enough just being a pedestrian. i dont think its smart to overtake on a bike, or ride in the middle of the road, or speed on a straight. it baffles me why people are in such a vulnerable mode of transportation, then start speeding, overtaking dangerously and driving everywhere but on pavements, not staying between cars and keeping in view of wing mirrors, its their own lives they are risking, how stupid can you be? this isnt directed at the sensible bikers who understand the logic behind the road safety and utilise it properly. bu if you feel offended by what ive said, and you are a biker, perhaps you need to rethink how you are a danger to yourself and others. otherwise it will be you in hospital, natural selection only happens to the ignorant minded now, i dont want to become a victim
You have not got a bike licence so you do not know what you are talking about mate!
Give the guy a break, being a motorcycle rider is not some elitist hobby that you have to pass some sort of right of passage to obtain, some do it for economy reasons, some for pleasure and some just because thats what they choose to do and others seem to do it just so they can stand around in leather down the quay? I think he speaks with a lot of sense if some of these lunatics on scooters took a leaf out of his book they might be around long enough to take their full bike or car licence? As for 205,210,10.2 they're just numbers, don't mean a lot to me.
We wear leather for protection not some fashion statement! Seeing somebody riding a sports bike with only a T shirt and shorts on and no gloves makes me shudder........... I agree with you about the moped riders!
So you do fall into the group that stands around down the quay then? :D
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Understated[/bold] wrote: im 25 and want to learn to ride a motorbike, even when i do i dont want to take risks, its dangerous enough just being a pedestrian. i dont think its smart to overtake on a bike, or ride in the middle of the road, or speed on a straight. it baffles me why people are in such a vulnerable mode of transportation, then start speeding, overtaking dangerously and driving everywhere but on pavements, not staying between cars and keeping in view of wing mirrors, its their own lives they are risking, how stupid can you be? this isnt directed at the sensible bikers who understand the logic behind the road safety and utilise it properly. bu if you feel offended by what ive said, and you are a biker, perhaps you need to rethink how you are a danger to yourself and others. otherwise it will be you in hospital, natural selection only happens to the ignorant minded now, i dont want to become a victim[/p][/quote]You have not got a bike licence so you do not know what you are talking about mate![/p][/quote]Give the guy a break, being a motorcycle rider is not some elitist hobby that you have to pass some sort of right of passage to obtain, some do it for economy reasons, some for pleasure and some just because thats what they choose to do and others seem to do it just so they can stand around in leather down the quay? I think he speaks with a lot of sense if some of these lunatics on scooters took a leaf out of his book they might be around long enough to take their full bike or car licence? As for 205,210,10.2 they're just numbers, don't mean a lot to me.[/p][/quote]We wear leather for protection not some fashion statement! Seeing somebody riding a sports bike with only a T shirt and shorts on and no gloves makes me shudder........... I agree with you about the moped riders![/p][/quote]So you do fall into the group that stands around down the quay then? :D BarrHumbug
  • Score: 3

2:56pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Lurch003 says...

hooplaa wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
hooplaa wrote:
99% of bikers are total idiots on the roads, no consideration for anyone, stupid maneuvers and all round poor driving skills. When the sun comes out it must do strange things to their heads! Everyday you are guaranteed to see 1 biker driving like he/she wants to die. Yes car drivers do the same but a small minority. Bikers need to start thinking 'car' & 'pedestrian' instead of car drivers being battered with 'think bike!'
99% of them?

Interesting, can you post the link to the study where that statistic came from?
Ok maybe 98% but its still a daily occurrence on the roads, you can try & deny it or ask for links to surveys to brush it under the carpet, this video says otherwise, and i've seen plenty of bikers on a daily basis driving like idiots
You sir, are full of half witted prejudices. Bet you think 97.6% of scousers will rob you too cos one looked at you funny once and you believe the hype and jump on the bandwagon.
Yes, SOME people ride like idiots. MOST don't but because you're clearly not a biker, you just tar us all with the same brush.
It's not just cars who have to think bike, EVERY road user and pedestrian should think about EVERY other road user because the cold hard fact is you cannot rely on other peoples common sense. We live in a blameless society and it's always someone else's fault... but obviously never yours Hooplaa...
[quote][p][bold]hooplaa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hooplaa[/bold] wrote: 99% of bikers are total idiots on the roads, no consideration for anyone, stupid maneuvers and all round poor driving skills. When the sun comes out it must do strange things to their heads! Everyday you are guaranteed to see 1 biker driving like he/she wants to die. Yes car drivers do the same but a small minority. Bikers need to start thinking 'car' & 'pedestrian' instead of car drivers being battered with 'think bike!'[/p][/quote]99% of them? Interesting, can you post the link to the study where that statistic came from?[/p][/quote]Ok maybe 98% but its still a daily occurrence on the roads, you can try & deny it or ask for links to surveys to brush it under the carpet, this video says otherwise, and i've seen plenty of bikers on a daily basis driving like idiots[/p][/quote]You sir, are full of half witted prejudices. Bet you think 97.6% of scousers will rob you too cos one looked at you funny once and you believe the hype and jump on the bandwagon. Yes, SOME people ride like idiots. MOST don't but because you're clearly not a biker, you just tar us all with the same brush. It's not just cars who have to think bike, EVERY road user and pedestrian should think about EVERY other road user because the cold hard fact is you cannot rely on other peoples common sense. We live in a blameless society and it's always someone else's fault... but obviously never yours Hooplaa... Lurch003
  • Score: 4

4:47pm Thu 3 Apr 14

suzigirl says...

Lurch003 wrote:
hooplaa wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
hooplaa wrote: 99% of bikers are total idiots on the roads, no consideration for anyone, stupid maneuvers and all round poor driving skills. When the sun comes out it must do strange things to their heads! Everyday you are guaranteed to see 1 biker driving like he/she wants to die. Yes car drivers do the same but a small minority. Bikers need to start thinking 'car' & 'pedestrian' instead of car drivers being battered with 'think bike!'
99% of them? Interesting, can you post the link to the study where that statistic came from?
Ok maybe 98% but its still a daily occurrence on the roads, you can try & deny it or ask for links to surveys to brush it under the carpet, this video says otherwise, and i've seen plenty of bikers on a daily basis driving like idiots
You sir, are full of half witted prejudices. Bet you think 97.6% of scousers will rob you too cos one looked at you funny once and you believe the hype and jump on the bandwagon. Yes, SOME people ride like idiots. MOST don't but because you're clearly not a biker, you just tar us all with the same brush. It's not just cars who have to think bike, EVERY road user and pedestrian should think about EVERY other road user because the cold hard fact is you cannot rely on other peoples common sense. We live in a blameless society and it's always someone else's fault... but obviously never yours Hooplaa...
Well said!
[quote][p][bold]Lurch003[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hooplaa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hooplaa[/bold] wrote: 99% of bikers are total idiots on the roads, no consideration for anyone, stupid maneuvers and all round poor driving skills. When the sun comes out it must do strange things to their heads! Everyday you are guaranteed to see 1 biker driving like he/she wants to die. Yes car drivers do the same but a small minority. Bikers need to start thinking 'car' & 'pedestrian' instead of car drivers being battered with 'think bike!'[/p][/quote]99% of them? Interesting, can you post the link to the study where that statistic came from?[/p][/quote]Ok maybe 98% but its still a daily occurrence on the roads, you can try & deny it or ask for links to surveys to brush it under the carpet, this video says otherwise, and i've seen plenty of bikers on a daily basis driving like idiots[/p][/quote]You sir, are full of half witted prejudices. Bet you think 97.6% of scousers will rob you too cos one looked at you funny once and you believe the hype and jump on the bandwagon. Yes, SOME people ride like idiots. MOST don't but because you're clearly not a biker, you just tar us all with the same brush. It's not just cars who have to think bike, EVERY road user and pedestrian should think about EVERY other road user because the cold hard fact is you cannot rely on other peoples common sense. We live in a blameless society and it's always someone else's fault... but obviously never yours Hooplaa...[/p][/quote]Well said! suzigirl
  • Score: 1

7:03pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Turtlebay says...

Most motor cyclists are a danger to themselves. Which part of S L O W D O W N don't you understand?
Most motor cyclists are a danger to themselves. Which part of S L O W D O W N don't you understand? Turtlebay
  • Score: 0

8:17pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Dont drop litter says...

hooplaa wrote:
99% of bikers are total idiots on the roads, no consideration for anyone, stupid maneuvers and all round poor driving skills. When the sun comes out it must do strange things to their heads! Everyday you are guaranteed to see 1 biker driving like he/she wants to die. Yes car drivers do the same but a small minority. Bikers need to start thinking 'car' & 'pedestrian' instead of car drivers being battered with 'think bike!'
99% of all statistics are made up - including that one.
I've been driving a long time with no incidents and also have a bike licence and I will say one thing, the bike licence is far harder to pass and teaches you far more about road craft and being observant than most people on here seem to realise.
I would say that the average driver sitting in a traffic queue has no idea what approaching form behind as most don't use their mirrors or check their blind spots. I've no doubt that this biker was being a fool - but how many car drivers can say that they check over their left shoulder for cyclists at junctions, or check their blindspots when accelerating on slip roads? not many as far as I can tell. I'll also guarantee that whilst this clown was passing the queue of traffic there was at least one person in a car texting or on the phone - you think we can't see you but bikers see a lot.
Lets have a little less of the sweeping statements please.
[quote][p][bold]hooplaa[/bold] wrote: 99% of bikers are total idiots on the roads, no consideration for anyone, stupid maneuvers and all round poor driving skills. When the sun comes out it must do strange things to their heads! Everyday you are guaranteed to see 1 biker driving like he/she wants to die. Yes car drivers do the same but a small minority. Bikers need to start thinking 'car' & 'pedestrian' instead of car drivers being battered with 'think bike!'[/p][/quote]99% of all statistics are made up - including that one. I've been driving a long time with no incidents and also have a bike licence and I will say one thing, the bike licence is far harder to pass and teaches you far more about road craft and being observant than most people on here seem to realise. I would say that the average driver sitting in a traffic queue has no idea what approaching form behind as most don't use their mirrors or check their blind spots. I've no doubt that this biker was being a fool - but how many car drivers can say that they check over their left shoulder for cyclists at junctions, or check their blindspots when accelerating on slip roads? not many as far as I can tell. I'll also guarantee that whilst this clown was passing the queue of traffic there was at least one person in a car texting or on the phone - you think we can't see you but bikers see a lot. Lets have a little less of the sweeping statements please. Dont drop litter
  • Score: 1

8:18pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Dont drop litter says...

99% of all statistics are made up - including that one.
I've been driving a long time with no incidents and also have a bike licence and I will say one thing, the bike licence is far harder to pass and teaches you far more about road craft and being observant than most people on here seem to realise.
I would say that the average driver sitting in a traffic queue has no idea what approaching form behind as most don't use their mirrors or check their blind spots. I've no doubt that this biker was being a fool - but how many car drivers can say that they check over their left shoulder for cyclists at junctions, or check their blindspots when accelerating on slip roads? not many as far as I can tell. I'll also guarantee that whilst this clown was passing the queue of traffic there was at least one person in a car texting or on the phone - you think we can't see you but bikers see a lot.
Lets have a little less of the sweeping statements please.
99% of all statistics are made up - including that one. I've been driving a long time with no incidents and also have a bike licence and I will say one thing, the bike licence is far harder to pass and teaches you far more about road craft and being observant than most people on here seem to realise. I would say that the average driver sitting in a traffic queue has no idea what approaching form behind as most don't use their mirrors or check their blind spots. I've no doubt that this biker was being a fool - but how many car drivers can say that they check over their left shoulder for cyclists at junctions, or check their blindspots when accelerating on slip roads? not many as far as I can tell. I'll also guarantee that whilst this clown was passing the queue of traffic there was at least one person in a car texting or on the phone - you think we can't see you but bikers see a lot. Lets have a little less of the sweeping statements please. Dont drop litter
  • Score: 1

8:25pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Dont drop litter says...

suzigirl wrote:
Understated wrote:
im 25 and want to learn to ride a motorbike, even when i do i dont want to take risks, its dangerous enough just being a pedestrian. i dont think its smart to overtake on a bike, or ride in the middle of the road, or speed on a straight. it baffles me why people are in such a vulnerable mode of transportation, then start speeding, overtaking dangerously and driving everywhere but on pavements, not staying between cars and keeping in view of wing mirrors, its their own lives they are risking, how stupid can you be? this isnt directed at the sensible bikers who understand the logic behind the road safety and utilise it properly. bu if you feel offended by what ive said, and you are a biker, perhaps you need to rethink how you are a danger to yourself and others. otherwise it will be you in hospital, natural selection only happens to the ignorant minded now, i dont want to become a victim
You have not got a bike licence so you do not know what you are talking about mate!
Well maybe when he does star learning to ride he'll learn that bikes are able to occupy the entire lane for a reason and for safety reasons need to move to the left and right of the lane to maintain a clear view on bends etc. He'll also realise that when overtaking, a distance that looks unsafe for a car is nothing for a bike. He may even learn not to rely on what he sees in his mirrors and actually learn to turn his head when driving.
Good luck with your bike licence though - it's a lot harder to pass than your car licence.
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Understated[/bold] wrote: im 25 and want to learn to ride a motorbike, even when i do i dont want to take risks, its dangerous enough just being a pedestrian. i dont think its smart to overtake on a bike, or ride in the middle of the road, or speed on a straight. it baffles me why people are in such a vulnerable mode of transportation, then start speeding, overtaking dangerously and driving everywhere but on pavements, not staying between cars and keeping in view of wing mirrors, its their own lives they are risking, how stupid can you be? this isnt directed at the sensible bikers who understand the logic behind the road safety and utilise it properly. bu if you feel offended by what ive said, and you are a biker, perhaps you need to rethink how you are a danger to yourself and others. otherwise it will be you in hospital, natural selection only happens to the ignorant minded now, i dont want to become a victim[/p][/quote]You have not got a bike licence so you do not know what you are talking about mate![/p][/quote]Well maybe when he does star learning to ride he'll learn that bikes are able to occupy the entire lane for a reason and for safety reasons need to move to the left and right of the lane to maintain a clear view on bends etc. He'll also realise that when overtaking, a distance that looks unsafe for a car is nothing for a bike. He may even learn not to rely on what he sees in his mirrors and actually learn to turn his head when driving. Good luck with your bike licence though - it's a lot harder to pass than your car licence. Dont drop litter
  • Score: 1

12:48am Fri 4 Apr 14

DaveAngel69 says...

On this occasion it's clearly the biker's fault. He was going way too fast whilst overtaking.

I drive a car and ride a motorcycle regularly. People should look out for each other and stop turning in to a war between bikes and cars.

Most days riding my bike a car will pull out in front of me having not seen me, but I don't start beeping and shouting and waving my arms I just carry on as normal. When I'm driving my car I keep an extra eye out for bikers that are overtaking or filtering and let them past and if one wants to cut in front of me so be it. He'll be gone before I even know it. It's not like I've lost any time.

We all have to live on the same planet guys!
On this occasion it's clearly the biker's fault. He was going way too fast whilst overtaking. I drive a car and ride a motorcycle regularly. People should look out for each other and stop turning in to a war between bikes and cars. Most days riding my bike a car will pull out in front of me having not seen me, but I don't start beeping and shouting and waving my arms I just carry on as normal. When I'm driving my car I keep an extra eye out for bikers that are overtaking or filtering and let them past and if one wants to cut in front of me so be it. He'll be gone before I even know it. It's not like I've lost any time. We all have to live on the same planet guys! DaveAngel69
  • Score: 4

11:35am Fri 4 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

tramp_about_town wrote:
Those 2 wheel machines are a flaming menace and should be banned from "filtering". Insp Butler should not be implying that the rider in the video was "filtering" when it is pretty obvious that he was driving without due care and attention and dangerous driving. Motorcyclists are an arrogant lot that think they own the road and that everyone should "Think bike" when in reality it's about time they "think car". As such a vunerable road user perhaps they should drive at safer speeds, not weave in and out of traffic under the pretence of "filtering", stop pulling wheelies at traffic lights along Holes Bay Road during leatherclad biker nights, ride along hands free and have some more courtesy for other road users. Bikers seem to have this idea that cars should get out of their way or pull to the side when wanting to overtake at ridiculous speeds and when it all goes wrong who do they blame, the car driver of course. Motorbikes should be speed limited. Motorcycle licenses should be be able to be applied for once the car test has been done so bikers have an insight in to what life is actually like in a car. For those that are now going to comment and bang on about how unsafe it is to be on a bike I suggest you slow down a bit as clearly you are doing something to put yourself in that unsafe position.
I'm quite sure most motorcyclists do not think they 'own the road.' What they know they do own is a vehicle that has better acceleration than most cars, can outmanouvre most cars if ridden well, and can fit through gaps that no car can.

As a result what they can, and do, do is use the road in ways that car drivers can't. This can take many drivers by surprise and result in conflict. There's no harm in filtering through. There is potential harm in going too fast for the road conditions (as the rider in the video did).

Unfortunately, some motorcyclists take risks and make mistakes that end in tragedy because they are extremely vulnerable. Everybody makes mistakes, but a mistake in a car that messes up the tracking could be a slide, in your leathers (if you're wearing them), into street furniture or under another vehicle.

So, yes. Motorists are supposed to 'Think Bike'. What needs to be impressed on some bikers (especially the younger ones that still think they're invincible is 'Think Safety'.

As for popping wheelies - juvenile and pointless.
[quote][p][bold]tramp_about_town[/bold] wrote: Those 2 wheel machines are a flaming menace and should be banned from "filtering". Insp Butler should not be implying that the rider in the video was "filtering" when it is pretty obvious that he was driving without due care and attention and dangerous driving. Motorcyclists are an arrogant lot that think they own the road and that everyone should "Think bike" when in reality it's about time they "think car". As such a vunerable road user perhaps they should drive at safer speeds, not weave in and out of traffic under the pretence of "filtering", stop pulling wheelies at traffic lights along Holes Bay Road during leatherclad biker nights, ride along hands free and have some more courtesy for other road users. Bikers seem to have this idea that cars should get out of their way or pull to the side when wanting to overtake at ridiculous speeds and when it all goes wrong who do they blame, the car driver of course. Motorbikes should be speed limited. Motorcycle licenses should be be able to be applied for once the car test has been done so bikers have an insight in to what life is actually like in a car. For those that are now going to comment and bang on about how unsafe it is to be on a bike I suggest you slow down a bit as clearly you are doing something to put yourself in that unsafe position.[/p][/quote]I'm quite sure most motorcyclists do not think they 'own the road.' What they know they do own is a vehicle that has better acceleration than most cars, can outmanouvre most cars if ridden well, and can fit through gaps that no car can. As a result what they can, and do, do is use the road in ways that car drivers can't. This can take many drivers by surprise and result in conflict. There's no harm in filtering through. There is potential harm in going too fast for the road conditions (as the rider in the video did). Unfortunately, some motorcyclists take risks and make mistakes that end in tragedy because they are extremely vulnerable. Everybody makes mistakes, but a mistake in a car that messes up the tracking could be a slide, in your leathers (if you're wearing them), into street furniture or under another vehicle. So, yes. Motorists are supposed to 'Think Bike'. What needs to be impressed on some bikers (especially the younger ones that still think they're invincible is 'Think Safety'. As for popping wheelies - juvenile and pointless. JackJohnson
  • Score: 1

12:01pm Fri 4 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

Added to my previous comment:

Motorcyclists are the more (if not most) vulnerable road users. Everyone who wants to drive a car, lorry or bus (and is capable of riding a motorcycle) should have to experience motorcycling first so they will appreciate why sensible motorcyclists do what they do, and how they can use the road in ways that differ from other types of road user.
Added to my previous comment: Motorcyclists are the more (if not most) vulnerable road users. Everyone who wants to drive a car, lorry or bus (and is capable of riding a motorcycle) should have to experience motorcycling first so they will appreciate why sensible motorcyclists do what they do, and how they can use the road in ways that differ from other types of road user. JackJohnson
  • Score: 1

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