‘The journey goes on’ – councillors to consider options to deal with summer traveller incursions

Bournemouth Echo: Cllr Mike White, deputy leader of Borough of Poole Cllr Mike White, deputy leader of Borough of Poole

WITH a temporary traveller site in Poole now dead in the water, the town is making plans to deal with this summer’s expected incursions.

“It is quite clear we are not going to find anything for the summer,” said Cllr Mike White, deputy leader of Borough of Poole.

“Now we need to take stock and look at other things we can do.

“The message is ‘the journey goes on’.”

On April 10 an update will go before the environment and scrutiny committee, to which all councillors have been invited, to make recommendations to cabinet.

The report gives updates on the six-point plan agreed by cabinet in November.

This includes continuing to search for a temporary transit site, lobbying government to allow joint sites with neighbouring authorities and co-operating with Bournemouth and Dorset.

However the possibility of pre-emptive injunctions on specific sites is not being recommended by officers as among other difficulties, it would give police no additional powers.

“If we did get an injunction we would have to go back to the High Court to apply it.

“That would be slower than the current powers we have available to us,” said Shaun Robson, head of environmental and consumer protection services.

“The conclusion is that at a cost of £5,000-£8,000 per injunction this is unlikely to move us very far forward,” he said.

Councillors will consider the option of providing toilets and skips on unauthorised encampments and has earmarked £30,000 in the budget for this purpose, and will look at providing better information about camps on its website.

Other ideas include protecting vulnerable sites with mounds or embankments or hedges, using some of the money set aside for the abandoned TSPs.

The council is also speaking to the Gipsy Council and has a code of conduct with which it expects travellers to comply.

Cllr White said the £400,000 from the sale of the Marshes End site was unlikely to be used to buy a site.

“We have been looking for a site for the last three to five years. That hasn’t produced anything,” he said.

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7:20am Wed 2 Apr 14

JustForPoole says...

The circus of Poole Council continues .... let the show go on !!!!!
The circus of Poole Council continues .... let the show go on !!!!! JustForPoole
  • Score: 7

7:25am Wed 2 Apr 14

BIGTONE says...

Can the Echo find out and tell the readers how Poole/Bournemouth compare to other towns. In particular,do they have the same problem. Do they provide facilities and are they as fervent as our Councils to provide transit facilities?
Can the Echo find out and tell the readers how Poole/Bournemouth compare to other towns. In particular,do they have the same problem. Do they provide facilities and are they as fervent as our Councils to provide transit facilities? BIGTONE
  • Score: 22

8:01am Wed 2 Apr 14

Chief-Wiggum says...

BIGTONE wrote:
Can the Echo find out and tell the readers how Poole/Bournemouth compare to other towns. In particular,do they have the same problem. Do they provide facilities and are they as fervent as our Councils to provide transit facilities?
Cant you find that out? It wouldnt be hard. Compared to other town's this area is let off lightly
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Can the Echo find out and tell the readers how Poole/Bournemouth compare to other towns. In particular,do they have the same problem. Do they provide facilities and are they as fervent as our Councils to provide transit facilities?[/p][/quote]Cant you find that out? It wouldnt be hard. Compared to other town's this area is let off lightly Chief-Wiggum
  • Score: 0

8:21am Wed 2 Apr 14

richardcompton3 says...

Instead of providing 'toilets and skips' I suggest tow trucks to take unlicensed vans and caravans to the nearest scrapyard to have them crushed.
Instead of providing 'toilets and skips' I suggest tow trucks to take unlicensed vans and caravans to the nearest scrapyard to have them crushed. richardcompton3
  • Score: 37

8:26am Wed 2 Apr 14

Isosceles says...

I fail to understand why these people can get away with removing or damaging bollards and fences, etc. to access land when any of us would find ourselves 'down the nick' and our vehicles seized.
I fail to understand why these people can get away with removing or damaging bollards and fences, etc. to access land when any of us would find ourselves 'down the nick' and our vehicles seized. Isosceles
  • Score: 37

8:39am Wed 2 Apr 14

Hessenford says...

If any of us drive without a licence or insurance their vehicle is seized within minutes yet these people can rip down fences and invade other peoples land and property without any enforcement at all, until of course a court rules they can be moved.
Its about time all this money was saved and the authorities were allowed to get on there with bulldozers and tow trucks and move the whole lot to the scrapyard, caravans and all, more often that not the road vehicles either have no tax, insurance or mot, or all three yet they are allowed to get away with this as well.
They may have certain rights but so do we all, all of us have to respect other peoples property and pay our taxes of face prosecution, why are they treated differently.
If any of us drive without a licence or insurance their vehicle is seized within minutes yet these people can rip down fences and invade other peoples land and property without any enforcement at all, until of course a court rules they can be moved. Its about time all this money was saved and the authorities were allowed to get on there with bulldozers and tow trucks and move the whole lot to the scrapyard, caravans and all, more often that not the road vehicles either have no tax, insurance or mot, or all three yet they are allowed to get away with this as well. They may have certain rights but so do we all, all of us have to respect other peoples property and pay our taxes of face prosecution, why are they treated differently. Hessenford
  • Score: 32

8:40am Wed 2 Apr 14

RM says...

The police line is 'if you can't identify which one of them did it we can't do anything -we can't arrest the whole group' - unless of course it's a group of non-travellers.
The police line is 'if you can't identify which one of them did it we can't do anything -we can't arrest the whole group' - unless of course it's a group of non-travellers. RM
  • Score: 23

8:55am Wed 2 Apr 14

Townee says...

How about the caravan club tell all it's members to come to Bournemouth and Poole and tell them to gather at certain car park on mass. Don't pay and see if they get moved on, one law for travellers and one rule for law abiding, tax paying, normal people not people who don't pay, won't pay and don't give s**t for our laws.
How about the caravan club tell all it's members to come to Bournemouth and Poole and tell them to gather at certain car park on mass. Don't pay and see if they get moved on, one law for travellers and one rule for law abiding, tax paying, normal people not people who don't pay, won't pay and don't give s**t for our laws. Townee
  • Score: 35

8:58am Wed 2 Apr 14

N Smith says...

RM wrote:
The police line is 'if you can't identify which one of them did it we can't do anything -we can't arrest the whole group' - unless of course it's a group of non-travellers.
But we all know the truth , they are just scared to death to deal with these thugs.
[quote][p][bold]RM[/bold] wrote: The police line is 'if you can't identify which one of them did it we can't do anything -we can't arrest the whole group' - unless of course it's a group of non-travellers.[/p][/quote]But we all know the truth , they are just scared to death to deal with these thugs. N Smith
  • Score: 23

9:10am Wed 2 Apr 14

cunone says...

Last August The Secretary of State issued new guidelines to overcome the problems of the past few years in moving Travellers on. There are plenty of laws in place and tools to enable pre-emptive court action. You just need a Council and Police force with the courage to apply the law. If we come down hard on these people they would see we are not for being bullied and go elsewhere
If as Cllr Stribley suggested these are people on holiday perhaps we could give them the Echo deal for cheap tickets to France on the ferry. The French would know how to deal with them
Last August The Secretary of State issued new guidelines to overcome the problems of the past few years in moving Travellers on. There are plenty of laws in place and tools to enable pre-emptive court action. You just need a Council and Police force with the courage to apply the law. If we come down hard on these people they would see we are not for being bullied and go elsewhere If as Cllr Stribley suggested these are people on holiday perhaps we could give them the Echo deal for cheap tickets to France on the ferry. The French would know how to deal with them cunone
  • Score: 14

9:20am Wed 2 Apr 14

Lucky Rich says...

That bit that's just been cleared at sandbanks with the beach access might work,,,,,,they could go straight there & save the rest of Dorset a lot of hassle.......:-)
That bit that's just been cleared at sandbanks with the beach access might work,,,,,,they could go straight there & save the rest of Dorset a lot of hassle.......:-) Lucky Rich
  • Score: 11

9:36am Wed 2 Apr 14

nickynoodah says...

Next time anyone tells you that immigrants are destroying our country say fair do's but no worse than Mickey White and his other dribbling's hanging on,
they be a disgrace to our town costing you and me millions you know.
Next time anyone tells you that immigrants are destroying our country say fair do's but no worse than Mickey White and his other dribbling's hanging on, they be a disgrace to our town costing you and me millions you know. nickynoodah
  • Score: -1

9:55am Wed 2 Apr 14

justsayithowitis says...

Poole council should be lobbying the government to remove their ethnic status not saying we want to share a site with Bournemouth who have already said they haven't got anywhere for a site to go so want to share with Poole so they can send them all here. No thank you Bournemouth
Poole council should be lobbying the government to remove their ethnic status not saying we want to share a site with Bournemouth who have already said they haven't got anywhere for a site to go so want to share with Poole so they can send them all here. No thank you Bournemouth justsayithowitis
  • Score: 16

10:06am Wed 2 Apr 14

High Treason says...

All part of Tony Blairs EU human rights act. Meanwhile he lives a life of luxury and idiots still vote for Lib Lab. After the EU elections we will get promises galore because UKIP does well.
All part of Tony Blairs EU human rights act. Meanwhile he lives a life of luxury and idiots still vote for Lib Lab. After the EU elections we will get promises galore because UKIP does well. High Treason
  • Score: 8

10:19am Wed 2 Apr 14

jill M says...

Correct me if I m wrong, but do they not all come here to go to the Steam Rally at Blandford? And if that is the case, shouldn't the responsibility of finding a summer camp for these people lie with the organisers ? They must make a hefty profit every year, put some aside to provide somewhere with facilities on their large site- or is it too far from the beaches for our travellers?
Correct me if I m wrong, but do they not all come here to go to the Steam Rally at Blandford? And if that is the case, shouldn't the responsibility of finding a summer camp for these people lie with the organisers ? They must make a hefty profit every year, put some aside to provide somewhere with facilities on their large site- or is it too far from the beaches for our travellers? jill M
  • Score: 4

10:20am Wed 2 Apr 14

Morrigan says...

So the council are more than happy to provide the travellers with toilets (even though they all have them in their caravans) - yet they are closing public toilets on a regular basis for those of us who live and work in the borough ..... Talk about lefty pandering to the minorities :o//
So the council are more than happy to provide the travellers with toilets (even though they all have them in their caravans) - yet they are closing public toilets on a regular basis for those of us who live and work in the borough ..... Talk about lefty pandering to the minorities :o// Morrigan
  • Score: 25

10:24am Wed 2 Apr 14

Morrigan says...

justsayithowitis wrote:
Poole council should be lobbying the government to remove their ethnic status not saying we want to share a site with Bournemouth who have already said they haven't got anywhere for a site to go so want to share with Poole so they can send them all here. No thank you Bournemouth
Our local councillors and MP haven't the time for lobbying the government about travellers - they are far too busy making themselves look important and the only lobbying our MP does as far as I can see is to bring back fox hunting and culling of badgers ..... Can anyone tell me exactly what he *has* done for Poole recently? :o?
[quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: Poole council should be lobbying the government to remove their ethnic status not saying we want to share a site with Bournemouth who have already said they haven't got anywhere for a site to go so want to share with Poole so they can send them all here. No thank you Bournemouth[/p][/quote]Our local councillors and MP haven't the time for lobbying the government about travellers - they are far too busy making themselves look important and the only lobbying our MP does as far as I can see is to bring back fox hunting and culling of badgers ..... Can anyone tell me exactly what he *has* done for Poole recently? :o? Morrigan
  • Score: 10

11:21am Wed 2 Apr 14

Tony Trent says...

Of course those who wish to LISTEN to the evidence and information that guides decision making are welcome to sit in on the meeting. If they have the legal idea that they are accusing Councillors of ignoring then speak to their local Councillors and get them to raise it. The chances are the idea has been raised and rejected, but it will be helpful to know why. If people want the rules changed that govern what can be done, then try to influence MPs & Government. Best route to do that is via the Daily Mail - the most powerful and unnaccountable lobbying tool in the UK. The Sun, Express & Telegraph are the junior pretenders to that role. What is pointless is the anonymous ill informed vitriol that I keep reading on forums like this.
Of course those who wish to LISTEN to the evidence and information that guides decision making are welcome to sit in on the meeting. If they have the legal idea that they are accusing Councillors of ignoring then speak to their local Councillors and get them to raise it. The chances are the idea has been raised and rejected, but it will be helpful to know why. If people want the rules changed that govern what can be done, then try to influence MPs & Government. Best route to do that is via the Daily Mail - the most powerful and unnaccountable lobbying tool in the UK. The Sun, Express & Telegraph are the junior pretenders to that role. What is pointless is the anonymous ill informed vitriol that I keep reading on forums like this. Tony Trent
  • Score: -14

11:29am Wed 2 Apr 14

DorsetFerret says...

Councillor White states. “We have been looking for a site for the last three to five years. That hasn’t produced anything,” Well that say quite a lot about the councils methods of operation. We could do with a bit more 'Can do, will do' in the culture and less 'Can 'do, wont do'. Roll long election time!
Councillor White states. “We have been looking for a site for the last three to five years. That hasn’t produced anything,” Well that say quite a lot about the councils methods of operation. We could do with a bit more 'Can do, will do' in the culture and less 'Can 'do, wont do'. Roll long election time! DorsetFerret
  • Score: 13

11:37am Wed 2 Apr 14

The Happy Chatterer says...

richardcompton3 wrote:
Instead of providing 'toilets and skips' I suggest tow trucks to take unlicensed vans and caravans to the nearest scrapyard to have them crushed.
I cannot believe how short sighted everyone has been over this entire affair, this was never about giving these people a free place to stay, but was purely firmly centred at giving the authorities a mechanism to swiftly move these people on. There were never going to be toilets and showers, only a chemical toilet disposal point and all vehicles entering or leaving would have been monitored, which believe me is not what traveller want, even the head of the Gypsy Council was against this site because he knew that it would mean that the travellers could be moved on immediately !!

With this site in place they wouldn't have considered the BOP for there summer hols because of those new powers, (ps Bournemouth would have continued to have no site or powers), and the site would have remained unused ( as may others have around the country)

..prepare yourselves for another summer of mess and moaning, and place the blame firmly on the NIMBY generation
[quote][p][bold]richardcompton3[/bold] wrote: Instead of providing 'toilets and skips' I suggest tow trucks to take unlicensed vans and caravans to the nearest scrapyard to have them crushed.[/p][/quote]I cannot believe how short sighted everyone has been over this entire affair, this was never about giving these people a free place to stay, but was purely firmly centred at giving the authorities a mechanism to swiftly move these people on. There were never going to be toilets and showers, only a chemical toilet disposal point and all vehicles entering or leaving would have been monitored, which believe me is not what traveller want, even the head of the Gypsy Council was against this site because he knew that it would mean that the travellers could be moved on immediately !! With this site in place they wouldn't have considered the BOP for there summer hols because of those new powers, (ps Bournemouth would have continued to have no site or powers), and the site would have remained unused ( as may others have around the country) ..prepare yourselves for another summer of mess and moaning, and place the blame firmly on the NIMBY generation The Happy Chatterer
  • Score: 3

11:44am Wed 2 Apr 14

TheDistrict says...

Why are'nt the Councils and the Police using the Criminal Justice Act Section 61, the right to remove people of their land, not wait for a court injunction. Now the Councils are blaming us because of their failure on Marsh End, that it will now take longer for court action to take place. What a load of crud. (I was unaware that the Civic Centre and the Town Hall were cow sheds). What a load of s***e that comes from within their walls.

Secondly, dont let the travellers use the Section 8 ruling. Which ever playing feild they use, it is not theirs, so they do not have the right to use Section 8 in defence of their home. It is not their home.

Finally, both councils need to look north. There is lots of un used land out there at Matchams, Hurn, and beyond that can be made into a Travellers temporary site. Also as most come here to wait for the Steam Fair at Blandford, the farmer/owner of those fields where the travellers end up, should open up this field in readiness, so they can go straight there.

I wonder if you were to enmass a visit of caravan owners to Whitecliff, and call ourselves travellers, we could have a free week holiday, but without causing a mess, or disruption for the local community.
Why are'nt the Councils and the Police using the Criminal Justice Act Section 61, the right to remove people of their land, not wait for a court injunction. Now the Councils are blaming us because of their failure on Marsh End, that it will now take longer for court action to take place. What a load of crud. (I was unaware that the Civic Centre and the Town Hall were cow sheds). What a load of s***e that comes from within their walls. Secondly, dont let the travellers use the Section 8 ruling. Which ever playing feild they use, it is not theirs, so they do not have the right to use Section 8 in defence of their home. It is not their home. Finally, both councils need to look north. There is lots of un used land out there at Matchams, Hurn, and beyond that can be made into a Travellers temporary site. Also as most come here to wait for the Steam Fair at Blandford, the farmer/owner of those fields where the travellers end up, should open up this field in readiness, so they can go straight there. I wonder if you were to enmass a visit of caravan owners to Whitecliff, and call ourselves travellers, we could have a free week holiday, but without causing a mess, or disruption for the local community. TheDistrict
  • Score: 11

11:57am Wed 2 Apr 14

DorsetFerret says...

Tony Trent wrote:
Of course those who wish to LISTEN to the evidence and information that guides decision making are welcome to sit in on the meeting. If they have the legal idea that they are accusing Councillors of ignoring then speak to their local Councillors and get them to raise it. The chances are the idea has been raised and rejected, but it will be helpful to know why. If people want the rules changed that govern what can be done, then try to influence MPs & Government. Best route to do that is via the Daily Mail - the most powerful and unnaccountable lobbying tool in the UK. The Sun, Express & Telegraph are the junior pretenders to that role. What is pointless is the anonymous ill informed vitriol that I keep reading on forums like this.
Just like you listened to the evidence recently and then complained of 'Mob Rule' when you didn't like the findings. Advocating the use of the Daily Mail, well that's to be expected!
[quote][p][bold]Tony Trent[/bold] wrote: Of course those who wish to LISTEN to the evidence and information that guides decision making are welcome to sit in on the meeting. If they have the legal idea that they are accusing Councillors of ignoring then speak to their local Councillors and get them to raise it. The chances are the idea has been raised and rejected, but it will be helpful to know why. If people want the rules changed that govern what can be done, then try to influence MPs & Government. Best route to do that is via the Daily Mail - the most powerful and unnaccountable lobbying tool in the UK. The Sun, Express & Telegraph are the junior pretenders to that role. What is pointless is the anonymous ill informed vitriol that I keep reading on forums like this.[/p][/quote]Just like you listened to the evidence recently and then complained of 'Mob Rule' when you didn't like the findings. Advocating the use of the Daily Mail, well that's to be expected! DorsetFerret
  • Score: 16

12:08pm Wed 2 Apr 14

calamity carney says...

DorsetFerret wrote:
Tony Trent wrote:
Of course those who wish to LISTEN to the evidence and information that guides decision making are welcome to sit in on the meeting. If they have the legal idea that they are accusing Councillors of ignoring then speak to their local Councillors and get them to raise it. The chances are the idea has been raised and rejected, but it will be helpful to know why. If people want the rules changed that govern what can be done, then try to influence MPs & Government. Best route to do that is via the Daily Mail - the most powerful and unnaccountable lobbying tool in the UK. The Sun, Express & Telegraph are the junior pretenders to that role. What is pointless is the anonymous ill informed vitriol that I keep reading on forums like this.
Just like you listened to the evidence recently and then complained of 'Mob Rule' when you didn't like the findings. Advocating the use of the Daily Mail, well that's to be expected!
This is a daily mail right wing county.
[quote][p][bold]DorsetFerret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony Trent[/bold] wrote: Of course those who wish to LISTEN to the evidence and information that guides decision making are welcome to sit in on the meeting. If they have the legal idea that they are accusing Councillors of ignoring then speak to their local Councillors and get them to raise it. The chances are the idea has been raised and rejected, but it will be helpful to know why. If people want the rules changed that govern what can be done, then try to influence MPs & Government. Best route to do that is via the Daily Mail - the most powerful and unnaccountable lobbying tool in the UK. The Sun, Express & Telegraph are the junior pretenders to that role. What is pointless is the anonymous ill informed vitriol that I keep reading on forums like this.[/p][/quote]Just like you listened to the evidence recently and then complained of 'Mob Rule' when you didn't like the findings. Advocating the use of the Daily Mail, well that's to be expected![/p][/quote]This is a daily mail right wing county. calamity carney
  • Score: 2

12:13pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Of the 90 sites reviewed some were taken off the list of possibilities due to flood risk, yet at the meeting at the lighthouse it was clearly stated that the safety drive site which was also a flood risk could have the land raised to overcome this problem, sure that applies to all the other sites as well then.

The main thing is, now that they have agreed to sell the land to Forelle's they have the funding to buy land elsewhere which has to give the council a far greater option list than before, until the law can be changed to remove the ethnicity of travelers, which by the way they don't have in their country of origin, the council will have to continue to look for a suitable transit site just to give the police the powers they need to enable them to remove them from unauthorised encampments.
Of the 90 sites reviewed some were taken off the list of possibilities due to flood risk, yet at the meeting at the lighthouse it was clearly stated that the safety drive site which was also a flood risk could have the land raised to overcome this problem, sure that applies to all the other sites as well then. The main thing is, now that they have agreed to sell the land to Forelle's they have the funding to buy land elsewhere which has to give the council a far greater option list than before, until the law can be changed to remove the ethnicity of travelers, which by the way they don't have in their country of origin, the council will have to continue to look for a suitable transit site just to give the police the powers they need to enable them to remove them from unauthorised encampments. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 7

12:41pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

"The council is also speaking to the Gipsy Council and has a code of conduct with which it expects travellers to comply." Ha-ha!! That is the funniest thing I've read in years!!!!!!!
"The council is also speaking to the Gipsy Council and has a code of conduct with which it expects travellers to comply." Ha-ha!! That is the funniest thing I've read in years!!!!!!! Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 12

12:52pm Wed 2 Apr 14

muscliffman says...

justsayithowitis wrote:
Poole council should be lobbying the government to remove their ethnic status not saying we want to share a site with Bournemouth who have already said they haven't got anywhere for a site to go so want to share with Poole so they can send them all here. No thank you Bournemouth
At least Poole now has the benefit of one senior Councillor whose political Party UKIP fully supports your very wise suggestion to reverse these lawless 'travellers' ethnic status - to date Bournemouth does not.
[quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: Poole council should be lobbying the government to remove their ethnic status not saying we want to share a site with Bournemouth who have already said they haven't got anywhere for a site to go so want to share with Poole so they can send them all here. No thank you Bournemouth[/p][/quote]At least Poole now has the benefit of one senior Councillor whose political Party UKIP fully supports your very wise suggestion to reverse these lawless 'travellers' ethnic status - to date Bournemouth does not. muscliffman
  • Score: 8

2:44pm Wed 2 Apr 14

smhinto says...

I have said this many times before. The best site for the 'Didd - (Ooops nearly said it again) - I mean travellers is to accommodate them at any Council refuse tip.
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There they cannot make any more mess than is already in situ. Any stench that they create will hopefully be absorbed by the smell of the site itself. They can steal what they like as it is discarded rubbish anyway. They can swear as much as they like as not many people will be there to hear it.
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It's a no brainer.
I have said this many times before. The best site for the 'Didd - (Ooops nearly said it again) - I mean travellers is to accommodate them at any Council refuse tip. . There they cannot make any more mess than is already in situ. Any stench that they create will hopefully be absorbed by the smell of the site itself. They can steal what they like as it is discarded rubbish anyway. They can swear as much as they like as not many people will be there to hear it. . It's a no brainer. smhinto
  • Score: 8

4:03pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Jo__Go says...

The Happy Chatterer wrote:
richardcompton3 wrote:
Instead of providing 'toilets and skips' I suggest tow trucks to take unlicensed vans and caravans to the nearest scrapyard to have them crushed.
I cannot believe how short sighted everyone has been over this entire affair, this was never about giving these people a free place to stay, but was purely firmly centred at giving the authorities a mechanism to swiftly move these people on. There were never going to be toilets and showers, only a chemical toilet disposal point and all vehicles entering or leaving would have been monitored, which believe me is not what traveller want, even the head of the Gypsy Council was against this site because he knew that it would mean that the travellers could be moved on immediately !!

With this site in place they wouldn't have considered the BOP for there summer hols because of those new powers, (ps Bournemouth would have continued to have no site or powers), and the site would have remained unused ( as may others have around the country)

..prepare yourselves for another summer of mess and moaning, and place the blame firmly on the NIMBY generation
Since all those in favour of the TSP seem to fervently believe it would never be used, why not assign Branksome Rec, or Penn Hill Car Park? If they are right there should never be a problem...
Funny how it's only when others stand up for their right to enjoy the area they live in that they are accused of nimbyism; I'm pretty sure I recall the councillors and residents of areas suffering incursions last year being pretty het up about it, and yet when the council wanted to dump the problem on Creekmoor for *six months* each year, residents get called 'a bullying mob'.
[quote][p][bold]The Happy Chatterer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]richardcompton3[/bold] wrote: Instead of providing 'toilets and skips' I suggest tow trucks to take unlicensed vans and caravans to the nearest scrapyard to have them crushed.[/p][/quote]I cannot believe how short sighted everyone has been over this entire affair, this was never about giving these people a free place to stay, but was purely firmly centred at giving the authorities a mechanism to swiftly move these people on. There were never going to be toilets and showers, only a chemical toilet disposal point and all vehicles entering or leaving would have been monitored, which believe me is not what traveller want, even the head of the Gypsy Council was against this site because he knew that it would mean that the travellers could be moved on immediately !! With this site in place they wouldn't have considered the BOP for there summer hols because of those new powers, (ps Bournemouth would have continued to have no site or powers), and the site would have remained unused ( as may others have around the country) ..prepare yourselves for another summer of mess and moaning, and place the blame firmly on the NIMBY generation[/p][/quote]Since all those in favour of the TSP seem to fervently believe it would never be used, why not assign Branksome Rec, or Penn Hill Car Park? If they are right there should never be a problem... Funny how it's only when others stand up for their right to enjoy the area they live in that they are accused of nimbyism; I'm pretty sure I recall the councillors and residents of areas suffering incursions last year being pretty het up about it, and yet when the council wanted to dump the problem on Creekmoor for *six months* each year, residents get called 'a bullying mob'. Jo__Go
  • Score: 12

5:17pm Wed 2 Apr 14

loftusrod says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
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wrote:
"The council is also speaking to the Gipsy Council and has a code of conduct with which it expects travellers to comply." Ha-ha!! That is the funniest thing I've read in years!!!!!!!
Joseph Jones was at the meeting when the decisions were made against the land being used for temporary sites.
I suppose it's too much to hope that he reported back to the Gypsy Council to say that there is nowhere for his people to stay in Poole and advise them not to come here.
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: "The council is also speaking to the Gipsy Council and has a code of conduct with which it expects travellers to comply." Ha-ha!! That is the funniest thing I've read in years!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Joseph Jones was at the meeting when the decisions were made against the land being used for temporary sites. I suppose it's too much to hope that he reported back to the Gypsy Council to say that there is nowhere for his people to stay in Poole and advise them not to come here. loftusrod
  • Score: 5

5:26pm Wed 2 Apr 14

askquestion says...

im in no doubt that there are more than sufficient laws available to police and councils now. health and safety, section 5 public order act. disturbance of wildlife. why the heck should local taxpayers/ratepayers
. pay for this lot to come on " holiday " seeing caravans and jeeps coming off the Irish ferries should be a clue for the police to swing into action. never mind building up banks of soil ! what a stupid notion, when these law breakers regularly cut through chains on gates. the filth they wallow in, is left when they finally choose to depart. often leaving puppies and bantams behind to starve. our local common was a filthy stinking mess last year. it took weeks to rid the site of these scummy people. Ireland doesnt want them, and if they choose to break our laws. confiscate thier vehicles worth a few grand. or as someone in essex suggested, buya few catapults ! bournemouth and poole councillors the message is.:- we dont want them here. do the job that you are all well paid to do.
im in no doubt that there are more than sufficient laws available to police and councils now. health and safety, section 5 public order act. disturbance of wildlife. why the heck should local taxpayers/ratepayers . pay for this lot to come on " holiday " seeing caravans and jeeps coming off the Irish ferries should be a clue for the police to swing into action. never mind building up banks of soil ! what a stupid notion, when these law breakers regularly cut through chains on gates. the filth they wallow in, is left when they finally choose to depart. often leaving puppies and bantams behind to starve. our local common was a filthy stinking mess last year. it took weeks to rid the site of these scummy people. Ireland doesnt want them, and if they choose to break our laws. confiscate thier vehicles worth a few grand. or as someone in essex suggested, buya few catapults ! bournemouth and poole councillors the message is.:- we dont want them here. do the job that you are all well paid to do. askquestion
  • Score: 7

5:26pm Wed 2 Apr 14

askquestion says...

im in no doubt that there are more than sufficient laws available to police and councils now. health and safety, section 5 public order act. disturbance of wildlife. why the heck should local taxpayers/ratepayers
. pay for this lot to come on " holiday " seeing caravans and jeeps coming off the Irish ferries should be a clue for the police to swing into action. never mind building up banks of soil ! what a stupid notion, when these law breakers regularly cut through chains on gates. the filth they wallow in, is left when they finally choose to depart. often leaving puppies and bantams behind to starve. our local common was a filthy stinking mess last year. it took weeks to rid the site of these scummy people. Ireland doesnt want them, and if they choose to break our laws. confiscate thier vehicles worth a few grand. or as someone in essex suggested, buya few catapults ! bournemouth and poole councillors the message is.:- we dont want them here. do the job that you are all well paid to do.
im in no doubt that there are more than sufficient laws available to police and councils now. health and safety, section 5 public order act. disturbance of wildlife. why the heck should local taxpayers/ratepayers . pay for this lot to come on " holiday " seeing caravans and jeeps coming off the Irish ferries should be a clue for the police to swing into action. never mind building up banks of soil ! what a stupid notion, when these law breakers regularly cut through chains on gates. the filth they wallow in, is left when they finally choose to depart. often leaving puppies and bantams behind to starve. our local common was a filthy stinking mess last year. it took weeks to rid the site of these scummy people. Ireland doesnt want them, and if they choose to break our laws. confiscate thier vehicles worth a few grand. or as someone in essex suggested, buya few catapults ! bournemouth and poole councillors the message is.:- we dont want them here. do the job that you are all well paid to do. askquestion
  • Score: 3

6:09pm Wed 2 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

Isosceles wrote:
I fail to understand why these people can get away with removing or damaging bollards and fences, etc. to access land when any of us would find ourselves 'down the nick' and our vehicles seized.
We're not ethnic minorities with human rights. That's why we wouldn't get away with it. Nor would we get away with crapping anywhere that suits us, or trashing a site and leaving it trashed and contaminated when we finally decide to jog on and give the locals a break.
[quote][p][bold]Isosceles[/bold] wrote: I fail to understand why these people can get away with removing or damaging bollards and fences, etc. to access land when any of us would find ourselves 'down the nick' and our vehicles seized.[/p][/quote]We're not ethnic minorities with human rights. That's why we wouldn't get away with it. Nor would we get away with crapping anywhere that suits us, or trashing a site and leaving it trashed and contaminated when we finally decide to jog on and give the locals a break. JackJohnson
  • Score: 5

11:33am Sat 5 Apr 14

SeeTheBee says...

Can I just ask everyone to pause and revisit Councillor White's key messages:

"It is quite clear we are not going to find anything for the summer .... Now we need to take stock and look at other things we can do .... the journey goes on ... We have been looking for a site for the last three to five years. That hasn’t produced anything,”

Surely we shouldn't be doubting our councillors' ability to bring their dynamism to bear on the problem and solve it quickly, successfully and cost-effectively, should we?
Can I just ask everyone to pause and revisit Councillor White's key messages: "It is quite clear we are not going to find anything for the summer .... Now we need to take stock and look at other things we can do .... the journey goes on ... We have been looking for a site for the last three to five years. That hasn’t produced anything,” Surely we shouldn't be doubting our councillors' ability to bring their dynamism to bear on the problem and solve it quickly, successfully and cost-effectively, should we? SeeTheBee
  • Score: 3

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