Councillor takes to the streets for UKIP two days after quitting the Conservatives

CANVASSING: Tony Woodcock, left, talking to residents with prospective parliamentary candidate David Young

CANVASSING: Tony Woodcock, left, talking to residents with prospective parliamentary candidate David Young

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A LONG-serving Poole councillor was out canvassing for the United Kingdom Independence Party within two days of confirming he was leaving the Conservatives.

Tony Woodcock, a former member of the borough’s cabinet, confirmed on Monday that he was defecting from the Tory party, which he said had been “modernised and detoxified out of existence”.

His departure leaves the Conservatives with only one more seat than the Liberal Democrat opposition on Poole council.

On Wednesday, UKIP sent out a picture of Cllr Woodcock canvassing in his Parkstone ward with their prospective parliamentary candidate, David Young.

John Butler, UKIP Poole Branch chairman, said: “Tony is a councillor of great experience and integrity, who has always fought for common sense. He will be a considerable asset in Poole as we develop our local campaign for the May 2015 elections.

“Because UKIP does not impose a whip on its councillors, Tony can represent his constituents as he thinks best, free of any pressure to toe a party political line.”

Cllr Woodcock has said the modern Tory party is ‘not now the Conservative Party I have worked for for 40 years’.

He said his main local concern was the Navitus windfarm, “which will cost us all an arm and a leg, will not consistently produce the goods, will be environmentally risky and will despoil our heritage coast”.

He added: “Residents’ objections have been shunned by all Poole parties when I have asked for a fair representation of the other side of the case. Requests for all residents to be informed and allowed to speak have been turned down.”

Poole council leader Cllr Elaine Atkinson said Cllr Woodcock’s departure was a “sad day for the Conservatives in Poole”.

“It's been clear that he’s been unhappy for some time.

“However, we can’t allow narrow issues, that don’t properly reflect the views of the majority of people in Poole, to stop us from focusing on jobs, the economy and growth,” she said.

“Tony should remember that we are the only party that plans to give the people of Poole the chance to vote on Europe.”

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6:58am Wed 2 Apr 14

Nee how says...

He could have taken the easy route and stayed Conservative. A man of principle and will get my vote. Good luck with UKIP
He could have taken the easy route and stayed Conservative. A man of principle and will get my vote. Good luck with UKIP Nee how
  • Score: 30

7:21am Wed 2 Apr 14

Gordon Cann says...

Perhaps Tony Woodcock in particular, and UKIP generally ,will now address
the central question as to whether if they won a majority of seats on Poole Council or in the House of Commons they would then expect members to support the agreed party line i.e.effectively impose a whip-anything less makes ,.so it seems to me UKIP to be parasitical on the body politic generally,' in plain English it is one thing to have a few independents ( UKIP type) and quite another to have a Government of 'independent's. Clarification urgently needed.!
Perhaps Tony Woodcock in particular, and UKIP generally ,will now address the central question as to whether if they won a majority of seats on Poole Council or in the House of Commons they would then expect members to support the agreed party line i.e.effectively impose a whip-anything less makes ,.so it seems to me UKIP to be parasitical on the body politic generally,' in plain English it is one thing to have a few independents ( UKIP type) and quite another to have a Government of 'independent's. Clarification urgently needed.! Gordon Cann
  • Score: -19

8:29am Wed 2 Apr 14

Bob49 says...

I am more concerned with their policies of having Werthers originals free on the NHS and boys of 14 and over to be obliged to smoke a pipe.
I am more concerned with their policies of having Werthers originals free on the NHS and boys of 14 and over to be obliged to smoke a pipe. Bob49
  • Score: -30

8:37am Wed 2 Apr 14

secreto says...

I have noticed that the smear campaign has started early this time in the national newspapers. I, a previous conservative voter will be voting UKIP at the elections. I believe Britain has lost its way, it's values and has become corrupt to the core. Under the Conservatives the rich get richer whilst the poor seem to get poorer? Lib Dems, well, after doing a uturn on the tuition rise for students how can that party be trusted let alone taken seriously.Labour....
.... Well Labour systematically destroyed the british peoples lives by allowing cartels to rape and pillage all our wealth whilst a select few got rich quick and departed early before the news spread. The way I see it what do we have to lose? I mean the national debt as it stands at 08:30 this morning is £1,287,285,190. A debt that will NEVER be cleared in our life time. UKIP seem to be the only party that are LISTENING to the British people and I think this is the key to their rising success. All the other parties seem to be telling us what we should be thinking. There is a fundemantal difference.
I have noticed that the smear campaign has started early this time in the national newspapers. I, a previous conservative voter will be voting UKIP at the elections. I believe Britain has lost its way, it's values and has become corrupt to the core. Under the Conservatives the rich get richer whilst the poor seem to get poorer? Lib Dems, well, after doing a uturn on the tuition rise for students how can that party be trusted let alone taken seriously.Labour.... .... Well Labour systematically destroyed the british peoples lives by allowing cartels to rape and pillage all our wealth whilst a select few got rich quick and departed early before the news spread. The way I see it what do we have to lose? I mean the national debt as it stands at 08:30 this morning is £1,287,285,190. A debt that will NEVER be cleared in our life time. UKIP seem to be the only party that are LISTENING to the British people and I think this is the key to their rising success. All the other parties seem to be telling us what we should be thinking. There is a fundemantal difference. secreto
  • Score: 22

8:43am Wed 2 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

Gordon Cann wrote:
Perhaps Tony Woodcock in particular, and UKIP generally ,will now address
the central question as to whether if they won a majority of seats on Poole Council or in the House of Commons they would then expect members to support the agreed party line i.e.effectively impose a whip-anything less makes ,.so it seems to me UKIP to be parasitical on the body politic generally,' in plain English it is one thing to have a few independents ( UKIP type) and quite another to have a Government of 'independent's. Clarification urgently needed.!
The Whip system imposes restrictions, on politicians, which make it difficult - if not impossible - to represent the views of the people they claim to represent when the views of those people differ from those of the party leadership. The Whip system, therefore, contributes to the destruction of democracy.

It will be a great day for seekers of true democracy when the Whip system is finally abandoned and politicians can truly represent their constituents instead of being forced to toe the party line.

I wasn't aware that UKIP does not impose a whip. Now that I am I will be voting for them at every opportunity.
[quote][p][bold]Gordon Cann[/bold] wrote: Perhaps Tony Woodcock in particular, and UKIP generally ,will now address the central question as to whether if they won a majority of seats on Poole Council or in the House of Commons they would then expect members to support the agreed party line i.e.effectively impose a whip-anything less makes ,.so it seems to me UKIP to be parasitical on the body politic generally,' in plain English it is one thing to have a few independents ( UKIP type) and quite another to have a Government of 'independent's. Clarification urgently needed.![/p][/quote]The Whip system imposes restrictions, on politicians, which make it difficult - if not impossible - to represent the views of the people they claim to represent when the views of those people differ from those of the party leadership. The Whip system, therefore, contributes to the destruction of democracy. It will be a great day for seekers of true democracy when the Whip system is finally abandoned and politicians can truly represent their constituents instead of being forced to toe the party line. I wasn't aware that UKIP does not impose a whip. Now that I am I will be voting for them at every opportunity. JackJohnson
  • Score: 17

8:53am Wed 2 Apr 14

Hessenford says...

UKIP do seem to be listening and supporting the ordinary people in the street, I think most would connect more with UKIP than the Tories, Labour or lib dems.
Lib Dems haven't got a hope in hell of governing this country, Tories are for the rich, Labour are full of promises while in opposition and then deliver nothing when in government.
I suspect that UKIP are way to small at the moment to win power so where do we go from here, plus of course everyone is so disillusioned with money grabbing politicians that the turnout is pretty low anyway I believe we are all in deep dicky doo daa for a number of years to come.
UKIP do seem to be listening and supporting the ordinary people in the street, I think most would connect more with UKIP than the Tories, Labour or lib dems. Lib Dems haven't got a hope in hell of governing this country, Tories are for the rich, Labour are full of promises while in opposition and then deliver nothing when in government. I suspect that UKIP are way to small at the moment to win power so where do we go from here, plus of course everyone is so disillusioned with money grabbing politicians that the turnout is pretty low anyway I believe we are all in deep dicky doo daa for a number of years to come. Hessenford
  • Score: 16

8:54am Wed 2 Apr 14

N Smith says...

secreto wrote:
I have noticed that the smear campaign has started early this time in the national newspapers. I, a previous conservative voter will be voting UKIP at the elections. I believe Britain has lost its way, it's values and has become corrupt to the core. Under the Conservatives the rich get richer whilst the poor seem to get poorer? Lib Dems, well, after doing a uturn on the tuition rise for students how can that party be trusted let alone taken seriously.Labour....

.... Well Labour systematically destroyed the british peoples lives by allowing cartels to rape and pillage all our wealth whilst a select few got rich quick and departed early before the news spread. The way I see it what do we have to lose? I mean the national debt as it stands at 08:30 this morning is £1,287,285,190. A debt that will NEVER be cleared in our life time. UKIP seem to be the only party that are LISTENING to the British people and I think this is the key to their rising success. All the other parties seem to be telling us what we should be thinking. There is a fundemantal difference.
Totally agree, I voted Lib Dem last election but I am definitely voting UKIP next time round.
[quote][p][bold]secreto[/bold] wrote: I have noticed that the smear campaign has started early this time in the national newspapers. I, a previous conservative voter will be voting UKIP at the elections. I believe Britain has lost its way, it's values and has become corrupt to the core. Under the Conservatives the rich get richer whilst the poor seem to get poorer? Lib Dems, well, after doing a uturn on the tuition rise for students how can that party be trusted let alone taken seriously.Labour.... .... Well Labour systematically destroyed the british peoples lives by allowing cartels to rape and pillage all our wealth whilst a select few got rich quick and departed early before the news spread. The way I see it what do we have to lose? I mean the national debt as it stands at 08:30 this morning is £1,287,285,190. A debt that will NEVER be cleared in our life time. UKIP seem to be the only party that are LISTENING to the British people and I think this is the key to their rising success. All the other parties seem to be telling us what we should be thinking. There is a fundemantal difference.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, I voted Lib Dem last election but I am definitely voting UKIP next time round. N Smith
  • Score: 15

9:04am Wed 2 Apr 14

MJD says...

Good man hope he get elected and helps get the Conservatives out of Poole Council. All I hope is Councillor Judy Butt ditches the Conservatives after been craped on by them.
Good man hope he get elected and helps get the Conservatives out of Poole Council. All I hope is Councillor Judy Butt ditches the Conservatives after been craped on by them. MJD
  • Score: 15

9:04am Wed 2 Apr 14

PokesdownMark says...

UKIP worry me. They, Farage in particular, sound brilliant. The words he uses are emotive, stirring and appeal to certain base emotions. But he is always short of actual, confirmed facts and gives very little clue about how these ideas would actually manifest in policies. In fact many of their ideas would simply not work as actual policies where shades of grey must be cast in black and white.

Generally speaking... giving very charismatic, opinionated, idiological men political power doesn't end well. As has been seen many times in the past.
UKIP worry me. They, Farage in particular, sound brilliant. The words he uses are emotive, stirring and appeal to certain base emotions. But he is always short of actual, confirmed facts and gives very little clue about how these ideas would actually manifest in policies. In fact many of their ideas would simply not work as actual policies where shades of grey must be cast in black and white. Generally speaking... giving very charismatic, opinionated, idiological men political power doesn't end well. As has been seen many times in the past. PokesdownMark
  • Score: -3

9:06am Wed 2 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

Hessenford wrote:
UKIP do seem to be listening and supporting the ordinary people in the street, I think most would connect more with UKIP than the Tories, Labour or lib dems.
Lib Dems haven't got a hope in hell of governing this country, Tories are for the rich, Labour are full of promises while in opposition and then deliver nothing when in government.
I suspect that UKIP are way to small at the moment to win power so where do we go from here, plus of course everyone is so disillusioned with money grabbing politicians that the turnout is pretty low anyway I believe we are all in deep dicky doo daa for a number of years to come.
'Small' government will lead to them concentrating on issues that really matter, and a hands-off approach with issues that can be devolved to local authorities and even local communities.

What we've got, at the moment, is government that tries to micromanage everything and - as a result - achieves very little.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: UKIP do seem to be listening and supporting the ordinary people in the street, I think most would connect more with UKIP than the Tories, Labour or lib dems. Lib Dems haven't got a hope in hell of governing this country, Tories are for the rich, Labour are full of promises while in opposition and then deliver nothing when in government. I suspect that UKIP are way to small at the moment to win power so where do we go from here, plus of course everyone is so disillusioned with money grabbing politicians that the turnout is pretty low anyway I believe we are all in deep dicky doo daa for a number of years to come.[/p][/quote]'Small' government will lead to them concentrating on issues that really matter, and a hands-off approach with issues that can be devolved to local authorities and even local communities. What we've got, at the moment, is government that tries to micromanage everything and - as a result - achieves very little. JackJohnson
  • Score: 15

9:17am Wed 2 Apr 14

Hessenford says...

PokesdownMark wrote:
UKIP worry me. They, Farage in particular, sound brilliant. The words he uses are emotive, stirring and appeal to certain base emotions. But he is always short of actual, confirmed facts and gives very little clue about how these ideas would actually manifest in policies. In fact many of their ideas would simply not work as actual policies where shades of grey must be cast in black and white.

Generally speaking... giving very charismatic, opinionated, idiological men political power doesn't end well. As has been seen many times in the past.
Why should Farage worry you, he has no chance of gaining absolute power for quite some time I would think but he may well give the other complacent parties a severe bloody nose.
[quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: UKIP worry me. They, Farage in particular, sound brilliant. The words he uses are emotive, stirring and appeal to certain base emotions. But he is always short of actual, confirmed facts and gives very little clue about how these ideas would actually manifest in policies. In fact many of their ideas would simply not work as actual policies where shades of grey must be cast in black and white. Generally speaking... giving very charismatic, opinionated, idiological men political power doesn't end well. As has been seen many times in the past.[/p][/quote]Why should Farage worry you, he has no chance of gaining absolute power for quite some time I would think but he may well give the other complacent parties a severe bloody nose. Hessenford
  • Score: 10

9:18am Wed 2 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

PokesdownMark wrote:
UKIP worry me. They, Farage in particular, sound brilliant. The words he uses are emotive, stirring and appeal to certain base emotions. But he is always short of actual, confirmed facts and gives very little clue about how these ideas would actually manifest in policies. In fact many of their ideas would simply not work as actual policies where shades of grey must be cast in black and white.

Generally speaking... giving very charismatic, opinionated, idiological men political power doesn't end well. As has been seen many times in the past.
Don't forget, there was a woman that came VERY close to being a dictator. Not that she was charismatic. Opinionated and Idiological - yes. Charismatic - no.
[quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: UKIP worry me. They, Farage in particular, sound brilliant. The words he uses are emotive, stirring and appeal to certain base emotions. But he is always short of actual, confirmed facts and gives very little clue about how these ideas would actually manifest in policies. In fact many of their ideas would simply not work as actual policies where shades of grey must be cast in black and white. Generally speaking... giving very charismatic, opinionated, idiological men political power doesn't end well. As has been seen many times in the past.[/p][/quote]Don't forget, there was a woman that came VERY close to being a dictator. Not that she was charismatic. Opinionated and Idiological - yes. Charismatic - no. JackJohnson
  • Score: 3

9:25am Wed 2 Apr 14

PokesdownMark says...

Hessenford wrote:
PokesdownMark wrote:
UKIP worry me. They, Farage in particular, sound brilliant. The words he uses are emotive, stirring and appeal to certain base emotions. But he is always short of actual, confirmed facts and gives very little clue about how these ideas would actually manifest in policies. In fact many of their ideas would simply not work as actual policies where shades of grey must be cast in black and white.

Generally speaking... giving very charismatic, opinionated, idiological men political power doesn't end well. As has been seen many times in the past.
Why should Farage worry you, he has no chance of gaining absolute power for quite some time I would think but he may well give the other complacent parties a severe bloody nose.
I think you underestimate how easy it can be to persuade people. Remember that survey some weeks ago that proved public opinion on several key areas was completely at odds with reality. Politicians are quick to exploit that even though they themselves do know the actual 'facts on the ground'.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: UKIP worry me. They, Farage in particular, sound brilliant. The words he uses are emotive, stirring and appeal to certain base emotions. But he is always short of actual, confirmed facts and gives very little clue about how these ideas would actually manifest in policies. In fact many of their ideas would simply not work as actual policies where shades of grey must be cast in black and white. Generally speaking... giving very charismatic, opinionated, idiological men political power doesn't end well. As has been seen many times in the past.[/p][/quote]Why should Farage worry you, he has no chance of gaining absolute power for quite some time I would think but he may well give the other complacent parties a severe bloody nose.[/p][/quote]I think you underestimate how easy it can be to persuade people. Remember that survey some weeks ago that proved public opinion on several key areas was completely at odds with reality. Politicians are quick to exploit that even though they themselves do know the actual 'facts on the ground'. PokesdownMark
  • Score: 11

9:28am Wed 2 Apr 14

Hessenford says...

PokesdownMark wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
PokesdownMark wrote:
UKIP worry me. They, Farage in particular, sound brilliant. The words he uses are emotive, stirring and appeal to certain base emotions. But he is always short of actual, confirmed facts and gives very little clue about how these ideas would actually manifest in policies. In fact many of their ideas would simply not work as actual policies where shades of grey must be cast in black and white.

Generally speaking... giving very charismatic, opinionated, idiological men political power doesn't end well. As has been seen many times in the past.
Why should Farage worry you, he has no chance of gaining absolute power for quite some time I would think but he may well give the other complacent parties a severe bloody nose.
I think you underestimate how easy it can be to persuade people. Remember that survey some weeks ago that proved public opinion on several key areas was completely at odds with reality. Politicians are quick to exploit that even though they themselves do know the actual 'facts on the ground'.
Problem with surveys is that they are very selective on who is asked certain questions.
[quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: UKIP worry me. They, Farage in particular, sound brilliant. The words he uses are emotive, stirring and appeal to certain base emotions. But he is always short of actual, confirmed facts and gives very little clue about how these ideas would actually manifest in policies. In fact many of their ideas would simply not work as actual policies where shades of grey must be cast in black and white. Generally speaking... giving very charismatic, opinionated, idiological men political power doesn't end well. As has been seen many times in the past.[/p][/quote]Why should Farage worry you, he has no chance of gaining absolute power for quite some time I would think but he may well give the other complacent parties a severe bloody nose.[/p][/quote]I think you underestimate how easy it can be to persuade people. Remember that survey some weeks ago that proved public opinion on several key areas was completely at odds with reality. Politicians are quick to exploit that even though they themselves do know the actual 'facts on the ground'.[/p][/quote]Problem with surveys is that they are very selective on who is asked certain questions. Hessenford
  • Score: 9

9:34am Wed 2 Apr 14

pete woodley says...

Turncoat,should resign and stand again.
Turncoat,should resign and stand again. pete woodley
  • Score: 3

10:22am Wed 2 Apr 14

PokesdownMark says...

Yes surveys can absolutely be written to produce the result that the person paying for the survey wants. A shocking amount of newspaper content is wholly based on this type of thing.

No, this survey was at the better end of the spectrum:

http://www.ipsos-mor
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Yes surveys can absolutely be written to produce the result that the person paying for the survey wants. A shocking amount of newspaper content is wholly based on this type of thing. No, this survey was at the better end of the spectrum: http://www.ipsos-mor i.com/researchpublic ations/researcharchi ve/3188/Perceptions- are-not-reality-the- top-10-we-get-wrong. aspx PokesdownMark
  • Score: 8

10:31am Wed 2 Apr 14

John T says...

pete woodley wrote:
Turncoat,should resign and stand again.
As a Parkstone Ward constituent of Tony Woodcock, for once , pete woodley, I agree with you entirely and your emotive language.
He turns to a party who does not like to be governed from Brussels, and yet, on the Home Front, he lives in Southbourne, and wants to represent Parkstone, which is not in, and does not even adjoin, his Parliamentary constituency.
The only way he has claimed to be able to stand in Parkstone in the past is to claim by way of work qualification, that he works in Poole as a Poole Councillor. No wonder, then, that he daren't risk losing his nice little earner as a Poole Councillor. Just as Farage grabs all the personal money he can from the European Parliament for himself and his wife, so Woodcock rips off Poole Council taxpayers.
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Turncoat,should resign and stand again.[/p][/quote]As a Parkstone Ward constituent of Tony Woodcock, for once , pete woodley, I agree with you entirely and your emotive language. He turns to a party who does not like to be governed from Brussels, and yet, on the Home Front, he lives in Southbourne, and wants to represent Parkstone, which is not in, and does not even adjoin, his Parliamentary constituency. The only way he has claimed to be able to stand in Parkstone in the past is to claim by way of work qualification, that he works in Poole as a Poole Councillor. No wonder, then, that he daren't risk losing his nice little earner as a Poole Councillor. Just as Farage grabs all the personal money he can from the European Parliament for himself and his wife, so Woodcock rips off Poole Council taxpayers. John T
  • Score: 2

11:00am Wed 2 Apr 14

lilacfloyd says...

secreto wrote:
I have noticed that the smear campaign has started early this time in the national newspapers. I, a previous conservative voter will be voting UKIP at the elections. I believe Britain has lost its way, it's values and has become corrupt to the core. Under the Conservatives the rich get richer whilst the poor seem to get poorer? Lib Dems, well, after doing a uturn on the tuition rise for students how can that party be trusted let alone taken seriously.Labour....

.... Well Labour systematically destroyed the british peoples lives by allowing cartels to rape and pillage all our wealth whilst a select few got rich quick and departed early before the news spread. The way I see it what do we have to lose? I mean the national debt as it stands at 08:30 this morning is £1,287,285,190. A debt that will NEVER be cleared in our life time. UKIP seem to be the only party that are LISTENING to the British people and I think this is the key to their rising success. All the other parties seem to be telling us what we should be thinking. There is a fundemantal difference.
I wish the national debt was £1,287,285,190 (£1.27 Billion).
The nation debt is actually roughly £1,287,000,000,000 (£1.27 Trillion) ;)
[quote][p][bold]secreto[/bold] wrote: I have noticed that the smear campaign has started early this time in the national newspapers. I, a previous conservative voter will be voting UKIP at the elections. I believe Britain has lost its way, it's values and has become corrupt to the core. Under the Conservatives the rich get richer whilst the poor seem to get poorer? Lib Dems, well, after doing a uturn on the tuition rise for students how can that party be trusted let alone taken seriously.Labour.... .... Well Labour systematically destroyed the british peoples lives by allowing cartels to rape and pillage all our wealth whilst a select few got rich quick and departed early before the news spread. The way I see it what do we have to lose? I mean the national debt as it stands at 08:30 this morning is £1,287,285,190. A debt that will NEVER be cleared in our life time. UKIP seem to be the only party that are LISTENING to the British people and I think this is the key to their rising success. All the other parties seem to be telling us what we should be thinking. There is a fundemantal difference.[/p][/quote]I wish the national debt was £1,287,285,190 (£1.27 Billion). The nation debt is actually roughly £1,287,000,000,000 (£1.27 Trillion) ;) lilacfloyd
  • Score: 11

11:14am Wed 2 Apr 14

Major Futtock says...

Poole council leader Cllr Elaine Atkinson said Cllr Woodcock’s departure was a “sad day for the Conservatives in Poole”.

I understand that Atkinson's behaviour in sacking Butt from the Cabinet has proved most unpopular with many Tory Councillors in Poole and in the reason TW left was in fact due to Atkinson's dictatorial behaviour.
So it is indeed a sad day for the Conservatives in Poole when their own leader drives them out of their posts and party. Perhaps if Atkinson wants to make a 'happy day' for Poole she should do us all a favour and 'fall on her sword' .
Poole council leader Cllr Elaine Atkinson said Cllr Woodcock’s departure was a “sad day for the Conservatives in Poole”. I understand that Atkinson's behaviour in sacking Butt from the Cabinet has proved most unpopular with many Tory Councillors in Poole and in the reason TW left was in fact due to Atkinson's dictatorial behaviour. So it is indeed a sad day for the Conservatives in Poole when their own leader drives them out of their posts and party. Perhaps if Atkinson wants to make a 'happy day' for Poole she should do us all a favour and 'fall on her sword' . Major Futtock
  • Score: 3

11:27am Wed 2 Apr 14

Loyal2AFCB says...

BNP in tweed. I would urge working class people to look back at history before running into the arms of the far right.
BNP in tweed. I would urge working class people to look back at history before running into the arms of the far right. Loyal2AFCB
  • Score: -32

12:15pm Wed 2 Apr 14

calamity carney says...

MJD wrote:
Good man hope he get elected and helps get the Conservatives out of Poole Council. All I hope is Councillor Judy Butt ditches the Conservatives after been craped on by them.
Butt did it to herself. Everyone is blind where she is concerned.
[quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Good man hope he get elected and helps get the Conservatives out of Poole Council. All I hope is Councillor Judy Butt ditches the Conservatives after been craped on by them.[/p][/quote]Butt did it to herself. Everyone is blind where she is concerned. calamity carney
  • Score: 7

12:17pm Wed 2 Apr 14

calamity carney says...

Loyal2AFCB wrote:
BNP in tweed. I would urge working class people to look back at history before running into the arms of the far right.
Yes spot on. I have stopped voting con at local and national level after Mrs T got in a second time. Labour every time and if you have to work for a living the Tories are the worst party be far.
[quote][p][bold]Loyal2AFCB[/bold] wrote: BNP in tweed. I would urge working class people to look back at history before running into the arms of the far right.[/p][/quote]Yes spot on. I have stopped voting con at local and national level after Mrs T got in a second time. Labour every time and if you have to work for a living the Tories are the worst party be far. calamity carney
  • Score: 1

12:50pm Wed 2 Apr 14

In Absentia says...

It's an absolute myth that UKIP councillors are free to speak their minds at local level. Mr Farage was quick to expel the lunatic who claimed that the Somerset floods were God's revenge for introducing same sex marriage!

He's desperate at the moment for his members to basically shut up ahead of elections. Still, Mr Putin must be relieved to get the support of such a massive name in UK politics.
It's an absolute myth that UKIP councillors are free to speak their minds at local level. Mr Farage was quick to expel the lunatic who claimed that the Somerset floods were God's revenge for introducing same sex marriage! He's desperate at the moment for his members to basically shut up ahead of elections. Still, Mr Putin must be relieved to get the support of such a massive name in UK politics. In Absentia
  • Score: -9

1:10pm Wed 2 Apr 14

lilacfloyd says...

In Absentia wrote:
It's an absolute myth that UKIP councillors are free to speak their minds at local level. Mr Farage was quick to expel the lunatic who claimed that the Somerset floods were God's revenge for introducing same sex marriage!

He's desperate at the moment for his members to basically shut up ahead of elections. Still, Mr Putin must be relieved to get the support of such a massive name in UK politics.
Apparently he doesn't like Putin:-
"To clarify, I said that while I thought he was a formidable operator, as a human being I did not like him at all and I made a point of highlighting the number of journalists in jail in Russia."

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[quote][p][bold]In Absentia[/bold] wrote: It's an absolute myth that UKIP councillors are free to speak their minds at local level. Mr Farage was quick to expel the lunatic who claimed that the Somerset floods were God's revenge for introducing same sex marriage! He's desperate at the moment for his members to basically shut up ahead of elections. Still, Mr Putin must be relieved to get the support of such a massive name in UK politics.[/p][/quote]Apparently he doesn't like Putin:- "To clarify, I said that while I thought he was a formidable operator, as a human being I did not like him at all and I made a point of highlighting the number of journalists in jail in Russia." www.independent.co.u k/voices/comment/nig el-farage-in-any-arm ed-conflict-why-do-o ur-politicians-rush- to-support-the-rebel s-9228311.html lilacfloyd
  • Score: 5

1:20pm Wed 2 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

In Absentia wrote:
It's an absolute myth that UKIP councillors are free to speak their minds at local level. Mr Farage was quick to expel the lunatic who claimed that the Somerset floods were God's revenge for introducing same sex marriage!

He's desperate at the moment for his members to basically shut up ahead of elections. Still, Mr Putin must be relieved to get the support of such a massive name in UK politics.
As he was a lunatic he was hardly likely to be an asset to the party, or to be in touch with the views of his electorate.
[quote][p][bold]In Absentia[/bold] wrote: It's an absolute myth that UKIP councillors are free to speak their minds at local level. Mr Farage was quick to expel the lunatic who claimed that the Somerset floods were God's revenge for introducing same sex marriage! He's desperate at the moment for his members to basically shut up ahead of elections. Still, Mr Putin must be relieved to get the support of such a massive name in UK politics.[/p][/quote]As he was a lunatic he was hardly likely to be an asset to the party, or to be in touch with the views of his electorate. JackJohnson
  • Score: 0

1:35pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Gordon Cann wrote:
Perhaps Tony Woodcock in particular, and UKIP generally ,will now address
the central question as to whether if they won a majority of seats on Poole Council or in the House of Commons they would then expect members to support the agreed party line i.e.effectively impose a whip-anything less makes ,.so it seems to me UKIP to be parasitical on the body politic generally,' in plain English it is one thing to have a few independents ( UKIP type) and quite another to have a Government of 'independent's. Clarification urgently needed.!
Maybe you are unaware of UKIP policies and what they stand for, a view on their new website www.ukip.org may be a bit of an eye opener for you. UKIP want to reduce central government and give greater powers to local authorities, as each local authority has different needs to the next one. UKIP MPs will work together as a party on issues in the best interests of the British people, UKIP councillors are expected to work in the best interest of their local constituents and pass major concerns onto the party MPs. To be able to make significant change in HoC you need the backing of a party that works together as one, hence the whip is in place for MEP/MP. As for winning a majority in the HoC, that is impossible with the FPTP we use in this country, no party can go from zero to a majority but with enough votes UKIP could easily be part of the next coalition and I believe that is the best thing that could happen for Britain, because it will create a much needed change in British politics and certainly make our MPs far more transparent and accountable. If you want change in this country then UKIP are the only party offering that. Lab/Con/Lib simply means more of the same.
[quote][p][bold]Gordon Cann[/bold] wrote: Perhaps Tony Woodcock in particular, and UKIP generally ,will now address the central question as to whether if they won a majority of seats on Poole Council or in the House of Commons they would then expect members to support the agreed party line i.e.effectively impose a whip-anything less makes ,.so it seems to me UKIP to be parasitical on the body politic generally,' in plain English it is one thing to have a few independents ( UKIP type) and quite another to have a Government of 'independent's. Clarification urgently needed.![/p][/quote]Maybe you are unaware of UKIP policies and what they stand for, a view on their new website www.ukip.org may be a bit of an eye opener for you. UKIP want to reduce central government and give greater powers to local authorities, as each local authority has different needs to the next one. UKIP MPs will work together as a party on issues in the best interests of the British people, UKIP councillors are expected to work in the best interest of their local constituents and pass major concerns onto the party MPs. To be able to make significant change in HoC you need the backing of a party that works together as one, hence the whip is in place for MEP/MP. As for winning a majority in the HoC, that is impossible with the FPTP we use in this country, no party can go from zero to a majority but with enough votes UKIP could easily be part of the next coalition and I believe that is the best thing that could happen for Britain, because it will create a much needed change in British politics and certainly make our MPs far more transparent and accountable. If you want change in this country then UKIP are the only party offering that. Lab/Con/Lib simply means more of the same. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 3

1:51pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Cllr Atkinson wrote “Tony should remember that we are the only party that plans to give the people of Poole the chance to vote on Europe.”

I suppose she is referring to cast iron Cameron's promise of a referendum, the exact same promise he made in the run up to the 2010 General Election, only a fool falls for the same lie twice. The reason why Cameron made this latest false promise was a failed attempt to slow the UKIP surge of popularity and he has already admitted that even if he ever did give a referendum he would campaign ardently for a vote to stay in the EU. So really the Conservatives are no different to Labour or the LieDems they all want to remain in the EU, even though with every new country that joins in the madness our vote share decreases in Europe. They also shout about renegotiation of the Treaty of Lisbon, which anyone who knows anything about the EU knows full well there will never be any significant changes made through negotiation and the EU have clearly stated this. If you want to see real change for the better in British politics then vote UKIP at every opportunity because that will force that much need change anything else is simply voting for more of the same nonsense that the majority are already fed up with.
Cllr Atkinson wrote “Tony should remember that we are the only party that plans to give the people of Poole the chance to vote on Europe.” I suppose she is referring to cast iron Cameron's promise of a referendum, the exact same promise he made in the run up to the 2010 General Election, only a fool falls for the same lie twice. The reason why Cameron made this latest false promise was a failed attempt to slow the UKIP surge of popularity and he has already admitted that even if he ever did give a referendum he would campaign ardently for a vote to stay in the EU. So really the Conservatives are no different to Labour or the LieDems they all want to remain in the EU, even though with every new country that joins in the madness our vote share decreases in Europe. They also shout about renegotiation of the Treaty of Lisbon, which anyone who knows anything about the EU knows full well there will never be any significant changes made through negotiation and the EU have clearly stated this. If you want to see real change for the better in British politics then vote UKIP at every opportunity because that will force that much need change anything else is simply voting for more of the same nonsense that the majority are already fed up with. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 8

2:31pm Wed 2 Apr 14

John T says...

UKIP if you want to, the witch is not for turning....not even in her grave!
UKIP if you want to, the witch is not for turning....not even in her grave! John T
  • Score: 4

3:27pm Wed 2 Apr 14

speedy231278 says...

JackJohnson wrote:
PokesdownMark wrote:
UKIP worry me. They, Farage in particular, sound brilliant. The words he uses are emotive, stirring and appeal to certain base emotions. But he is always short of actual, confirmed facts and gives very little clue about how these ideas would actually manifest in policies. In fact many of their ideas would simply not work as actual policies where shades of grey must be cast in black and white.

Generally speaking... giving very charismatic, opinionated, idiological men political power doesn't end well. As has been seen many times in the past.
Don't forget, there was a woman that came VERY close to being a dictator. Not that she was charismatic. Opinionated and Idiological - yes. Charismatic - no.
Usually referred to as a wife.....
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: UKIP worry me. They, Farage in particular, sound brilliant. The words he uses are emotive, stirring and appeal to certain base emotions. But he is always short of actual, confirmed facts and gives very little clue about how these ideas would actually manifest in policies. In fact many of their ideas would simply not work as actual policies where shades of grey must be cast in black and white. Generally speaking... giving very charismatic, opinionated, idiological men political power doesn't end well. As has been seen many times in the past.[/p][/quote]Don't forget, there was a woman that came VERY close to being a dictator. Not that she was charismatic. Opinionated and Idiological - yes. Charismatic - no.[/p][/quote]Usually referred to as a wife..... speedy231278
  • Score: 0

3:55pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Bob49 says...

is this the party who's leader referred tio his party#s 2010 election manifesto as barmy ..... yet did not say so at the time. Or rants about how awful the EU is with so many on the gravy train.. yet happily suffs £2m in his back pocket ........... from the EU.

But never mind, just as with Boris Johnson the British public are easily fooled by a chancer on the make. Tell them what they want to hear, dress up in suitable clothes and you've got it made .............. Jeffrey Archer got away with it for years.

Sadly any concerns over immigration. lack of housing or the attacks on the health servoce will be lost amongst the fruit cakes and oddballs that have found another bit of fly paper to attach themselves to.

Genuine concerns need addressing seriously, not pandered to by someone who is no more than a Fast Show character.
is this the party who's leader referred tio his party#s 2010 election manifesto as barmy ..... yet did not say so at the time. Or rants about how awful the EU is with so many on the gravy train.. yet happily suffs £2m in his back pocket ........... from the EU. But never mind, just as with Boris Johnson the British public are easily fooled by a chancer on the make. Tell them what they want to hear, dress up in suitable clothes and you've got it made .............. Jeffrey Archer got away with it for years. Sadly any concerns over immigration. lack of housing or the attacks on the health servoce will be lost amongst the fruit cakes and oddballs that have found another bit of fly paper to attach themselves to. Genuine concerns need addressing seriously, not pandered to by someone who is no more than a Fast Show character. Bob49
  • Score: -32

4:20pm Wed 2 Apr 14

John T says...

The caption to the photograph is nearly as right as UKIP policies are!
The caption to the photograph is nearly as right as UKIP policies are! John T
  • Score: -17

6:30pm Wed 2 Apr 14

leotuttle says...

Poole Conservatives seem to be leaving their party quicker than a rat leaving a sinking ship. Next years local election looks very interesting with the demise of the Conservatives and the Liberals coupled with the rise of UKIP and Party of Poole People.
Poole Conservatives seem to be leaving their party quicker than a rat leaving a sinking ship. Next years local election looks very interesting with the demise of the Conservatives and the Liberals coupled with the rise of UKIP and Party of Poole People. leotuttle
  • Score: 3

6:56pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Gordon Cann says...

Politics at the national level and government level requires organised political parties so that the electorate can chose a Government
not a collection of individuals

The fundamental danger of UKIP is that it ignores the lessons of the part 100 years ; there have been no major wars in Europe and that is not unconnected with the principles underlining the concept of the European Union.

Better to be voice in Europe than shouting across the Channel .
Politics at the national level and government level requires organised political parties so that the electorate can chose a Government not a collection of individuals The fundamental danger of UKIP is that it ignores the lessons of the part 100 years ; there have been no major wars in Europe and that is not unconnected with the principles underlining the concept of the European Union. Better to be voice in Europe than shouting across the Channel . Gordon Cann
  • Score: -7

7:19pm Wed 2 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

Gordon Cann wrote:
Politics at the national level and government level requires organised political parties so that the electorate can chose a Government
not a collection of individuals

The fundamental danger of UKIP is that it ignores the lessons of the part 100 years ; there have been no major wars in Europe and that is not unconnected with the principles underlining the concept of the European Union.

Better to be voice in Europe than shouting across the Channel .
/sarcasm=on/ Yep we should play in Europe. It's all fun and games (until somebody loses an eye)./sarcasm=off/

It's inevitable that sooner or later the EU will do, or impose, something we can not tolerate under any circumstances. Some woud say it's happened already. There is no escaping that what was once intended to be a Common Market has long since suffered from function creep and is now heading towards a United States of Europe. A United States of Europe will be little better than a Third Reich.
[quote][p][bold]Gordon Cann[/bold] wrote: Politics at the national level and government level requires organised political parties so that the electorate can chose a Government not a collection of individuals The fundamental danger of UKIP is that it ignores the lessons of the part 100 years ; there have been no major wars in Europe and that is not unconnected with the principles underlining the concept of the European Union. Better to be voice in Europe than shouting across the Channel .[/p][/quote]/sarcasm=on/ Yep we should play in Europe. It's all fun and games (until somebody loses an eye)./sarcasm=off/ It's inevitable that sooner or later the EU will do, or impose, something we can not tolerate under any circumstances. Some woud say it's happened already. There is no escaping that what was once intended to be a Common Market has long since suffered from function creep and is now heading towards a United States of Europe. A United States of Europe will be little better than a Third Reich. JackJohnson
  • Score: 9

7:24pm Wed 2 Apr 14

ShuttleX says...

Going by the comments and the thumb down score, I would say UKIP has a very good chance next year if the field enough candidates in the wards. I know I would have voted for them last time, but they never gave us the choice in my ward. Hopefully next year will be different. I did a straw poll at work today, and about 40 % said UKIP, 42 % Conservative 11% Labour and the others were various parties (including the Monster Raving Loony Party!!) I know people change their minds on the day, but that works both ways. So if UKIP are serious about being in power, they really need to up their game next year.
Going by the comments and the thumb down score, I would say UKIP has a very good chance next year if the field enough candidates in the wards. I know I would have voted for them last time, but they never gave us the choice in my ward. Hopefully next year will be different. I did a straw poll at work today, and about 40 % said UKIP, 42 % Conservative 11% Labour and the others were various parties (including the Monster Raving Loony Party!!) I know people change their minds on the day, but that works both ways. So if UKIP are serious about being in power, they really need to up their game next year. ShuttleX
  • Score: 0

12:31am Thu 3 Apr 14

AdelaidePete says...

There should be a plebiscite to see if England should break away from Scotland :-)
There should be a plebiscite to see if England should break away from Scotland :-) AdelaidePete
  • Score: 0

2:06am Thu 3 Apr 14

Bob49 says...

ShuttleX wrote:
Going by the comments and the thumb down score, I would say UKIP has a very good chance next year if the field enough candidates in the wards. I know I would have voted for them last time, but they never gave us the choice in my ward. Hopefully next year will be different. I did a straw poll at work today, and about 40 % said UKIP, 42 % Conservative 11% Labour and the others were various parties (including the Monster Raving Loony Party!!) I know people change their minds on the day, but that works both ways. So if UKIP are serious about being in power, they really need to up their game next year.
Or the same sad crank posting 'thumbs down' repeatedly, it's not too difficult when you know how.

But scratch thin veneer and you see yet another shyster on the make. One who recently dismissed his party's 2010 manifesto as absolute drivel .... conveniently avoiding to mention that he wrote the forward to it. A manifesto that wanted to cut taxes for the rich and give MP's more control over their expenses ! Yep, certainly listening to the people, well a certain group anyway.

But then this is the current world of British politics where shysters such as Farage and Boris Johnson are portrayed as principled politicians and the absurdity that is Russell Brand is regarded as having something worthy of listening to ... rather than the incoherent posturing that it really is.

I don't doubt that Farage provides a rallying point for all the fruitcakes and nutters who have their own pet idiocies along with the Daily Mailers who still can't understand why the world is a bit more complex than a Janet and John book, will continue to flock to.

But UKIP is no more than a symptom of the failings of the mainstream politicians than ever it is an answer. Burying your head in the sand under a heap of lunatic ideas may help you hide from the worrying reality of much of what goes on at Westminster, but it is still hiding.

Folk need to engage, challenge and hold those in office more accountable, not offer up nonsense such as proper dress in theatres, uniforms for taxoi drivers and a black hole of £120billion where Fargae admits he has no idea where that money would come from. we have been here before with the Libdems where promises were made as they ddi not expect to get elected.

We should deserve (and need) better, but on current levels we have folk trusting a party with less integrity than the LibDems. Still, if Countdown becomes mandatory viewing and the farthing is re-introduceed will it be a bad thing ?
[quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: Going by the comments and the thumb down score, I would say UKIP has a very good chance next year if the field enough candidates in the wards. I know I would have voted for them last time, but they never gave us the choice in my ward. Hopefully next year will be different. I did a straw poll at work today, and about 40 % said UKIP, 42 % Conservative 11% Labour and the others were various parties (including the Monster Raving Loony Party!!) I know people change their minds on the day, but that works both ways. So if UKIP are serious about being in power, they really need to up their game next year.[/p][/quote]Or the same sad crank posting 'thumbs down' repeatedly, it's not too difficult when you know how. But scratch thin veneer and you see yet another shyster on the make. One who recently dismissed his party's 2010 manifesto as absolute drivel .... conveniently avoiding to mention that he wrote the forward to it. A manifesto that wanted to cut taxes for the rich and give MP's more control over their expenses ! Yep, certainly listening to the people, well a certain group anyway. But then this is the current world of British politics where shysters such as Farage and Boris Johnson are portrayed as principled politicians and the absurdity that is Russell Brand is regarded as having something worthy of listening to ... rather than the incoherent posturing that it really is. I don't doubt that Farage provides a rallying point for all the fruitcakes and nutters who have their own pet idiocies along with the Daily Mailers who still can't understand why the world is a bit more complex than a Janet and John book, will continue to flock to. But UKIP is no more than a symptom of the failings of the mainstream politicians than ever it is an answer. Burying your head in the sand under a heap of lunatic ideas may help you hide from the worrying reality of much of what goes on at Westminster, but it is still hiding. Folk need to engage, challenge and hold those in office more accountable, not offer up nonsense such as proper dress in theatres, uniforms for taxoi drivers and a black hole of £120billion where Fargae admits he has no idea where that money would come from. we have been here before with the Libdems where promises were made as they ddi not expect to get elected. We should deserve (and need) better, but on current levels we have folk trusting a party with less integrity than the LibDems. Still, if Countdown becomes mandatory viewing and the farthing is re-introduceed will it be a bad thing ? Bob49
  • Score: -20

9:33am Thu 3 Apr 14

Gordon Cann says...

-and all this in a week when the Inter Governmental Panel on Change produced a damning report on the future of our planet as global warming increases- make Nero sound like a model citizen!
-and all this in a week when the Inter Governmental Panel on Change produced a damning report on the future of our planet as global warming increases- make Nero sound like a model citizen! Gordon Cann
  • Score: -4

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