Noisy Bournemouth University students who breached abatement notice prosecuted

Bournemouth Echo: CLAMPDOWN: Winton CLAMPDOWN: Winton

THREE ‘selfish and inconsiderate’ university students have been prosecuted for breaching a noise abatement notice.

Bournemouth University students Jamie Chegwin, Tom Giles and James Kirk, of Alma Road, were formally warned about their noisy behaviour last September.

And at Bournemouth Magistrates’ Court on February 5, they admitted breaching this abatement notice late in the evening of October 18, 2013.

All three were given a conditional discharge of 12 months and ordered to pay costs totalling £150.

Winton East councillor Pat Oakley has now warned the council will crack down on other cases of persistent anti-social behaviour, from students or other residents.

He said: “My first reaction is that I am very, very glad that we have been able to put an end to the selfish and inconsiderate behaviour of these students. It is great to know that Winton’s very own enforcement officer, Matt King, has had the full backing from our Town Hall to take these people to court and, hopefully, put an end to the long suffering of their neighbours.

“I am however saddened that three young people have had to be dealt with by the courts to bring an end to their unacceptable behaviour.” He said recent initiatives like the student community warden scheme were working well in Winton and ward councillors were in discussions with the universities about funding additional street cleaning.

“Winton is a zero tolerance zone for anti social behaviour,” he added.

“The vast majority of students who live in Winton are considerate and respectful members of the community. To the few who are not the message is clear, behave or there will be consequences.”

Matt King, the council’s community enforcement team manager, said: “Any people moving into an area with working residents and families must take responsibility for their behaviour and must realise that noise disturbance from music, shouting and other anti-social behaviour can really damage lives.”

Ian Jones, head of regional and community partnerships, Bournemouth University said: “Bournemouth University has been working hard with SUBU – our students' union – and Bournemouth council to make sure our students integrate into the local community.

"We want our students to know they are a valued part of Bournemouth and beyond, but with that comes the responsibility to behave in a respectful way.

“We have run several campaigns with SUBU to help inform our students about the impact of their behaviour on their neighbours and we are also investing in the Student Community Warden Scheme.”

 

Don't put up with noise

Bournemouth residents suffering noise disturbance should report the matter to Regulatory Services on 01202 451296 during office hours.

Alternatively, call 0800 0281870 – if the disturbance is occurring outside of office hours. Officers from Regulatory Services work up to five nights a week to respond to reports of noise disturbance and can often resolve the matter through engagement or enforcement at the time of a visit.

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8:40am Mon 31 Mar 14

bourne free says...

let off and £50 each , justice for there neighbors then ?
let off and £50 each , justice for there neighbors then ? bourne free
  • Score: 29

8:43am Mon 31 Mar 14

brungo says...

i understand that the landlord can be held responsible for anti social behaviour committed by tenants so maybe that would be worth pursuing as the council are extrememly reluctant to prosecute. even when they do, the punishment is so pathetic. sleep depravation can have serious concequences for some peoples health, let along the disruption to working people.
i understand that the landlord can be held responsible for anti social behaviour committed by tenants so maybe that would be worth pursuing as the council are extrememly reluctant to prosecute. even when they do, the punishment is so pathetic. sleep depravation can have serious concequences for some peoples health, let along the disruption to working people. brungo
  • Score: 39

9:14am Mon 31 Mar 14

BoscVegas says...

bourne free wrote:
let off and £50 each , justice for there neighbors then ?
I wouldn't say let off. The long term effect is they may have to declare this to potential employers when they finish university and that will look pretty pathetic. If the chose to 'forget' to disclose their misdemeanour it is likely potential employers will find out anyway as it is common practice to Google applicants. They have been incredibly stupid to let it get to the point where it has to go through the courts and I suspect they maybe on the wrong end of an awkward job interview for a few years.
[quote][p][bold]bourne free[/bold] wrote: let off and £50 each , justice for there neighbors then ?[/p][/quote]I wouldn't say let off. The long term effect is they may have to declare this to potential employers when they finish university and that will look pretty pathetic. If the chose to 'forget' to disclose their misdemeanour it is likely potential employers will find out anyway as it is common practice to Google applicants. They have been incredibly stupid to let it get to the point where it has to go through the courts and I suspect they maybe on the wrong end of an awkward job interview for a few years. BoscVegas
  • Score: 29

9:22am Mon 31 Mar 14

Lord Spring says...

From the middle pages to nearly breaking news in 7 weeks this was all in " In The Dock " in February
From the middle pages to nearly breaking news in 7 weeks this was all in " In The Dock " in February Lord Spring
  • Score: 6

9:28am Mon 31 Mar 14

Townee says...

I wonder how many others will be taken to court due to anti social behaviour, I suspect no more. It's very hard to get anyone to,push this as far as court, what is needed is take all who regularly cause this problem is to warn them then take them to court not just keep warning them. The student know what days the anti social team work at night so just move the party to a day when no one is working.
They should be expelled from the Uni if they get taken to court that would be a bigger punishment, it would stop their partying and mum and dad would then find out who their child behaves when away from home.
I wonder how many others will be taken to court due to anti social behaviour, I suspect no more. It's very hard to get anyone to,push this as far as court, what is needed is take all who regularly cause this problem is to warn them then take them to court not just keep warning them. The student know what days the anti social team work at night so just move the party to a day when no one is working. They should be expelled from the Uni if they get taken to court that would be a bigger punishment, it would stop their partying and mum and dad would then find out who their child behaves when away from home. Townee
  • Score: 14

9:52am Mon 31 Mar 14

goatty says...

Should have been chucked out of Uni. This would have sent a clear message out to other morons.
Should have been chucked out of Uni. This would have sent a clear message out to other morons. goatty
  • Score: 33

10:29am Mon 31 Mar 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

I drove through Winton high street recently. I have rarely seen so many ugly people in one area. I decided not to stop.
I drove through Winton high street recently. I have rarely seen so many ugly people in one area. I decided not to stop. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: 12

12:11pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Local Winton Resident says...

I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped
I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped Local Winton Resident
  • Score: -35

12:13pm Mon 31 Mar 14

royeveleigh says...

The university doesn't care. Their schemes are a sham. For two years myself and my neighbours suffered and the university did nothing. The landlords of the house claimed they knew nothing of the complaints and claimed it was the university who were responsible in failing to address the problem. One lady, who had a newborn, who lived next door to the students had glass bottles thrown at her home through the night and the police did nothing. She woke the next day to a lawn full of broken glass. . . . make an example of them and throw them out of uni
The university doesn't care. Their schemes are a sham. For two years myself and my neighbours suffered and the university did nothing. The landlords of the house claimed they knew nothing of the complaints and claimed it was the university who were responsible in failing to address the problem. One lady, who had a newborn, who lived next door to the students had glass bottles thrown at her home through the night and the police did nothing. She woke the next day to a lawn full of broken glass. . . . make an example of them and throw them out of uni royeveleigh
  • Score: 23

12:19pm Mon 31 Mar 14

baron hardup says...

Punishment if you can call it that was far to Lenient.Minimum should have been 250pounds each and loss of tenancy.If they can afford drink alcohol buy smartphones and tariffs they are not short of money.2nd offence double it and be expelled with photos published.
Punishment if you can call it that was far to Lenient.Minimum should have been 250pounds each and loss of tenancy.If they can afford drink alcohol buy smartphones and tariffs they are not short of money.2nd offence double it and be expelled with photos published. baron hardup
  • Score: 12

12:34pm Mon 31 Mar 14

arti273 says...

Local Winton Resident wrote:
I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped
I agree with much of your post regarding the benefits that the majority of students bring, however I do not believe there is anything wrong with publicising the names of these three students. It is quite normal for details of those convicted in court to have their names published and I don't see why that shouldn't be the case here. Even if there has been a miscarriage of justice as you imply, it is not up to the Echo to judge who should be afforded anonymity.

They had a noise abatement notice issued less than 6 weeks prior to the incident that prompted the court action. That notice will have clearly outlined the consequences of another breach and they should have worked through all the knock on consequences of a conviction. They are, after all, degree calibre individuals. Like a driver with 9 points on their licence they should have been treading very carefully or in this case treading very quietly.
[quote][p][bold]Local Winton Resident[/bold] wrote: I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped[/p][/quote]I agree with much of your post regarding the benefits that the majority of students bring, however I do not believe there is anything wrong with publicising the names of these three students. It is quite normal for details of those convicted in court to have their names published and I don't see why that shouldn't be the case here. Even if there has been a miscarriage of justice as you imply, it is not up to the Echo to judge who should be afforded anonymity. They had a noise abatement notice issued less than 6 weeks prior to the incident that prompted the court action. That notice will have clearly outlined the consequences of another breach and they should have worked through all the knock on consequences of a conviction. They are, after all, degree calibre individuals. Like a driver with 9 points on their licence they should have been treading very carefully or in this case treading very quietly. arti273
  • Score: 18

12:44pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Hessenford says...

£150 fine and a 12 month conditional discharge, that's a crackdown is it, no wonder these little darlings take no notice of courts these days.
£150 fine and a 12 month conditional discharge, that's a crackdown is it, no wonder these little darlings take no notice of courts these days. Hessenford
  • Score: 9

12:48pm Mon 31 Mar 14

TheDistrict says...

arti273 wrote:
Local Winton Resident wrote:
I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped
I agree with much of your post regarding the benefits that the majority of students bring, however I do not believe there is anything wrong with publicising the names of these three students. It is quite normal for details of those convicted in court to have their names published and I don't see why that shouldn't be the case here. Even if there has been a miscarriage of justice as you imply, it is not up to the Echo to judge who should be afforded anonymity.

They had a noise abatement notice issued less than 6 weeks prior to the incident that prompted the court action. That notice will have clearly outlined the consequences of another breach and they should have worked through all the knock on consequences of a conviction. They are, after all, degree calibre individuals. Like a driver with 9 points on their licence they should have been treading very carefully or in this case treading very quietly.
As already said in this column, their names appeared in the "In Court" listings back in February, as do all court appearances, at least those reported. Hopefully this will show other students that they can be convicted and be fined, etc. As I said on another forum, how will their Mummys and Daddys react. Another reason why bigger finds should be imposed.
[quote][p][bold]arti273[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Local Winton Resident[/bold] wrote: I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped[/p][/quote]I agree with much of your post regarding the benefits that the majority of students bring, however I do not believe there is anything wrong with publicising the names of these three students. It is quite normal for details of those convicted in court to have their names published and I don't see why that shouldn't be the case here. Even if there has been a miscarriage of justice as you imply, it is not up to the Echo to judge who should be afforded anonymity. They had a noise abatement notice issued less than 6 weeks prior to the incident that prompted the court action. That notice will have clearly outlined the consequences of another breach and they should have worked through all the knock on consequences of a conviction. They are, after all, degree calibre individuals. Like a driver with 9 points on their licence they should have been treading very carefully or in this case treading very quietly.[/p][/quote]As already said in this column, their names appeared in the "In Court" listings back in February, as do all court appearances, at least those reported. Hopefully this will show other students that they can be convicted and be fined, etc. As I said on another forum, how will their Mummys and Daddys react. Another reason why bigger finds should be imposed. TheDistrict
  • Score: 6

1:23pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Local Winton Resident says...

TheDistrict wrote:
arti273 wrote:
Local Winton Resident wrote:
I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped
I agree with much of your post regarding the benefits that the majority of students bring, however I do not believe there is anything wrong with publicising the names of these three students. It is quite normal for details of those convicted in court to have their names published and I don't see why that shouldn't be the case here. Even if there has been a miscarriage of justice as you imply, it is not up to the Echo to judge who should be afforded anonymity.

They had a noise abatement notice issued less than 6 weeks prior to the incident that prompted the court action. That notice will have clearly outlined the consequences of another breach and they should have worked through all the knock on consequences of a conviction. They are, after all, degree calibre individuals. Like a driver with 9 points on their licence they should have been treading very carefully or in this case treading very quietly.
As already said in this column, their names appeared in the "In Court" listings back in February, as do all court appearances, at least those reported. Hopefully this will show other students that they can be convicted and be fined, etc. As I said on another forum, how will their Mummys and Daddys react. Another reason why bigger finds should be imposed.
Your comment is noted and I think it is fair to say that many students all over the country behave selfishly and unfair to their neighbours. But how do you know that these particular students behaved as bad as the student you are stereotyping against. I know of students that were sold a poor accommodation with paper thin walls that could literally hear coughing next door from their neighbours. Therefore when they move in with a few of their friends tat the beginning of their tenancy, they are unaware of the implications of having music on in the next room as they are not told how bad the walls are by the landlord and the estate agents prior to moving in. How do you know the situation was not biased in the neighbours favour? They could have made the littlest amount of noise in the first few weeks of moving into to their new home and been handed a notice from one phone to the environmental health without any communication from the neighbour, and then once more the following three weeks later with AGAIN hardly any noise… I don’t expect them to be having a street parry or have 100’s of people over. Probably the same amount as of when someone has a celebration or kid’s party! (AGAIN treating students differently from non-students). If neighbours call environmental health without taking into consideration the consequences and implications that this could have upon these students’ lives and careers by not welcoming them when they move in like they would any other non-student neighbour, then the students are going in completely blind. Everyone commenting on this article are thinking generically of students and have probably had bad situation with them in the past, however when you have seen it from the other side its quite a different story on how the university does not support them and how little information and communication they are given from the their neighbours, thus are wrongly victimised. Students are also made out as children but these students have been labelled 21-23 year olds indicating that they are probably in their final year of study and probably have jobs at the same time! They are probably more hard working and independent that a lot of today’s society (being a former student myself, I worked 3 days a week in a high profile job and spent every day including weekend studying in the library in my final year – I couldn’t imagine doing that on top of trying to get a grad job afterwards and dealing with a case like this!). When they pleaded guilty to a £50 fine it was most likely to ensure that this case did not progress during their dissertation studies and more important stress to think about! It is fair to send this article but wrong to name and shame three students that which have not had even a chance to tell their side of the story and have so much on at the moment. They probably have been scared to have anyone friends over all year round because of it. Stop thinking purely for the neighbour, it’s the students that also do not have any say…
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arti273[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Local Winton Resident[/bold] wrote: I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped[/p][/quote]I agree with much of your post regarding the benefits that the majority of students bring, however I do not believe there is anything wrong with publicising the names of these three students. It is quite normal for details of those convicted in court to have their names published and I don't see why that shouldn't be the case here. Even if there has been a miscarriage of justice as you imply, it is not up to the Echo to judge who should be afforded anonymity. They had a noise abatement notice issued less than 6 weeks prior to the incident that prompted the court action. That notice will have clearly outlined the consequences of another breach and they should have worked through all the knock on consequences of a conviction. They are, after all, degree calibre individuals. Like a driver with 9 points on their licence they should have been treading very carefully or in this case treading very quietly.[/p][/quote]As already said in this column, their names appeared in the "In Court" listings back in February, as do all court appearances, at least those reported. Hopefully this will show other students that they can be convicted and be fined, etc. As I said on another forum, how will their Mummys and Daddys react. Another reason why bigger finds should be imposed.[/p][/quote]Your comment is noted and I think it is fair to say that many students all over the country behave selfishly and unfair to their neighbours. But how do you know that these particular students behaved as bad as the student you are stereotyping against. I know of students that were sold a poor accommodation with paper thin walls that could literally hear coughing next door from their neighbours. Therefore when they move in with a few of their friends tat the beginning of their tenancy, they are unaware of the implications of having music on in the next room as they are not told how bad the walls are by the landlord and the estate agents prior to moving in. How do you know the situation was not biased in the neighbours favour? They could have made the littlest amount of noise in the first few weeks of moving into to their new home and been handed a notice from one phone to the environmental health without any communication from the neighbour, and then once more the following three weeks later with AGAIN hardly any noise… I don’t expect them to be having a street parry or have 100’s of people over. Probably the same amount as of when someone has a celebration or kid’s party! (AGAIN treating students differently from non-students). If neighbours call environmental health without taking into consideration the consequences and implications that this could have upon these students’ lives and careers by not welcoming them when they move in like they would any other non-student neighbour, then the students are going in completely blind. Everyone commenting on this article are thinking generically of students and have probably had bad situation with them in the past, however when you have seen it from the other side its quite a different story on how the university does not support them and how little information and communication they are given from the their neighbours, thus are wrongly victimised. Students are also made out as children but these students have been labelled 21-23 year olds indicating that they are probably in their final year of study and probably have jobs at the same time! They are probably more hard working and independent that a lot of today’s society (being a former student myself, I worked 3 days a week in a high profile job and spent every day including weekend studying in the library in my final year – I couldn’t imagine doing that on top of trying to get a grad job afterwards and dealing with a case like this!). When they pleaded guilty to a £50 fine it was most likely to ensure that this case did not progress during their dissertation studies and more important stress to think about! It is fair to send this article but wrong to name and shame three students that which have not had even a chance to tell their side of the story and have so much on at the moment. They probably have been scared to have anyone friends over all year round because of it. Stop thinking purely for the neighbour, it’s the students that also do not have any say… Local Winton Resident
  • Score: -14

1:32pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Hessenford says...

Local Winton Resident wrote:
I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped
So their job prospects are now in jeopardy are they, well whose fault is that, they behave like yobs then they reap the rewards.
So the houses have thin walls, tough, then they should respect that fact and keep the noise down.
What they were doing is exactly what it says in the story, unacceptable behavior, they behave like animals, they get treated like animals.
[quote][p][bold]Local Winton Resident[/bold] wrote: I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped[/p][/quote]So their job prospects are now in jeopardy are they, well whose fault is that, they behave like yobs then they reap the rewards. So the houses have thin walls, tough, then they should respect that fact and keep the noise down. What they were doing is exactly what it says in the story, unacceptable behavior, they behave like animals, they get treated like animals. Hessenford
  • Score: 9

1:47pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Local Winton Resident says...

Hessenford wrote:
Local Winton Resident wrote:
I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped
So their job prospects are now in jeopardy are they, well whose fault is that, they behave like yobs then they reap the rewards.
So the houses have thin walls, tough, then they should respect that fact and keep the noise down.
What they were doing is exactly what it says in the story, unacceptable behavior, they behave like animals, they get treated like animals.
how do you know they behaved like yobs ?? You don't. They were given a small charge and a suspended sentence which basically means the magistrates at court thought the need to warn but had no reason to take things further... most likely because the case was small and had not substance. If they pleaded not guilty they probably would have been let off but would of have to keep responding to the case which is probably the last thing they needed in their busy lives! Fair enough if they weren't final years students but you obviously don't understand the pressure they face daily without this headline. I know of a few victims that had a similar case that didn't do anything different to a normal household and were served a notice because the neighbour literally heard music and picked up the phone straight away, does this mean are they animals too? People are quick to judge and actually know nothing..
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Local Winton Resident[/bold] wrote: I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped[/p][/quote]So their job prospects are now in jeopardy are they, well whose fault is that, they behave like yobs then they reap the rewards. So the houses have thin walls, tough, then they should respect that fact and keep the noise down. What they were doing is exactly what it says in the story, unacceptable behavior, they behave like animals, they get treated like animals.[/p][/quote]how do you know they behaved like yobs ?? You don't. They were given a small charge and a suspended sentence which basically means the magistrates at court thought the need to warn but had no reason to take things further... most likely because the case was small and had not substance. If they pleaded not guilty they probably would have been let off but would of have to keep responding to the case which is probably the last thing they needed in their busy lives! Fair enough if they weren't final years students but you obviously don't understand the pressure they face daily without this headline. I know of a few victims that had a similar case that didn't do anything different to a normal household and were served a notice because the neighbour literally heard music and picked up the phone straight away, does this mean are they animals too? People are quick to judge and actually know nothing.. Local Winton Resident
  • Score: -16

1:54pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Bob49 says...

Local Winton Resident wrote:
I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped
absolute nonsense ! They live in houses that would have folk living thereif it was not the students, and those people would be spending in the local economy.

The reality is that much of Bournemouth 'uni' is a joke where middle class kids go who cannot get in elsewhere.

The 'punishment ' is nonsense and sends out completely the wrong message ie you can continure as long as you like and when something is finally done it will amount to nothing. It will not impeach on their day to dap spending but will merely change the amount they are in debt by.
[quote][p][bold]Local Winton Resident[/bold] wrote: I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped[/p][/quote]absolute nonsense ! They live in houses that would have folk living thereif it was not the students, and those people would be spending in the local economy. The reality is that much of Bournemouth 'uni' is a joke where middle class kids go who cannot get in elsewhere. The 'punishment ' is nonsense and sends out completely the wrong message ie you can continure as long as you like and when something is finally done it will amount to nothing. It will not impeach on their day to dap spending but will merely change the amount they are in debt by. Bob49
  • Score: 2

2:20pm Mon 31 Mar 14

adspacebroker says...

The bottom line is that they had been warned!!! They were warned in such a way that it was made clear, if any further anti-social behaviour occurs then they may be prosecuted. These are 3 people with, you would imagine, a level of intelligence that allows them to study for a degree and therefore should reflect on there understanding of a noise abatement notice. Sadly, some schooling and parenting fails to include the fact that we all have to suffer the consequences of the impact of our actions on others whether good or bad. All 3 had a choice and they made their choice and now have to suffer the consequences of their actions on others.
The bottom line is that they had been warned!!! They were warned in such a way that it was made clear, if any further anti-social behaviour occurs then they may be prosecuted. These are 3 people with, you would imagine, a level of intelligence that allows them to study for a degree and therefore should reflect on there understanding of a noise abatement notice. Sadly, some schooling and parenting fails to include the fact that we all have to suffer the consequences of the impact of our actions on others whether good or bad. All 3 had a choice and they made their choice and now have to suffer the consequences of their actions on others. adspacebroker
  • Score: 11

2:48pm Mon 31 Mar 14

rdemeath says...

This form of thuggish behaviour needs to be nipped in the bud as quickly as possible. My life, and that of my neighbours, was made a living hell by noisy students who lived several doors away. The noise was deafening and went on for hours every evening.
I had to kick with the back of my shoe before the door was eventually answered, (I did not cause any damage). It took fifteen minutes before two very cocky and arrogant young men eventually answered and smugly informed me to "Get lost, there was nothing you can do about it".
Fortunately for me, they failed to see the police car parked just down the street. I spoke to the two officers seated inside, and when they entered the building peace was finally restored.
However, because the police were now involved - making it a police matter - the students removed their speakers from the window-cills.
This form of thuggish behaviour needs to be nipped in the bud as quickly as possible. My life, and that of my neighbours, was made a living hell by noisy students who lived several doors away. The noise was deafening and went on for hours every evening. I had to kick with the back of my shoe before the door was eventually answered, (I did not cause any damage). It took fifteen minutes before two very cocky and arrogant young men eventually answered and smugly informed me to "Get lost, there was nothing you can do about it". Fortunately for me, they failed to see the police car parked just down the street. I spoke to the two officers seated inside, and when they entered the building peace was finally restored. However, because the police were now involved - making it a police matter - the students removed their speakers from the window-cills. rdemeath
  • Score: 13

2:57pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Hessenford says...

Local Winton Resident wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
Local Winton Resident wrote:
I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped
So their job prospects are now in jeopardy are they, well whose fault is that, they behave like yobs then they reap the rewards.
So the houses have thin walls, tough, then they should respect that fact and keep the noise down.
What they were doing is exactly what it says in the story, unacceptable behavior, they behave like animals, they get treated like animals.
how do you know they behaved like yobs ?? You don't. They were given a small charge and a suspended sentence which basically means the magistrates at court thought the need to warn but had no reason to take things further... most likely because the case was small and had not substance. If they pleaded not guilty they probably would have been let off but would of have to keep responding to the case which is probably the last thing they needed in their busy lives! Fair enough if they weren't final years students but you obviously don't understand the pressure they face daily without this headline. I know of a few victims that had a similar case that didn't do anything different to a normal household and were served a notice because the neighbour literally heard music and picked up the phone straight away, does this mean are they animals too? People are quick to judge and actually know nothing..
And you obviously don't understand the pressure others are under when simply trying to enjoy their property without the intrusion of these imbeciles next door.
[quote][p][bold]Local Winton Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Local Winton Resident[/bold] wrote: I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped[/p][/quote]So their job prospects are now in jeopardy are they, well whose fault is that, they behave like yobs then they reap the rewards. So the houses have thin walls, tough, then they should respect that fact and keep the noise down. What they were doing is exactly what it says in the story, unacceptable behavior, they behave like animals, they get treated like animals.[/p][/quote]how do you know they behaved like yobs ?? You don't. They were given a small charge and a suspended sentence which basically means the magistrates at court thought the need to warn but had no reason to take things further... most likely because the case was small and had not substance. If they pleaded not guilty they probably would have been let off but would of have to keep responding to the case which is probably the last thing they needed in their busy lives! Fair enough if they weren't final years students but you obviously don't understand the pressure they face daily without this headline. I know of a few victims that had a similar case that didn't do anything different to a normal household and were served a notice because the neighbour literally heard music and picked up the phone straight away, does this mean are they animals too? People are quick to judge and actually know nothing..[/p][/quote]And you obviously don't understand the pressure others are under when simply trying to enjoy their property without the intrusion of these imbeciles next door. Hessenford
  • Score: 11

3:46pm Mon 31 Mar 14

brungo says...

'Local Winton Resident' clealy has a bias interest in the students...maybe one themselves? whatever the reply i won't believe a word i'm afraid.

we moved from talbot park in the late 90's due to students awful behaviour. seeing my wife crying one morning after yet another lost nights sleep made us realise it wasn't worth staying there.
'Local Winton Resident' clealy has a bias interest in the students...maybe one themselves? whatever the reply i won't believe a word i'm afraid. we moved from talbot park in the late 90's due to students awful behaviour. seeing my wife crying one morning after yet another lost nights sleep made us realise it wasn't worth staying there. brungo
  • Score: 8

3:56pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Hessenford says...

brungo wrote:
'Local Winton Resident' clealy has a bias interest in the students...maybe one themselves? whatever the reply i won't believe a word i'm afraid.

we moved from talbot park in the late 90's due to students awful behaviour. seeing my wife crying one morning after yet another lost nights sleep made us realise it wasn't worth staying there.
Looking at some of the thumbs down on this story I can only assume that there are a lot of students on here today or a lot of rental owners who only care about making money rather than the misery that these idiots cause.
[quote][p][bold]brungo[/bold] wrote: 'Local Winton Resident' clealy has a bias interest in the students...maybe one themselves? whatever the reply i won't believe a word i'm afraid. we moved from talbot park in the late 90's due to students awful behaviour. seeing my wife crying one morning after yet another lost nights sleep made us realise it wasn't worth staying there.[/p][/quote]Looking at some of the thumbs down on this story I can only assume that there are a lot of students on here today or a lot of rental owners who only care about making money rather than the misery that these idiots cause. Hessenford
  • Score: 8

5:25pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Talkingheadera says...

I am a landlord and have a property not far from the one in the article. My students have had 2 warnings from environmental health and so have I
I have explained that an asbo dies give me the chance of eviction within a month and that seemed to have done the trick. The trouble is if it goes to court and the time it would take there is always the chance the judge won't allow eviction and the time the court case comes around they will probably be at the end of their tenancy as most groups only stay a year. All I can so as a landlord is warn them of the consequences.
Personally I don't understand why they don't just party in town instead of in their houses.
Most seem to take no notice o no smoking policies in the house or similar. They don't have regard for neighbours at all
I am a landlord and have a property not far from the one in the article. My students have had 2 warnings from environmental health and so have I I have explained that an asbo dies give me the chance of eviction within a month and that seemed to have done the trick. The trouble is if it goes to court and the time it would take there is always the chance the judge won't allow eviction and the time the court case comes around they will probably be at the end of their tenancy as most groups only stay a year. All I can so as a landlord is warn them of the consequences. Personally I don't understand why they don't just party in town instead of in their houses. Most seem to take no notice o no smoking policies in the house or similar. They don't have regard for neighbours at all Talkingheadera
  • Score: 8

5:55pm Mon 31 Mar 14

ShuttleX says...

Local Winton Resident wrote:
I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped
You won't get many people agreeing with you. I too know quite a few Winton residents, and I believe you are very much in the minority. People are sick and tired of "talking" to some of these students. Not all I admit, but a quite enough to cause lots of problems. I for one and sick of hearing how much money the Uni brings to Bournemouth. I think it's about time students were made to pay Council Tax. They use the same services as the rest of us, so they should pay the same as the rest.
[quote][p][bold]Local Winton Resident[/bold] wrote: I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped[/p][/quote]You won't get many people agreeing with you. I too know quite a few Winton residents, and I believe you are very much in the minority. People are sick and tired of "talking" to some of these students. Not all I admit, but a quite enough to cause lots of problems. I for one and sick of hearing how much money the Uni brings to Bournemouth. I think it's about time students were made to pay Council Tax. They use the same services as the rest of us, so they should pay the same as the rest. ShuttleX
  • Score: 4

7:54pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Alantrom says...

Same the authorities were not so keen when my daughter was having problems with people in the same block of flats as her. It seemed at the time they ( the powers that are supposed to be) were frightened of the tenants who were causing the trouble. Sounds as if students are easier, perhaps less aggressive!, than know trouble makers!
Same the authorities were not so keen when my daughter was having problems with people in the same block of flats as her. It seemed at the time they ( the powers that are supposed to be) were frightened of the tenants who were causing the trouble. Sounds as if students are easier, perhaps less aggressive!, than know trouble makers! Alantrom
  • Score: 2

7:56pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Alantrom says...

Sorry about my previous post. First word should have been " Shame"
Sorry about my previous post. First word should have been " Shame" Alantrom
  • Score: 1

7:57pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Hobad1 says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
I drove through Winton high street recently. I have rarely seen so many ugly people in one area. I decided not to stop.
Obviously you are talking about the inside of your car.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: I drove through Winton high street recently. I have rarely seen so many ugly people in one area. I decided not to stop.[/p][/quote]Obviously you are talking about the inside of your car. Hobad1
  • Score: 7

8:02pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Old Colonial says...

Don't expect the University to do much.

The main consideration there is the status and salary of the vice-chancellor, and the building of more status linked facilities unrelated to actual education. Students=cash machines for those at the top with their noses firmly in the trough.
Don't expect the University to do much. The main consideration there is the status and salary of the vice-chancellor, and the building of more status linked facilities unrelated to actual education. Students=cash machines for those at the top with their noses firmly in the trough. Old Colonial
  • Score: 5

10:50pm Mon 31 Mar 14

rozmister says...

Local Winton Resident wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
arti273 wrote:
Local Winton Resident wrote:
I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped
I agree with much of your post regarding the benefits that the majority of students bring, however I do not believe there is anything wrong with publicising the names of these three students. It is quite normal for details of those convicted in court to have their names published and I don't see why that shouldn't be the case here. Even if there has been a miscarriage of justice as you imply, it is not up to the Echo to judge who should be afforded anonymity.

They had a noise abatement notice issued less than 6 weeks prior to the incident that prompted the court action. That notice will have clearly outlined the consequences of another breach and they should have worked through all the knock on consequences of a conviction. They are, after all, degree calibre individuals. Like a driver with 9 points on their licence they should have been treading very carefully or in this case treading very quietly.
As already said in this column, their names appeared in the "In Court" listings back in February, as do all court appearances, at least those reported. Hopefully this will show other students that they can be convicted and be fined, etc. As I said on another forum, how will their Mummys and Daddys react. Another reason why bigger finds should be imposed.
Your comment is noted and I think it is fair to say that many students all over the country behave selfishly and unfair to their neighbours. But how do you know that these particular students behaved as bad as the student you are stereotyping against. I know of students that were sold a poor accommodation with paper thin walls that could literally hear coughing next door from their neighbours. Therefore when they move in with a few of their friends tat the beginning of their tenancy, they are unaware of the implications of having music on in the next room as they are not told how bad the walls are by the landlord and the estate agents prior to moving in. How do you know the situation was not biased in the neighbours favour? They could have made the littlest amount of noise in the first few weeks of moving into to their new home and been handed a notice from one phone to the environmental health without any communication from the neighbour, and then once more the following three weeks later with AGAIN hardly any noise… I don’t expect them to be having a street parry or have 100’s of people over. Probably the same amount as of when someone has a celebration or kid’s party! (AGAIN treating students differently from non-students). If neighbours call environmental health without taking into consideration the consequences and implications that this could have upon these students’ lives and careers by not welcoming them when they move in like they would any other non-student neighbour, then the students are going in completely blind. Everyone commenting on this article are thinking generically of students and have probably had bad situation with them in the past, however when you have seen it from the other side its quite a different story on how the university does not support them and how little information and communication they are given from the their neighbours, thus are wrongly victimised. Students are also made out as children but these students have been labelled 21-23 year olds indicating that they are probably in their final year of study and probably have jobs at the same time! They are probably more hard working and independent that a lot of today’s society (being a former student myself, I worked 3 days a week in a high profile job and spent every day including weekend studying in the library in my final year – I couldn’t imagine doing that on top of trying to get a grad job afterwards and dealing with a case like this!). When they pleaded guilty to a £50 fine it was most likely to ensure that this case did not progress during their dissertation studies and more important stress to think about! It is fair to send this article but wrong to name and shame three students that which have not had even a chance to tell their side of the story and have so much on at the moment. They probably have been scared to have anyone friends over all year round because of it. Stop thinking purely for the neighbour, it’s the students that also do not have any say…
I graduated from BU two years ago and the majority of my peers were supported by their parents and weren't in steady part time employment. They also weren't always aware of others and could be inconsiderate neighbours!

I don't believe for a second this case would go to court without solid evidence that could be used in court rather than the word of a neighbour. Last year I had problems with noisy neighbours (ASBO family from hell not students) and we had to keep diaries just to get a warning served. Environmental health don't take action easily!!
[quote][p][bold]Local Winton Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arti273[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Local Winton Resident[/bold] wrote: I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped[/p][/quote]I agree with much of your post regarding the benefits that the majority of students bring, however I do not believe there is anything wrong with publicising the names of these three students. It is quite normal for details of those convicted in court to have their names published and I don't see why that shouldn't be the case here. Even if there has been a miscarriage of justice as you imply, it is not up to the Echo to judge who should be afforded anonymity. They had a noise abatement notice issued less than 6 weeks prior to the incident that prompted the court action. That notice will have clearly outlined the consequences of another breach and they should have worked through all the knock on consequences of a conviction. They are, after all, degree calibre individuals. Like a driver with 9 points on their licence they should have been treading very carefully or in this case treading very quietly.[/p][/quote]As already said in this column, their names appeared in the "In Court" listings back in February, as do all court appearances, at least those reported. Hopefully this will show other students that they can be convicted and be fined, etc. As I said on another forum, how will their Mummys and Daddys react. Another reason why bigger finds should be imposed.[/p][/quote]Your comment is noted and I think it is fair to say that many students all over the country behave selfishly and unfair to their neighbours. But how do you know that these particular students behaved as bad as the student you are stereotyping against. I know of students that were sold a poor accommodation with paper thin walls that could literally hear coughing next door from their neighbours. Therefore when they move in with a few of their friends tat the beginning of their tenancy, they are unaware of the implications of having music on in the next room as they are not told how bad the walls are by the landlord and the estate agents prior to moving in. How do you know the situation was not biased in the neighbours favour? They could have made the littlest amount of noise in the first few weeks of moving into to their new home and been handed a notice from one phone to the environmental health without any communication from the neighbour, and then once more the following three weeks later with AGAIN hardly any noise… I don’t expect them to be having a street parry or have 100’s of people over. Probably the same amount as of when someone has a celebration or kid’s party! (AGAIN treating students differently from non-students). If neighbours call environmental health without taking into consideration the consequences and implications that this could have upon these students’ lives and careers by not welcoming them when they move in like they would any other non-student neighbour, then the students are going in completely blind. Everyone commenting on this article are thinking generically of students and have probably had bad situation with them in the past, however when you have seen it from the other side its quite a different story on how the university does not support them and how little information and communication they are given from the their neighbours, thus are wrongly victimised. Students are also made out as children but these students have been labelled 21-23 year olds indicating that they are probably in their final year of study and probably have jobs at the same time! They are probably more hard working and independent that a lot of today’s society (being a former student myself, I worked 3 days a week in a high profile job and spent every day including weekend studying in the library in my final year – I couldn’t imagine doing that on top of trying to get a grad job afterwards and dealing with a case like this!). When they pleaded guilty to a £50 fine it was most likely to ensure that this case did not progress during their dissertation studies and more important stress to think about! It is fair to send this article but wrong to name and shame three students that which have not had even a chance to tell their side of the story and have so much on at the moment. They probably have been scared to have anyone friends over all year round because of it. Stop thinking purely for the neighbour, it’s the students that also do not have any say…[/p][/quote]I graduated from BU two years ago and the majority of my peers were supported by their parents and weren't in steady part time employment. They also weren't always aware of others and could be inconsiderate neighbours! I don't believe for a second this case would go to court without solid evidence that could be used in court rather than the word of a neighbour. Last year I had problems with noisy neighbours (ASBO family from hell not students) and we had to keep diaries just to get a warning served. Environmental health don't take action easily!! rozmister
  • Score: 8

11:19pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Yankee1 says...

I should have thought...........th
at a degree from this jumped up Poly..........is punishment enough..............
.........

Where exactly IS this 'university'? I can see no campus; no identity. Is is a website? A jumble of rented accommodation? A Dave Wells project?
I should have thought...........th at a degree from this jumped up Poly..........is punishment enough.............. ......... Where exactly IS this 'university'? I can see no campus; no identity. Is is a website? A jumble of rented accommodation? A Dave Wells project? Yankee1
  • Score: -8

11:20pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Yankee1 says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
I drove through Winton high street recently. I have rarely seen so many ugly people in one area. I decided not to stop.
That is Winton. Best past through.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: I drove through Winton high street recently. I have rarely seen so many ugly people in one area. I decided not to stop.[/p][/quote]That is Winton. Best past through. Yankee1
  • Score: -5

1:42am Tue 1 Apr 14

Dchadder says...

"Officers from Regulatory Services" of Bournemouth City Council on call-out during "five nights a week" to act as noise vigilanties? And of course this has NOTHING to do with April 1st?
"Officers from Regulatory Services" of Bournemouth City Council on call-out during "five nights a week" to act as noise vigilanties? And of course this has NOTHING to do with April 1st? Dchadder
  • Score: 0

12:37pm Tue 1 Apr 14

stevobath says...

Local Winton Resident wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
arti273 wrote:
Local Winton Resident wrote:
I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped
I agree with much of your post regarding the benefits that the majority of students bring, however I do not believe there is anything wrong with publicising the names of these three students. It is quite normal for details of those convicted in court to have their names published and I don't see why that shouldn't be the case here. Even if there has been a miscarriage of justice as you imply, it is not up to the Echo to judge who should be afforded anonymity.

They had a noise abatement notice issued less than 6 weeks prior to the incident that prompted the court action. That notice will have clearly outlined the consequences of another breach and they should have worked through all the knock on consequences of a conviction. They are, after all, degree calibre individuals. Like a driver with 9 points on their licence they should have been treading very carefully or in this case treading very quietly.
As already said in this column, their names appeared in the "In Court" listings back in February, as do all court appearances, at least those reported. Hopefully this will show other students that they can be convicted and be fined, etc. As I said on another forum, how will their Mummys and Daddys react. Another reason why bigger finds should be imposed.
Your comment is noted and I think it is fair to say that many students all over the country behave selfishly and unfair to their neighbours. But how do you know that these particular students behaved as bad as the student you are stereotyping against. I know of students that were sold a poor accommodation with paper thin walls that could literally hear coughing next door from their neighbours. Therefore when they move in with a few of their friends tat the beginning of their tenancy, they are unaware of the implications of having music on in the next room as they are not told how bad the walls are by the landlord and the estate agents prior to moving in. How do you know the situation was not biased in the neighbours favour? They could have made the littlest amount of noise in the first few weeks of moving into to their new home and been handed a notice from one phone to the environmental health without any communication from the neighbour, and then once more the following three weeks later with AGAIN hardly any noise… I don’t expect them to be having a street parry or have 100’s of people over. Probably the same amount as of when someone has a celebration or kid’s party! (AGAIN treating students differently from non-students). If neighbours call environmental health without taking into consideration the consequences and implications that this could have upon these students’ lives and careers by not welcoming them when they move in like they would any other non-student neighbour, then the students are going in completely blind. Everyone commenting on this article are thinking generically of students and have probably had bad situation with them in the past, however when you have seen it from the other side its quite a different story on how the university does not support them and how little information and communication they are given from the their neighbours, thus are wrongly victimised. Students are also made out as children but these students have been labelled 21-23 year olds indicating that they are probably in their final year of study and probably have jobs at the same time! They are probably more hard working and independent that a lot of today’s society (being a former student myself, I worked 3 days a week in a high profile job and spent every day including weekend studying in the library in my final year – I couldn’t imagine doing that on top of trying to get a grad job afterwards and dealing with a case like this!). When they pleaded guilty to a £50 fine it was most likely to ensure that this case did not progress during their dissertation studies and more important stress to think about! It is fair to send this article but wrong to name and shame three students that which have not had even a chance to tell their side of the story and have so much on at the moment. They probably have been scared to have anyone friends over all year round because of it. Stop thinking purely for the neighbour, it’s the students that also do not have any say…
So because they're students, they should be treated different?

To get a Niose Abatement Notice, they must've been making an awful lot of noise? To carry on & ignore it is stupidity.

I doubt that neighbours mind the odd noisy party or gathering but when it's day in day out or night, then it does start to have an effect.
Also noise levels are monitored by a DB machine. I had a serious problem with a neighbour who just wouldn't stop making noise at all hours. IE Very loud music at 4AM constantly.
A polite request for them to be reasonable was met with violence & abuse.
Even then I didn't press charges. As they persisted I had to get EHA involved. I was given a recording device & diary & also sound levels were taken by EHA at different times & from different areas of my home.

In the end the person involved was fined his stereo seized & eventually he was evicted. The person made my life & others a misery.

I'm tolerant of loud music & parties etc & I have a very loud stereo & crank it up. I do however use my 'loaf' & have respect for others. I wouldn't expect anyone to put up with my noise at all hours of the day/night though.
As you mention 'children'. Children often act without thought as to others feelings & are chastised sometimes to learn from a mistake.
In this case these students have just ignored a situation. Tough if they were fined.
As for having an effect on a job? It's not as if it was a murder conviction or dishonesty & tough. Maybe they'll learn not to be selfish in the future?
[quote][p][bold]Local Winton Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arti273[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Local Winton Resident[/bold] wrote: I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped[/p][/quote]I agree with much of your post regarding the benefits that the majority of students bring, however I do not believe there is anything wrong with publicising the names of these three students. It is quite normal for details of those convicted in court to have their names published and I don't see why that shouldn't be the case here. Even if there has been a miscarriage of justice as you imply, it is not up to the Echo to judge who should be afforded anonymity. They had a noise abatement notice issued less than 6 weeks prior to the incident that prompted the court action. That notice will have clearly outlined the consequences of another breach and they should have worked through all the knock on consequences of a conviction. They are, after all, degree calibre individuals. Like a driver with 9 points on their licence they should have been treading very carefully or in this case treading very quietly.[/p][/quote]As already said in this column, their names appeared in the "In Court" listings back in February, as do all court appearances, at least those reported. Hopefully this will show other students that they can be convicted and be fined, etc. As I said on another forum, how will their Mummys and Daddys react. Another reason why bigger finds should be imposed.[/p][/quote]Your comment is noted and I think it is fair to say that many students all over the country behave selfishly and unfair to their neighbours. But how do you know that these particular students behaved as bad as the student you are stereotyping against. I know of students that were sold a poor accommodation with paper thin walls that could literally hear coughing next door from their neighbours. Therefore when they move in with a few of their friends tat the beginning of their tenancy, they are unaware of the implications of having music on in the next room as they are not told how bad the walls are by the landlord and the estate agents prior to moving in. How do you know the situation was not biased in the neighbours favour? They could have made the littlest amount of noise in the first few weeks of moving into to their new home and been handed a notice from one phone to the environmental health without any communication from the neighbour, and then once more the following three weeks later with AGAIN hardly any noise… I don’t expect them to be having a street parry or have 100’s of people over. Probably the same amount as of when someone has a celebration or kid’s party! (AGAIN treating students differently from non-students). If neighbours call environmental health without taking into consideration the consequences and implications that this could have upon these students’ lives and careers by not welcoming them when they move in like they would any other non-student neighbour, then the students are going in completely blind. Everyone commenting on this article are thinking generically of students and have probably had bad situation with them in the past, however when you have seen it from the other side its quite a different story on how the university does not support them and how little information and communication they are given from the their neighbours, thus are wrongly victimised. Students are also made out as children but these students have been labelled 21-23 year olds indicating that they are probably in their final year of study and probably have jobs at the same time! They are probably more hard working and independent that a lot of today’s society (being a former student myself, I worked 3 days a week in a high profile job and spent every day including weekend studying in the library in my final year – I couldn’t imagine doing that on top of trying to get a grad job afterwards and dealing with a case like this!). When they pleaded guilty to a £50 fine it was most likely to ensure that this case did not progress during their dissertation studies and more important stress to think about! It is fair to send this article but wrong to name and shame three students that which have not had even a chance to tell their side of the story and have so much on at the moment. They probably have been scared to have anyone friends over all year round because of it. Stop thinking purely for the neighbour, it’s the students that also do not have any say…[/p][/quote]So because they're students, they should be treated different? To get a Niose Abatement Notice, they must've been making an awful lot of noise? To carry on & ignore it is stupidity. I doubt that neighbours mind the odd noisy party or gathering but when it's day in day out or night, then it does start to have an effect. Also noise levels are monitored by a DB machine. I had a serious problem with a neighbour who just wouldn't stop making noise at all hours. IE Very loud music at 4AM constantly. A polite request for them to be reasonable was met with violence & abuse. Even then I didn't press charges. As they persisted I had to get EHA involved. I was given a recording device & diary & also sound levels were taken by EHA at different times & from different areas of my home. In the end the person involved was fined his stereo seized & eventually he was evicted. The person made my life & others a misery. I'm tolerant of loud music & parties etc & I have a very loud stereo & crank it up. I do however use my 'loaf' & have respect for others. I wouldn't expect anyone to put up with my noise at all hours of the day/night though. As you mention 'children'. Children often act without thought as to others feelings & are chastised sometimes to learn from a mistake. In this case these students have just ignored a situation. Tough if they were fined. As for having an effect on a job? It's not as if it was a murder conviction or dishonesty & tough. Maybe they'll learn not to be selfish in the future? stevobath
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12:41pm Tue 1 Apr 14

stevobath says...

Yankee1 wrote:
I should have thought...........th

at a degree from this jumped up Poly..........is punishment enough..............

.........

Where exactly IS this 'university'? I can see no campus; no identity. Is is a website? A jumble of rented accommodation? A Dave Wells project?
Bournemouth Uni is far from a 'Jumped up Poly'

Certain courses are World renowned especially anything to do with Media.

It's a fine University & you do it a disservice when you belittle it.

Pathetic. & insulting.
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: I should have thought...........th at a degree from this jumped up Poly..........is punishment enough.............. ......... Where exactly IS this 'university'? I can see no campus; no identity. Is is a website? A jumble of rented accommodation? A Dave Wells project?[/p][/quote]Bournemouth Uni is far from a 'Jumped up Poly' Certain courses are World renowned especially anything to do with Media. It's a fine University & you do it a disservice when you belittle it. Pathetic. & insulting. stevobath
  • Score: 7

12:46pm Tue 1 Apr 14

stevobath says...

ShuttleX wrote:
Local Winton Resident wrote:
I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped
You won't get many people agreeing with you. I too know quite a few Winton residents, and I believe you are very much in the minority. People are sick and tired of "talking" to some of these students. Not all I admit, but a quite enough to cause lots of problems. I for one and sick of hearing how much money the Uni brings to Bournemouth. I think it's about time students were made to pay Council Tax. They use the same services as the rest of us, so they should pay the same as the rest.
While I agree with you about inconsiderate students, I'd be interested to know if you are of the generation that was lucky to have FREE UNI education?
[quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Local Winton Resident[/bold] wrote: I have been living in the Winton area for 15 years, I have many students which live around/next to me. I for one appreciate the vast amount of money they bring in to the local economy providing jobs, services & facilities which we would NOT have had without them being here! I personally feel its disgraceful that the names of these students have been posted online, their job prospects are now in jeopardy for having caused no more noise than any regular family would in the early evening. My house & many houses alike around Winton have very thin walls which probably didn't help the situation (This is no fault of the students) I found communicating with my student neighbours has proven to be beneficial to both parties, rather than take them to court the neighbour in this case should have done the same. Another case of students being WRONGLY stereotyped[/p][/quote]You won't get many people agreeing with you. I too know quite a few Winton residents, and I believe you are very much in the minority. People are sick and tired of "talking" to some of these students. Not all I admit, but a quite enough to cause lots of problems. I for one and sick of hearing how much money the Uni brings to Bournemouth. I think it's about time students were made to pay Council Tax. They use the same services as the rest of us, so they should pay the same as the rest.[/p][/quote]While I agree with you about inconsiderate students, I'd be interested to know if you are of the generation that was lucky to have FREE UNI education? stevobath
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