Discrimination over gay wedding plans

relationship: Robert Nowik, right and partner Kamil Suchonek

relationship: Robert Nowik, right and partner Kamil Suchonek

First published in News by

A GAY couple claim their wedding plans have been wrecked after being refused the use of a church hall for their reception.

Bournemouth council’s equality champion Cllr David Kelsey said he was “shocked” by the decision.

Robert Nowik, 29, and his 22-year-old fiancé Kamil Suchonek, have been in a relationship for three years and were delighted when the law allowing same-sex marriage was passed last year.

Their wedding will be held at Bournemouth town hall and after seeing an advertisement for the church hall complex at Sacred Heart, Richmond Hill, they booked it for their wedding after-party.

Robert, a devout Catholic who moved from Poland eight years ago, said he paid the £100 deposit in October and started making plans for catering and the party.

“We really liked it. We hired a private chef so it was perfect, as they said we could use the kitchen they provide there,” he added.

“Everything seemed to be fine until we went back to the church to check the arrangements. We received a phone call from the priest later that evening, who was not happy.

“He said that he knew it was a gay marriage and that we could not have our reception there.

“It was so rude. We were born like this.”

When making the booking, Robert, said the intention was always for the party to be a private event for friends and family, and as the wedding date was near his 30th birthday, it would be a joint celebration. “We were frightened to say we were gay,” he added.

The couple said the news has thrown their wedding plans into chaos and they are struggling to find a new venue.

Cllr Kelsey said the wrong decision had been made and that he wanted to support the couple and help them find an alternative venue.

He added: “I am shocked. Nobody should be discriminated against in this way.”

Reverend doctor Stephen Morgan, secretary to the diocese trust, said the couple had stated the hall would be used for a birthday party – and that they had misrepresented themselves. He added that he had written to them to say their deposit would be returned.

He said: “The intended use of the premises by Mr Nowik is not consistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church and therefore we are unable to let the premises for that purpose.”

New policy

Bournemouth town hall, where Robert and Kamil are having their ceremony, is holding its first gay weddings today.

It comes after the policy was announced by the coalition government following the 2010 general election.

The proposal caused heated debate, but was passed by Parliament in July last year.

The Bill features a “quadruple lock” to safeguard religious organisations from being forced to conduct same-sex marriage ceremonies.

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9:14am Sat 29 Mar 14

BIGTONE says...

He said: “The intended use of the premises by Mr Nowik is not consistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church and therefore we are unable to let the premises for that purpose.

That's a fair comment. You cannot have a conflict of interests on religious grounds. Remember the law is not the Church,the Church is the law.
He said: “The intended use of the premises by Mr Nowik is not consistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church and therefore we are unable to let the premises for that purpose. That's a fair comment. You cannot have a conflict of interests on religious grounds. Remember the law is not the Church,the Church is the law. BIGTONE
  • Score: 95

9:19am Sat 29 Mar 14

Squars says...

How come religionists can descriminate against gays and women, but it is illegal for the rest of us to do so?
How come religionists can descriminate against gays and women, but it is illegal for the rest of us to do so? Squars
  • Score: -29

9:22am Sat 29 Mar 14

Townee says...

Bigot discrimination in uk same sex marriage is legal so the church thinks it's above the law. If this is allowed we will have Muslims claiming their religion is also above our laws.
Bigot discrimination in uk same sex marriage is legal so the church thinks it's above the law. If this is allowed we will have Muslims claiming their religion is also above our laws. Townee
  • Score: -70

9:25am Sat 29 Mar 14

afcb-mark says...

They are perfectly entitled to do what they want and so is the church. It is their building and if they believe it goes against their beliefs and they were misled into believing it was for a birthday party they have every right to cancel the booking.
They are perfectly entitled to do what they want and so is the church. It is their building and if they believe it goes against their beliefs and they were misled into believing it was for a birthday party they have every right to cancel the booking. afcb-mark
  • Score: 179

9:29am Sat 29 Mar 14

Tomasz Debowski says...

Well I hope they will find a venue where they will be welcomed and they will feel happy and accepted during their Big Day! Knowing them for years I know they deserve it!
Well I hope they will find a venue where they will be welcomed and they will feel happy and accepted during their Big Day! Knowing them for years I know they deserve it! Tomasz Debowski
  • Score: -47

9:32am Sat 29 Mar 14

poolebabe says...

I understand that they want equality, and they should have that. Equality to be married and have the same marital rights as man and wife. What I don't understand is why on earth would they want to share any part of their special day, lining the pockets of an institution that doesn't accept their marriage? When I got married, I found it difficult to find a church that would marry us, because my husband had previous marriage. I could have looked round and found one that was willing, but why bother? The church has a dim view, stuff them!
I understand that they want equality, and they should have that. Equality to be married and have the same marital rights as man and wife. What I don't understand is why on earth would they want to share any part of their special day, lining the pockets of an institution that doesn't accept their marriage? When I got married, I found it difficult to find a church that would marry us, because my husband had previous marriage. I could have looked round and found one that was willing, but why bother? The church has a dim view, stuff them! poolebabe
  • Score: 11

9:46am Sat 29 Mar 14

Bournemouth85 says...

Sorry but why would anyone care about this?
Sorry but why would anyone care about this? Bournemouth85
  • Score: 51

9:57am Sat 29 Mar 14

Kiki1973 says...

Actually, Pope Francis' stance is quite the opposite on this one :

"If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" -- Interview aboard the Papal Plane after World Youth Day in Brazil.

Yes, the Catholic Church still has issues with gay marriage, but the marriage isn't taking place at the church, it's taking place at town hall. As the grooms are Catholic, they are simply hiring a hall in their own church, not getting married there, which, yes, is still against the beliefs of the church. The Councillor is right, the Church made a bad -- and discriminatory-- choice.
Actually, Pope Francis' stance is quite the opposite on this one : "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" -- Interview aboard the Papal Plane after World Youth Day in Brazil. Yes, the Catholic Church still has issues with gay marriage, but the marriage isn't taking place at the church, it's taking place at town hall. As the grooms are Catholic, they are simply hiring a hall in their own church, not getting married there, which, yes, is still against the beliefs of the church. The Councillor is right, the Church made a bad -- and discriminatory-- choice. Kiki1973
  • Score: -19

9:57am Sat 29 Mar 14

Pablo23 says...

afcb-mark wrote:
They are perfectly entitled to do what they want and so is the church. It is their building and if they believe it goes against their beliefs and they were misled into believing it was for a birthday party they have every right to cancel the booking.
If they are charging for use of a facility are they not effectively a business?

And I'm sure it is illegal for a business to discriminate is it not?
i.e. Gay people not allowed in a bed and breakfast, black people not allowed on buses etc.
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: They are perfectly entitled to do what they want and so is the church. It is their building and if they believe it goes against their beliefs and they were misled into believing it was for a birthday party they have every right to cancel the booking.[/p][/quote]If they are charging for use of a facility are they not effectively a business? And I'm sure it is illegal for a business to discriminate is it not? i.e. Gay people not allowed in a bed and breakfast, black people not allowed on buses etc. Pablo23
  • Score: -23

10:06am Sat 29 Mar 14

muscliffman says...

Why would a gay couple choose a Catholic Church venue to be included in their special event in the first place - unless it was intended to encourage this very predictable negative reaction?

We all now know how the Catholic Church has historically dealt with sexual matters - especially at the most evil levels, which is doubtless why so many right minded people would not wish to set foot inside any premises associated with them.
Why would a gay couple choose a Catholic Church venue to be included in their special event in the first place - unless it was intended to encourage this very predictable negative reaction? We all now know how the Catholic Church has historically dealt with sexual matters - especially at the most evil levels, which is doubtless why so many right minded people would not wish to set foot inside any premises associated with them. muscliffman
  • Score: 52

10:21am Sat 29 Mar 14

PeachesRolls says...

I have many gay friends and this is not a comment about the rights and wrongs of gay marriage but I recently needed to find somewhere to hold my daughter's 18th birthday party. Some venues do not allow 18th parties and I accepted that and moved on to the next one.
Given that this couple clearly realised that if the venue knew the truth about why they wanted a party there (as one of them is a "devout" Catholic) and so lied about it, I don't think they have any comeback now the real reason for the party is out.
I have many gay friends and this is not a comment about the rights and wrongs of gay marriage but I recently needed to find somewhere to hold my daughter's 18th birthday party. Some venues do not allow 18th parties and I accepted that and moved on to the next one. Given that this couple clearly realised that if the venue knew the truth about why they wanted a party there (as one of them is a "devout" Catholic) and so lied about it, I don't think they have any comeback now the real reason for the party is out. PeachesRolls
  • Score: 91

10:28am Sat 29 Mar 14

bsjc1234 says...

Quite honestly is this really a news story? Just get over it,
Quite honestly is this really a news story? Just get over it, bsjc1234
  • Score: 43

10:29am Sat 29 Mar 14

BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth says...

Isn't it ironic that the predominantly homosexual Roman Catholic Church is discriminating against homosexuality. If they really are anti homosexual then maybe they ought to sort out their own house by firing the many thousands of homosexual clergy before dictating to others.

To Robert and Kamil, best of luck for the future and maybe you should consider whether you should follow such a worthless and outdated organisation as the RC Church.
Isn't it ironic that the predominantly homosexual Roman Catholic Church is discriminating against homosexuality. If they really are anti homosexual then maybe they ought to sort out their own house by firing the many thousands of homosexual clergy before dictating to others. To Robert and Kamil, best of luck for the future and maybe you should consider whether you should follow such a worthless and outdated organisation as the RC Church. BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth
  • Score: -15

10:44am Sat 29 Mar 14

snowwy says...

" Why would they be frightened to say they were GAY"
" Why would they be frightened to say they were GAY" snowwy
  • Score: 25

10:45am Sat 29 Mar 14

BournemouthMum says...

Not expressing my private views on gay marriage, but all I will say is this: if a heteresexual couple had lied to the church about what the hall would be used for and consequently had their booking revoked when their true intentions were discovered would the story have been headline news in the Echo?

Whether the catholic church is right or wrong on its views about gay marriage is subjective, but tolerance works both ways. People have to accept that just because they themselves feel that something is right doesn't mean everyone else has to share their views.
Not expressing my private views on gay marriage, but all I will say is this: if a heteresexual couple had lied to the church about what the hall would be used for and consequently had their booking revoked when their true intentions were discovered would the story have been headline news in the Echo? Whether the catholic church is right or wrong on its views about gay marriage is subjective, but tolerance works both ways. People have to accept that just because they themselves feel that something is right doesn't mean everyone else has to share their views. BournemouthMum
  • Score: 87

10:47am Sat 29 Mar 14

snowwy says...

Sorry you messed up thereby not being honest, serves you right
Sorry you messed up thereby not being honest, serves you right snowwy
  • Score: 65

11:00am Sat 29 Mar 14

muscliffman says...

BigAlfromsunnyBourne
mouth
wrote:
Isn't it ironic that the predominantly homosexual Roman Catholic Church is discriminating against homosexuality. If they really are anti homosexual then maybe they ought to sort out their own house by firing the many thousands of homosexual clergy before dictating to others.

To Robert and Kamil, best of luck for the future and maybe you should consider whether you should follow such a worthless and outdated organisation as the RC Church.
You do have to step well outside the Catholic Church doors to really appreciate the full irony and fairly dark humour in this entire situation.

In principle this old religious institution is having a big problem with the marriage of any two loving decent people - who just happen to be the same sex, and yet when they marry an approved opposite sex couple the Church official conducting the ceremony is a grown man dressed in a colourful feminine frock.....
[quote][p][bold]BigAlfromsunnyBourne mouth[/bold] wrote: Isn't it ironic that the predominantly homosexual Roman Catholic Church is discriminating against homosexuality. If they really are anti homosexual then maybe they ought to sort out their own house by firing the many thousands of homosexual clergy before dictating to others. To Robert and Kamil, best of luck for the future and maybe you should consider whether you should follow such a worthless and outdated organisation as the RC Church.[/p][/quote]You do have to step well outside the Catholic Church doors to really appreciate the full irony and fairly dark humour in this entire situation. In principle this old religious institution is having a big problem with the marriage of any two loving decent people - who just happen to be the same sex, and yet when they marry an approved opposite sex couple the Church official conducting the ceremony is a grown man dressed in a colourful feminine frock..... muscliffman
  • Score: 0

11:01am Sat 29 Mar 14

Bohochic72 says...

Funny how if they disagree with you, you're wrong, but if you disagree with them, you're a bigot.
Funny how if they disagree with you, you're wrong, but if you disagree with them, you're a bigot. Bohochic72
  • Score: 49

11:06am Sat 29 Mar 14

BournemouthMum says...

Bohochic72 wrote:
Funny how if they disagree with you, you're wrong, but if you disagree with them, you're a bigot.
Exactly!
[quote][p][bold]Bohochic72[/bold] wrote: Funny how if they disagree with you, you're wrong, but if you disagree with them, you're a bigot.[/p][/quote]Exactly! BournemouthMum
  • Score: 29

11:28am Sat 29 Mar 14

High Treason says...

Yawn....
Yawn.... High Treason
  • Score: 12

11:38am Sat 29 Mar 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

The Church have not wrecked their wedding plans, their lying about what the hall was being booked for has done that and the only ones to blame for that are themselves. Why were the frightened to say they were gay, because they knew they would get refused, so they chose to lie instead and have been found out.
The Church have not wrecked their wedding plans, their lying about what the hall was being booked for has done that and the only ones to blame for that are themselves. Why were the frightened to say they were gay, because they knew they would get refused, so they chose to lie instead and have been found out. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 73

11:56am Sat 29 Mar 14

isthereanechoinhere says...

Maybe there are some blurred lines here as these people are probably not aware of the British legal system.
Maybe there are some blurred lines here as these people are probably not aware of the British legal system. isthereanechoinhere
  • Score: -26

11:59am Sat 29 Mar 14

zoebs36 says...

Wow wonderful comments everyone.... not. Discrimination, alive and kicking in Bournemouth.
Wow wonderful comments everyone.... not. Discrimination, alive and kicking in Bournemouth. zoebs36
  • Score: -38

12:11pm Sat 29 Mar 14

BmthNewshound says...

Officials at the Sacred Heart are wrong to discriminate but doesn't the fact that they were frightened to say they were gay when they made the booking suggest that they knew that the church would not be welcoming to a gay couple celebrating their marriage.
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To Robert and Kamil - Don't let this spoil your special day. There are plenty of other places you can hold your reception
Officials at the Sacred Heart are wrong to discriminate but doesn't the fact that they were frightened to say they were gay when they made the booking suggest that they knew that the church would not be welcoming to a gay couple celebrating their marriage. . To Robert and Kamil - Don't let this spoil your special day. There are plenty of other places you can hold your reception BmthNewshound
  • Score: -8

12:16pm Sat 29 Mar 14

royeveleigh says...

The Catholic Church is FUBAR. I wish the couple all the happiness in the world. I am sure there is a better and far more welcoming establishment else where.
The Catholic Church is FUBAR. I wish the couple all the happiness in the world. I am sure there is a better and far more welcoming establishment else where. royeveleigh
  • Score: -8

12:29pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Bob Bournemouth says...

I think EVERYONE has the right to allow people to use their premises according to their beliefs - whether a church hall or a B & B.
I think EVERYONE has the right to allow people to use their premises according to their beliefs - whether a church hall or a B & B. Bob Bournemouth
  • Score: 42

12:43pm Sat 29 Mar 14

breamoreboy says...

snowwy wrote:
" Why would they be frightened to say they were GAY"
Homophobia?
[quote][p][bold]snowwy[/bold] wrote: " Why would they be frightened to say they were GAY"[/p][/quote]Homophobia? breamoreboy
  • Score: -7

12:54pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Bob49 says...

So one is a 'devout catholic', so devout that he was not aware of that churches views on homosexuality !

If folk wish to involve themselves in illogical mumbo jumbo then they should not complain whe it comes back to bite them on the ar se.

A couple of whinging hypocrites.
So one is a 'devout catholic', so devout that he was not aware of that churches views on homosexuality ! If folk wish to involve themselves in illogical mumbo jumbo then they should not complain whe it comes back to bite them on the ar se. A couple of whinging hypocrites. Bob49
  • Score: 28

1:47pm Sat 29 Mar 14

JackJohnson says...

People can do whatever they want, and live however they want, as long as they harm no-one else, but when it comes to doing something I strongly disagree with on MY property I reserve the right to exclude them.

I personally don't approve of any religion, least of all Catholicism, but I would fight for their right to hold their own beliefs. If they allow something that goes against their beliefs on their premises they will set a precedent and will be unable to defend themselves later.
People can do whatever they want, and live however they want, as long as they harm no-one else, but when it comes to doing something I strongly disagree with on MY property I reserve the right to exclude them. I personally don't approve of any religion, least of all Catholicism, but I would fight for their right to hold their own beliefs. If they allow something that goes against their beliefs on their premises they will set a precedent and will be unable to defend themselves later. JackJohnson
  • Score: 33

2:55pm Sat 29 Mar 14

zigzags says...

I am not religious, pro gay or anti gay but why do they expect everyone to respect their beliefs and yet dismiss the views of the catholic church?
I am not religious, pro gay or anti gay but why do they expect everyone to respect their beliefs and yet dismiss the views of the catholic church? zigzags
  • Score: 45

3:06pm Sat 29 Mar 14

casual_observer says...

Religion.
Thousands of men in the world who hate each other and the church turns a blind eye.
When just two men want to express their love for each other, the church gets it's knickers in a twist.
Religion. Utter disgusting hypocrisy.
Religion. Thousands of men in the world who hate each other and the church turns a blind eye. When just two men want to express their love for each other, the church gets it's knickers in a twist. Religion. Utter disgusting hypocrisy. casual_observer
  • Score: 1

3:18pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Bob49 says...

zigzags wrote:
I am not religious, pro gay or anti gay but why do they expect everyone to respect their beliefs and yet dismiss the views of the catholic church?
I not too such if being homosexual is a 'belief'
[quote][p][bold]zigzags[/bold] wrote: I am not religious, pro gay or anti gay but why do they expect everyone to respect their beliefs and yet dismiss the views of the catholic church?[/p][/quote]I not too such if being homosexual is a 'belief' Bob49
  • Score: 5

3:48pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Adrian XX says...

I just don't get how a "devout catholic" can enter into a gay relationship. Either you are a devout catholic or you practice gay sex - you cannot do both. (Please note that I am not catholic myself).
I just don't get how a "devout catholic" can enter into a gay relationship. Either you are a devout catholic or you practice gay sex - you cannot do both. (Please note that I am not catholic myself). Adrian XX
  • Score: 34

4:03pm Sat 29 Mar 14

fireflier says...

Gay...marriage!!! Yep I can be called homophobic if you wish.....but these two words don't go together for me.

Give them the same legal rights as every other couple
...but Marriage.....NO WAY!

Read the description of the purpose of marriage as recognised by Christian faiths and nowhere does it cme near to same sex relationships fitting that description.
Gay...marriage!!! Yep I can be called homophobic if you wish.....but these two words don't go together for me. Give them the same legal rights as every other couple ...but Marriage.....NO WAY! Read the description of the purpose of marriage as recognised by Christian faiths and nowhere does it cme near to same sex relationships fitting that description. fireflier
  • Score: 20

4:31pm Sat 29 Mar 14

bmthgirl64 says...

Is there such a thing as Heterophobia? I agree with the earlier comment suggesting that if you disagree with the views of a gay person you are a bigoted homophobe... If a gay person disagree with the views of a heterosexual person they are sticking up for their rights. What happened to Heterosexual rights.? We hear enough about gay rights which are regularly promoted ...and No, gay people are not persecuted in this country.. quite the opposite.
Is there such a thing as Heterophobia? I agree with the earlier comment suggesting that if you disagree with the views of a gay person you are a bigoted homophobe... If a gay person disagree with the views of a heterosexual person they are sticking up for their rights. What happened to Heterosexual rights.? We hear enough about gay rights which are regularly promoted ...and No, gay people are not persecuted in this country.. quite the opposite. bmthgirl64
  • Score: 31

4:41pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Mindvor says...

I'm feeling trolly (and arguably off-topic-ish):

Gullibility: the belief in something with no substantiating facts to support that something.
Credulous: willing to believe or trust too readily, especially without proper or adequate evidence.
Sound familiar? Flame away :)
I'm feeling trolly (and arguably off-topic-ish): Gullibility: the belief in something with no substantiating facts to support that something. Credulous: willing to believe or trust too readily, especially without proper or adequate evidence. Sound familiar? Flame away :) Mindvor
  • Score: -12

4:44pm Sat 29 Mar 14

MrPitiful says...

Why don't they just ask one of the other gay couples who are now getting married at the Town Hall where they are having their reception?

Then go along, book it (This time under the correct booking reason i.e. same sex wedding ) and then job done, they can go ahead and have their shindig.

The lesson they will hopefully then learn is to be truthful as to who/what they are and be truthful with others.

Blimey, it ain't rocket science.
Why don't they just ask one of the other gay couples who are now getting married at the Town Hall where they are having their reception? Then go along, book it (This time under the correct booking reason i.e. same sex wedding ) and then job done, they can go ahead and have their shindig. The lesson they will hopefully then learn is to be truthful as to who/what they are and be truthful with others. Blimey, it ain't rocket science. MrPitiful
  • Score: 30

4:53pm Sat 29 Mar 14

breamoreboy says...

Adrian XX wrote:
I just don't get how a "devout catholic" can enter into a gay relationship. Either you are a devout catholic or you practice gay sex - you cannot do both. (Please note that I am not catholic myself).
So what do you make of their priests who abuse young boys and are then moved from one parish to another or get hidden in the Vatican, they do both. If this lot aren't the most hypocritical organisation in the world I'd like to know who is?
[quote][p][bold]Adrian XX[/bold] wrote: I just don't get how a "devout catholic" can enter into a gay relationship. Either you are a devout catholic or you practice gay sex - you cannot do both. (Please note that I am not catholic myself).[/p][/quote]So what do you make of their priests who abuse young boys and are then moved from one parish to another or get hidden in the Vatican, they do both. If this lot aren't the most hypocritical organisation in the world I'd like to know who is? breamoreboy
  • Score: 8

4:55pm Sat 29 Mar 14

breamoreboy says...

isthereanechoinhere wrote:
Maybe there are some blurred lines here as these people are probably not aware of the British legal system.
The law only applies to England and Wales, with the Scottish legal system being separate and in my opinion often superior to our own.
[quote][p][bold]isthereanechoinhere[/bold] wrote: Maybe there are some blurred lines here as these people are probably not aware of the British legal system.[/p][/quote]The law only applies to England and Wales, with the Scottish legal system being separate and in my opinion often superior to our own. breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

5:23pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Bob49 says...

you can hardly put your house in order if you are part of the synchronised idiocy any more than a slaughterr house can be made to run in the interests of the cattle

it is a vast money making scam that plays upon the deluded and so will have to retain that delusion to ensure the money continues to flow

those who bleat about these constant contradictions should perhaps take a wider view of what they are complaining about

as to try and seperate organised religion from deception is like asking the Krays to extort money by gentle persuasion
you can hardly put your house in order if you are part of the synchronised idiocy any more than a slaughterr house can be made to run in the interests of the cattle it is a vast money making scam that plays upon the deluded and so will have to retain that delusion to ensure the money continues to flow those who bleat about these constant contradictions should perhaps take a wider view of what they are complaining about as to try and seperate organised religion from deception is like asking the Krays to extort money by gentle persuasion Bob49
  • Score: -2

5:32pm Sat 29 Mar 14

power_ranger says...

Bless. The homophobic trolls are running out of places to troll!

Keep taptaptapping away my little keyboard wariors, vote down comments if it gives you a way to express your bigotry, but it won't change anything, and thankfully you're a dying breed who will be long gone and forgotten while these two chaps are celebrating their love for each other after a long and happy marriage in a world of equality where homophobia is no longer accepted, legally or morally by those of sound mind.

Unfortunately for you, that is how your kids and grand kids will remember you, embarrassing, out of touch, old fashioned and completely incapable of change even when society is slapping you around the face telling you to behave yourselves.

Lets see if you can thumb down this post all the way to -100 and beyond! Good luck, much love!
Bless. The homophobic trolls are running out of places to troll! Keep taptaptapping away my little keyboard wariors, vote down comments if it gives you a way to express your bigotry, but it won't change anything, and thankfully you're a dying breed who will be long gone and forgotten while these two chaps are celebrating their love for each other after a long and happy marriage in a world of equality where homophobia is no longer accepted, legally or morally by those of sound mind. Unfortunately for you, that is how your kids and grand kids will remember you, embarrassing, out of touch, old fashioned and completely incapable of change even when society is slapping you around the face telling you to behave yourselves. Lets see if you can thumb down this post all the way to -100 and beyond! Good luck, much love! power_ranger
  • Score: -19

5:42pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Bob49 says...

homophobia, eh ?

something that has been entrenched in the Catholic church for centuries

the same Catholic church that one of this chaps is a devout member of

can you not see the hypocricy in that ?
homophobia, eh ? something that has been entrenched in the Catholic church for centuries the same Catholic church that one of this chaps is a devout member of can you not see the hypocricy in that ? Bob49
  • Score: 10

5:44pm Sat 29 Mar 14

power_ranger says...

bmthgirl64 wrote:
Is there such a thing as Heterophobia? I agree with the earlier comment suggesting that if you disagree with the views of a gay person you are a bigoted homophobe... If a gay person disagree with the views of a heterosexual person they are sticking up for their rights. What happened to Heterosexual rights.? We hear enough about gay rights which are regularly promoted ...and No, gay people are not persecuted in this country.. quite the opposite.
No one has a right to discriminate against others, but I see what you did there. Disagreeing and discriminating are two definitions you need to brush up on. As long as posts like yours persist in peddling drivel, expect a bigger and better pride parade each year!
[quote][p][bold]bmthgirl64[/bold] wrote: Is there such a thing as Heterophobia? I agree with the earlier comment suggesting that if you disagree with the views of a gay person you are a bigoted homophobe... If a gay person disagree with the views of a heterosexual person they are sticking up for their rights. What happened to Heterosexual rights.? We hear enough about gay rights which are regularly promoted ...and No, gay people are not persecuted in this country.. quite the opposite.[/p][/quote]No one has a right to discriminate against others, but I see what you did there. Disagreeing and discriminating are two definitions you need to brush up on. As long as posts like yours persist in peddling drivel, expect a bigger and better pride parade each year! power_ranger
  • Score: -19

5:45pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Adrian XX says...

breamoreboy wrote:
Adrian XX wrote:
I just don't get how a "devout catholic" can enter into a gay relationship. Either you are a devout catholic or you practice gay sex - you cannot do both. (Please note that I am not catholic myself).
So what do you make of their priests who abuse young boys and are then moved from one parish to another or get hidden in the Vatican, they do both. If this lot aren't the most hypocritical organisation in the world I'd like to know who is?
The catholic priests who do this kind of thing clearly do not believe in catholic doctrine - quite likely they entered the priesthood simply because they knew they would have easy access to children and that they would get some degree of protection from the law.

That is very different to this couple who are claiming two things that are in contradiction - being devout catholics (i.e. they accept all aspects of catholic doctrine) and also publicly acknowledging they are gay. They are claiming two things which are mutually exclusive. The priests do not claim to be paedophiles and they are acutely aware that their behaviour is contrary to the teachings of their church.
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian XX[/bold] wrote: I just don't get how a "devout catholic" can enter into a gay relationship. Either you are a devout catholic or you practice gay sex - you cannot do both. (Please note that I am not catholic myself).[/p][/quote]So what do you make of their priests who abuse young boys and are then moved from one parish to another or get hidden in the Vatican, they do both. If this lot aren't the most hypocritical organisation in the world I'd like to know who is?[/p][/quote]The catholic priests who do this kind of thing clearly do not believe in catholic doctrine - quite likely they entered the priesthood simply because they knew they would have easy access to children and that they would get some degree of protection from the law. That is very different to this couple who are claiming two things that are in contradiction - being devout catholics (i.e. they accept all aspects of catholic doctrine) and also publicly acknowledging they are gay. They are claiming two things which are mutually exclusive. The priests do not claim to be paedophiles and they are acutely aware that their behaviour is contrary to the teachings of their church. Adrian XX
  • Score: 8

5:53pm Sat 29 Mar 14

glennzilla says...

What I find astonishing from reading these comments and from the number of thumbs down, is that 18 centuries since Constantine ordered bishops from the multitude of opposing Christian denominations to stop bickering (sometimes to the point of bloodshed) and form a unified set of beliefs at the Council of Nicea, respect and privilege is still being afforded to what amounts to be the hysterical teachings of medieval desert nomads. In this day and age is it really acceptable that beliefs, based on a book that has not only been mistranslated but moulded to fit certain doctrines by discarding some parables, are allowed to justify discrimination?
Whilst I accept that this couple were naive, this story would get a far different response if it was about a heterosexual black couple being refused to celebrate their union in a building owned by Combat 18 on the grounds of their beliefs. Bigotry is bigotry whether it's based on gender, race, disability or sexual preference.
What I find astonishing from reading these comments and from the number of thumbs down, is that 18 centuries since Constantine ordered bishops from the multitude of opposing Christian denominations to stop bickering (sometimes to the point of bloodshed) and form a unified set of beliefs at the Council of Nicea, respect and privilege is still being afforded to what amounts to be the hysterical teachings of medieval desert nomads. In this day and age is it really acceptable that beliefs, based on a book that has not only been mistranslated but moulded to fit certain doctrines by discarding some parables, are allowed to justify discrimination? Whilst I accept that this couple were naive, this story would get a far different response if it was about a heterosexual black couple being refused to celebrate their union in a building owned by Combat 18 on the grounds of their beliefs. Bigotry is bigotry whether it's based on gender, race, disability or sexual preference. glennzilla
  • Score: -2

6:07pm Sat 29 Mar 14

AnastasiaB says...

Should have told them at the start. Find another venue and get over it,
Should have told them at the start. Find another venue and get over it, AnastasiaB
  • Score: 25

6:10pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Bob49 says...

But why on earth would a black couple want to celebrate their wedding in such a building.

The Catholic church has very extreme views about homosexuality, yet one of these chaps is not only happy to be part of that church and supposedly those views, but professes to be a devout member !

As said before ... nothing but a whinging hypocrite who should now spend some time thinking about all thoie othesr the Catholic church have oppressed and murdered over the years rather than bleating to the media about how unfair an institition is that he has had no previous integrity to oppose.

Read the words of Pastor Neimuller, Mr Suchonek
But why on earth would a black couple want to celebrate their wedding in such a building. The Catholic church has very extreme views about homosexuality, yet one of these chaps is not only happy to be part of that church and supposedly those views, but professes to be a devout member ! As said before ... nothing but a whinging hypocrite who should now spend some time thinking about all thoie othesr the Catholic church have oppressed and murdered over the years rather than bleating to the media about how unfair an institition is that he has had no previous integrity to oppose. Read the words of Pastor Neimuller, Mr Suchonek Bob49
  • Score: 7

6:53pm Sat 29 Mar 14

afcb-mark says...

Pablo23 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
They are perfectly entitled to do what they want and so is the church. It is their building and if they believe it goes against their beliefs and they were misled into believing it was for a birthday party they have every right to cancel the booking.
If they are charging for use of a facility are they not effectively a business?

And I'm sure it is illegal for a business to discriminate is it not?
i.e. Gay people not allowed in a bed and breakfast, black people not allowed on buses etc.
Pablo, the two men lied to get the venue because they knew the answer would be NO if they revealed their true reason for renting the hall. The church are not at fault here, it is their church and basically they call the shots.This couple who went running to the press looking for sympathy even though they had been deceitful have simply made themselves look like a couple of fools. This is a non story and in future they should try being honest instead of playing the homophobic sympathy card. It's starting to get a bit tedious.
[quote][p][bold]Pablo23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: They are perfectly entitled to do what they want and so is the church. It is their building and if they believe it goes against their beliefs and they were misled into believing it was for a birthday party they have every right to cancel the booking.[/p][/quote]If they are charging for use of a facility are they not effectively a business? And I'm sure it is illegal for a business to discriminate is it not? i.e. Gay people not allowed in a bed and breakfast, black people not allowed on buses etc.[/p][/quote]Pablo, the two men lied to get the venue because they knew the answer would be NO if they revealed their true reason for renting the hall. The church are not at fault here, it is their church and basically they call the shots.This couple who went running to the press looking for sympathy even though they had been deceitful have simply made themselves look like a couple of fools. This is a non story and in future they should try being honest instead of playing the homophobic sympathy card. It's starting to get a bit tedious. afcb-mark
  • Score: 30

7:09pm Sat 29 Mar 14

power_ranger says...

afcb-mark wrote:
Pablo23 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
They are perfectly entitled to do what they want and so is the church. It is their building and if they believe it goes against their beliefs and they were misled into believing it was for a birthday party they have every right to cancel the booking.
If they are charging for use of a facility are they not effectively a business?

And I'm sure it is illegal for a business to discriminate is it not?
i.e. Gay people not allowed in a bed and breakfast, black people not allowed on buses etc.
Pablo, the two men lied to get the venue because they knew the answer would be NO if they revealed their true reason for renting the hall. The church are not at fault here, it is their church and basically they call the shots.This couple who went running to the press looking for sympathy even though they had been deceitful have simply made themselves look like a couple of fools. This is a non story and in future they should try being honest instead of playing the homophobic sympathy card. It's starting to get a bit tedious.
hate hate hate. Is that all you are capable of?
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: They are perfectly entitled to do what they want and so is the church. It is their building and if they believe it goes against their beliefs and they were misled into believing it was for a birthday party they have every right to cancel the booking.[/p][/quote]If they are charging for use of a facility are they not effectively a business? And I'm sure it is illegal for a business to discriminate is it not? i.e. Gay people not allowed in a bed and breakfast, black people not allowed on buses etc.[/p][/quote]Pablo, the two men lied to get the venue because they knew the answer would be NO if they revealed their true reason for renting the hall. The church are not at fault here, it is their church and basically they call the shots.This couple who went running to the press looking for sympathy even though they had been deceitful have simply made themselves look like a couple of fools. This is a non story and in future they should try being honest instead of playing the homophobic sympathy card. It's starting to get a bit tedious.[/p][/quote]hate hate hate. Is that all you are capable of? power_ranger
  • Score: -23

7:51pm Sat 29 Mar 14

carrrob says...

If they dont want you to hire there hall get over it will be glad when the gay marriage blurb is off the front pages !!!
If they dont want you to hire there hall get over it will be glad when the gay marriage blurb is off the front pages !!! carrrob
  • Score: 19

7:55pm Sat 29 Mar 14

power_ranger says...

Really quite something to see similar stories on the Echo's sister paper in Brighton:

http://www.theargus.
co.uk/news/11112229.
I_now_pronounce_you_
husband_and_husband/
?ref=var_0

That says a lot about some of the residents of Bournemouth. Lets hope they all live out their days there. Not long now....
Really quite something to see similar stories on the Echo's sister paper in Brighton: http://www.theargus. co.uk/news/11112229. I_now_pronounce_you_ husband_and_husband/ ?ref=var_0 That says a lot about some of the residents of Bournemouth. Lets hope they all live out their days there. Not long now.... power_ranger
  • Score: -12

8:01pm Sat 29 Mar 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Sorry for the observation.but can't get passed.Should have gone to spec savers.
Sorry for the observation.but can't get passed.Should have gone to spec savers. kalebmoledirt
  • Score: -4

8:19pm Sat 29 Mar 14

ifordcherry says...

Go to Poland and try and marry in a catholic church ??I don`t think so !!.....Don`t do in this country what you would not do in your own...
Go to Poland and try and marry in a catholic church ??I don`t think so !!.....Don`t do in this country what you would not do in your own... ifordcherry
  • Score: 15

8:24pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Bunyip Bluegum says...

Pablo23 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
They are perfectly entitled to do what they want and so is the church. It is their building and if they believe it goes against their beliefs and they were misled into believing it was for a birthday party they have every right to cancel the booking.
If they are charging for use of a facility are they not effectively a business?

And I'm sure it is illegal for a business to discriminate is it not?
i.e. Gay people not allowed in a bed and breakfast, black people not allowed on buses etc.
The hall, as I understand it, is private property for the congregation's use. It was not built to be let out as a business.
[quote][p][bold]Pablo23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: They are perfectly entitled to do what they want and so is the church. It is their building and if they believe it goes against their beliefs and they were misled into believing it was for a birthday party they have every right to cancel the booking.[/p][/quote]If they are charging for use of a facility are they not effectively a business? And I'm sure it is illegal for a business to discriminate is it not? i.e. Gay people not allowed in a bed and breakfast, black people not allowed on buses etc.[/p][/quote]The hall, as I understand it, is private property for the congregation's use. It was not built to be let out as a business. Bunyip Bluegum
  • Score: 12

8:27pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Bunyip Bluegum says...

BigAlfromsunnyBourne
mouth
wrote:
Isn't it ironic that the predominantly homosexual Roman Catholic Church is discriminating against homosexuality. If they really are anti homosexual then maybe they ought to sort out their own house by firing the many thousands of homosexual clergy before dictating to others.

To Robert and Kamil, best of luck for the future and maybe you should consider whether you should follow such a worthless and outdated organisation as the RC Church.
What's your evidence that the Roman Catholic Church is "predominately homosexual"?
[quote][p][bold]BigAlfromsunnyBourne mouth[/bold] wrote: Isn't it ironic that the predominantly homosexual Roman Catholic Church is discriminating against homosexuality. If they really are anti homosexual then maybe they ought to sort out their own house by firing the many thousands of homosexual clergy before dictating to others. To Robert and Kamil, best of luck for the future and maybe you should consider whether you should follow such a worthless and outdated organisation as the RC Church.[/p][/quote]What's your evidence that the Roman Catholic Church is "predominately homosexual"? Bunyip Bluegum
  • Score: 12

8:57pm Sat 29 Mar 14

power_ranger says...

Bunyip Bluegum wrote:
Pablo23 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
They are perfectly entitled to do what they want and so is the church. It is their building and if they believe it goes against their beliefs and they were misled into believing it was for a birthday party they have every right to cancel the booking.
If they are charging for use of a facility are they not effectively a business?

And I'm sure it is illegal for a business to discriminate is it not?
i.e. Gay people not allowed in a bed and breakfast, black people not allowed on buses etc.
The hall, as I understand it, is private property for the congregation's use. It was not built to be let out as a business.
Then they are taking money and not declaring it to HMRC?
[quote][p][bold]Bunyip Bluegum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: They are perfectly entitled to do what they want and so is the church. It is their building and if they believe it goes against their beliefs and they were misled into believing it was for a birthday party they have every right to cancel the booking.[/p][/quote]If they are charging for use of a facility are they not effectively a business? And I'm sure it is illegal for a business to discriminate is it not? i.e. Gay people not allowed in a bed and breakfast, black people not allowed on buses etc.[/p][/quote]The hall, as I understand it, is private property for the congregation's use. It was not built to be let out as a business.[/p][/quote]Then they are taking money and not declaring it to HMRC? power_ranger
  • Score: 0

9:25pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Pablo23 says...

power_ranger wrote:
Bunyip Bluegum wrote:
Pablo23 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
They are perfectly entitled to do what they want and so is the church. It is their building and if they believe it goes against their beliefs and they were misled into believing it was for a birthday party they have every right to cancel the booking.
If they are charging for use of a facility are they not effectively a business?

And I'm sure it is illegal for a business to discriminate is it not?
i.e. Gay people not allowed in a bed and breakfast, black people not allowed on buses etc.
The hall, as I understand it, is private property for the congregation's use. It was not built to be let out as a business.
Then they are taking money and not declaring it to HMRC?
The law does not apply to the catholic church
[quote][p][bold]power_ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bunyip Bluegum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: They are perfectly entitled to do what they want and so is the church. It is their building and if they believe it goes against their beliefs and they were misled into believing it was for a birthday party they have every right to cancel the booking.[/p][/quote]If they are charging for use of a facility are they not effectively a business? And I'm sure it is illegal for a business to discriminate is it not? i.e. Gay people not allowed in a bed and breakfast, black people not allowed on buses etc.[/p][/quote]The hall, as I understand it, is private property for the congregation's use. It was not built to be let out as a business.[/p][/quote]Then they are taking money and not declaring it to HMRC?[/p][/quote]The law does not apply to the catholic church Pablo23
  • Score: 3

9:32pm Sat 29 Mar 14

muscliffman says...

Bunyip Bluegum wrote:
BigAlfromsunnyBourne

mouth
wrote:
Isn't it ironic that the predominantly homosexual Roman Catholic Church is discriminating against homosexuality. If they really are anti homosexual then maybe they ought to sort out their own house by firing the many thousands of homosexual clergy before dictating to others.

To Robert and Kamil, best of luck for the future and maybe you should consider whether you should follow such a worthless and outdated organisation as the RC Church.
What's your evidence that the Roman Catholic Church is "predominately homosexual"?
Quite, in fact most of the gathering and long supressed evidence suggests that some of those working in this Church (and others) are not interested in relationships with grown-up adults of either sex...........
[quote][p][bold]Bunyip Bluegum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigAlfromsunnyBourne mouth[/bold] wrote: Isn't it ironic that the predominantly homosexual Roman Catholic Church is discriminating against homosexuality. If they really are anti homosexual then maybe they ought to sort out their own house by firing the many thousands of homosexual clergy before dictating to others. To Robert and Kamil, best of luck for the future and maybe you should consider whether you should follow such a worthless and outdated organisation as the RC Church.[/p][/quote]What's your evidence that the Roman Catholic Church is "predominately homosexual"?[/p][/quote]Quite, in fact most of the gathering and long supressed evidence suggests that some of those working in this Church (and others) are not interested in relationships with grown-up adults of either sex........... muscliffman
  • Score: 4

9:32pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Pablo23 says...

glennzilla wrote:
What I find astonishing from reading these comments and from the number of thumbs down, is that 18 centuries since Constantine ordered bishops from the multitude of opposing Christian denominations to stop bickering (sometimes to the point of bloodshed) and form a unified set of beliefs at the Council of Nicea, respect and privilege is still being afforded to what amounts to be the hysterical teachings of medieval desert nomads. In this day and age is it really acceptable that beliefs, based on a book that has not only been mistranslated but moulded to fit certain doctrines by discarding some parables, are allowed to justify discrimination?
Whilst I accept that this couple were naive, this story would get a far different response if it was about a heterosexual black couple being refused to celebrate their union in a building owned by Combat 18 on the grounds of their beliefs. Bigotry is bigotry whether it's based on gender, race, disability or sexual preference.
Totally agree
[quote][p][bold]glennzilla[/bold] wrote: What I find astonishing from reading these comments and from the number of thumbs down, is that 18 centuries since Constantine ordered bishops from the multitude of opposing Christian denominations to stop bickering (sometimes to the point of bloodshed) and form a unified set of beliefs at the Council of Nicea, respect and privilege is still being afforded to what amounts to be the hysterical teachings of medieval desert nomads. In this day and age is it really acceptable that beliefs, based on a book that has not only been mistranslated but moulded to fit certain doctrines by discarding some parables, are allowed to justify discrimination? Whilst I accept that this couple were naive, this story would get a far different response if it was about a heterosexual black couple being refused to celebrate their union in a building owned by Combat 18 on the grounds of their beliefs. Bigotry is bigotry whether it's based on gender, race, disability or sexual preference.[/p][/quote]Totally agree Pablo23
  • Score: 4

9:58pm Sat 29 Mar 14

power_ranger says...

Pablo23 wrote:
power_ranger wrote:
Bunyip Bluegum wrote:
Pablo23 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
They are perfectly entitled to do what they want and so is the church. It is their building and if they believe it goes against their beliefs and they were misled into believing it was for a birthday party they have every right to cancel the booking.
If they are charging for use of a facility are they not effectively a business?

And I'm sure it is illegal for a business to discriminate is it not?
i.e. Gay people not allowed in a bed and breakfast, black people not allowed on buses etc.
The hall, as I understand it, is private property for the congregation's use. It was not built to be let out as a business.
Then they are taking money and not declaring it to HMRC?
The law does not apply to the catholic church
Which one? Presumably child abuse?
[quote][p][bold]Pablo23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]power_ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bunyip Bluegum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: They are perfectly entitled to do what they want and so is the church. It is their building and if they believe it goes against their beliefs and they were misled into believing it was for a birthday party they have every right to cancel the booking.[/p][/quote]If they are charging for use of a facility are they not effectively a business? And I'm sure it is illegal for a business to discriminate is it not? i.e. Gay people not allowed in a bed and breakfast, black people not allowed on buses etc.[/p][/quote]The hall, as I understand it, is private property for the congregation's use. It was not built to be let out as a business.[/p][/quote]Then they are taking money and not declaring it to HMRC?[/p][/quote]The law does not apply to the catholic church[/p][/quote]Which one? Presumably child abuse? power_ranger
  • Score: -3

10:06pm Sat 29 Mar 14

power_ranger says...

Or sexual discrimination?
Or sexual discrimination? power_ranger
  • Score: -7

10:06pm Sat 29 Mar 14

power_ranger says...

or gender discrimination?
or gender discrimination? power_ranger
  • Score: -6

10:25pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Yankee1 says...

Sorry, Robert. The Catholic Church still thinks gays are 'intrinsically disordered'. The words of the last Pope.

Even though I can name at least six Catholic priests who are flamboyantly gay..and in a relationship. With adults, I might add.................
.let's not have scandal!

Shall I begin.........?
Sorry, Robert. The Catholic Church still thinks gays are 'intrinsically disordered'. The words of the last Pope. Even though I can name at least six Catholic priests who are flamboyantly gay..and in a relationship. With adults, I might add................. .let's not have scandal! Shall I begin.........? Yankee1
  • Score: 3

5:12am Sun 30 Mar 14

glennzilla says...

Bob49 wrote:
But why on earth would a black couple want to celebrate their wedding in such a building.

The Catholic church has very extreme views about homosexuality, yet one of these chaps is not only happy to be part of that church and supposedly those views, but professes to be a devout member !

As said before ... nothing but a whinging hypocrite who should now spend some time thinking about all thoie othesr the Catholic church have oppressed and murdered over the years rather than bleating to the media about how unfair an institition is that he has had no previous integrity to oppose.

Read the words of Pastor Neimuller, Mr Suchonek
Some very good points.
It would appear that my hypothetical scenario failed to illustrate how religious beliefs are an accepted form of discrimination.
I'm also frustrated by the hypocrisy but I can understand why Mr Suchonek chooses to ignore the canon law Leviticus 18:22 which decrees homosexuality an abomination because the Clergy and his fellow devotees ignore many themselves. Unless of course it's still acceptable to sell your daughter into slavery Exodus 21:7, or that it's ok to stone people wearing garments woven with two different kinds of thread Leviticus 19:19 or men who trim their hair including by the temples which is expressly forbidden by Leviticus 19:27.
There are many aspects of the Bible, including its teachings on homosexuality, which are archaic and longer relevant in today's society that make hypocrites of all of its followers. However, I should add that there are also many aspects that will remain forever relevant and offer comfort for many but it's just not for me.
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: But why on earth would a black couple want to celebrate their wedding in such a building. The Catholic church has very extreme views about homosexuality, yet one of these chaps is not only happy to be part of that church and supposedly those views, but professes to be a devout member ! As said before ... nothing but a whinging hypocrite who should now spend some time thinking about all thoie othesr the Catholic church have oppressed and murdered over the years rather than bleating to the media about how unfair an institition is that he has had no previous integrity to oppose. Read the words of Pastor Neimuller, Mr Suchonek[/p][/quote]Some very good points. It would appear that my hypothetical scenario failed to illustrate how religious beliefs are an accepted form of discrimination. I'm also frustrated by the hypocrisy but I can understand why Mr Suchonek chooses to ignore the canon law Leviticus 18:22 which decrees homosexuality an abomination because the Clergy and his fellow devotees ignore many themselves. Unless of course it's still acceptable to sell your daughter into slavery Exodus 21:7, or that it's ok to stone people wearing garments woven with two different kinds of thread Leviticus 19:19 or men who trim their hair including by the temples which is expressly forbidden by Leviticus 19:27. There are many aspects of the Bible, including its teachings on homosexuality, which are archaic and longer relevant in today's society that make hypocrites of all of its followers. However, I should add that there are also many aspects that will remain forever relevant and offer comfort for many but it's just not for me. glennzilla
  • Score: 2

9:33am Sun 30 Mar 14

carrrob says...

It will be interesting to see statistically how many of these marriages make it beyond 2 years divorce solicitors must be rubbing there hands together in anticipation.
It will be interesting to see statistically how many of these marriages make it beyond 2 years divorce solicitors must be rubbing there hands together in anticipation. carrrob
  • Score: 7

7:18pm Sun 30 Mar 14

glendower2909 says...

Sorry no discrimination here just stupidity by these 2 gents. Happy for gay marriage no axe to grind there if two people want to commit to each other That is their business but really booking a reception or anything else relating to their big day in a catholic establishment is madness. As a vegetarian would you book a reception in the local carvery. As a devout Muslim would you book a reception in a pub. As a Jew would you have a hog roast at your bar mitzvah and as a Hindu your probably would not frequent Mc D's. So why on earth as a gay couple would you book a wedding reception in the local church. Not clever
Sorry no discrimination here just stupidity by these 2 gents. Happy for gay marriage no axe to grind there if two people want to commit to each other That is their business but really booking a reception or anything else relating to their big day in a catholic establishment is madness. As a vegetarian would you book a reception in the local carvery. As a devout Muslim would you book a reception in a pub. As a Jew would you have a hog roast at your bar mitzvah and as a Hindu your probably would not frequent Mc D's. So why on earth as a gay couple would you book a wedding reception in the local church. Not clever glendower2909
  • Score: 19

9:08pm Sun 30 Mar 14

JackJohnson says...

I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would want to go somewhere they know they aren't welcome. It'd like trying to arrange a pork butchers' convention in a synagogue.

The only possible reason I can find is to try to force some sort of confrontation.
I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would want to go somewhere they know they aren't welcome. It'd like trying to arrange a pork butchers' convention in a synagogue. The only possible reason I can find is to try to force some sort of confrontation. JackJohnson
  • Score: 14

11:38pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

power_ranger wrote:
Bless. The homophobic trolls are running out of places to troll!

Keep taptaptapping away my little keyboard wariors, vote down comments if it gives you a way to express your bigotry, but it won't change anything, and thankfully you're a dying breed who will be long gone and forgotten while these two chaps are celebrating their love for each other after a long and happy marriage in a world of equality where homophobia is no longer accepted, legally or morally by those of sound mind.

Unfortunately for you, that is how your kids and grand kids will remember you, embarrassing, out of touch, old fashioned and completely incapable of change even when society is slapping you around the face telling you to behave yourselves.

Lets see if you can thumb down this post all the way to -100 and beyond! Good luck, much love!
They lied and got caught out, that has nothing to do with their sexuality it has a lot to do with their moral standards. So it is hardly homophobia or bigotry is it!
[quote][p][bold]power_ranger[/bold] wrote: Bless. The homophobic trolls are running out of places to troll! Keep taptaptapping away my little keyboard wariors, vote down comments if it gives you a way to express your bigotry, but it won't change anything, and thankfully you're a dying breed who will be long gone and forgotten while these two chaps are celebrating their love for each other after a long and happy marriage in a world of equality where homophobia is no longer accepted, legally or morally by those of sound mind. Unfortunately for you, that is how your kids and grand kids will remember you, embarrassing, out of touch, old fashioned and completely incapable of change even when society is slapping you around the face telling you to behave yourselves. Lets see if you can thumb down this post all the way to -100 and beyond! Good luck, much love![/p][/quote]They lied and got caught out, that has nothing to do with their sexuality it has a lot to do with their moral standards. So it is hardly homophobia or bigotry is it! Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 7

4:05pm Mon 31 Mar 14

speedy231278 says...

Seem to be an awful lot of homophobic people on here today. Next we'll be hearing the old rhetoric that gay people are responsible for HIV/AIDS. It's funny how the church you champion for being mainly against homosexuality is also the one with scant disregard for the serious issue of children being sexually abused by those who preach its vastly outdated stories.
Seem to be an awful lot of homophobic people on here today. Next we'll be hearing the old rhetoric that gay people are responsible for HIV/AIDS. It's funny how the church you champion for being mainly against homosexuality is also the one with scant disregard for the serious issue of children being sexually abused by those who preach its vastly outdated stories. speedy231278
  • Score: -6

2:34pm Tue 1 Apr 14

kangaroo_joey says...

I have gay friends so in no way am i a homophobe, but as someone has already said why would you go somewhere where you know your not wanted, which is obviously why they lied in the first place as they knew the church wouldnt want them there, if this was a hetrosexual couple then it wouldnt be making the paper. And jsut for the record my gay friends are in agreement with me.
I have gay friends so in no way am i a homophobe, but as someone has already said why would you go somewhere where you know your not wanted, which is obviously why they lied in the first place as they knew the church wouldnt want them there, if this was a hetrosexual couple then it wouldnt be making the paper. And jsut for the record my gay friends are in agreement with me. kangaroo_joey
  • Score: 5

2:50pm Tue 1 Apr 14

O'Reilly says...

MrPitiful wrote:
Why don't they just ask one of the other gay couples who are now getting married at the Town Hall where they are having their reception?

Then go along, book it (This time under the correct booking reason i.e. same sex wedding ) and then job done, they can go ahead and have their shindig.

The lesson they will hopefully then learn is to be truthful as to who/what they are and be truthful with others.

Blimey, it ain't rocket science.
Exactly.....I'm sure the Branksome Arms would accommodate them.........
[quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: Why don't they just ask one of the other gay couples who are now getting married at the Town Hall where they are having their reception? Then go along, book it (This time under the correct booking reason i.e. same sex wedding ) and then job done, they can go ahead and have their shindig. The lesson they will hopefully then learn is to be truthful as to who/what they are and be truthful with others. Blimey, it ain't rocket science.[/p][/quote]Exactly.....I'm sure the Branksome Arms would accommodate them......... O'Reilly
  • Score: 4

2:58pm Tue 1 Apr 14

In Absentia says...

The issue here is nothing to do with same sex marriage, it's the basis on how the Sacred Heart are allowed to offer their premises for public use. I don't know if the law that prevents discrimination on the basis of colour, creed or sexuality applies to them if they're offering the rent of their premises on a commercial basis. If it does, then this couple presumably have a case even if they lied or not.

As regards same sex marriage, people really need to calm down. In a few years time, nobody will take any notice. I'd guess that about 80% of the population really aren't bothered about this even now.
The issue here is nothing to do with same sex marriage, it's the basis on how the Sacred Heart are allowed to offer their premises for public use. I don't know if the law that prevents discrimination on the basis of colour, creed or sexuality applies to them if they're offering the rent of their premises on a commercial basis. If it does, then this couple presumably have a case even if they lied or not. As regards same sex marriage, people really need to calm down. In a few years time, nobody will take any notice. I'd guess that about 80% of the population really aren't bothered about this even now. In Absentia
  • Score: 1

12:17pm Wed 2 Apr 14

lynneangel says...

What about our RIGHTS as christians, we believe totally in the word of God i.e the Bible therefore if the bible states one man and one woman is a marriage, how do we uphold our beliefs and at the same time deny them because a small section of society states we should, wont we be hypocrites to our faith and then be tormented in the thought that we have failed our biblical law and God? The couple state they are catholic Really! then they of all people should know their bible and the impossible dilemma christions are in. As for suing everytime this issue comes up, how does that solve anything? There are numerous places to hold a reception why the catholic church? Isnt this about greed and gain of money everytime whether its a church or a christian hotel? The catholic community is loving and giving generally and gay men and women are no exception to our love, I just pray that they would respect our beliefs and leave us in peace.
What about our RIGHTS as christians, we believe totally in the word of God i.e the Bible therefore if the bible states one man and one woman is a marriage, how do we uphold our beliefs and at the same time deny them because a small section of society states we should, wont we be hypocrites to our faith and then be tormented in the thought that we have failed our biblical law and God? The couple state they are catholic Really! then they of all people should know their bible and the impossible dilemma christions are in. As for suing everytime this issue comes up, how does that solve anything? There are numerous places to hold a reception why the catholic church? Isnt this about greed and gain of money everytime whether its a church or a christian hotel? The catholic community is loving and giving generally and gay men and women are no exception to our love, I just pray that they would respect our beliefs and leave us in peace. lynneangel
  • Score: -2

12:43pm Thu 3 Apr 14

stevobath says...

Yankee1 wrote:
Sorry, Robert. The Catholic Church still thinks gays are 'intrinsically disordered'. The words of the last Pope.

Even though I can name at least six Catholic priests who are flamboyantly gay..and in a relationship. With adults, I might add.................

.let's not have scandal!

Shall I begin.........?
Come on then. I'd love you to name them.

I'm not lover of the Catholic Church either far from it.

If you're going to make these statements, you can provide evidence & proof?
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: Sorry, Robert. The Catholic Church still thinks gays are 'intrinsically disordered'. The words of the last Pope. Even though I can name at least six Catholic priests who are flamboyantly gay..and in a relationship. With adults, I might add................. .let's not have scandal! Shall I begin.........?[/p][/quote]Come on then. I'd love you to name them. I'm not lover of the Catholic Church either far from it. If you're going to make these statements, you can provide evidence & proof? stevobath
  • Score: 1

9:19pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

It's not discrimination - the landlord of the premises has a right to chose who he lets in, in the same way he might refuse say, a ku klux klan meeting, or the local sect of devil worshippers. Gays have got want they want - 'equal' rights, but now they feel the need to ram it down everybody"s throats at every opportunity....... now I'm no homophobe, but I am starting to get a bit sick and tired of this constant over-The-top political correctness.
It's not discrimination - the landlord of the premises has a right to chose who he lets in, in the same way he might refuse say, a ku klux klan meeting, or the local sect of devil worshippers. Gays have got want they want - 'equal' rights, but now they feel the need to ram it down everybody"s throats at every opportunity....... now I'm no homophobe, but I am starting to get a bit sick and tired of this constant over-The-top political correctness. Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 1

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