Man arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving after Wimborne man dies in A31 crash

Bournemouth Echo: The scene of the crash on Monday night The scene of the crash on Monday night

THE driver who died at the scene of a horrific crash last night was travelling with his wife and seven-year-old daughter at the time, it has been confirmed.

Dorset Police say the 43-year-old, from the Wimborne area, died at the scene of the crash on the A31, near Winterborne Zelston.

His wife, aged 37, and their young daughter were rushed to Poole General Hospital with serious injuries. Police say these injuries are not thought to be life-threatening.

Meanwhile, the driver of a Subaru car involved in the accident, a 28-year-old man from Taunton, Somerset, has been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving.

The Subaru driver was treated for minor injuries at Dorset County Hospital, Dorchester, before being interviewed by police. He has been released on bail while enquiries continue.

Investigators are anxious to speak to a driver of a small green hatchback-style car, who may have witnessed the accident.

The A31 east of Bere Regis was closed for much of the night following the three-vehicle collision, which took place just before 6pm.

A Dorset Police spokesman said: “A blue Subaru car driven by a male from Somerset overtook an articulated HGV travelling west, and during the course of this overtaking manoeuvre has collided with a vehicle travelling east.

“The vehicle hit – a Skoda vehicle – was pushed off the road and the driver suffered fatal injuries as a result.

“The Subaru spun into another car travelling east, a Mercedes driven by a local man. That spun off the road into a roadside ditch.” The Mercedes driver was not injured.

Specially trained crash investigators spent hours at the scene afterwards to gather evidence. The A31 was finally reopened at 1.20am.

The police spokesman said: “We believe that during the initial overtaking by the Subaru another vehicle may have been inconvenienced, a small green hatchback-style car. Police are very keen to speak to this driver as he may have valuable information.

“Dorset Police would like to thank all the people who were inconvenienced by this collision, while the road was closed for a full forensic collision investigation.

“Dorset Police traffic department would also like to hear from any witnesses to the collision and would encourage them to call in on the telephone number 101, and ask for PC 1294 Smith from the traffic department at Poole.”

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12:59pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Huey says...

What a tragedy, a family torn apart all because some jerk in a Subaru couldn't wait to get past a lorry.
I hope he gets his comeuppance.
What a tragedy, a family torn apart all because some jerk in a Subaru couldn't wait to get past a lorry. I hope he gets his comeuppance. Huey
  • Score: 156

1:08pm Tue 25 Mar 14

your having a laugh111 says...

Poor family, what a disgraceful decision that boy racer made.
Poor family, what a disgraceful decision that boy racer made. your having a laugh111
  • Score: 107

1:15pm Tue 25 Mar 14

trolley says...

We see accidents almost daily,bad driving the cause,police should be concentrating on these type of manoevres not speeding
We see accidents almost daily,bad driving the cause,police should be concentrating on these type of manoevres not speeding trolley
  • Score: 60

1:30pm Tue 25 Mar 14

camvalley says...

Always the way ,the one who causes it gets away unscathed ,hope they throw the book at him ,not forgetting the lorry driver ,who had to witness all this .
Always the way ,the one who causes it gets away unscathed ,hope they throw the book at him ,not forgetting the lorry driver ,who had to witness all this . camvalley
  • Score: 118

1:41pm Tue 25 Mar 14

delta3 says...

I wish the family a speedy recovery and hope the full weight of the law is brought down on the guilty party.
I wish the family a speedy recovery and hope the full weight of the law is brought down on the guilty party. delta3
  • Score: 74

2:09pm Tue 25 Mar 14

tubsy says...

Such a tragedy and, again, caused by the driver of a sports car. It's about time the police and DSA clamped down on the "fast & furious" car drivers. Make them do an advanced driving course before they are allowed behind the wheel of a car they clearly don't know how to drive.
Such a tragedy and, again, caused by the driver of a sports car. It's about time the police and DSA clamped down on the "fast & furious" car drivers. Make them do an advanced driving course before they are allowed behind the wheel of a car they clearly don't know how to drive. tubsy
  • Score: 58

2:09pm Tue 25 Mar 14

EGHH says...

**** these boy racers. Sympathy to the family of the deceased.
**** these boy racers. Sympathy to the family of the deceased. EGHH
  • Score: 42

2:10pm Tue 25 Mar 14

hamworthygirl says...

Sad news again another family devastated by an idiot, i really hope he gets a good sentence and a ban.
Sad news again another family devastated by an idiot, i really hope he gets a good sentence and a ban. hamworthygirl
  • Score: 64

2:22pm Tue 25 Mar 14

The irate commuter says...

Huey wrote:
What a tragedy, a family torn apart all because some jerk in a Subaru couldn't wait to get past a lorry. I hope he gets his comeuppance.
Some hope!!!! ... the 'unfit for purpose' UK justice system will no doubt give the idiot just a slapped wrist & a 3 year driving ban!!!
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: What a tragedy, a family torn apart all because some jerk in a Subaru couldn't wait to get past a lorry. I hope he gets his comeuppance.[/p][/quote]Some hope!!!! ... the 'unfit for purpose' UK justice system will no doubt give the idiot just a slapped wrist & a 3 year driving ban!!! The irate commuter
  • Score: 30

2:31pm Tue 25 Mar 14

rayc says...

tubsy wrote:
Such a tragedy and, again, caused by the driver of a sports car. It's about time the police and DSA clamped down on the "fast & furious" car drivers. Make them do an advanced driving course before they are allowed behind the wheel of a car they clearly don't know how to drive.
For that to happen you need Police Officers out on the roads. When automated speed enforcement was introduced we were told it would free up Traffic Officers to concentrate on moving traffic offences. Instead they cut the number of Traffic officers dramatically. Careless Driving has recently become an offence which can be dealt with by a Fixed Penalty Offence or attendance at a Driver Awareness Course. The Magistrates Association warned that two consequences would be to take action where previously the offence would have not warranted court action and that offences that deserved court action would be dealt with more leniently.
What we do not need is tarring all drivers of sports cars with the same brush. Drivers of all types of vehicles have the potential to carry out careless or dangerous actions and credibility must be kept by making the punishment fit the crime and the consequences of the crime.
[quote][p][bold]tubsy[/bold] wrote: Such a tragedy and, again, caused by the driver of a sports car. It's about time the police and DSA clamped down on the "fast & furious" car drivers. Make them do an advanced driving course before they are allowed behind the wheel of a car they clearly don't know how to drive.[/p][/quote]For that to happen you need Police Officers out on the roads. When automated speed enforcement was introduced we were told it would free up Traffic Officers to concentrate on moving traffic offences. Instead they cut the number of Traffic officers dramatically. Careless Driving has recently become an offence which can be dealt with by a Fixed Penalty Offence or attendance at a Driver Awareness Course. The Magistrates Association warned that two consequences would be to take action where previously the offence would have not warranted court action and that offences that deserved court action would be dealt with more leniently. What we do not need is tarring all drivers of sports cars with the same brush. Drivers of all types of vehicles have the potential to carry out careless or dangerous actions and credibility must be kept by making the punishment fit the crime and the consequences of the crime. rayc
  • Score: 21

2:37pm Tue 25 Mar 14

High Treason says...

Huey wrote:
What a tragedy, a family torn apart all because some jerk in a Subaru couldn't wait to get past a lorry.
I hope he gets his comeuppance.
What comeuppance? if found guilty he may get a few months in prison. His future insurance premiums will increase and he will be banned. Big deal.
But the justice system is to blame. If we handed severe fines for all bad driving offences, even selling their vehicles, in time most would realise it is to expensive to take any risks.
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: What a tragedy, a family torn apart all because some jerk in a Subaru couldn't wait to get past a lorry. I hope he gets his comeuppance.[/p][/quote]What comeuppance? if found guilty he may get a few months in prison. His future insurance premiums will increase and he will be banned. Big deal. But the justice system is to blame. If we handed severe fines for all bad driving offences, even selling their vehicles, in time most would realise it is to expensive to take any risks. High Treason
  • Score: 29

2:38pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Stereotyped says...

tubsy wrote:
Such a tragedy and, again, caused by the driver of a sports car. It's about time the police and DSA clamped down on the "fast & furious" car drivers. Make them do an advanced driving course before they are allowed behind the wheel of a car they clearly don't know how to drive.
Wow, what a ridiculous comment. I own a modified car and I drive it normally on the roads...unlike the 'sensible' people in their family cars who speed past me on a regular basis, or tail gate me... for the sake of what, getting to work 1 minute sooner?

"Boy racer" is such a ludicrous stereotype.

Just a couple of days ago I was tail gated by some idiot in a clapped out old car, he came racing up behind me in a 30mph limit and continued to slow down and speed right up behind me again... He had 2 kids in his car, about 6 years old I would say, neither of them had a seatbelt on.

That's acceptable to you though, because it wasn't a sports car.

Oh dear.

RIP to the driver of the Skoda.
[quote][p][bold]tubsy[/bold] wrote: Such a tragedy and, again, caused by the driver of a sports car. It's about time the police and DSA clamped down on the "fast & furious" car drivers. Make them do an advanced driving course before they are allowed behind the wheel of a car they clearly don't know how to drive.[/p][/quote]Wow, what a ridiculous comment. I own a modified car and I drive it normally on the roads...unlike the 'sensible' people in their family cars who speed past me on a regular basis, or tail gate me... for the sake of what, getting to work 1 minute sooner? "Boy racer" is such a ludicrous stereotype. Just a couple of days ago I was tail gated by some idiot in a clapped out old car, he came racing up behind me in a 30mph limit and continued to slow down and speed right up behind me again... He had 2 kids in his car, about 6 years old I would say, neither of them had a seatbelt on. That's acceptable to you though, because it wasn't a sports car. Oh dear. RIP to the driver of the Skoda. Stereotyped
  • Score: 34

2:46pm Tue 25 Mar 14

rayc says...

The irate commuter wrote:
Huey wrote:
What a tragedy, a family torn apart all because some jerk in a Subaru couldn't wait to get past a lorry. I hope he gets his comeuppance.
Some hope!!!! ... the 'unfit for purpose' UK justice system will no doubt give the idiot just a slapped wrist & a 3 year driving ban!!!
If the driver is convicted of causing death by dangerous driving then it will almost certainly lead to a prison sentence. The guidelines are;
i) No aggravating circumstances – twelve months to two years' imprisonment ;
ii) Intermediate culpability - two to four and a half years' imprisonment ;
iii) Higher culpability – four and a half to seven years' imprisonment ;
iv) Most serious culpability – seven to fourteen years' imprisonment .
When a court disqualifies a person for causing death by dangerous driving, it must order an extended retest.
[quote][p][bold]The irate commuter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: What a tragedy, a family torn apart all because some jerk in a Subaru couldn't wait to get past a lorry. I hope he gets his comeuppance.[/p][/quote]Some hope!!!! ... the 'unfit for purpose' UK justice system will no doubt give the idiot just a slapped wrist & a 3 year driving ban!!![/p][/quote]If the driver is convicted of causing death by dangerous driving then it will almost certainly lead to a prison sentence. The guidelines are; i) No aggravating circumstances – twelve months to two years' imprisonment ; ii) Intermediate culpability - two to four and a half years' imprisonment ; iii) Higher culpability – four and a half to seven years' imprisonment ; iv) Most serious culpability – seven to fourteen years' imprisonment . When a court disqualifies a person for causing death by dangerous driving, it must order an extended retest. rayc
  • Score: 15

2:59pm Tue 25 Mar 14

High Treason says...

rayc wrote:
The irate commuter wrote:
Huey wrote:
What a tragedy, a family torn apart all because some jerk in a Subaru couldn't wait to get past a lorry. I hope he gets his comeuppance.
Some hope!!!! ... the 'unfit for purpose' UK justice system will no doubt give the idiot just a slapped wrist & a 3 year driving ban!!!
If the driver is convicted of causing death by dangerous driving then it will almost certainly lead to a prison sentence. The guidelines are;
i) No aggravating circumstances – twelve months to two years' imprisonment ;
ii) Intermediate culpability - two to four and a half years' imprisonment ;
iii) Higher culpability – four and a half to seven years' imprisonment ;
iv) Most serious culpability – seven to fourteen years' imprisonment .
When a court disqualifies a person for causing death by dangerous driving, it must order an extended retest.
Huh...only 4 years for killing someone with a single punch. The sentences are never that high.
[quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The irate commuter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: What a tragedy, a family torn apart all because some jerk in a Subaru couldn't wait to get past a lorry. I hope he gets his comeuppance.[/p][/quote]Some hope!!!! ... the 'unfit for purpose' UK justice system will no doubt give the idiot just a slapped wrist & a 3 year driving ban!!![/p][/quote]If the driver is convicted of causing death by dangerous driving then it will almost certainly lead to a prison sentence. The guidelines are; i) No aggravating circumstances – twelve months to two years' imprisonment ; ii) Intermediate culpability - two to four and a half years' imprisonment ; iii) Higher culpability – four and a half to seven years' imprisonment ; iv) Most serious culpability – seven to fourteen years' imprisonment . When a court disqualifies a person for causing death by dangerous driving, it must order an extended retest.[/p][/quote]Huh...only 4 years for killing someone with a single punch. The sentences are never that high. High Treason
  • Score: 16

3:29pm Tue 25 Mar 14

TinyLegacy says...

Terrible situation for the poor family involved. And for morons on here to go throwing accusations about 'Subaru drivers' - i've seen all types of cars driven in dangerous ways, from small hatchbacks to luxury cars. Button it.
Terrible situation for the poor family involved. And for morons on here to go throwing accusations about 'Subaru drivers' - i've seen all types of cars driven in dangerous ways, from small hatchbacks to luxury cars. Button it. TinyLegacy
  • Score: 8

3:43pm Tue 25 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

That part of the A31 is a three mile 40 MPH through those bends ,ending at the Worlds End pub,
The trouble is non locals think they can ignore the speed limit in their hurry to get home,and take chances .They have done it to me loads of times ,or they are tail gatting trying to get you to drive faster,
What you need is Face on Speed Camaras to deter thease idiots.
Looks what happend A man has lost his life ,His wife and children are in hospital,.The truck driver had to whitness it all .
Dorset County Council wont do anything about it,
A persons life is cheap ,O they will come up with all sorts of tick box reasons for not doing anything ,.In the mean time people are loosing their lives .
I hope the Suberu driver goes to prison ,+ a 10 yr ban,(some hope).
My thoughts go out to the family that has lost their loved one.
That part of the A31 is a three mile 40 MPH through those bends ,ending at the Worlds End pub, The trouble is non locals think they can ignore the speed limit in their hurry to get home,and take chances .They have done it to me loads of times ,or they are tail gatting trying to get you to drive faster, What you need is Face on Speed Camaras to deter thease idiots. Looks what happend A man has lost his life ,His wife and children are in hospital,.The truck driver had to whitness it all . Dorset County Council wont do anything about it, A persons life is cheap ,O they will come up with all sorts of tick box reasons for not doing anything ,.In the mean time people are loosing their lives . I hope the Suberu driver goes to prison ,+ a 10 yr ban,(some hope). My thoughts go out to the family that has lost their loved one. cromwell9
  • Score: 26

3:44pm Tue 25 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

TinyLegacy wrote:
Terrible situation for the poor family involved. And for morons on here to go throwing accusations about 'Subaru drivers' - i've seen all types of cars driven in dangerous ways, from small hatchbacks to luxury cars. Button it.
Perhaps you are one of them matey?
[quote][p][bold]TinyLegacy[/bold] wrote: Terrible situation for the poor family involved. And for morons on here to go throwing accusations about 'Subaru drivers' - i've seen all types of cars driven in dangerous ways, from small hatchbacks to luxury cars. Button it.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you are one of them matey? cromwell9
  • Score: -32

4:01pm Tue 25 Mar 14

DJHPoole says...

How many coffins will it take before Dorset CC wake up smell the mixed metaphores?
How many coffins will it take before Dorset CC wake up smell the mixed metaphores? DJHPoole
  • Score: 0

4:09pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Hessenford says...

rayc wrote:
tubsy wrote:
Such a tragedy and, again, caused by the driver of a sports car. It's about time the police and DSA clamped down on the "fast & furious" car drivers. Make them do an advanced driving course before they are allowed behind the wheel of a car they clearly don't know how to drive.
For that to happen you need Police Officers out on the roads. When automated speed enforcement was introduced we were told it would free up Traffic Officers to concentrate on moving traffic offences. Instead they cut the number of Traffic officers dramatically. Careless Driving has recently become an offence which can be dealt with by a Fixed Penalty Offence or attendance at a Driver Awareness Course. The Magistrates Association warned that two consequences would be to take action where previously the offence would have not warranted court action and that offences that deserved court action would be dealt with more leniently.
What we do not need is tarring all drivers of sports cars with the same brush. Drivers of all types of vehicles have the potential to carry out careless or dangerous actions and credibility must be kept by making the punishment fit the crime and the consequences of the crime.
Totally agree, its not the make of car that caused this accident, its the stupid 28 year old who thought he was invincible.
My thoughts are with the family of the poor man who lost his life due to stupidity of someone else.
[quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tubsy[/bold] wrote: Such a tragedy and, again, caused by the driver of a sports car. It's about time the police and DSA clamped down on the "fast & furious" car drivers. Make them do an advanced driving course before they are allowed behind the wheel of a car they clearly don't know how to drive.[/p][/quote]For that to happen you need Police Officers out on the roads. When automated speed enforcement was introduced we were told it would free up Traffic Officers to concentrate on moving traffic offences. Instead they cut the number of Traffic officers dramatically. Careless Driving has recently become an offence which can be dealt with by a Fixed Penalty Offence or attendance at a Driver Awareness Course. The Magistrates Association warned that two consequences would be to take action where previously the offence would have not warranted court action and that offences that deserved court action would be dealt with more leniently. What we do not need is tarring all drivers of sports cars with the same brush. Drivers of all types of vehicles have the potential to carry out careless or dangerous actions and credibility must be kept by making the punishment fit the crime and the consequences of the crime.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, its not the make of car that caused this accident, its the stupid 28 year old who thought he was invincible. My thoughts are with the family of the poor man who lost his life due to stupidity of someone else. Hessenford
  • Score: 28

4:13pm Tue 25 Mar 14

TinyLegacy says...

cromwell9 wrote:
TinyLegacy wrote:
Terrible situation for the poor family involved. And for morons on here to go throwing accusations about 'Subaru drivers' - i've seen all types of cars driven in dangerous ways, from small hatchbacks to luxury cars. Button it.
Perhaps you are one of them matey?
One of what exactly? Subaru driver? The clue's in the name my friend. But may be worth your while educating yourself on Subaru models. You might learn that a Justy, R1 or Samba aren't particularly capable of overtaking much. The person drives the car and makes the decisions, not the car itself.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TinyLegacy[/bold] wrote: Terrible situation for the poor family involved. And for morons on here to go throwing accusations about 'Subaru drivers' - i've seen all types of cars driven in dangerous ways, from small hatchbacks to luxury cars. Button it.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you are one of them matey?[/p][/quote]One of what exactly? Subaru driver? The clue's in the name my friend. But may be worth your while educating yourself on Subaru models. You might learn that a Justy, R1 or Samba aren't particularly capable of overtaking much. The person drives the car and makes the decisions, not the car itself. TinyLegacy
  • Score: 14

4:14pm Tue 25 Mar 14

adspacebroker says...

Once again I urge anyone who witnesses 'anti social or dangerous driving' to report it to the police. These types of driver often come up on the radar and never get reported. If you do report it and and it coincides with other reports then it is likely that the driver will get a Sect 59 notice warning them that any further reports of a similar nature may result in the vehicle being seized....as the young driver of the Blue BMW screeching around Poole town centre found out to his amazement last week. It was great watching his car getting towed as a direct result of a couple of the public reporting it! Once again, and very sadly, it appears that driver error has impacted on the lives of many others. It is happening far too often in Dorset.
Once again I urge anyone who witnesses 'anti social or dangerous driving' to report it to the police. These types of driver often come up on the radar and never get reported. If you do report it and and it coincides with other reports then it is likely that the driver will get a Sect 59 notice warning them that any further reports of a similar nature may result in the vehicle being seized....as the young driver of the Blue BMW screeching around Poole town centre found out to his amazement last week. It was great watching his car getting towed as a direct result of a couple of the public reporting it! Once again, and very sadly, it appears that driver error has impacted on the lives of many others. It is happening far too often in Dorset. adspacebroker
  • Score: 21

4:26pm Tue 25 Mar 14

SpookyMinx says...

This is just so sad, an innocent family torn apart because some selfish idiot felt the need to be a few vehicles in front!! My heart goes out to the poor lady & little girl who have lost a husband & father & I wish them both a full recovery from their injuries. Lets hope the driver responsible for this dreadful accident feels the full force of the law.
This is just so sad, an innocent family torn apart because some selfish idiot felt the need to be a few vehicles in front!! My heart goes out to the poor lady & little girl who have lost a husband & father & I wish them both a full recovery from their injuries. Lets hope the driver responsible for this dreadful accident feels the full force of the law. SpookyMinx
  • Score: 35

4:37pm Tue 25 Mar 14

SpookyMinx says...

I have to say I am amazed at the amount of people slating the vehicle in their comments!! It makes no difference what vehicle is involved, its the person behind the wheel that controls the vehicle & makes the decision, whether its a Subaru or a robin reliant !!
I have to say I am amazed at the amount of people slating the vehicle in their comments!! It makes no difference what vehicle is involved, its the person behind the wheel that controls the vehicle & makes the decision, whether its a Subaru or a robin reliant !! SpookyMinx
  • Score: 24

4:44pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Fred and Wilma says...

My heart and sympathies go out to all innocent parties involved in this awful tragedy, as for what type of car the driver who caused this is irrelevant, idiots like this would do the same regardless of the car just for what 2 minutes off his journey, lets hope the book is thrown at him and a deter given to all other idiots that continuously nationwide do these thoughtless actions! A car is a weapon and weapons kill - especially if in the hands of morons
My heart and sympathies go out to all innocent parties involved in this awful tragedy, as for what type of car the driver who caused this is irrelevant, idiots like this would do the same regardless of the car just for what 2 minutes off his journey, lets hope the book is thrown at him and a deter given to all other idiots that continuously nationwide do these thoughtless actions! A car is a weapon and weapons kill - especially if in the hands of morons Fred and Wilma
  • Score: 24

4:56pm Tue 25 Mar 14

rayc says...

cromwell9 wrote:
That part of the A31 is a three mile 40 MPH through those bends ,ending at the Worlds End pub,
The trouble is non locals think they can ignore the speed limit in their hurry to get home,and take chances .They have done it to me loads of times ,or they are tail gatting trying to get you to drive faster,
What you need is Face on Speed Camaras to deter thease idiots.
Looks what happend A man has lost his life ,His wife and children are in hospital,.The truck driver had to whitness it all .
Dorset County Council wont do anything about it,
A persons life is cheap ,O they will come up with all sorts of tick box reasons for not doing anything ,.In the mean time people are loosing their lives .
I hope the Suberu driver goes to prison ,+ a 10 yr ban,(some hope).
My thoughts go out to the family that has lost their loved one.
The collision did not take place within the 40 mph section but further towards Bere Regis where the NSL applies. It has alternate sections of solid white line on the drivers side and as the photo shows. It would be unusual to have a speed camera on a single carriageway NSL section of road, I cannot think of one in Dorset. A flashing camera in the faces of drivers who may have an approaching speed of 120 mph seems slightly dangerous to me.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: That part of the A31 is a three mile 40 MPH through those bends ,ending at the Worlds End pub, The trouble is non locals think they can ignore the speed limit in their hurry to get home,and take chances .They have done it to me loads of times ,or they are tail gatting trying to get you to drive faster, What you need is Face on Speed Camaras to deter thease idiots. Looks what happend A man has lost his life ,His wife and children are in hospital,.The truck driver had to whitness it all . Dorset County Council wont do anything about it, A persons life is cheap ,O they will come up with all sorts of tick box reasons for not doing anything ,.In the mean time people are loosing their lives . I hope the Suberu driver goes to prison ,+ a 10 yr ban,(some hope). My thoughts go out to the family that has lost their loved one.[/p][/quote]The collision did not take place within the 40 mph section but further towards Bere Regis where the NSL applies. It has alternate sections of solid white line on the drivers side and as the photo shows. It would be unusual to have a speed camera on a single carriageway NSL section of road, I cannot think of one in Dorset. A flashing camera in the faces of drivers who may have an approaching speed of 120 mph seems slightly dangerous to me. rayc
  • Score: 4

5:01pm Tue 25 Mar 14

rayc says...

High Treason wrote:
rayc wrote:
The irate commuter wrote:
Huey wrote:
What a tragedy, a family torn apart all because some jerk in a Subaru couldn't wait to get past a lorry. I hope he gets his comeuppance.
Some hope!!!! ... the 'unfit for purpose' UK justice system will no doubt give the idiot just a slapped wrist & a 3 year driving ban!!!
If the driver is convicted of causing death by dangerous driving then it will almost certainly lead to a prison sentence. The guidelines are;
i) No aggravating circumstances – twelve months to two years' imprisonment ;
ii) Intermediate culpability - two to four and a half years' imprisonment ;
iii) Higher culpability – four and a half to seven years' imprisonment ;
iv) Most serious culpability – seven to fourteen years' imprisonment .
When a court disqualifies a person for causing death by dangerous driving, it must order an extended retest.
Huh...only 4 years for killing someone with a single punch. The sentences are never that high.
Perhaps that is because Death by Dangerous Driving is often down rated to Death by Careless Driving to ensure anuncontested conviction as in the case of Jade Clarke. What you or I may consider Dangerous does not always appear to be in the eyes of the law.
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The irate commuter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: What a tragedy, a family torn apart all because some jerk in a Subaru couldn't wait to get past a lorry. I hope he gets his comeuppance.[/p][/quote]Some hope!!!! ... the 'unfit for purpose' UK justice system will no doubt give the idiot just a slapped wrist & a 3 year driving ban!!![/p][/quote]If the driver is convicted of causing death by dangerous driving then it will almost certainly lead to a prison sentence. The guidelines are; i) No aggravating circumstances – twelve months to two years' imprisonment ; ii) Intermediate culpability - two to four and a half years' imprisonment ; iii) Higher culpability – four and a half to seven years' imprisonment ; iv) Most serious culpability – seven to fourteen years' imprisonment . When a court disqualifies a person for causing death by dangerous driving, it must order an extended retest.[/p][/quote]Huh...only 4 years for killing someone with a single punch. The sentences are never that high.[/p][/quote]Perhaps that is because Death by Dangerous Driving is often down rated to Death by Careless Driving to ensure anuncontested conviction as in the case of Jade Clarke. What you or I may consider Dangerous does not always appear to be in the eyes of the law. rayc
  • Score: 6

5:02pm Tue 25 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

rayc wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
That part of the A31 is a three mile 40 MPH through those bends ,ending at the Worlds End pub,
The trouble is non locals think they can ignore the speed limit in their hurry to get home,and take chances .They have done it to me loads of times ,or they are tail gatting trying to get you to drive faster,
What you need is Face on Speed Camaras to deter thease idiots.
Looks what happend A man has lost his life ,His wife and children are in hospital,.The truck driver had to whitness it all .
Dorset County Council wont do anything about it,
A persons life is cheap ,O they will come up with all sorts of tick box reasons for not doing anything ,.In the mean time people are loosing their lives .
I hope the Suberu driver goes to prison ,+ a 10 yr ban,(some hope).
My thoughts go out to the family that has lost their loved one.
The collision did not take place within the 40 mph section but further towards Bere Regis where the NSL applies. It has alternate sections of solid white line on the drivers side and as the photo shows. It would be unusual to have a speed camera on a single carriageway NSL section of road, I cannot think of one in Dorset. A flashing camera in the faces of drivers who may have an approaching speed of 120 mph seems slightly dangerous to me.
Thankyou for correcting me,
As regards face on cameras ,Hampshire has guite a number of them ,The one that comes to mind is on the Romsey to Winchester rd.
O by the way ,THEY DONT FLASH,
[quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: That part of the A31 is a three mile 40 MPH through those bends ,ending at the Worlds End pub, The trouble is non locals think they can ignore the speed limit in their hurry to get home,and take chances .They have done it to me loads of times ,or they are tail gatting trying to get you to drive faster, What you need is Face on Speed Camaras to deter thease idiots. Looks what happend A man has lost his life ,His wife and children are in hospital,.The truck driver had to whitness it all . Dorset County Council wont do anything about it, A persons life is cheap ,O they will come up with all sorts of tick box reasons for not doing anything ,.In the mean time people are loosing their lives . I hope the Suberu driver goes to prison ,+ a 10 yr ban,(some hope). My thoughts go out to the family that has lost their loved one.[/p][/quote]The collision did not take place within the 40 mph section but further towards Bere Regis where the NSL applies. It has alternate sections of solid white line on the drivers side and as the photo shows. It would be unusual to have a speed camera on a single carriageway NSL section of road, I cannot think of one in Dorset. A flashing camera in the faces of drivers who may have an approaching speed of 120 mph seems slightly dangerous to me.[/p][/quote]Thankyou for correcting me, As regards face on cameras ,Hampshire has guite a number of them ,The one that comes to mind is on the Romsey to Winchester rd. O by the way ,THEY DONT FLASH, cromwell9
  • Score: 6

5:09pm Tue 25 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

TinyLegacy wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
TinyLegacy wrote:
Terrible situation for the poor family involved. And for morons on here to go throwing accusations about 'Subaru drivers' - i've seen all types of cars driven in dangerous ways, from small hatchbacks to luxury cars. Button it.
Perhaps you are one of them matey?
One of what exactly? Subaru driver? The clue's in the name my friend. But may be worth your while educating yourself on Subaru models. You might learn that a Justy, R1 or Samba aren't particularly capable of overtaking much. The person drives the car and makes the decisions, not the car itself.
A friend of mine has one of the fastest Subarus on the planet,
No one commenting on here is suggesting that Subaru drivers were different from any other car owners
[quote][p][bold]TinyLegacy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TinyLegacy[/bold] wrote: Terrible situation for the poor family involved. And for morons on here to go throwing accusations about 'Subaru drivers' - i've seen all types of cars driven in dangerous ways, from small hatchbacks to luxury cars. Button it.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you are one of them matey?[/p][/quote]One of what exactly? Subaru driver? The clue's in the name my friend. But may be worth your while educating yourself on Subaru models. You might learn that a Justy, R1 or Samba aren't particularly capable of overtaking much. The person drives the car and makes the decisions, not the car itself.[/p][/quote]A friend of mine has one of the fastest Subarus on the planet, No one commenting on here is suggesting that Subaru drivers were different from any other car owners cromwell9
  • Score: -17

5:16pm Tue 25 Mar 14

rayc says...

cromwell9 wrote:
rayc wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
That part of the A31 is a three mile 40 MPH through those bends ,ending at the Worlds End pub,
The trouble is non locals think they can ignore the speed limit in their hurry to get home,and take chances .They have done it to me loads of times ,or they are tail gatting trying to get you to drive faster,
What you need is Face on Speed Camaras to deter thease idiots.
Looks what happend A man has lost his life ,His wife and children are in hospital,.The truck driver had to whitness it all .
Dorset County Council wont do anything about it,
A persons life is cheap ,O they will come up with all sorts of tick box reasons for not doing anything ,.In the mean time people are loosing their lives .
I hope the Suberu driver goes to prison ,+ a 10 yr ban,(some hope).
My thoughts go out to the family that has lost their loved one.
The collision did not take place within the 40 mph section but further towards Bere Regis where the NSL applies. It has alternate sections of solid white line on the drivers side and as the photo shows. It would be unusual to have a speed camera on a single carriageway NSL section of road, I cannot think of one in Dorset. A flashing camera in the faces of drivers who may have an approaching speed of 120 mph seems slightly dangerous to me.
Thankyou for correcting me,
As regards face on cameras ,Hampshire has guite a number of them ,The one that comes to mind is on the Romsey to Winchester rd.
O by the way ,THEY DONT FLASH,
Thank you for the info. I use this part of the A31 regularly and cannot say that speed seems a problem on the NSL part of the route. Overtaking vehicles that are restricted by law to lower speeds, such as lorries, caravans etc appears to be much more prevalent and dangerous.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: That part of the A31 is a three mile 40 MPH through those bends ,ending at the Worlds End pub, The trouble is non locals think they can ignore the speed limit in their hurry to get home,and take chances .They have done it to me loads of times ,or they are tail gatting trying to get you to drive faster, What you need is Face on Speed Camaras to deter thease idiots. Looks what happend A man has lost his life ,His wife and children are in hospital,.The truck driver had to whitness it all . Dorset County Council wont do anything about it, A persons life is cheap ,O they will come up with all sorts of tick box reasons for not doing anything ,.In the mean time people are loosing their lives . I hope the Suberu driver goes to prison ,+ a 10 yr ban,(some hope). My thoughts go out to the family that has lost their loved one.[/p][/quote]The collision did not take place within the 40 mph section but further towards Bere Regis where the NSL applies. It has alternate sections of solid white line on the drivers side and as the photo shows. It would be unusual to have a speed camera on a single carriageway NSL section of road, I cannot think of one in Dorset. A flashing camera in the faces of drivers who may have an approaching speed of 120 mph seems slightly dangerous to me.[/p][/quote]Thankyou for correcting me, As regards face on cameras ,Hampshire has guite a number of them ,The one that comes to mind is on the Romsey to Winchester rd. O by the way ,THEY DONT FLASH,[/p][/quote]Thank you for the info. I use this part of the A31 regularly and cannot say that speed seems a problem on the NSL part of the route. Overtaking vehicles that are restricted by law to lower speeds, such as lorries, caravans etc appears to be much more prevalent and dangerous. rayc
  • Score: 6

5:58pm Tue 25 Mar 14

your having a laugh111 says...

I think the council need to install average speed cameras on this road. It seems the only way to save lives. Its more important than the cost of installing them.
I think the council need to install average speed cameras on this road. It seems the only way to save lives. Its more important than the cost of installing them. your having a laugh111
  • Score: 10

6:09pm Tue 25 Mar 14

tbpoole says...

rayc wrote:
tubsy wrote:
Such a tragedy and, again, caused by the driver of a sports car. It's about time the police and DSA clamped down on the "fast & furious" car drivers. Make them do an advanced driving course before they are allowed behind the wheel of a car they clearly don't know how to drive.
For that to happen you need Police Officers out on the roads. When automated speed enforcement was introduced we were told it would free up Traffic Officers to concentrate on moving traffic offences. Instead they cut the number of Traffic officers dramatically. Careless Driving has recently become an offence which can be dealt with by a Fixed Penalty Offence or attendance at a Driver Awareness Course. The Magistrates Association warned that two consequences would be to take action where previously the offence would have not warranted court action and that offences that deserved court action would be dealt with more leniently.
What we do not need is tarring all drivers of sports cars with the same brush. Drivers of all types of vehicles have the potential to carry out careless or dangerous actions and credibility must be kept by making the punishment fit the crime and the consequences of the crime.
They shouldn't need to be out on the road detecting bad driving. All drivers are responsible for their own driving behaviour. It's not the fault of the police, the camera partnership, the highway authority, or the road itself. it's down to the driver if things like this happen. The faster the car, the greater the potential for the driver to take risks. If I've been overtaken in situations where there was a serious risk of a crash, nine times out of ten it's been a performance/sports car steered by a young male driver taking that chance.
[quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tubsy[/bold] wrote: Such a tragedy and, again, caused by the driver of a sports car. It's about time the police and DSA clamped down on the "fast & furious" car drivers. Make them do an advanced driving course before they are allowed behind the wheel of a car they clearly don't know how to drive.[/p][/quote]For that to happen you need Police Officers out on the roads. When automated speed enforcement was introduced we were told it would free up Traffic Officers to concentrate on moving traffic offences. Instead they cut the number of Traffic officers dramatically. Careless Driving has recently become an offence which can be dealt with by a Fixed Penalty Offence or attendance at a Driver Awareness Course. The Magistrates Association warned that two consequences would be to take action where previously the offence would have not warranted court action and that offences that deserved court action would be dealt with more leniently. What we do not need is tarring all drivers of sports cars with the same brush. Drivers of all types of vehicles have the potential to carry out careless or dangerous actions and credibility must be kept by making the punishment fit the crime and the consequences of the crime.[/p][/quote]They shouldn't need to be out on the road detecting bad driving. All drivers are responsible for their own driving behaviour. It's not the fault of the police, the camera partnership, the highway authority, or the road itself. it's down to the driver if things like this happen. The faster the car, the greater the potential for the driver to take risks. If I've been overtaken in situations where there was a serious risk of a crash, nine times out of ten it's been a performance/sports car steered by a young male driver taking that chance. tbpoole
  • Score: 6

6:32pm Tue 25 Mar 14

rayc says...

your having a laugh111 wrote:
I think the council need to install average speed cameras on this road. It seems the only way to save lives. Its more important than the cost of installing them.
Did this collision involve any vehicles exceeding the speed limit? The speed on the NSL sections is fairly self regulating due to the number of vehicles with lower speed limits imposed by law. Perhaps speed limit differentials could be part of the problem leading to risky overtaking. The speed limit for HGV's is 40mph which is considerably lower than the 60mph for cars. Is the 40mph HGV limit really necessary and would an increase to 50mph be more appropriate?
[quote][p][bold]your having a laugh111[/bold] wrote: I think the council need to install average speed cameras on this road. It seems the only way to save lives. Its more important than the cost of installing them.[/p][/quote]Did this collision involve any vehicles exceeding the speed limit? The speed on the NSL sections is fairly self regulating due to the number of vehicles with lower speed limits imposed by law. Perhaps speed limit differentials could be part of the problem leading to risky overtaking. The speed limit for HGV's is 40mph which is considerably lower than the 60mph for cars. Is the 40mph HGV limit really necessary and would an increase to 50mph be more appropriate? rayc
  • Score: -4

7:32pm Tue 25 Mar 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Sell a flame thrower to Pyramaniace,he as just got to find out what it can do .I can not forgive what he has done to.this young family .
Sell a flame thrower to Pyramaniace,he as just got to find out what it can do .I can not forgive what he has done to.this young family . kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 0

9:16pm Tue 25 Mar 14

eyesropen says...

cromwell9 wrote:
That part of the A31 is a three mile 40 MPH through those bends ,ending at the Worlds End pub,
The trouble is non locals think they can ignore the speed limit in their hurry to get home,and take chances .They have done it to me loads of times ,or they are tail gatting trying to get you to drive faster,
What you need is Face on Speed Camaras to deter thease idiots.
Looks what happend A man has lost his life ,His wife and children are in hospital,.The truck driver had to whitness it all .
Dorset County Council wont do anything about it,
A persons life is cheap ,O they will come up with all sorts of tick box reasons for not doing anything ,.In the mean time people are loosing their lives .
I hope the Suberu driver goes to prison ,+ a 10 yr ban,(some hope).
My thoughts go out to the family that has lost their loved one.
This guy wasn't local but why do you make the assumption that all dangerous drivers are non-local? It my experience locals are just as guilty of driving dangerously if not more so because they think they know the roads which gives them a false sense of security. Where he comes from is irrelevant.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: That part of the A31 is a three mile 40 MPH through those bends ,ending at the Worlds End pub, The trouble is non locals think they can ignore the speed limit in their hurry to get home,and take chances .They have done it to me loads of times ,or they are tail gatting trying to get you to drive faster, What you need is Face on Speed Camaras to deter thease idiots. Looks what happend A man has lost his life ,His wife and children are in hospital,.The truck driver had to whitness it all . Dorset County Council wont do anything about it, A persons life is cheap ,O they will come up with all sorts of tick box reasons for not doing anything ,.In the mean time people are loosing their lives . I hope the Suberu driver goes to prison ,+ a 10 yr ban,(some hope). My thoughts go out to the family that has lost their loved one.[/p][/quote]This guy wasn't local but why do you make the assumption that all dangerous drivers are non-local? It my experience locals are just as guilty of driving dangerously if not more so because they think they know the roads which gives them a false sense of security. Where he comes from is irrelevant. eyesropen
  • Score: 9

9:50pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Dorisbel says...

I live near this stretch of road and the accidents on it happen far too frequently. The highways have spent a lot of time and money trying to improve sections of this road because of the amount if accidents, but at the end of the day if the drivers of whatever vehicles cannot drive like other law abiding drivers then quite frankly it is a complete waste of time and money! RIP to this man and deepest condolences to his wife and daughter.
I live near this stretch of road and the accidents on it happen far too frequently. The highways have spent a lot of time and money trying to improve sections of this road because of the amount if accidents, but at the end of the day if the drivers of whatever vehicles cannot drive like other law abiding drivers then quite frankly it is a complete waste of time and money! RIP to this man and deepest condolences to his wife and daughter. Dorisbel
  • Score: 11

10:46pm Tue 25 Mar 14

cheeriedriteup says...

Huey wrote:
What a tragedy, a family torn apart all because some jerk in a Subaru couldn't wait to get past a lorry.
I hope he gets his comeuppance.
The photo suggests that there should have been no over taking as the white line is solid, if this is the case it should be treated equal to murder
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: What a tragedy, a family torn apart all because some jerk in a Subaru couldn't wait to get past a lorry. I hope he gets his comeuppance.[/p][/quote]The photo suggests that there should have been no over taking as the white line is solid, if this is the case it should be treated equal to murder cheeriedriteup
  • Score: 8

7:35am Wed 26 Mar 14

anotherfatslob says...

Think how much worse it would have been if bicycles had been involved.
Think how much worse it would have been if bicycles had been involved. anotherfatslob
  • Score: -8

8:24am Wed 26 Mar 14

John T says...

'Meanwhile the driver of a Subaru car involved in the accident, a 28 year old man from Taunton, Somerset has been arrested on SUSPICION of causing death by dangerous driving.' 'Specially trained crash investigators spent hours at the scene to gather evidence...Dorset Police would like to thank all the people who were inconvenienced by this collision, while the road was closed for a full forensic investigation.;

Why are so many commenters on this site , who did not witness the accident, so quick to jump to conclusions before the facts are known? I suspect that many of them may be the same people who get impatient and criticise the Police for the length of time it takes them to fully investigate the cause of such accidents.
Either way, my condolences go to the family of the dead man, and I hope that, in due course, they get as satisfactory a closure as is possible, IF the Subaru driver, or indeed anyone else involved, is found guilty of an offence.
'Meanwhile the driver of a Subaru car involved in the accident, a 28 year old man from Taunton, Somerset has been arrested on SUSPICION of causing death by dangerous driving.' 'Specially trained crash investigators spent hours at the scene to gather evidence...Dorset Police would like to thank all the people who were inconvenienced by this collision, while the road was closed for a full forensic investigation.; Why are so many commenters on this site , who did not witness the accident, so quick to jump to conclusions before the facts are known? I suspect that many of them may be the same people who get impatient and criticise the Police for the length of time it takes them to fully investigate the cause of such accidents. Either way, my condolences go to the family of the dead man, and I hope that, in due course, they get as satisfactory a closure as is possible, IF the Subaru driver, or indeed anyone else involved, is found guilty of an offence. John T
  • Score: 3

8:33am Wed 26 Mar 14

poolesean says...

So so sad :'( for all whos been affected by this. Most of all to the poor young child who not only will be affected by being in this tragic accident but will spend her life being without her daddy & would of known the last moments :'( so wrong so sad. Thoughts to all and expescially the child & her mum ****
So so sad :'( for all whos been affected by this. Most of all to the poor young child who not only will be affected by being in this tragic accident but will spend her life being without her daddy & would of known the last moments :'( so wrong so sad. Thoughts to all and expescially the child & her mum **** poolesean
  • Score: 6

11:35am Wed 26 Mar 14

suzigirl says...

Stereotyped wrote:
tubsy wrote: Such a tragedy and, again, caused by the driver of a sports car. It's about time the police and DSA clamped down on the "fast & furious" car drivers. Make them do an advanced driving course before they are allowed behind the wheel of a car they clearly don't know how to drive.
Wow, what a ridiculous comment. I own a modified car and I drive it normally on the roads...unlike the 'sensible' people in their family cars who speed past me on a regular basis, or tail gate me... for the sake of what, getting to work 1 minute sooner? "Boy racer" is such a ludicrous stereotype. Just a couple of days ago I was tail gated by some idiot in a clapped out old car, he came racing up behind me in a 30mph limit and continued to slow down and speed right up behind me again... He had 2 kids in his car, about 6 years old I would say, neither of them had a seatbelt on. That's acceptable to you though, because it wasn't a sports car. Oh dear. RIP to the driver of the Skoda.
Totally agree with you - it has nothing to do with what car is driven - it is who is behind the wheel! When out on the motorbike I am afraid we look out for Micras and elderly people wearing hats and glasses and drivers who cannot see over the steering wheel!

My condolences to the family and I hope his wife and child recover soon - as for the driver I hope he gets what he deserves which should be a prison sentence at least although with our judicial system you never know!
[quote][p][bold]Stereotyped[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tubsy[/bold] wrote: Such a tragedy and, again, caused by the driver of a sports car. It's about time the police and DSA clamped down on the "fast & furious" car drivers. Make them do an advanced driving course before they are allowed behind the wheel of a car they clearly don't know how to drive.[/p][/quote]Wow, what a ridiculous comment. I own a modified car and I drive it normally on the roads...unlike the 'sensible' people in their family cars who speed past me on a regular basis, or tail gate me... for the sake of what, getting to work 1 minute sooner? "Boy racer" is such a ludicrous stereotype. Just a couple of days ago I was tail gated by some idiot in a clapped out old car, he came racing up behind me in a 30mph limit and continued to slow down and speed right up behind me again... He had 2 kids in his car, about 6 years old I would say, neither of them had a seatbelt on. That's acceptable to you though, because it wasn't a sports car. Oh dear. RIP to the driver of the Skoda.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you - it has nothing to do with what car is driven - it is who is behind the wheel! When out on the motorbike I am afraid we look out for Micras and elderly people wearing hats and glasses and drivers who cannot see over the steering wheel! My condolences to the family and I hope his wife and child recover soon - as for the driver I hope he gets what he deserves which should be a prison sentence at least although with our judicial system you never know! suzigirl
  • Score: -3

12:32pm Wed 26 Mar 14

rayc says...

There is a consultation taking place by the Government to increase the speed limit for HGV over 7.5t to 45mph or 50mph on single carriageway roads where the NSL applies. One of the reasons is that "They believe that the 40 mph speed limit causes unnecessary congestion, and increases crash risk because other drivers who are subject to a 50 mph or 60 mph speed limit on these roads, but are stuck behind HGVs adhering to their 40 mph speed limit, become frustrated and make unsafe overtaking manoeuvres. "
I cannot say whether this is a good or bad proposal but ROSPA have responded to the consultation and are against it.
http://www.rospa.com
/roadsafety/consulta
tions/2013/hgv-speed
-limits.pdf
There is a consultation taking place by the Government to increase the speed limit for HGV over 7.5t to 45mph or 50mph on single carriageway roads where the NSL applies. One of the reasons is that "They believe that the 40 mph speed limit causes unnecessary congestion, and increases crash risk because other drivers who are subject to a 50 mph or 60 mph speed limit on these roads, but are stuck behind HGVs adhering to their 40 mph speed limit, become frustrated and make unsafe overtaking manoeuvres. " I cannot say whether this is a good or bad proposal but ROSPA have responded to the consultation and are against it. http://www.rospa.com /roadsafety/consulta tions/2013/hgv-speed -limits.pdf rayc
  • Score: 0

7:53am Thu 27 Mar 14

dorsetspeed says...

rayc wrote:
There is a consultation taking place by the Government to increase the speed limit for HGV over 7.5t to 45mph or 50mph on single carriageway roads where the NSL applies. One of the reasons is that "They believe that the 40 mph speed limit causes unnecessary congestion, and increases crash risk because other drivers who are subject to a 50 mph or 60 mph speed limit on these roads, but are stuck behind HGVs adhering to their 40 mph speed limit, become frustrated and make unsafe overtaking manoeuvres. "
I cannot say whether this is a good or bad proposal but ROSPA have responded to the consultation and are against it.
http://www.rospa.com

/roadsafety/consulta

tions/2013/hgv-speed

-limits.pdf
ROSPA are basically "anti car", "anti lorry" anti anything that moves, this is why you will find misleading nonsense on their website like "The number of people killed and seriously injured fell by 50% at fixed sites and by 35% at mobile sites." when the reduction was actually due mostly to long term trend and regression to mean, not the camera.
[quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: There is a consultation taking place by the Government to increase the speed limit for HGV over 7.5t to 45mph or 50mph on single carriageway roads where the NSL applies. One of the reasons is that "They believe that the 40 mph speed limit causes unnecessary congestion, and increases crash risk because other drivers who are subject to a 50 mph or 60 mph speed limit on these roads, but are stuck behind HGVs adhering to their 40 mph speed limit, become frustrated and make unsafe overtaking manoeuvres. " I cannot say whether this is a good or bad proposal but ROSPA have responded to the consultation and are against it. http://www.rospa.com /roadsafety/consulta tions/2013/hgv-speed -limits.pdf[/p][/quote]ROSPA are basically "anti car", "anti lorry" anti anything that moves, this is why you will find misleading nonsense on their website like "The number of people killed and seriously injured fell by 50% at fixed sites and by 35% at mobile sites." when the reduction was actually due mostly to long term trend and regression to mean, not the camera. dorsetspeed
  • Score: -1

8:11am Thu 27 Mar 14

rayc says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
rayc wrote:
There is a consultation taking place by the Government to increase the speed limit for HGV over 7.5t to 45mph or 50mph on single carriageway roads where the NSL applies. One of the reasons is that "They believe that the 40 mph speed limit causes unnecessary congestion, and increases crash risk because other drivers who are subject to a 50 mph or 60 mph speed limit on these roads, but are stuck behind HGVs adhering to their 40 mph speed limit, become frustrated and make unsafe overtaking manoeuvres. "
I cannot say whether this is a good or bad proposal but ROSPA have responded to the consultation and are against it.
http://www.rospa.com


/roadsafety/consulta


tions/2013/hgv-speed


-limits.pdf
ROSPA are basically "anti car", "anti lorry" anti anything that moves, this is why you will find misleading nonsense on their website like "The number of people killed and seriously injured fell by 50% at fixed sites and by 35% at mobile sites." when the reduction was actually due mostly to long term trend and regression to mean, not the camera.
Perhaps but the bit I quoted was from the Government Consultation document.
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: There is a consultation taking place by the Government to increase the speed limit for HGV over 7.5t to 45mph or 50mph on single carriageway roads where the NSL applies. One of the reasons is that "They believe that the 40 mph speed limit causes unnecessary congestion, and increases crash risk because other drivers who are subject to a 50 mph or 60 mph speed limit on these roads, but are stuck behind HGVs adhering to their 40 mph speed limit, become frustrated and make unsafe overtaking manoeuvres. " I cannot say whether this is a good or bad proposal but ROSPA have responded to the consultation and are against it. http://www.rospa.com /roadsafety/consulta tions/2013/hgv-speed -limits.pdf[/p][/quote]ROSPA are basically "anti car", "anti lorry" anti anything that moves, this is why you will find misleading nonsense on their website like "The number of people killed and seriously injured fell by 50% at fixed sites and by 35% at mobile sites." when the reduction was actually due mostly to long term trend and regression to mean, not the camera.[/p][/quote]Perhaps but the bit I quoted was from the Government Consultation document. rayc
  • Score: -1

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