‘Desperate to eat’: ‘Starving’ homeless men forced to steal food from supermarkets while living on the street, court hears

Bournemouth Echo: ‘STARVING’: Filip Zwiercan who ‘stole so he could eat’ ‘STARVING’: Filip Zwiercan who ‘stole so he could eat’

‘STARVING’ homeless men were forced to steal food while living on the street in Bournemouth, a court has heard.

Filip Zwiercan, 36, and Stephen Smith, 42, admitted stealing chocolate and meat from Waitrose in Christchurch on March 2 this year.

Zwiercan, who is from Poland, also admitted a second charge of shoplifting chocolate from Asda in Poole on February 24.

But prior to being sentenced, magistrates heard that both men were “desperate” to eat.

Mitigating for Smith, duty solicitor James Moore said: “At the time of this offence, Mr Smith was homeless and without income.

“This is not a sophisticated offence.

“It is a desperate offence of two individuals who cannot feed themselves.”

He said that Smith is now living in Hope House, Bournemouth, a charity which offers supported housing to rough sleepers.

“These are men who cannot help themselves because they are starving,” Mr Moore said.

He added that the theft offence earlier this month is the last recorded against either of the men, who are both now in stable accommodation.

Smith has 42 convictions for 64 offences, many of which were committed because of his living situation and drug addiction, Mr Moore said.

Mitigating for Zwiercan, Harvey Withecombe said: “My client has been in the UK for about two years.

“Things were going well for him here – he was in employment, but unfortunately he lost his job because his contract came to an end.

“He ended up homeless and living on the street.

“He then lost his ID card, which prevented him from applying for benefits.”

However, Zwiercan’s card was handed in to the Polish embassy by a good Samaritan, he said, and the defendant is staying with a friend while he looks for work.

“He no longer has any reason to go out and steal property, and he hasn’t,” Mr Withecombe said.

“He has got no other issues with alcohol or drugs.

“The only issue he did have, which was the reason he committed the offences, is no longer there.”

Both men were sentenced to a 24-month conditional discharge and fined at Bournemouth Magistrates’ Court.

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12:32pm Mon 24 Mar 14

djd says...

And these are just two of the homeless and hungry we have in our area. How can people say there is no need for foodbanks ?
What a sad indictment on today's society that people are homeless and hungry.
And these are just two of the homeless and hungry we have in our area. How can people say there is no need for foodbanks ? What a sad indictment on today's society that people are homeless and hungry. djd
  • Score: 35

12:43pm Mon 24 Mar 14

beachcomber1 says...

my mate who works for one of the supermarkets says they chuck food away every night - it's sickening. to be fair they tried giving it to the needy until someone decided to sue them for the food being bad! so they stoppped.
my mate who works for one of the supermarkets says they chuck food away every night - it's sickening. to be fair they tried giving it to the needy until someone decided to sue them for the food being bad! so they stoppped. beachcomber1
  • Score: 49

12:43pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Controversial But True says...

From Bournemouth, yet choose to steal from a high class supermarket?? It's not like they're not going to be noticed!!!!
From Bournemouth, yet choose to steal from a high class supermarket?? It's not like they're not going to be noticed!!!! Controversial But True
  • Score: 25

12:45pm Mon 24 Mar 14

John T says...

Whilst I have no sympathy for Smith who apparently already 'has 42 convictions for 64 offences many of which were committed because of drug addiction', could I remind readers that supposedly 'we are all in this together'.... banks and food banks included!
Whilst I have no sympathy for Smith who apparently already 'has 42 convictions for 64 offences many of which were committed because of drug addiction', could I remind readers that supposedly 'we are all in this together'.... banks and food banks included! John T
  • Score: 11

12:50pm Mon 24 Mar 14

John T says...

And in other news, Eddie Jordan arrives in Poole to collect his £32 million yacht from Sunseeker!
And in other news, Eddie Jordan arrives in Poole to collect his £32 million yacht from Sunseeker! John T
  • Score: 33

12:55pm Mon 24 Mar 14

BIGTONE says...

What's wrong with the soup kitchens?
What's wrong with the soup kitchens? BIGTONE
  • Score: 17

1:01pm Mon 24 Mar 14

BmthNewshound says...

djd wrote:
And these are just two of the homeless and hungry we have in our area. How can people say there is no need for foodbanks ?
What a sad indictment on today's society that people are homeless and hungry.
These men would probably not qualify for assistance from a food bank because being homeless they are unlikely to be registered with the relevant agencies who issue the food bank tokens.
.
I do wonder about the intelligence of our magistrates - what is the point of issuing fines to people who have no money. If they had money they wouldn't have committed the crimes
[quote][p][bold]djd[/bold] wrote: And these are just two of the homeless and hungry we have in our area. How can people say there is no need for foodbanks ? What a sad indictment on today's society that people are homeless and hungry.[/p][/quote]These men would probably not qualify for assistance from a food bank because being homeless they are unlikely to be registered with the relevant agencies who issue the food bank tokens. . I do wonder about the intelligence of our magistrates - what is the point of issuing fines to people who have no money. If they had money they wouldn't have committed the crimes BmthNewshound
  • Score: 45

1:12pm Mon 24 Mar 14

manjon says...

Precious cargo! Multi-million pound Sunseeker yachts loaded onto transporter ship destined for Med, Eddie Jordan arrives in Poole to collect new £32million yacht from Sunseeker, ‘Desperate to eat’: ‘Starving’ homeless men forced to steal food from supermarkets while living on the street, yes Mr Cameron, we are all in it together, even Ringwood in the heart of conservative country they are feeling the pinch, "Police officers bitten during arrest outside Ringwood pub".
Precious cargo! Multi-million pound Sunseeker yachts loaded onto transporter ship destined for Med, Eddie Jordan arrives in Poole to collect new £32million yacht from Sunseeker, ‘Desperate to eat’: ‘Starving’ homeless men forced to steal food from supermarkets while living on the street, yes Mr Cameron, we are all in it together, even Ringwood in the heart of conservative country they are feeling the pinch, "Police officers bitten during arrest outside Ringwood pub". manjon
  • Score: 1

1:43pm Mon 24 Mar 14

BoscVegas says...

manjon wrote:
Precious cargo! Multi-million pound Sunseeker yachts loaded onto transporter ship destined for Med, Eddie Jordan arrives in Poole to collect new £32million yacht from Sunseeker, ‘Desperate to eat’: ‘Starving’ homeless men forced to steal food from supermarkets while living on the street, yes Mr Cameron, we are all in it together, even Ringwood in the heart of conservative country they are feeling the pinch, "Police officers bitten during arrest outside Ringwood pub".
we are all in it together but some of us are more in it than others.
[quote][p][bold]manjon[/bold] wrote: Precious cargo! Multi-million pound Sunseeker yachts loaded onto transporter ship destined for Med, Eddie Jordan arrives in Poole to collect new £32million yacht from Sunseeker, ‘Desperate to eat’: ‘Starving’ homeless men forced to steal food from supermarkets while living on the street, yes Mr Cameron, we are all in it together, even Ringwood in the heart of conservative country they are feeling the pinch, "Police officers bitten during arrest outside Ringwood pub".[/p][/quote]we are all in it together but some of us are more in it than others. BoscVegas
  • Score: 14

1:45pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Rach70 says...

firstly it makes me sick these people are able to find money for drugs or alcohol yet can't afford to feed themselves, secondly I work at a supermarket and the amount of food wasted is an actual sin, I just do not understand how this happens. It is down to these ridiculous "lets sue someone everytime something isn't just right" grrrrrr come on government/supermark
et boss whoever is in charge of these decisions to start using some good old common sense
firstly it makes me sick these people are able to find money for drugs or alcohol yet can't afford to feed themselves, secondly I work at a supermarket and the amount of food wasted is an actual sin, I just do not understand how this happens. It is down to these ridiculous "lets sue someone everytime something isn't just right" grrrrrr come on government/supermark et boss whoever is in charge of these decisions to start using some good old common sense Rach70
  • Score: 23

1:46pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Rach70 says...

And furthermore I think every time someone commits a crime no matter how small who isn't from UK they should automatically be sent back to their own country !
And furthermore I think every time someone commits a crime no matter how small who isn't from UK they should automatically be sent back to their own country ! Rach70
  • Score: 50

2:10pm Mon 24 Mar 14

TheDistrict says...

John T wrote:
And in other news, Eddie Jordan arrives in Poole to collect his £32 million yacht from Sunseeker!
As he not sat on his backside, stole, drink and drugs, NO, he made his money, and therefore deserves to spend it as he wishes.

There is no excuse for the above. If you want to work, and not take the road to steeling, drink and drugs, then find a job, earn your money. As was said, if you are short for food, there are food banks for that purpose, again why steel of someone else.
[quote][p][bold]John T[/bold] wrote: And in other news, Eddie Jordan arrives in Poole to collect his £32 million yacht from Sunseeker![/p][/quote]As he not sat on his backside, stole, drink and drugs, NO, he made his money, and therefore deserves to spend it as he wishes. There is no excuse for the above. If you want to work, and not take the road to steeling, drink and drugs, then find a job, earn your money. As was said, if you are short for food, there are food banks for that purpose, again why steel of someone else. TheDistrict
  • Score: 23

2:14pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Narwhal says...

Rach70 wrote:
And furthermore I think every time someone commits a crime no matter how small who isn't from UK they should automatically be sent back to their own country !
Being homeless isn't a crime, being a victim isn't a crime, being persecuted isn't a crime - but for many it can lead you into a descending spiral of drink, drugs and crime. Everyone deserves help and compassion now and again. Maybe these shops could reduce their 'shrinkage' by offering the waste food for the homeless.
Clearly this is not the land of milk and honey that many think!, one query thouhgh; why chocolate?
[quote][p][bold]Rach70[/bold] wrote: And furthermore I think every time someone commits a crime no matter how small who isn't from UK they should automatically be sent back to their own country ![/p][/quote]Being homeless isn't a crime, being a victim isn't a crime, being persecuted isn't a crime - but for many it can lead you into a descending spiral of drink, drugs and crime. Everyone deserves help and compassion now and again. Maybe these shops could reduce their 'shrinkage' by offering the waste food for the homeless. Clearly this is not the land of milk and honey that many think!, one query thouhgh; why chocolate? Narwhal
  • Score: 10

2:18pm Mon 24 Mar 14

John T says...

TheDistrict wrote:
John T wrote:
And in other news, Eddie Jordan arrives in Poole to collect his £32 million yacht from Sunseeker!
As he not sat on his backside, stole, drink and drugs, NO, he made his money, and therefore deserves to spend it as he wishes.

There is no excuse for the above. If you want to work, and not take the road to steeling, drink and drugs, then find a job, earn your money. As was said, if you are short for food, there are food banks for that purpose, again why steel of someone else.
The District
From your language, it would appear that your mum and dad were in the iron and steel business. Did your mother sit on her backside to iron and your father steal?!?
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T[/bold] wrote: And in other news, Eddie Jordan arrives in Poole to collect his £32 million yacht from Sunseeker![/p][/quote]As he not sat on his backside, stole, drink and drugs, NO, he made his money, and therefore deserves to spend it as he wishes. There is no excuse for the above. If you want to work, and not take the road to steeling, drink and drugs, then find a job, earn your money. As was said, if you are short for food, there are food banks for that purpose, again why steel of someone else.[/p][/quote]The District From your language, it would appear that your mum and dad were in the iron and steel business. Did your mother sit on her backside to iron and your father steal?!? John T
  • Score: -24

2:29pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Dave2207 says...

Instead of filling their veins with drugs and their stomachs with booze, these wasters should be given forced labour and made to give something back to society. There is plenty of litter (most probably dropped by them and their ilk) around Boscombe that these pests could be made to collect in return for food and accommodation. There is plenty of sand on the promenade that these idiots could sweep back onto the beach and make the place tidier. What's the point of a conditional discharge?
Instead of filling their veins with drugs and their stomachs with booze, these wasters should be given forced labour and made to give something back to society. There is plenty of litter (most probably dropped by them and their ilk) around Boscombe that these pests could be made to collect in return for food and accommodation. There is plenty of sand on the promenade that these idiots could sweep back onto the beach and make the place tidier. What's the point of a conditional discharge? Dave2207
  • Score: 12

2:36pm Mon 24 Mar 14

hadvar says...

Narwhal wrote:
Rach70 wrote:
And furthermore I think every time someone commits a crime no matter how small who isn't from UK they should automatically be sent back to their own country !
Being homeless isn't a crime, being a victim isn't a crime, being persecuted isn't a crime - but for many it can lead you into a descending spiral of drink, drugs and crime. Everyone deserves help and compassion now and again. Maybe these shops could reduce their 'shrinkage' by offering the waste food for the homeless.
Clearly this is not the land of milk and honey that many think!, one query thouhgh; why chocolate?
Why chocolate? Someone told them it was the land of 'Dairy Milk' and honey.
[quote][p][bold]Narwhal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rach70[/bold] wrote: And furthermore I think every time someone commits a crime no matter how small who isn't from UK they should automatically be sent back to their own country ![/p][/quote]Being homeless isn't a crime, being a victim isn't a crime, being persecuted isn't a crime - but for many it can lead you into a descending spiral of drink, drugs and crime. Everyone deserves help and compassion now and again. Maybe these shops could reduce their 'shrinkage' by offering the waste food for the homeless. Clearly this is not the land of milk and honey that many think!, one query thouhgh; why chocolate?[/p][/quote]Why chocolate? Someone told them it was the land of 'Dairy Milk' and honey. hadvar
  • Score: 7

2:46pm Mon 24 Mar 14

camvalley says...

John T wrote:
And in other news, Eddie Jordan arrives in Poole to collect his £32 million yacht from Sunseeker!
Point is ? one who has worked hard all his life ,and others ex alcoholics and druggies or a boat firm that is doing well and brings jobs to the area
[quote][p][bold]John T[/bold] wrote: And in other news, Eddie Jordan arrives in Poole to collect his £32 million yacht from Sunseeker![/p][/quote]Point is ? one who has worked hard all his life ,and others ex alcoholics and druggies or a boat firm that is doing well and brings jobs to the area camvalley
  • Score: 23

2:58pm Mon 24 Mar 14

John T says...

Narwhal wrote:
Rach70 wrote:
And furthermore I think every time someone commits a crime no matter how small who isn't from UK they should automatically be sent back to their own country !
Being homeless isn't a crime, being a victim isn't a crime, being persecuted isn't a crime - but for many it can lead you into a descending spiral of drink, drugs and crime. Everyone deserves help and compassion now and again. Maybe these shops could reduce their 'shrinkage' by offering the waste food for the homeless.
Clearly this is not the land of milk and honey that many think!, one query thouhgh; why chocolate?
'And all because the lady loves Milk Tray!'
[quote][p][bold]Narwhal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rach70[/bold] wrote: And furthermore I think every time someone commits a crime no matter how small who isn't from UK they should automatically be sent back to their own country ![/p][/quote]Being homeless isn't a crime, being a victim isn't a crime, being persecuted isn't a crime - but for many it can lead you into a descending spiral of drink, drugs and crime. Everyone deserves help and compassion now and again. Maybe these shops could reduce their 'shrinkage' by offering the waste food for the homeless. Clearly this is not the land of milk and honey that many think!, one query thouhgh; why chocolate?[/p][/quote]'And all because the lady loves Milk Tray!' John T
  • Score: 1

3:18pm Mon 24 Mar 14

pete woodley says...

42 convictions for 64 offences,he has been unlucky ?.
42 convictions for 64 offences,he has been unlucky ?. pete woodley
  • Score: 18

4:23pm Mon 24 Mar 14

djd says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
djd wrote:
And these are just two of the homeless and hungry we have in our area. How can people say there is no need for foodbanks ?
What a sad indictment on today's society that people are homeless and hungry.
These men would probably not qualify for assistance from a food bank because being homeless they are unlikely to be registered with the relevant agencies who issue the food bank tokens.
.
I do wonder about the intelligence of our magistrates - what is the point of issuing fines to people who have no money. If they had money they wouldn't have committed the crimes
The vouchers are issued by CABs, Big Issue, BH1, The Link and most Social Service Agencies and also churches and housing associations such as Hope House.
People don't have to be registered at foodbanks or elsewhere, they just have to show a need and a reason for wanting food. Homelessness in one reason.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]djd[/bold] wrote: And these are just two of the homeless and hungry we have in our area. How can people say there is no need for foodbanks ? What a sad indictment on today's society that people are homeless and hungry.[/p][/quote]These men would probably not qualify for assistance from a food bank because being homeless they are unlikely to be registered with the relevant agencies who issue the food bank tokens. . I do wonder about the intelligence of our magistrates - what is the point of issuing fines to people who have no money. If they had money they wouldn't have committed the crimes[/p][/quote]The vouchers are issued by CABs, Big Issue, BH1, The Link and most Social Service Agencies and also churches and housing associations such as Hope House. People don't have to be registered at foodbanks or elsewhere, they just have to show a need and a reason for wanting food. Homelessness in one reason. djd
  • Score: 13

4:25pm Mon 24 Mar 14

suzigirl says...

Rach70 wrote:
And furthermore I think every time someone commits a crime no matter how small who isn't from UK they should automatically be sent back to their own country !
You took the words out of my mouth!
[quote][p][bold]Rach70[/bold] wrote: And furthermore I think every time someone commits a crime no matter how small who isn't from UK they should automatically be sent back to their own country ![/p][/quote]You took the words out of my mouth! suzigirl
  • Score: 13

4:34pm Mon 24 Mar 14

saynomore says...

Maybe if the benefits were paid in food vouchers then these "poor starving people" would not spend the money on luxuries like booze ,fags and drugs.And they should look at the real starving human beings in other countries, stop making excuses.
Maybe if the benefits were paid in food vouchers then these "poor starving people" would not spend the money on luxuries like booze ,fags and drugs.And they should look at the real starving human beings in other countries, stop making excuses. saynomore
  • Score: 32

4:38pm Mon 24 Mar 14

ashleycross says...

So, stealing to order from Waitrose isn't something druggies do then?
So, stealing to order from Waitrose isn't something druggies do then? ashleycross
  • Score: 6

4:44pm Mon 24 Mar 14

notapeopleperson says...

well if the courts believe that story they will believe anything! they would of sold the meat and chocolate down the pub to fund their next hit
well if the courts believe that story they will believe anything! they would of sold the meat and chocolate down the pub to fund their next hit notapeopleperson
  • Score: 17

5:05pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Solentcherry says...

suzigirl wrote:
Rach70 wrote:
And furthermore I think every time someone commits a crime no matter how small who isn't from UK they should automatically be sent back to their own country !
You took the words out of my mouth!
Agree, I get the feeling that this is policy in a lot of countries , not the soft old UK of course. Hopefully , there was something in the conditional discharge that says if you reoffend , you're out.
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rach70[/bold] wrote: And furthermore I think every time someone commits a crime no matter how small who isn't from UK they should automatically be sent back to their own country ![/p][/quote]You took the words out of my mouth![/p][/quote]Agree, I get the feeling that this is policy in a lot of countries , not the soft old UK of course. Hopefully , there was something in the conditional discharge that says if you reoffend , you're out. Solentcherry
  • Score: 12

5:30pm Mon 24 Mar 14

djd says...

Solentcherry wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
Rach70 wrote:
And furthermore I think every time someone commits a crime no matter how small who isn't from UK they should automatically be sent back to their own country !
You took the words out of my mouth!
Agree, I get the feeling that this is policy in a lot of countries , not the soft old UK of course. Hopefully , there was something in the conditional discharge that says if you reoffend , you're out.
No, we're part of the good old EU and if they're a citizen of an EU country, we're lumbered whatever they do.
[quote][p][bold]Solentcherry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rach70[/bold] wrote: And furthermore I think every time someone commits a crime no matter how small who isn't from UK they should automatically be sent back to their own country ![/p][/quote]You took the words out of my mouth![/p][/quote]Agree, I get the feeling that this is policy in a lot of countries , not the soft old UK of course. Hopefully , there was something in the conditional discharge that says if you reoffend , you're out.[/p][/quote]No, we're part of the good old EU and if they're a citizen of an EU country, we're lumbered whatever they do. djd
  • Score: 7

5:42pm Mon 24 Mar 14

ShuttleX says...

Rach70 wrote:
And furthermore I think every time someone commits a crime no matter how small who isn't from UK they should automatically be sent back to their own country !
I assume you will agree that every British person abroad who commits a crime, no matter how small, will be send back here? I'm thinking along the lines of drunk and disorderly in say Magaluf.
[quote][p][bold]Rach70[/bold] wrote: And furthermore I think every time someone commits a crime no matter how small who isn't from UK they should automatically be sent back to their own country ![/p][/quote]I assume you will agree that every British person abroad who commits a crime, no matter how small, will be send back here? I'm thinking along the lines of drunk and disorderly in say Magaluf. ShuttleX
  • Score: 10

5:47pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Beach_Boy says...

Fact.. Homeless people receive benefits.
Fact.. Homeless people receive benefits. Beach_Boy
  • Score: 4

5:50pm Mon 24 Mar 14

ShuttleX says...

I can see the logic of Mr Zwiercan getting a Conditional Discharge, but certainly not Mr Smith. One has convictions going back years, the other none. One has the usual excuse of drink and drugs to explain why he is a thieving git, the other tried and failed to make ends meet. I'm not by nature a tolerant person to this sort of thing, but at least I would give Mr Zwiercan the benefit of the doubt. Mr Smith however, I would have locked up.
I can see the logic of Mr Zwiercan getting a Conditional Discharge, but certainly not Mr Smith. One has convictions going back years, the other none. One has the usual excuse of drink and drugs to explain why he is a thieving git, the other tried and failed to make ends meet. I'm not by nature a tolerant person to this sort of thing, but at least I would give Mr Zwiercan the benefit of the doubt. Mr Smith however, I would have locked up. ShuttleX
  • Score: 12

5:51pm Mon 24 Mar 14

ShuttleX says...

Beach_Boy wrote:
Fact.. Homeless people receive benefits.
Not if they don't have the relevant ID they don't.
[quote][p][bold]Beach_Boy[/bold] wrote: Fact.. Homeless people receive benefits.[/p][/quote]Not if they don't have the relevant ID they don't. ShuttleX
  • Score: 0

5:55pm Mon 24 Mar 14

stevobath says...

djd wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
djd wrote:
And these are just two of the homeless and hungry we have in our area. How can people say there is no need for foodbanks ?
What a sad indictment on today's society that people are homeless and hungry.
These men would probably not qualify for assistance from a food bank because being homeless they are unlikely to be registered with the relevant agencies who issue the food bank tokens.
.
I do wonder about the intelligence of our magistrates - what is the point of issuing fines to people who have no money. If they had money they wouldn't have committed the crimes
The vouchers are issued by CABs, Big Issue, BH1, The Link and most Social Service Agencies and also churches and housing associations such as Hope House.
People don't have to be registered at foodbanks or elsewhere, they just have to show a need and a reason for wanting food. Homelessness in one reason.
Yes,canned food is perfect for life on the street.
[quote][p][bold]djd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]djd[/bold] wrote: And these are just two of the homeless and hungry we have in our area. How can people say there is no need for foodbanks ? What a sad indictment on today's society that people are homeless and hungry.[/p][/quote]These men would probably not qualify for assistance from a food bank because being homeless they are unlikely to be registered with the relevant agencies who issue the food bank tokens. . I do wonder about the intelligence of our magistrates - what is the point of issuing fines to people who have no money. If they had money they wouldn't have committed the crimes[/p][/quote]The vouchers are issued by CABs, Big Issue, BH1, The Link and most Social Service Agencies and also churches and housing associations such as Hope House. People don't have to be registered at foodbanks or elsewhere, they just have to show a need and a reason for wanting food. Homelessness in one reason.[/p][/quote]Yes,canned food is perfect for life on the street. stevobath
  • Score: 9

5:58pm Mon 24 Mar 14

stevobath says...

saynomore wrote:
Maybe if the benefits were paid in food vouchers then these "poor starving people" would not spend the money on luxuries like booze ,fags and drugs.And they should look at the real starving human beings in other countries, stop making excuses.
Are you being obtuse, or just stupid?

READ the article. If you have no money, how can you spend it on 'luxuries'?
[quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: Maybe if the benefits were paid in food vouchers then these "poor starving people" would not spend the money on luxuries like booze ,fags and drugs.And they should look at the real starving human beings in other countries, stop making excuses.[/p][/quote]Are you being obtuse, or just stupid? READ the article. If you have no money, how can you spend it on 'luxuries'? stevobath
  • Score: -6

6:02pm Mon 24 Mar 14

stevobath says...

Beach_Boy wrote:
Fact.. Homeless people receive benefits.
Really?

When I was homeless I received NOTHING for nearly 6 months despite being very ill. I take it you've never been in that predicament?
[quote][p][bold]Beach_Boy[/bold] wrote: Fact.. Homeless people receive benefits.[/p][/quote]Really? When I was homeless I received NOTHING for nearly 6 months despite being very ill. I take it you've never been in that predicament? stevobath
  • Score: 10

6:04pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Beach_Boy says...

stevobath wrote:
Beach_Boy wrote:
Fact.. Homeless people receive benefits.
Really?

When I was homeless I received NOTHING for nearly 6 months despite being very ill. I take it you've never been in that predicament?
Yes I have. That's how I know. :)
[quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beach_Boy[/bold] wrote: Fact.. Homeless people receive benefits.[/p][/quote]Really? When I was homeless I received NOTHING for nearly 6 months despite being very ill. I take it you've never been in that predicament?[/p][/quote]Yes I have. That's how I know. :) Beach_Boy
  • Score: 2

6:14pm Mon 24 Mar 14

O'Reilly says...

notapeopleperson wrote:
well if the courts believe that story they will believe anything! they would of sold the meat and chocolate down the pub to fund their next hit
Got it in one...... I know, as I am continually pestered by these same people. It is also why you pay more for stuff in Sainsbury's Boscombe than say Somerford...
[quote][p][bold]notapeopleperson[/bold] wrote: well if the courts believe that story they will believe anything! they would of sold the meat and chocolate down the pub to fund their next hit[/p][/quote]Got it in one...... I know, as I am continually pestered by these same people. It is also why you pay more for stuff in Sainsbury's Boscombe than say Somerford... O'Reilly
  • Score: 7

7:17pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Ayles 10 says...

I have no sympathy for either of them and one thing doesn't make sense - surely if you're starving you'd steal something to fill you up instantly, such as ready made sandwiches, pasties, bread or cake. Why would you steal meat if you lived on the streets and had no method of cooking it???
I have no sympathy for either of them and one thing doesn't make sense - surely if you're starving you'd steal something to fill you up instantly, such as ready made sandwiches, pasties, bread or cake. Why would you steal meat if you lived on the streets and had no method of cooking it??? Ayles 10
  • Score: 9

7:41pm Mon 24 Mar 14

afcb-mark says...

One's a waste of space and the other a waste of money. If he has no job he should go back to Poland and get his own country to fund him. Bit harsh you might think, but hey, that's my view on it.
One's a waste of space and the other a waste of money. If he has no job he should go back to Poland and get his own country to fund him. Bit harsh you might think, but hey, that's my view on it. afcb-mark
  • Score: 17

8:14pm Mon 24 Mar 14

biffa78 says...

ShuttleX wrote:
Beach_Boy wrote:
Fact.. Homeless people receive benefits.
Not if they don't have the relevant ID they don't.
good! send him back to poland to claim his benefits!

OPPS i am sorry, he would not get help in poland cause they send them all over to england to claim for HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beach_Boy[/bold] wrote: Fact.. Homeless people receive benefits.[/p][/quote]Not if they don't have the relevant ID they don't.[/p][/quote]good! send him back to poland to claim his benefits! OPPS i am sorry, he would not get help in poland cause they send them all over to england to claim for HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! biffa78
  • Score: 5

8:50pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Tango Charlie says...

Ah, nice to see real Christian charity in action. All these nice, kind, compassionate people. Makes you glad to be British.
Ah, nice to see real Christian charity in action. All these nice, kind, compassionate people. Makes you glad to be British. Tango Charlie
  • Score: 2

10:51pm Mon 24 Mar 14

guisselle says...

No one should starve in this country although I know how hard it can be
if you are a single parent and your husband abandons you. I know that
in the 1940's people managed on very little as every one pulled together
and neighbours helped each other.
No one should starve in this country although I know how hard it can be if you are a single parent and your husband abandons you. I know that in the 1940's people managed on very little as every one pulled together and neighbours helped each other. guisselle
  • Score: 6

10:52pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Yankee1 says...

If anyone thinks the homeless do not know how to fiddle the system, they are naive.

These two just got lazy.
If anyone thinks the homeless do not know how to fiddle the system, they are naive. These two just got lazy. Yankee1
  • Score: 3

6:49am Tue 25 Mar 14

ctrewyou says...

Rach70 wrote:
And furthermore I think every time someone commits a crime no matter how small who isn't from UK they should automatically be sent back to their own country !
Quite right too. I cant wait for the outcry in the Mail every time an ex-pat living in Spain gets deported back to the UK for getting a speeding fine. But you're right, if you want to move to another country you have to obey the laws, Any crime, no matter how small. That'll show them.
[quote][p][bold]Rach70[/bold] wrote: And furthermore I think every time someone commits a crime no matter how small who isn't from UK they should automatically be sent back to their own country ![/p][/quote]Quite right too. I cant wait for the outcry in the Mail every time an ex-pat living in Spain gets deported back to the UK for getting a speeding fine. But you're right, if you want to move to another country you have to obey the laws, Any crime, no matter how small. That'll show them. ctrewyou
  • Score: 5

9:14am Tue 25 Mar 14

saynomore says...

stevobath wrote:
saynomore wrote:
Maybe if the benefits were paid in food vouchers then these "poor starving people" would not spend the money on luxuries like booze ,fags and drugs.And they should look at the real starving human beings in other countries, stop making excuses.
Are you being obtuse, or just stupid?

READ the article. If you have no money, how can you spend it on 'luxuries'?
This was a generalization which most people would have understood but there will always be one imbecile who will be incapable of reading the post properly Stevobath
[quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: Maybe if the benefits were paid in food vouchers then these "poor starving people" would not spend the money on luxuries like booze ,fags and drugs.And they should look at the real starving human beings in other countries, stop making excuses.[/p][/quote]Are you being obtuse, or just stupid? READ the article. If you have no money, how can you spend it on 'luxuries'?[/p][/quote]This was a generalization which most people would have understood but there will always be one imbecile who will be incapable of reading the post properly Stevobath saynomore
  • Score: 2

9:58am Tue 25 Mar 14

littlevoice234 says...

Dave2207 wrote:
Instead of filling their veins with drugs and their stomachs with booze, these wasters should be given forced labour and made to give something back to society. There is plenty of litter (most probably dropped by them and their ilk) around Boscombe that these pests could be made to collect in return for food and accommodation. There is plenty of sand on the promenade that these idiots could sweep back onto the beach and make the place tidier. What's the point of a conditional discharge?
Being homeless doesn't make these people 'wasters' or 'idiots'!! Anyone could find themselves homeless.. all it takes is a breakdown in relationship, job loss.
[quote][p][bold]Dave2207[/bold] wrote: Instead of filling their veins with drugs and their stomachs with booze, these wasters should be given forced labour and made to give something back to society. There is plenty of litter (most probably dropped by them and their ilk) around Boscombe that these pests could be made to collect in return for food and accommodation. There is plenty of sand on the promenade that these idiots could sweep back onto the beach and make the place tidier. What's the point of a conditional discharge?[/p][/quote]Being homeless doesn't make these people 'wasters' or 'idiots'!! Anyone could find themselves homeless.. all it takes is a breakdown in relationship, job loss. littlevoice234
  • Score: 1

10:02am Tue 25 Mar 14

littlevoice234 says...

Beach_Boy wrote:
Fact.. Homeless people receive benefits.
Not all of them.. not without an address. Some of the people that come over to work lose their job for what ever reason then they are not eligible for British benefits.. 'no recourse to public funds'. This means they are not allowed in the shelter either as they are not eligible for Housing Benefit.
[quote][p][bold]Beach_Boy[/bold] wrote: Fact.. Homeless people receive benefits.[/p][/quote]Not all of them.. not without an address. Some of the people that come over to work lose their job for what ever reason then they are not eligible for British benefits.. 'no recourse to public funds'. This means they are not allowed in the shelter either as they are not eligible for Housing Benefit. littlevoice234
  • Score: 3

10:02am Tue 25 Mar 14

littlevoice234 says...

Beach_Boy wrote:
Fact.. Homeless people receive benefits.
Not all of them.. not without an address. Some of the people that come over to work lose their job for what ever reason then they are not eligible for British benefits.. 'no recourse to public funds'. This means they are not allowed in the shelter either as they are not eligible for Housing Benefit.
[quote][p][bold]Beach_Boy[/bold] wrote: Fact.. Homeless people receive benefits.[/p][/quote]Not all of them.. not without an address. Some of the people that come over to work lose their job for what ever reason then they are not eligible for British benefits.. 'no recourse to public funds'. This means they are not allowed in the shelter either as they are not eligible for Housing Benefit. littlevoice234
  • Score: 2

10:31am Tue 25 Mar 14

Dibbles2 says...

There is quite a significant body of research on the subject of homelessness
as experienced by veterans of the UK Armed Forces. This provides for a good
understanding of both the size of the problem and the experiences of those involved.
The proportion of veterans among London’s single homeless population is estimated to
have fallen from above 20% in the mid to late 1990s, down to 6% in 2008. In terms of
the number of veterans, this is a reduction from an estimate of between 3
,
000 and 4
,
000
down to approximately 1,100. This has been attributed to a combination of reduced
output from the Armed Forces, improved Ministry of Defence (MoD) resettlement
provision and better intervention from ex-Service charities.
The characteristics, profile and experiences of homeless veterans are largely the same
as those of the wider homelessness population, although there are some notable
differences. Homeless veterans have been found on average to be older, have slept
rough for longer, be less likely to use drugs and more likely to have alcohol-related
problems. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) has been found among a small number
of homeless veterans although other non-military related mental health problems were
more common.

Next time you all call someone a waster STOP and THINK. Dont assume that because someone is homeless and drinks they have never amounted to anything. I know of at least 4 ex servicemen in Bournemouth sleeping rough. Please dont tar everyone with the same brush. These people are sleeping rough for a reason and may have been abused or suffered a marriage breakdown and lost everything and before anyone says they have been through the same and not gone down this road................
.....perhaps not everyone is as strong or has a support network.

Also on the subject of the food bank. Has anyone actually seen what you get? If you have no cooking facilities its useless. Im not knocking the food bank they do a great job. Also the soup kitchen is not open every day so yes people are starving in this country and they turn to booze and drugs to numb the pain of living the life they do.
There is quite a significant body of research on the subject of homelessness as experienced by veterans of the UK Armed Forces. This provides for a good understanding of both the size of the problem and the experiences of those involved. The proportion of veterans among London’s single homeless population is estimated to have fallen from above 20% in the mid to late 1990s, down to 6% in 2008. In terms of the number of veterans, this is a reduction from an estimate of between 3 , 000 and 4 , 000 down to approximately 1,100. This has been attributed to a combination of reduced output from the Armed Forces, improved Ministry of Defence (MoD) resettlement provision and better intervention from ex-Service charities. The characteristics, profile and experiences of homeless veterans are largely the same as those of the wider homelessness population, although there are some notable differences. Homeless veterans have been found on average to be older, have slept rough for longer, be less likely to use drugs and more likely to have alcohol-related problems. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) has been found among a small number of homeless veterans although other non-military related mental health problems were more common. Next time you all call someone a waster STOP and THINK. Dont assume that because someone is homeless and drinks they have never amounted to anything. I know of at least 4 ex servicemen in Bournemouth sleeping rough. Please dont tar everyone with the same brush. These people are sleeping rough for a reason and may have been abused or suffered a marriage breakdown and lost everything and before anyone says they have been through the same and not gone down this road................ .....perhaps not everyone is as strong or has a support network. Also on the subject of the food bank. Has anyone actually seen what you get? If you have no cooking facilities its useless. Im not knocking the food bank they do a great job. Also the soup kitchen is not open every day so yes people are starving in this country and they turn to booze and drugs to numb the pain of living the life they do. Dibbles2
  • Score: 3

10:51am Tue 25 Mar 14

TheDistrict says...

John T wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
John T wrote:
And in other news, Eddie Jordan arrives in Poole to collect his £32 million yacht from Sunseeker!
As he not sat on his backside, stole, drink and drugs, NO, he made his money, and therefore deserves to spend it as he wishes.

There is no excuse for the above. If you want to work, and not take the road to steeling, drink and drugs, then find a job, earn your money. As was said, if you are short for food, there are food banks for that purpose, again why steel of someone else.
The District
From your language, it would appear that your mum and dad were in the iron and steel business. Did your mother sit on her backside to iron and your father steal?!?
What a mundane response. My parents worked hard and long to ensure we were brought up to be like them, to educate, to work and above all not to break the law. How dare you, considering you do not know me or my parents that you can make an assumption, just on what I said. Pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]John T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T[/bold] wrote: And in other news, Eddie Jordan arrives in Poole to collect his £32 million yacht from Sunseeker![/p][/quote]As he not sat on his backside, stole, drink and drugs, NO, he made his money, and therefore deserves to spend it as he wishes. There is no excuse for the above. If you want to work, and not take the road to steeling, drink and drugs, then find a job, earn your money. As was said, if you are short for food, there are food banks for that purpose, again why steel of someone else.[/p][/quote]The District From your language, it would appear that your mum and dad were in the iron and steel business. Did your mother sit on her backside to iron and your father steal?!?[/p][/quote]What a mundane response. My parents worked hard and long to ensure we were brought up to be like them, to educate, to work and above all not to break the law. How dare you, considering you do not know me or my parents that you can make an assumption, just on what I said. Pathetic. TheDistrict
  • Score: -4

12:54pm Tue 25 Mar 14

stevobath says...

saynomore wrote:
stevobath wrote:
saynomore wrote:
Maybe if the benefits were paid in food vouchers then these "poor starving people" would not spend the money on luxuries like booze ,fags and drugs.And they should look at the real starving human beings in other countries, stop making excuses.
Are you being obtuse, or just stupid?

READ the article. If you have no money, how can you spend it on 'luxuries'?
This was a generalization which most people would have understood but there will always be one imbecile who will be incapable of reading the post properly Stevobath
Funny man.
[quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: Maybe if the benefits were paid in food vouchers then these "poor starving people" would not spend the money on luxuries like booze ,fags and drugs.And they should look at the real starving human beings in other countries, stop making excuses.[/p][/quote]Are you being obtuse, or just stupid? READ the article. If you have no money, how can you spend it on 'luxuries'?[/p][/quote]This was a generalization which most people would have understood but there will always be one imbecile who will be incapable of reading the post properly Stevobath[/p][/quote]Funny man. stevobath
  • Score: -3

1:03pm Tue 25 Mar 14

stevobath says...

Dibbles2 wrote:
There is quite a significant body of research on the subject of homelessness
as experienced by veterans of the UK Armed Forces. This provides for a good
understanding of both the size of the problem and the experiences of those involved.
The proportion of veterans among London’s single homeless population is estimated to
have fallen from above 20% in the mid to late 1990s, down to 6% in 2008. In terms of
the number of veterans, this is a reduction from an estimate of between 3
,
000 and 4
,
000
down to approximately 1,100. This has been attributed to a combination of reduced
output from the Armed Forces, improved Ministry of Defence (MoD) resettlement
provision and better intervention from ex-Service charities.
The characteristics, profile and experiences of homeless veterans are largely the same
as those of the wider homelessness population, although there are some notable
differences. Homeless veterans have been found on average to be older, have slept
rough for longer, be less likely to use drugs and more likely to have alcohol-related
problems. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) has been found among a small number
of homeless veterans although other non-military related mental health problems were
more common.

Next time you all call someone a waster STOP and THINK. Dont assume that because someone is homeless and drinks they have never amounted to anything. I know of at least 4 ex servicemen in Bournemouth sleeping rough. Please dont tar everyone with the same brush. These people are sleeping rough for a reason and may have been abused or suffered a marriage breakdown and lost everything and before anyone says they have been through the same and not gone down this road................

.....perhaps not everyone is as strong or has a support network.

Also on the subject of the food bank. Has anyone actually seen what you get? If you have no cooking facilities its useless. Im not knocking the food bank they do a great job. Also the soup kitchen is not open every day so yes people are starving in this country and they turn to booze and drugs to numb the pain of living the life they do.
Great measured & thoughtful comment, especially the point about 'support networks'.

People often don't see that having a few family members to visit etc can mean the difference between having a breakdown & disaster, for some or getting through a bad time.
As for the soup kitchen. When I was homeless & pretty destitute, I found the aggro & hassle that often went on at the soup kitchen made me feel even worse & more stressed. Not everyone is gregarious,loud & obnoxious when 'self medicating', especially when they are dealing with underlying mental health issues.
[quote][p][bold]Dibbles2[/bold] wrote: There is quite a significant body of research on the subject of homelessness as experienced by veterans of the UK Armed Forces. This provides for a good understanding of both the size of the problem and the experiences of those involved. The proportion of veterans among London’s single homeless population is estimated to have fallen from above 20% in the mid to late 1990s, down to 6% in 2008. In terms of the number of veterans, this is a reduction from an estimate of between 3 , 000 and 4 , 000 down to approximately 1,100. This has been attributed to a combination of reduced output from the Armed Forces, improved Ministry of Defence (MoD) resettlement provision and better intervention from ex-Service charities. The characteristics, profile and experiences of homeless veterans are largely the same as those of the wider homelessness population, although there are some notable differences. Homeless veterans have been found on average to be older, have slept rough for longer, be less likely to use drugs and more likely to have alcohol-related problems. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) has been found among a small number of homeless veterans although other non-military related mental health problems were more common. Next time you all call someone a waster STOP and THINK. Dont assume that because someone is homeless and drinks they have never amounted to anything. I know of at least 4 ex servicemen in Bournemouth sleeping rough. Please dont tar everyone with the same brush. These people are sleeping rough for a reason and may have been abused or suffered a marriage breakdown and lost everything and before anyone says they have been through the same and not gone down this road................ .....perhaps not everyone is as strong or has a support network. Also on the subject of the food bank. Has anyone actually seen what you get? If you have no cooking facilities its useless. Im not knocking the food bank they do a great job. Also the soup kitchen is not open every day so yes people are starving in this country and they turn to booze and drugs to numb the pain of living the life they do.[/p][/quote]Great measured & thoughtful comment, especially the point about 'support networks'. People often don't see that having a few family members to visit etc can mean the difference between having a breakdown & disaster, for some or getting through a bad time. As for the soup kitchen. When I was homeless & pretty destitute, I found the aggro & hassle that often went on at the soup kitchen made me feel even worse & more stressed. Not everyone is gregarious,loud & obnoxious when 'self medicating', especially when they are dealing with underlying mental health issues. stevobath
  • Score: 3

3:55pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Carl Baron says...

At least President Putin is prepared for War to ensure his people do NOT go without FOOD and HEAT unlike self-serving British MP's
The Ukraine is one of the Grain Bowls of Russia. What a difference in leadership and caring.
At least President Putin is prepared for War to ensure his people do NOT go without FOOD and HEAT unlike self-serving British MP's The Ukraine is one of the Grain Bowls of Russia. What a difference in leadership and caring. Carl Baron
  • Score: 2

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