‘Take £400k offer’ – councillors' message to Poole council as planning chiefs to decide on traveller sites

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A CRUNCH meeting that could effectively derail Borough of Poole’s plans for two contentious traveller camps takes place in eight days time.

The council’s planning committee is voting today on whether or not to back applications for two temporary stopping places at Creekmoor and Oakdale, but whatever is decided could find itself surplus to requirements if the full council then decides to accept the latest £400,000 offer made by property company Forelle Estates.

Follow live coverage from today's meeting at Poole Lighthouse Theatre here

The Poole company, that made an initial offer of £200,000 for the Marshes End site in Creekmoor, has upped the ante, the Daily Echo revealed yesterday.

Forelle’s managing director Michael Price says this final offer is now twice the level of an independent open market valuation for the Creekmoor plot.

The company, that owns the buildings Forelle House and Phoenix House next to the Marshes End site, wants to build new offices on the land. However, they say this offer only remains on the table until March 31.

Mr Price, in a letter to Borough of Poole’s strategic director Andrew Flockhart, reiterated his previous fears of “the alarming statistics of the level of offices in Poole being lost to residential use and not being replaced by any new office development.”

According to Mr Price – who says the new building could create up to 200 jobs - there are currently a number of office enquiries for Poole which are “presently unsatisfied” and that the current undersupply of quality modern office accommodation could represent an “economic time-bomb” for Poole.

Meanwhile, in a joint statement, Creekmoor’s three Conservative ward councillors Leslie Burden, Judy Butt, inset, and John Rampton say the council should take the offer and plough the funds back into buying or leasing more suitable land for a stopping site.

Marshes End is the larger of the two sites that Poole’s full council backed earlier this year. Although, in principal, there is nothing to stop the borough searching for an alternative, private sources close to the council fear the temporary stopping places proposals could be effectively over if Marshes End is ruled against.

The Forelle’s offer is the subject of a special council meeting debate at 5pm, March 28, Poole Civic Centre.

Value of stopping places

THE planning meeting taking place this morning at Poole’s Lighthouse Theatre has been lodged by the council’s own environmental and consumer protection services.

Committee members will be debating and voting on plans for two temporary stopping sites for travellers and gypsies. These two separate proposals are for 12 pitches at Marshes End, Creekmoor, and four pitches at land north of the B&Q car park, Broadstone Way.

Officials have argued that by having designated temporary stopping places within the borough, they hope to avoid a repeat of last summer that saw a number of unauthorised encampments encroach on the town’s parks and open spaces.

Dorset Police say they would be able to move on unauthorised encampments more swiftly, and with the powers of vehicle seizure behind them, if the borough had designated temporary stopping sites to direct travellers to.

Borough of Poole deputy leader Cllr Mike White, pictured left, said: “Members of the planning committee will consider these applications and all the relevant planning issues before making a decision on whether the two temporary stopping places can go ahead.”

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6:49am Thu 20 Mar 14

John T says...

Hasn't Judy Butt let Forelle Estates know that this is contaminated land that they are throwing their money at, and, bingo(!), is, therefore, an unsuitable place for hard-working people to be employed?
It is Forelle's dirty money that stinks!
Hasn't Judy Butt let Forelle Estates know that this is contaminated land that they are throwing their money at, and, bingo(!), is, therefore, an unsuitable place for hard-working people to be employed? It is Forelle's dirty money that stinks! John T
  • Score: -14

7:12am Thu 20 Mar 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Take the money and give the summer visitors the park and ride
Take the money and give the summer visitors the park and ride kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 0

7:17am Thu 20 Mar 14

kalebmoledirt says...

John T wrote:
Hasn't Judy Butt let Forelle Estates know that this is contaminated land that they are throwing their money at, and, bingo(!), is, therefore, an unsuitable place for hard-working people to be employed?
It is Forelle's dirty money that stinks!
That's their problem.sure they know what they are doing.
[quote][p][bold]John T[/bold] wrote: Hasn't Judy Butt let Forelle Estates know that this is contaminated land that they are throwing their money at, and, bingo(!), is, therefore, an unsuitable place for hard-working people to be employed? It is Forelle's dirty money that stinks![/p][/quote]That's their problem.sure they know what they are doing. kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 6

7:54am Thu 20 Mar 14

John T says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
John T wrote:
Hasn't Judy Butt let Forelle Estates know that this is contaminated land that they are throwing their money at, and, bingo(!), is, therefore, an unsuitable place for hard-working people to be employed?
It is Forelle's dirty money that stinks!
That's their problem.sure they know what they are doing.
Yes, so am I; they are using their money to override democracy....the story of Britain today!
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T[/bold] wrote: Hasn't Judy Butt let Forelle Estates know that this is contaminated land that they are throwing their money at, and, bingo(!), is, therefore, an unsuitable place for hard-working people to be employed? It is Forelle's dirty money that stinks![/p][/quote]That's their problem.sure they know what they are doing.[/p][/quote]Yes, so am I; they are using their money to override democracy....the story of Britain today! John T
  • Score: -13

7:55am Thu 20 Mar 14

muscliffman says...

As 'spanners' in Poole Borough's more 'liberal' minded Councillor's works go this £400,000 bid for their would be 'traveller' site is right up there with the best.

Surely on the basis of the Council's duty of obtaining maximum value for public assets this has now become a no-brainer, they have to now accept this (or any competitive higher offer) and sell the land.
As 'spanners' in Poole Borough's more 'liberal' minded Councillor's works go this £400,000 bid for their would be 'traveller' site is right up there with the best. Surely on the basis of the Council's duty of obtaining maximum value for public assets this has now become a no-brainer, they have to now accept this (or any competitive higher offer) and sell the land. muscliffman
  • Score: 4

8:15am Thu 20 Mar 14

BIGTONE says...

We shall see if the Council today,works for the financial benefit and best value for the taxpayers of Poole
We shall see if the Council today,works for the financial benefit and best value for the taxpayers of Poole BIGTONE
  • Score: 7

8:22am Thu 20 Mar 14

Speedymax says...

John T wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
John T wrote:
Hasn't Judy Butt let Forelle Estates know that this is contaminated land that they are throwing their money at, and, bingo(!), is, therefore, an unsuitable place for hard-working people to be employed?
It is Forelle's dirty money that stinks!
That's their problem.sure they know what they are doing.
Yes, so am I; they are using their money to override democracy....the story of Britain today!
How exactly is there offer overriding democracy? Isn't this whole article about the fact that the council will meet to discuss the offer and decide to accept or not. Surely that's democracy in action.
[quote][p][bold]John T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T[/bold] wrote: Hasn't Judy Butt let Forelle Estates know that this is contaminated land that they are throwing their money at, and, bingo(!), is, therefore, an unsuitable place for hard-working people to be employed? It is Forelle's dirty money that stinks![/p][/quote]That's their problem.sure they know what they are doing.[/p][/quote]Yes, so am I; they are using their money to override democracy....the story of Britain today![/p][/quote]How exactly is there offer overriding democracy? Isn't this whole article about the fact that the council will meet to discuss the offer and decide to accept or not. Surely that's democracy in action. Speedymax
  • Score: 8

8:22am Thu 20 Mar 14

MotorbikeSam says...

John T wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
John T wrote:
Hasn't Judy Butt let Forelle Estates know that this is contaminated land that they are throwing their money at, and, bingo(!), is, therefore, an unsuitable place for hard-working people to be employed?
It is Forelle's dirty money that stinks!
That's their problem.sure they know what they are doing.
Yes, so am I; they are using their money to override democracy....the story of Britain today!
Overriding democracy.... the people have spoken and they don't want it in Creekmoor !!
[quote][p][bold]John T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T[/bold] wrote: Hasn't Judy Butt let Forelle Estates know that this is contaminated land that they are throwing their money at, and, bingo(!), is, therefore, an unsuitable place for hard-working people to be employed? It is Forelle's dirty money that stinks![/p][/quote]That's their problem.sure they know what they are doing.[/p][/quote]Yes, so am I; they are using their money to override democracy....the story of Britain today![/p][/quote]Overriding democracy.... the people have spoken and they don't want it in Creekmoor !! MotorbikeSam
  • Score: 5

8:47am Thu 20 Mar 14

kazza98765 says...

hmmm let me think carefully about this, propose a travellers site where normally there would be no chance of planning permission for anything, people get up in arms as they don't want a travellers site so the other option is allow planning permission to build something or other there. Same thing happened in Grange Road in Christchurch and now the residents are complaining about that. At the end of the day nothing should be built on contaminated land and people should not be made to live or work there. It would seem Poole council are using the traveller debate for their own means, basically make money and show the government they are doing something about the travellers even if it is completely the wrong thing. If they spoke to the right people they would get an outcome which benefits everyone but no they want to benefit themselves
hmmm let me think carefully about this, propose a travellers site where normally there would be no chance of planning permission for anything, people get up in arms as they don't want a travellers site so the other option is allow planning permission to build something or other there. Same thing happened in Grange Road in Christchurch and now the residents are complaining about that. At the end of the day nothing should be built on contaminated land and people should not be made to live or work there. It would seem Poole council are using the traveller debate for their own means, basically make money and show the government they are doing something about the travellers even if it is completely the wrong thing. If they spoke to the right people they would get an outcome which benefits everyone but no they want to benefit themselves kazza98765
  • Score: 2

8:48am Thu 20 Mar 14

Carolyn43 says...

John T wrote:
Hasn't Judy Butt let Forelle Estates know that this is contaminated land that they are throwing their money at, and, bingo(!), is, therefore, an unsuitable place for hard-working people to be employed?
It is Forelle's dirty money that stinks!
They already know because their existing offices are on contaminated land, but have detectors and alarms inside the buildings. The travellers site will not have these.
....
Interestingly Judy Butt was on Solent radio this morning and was asked about her sacking from the cabinet. She said that her letter of dismissal states that she was sacked for representing her residents. Does Atkinson realise that she has therefore admitted that she does not represent the residents in her ward and has deprived them of their democratic rights?
[quote][p][bold]John T[/bold] wrote: Hasn't Judy Butt let Forelle Estates know that this is contaminated land that they are throwing their money at, and, bingo(!), is, therefore, an unsuitable place for hard-working people to be employed? It is Forelle's dirty money that stinks![/p][/quote]They already know because their existing offices are on contaminated land, but have detectors and alarms inside the buildings. The travellers site will not have these. .... Interestingly Judy Butt was on Solent radio this morning and was asked about her sacking from the cabinet. She said that her letter of dismissal states that she was sacked for representing her residents. Does Atkinson realise that she has therefore admitted that she does not represent the residents in her ward and has deprived them of their democratic rights? Carolyn43
  • Score: 6

9:44am Thu 20 Mar 14

Townee says...

How about using the car park where the councillors park for the travels temporary site? That way they have what they want a site so they can move them on if they park in public car parks and it won't cost anything. The only ones inconvenienced would be the people who's wages we pay and who expect a privileged parking space.
How about using the car park where the councillors park for the travels temporary site? That way they have what they want a site so they can move them on if they park in public car parks and it won't cost anything. The only ones inconvenienced would be the people who's wages we pay and who expect a privileged parking space. Townee
  • Score: -4

10:29am Thu 20 Mar 14

Tony Trent says...

I am amazed that "mob rule" can back a proposal without question that is so close to being a dodgy deal. Do people not see that this is an attempt to buy off the Council. If this offer were to enable something residents opposed it would be a different story. This sets a precedent that if it went ahead would open the flood gates to further "offers". As a matter of interest I would suggest that people look into the small print of the budget at self build proposals. I see another flood gate opening if that goes ahead un-modified. Probably won't be of interest to most people as it is not something on their doorstep yet. Herein lies a problem!
I am amazed that "mob rule" can back a proposal without question that is so close to being a dodgy deal. Do people not see that this is an attempt to buy off the Council. If this offer were to enable something residents opposed it would be a different story. This sets a precedent that if it went ahead would open the flood gates to further "offers". As a matter of interest I would suggest that people look into the small print of the budget at self build proposals. I see another flood gate opening if that goes ahead un-modified. Probably won't be of interest to most people as it is not something on their doorstep yet. Herein lies a problem! Tony Trent
  • Score: -1

11:51am Thu 20 Mar 14

Tony Trent says...

I wonder whether the £400K offer still stands? This will flush out the real motive now planning permission has not been given. They might have opened a can of worms with this offer. I would personally want to hold back some land for a future bus link - but that's another debate!
I wonder whether the £400K offer still stands? This will flush out the real motive now planning permission has not been given. They might have opened a can of worms with this offer. I would personally want to hold back some land for a future bus link - but that's another debate! Tony Trent
  • Score: 0

4:19pm Thu 20 Mar 14

kangaroo_joey says...

And as a local resident I would rather have offices there than a travellers site, even if it is dodgy
And as a local resident I would rather have offices there than a travellers site, even if it is dodgy kangaroo_joey
  • Score: 0

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