Woman told she can keep illegal dog, if she complies with strict ownership rules

Bournemouth Echo: ABSOLUTE DISCHARGE: Jade Leight Wright, who can keep her illegal breed dog ABSOLUTE DISCHARGE: Jade Leight Wright, who can keep her illegal breed dog

A 19-YEAR-old woman has been told her pit-bull will not be put down if she complies with strict ownership rules.

Jade Leigh Wright, of the YMCA, Westover Road, Bournemouth, appeared at Bournemouth Magistrates' Court jointly charged with her former boyfriend Jason Egan, 32, who appeared on videolink from HMP High Down, where he is currently serving a sentence for another offence.

The court heard that police officers discovered the illegal dog when they searched the couple’s address for a misuse of drugs warrant in July, 2013.

The dog, called Hitch, was seized and sent to PC Mark Spearing’s specialist dog unit where he assessed whether the dog was an illegal breed under the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991.

As an expert in dog legislation and a dog handler PC Spearing found that Hitch was a prohibited pit-bull terrier dog.

The court heard how the officer did not deem the dog to be a ‘danger to the public’ and that under tests carried out the dog showed it had good temperament and did not display any signs of aggression or violence.

After hearing this evidence, magistrates judged that Jade Leigh Wright could keep her dog Hitch -  if she obeyed to all conditions of a Contingent Destruction Order.

She was told that she must obey various conditions such as her dog must be muzzled, neutered, sprayed, micro-chipped and able to be kept securely when in public.

If Wright does not complete all of the stipulations in 60 days the dog was be put down.

In defence, Brendan Allen said that Wright had no idea that the dog was a prohibited dog and told the court that she and Egan has purchased the dog for £60 from a homeless man and believed it was a Staffy-cross mastiff.

Egon’s solicitor told the court that his defendent was relinquishing ownership of the dog.

The costs to Wright for carrying out the order were said to be £886 and she was not asked to pay any further costs.

Wright was given an absolute discharge for the offence.

 

Dorset's dangerous dogs

SIXTY dogs assessed were found to be a banned type of dog in Dorset last year. 
PC Spearing and his colleague assessed the dogs and confirmed they were not illegal under the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991.
Around another 60 dogs were classed as being dangerous
.
PC Spearing said: “Any type of dog could potentially be a dangerous dog, it is not just certain breeds.
“Dog owners need to be responsible at all times if they are in charge of a dog.”

 

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2:00pm Mon 17 Mar 14

doombadger says...

This is such good news. Pit Bulls are no more aggressive or dangerous than any other breed. it's down to the owners and how they raise the animal. These guys have clearly done a wonderful job raising Hitch as he has "good temperament" and is not aggressive.

I just hope his owner is able to find the £886.
This is such good news. Pit Bulls are no more aggressive or dangerous than any other breed. it's down to the owners and how they raise the animal. These guys have clearly done a wonderful job raising Hitch as he has "good temperament" and is not aggressive. I just hope his owner is able to find the £886. doombadger
  • Score: -23

2:04pm Mon 17 Mar 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Since when have you been allowed to keep a dog in the YMCA,much less a dangerous breed.Do we imagine she will comply with the court order??
Since when have you been allowed to keep a dog in the YMCA,much less a dangerous breed.Do we imagine she will comply with the court order?? kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 38

2:23pm Mon 17 Mar 14

O'Reilly says...

YMCA....? Shouldn't she be at the YWCA?
YMCA....? Shouldn't she be at the YWCA? O'Reilly
  • Score: 3

2:54pm Mon 17 Mar 14

kalebmoledirt says...

doombadger wrote:
This is such good news. Pit Bulls are no more aggressive or dangerous than any other breed. it's down to the owners and how they raise the animal. These guys have clearly done a wonderful job raising Hitch as he has "good temperament" and is not aggressive.

I just hope his owner is able to find the £886.
Think you'll find that if the money is found it will come from the tax payer via benifits
[quote][p][bold]doombadger[/bold] wrote: This is such good news. Pit Bulls are no more aggressive or dangerous than any other breed. it's down to the owners and how they raise the animal. These guys have clearly done a wonderful job raising Hitch as he has "good temperament" and is not aggressive. I just hope his owner is able to find the £886.[/p][/quote]Think you'll find that if the money is found it will come from the tax payer via benifits kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 9

2:57pm Mon 17 Mar 14

MaxReturn says...

I don't think I have read such utter twaddle as this police dog expert has come out with. Pit Bulls were bred as fighting dogs. You only have to look up Dangerous Dogs on the Internet to see what damage these dogs do. That is why they are illegal. But the owner is being allowed to keep it illegally. I think I'll keep my car on the road with no road tax. It's illegal but I'll ensure it doesn't harm anybody. While the breeds of dog depicted as dangerous dogs on the Internet website are dangerous it is the breed of fog which us dangerous. This policeman is an idiot if he wants to go against the evidence. But then the court did so. My advice is go equipped to protect yourself. Neither the police nor the courts are doing so.
I don't think I have read such utter twaddle as this police dog expert has come out with. Pit Bulls were bred as fighting dogs. You only have to look up Dangerous Dogs on the Internet to see what damage these dogs do. That is why they are illegal. But the owner is being allowed to keep it illegally. I think I'll keep my car on the road with no road tax. It's illegal but I'll ensure it doesn't harm anybody. While the breeds of dog depicted as dangerous dogs on the Internet website are dangerous it is the breed of fog which us dangerous. This policeman is an idiot if he wants to go against the evidence. But then the court did so. My advice is go equipped to protect yourself. Neither the police nor the courts are doing so. MaxReturn
  • Score: 19

3:03pm Mon 17 Mar 14

recce45 says...

We haven't moved on much if were still judging some one / thing by what it looks like . Pitbulls are not more dangerous than any other breed. Just unfortunately chavs /scum use them for fighting . But we live in such ignorance that its easier to blame the breed. I was once mugged by a black guy so does that mean all blacks are bad. ?? Your a product of your environment . How ignorant /stupid do you have to be to think something is born bad!! . And for the `bred to fight` brigade. Again more rubbish... You should be worried about getting glassed , bottled , stamped on in a night down town. People are beyond stupid!!
We haven't moved on much if were still judging some one / thing by what it looks like . Pitbulls are not more dangerous than any other breed. Just unfortunately chavs /scum use them for fighting . But we live in such ignorance that its easier to blame the breed. I was once mugged by a black guy so does that mean all blacks are bad. ?? Your a product of your environment . How ignorant /stupid do you have to be to think something is born bad!! . And for the `bred to fight` brigade. Again more rubbish... You should be worried about getting glassed , bottled , stamped on in a night down town. People are beyond stupid!! recce45
  • Score: 2

3:13pm Mon 17 Mar 14

SwivelEyedLoon says...

Excellent news and for those who'd rather scaremonger than search out the facts about this breed the United Kennel Club (who I'd say know a thing or two about dogs) describes it as follows

The essential characteristics of the American Pit Bull Terrier are strength, confidence, and zest for life. This breed is eager to please and brimming over with enthusiasm. APBTs make excellent family companions and have always been noted for their love of children. Because most APBTs exhibit some level of dog aggression and because of its powerful physique, the APBT requires an owner who will carefully socialize and obedience train the dog. The breed’s natural agility makes it one of the most capable canine climbers so good fencing is a must for this breed. The APBT is not the best choice for a guard dog since they are extremely friendly, even with strangers. Aggressive behavior toward humans is uncharacteristic of the breed and highly undesirable. This breed does very well in performance events because of its high level of intelligence and its willingness to work.

There's no such thing as a bad dog just bad dog owners.
Excellent news and for those who'd rather scaremonger than search out the facts about this breed the United Kennel Club (who I'd say know a thing or two about dogs) describes it as follows The essential characteristics of the American Pit Bull Terrier are strength, confidence, and zest for life. This breed is eager to please and brimming over with enthusiasm. APBTs make excellent family companions and have always been noted for their love of children. Because most APBTs exhibit some level of dog aggression and because of its powerful physique, the APBT requires an owner who will carefully socialize and obedience train the dog. The breed’s natural agility makes it one of the most capable canine climbers so good fencing is a must for this breed. The APBT is not the best choice for a guard dog since they are extremely friendly, even with strangers. Aggressive behavior toward humans is uncharacteristic of the breed and highly undesirable. This breed does very well in performance events because of its high level of intelligence and its willingness to work. There's no such thing as a bad dog just bad dog owners. SwivelEyedLoon
  • Score: 7

3:42pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Old Colonial says...

"There's no such thing as a bad dog just bad dog owners."

Maybe, just maybe, that is the concern of others expressed in these posts.
"There's no such thing as a bad dog just bad dog owners." Maybe, just maybe, that is the concern of others expressed in these posts. Old Colonial
  • Score: 7

3:47pm Mon 17 Mar 14

MaxReturn says...

Two comments from blind or illiterate people who cannot read. The evidence is there for the unbiased to see. There are dogs which should never be permitted in a domestic environment. How many more innocent people are going to be injured and maimed by these dogs before they are eliminated from society. Just read the Dangerous Dogs web page and look at the injuries then tell me it's not the dog to blame!
Two comments from blind or illiterate people who cannot read. The evidence is there for the unbiased to see. There are dogs which should never be permitted in a domestic environment. How many more innocent people are going to be injured and maimed by these dogs before they are eliminated from society. Just read the Dangerous Dogs web page and look at the injuries then tell me it's not the dog to blame! MaxReturn
  • Score: 3

3:49pm Mon 17 Mar 14

speedy231278 says...

So, we are now allowed to be caught breaking the law as long as we don't hurt people in the process? I assume then, all speeding tickets will be rescinded, traffic wardens will be abolished, etc.....?

Regardless of how asinine the dangerous dogs act may be, this appears to be a statement that if you disagree with it, never mind, as long as the dog is question seems to be placid. I wonder what will happen to the person ruling on this should said dog have a change of temperament and savage something?
So, we are now allowed to be caught breaking the law as long as we don't hurt people in the process? I assume then, all speeding tickets will be rescinded, traffic wardens will be abolished, etc.....? Regardless of how asinine the dangerous dogs act may be, this appears to be a statement that if you disagree with it, never mind, as long as the dog is question seems to be placid. I wonder what will happen to the person ruling on this should said dog have a change of temperament and savage something? speedy231278
  • Score: 12

3:56pm Mon 17 Mar 14

recce45 says...

Maxreturn. Higher % of blacks commit violent crime. Does this make them born to be bad or just a product of their environment which tends to be poor and surrounded by violence. Ignorance is Bliss eh max. .
Maxreturn. Higher % of blacks commit violent crime. Does this make them born to be bad or just a product of their environment which tends to be poor and surrounded by violence. Ignorance is Bliss eh max. . recce45
  • Score: -4

5:23pm Mon 17 Mar 14

i have heard it all now says...

Shoot the Dog
Shoot the Dog i have heard it all now
  • Score: -3

6:00pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes says...

i have heard it all now wrote:
Shoot the Dog
How ironic.
[quote][p][bold]i have heard it all now[/bold] wrote: Shoot the Dog[/p][/quote]How ironic. Bournesouthmouth Downpokes
  • Score: -8

6:16pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Marcus James says...

I hope that this Policeman and the Judge will both be prosecuted if this dog should happen to attack anyone.
I saw this girl with the dog last Sunday in Bournemouth by McDonalds, the young lady was clearly unde the influence of something and was semi awake, the dog was sat in front of her unsupervised.
I am sure the Dorset Police can check the CCTV to see the same.
I know that the breed get a bad rap and that to be fair the dog may well be placid but why have a Legal Law set that bans the ownership of the breed if this can be flouted when the law chooses.
I hope that this Policeman and the Judge will both be prosecuted if this dog should happen to attack anyone. I saw this girl with the dog last Sunday in Bournemouth by McDonalds, the young lady was clearly unde the influence of something and was semi awake, the dog was sat in front of her unsupervised. I am sure the Dorset Police can check the CCTV to see the same. I know that the breed get a bad rap and that to be fair the dog may well be placid but why have a Legal Law set that bans the ownership of the breed if this can be flouted when the law chooses. Marcus James
  • Score: 22

7:00pm Mon 17 Mar 14

camokieren says...

MaxReturn wrote:
Two comments from blind or illiterate people who cannot read. The evidence is there for the unbiased to see. There are dogs which should never be permitted in a domestic environment. How many more innocent people are going to be injured and maimed by these dogs before they are eliminated from society. Just read the Dangerous Dogs web page and look at the injuries then tell me it's not the dog to blame!
so when are we going to ban "yappy dogs" the amount of times iv been bitten by lhassa's and JRT jet nothing in the press about them. Pits like any other dog can be great dogs as long as the owner isn't a idiot
[quote][p][bold]MaxReturn[/bold] wrote: Two comments from blind or illiterate people who cannot read. The evidence is there for the unbiased to see. There are dogs which should never be permitted in a domestic environment. How many more innocent people are going to be injured and maimed by these dogs before they are eliminated from society. Just read the Dangerous Dogs web page and look at the injuries then tell me it's not the dog to blame![/p][/quote]so when are we going to ban "yappy dogs" the amount of times iv been bitten by lhassa's and JRT jet nothing in the press about them. Pits like any other dog can be great dogs as long as the owner isn't a idiot camokieren
  • Score: -1

7:01pm Mon 17 Mar 14

camokieren says...

i have heard it all now wrote:
Shoot the Dog
what about shooting you for this comment grow up and read about the breed. You dont blame the gun for shooting someone or the car for hitting someone you blame the person in control. The same with a dog.
[quote][p][bold]i have heard it all now[/bold] wrote: Shoot the Dog[/p][/quote]what about shooting you for this comment grow up and read about the breed. You dont blame the gun for shooting someone or the car for hitting someone you blame the person in control. The same with a dog. camokieren
  • Score: 4

7:10pm Mon 17 Mar 14

KitKatPuss says...

MaxReturn wrote:
I don't think I have read such utter twaddle as this police dog expert has come out with. Pit Bulls were bred as fighting dogs. You only have to look up Dangerous Dogs on the Internet to see what damage these dogs do. That is why they are illegal. But the owner is being allowed to keep it illegally. I think I'll keep my car on the road with no road tax. It's illegal but I'll ensure it doesn't harm anybody. While the breeds of dog depicted as dangerous dogs on the Internet website are dangerous it is the breed of fog which us dangerous. This policeman is an idiot if he wants to go against the evidence. But then the court did so. My advice is go equipped to protect yourself. Neither the police nor the courts are doing so.
Really?? I think you'll find that pit bulls were also bred for herding livestock and as family companions/protector
s. Pit Bulls are on the banned dog list in the UK but there is something called the List of Exempted Dogs within the Dangerous Dogs Act whereby a dog who is classed as 'banned' but shows no aggressive tendancy can live under strict controls such being muzzled and always on a lead in public. Therefore what the court has decided is not illegal so do your research first!
[quote][p][bold]MaxReturn[/bold] wrote: I don't think I have read such utter twaddle as this police dog expert has come out with. Pit Bulls were bred as fighting dogs. You only have to look up Dangerous Dogs on the Internet to see what damage these dogs do. That is why they are illegal. But the owner is being allowed to keep it illegally. I think I'll keep my car on the road with no road tax. It's illegal but I'll ensure it doesn't harm anybody. While the breeds of dog depicted as dangerous dogs on the Internet website are dangerous it is the breed of fog which us dangerous. This policeman is an idiot if he wants to go against the evidence. But then the court did so. My advice is go equipped to protect yourself. Neither the police nor the courts are doing so.[/p][/quote]Really?? I think you'll find that pit bulls were also bred for herding livestock and as family companions/protector s. Pit Bulls are on the banned dog list in the UK but there is something called the List of Exempted Dogs within the Dangerous Dogs Act whereby a dog who is classed as 'banned' but shows no aggressive tendancy can live under strict controls such being muzzled and always on a lead in public. Therefore what the court has decided is not illegal so do your research first! KitKatPuss
  • Score: 0

7:13pm Mon 17 Mar 14

KitKatPuss says...

MaxReturn wrote:
Two comments from blind or illiterate people who cannot read. The evidence is there for the unbiased to see. There are dogs which should never be permitted in a domestic environment. How many more innocent people are going to be injured and maimed by these dogs before they are eliminated from society. Just read the Dangerous Dogs web page and look at the injuries then tell me it's not the dog to blame!
Dogs are NOT born aggressive......the same as murderers are not born killing people as soon as they exit the womb!! It is HUMANS who looks after dogs....and unfortunately some very ignorant and stupid HUMANS who mistreat a dog, train a dog to fight etc etc that cause some dogs to exhibit aggressive behaviours......I've worked with a pit bull and you were more at risk from being licked to death.....it's just plain ignorance and people jumping on the press bandwagon about dangerous dogs....pftttt.
[quote][p][bold]MaxReturn[/bold] wrote: Two comments from blind or illiterate people who cannot read. The evidence is there for the unbiased to see. There are dogs which should never be permitted in a domestic environment. How many more innocent people are going to be injured and maimed by these dogs before they are eliminated from society. Just read the Dangerous Dogs web page and look at the injuries then tell me it's not the dog to blame![/p][/quote]Dogs are NOT born aggressive......the same as murderers are not born killing people as soon as they exit the womb!! It is HUMANS who looks after dogs....and unfortunately some very ignorant and stupid HUMANS who mistreat a dog, train a dog to fight etc etc that cause some dogs to exhibit aggressive behaviours......I've worked with a pit bull and you were more at risk from being licked to death.....it's just plain ignorance and people jumping on the press bandwagon about dangerous dogs....pftttt. KitKatPuss
  • Score: -6

7:28pm Mon 17 Mar 14

KitKatPuss says...

Also people should educate themselves on the actual Dangerous Dogs Act which does not just cover the four banned breeds here in the UK but prohibits ANY DOG being out of control in a public area......I currently have a dog with behavioural problems cause by HUMANS....we have no court order but because I am a responsible owner my dog is always muzzled, doubled leaded and wears a special coat saying 'I Need Space'.....for reference he is a Shar Pei x Staffy.....and I do keep him under control.....it is down to irresponsible and ignorant owners....it is not the dogs fault!
Also people should educate themselves on the actual Dangerous Dogs Act which does not just cover the four banned breeds here in the UK but prohibits ANY DOG being out of control in a public area......I currently have a dog with behavioural problems cause by HUMANS....we have no court order but because I am a responsible owner my dog is always muzzled, doubled leaded and wears a special coat saying 'I Need Space'.....for reference he is a Shar Pei x Staffy.....and I do keep him under control.....it is down to irresponsible and ignorant owners....it is not the dogs fault! KitKatPuss
  • Score: 5

7:45pm Mon 17 Mar 14

kalebmoledirt says...

The dogs image is damaged by the ratbags that cannot get a licence for a recognized assault weapon.What would be a greater loss to civilization.the badly trained dog or the Chav on the end of the lead
The dogs image is damaged by the ratbags that cannot get a licence for a recognized assault weapon.What would be a greater loss to civilization.the badly trained dog or the Chav on the end of the lead kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 6

7:56pm Mon 17 Mar 14

mikeymagic says...

Obviously in respectable hands, given the need for a video link!? Shouldn't stereo type but c'mon!
Obviously in respectable hands, given the need for a video link!? Shouldn't stereo type but c'mon! mikeymagic
  • Score: 3

8:18pm Mon 17 Mar 14

shaft says...

A banned bred of Dog discovered while police search an address for drug use the Dog allegedly purchased off an homeless person. Dog deemed to be safe and returned to teen owner but judge says must be muzzled neutered and sprayed. REALLY safe then. More like the judgement of the PC is not trusted but cannot be overruled by the court.
A banned bred of Dog discovered while police search an address for drug use the Dog allegedly purchased off an homeless person. Dog deemed to be safe and returned to teen owner but judge says must be muzzled neutered and sprayed. REALLY safe then. More like the judgement of the PC is not trusted but cannot be overruled by the court. shaft
  • Score: 1

8:30pm Mon 17 Mar 14

doombadger says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
doombadger wrote:
This is such good news. Pit Bulls are no more aggressive or dangerous than any other breed. it's down to the owners and how they raise the animal. These guys have clearly done a wonderful job raising Hitch as he has "good temperamentI genuinely don't care where the money comes from as long as the dog is okay.
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]doombadger[/bold] wrote: This is such good news. Pit Bulls are no more aggressive or dangerous than any other breed. it's down to the owners and how they raise the animal. These guys have clearly done a wonderful job raising Hitch as he has "good temperamentI genuinely don't care where the money comes from as long as the dog is okay. doombadger
  • Score: 0

8:38pm Mon 17 Mar 14

doombadger says...

KitKatPuss wrote:
MaxReturn wrote:
Two comments from blind or illiterate people who cannot read. The evidence is there for the unbiased to see. There are dogs which should never be permitted in a domestic environment. How many more innocent people are going to be injured and maimed by these dogs before they are eliminated from society. Just read the Dangerous Dogs web page and look at the injuries then tell me it's not the dog to blame!
Dogs are NOT born aggressive......the same as murderers are not born killing people as soon as they exit the womb!! It is HUMANS who looks after dogs....and unfortunately some very ignorant and stupid HUMANS who mistreat a dog, train a dog to fight etc etc that cause some dogs to exhibit aggressive behaviours......I've worked with a pit bull and you were more at risk from being licked to death.....it's just plain ignorance and people jumping on the press bandwagon about dangerous dogs....pftttt.
^^THIS

All dogs have the capacity to be dangerous if they are taught aggression towards human beings. The issue with powerful dogs is that nasty people like them and nasty people raise nasty dogs. One of the most staggering things about dogs is that even after years of abuse and neglect than are so eager to please us they can be completely rehabilitated to be trusting, loving animals.

Statistically, more people are bitten by Labradors every year in the UK than are bitten by Staffordshires, Bull Terriers or Pit Bulls. It is not the dog, it is the human. You're looking at the wrong end of the lead.

And to call others blind when the story CLEARLY states the highly trained police dog specialist found NO TRACE OF AGGRESSION in the animal makes you a bigger idiot than you like to believe others are.

You also know NOTHING about dogs.

Your opinion is invalid.
[quote][p][bold]KitKatPuss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MaxReturn[/bold] wrote: Two comments from blind or illiterate people who cannot read. The evidence is there for the unbiased to see. There are dogs which should never be permitted in a domestic environment. How many more innocent people are going to be injured and maimed by these dogs before they are eliminated from society. Just read the Dangerous Dogs web page and look at the injuries then tell me it's not the dog to blame![/p][/quote]Dogs are NOT born aggressive......the same as murderers are not born killing people as soon as they exit the womb!! It is HUMANS who looks after dogs....and unfortunately some very ignorant and stupid HUMANS who mistreat a dog, train a dog to fight etc etc that cause some dogs to exhibit aggressive behaviours......I've worked with a pit bull and you were more at risk from being licked to death.....it's just plain ignorance and people jumping on the press bandwagon about dangerous dogs....pftttt.[/p][/quote]^^THIS All dogs have the capacity to be dangerous if they are taught aggression towards human beings. The issue with powerful dogs is that nasty people like them and nasty people raise nasty dogs. One of the most staggering things about dogs is that even after years of abuse and neglect than are so eager to please us they can be completely rehabilitated to be trusting, loving animals. Statistically, more people are bitten by Labradors every year in the UK than are bitten by Staffordshires, Bull Terriers or Pit Bulls. It is not the dog, it is the human. You're looking at the wrong end of the lead. And to call others blind when the story CLEARLY states the highly trained police dog specialist found NO TRACE OF AGGRESSION in the animal makes you a bigger idiot than you like to believe others are. You also know NOTHING about dogs. Your opinion is invalid. doombadger
  • Score: 3

9:03pm Mon 17 Mar 14

pete woodley says...

doombadger,forget aggresive dogs your worse yourself.
doombadger,forget aggresive dogs your worse yourself. pete woodley
  • Score: 4

11:51pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Tictock says...

Out of all the many breeds of dog, why would you want one of these?
Out of all the many breeds of dog, why would you want one of these? Tictock
  • Score: 2

7:12am Tue 18 Mar 14

chris77 says...

So her bf is in prison. She lives in the YMCA and the world has gone potty.
Not to say how much money us tax payers have paid for this to go to court over what.and for you bournemouth echo but something interested in the paper.
So her bf is in prison. She lives in the YMCA and the world has gone potty. Not to say how much money us tax payers have paid for this to go to court over what.and for you bournemouth echo but something interested in the paper. chris77
  • Score: 5

7:37am Tue 18 Mar 14

billy bumble says...

I am not even convinced that this is a Pit Bull
I am not even convinced that this is a Pit Bull billy bumble
  • Score: 0

7:39am Tue 18 Mar 14

kalebmoledirt says...

doombadger wrote:
This is such good news. Pit Bulls are no more aggressive or dangerous than any other breed. it's down to the owners and how they raise the animal. These guys have clearly done a wonderful job raising Hitch as he has "good temperament" and is not aggressive.

I just hope his owner is able to find the £886.
She could raise some of the money by selling the dog to the judge or policeman for their grand children to play with.Then buy a hampster as a surprise for her boyfriend who gave up ownership of the pit bull.in case it forgot who he was when comes out of Nick.Don't Ya just love em
[quote][p][bold]doombadger[/bold] wrote: This is such good news. Pit Bulls are no more aggressive or dangerous than any other breed. it's down to the owners and how they raise the animal. These guys have clearly done a wonderful job raising Hitch as he has "good temperament" and is not aggressive. I just hope his owner is able to find the £886.[/p][/quote]She could raise some of the money by selling the dog to the judge or policeman for their grand children to play with.Then buy a hampster as a surprise for her boyfriend who gave up ownership of the pit bull.in case it forgot who he was when comes out of Nick.Don't Ya just love em kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 1

7:39am Tue 18 Mar 14

ashleycross says...

Well this is good news for the drug dealers. They can keep their illegal dogs and nothing can be done about it. How on earth are the police supposed to carry out warrants if they are allowed to keep these dogs.
And how can a skinny 19 year old girl keep a dog like that under control in public?
I'm not a police officer by the way, just someone who has to share an train platform with druggies on an unmanned station every day. Not nice at all, especially now they can bring their four legged friends with them.
Well this is good news for the drug dealers. They can keep their illegal dogs and nothing can be done about it. How on earth are the police supposed to carry out warrants if they are allowed to keep these dogs. And how can a skinny 19 year old girl keep a dog like that under control in public? I'm not a police officer by the way, just someone who has to share an train platform with druggies on an unmanned station every day. Not nice at all, especially now they can bring their four legged friends with them. ashleycross
  • Score: 3

7:43am Tue 18 Mar 14

kalebmoledirt says...

billy bumble wrote:
I am not even convinced that this is a Pit Bull
It ain't what you would leave in a room with kids.maybe a judge or dog expert copper.
[quote][p][bold]billy bumble[/bold] wrote: I am not even convinced that this is a Pit Bull[/p][/quote]It ain't what you would leave in a room with kids.maybe a judge or dog expert copper. kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 3

7:48am Tue 18 Mar 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Is it in order for a judge to ignore the law and allow an illegal animal to be kept by someone that as clearly got a hidden agenda on the,advise of a policeman.Perhaps I can keep a sawn off shot gun as long as the local copper says I put corks in the barrels
Is it in order for a judge to ignore the law and allow an illegal animal to be kept by someone that as clearly got a hidden agenda on the,advise of a policeman.Perhaps I can keep a sawn off shot gun as long as the local copper says I put corks in the barrels kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 0

8:31am Tue 18 Mar 14

Controversial But True says...

Tictock wrote:
Out of all the many breeds of dog, why would you want one of these?
Because it looks more menacing to the druggies buying the drugs...!!!
[quote][p][bold]Tictock[/bold] wrote: Out of all the many breeds of dog, why would you want one of these?[/p][/quote]Because it looks more menacing to the druggies buying the drugs...!!! Controversial But True
  • Score: 5

10:06am Tue 18 Mar 14

KitKatPuss says...

doombadger wrote:
KitKatPuss wrote:
MaxReturn wrote: Two comments from blind or illiterate people who cannot read. The evidence is there for the unbiased to see. There are dogs which should never be permitted in a domestic environment. How many more innocent people are going to be injured and maimed by these dogs before they are eliminated from society. Just read the Dangerous Dogs web page and look at the injuries then tell me it's not the dog to blame!
Dogs are NOT born aggressive......the same as murderers are not born killing people as soon as they exit the womb!! It is HUMANS who looks after dogs....and unfortunately some very ignorant and stupid HUMANS who mistreat a dog, train a dog to fight etc etc that cause some dogs to exhibit aggressive behaviours......I've worked with a pit bull and you were more at risk from being licked to death.....it's just plain ignorance and people jumping on the press bandwagon about dangerous dogs....pftttt.
^^THIS All dogs have the capacity to be dangerous if they are taught aggression towards human beings. The issue with powerful dogs is that nasty people like them and nasty people raise nasty dogs. One of the most staggering things about dogs is that even after years of abuse and neglect than are so eager to please us they can be completely rehabilitated to be trusting, loving animals. Statistically, more people are bitten by Labradors every year in the UK than are bitten by Staffordshires, Bull Terriers or Pit Bulls. It is not the dog, it is the human. You're looking at the wrong end of the lead. And to call others blind when the story CLEARLY states the highly trained police dog specialist found NO TRACE OF AGGRESSION in the animal makes you a bigger idiot than you like to believe others are. You also know NOTHING about dogs. Your opinion is invalid.
Well said Doombadger......inde
ed more people are bitten by Labradors than are bitten by Staffys which was a proved fact featured on BBC's Wonder of Dogs.

My dog was abused and neglected and has bad behaviour as a result...however in my hands he has a responsible owner who protects him and the general public by taking precautions.
[quote][p][bold]doombadger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KitKatPuss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MaxReturn[/bold] wrote: Two comments from blind or illiterate people who cannot read. The evidence is there for the unbiased to see. There are dogs which should never be permitted in a domestic environment. How many more innocent people are going to be injured and maimed by these dogs before they are eliminated from society. Just read the Dangerous Dogs web page and look at the injuries then tell me it's not the dog to blame![/p][/quote]Dogs are NOT born aggressive......the same as murderers are not born killing people as soon as they exit the womb!! It is HUMANS who looks after dogs....and unfortunately some very ignorant and stupid HUMANS who mistreat a dog, train a dog to fight etc etc that cause some dogs to exhibit aggressive behaviours......I've worked with a pit bull and you were more at risk from being licked to death.....it's just plain ignorance and people jumping on the press bandwagon about dangerous dogs....pftttt.[/p][/quote]^^THIS All dogs have the capacity to be dangerous if they are taught aggression towards human beings. The issue with powerful dogs is that nasty people like them and nasty people raise nasty dogs. One of the most staggering things about dogs is that even after years of abuse and neglect than are so eager to please us they can be completely rehabilitated to be trusting, loving animals. Statistically, more people are bitten by Labradors every year in the UK than are bitten by Staffordshires, Bull Terriers or Pit Bulls. It is not the dog, it is the human. You're looking at the wrong end of the lead. And to call others blind when the story CLEARLY states the highly trained police dog specialist found NO TRACE OF AGGRESSION in the animal makes you a bigger idiot than you like to believe others are. You also know NOTHING about dogs. Your opinion is invalid.[/p][/quote]Well said Doombadger......inde ed more people are bitten by Labradors than are bitten by Staffys which was a proved fact featured on BBC's Wonder of Dogs. My dog was abused and neglected and has bad behaviour as a result...however in my hands he has a responsible owner who protects him and the general public by taking precautions. KitKatPuss
  • Score: 0

10:10am Tue 18 Mar 14

KitKatPuss says...

Tictock wrote:
Out of all the many breeds of dog, why would you want one of these?
I understand what you are saying Tictock....however for me out of many breeds of dog out there I cannot understand why anyone would want to own a 'handbag dog', a JRT or a Lhasa Apso....Pit Bulls and Pit Bull type dogs, in the right hands, can be loving and loyal members of a family....as much as any other dog can be. They are beautiful and very much misunderstood breeds.
[quote][p][bold]Tictock[/bold] wrote: Out of all the many breeds of dog, why would you want one of these?[/p][/quote]I understand what you are saying Tictock....however for me out of many breeds of dog out there I cannot understand why anyone would want to own a 'handbag dog', a JRT or a Lhasa Apso....Pit Bulls and Pit Bull type dogs, in the right hands, can be loving and loyal members of a family....as much as any other dog can be. They are beautiful and very much misunderstood breeds. KitKatPuss
  • Score: 1

11:47am Tue 18 Mar 14

JackJohnson says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Is it in order for a judge to ignore the law and allow an illegal animal to be kept by someone that as clearly got a hidden agenda on the,advise of a policeman.Perhaps I can keep a sawn off shot gun as long as the local copper says I put corks in the barrels
Yes. The judge, in this case, is not 'ignoring the law'. He is applying it as it is written. If the dog displays no aggression, and the owner guarantees to observe a list of conditions the judge is allowed to use his discretion and add the dog to the Index of Exempted Dogs. See https://www.gov.uk/c
ontrol-dog-public/ba
nned-dogs
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: Is it in order for a judge to ignore the law and allow an illegal animal to be kept by someone that as clearly got a hidden agenda on the,advise of a policeman.Perhaps I can keep a sawn off shot gun as long as the local copper says I put corks in the barrels[/p][/quote]Yes. The judge, in this case, is not 'ignoring the law'. He is applying it as it is written. If the dog displays no aggression, and the owner guarantees to observe a list of conditions the judge is allowed to use his discretion and add the dog to the Index of Exempted Dogs. See https://www.gov.uk/c ontrol-dog-public/ba nned-dogs JackJohnson
  • Score: -1

12:39pm Tue 18 Mar 14

stevobath says...

KitKatPuss wrote:
MaxReturn wrote:
I don't think I have read such utter twaddle as this police dog expert has come out with. Pit Bulls were bred as fighting dogs. You only have to look up Dangerous Dogs on the Internet to see what damage these dogs do. That is why they are illegal. But the owner is being allowed to keep it illegally. I think I'll keep my car on the road with no road tax. It's illegal but I'll ensure it doesn't harm anybody. While the breeds of dog depicted as dangerous dogs on the Internet website are dangerous it is the breed of fog which us dangerous. This policeman is an idiot if he wants to go against the evidence. But then the court did so. My advice is go equipped to protect yourself. Neither the police nor the courts are doing so.
Really?? I think you'll find that pit bulls were also bred for herding livestock and as family companions/protector

s. Pit Bulls are on the banned dog list in the UK but there is something called the List of Exempted Dogs within the Dangerous Dogs Act whereby a dog who is classed as 'banned' but shows no aggressive tendancy can live under strict controls such being muzzled and always on a lead in public. Therefore what the court has decided is not illegal so do your research first!
Indeed. PBT were an 'All Round Breed' that were favourites on homesteads.
Too much hysteria, although if you do get an idiot who doesn't know about this breed, there is always potential for serious problems.

Also, too many cross breeds are now being called 'PBT'. Mastiff/Labrador crosses Staffie/Labrador crosses are often mistaken for banned breeds under the Bull S*** Law or BSL.
I have a Staffie. Pedigree, Registerd from KC Champoin blood. Because he is bigger than average, the amount of morons who TELL ME what my dog is!
The only problem I ever have with my dog, is other small dogs' like Yorkies/Westies showing aggression. My dog doesn't even bark. I do however make sure he's on a lead, for HIS protection. He's chipped & always wears an ID tag, something which lots of owners don't do, which is illegal in itself!

Too many awful owners that contribute to bad dog behaviour from ALL breeds
[quote][p][bold]KitKatPuss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MaxReturn[/bold] wrote: I don't think I have read such utter twaddle as this police dog expert has come out with. Pit Bulls were bred as fighting dogs. You only have to look up Dangerous Dogs on the Internet to see what damage these dogs do. That is why they are illegal. But the owner is being allowed to keep it illegally. I think I'll keep my car on the road with no road tax. It's illegal but I'll ensure it doesn't harm anybody. While the breeds of dog depicted as dangerous dogs on the Internet website are dangerous it is the breed of fog which us dangerous. This policeman is an idiot if he wants to go against the evidence. But then the court did so. My advice is go equipped to protect yourself. Neither the police nor the courts are doing so.[/p][/quote]Really?? I think you'll find that pit bulls were also bred for herding livestock and as family companions/protector s. Pit Bulls are on the banned dog list in the UK but there is something called the List of Exempted Dogs within the Dangerous Dogs Act whereby a dog who is classed as 'banned' but shows no aggressive tendancy can live under strict controls such being muzzled and always on a lead in public. Therefore what the court has decided is not illegal so do your research first![/p][/quote]Indeed. PBT were an 'All Round Breed' that were favourites on homesteads. Too much hysteria, although if you do get an idiot who doesn't know about this breed, there is always potential for serious problems. Also, too many cross breeds are now being called 'PBT'. Mastiff/Labrador crosses Staffie/Labrador crosses are often mistaken for banned breeds under the Bull S*** Law or BSL. I have a Staffie. Pedigree, Registerd from KC Champoin blood. Because he is bigger than average, the amount of morons who TELL ME what my dog is! The only problem I ever have with my dog, is other small dogs' like Yorkies/Westies showing aggression. My dog doesn't even bark. I do however make sure he's on a lead, for HIS protection. He's chipped & always wears an ID tag, something which lots of owners don't do, which is illegal in itself! Too many awful owners that contribute to bad dog behaviour from ALL breeds stevobath
  • Score: 2

12:43pm Tue 18 Mar 14

stevobath says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
billy bumble wrote:
I am not even convinced that this is a Pit Bull
It ain't what you would leave in a room with kids.maybe a judge or dog expert copper.
Well if you were a sensible person, you wouldn't leave any dog in a room, alone with a kid. Genius.
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy bumble[/bold] wrote: I am not even convinced that this is a Pit Bull[/p][/quote]It ain't what you would leave in a room with kids.maybe a judge or dog expert copper.[/p][/quote]Well if you were a sensible person, you wouldn't leave any dog in a room, alone with a kid. Genius. stevobath
  • Score: 3

12:47pm Tue 18 Mar 14

stevobath says...

KitKatPuss wrote:
doombadger wrote:
KitKatPuss wrote:
MaxReturn wrote: Two comments from blind or illiterate people who cannot read. The evidence is there for the unbiased to see. There are dogs which should never be permitted in a domestic environment. How many more innocent people are going to be injured and maimed by these dogs before they are eliminated from society. Just read the Dangerous Dogs web page and look at the injuries then tell me it's not the dog to blame!
Dogs are NOT born aggressive......the same as murderers are not born killing people as soon as they exit the womb!! It is HUMANS who looks after dogs....and unfortunately some very ignorant and stupid HUMANS who mistreat a dog, train a dog to fight etc etc that cause some dogs to exhibit aggressive behaviours......I've worked with a pit bull and you were more at risk from being licked to death.....it's just plain ignorance and people jumping on the press bandwagon about dangerous dogs....pftttt.
^^THIS All dogs have the capacity to be dangerous if they are taught aggression towards human beings. The issue with powerful dogs is that nasty people like them and nasty people raise nasty dogs. One of the most staggering things about dogs is that even after years of abuse and neglect than are so eager to please us they can be completely rehabilitated to be trusting, loving animals. Statistically, more people are bitten by Labradors every year in the UK than are bitten by Staffordshires, Bull Terriers or Pit Bulls. It is not the dog, it is the human. You're looking at the wrong end of the lead. And to call others blind when the story CLEARLY states the highly trained police dog specialist found NO TRACE OF AGGRESSION in the animal makes you a bigger idiot than you like to believe others are. You also know NOTHING about dogs. Your opinion is invalid.
Well said Doombadger......inde

ed more people are bitten by Labradors than are bitten by Staffys which was a proved fact featured on BBC's Wonder of Dogs.

My dog was abused and neglected and has bad behaviour as a result...however in my hands he has a responsible owner who protects him and the general public by taking precautions.
Unfortunately, when PBT & the like do bite, then they can cause horrific injuries due to their bite pattern of 'Hold & Shake', typical of all terriers except PBT etc have high bite pressure.
Still, it give the public something to get hysterical about & 'vent', sad though it is!
[quote][p][bold]KitKatPuss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]doombadger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KitKatPuss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MaxReturn[/bold] wrote: Two comments from blind or illiterate people who cannot read. The evidence is there for the unbiased to see. There are dogs which should never be permitted in a domestic environment. How many more innocent people are going to be injured and maimed by these dogs before they are eliminated from society. Just read the Dangerous Dogs web page and look at the injuries then tell me it's not the dog to blame![/p][/quote]Dogs are NOT born aggressive......the same as murderers are not born killing people as soon as they exit the womb!! It is HUMANS who looks after dogs....and unfortunately some very ignorant and stupid HUMANS who mistreat a dog, train a dog to fight etc etc that cause some dogs to exhibit aggressive behaviours......I've worked with a pit bull and you were more at risk from being licked to death.....it's just plain ignorance and people jumping on the press bandwagon about dangerous dogs....pftttt.[/p][/quote]^^THIS All dogs have the capacity to be dangerous if they are taught aggression towards human beings. The issue with powerful dogs is that nasty people like them and nasty people raise nasty dogs. One of the most staggering things about dogs is that even after years of abuse and neglect than are so eager to please us they can be completely rehabilitated to be trusting, loving animals. Statistically, more people are bitten by Labradors every year in the UK than are bitten by Staffordshires, Bull Terriers or Pit Bulls. It is not the dog, it is the human. You're looking at the wrong end of the lead. And to call others blind when the story CLEARLY states the highly trained police dog specialist found NO TRACE OF AGGRESSION in the animal makes you a bigger idiot than you like to believe others are. You also know NOTHING about dogs. Your opinion is invalid.[/p][/quote]Well said Doombadger......inde ed more people are bitten by Labradors than are bitten by Staffys which was a proved fact featured on BBC's Wonder of Dogs. My dog was abused and neglected and has bad behaviour as a result...however in my hands he has a responsible owner who protects him and the general public by taking precautions.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately, when PBT & the like do bite, then they can cause horrific injuries due to their bite pattern of 'Hold & Shake', typical of all terriers except PBT etc have high bite pressure. Still, it give the public something to get hysterical about & 'vent', sad though it is! stevobath
  • Score: 3

12:52pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Southbourne Mike says...

They seem like the type of people who will adhere to 'Strict Rules' It beggars belief that judgements like this are even considered let alone actually endorsed! The dog is a banned breed and by virtue should be unfortnately for the dog, destroyed. Letting the likes of these people own it is in itself totally irresponsible.
They seem like the type of people who will adhere to 'Strict Rules' It beggars belief that judgements like this are even considered let alone actually endorsed! The dog is a banned breed and by virtue should be unfortnately for the dog, destroyed. Letting the likes of these people own it is in itself totally irresponsible. Southbourne Mike
  • Score: 2

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