‘Noddy train’ at Hengistbury Head being axed after 45-years so council run their own land trains

SHOCK: Joyce Faris owner of the Hengistbury Head land train with mechanic Alan Barnard

SHOCK: Joyce Faris owner of the Hengistbury Head land train with mechanic Alan Barnard

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Hengistbury Head’s much-loved train service has been given notice to quit by council bosses.

The popular train service, affectionately known locally as the ‘Noddy train,’ is being axed in its 45th anniversary year so the council can run their own land trains from Hengistbury Head to Mudeford Spit.

The council claims the “time is right” to take over the service from November and eventually aims to run land trains between Alum Chine and Hengistbury Head.

But the shock announcement has left 88-year-old Joyce Faris and her staff reeling. Joyce’s late husband Roger Faris started the service with hand-crafted engines and carriages in 1968 and, following his death in 1990, Joyce kept it going in his memory.

She said: “It’s just part of me now, it’s my life. I do love it, I love the environment and I love the people. It was such a shock to be told we would have to stop.”

Mechanic Alan Barnard, who has worked on the trains for more than 20 years, said he would have petitions available at Hengistbury Head and on the land train’s Facebook site.

But he fears it will have little effect. “It is a devastating blow but it’s clear the decision has been made,” he said. “I feel we have been stabbed in the back.”

Joyce’s son John Jameson-Davis said: “What people love about mum’s train is it’s a link with the past.

“It goes back almost two generations and it’s such a feature of the area.”

The decision has also alarmed Mudeford beach hut owners, as currently Joyce provides a Land Rover service and a towing service for people needing to take a lot of equipment to the beach huts. This is set to end when the train service is withdrawn.

Steve Barratt, chair of the Mudeford Beach Hut Association, said it was an “ill thought-out decision” that had been made without any consultation of the people who use the service.

And Andy Brown, director of the Black House holiday accommodation, whose customers also use the train, said: “We’re not very happy at all and we are very worried it will impact on our business. I don’t think Bournemouth council are planning on offering a comparable service to what we have at the moment.”

Cllr Lawrence Williams, portfolio holder for leisure, tourism and culture, said: “The existing land train service at Hengistbury Head has served the area well for a number of years and I would like to thank Mrs Farris for her dedicated work during this time. With the current licence set to expire and after much consideration we feel that the time is right for the Council to take ownership of the service.

“The Council already has a well run land train service along the seafront and with the opening of the new Hengistbury Head visitor centre we see this is an ideal opportunity for us to provide a joint service. The long term aim being to link the whole of the coast up from Hengistbury Head to Alum Chine on one single land train service.”

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1:41pm Sat 15 Mar 14

crazybird says...

The council will probably give the job to S&D Leisure - they seem to be taking over everything else. No doubt the cost will rise by more than double so the council can rip everyone off!!!! Disgusting!!!!
The council will probably give the job to S&D Leisure - they seem to be taking over everything else. No doubt the cost will rise by more than double so the council can rip everyone off!!!! Disgusting!!!! crazybird
  • Score: 164

2:00pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Bob49 says...

"“The existing land train service at Hengistbury Head has served the area well for a number of years ....."

Which is the reason it should continue

This will not be a popular decision and the council will suffer much bad publicity, for what ?
"“The existing land train service at Hengistbury Head has served the area well for a number of years ....." Which is the reason it should continue This will not be a popular decision and the council will suffer much bad publicity, for what ? Bob49
  • Score: 174

2:12pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Glashen says...

Bob49 wrote:
"“The existing land train service at Hengistbury Head has served the area well for a number of years ....."

Which is the reason it should continue

This will not be a popular decision and the council will suffer much bad publicity, for what ?
You would think so wouldn't you.
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This is the sort of decision that brings Bournemouth into disrepute, where may I ask was the consultation since clearly the service is changing, also apparently the council trains use more fuel and take up more road which is restricted. There is a petition to get the council to rethink,
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https://you.38degree
s.org.uk/petitions/s
ave-the-current-heng
istbury-head-land-tr
ain-service
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "“The existing land train service at Hengistbury Head has served the area well for a number of years ....." Which is the reason it should continue This will not be a popular decision and the council will suffer much bad publicity, for what ?[/p][/quote]You would think so wouldn't you. - This is the sort of decision that brings Bournemouth into disrepute, where may I ask was the consultation since clearly the service is changing, also apparently the council trains use more fuel and take up more road which is restricted. There is a petition to get the council to rethink, - https://you.38degree s.org.uk/petitions/s ave-the-current-heng istbury-head-land-tr ain-service Glashen
  • Score: 97

2:14pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Ivan Opinion says...

Truly a bad idea, it should be left as it is - its a truly iconic and well run llink to the past. Whilst holiday makers will see no difference, I think 100% of local residents in the surrounding 10 miles will be astonsihed at just how bad an idea this is. Shame .
Truly a bad idea, it should be left as it is - its a truly iconic and well run llink to the past. Whilst holiday makers will see no difference, I think 100% of local residents in the surrounding 10 miles will be astonsihed at just how bad an idea this is. Shame . Ivan Opinion
  • Score: 119

2:20pm Sat 15 Mar 14

itsneverblackorwhite says...

NO!! You may well of got away with so many other wrongs but this is not going to happen! This little train is unique to the area and has served both locals and visitors alike for over 45 years! U turn now or you will regret this!
NO!! You may well of got away with so many other wrongs but this is not going to happen! This little train is unique to the area and has served both locals and visitors alike for over 45 years! U turn now or you will regret this! itsneverblackorwhite
  • Score: 126

2:20pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Winton_Resident says...

Do we really wish to make it easy for the tourists that hit our main beaches by their 10's of thousands in the summer to jump on a train and descend on Hengisbury Head? This is a precious site and is already a busy destination. I know, why dont we put some slot machines over there, some stupid rides and a few kiosks selling hotdogs and kiss me quick hats too while we are at it. BBC, show some vision and sort out the town center and central Bournemouth beach areas first before starting on some new hair-brain initiative.
Do we really wish to make it easy for the tourists that hit our main beaches by their 10's of thousands in the summer to jump on a train and descend on Hengisbury Head? This is a precious site and is already a busy destination. I know, why dont we put some slot machines over there, some stupid rides and a few kiosks selling hotdogs and kiss me quick hats too while we are at it. BBC, show some vision and sort out the town center and central Bournemouth beach areas first before starting on some new hair-brain initiative. Winton_Resident
  • Score: 98

2:22pm Sat 15 Mar 14

billy bumble says...

Disgraceful - just effing disgraceful
Disgraceful - just effing disgraceful billy bumble
  • Score: 70

2:43pm Sat 15 Mar 14

BmthNewshound says...

crazybird wrote:
The council will probably give the job to S&D Leisure - they seem to be taking over everything else. No doubt the cost will rise by more than double so the council can rip everyone off!!!! Disgusting!!!!
Sadly you are probably correct in your assumption.
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When it is outsourcing so many other services it doesn't make sense for them to operate the trains themselves. It would be interesting to know if the land train actually makes a profit or if it is subsidised by the taxpayer.
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Cllr Lawrence Williams is spearheading a campaign of commercialisation which will ruin Bournemouth's award winning beaches which have, until now, been spared the tacky attractions inflicted by S&D have inflicted on the pierhead and lower gardens.
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With the land train travelling at a snails pace visitors wishing to use public transport to get to the Hengistbury Head will use the open top bus which will be much faster.
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Beesley Borough Council appear determined to turn Bournemouth into the Blackpool of the South. One things for certain this decision has the stench of yet another of Beesley's dodgy deals.
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[quote][p][bold]crazybird[/bold] wrote: The council will probably give the job to S&D Leisure - they seem to be taking over everything else. No doubt the cost will rise by more than double so the council can rip everyone off!!!! Disgusting!!!![/p][/quote]Sadly you are probably correct in your assumption. . When it is outsourcing so many other services it doesn't make sense for them to operate the trains themselves. It would be interesting to know if the land train actually makes a profit or if it is subsidised by the taxpayer. . Cllr Lawrence Williams is spearheading a campaign of commercialisation which will ruin Bournemouth's award winning beaches which have, until now, been spared the tacky attractions inflicted by S&D have inflicted on the pierhead and lower gardens. . With the land train travelling at a snails pace visitors wishing to use public transport to get to the Hengistbury Head will use the open top bus which will be much faster. . Beesley Borough Council appear determined to turn Bournemouth into the Blackpool of the South. One things for certain this decision has the stench of yet another of Beesley's dodgy deals. . BmthNewshound
  • Score: 80

2:45pm Sat 15 Mar 14

MngsMnr says...

What gives these shambolic councils the right to make such changes? I'm struggling to think of anything the councils (both Bournemouth and Christchurch) actually DO for the benefit of the people. It seems as if the pen pushers try to justify their jobs by randomly coming up with some idea or other.
If the Russian peasants in 1917 found the balls to revolt and overthrow the government I suggest dear readers that we do the same with these mickey mouse establishments.
What gives these shambolic councils the right to make such changes? I'm struggling to think of anything the councils (both Bournemouth and Christchurch) actually DO for the benefit of the people. It seems as if the pen pushers try to justify their jobs by randomly coming up with some idea or other. If the Russian peasants in 1917 found the balls to revolt and overthrow the government I suggest dear readers that we do the same with these mickey mouse establishments. MngsMnr
  • Score: 80

2:56pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Bob49 says...

"“The existing land train service at Hengistbury Head has served the area well for a number of years "

The same right as in Christchurch

Come the local elections and the retired come out in their droves to elect the same disreputable incompetents. you could stick a blue rosette on a pig and it would still get elected in many wards ..... yes, I know what you are thinking.

One of the delights of Hengistbury Head is that it is 'unspoilt'. It doesn't need visitor centres. It doesn'y need to become an 'experience', it just needs to be left as it is to be enjoyed by those appreciate what it is, without having it explained to them.

Thankfully I should imagine that there will be a backlash from the beach hut owners - and rightly so.

As said above, why not concentrate on getting right the numerous failures elsewhere in the twon and leave something that works ... to continue to work.
"“The existing land train service at Hengistbury Head has served the area well for a number of years " The same right as in Christchurch Come the local elections and the retired come out in their droves to elect the same disreputable incompetents. you could stick a blue rosette on a pig and it would still get elected in many wards ..... yes, I know what you are thinking. One of the delights of Hengistbury Head is that it is 'unspoilt'. It doesn't need visitor centres. It doesn'y need to become an 'experience', it just needs to be left as it is to be enjoyed by those appreciate what it is, without having it explained to them. Thankfully I should imagine that there will be a backlash from the beach hut owners - and rightly so. As said above, why not concentrate on getting right the numerous failures elsewhere in the twon and leave something that works ... to continue to work. Bob49
  • Score: 69

3:02pm Sat 15 Mar 14

eyesropen says...

I have heard that the council train will only run from March to October unlike the 'Noddy train' which runs every day except Christmas day.

This decision is ludicrous when you consider that they spent all that money building an eco-friendly visitor centre. The council train has much higher carbon emissions, it will be much more intrusive on the landscape, it will encourage more people to visit creating even more disturbance to the flora and fauna. No doubt fares will be higher too. This seems like a money making scheme with no thought for the nature reserve or its heritage. They must be desperate to make the visitor centre pay: Word is it went way over budget.
I have heard that the council train will only run from March to October unlike the 'Noddy train' which runs every day except Christmas day. This decision is ludicrous when you consider that they spent all that money building an eco-friendly visitor centre. The council train has much higher carbon emissions, it will be much more intrusive on the landscape, it will encourage more people to visit creating even more disturbance to the flora and fauna. No doubt fares will be higher too. This seems like a money making scheme with no thought for the nature reserve or its heritage. They must be desperate to make the visitor centre pay: Word is it went way over budget. eyesropen
  • Score: 72

3:10pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Ms daisy says...

Love this train, have been using it for years.A council run one wont be the same and you can bet on a huge hike in fares.
Love this train, have been using it for years.A council run one wont be the same and you can bet on a huge hike in fares. Ms daisy
  • Score: 62

3:15pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Beatnik fly says...

Cllr Lawrence Williams, it may be your aim to link such a huge area in one Land Trian..thats fine, bring your ugly train to the Hungry Hiker and leave your passengers to go to the Visitor Center. BUT, keep your hands firmly off the iconic land train "noddy" down to the sandspit, and leave those that know how to run it alone. Please sign this petition if you agree:

https://you.38degree
s.org.uk/petitions/s
ave-the-current-heng
istbury-head-land-tr
ain-service?time=139
4826037
or go to the Hengistbury Head Landtrain web site to voice your opinion.

John Beesley be very afraid.......
Cllr Lawrence Williams, it may be your aim to link such a huge area in one Land Trian..thats fine, bring your ugly train to the Hungry Hiker and leave your passengers to go to the Visitor Center. BUT, keep your hands firmly off the iconic land train "noddy" down to the sandspit, and leave those that know how to run it alone. Please sign this petition if you agree: https://you.38degree s.org.uk/petitions/s ave-the-current-heng istbury-head-land-tr ain-service?time=139 4826037 or go to the Hengistbury Head Landtrain web site to voice your opinion. John Beesley be very afraid....... Beatnik fly
  • Score: 74

3:17pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Chriswood says...

A poor decision. Why deny a family concern from running a well-liked and successful operation? This is meddling too far.
You've lost my vote in the May elections.
A poor decision. Why deny a family concern from running a well-liked and successful operation? This is meddling too far. You've lost my vote in the May elections. Chriswood
  • Score: 63

3:19pm Sat 15 Mar 14

oversixty says...

Rumour is that the Council Countryside Team have overspent their budget on the new visitor centre,(to the detriment of the other nature reserves) so could this plan be part of the overspend I wonder?
About time they were called to account for their mismanagement!
Rumour is that the Council Countryside Team have overspent their budget on the new visitor centre,(to the detriment of the other nature reserves) so could this plan be part of the overspend I wonder? About time they were called to account for their mismanagement! oversixty
  • Score: 41

3:32pm Sat 15 Mar 14

jonnyboyrgv says...

I'm furious With This! Hands off Bournemouth Borough Council the Hengistbury Head Train Service must stay as it is! We do not want an Imax eyesore like the blue and white Council trains here. The Noddy Train/Hengistbury Head Train Service are part of the scenery just like the Headland and Mudeford Spit that they service! There is an online petition you can sign and in person at The Hungry Hiker Cafe. This can not be allowed to happen Hengistbury Head already has the number 1 Train Service for this route!
I'm furious With This! Hands off Bournemouth Borough Council the Hengistbury Head Train Service must stay as it is! We do not want an Imax eyesore like the blue and white Council trains here. The Noddy Train/Hengistbury Head Train Service are part of the scenery just like the Headland and Mudeford Spit that they service! There is an online petition you can sign and in person at The Hungry Hiker Cafe. This can not be allowed to happen Hengistbury Head already has the number 1 Train Service for this route! jonnyboyrgv
  • Score: 59

3:44pm Sat 15 Mar 14

RM says...

MngsMnr wrote:
What gives these shambolic councils the right to make such changes? I'm struggling to think of anything the councils (both Bournemouth and Christchurch) actually DO for the benefit of the people. It seems as if the pen pushers try to justify their jobs by randomly coming up with some idea or other.
If the Russian peasants in 1917 found the balls to revolt and overthrow the government I suggest dear readers that we do the same with these mickey mouse establishments.
Council elections next year.
[quote][p][bold]MngsMnr[/bold] wrote: What gives these shambolic councils the right to make such changes? I'm struggling to think of anything the councils (both Bournemouth and Christchurch) actually DO for the benefit of the people. It seems as if the pen pushers try to justify their jobs by randomly coming up with some idea or other. If the Russian peasants in 1917 found the balls to revolt and overthrow the government I suggest dear readers that we do the same with these mickey mouse establishments.[/p][/quote]Council elections next year. RM
  • Score: 42

4:24pm Sat 15 Mar 14

hobosolero says...

Time to vote this lot out unless they have the courage to reverse such an unpopular decision as this!
Time to vote this lot out unless they have the courage to reverse such an unpopular decision as this! hobosolero
  • Score: 41

4:41pm Sat 15 Mar 14

whataboutthat says...

Money money monye...choo choo...sssssssssssss
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Money money monye...choo choo...sssssssssssss sssssssss whataboutthat
  • Score: 25

4:43pm Sat 15 Mar 14

politicaltrainspotter says...

Why are they breaking something that does not need fixing ? Leave the Noddy train alone.It's part of our heritage.

We don't want your commercial, profit making train whoever the operator is.

And by past results for example 'The Surf Reef' who would trust the council to run a land train.

I sincerly hope that Councillor Williams is voted out in 2015.Does one thing and then another.But i should know the majority of them are.But he also has an air of arrogance and is out of touch with those who voted him in and some are now regretting it.
Why are they breaking something that does not need fixing ? Leave the Noddy train alone.It's part of our heritage. We don't want your commercial, profit making train whoever the operator is. And by past results for example 'The Surf Reef' who would trust the council to run a land train. I sincerly hope that Councillor Williams is voted out in 2015.Does one thing and then another.But i should know the majority of them are.But he also has an air of arrogance and is out of touch with those who voted him in and some are now regretting it. politicaltrainspotter
  • Score: 53

4:45pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Townee says...

I understand Beesley has bid on the Flying Scotsman Train to run on this line. He was told it would be a tourist attraction and would bring thousands of train spotters to the area. It would also cut journey times by 2 minutes and create 100 of jobs.
I understand Beesley has bid on the Flying Scotsman Train to run on this line. He was told it would be a tourist attraction and would bring thousands of train spotters to the area. It would also cut journey times by 2 minutes and create 100 of jobs. Townee
  • Score: 13

4:47pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Lucky Rich says...

Leave it alone ,its worked bloomin well up to now ,ive been on it loads of times & so have my kids & now my grandkids , its come to be part of the Hengesbury head experiance just how it is.
Leave it alone ,its worked bloomin well up to now ,ive been on it loads of times & so have my kids & now my grandkids , its come to be part of the Hengesbury head experiance just how it is. Lucky Rich
  • Score: 45

4:48pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Rich© says...

"Cllr Lawrence Williams, portfolio holder for leisure, tourism and culture, said: “The existing land train service at Hengistbury Head has served the area well for a number of years and I would like to thank Mrs Farris for her dedicated work during this time. With the current licence set to expire and after much consideration we feel that the time is right for the Council to take ownership of the service."

45 years later & you decide now to take (steal) it over ,its served the area well & its still serving the area well, so leave well alone, bloody disgraceful, my parents used to take me on it & as we have with our children, this is not going to happen !

Any one contacted Meridain tonight , they may well be interested.
"Cllr Lawrence Williams, portfolio holder for leisure, tourism and culture, said: “The existing land train service at Hengistbury Head has served the area well for a number of years and I would like to thank Mrs Farris for her dedicated work during this time. With the current licence set to expire and after much consideration we feel that the time is right for the Council to take ownership of the service." 45 years later & you decide now to take (steal) it over ,its served the area well & its still serving the area well, so leave well alone, bloody disgraceful, my parents used to take me on it & as we have with our children, this is not going to happen ! Any one contacted Meridain tonight , they may well be interested. Rich©
  • Score: 42

4:52pm Sat 15 Mar 14

we-shall-see says...

Why take over the land train and deny someone their living? Is this going to help bring in visitors to the area? I think not :o/

Two words to describe Bournemouth Council - SHAMELESS & SHAMBOLIC
Why take over the land train and deny someone their living? Is this going to help bring in visitors to the area? I think not :o/ Two words to describe Bournemouth Council - SHAMELESS & SHAMBOLIC we-shall-see
  • Score: 43

4:58pm Sat 15 Mar 14

skydriver says...

All these comment are for this train to stay put. So you lot of imbeciles in the council offices, not to mention all the councillors who agree , think about what your doing , the town is for the people , get it, they want it they should have it, you lot were not even around when this was launched , it been very popular, more so then the councillors.
Again and again I have said ,without exception all these councillors throughout our county have total disregard for what the people want.
Or is it like Christchurch councillors , do just as they wish, at last folk are not taking it anymore were speaking out .
Maybe someone in government should be informed. Eric Pickles maybe, he is always having a go at the local councils and their councillors .
These people forget we pay them , not the other way round!!!
All these comment are for this train to stay put. So you lot of imbeciles in the council offices, not to mention all the councillors who agree , think about what your doing , the town is for the people , get it, they want it they should have it, you lot were not even around when this was launched , it been very popular, more so then the councillors. Again and again I have said ,without exception all these councillors throughout our county have total disregard for what the people want. Or is it like Christchurch councillors , do just as they wish, at last folk are not taking it anymore were speaking out . Maybe someone in government should be informed. Eric Pickles maybe, he is always having a go at the local councils and their councillors . These people forget we pay them , not the other way round!!! skydriver
  • Score: 42

5:05pm Sat 15 Mar 14

zephglad says...

Bournemouth Council has no idea of the fuse it has ignited with this! People come back year after year from all over the world to visit the historic Hengisbury Head and ride on the family-owned train. Children who rode on it in the 1960s and 70s have grown up and now bring their children and many of them bring their children! And so it goes on. The 'Noddy Train' is as much a feature of Hengistbury Head as the castle at Corfe village! Its low impact on the environment is to be applauded. Not only do its engines have a very low carbon footprint, for decades it has helped prevent more people trampling over the ancient site, who would otherwise contribute to accelerated erosion. It runs every single day except Christmas Day! The fares are deliberately kept amazingly low because this is Joyce Faris' mission: to continue running the train which her late husband, Roger, set up in the late 1960s at an affordable price, unlike the Council's probable extortionate fares. Every morning she wakes up with one thing on her mind: Get the trains running on time! The 'Noddy Train' is her lifeblood. As one of this country's oldest employers, in her 89th year, Joyce (born in Tuckton) and her business should be celebrated! How many other women of her age run a full time business?! She is a remnant of that time when people ploughed on regardless. She doesn't want to retire! She's far too young! It is a huge blow to Joyce who runs this train in loving memory of Roger Faris who made the original engines in his workshop at Wick. This decision must be overturned.
Bournemouth Council has no idea of the fuse it has ignited with this! People come back year after year from all over the world to visit the historic Hengisbury Head and ride on the family-owned train. Children who rode on it in the 1960s and 70s have grown up and now bring their children and many of them bring their children! And so it goes on. The 'Noddy Train' is as much a feature of Hengistbury Head as the castle at Corfe village! Its low impact on the environment is to be applauded. Not only do its engines have a very low carbon footprint, for decades it has helped prevent more people trampling over the ancient site, who would otherwise contribute to accelerated erosion. It runs every single day except Christmas Day! The fares are deliberately kept amazingly low because this is Joyce Faris' mission: to continue running the train which her late husband, Roger, set up in the late 1960s at an affordable price, unlike the Council's probable extortionate fares. Every morning she wakes up with one thing on her mind: Get the trains running on time! The 'Noddy Train' is her lifeblood. As one of this country's oldest employers, in her 89th year, Joyce (born in Tuckton) and her business should be celebrated! How many other women of her age run a full time business?! She is a remnant of that time when people ploughed on regardless. She doesn't want to retire! She's far too young! It is a huge blow to Joyce who runs this train in loving memory of Roger Faris who made the original engines in his workshop at Wick. This decision must be overturned. zephglad
  • Score: 78

5:11pm Sat 15 Mar 14

agp1337 says...

This is a dreadful decision. A lot of the area's appeal is the quaintness, almost from a bygone age. And if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
This is a dreadful decision. A lot of the area's appeal is the quaintness, almost from a bygone age. And if it ain't broke, don't fix it! agp1337
  • Score: 39

5:13pm Sat 15 Mar 14

politicaltrainspotter says...

It would not suprise me that the train is renamed.The cabinet will rename the train.'The Gravy Train'. Cause all of us know that what they are all on.

With Driver Beesley.Fireman Williams and Guard Tony Williams.Lets hope Ramsden isn' t the ticket collector.Cause with this lot, anything can happen.
It would not suprise me that the train is renamed.The cabinet will rename the train.'The Gravy Train'. Cause all of us know that what they are all on. With Driver Beesley.Fireman Williams and Guard Tony Williams.Lets hope Ramsden isn' t the ticket collector.Cause with this lot, anything can happen. politicaltrainspotter
  • Score: 37

5:16pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Superfly21 says...

This is terrible news! Been making memories at this beach for over 30 yrs and wanted to do the same with my children, anyone know the name if the Facebook pg?
This is terrible news! Been making memories at this beach for over 30 yrs and wanted to do the same with my children, anyone know the name if the Facebook pg? Superfly21
  • Score: 29

5:19pm Sat 15 Mar 14

muscliffman says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
crazybird wrote:
The council will probably give the job to S&D Leisure - they seem to be taking over everything else. No doubt the cost will rise by more than double so the council can rip everyone off!!!! Disgusting!!!!
Sadly you are probably correct in your assumption.
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When it is outsourcing so many other services it doesn't make sense for them to operate the trains themselves. It would be interesting to know if the land train actually makes a profit or if it is subsidised by the taxpayer.
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Cllr Lawrence Williams is spearheading a campaign of commercialisation which will ruin Bournemouth's award winning beaches which have, until now, been spared the tacky attractions inflicted by S&D have inflicted on the pierhead and lower gardens.
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With the land train travelling at a snails pace visitors wishing to use public transport to get to the Hengistbury Head will use the open top bus which will be much faster.
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Beesley Borough Council appear determined to turn Bournemouth into the Blackpool of the South. One things for certain this decision has the stench of yet another of Beesley's dodgy deals.
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Just a little problem with your open-top bus idea, because sadly it is now many years since the old seafront open-topper yellow bus No.12 (or any other open-top bus) ran along the length of our Bournemouth cliff tops and anywhere near Hengistbury Head.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crazybird[/bold] wrote: The council will probably give the job to S&D Leisure - they seem to be taking over everything else. No doubt the cost will rise by more than double so the council can rip everyone off!!!! Disgusting!!!![/p][/quote]Sadly you are probably correct in your assumption. . When it is outsourcing so many other services it doesn't make sense for them to operate the trains themselves. It would be interesting to know if the land train actually makes a profit or if it is subsidised by the taxpayer. . Cllr Lawrence Williams is spearheading a campaign of commercialisation which will ruin Bournemouth's award winning beaches which have, until now, been spared the tacky attractions inflicted by S&D have inflicted on the pierhead and lower gardens. . With the land train travelling at a snails pace visitors wishing to use public transport to get to the Hengistbury Head will use the open top bus which will be much faster. . Beesley Borough Council appear determined to turn Bournemouth into the Blackpool of the South. One things for certain this decision has the stench of yet another of Beesley's dodgy deals. .[/p][/quote]Just a little problem with your open-top bus idea, because sadly it is now many years since the old seafront open-topper yellow bus No.12 (or any other open-top bus) ran along the length of our Bournemouth cliff tops and anywhere near Hengistbury Head. muscliffman
  • Score: 24

5:22pm Sat 15 Mar 14

remcmillan says...

Bournemouth BC take note - the people have spoken. Check out how many are signing the petition against this decision. Demonstrate that we live in a democracy and reverse this decision
Bournemouth BC take note - the people have spoken. Check out how many are signing the petition against this decision. Demonstrate that we live in a democracy and reverse this decision remcmillan
  • Score: 31

5:37pm Sat 15 Mar 14

BIGTONE says...

If it ain't broke......it will be by the Council.
If it ain't broke......it will be by the Council. BIGTONE
  • Score: 39

5:47pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Lucky Rich says...

I hope it never happens, but whats the betting if it ever does ,then the service will stop at the end of October ,the same time they shut the beach offices & quite a lot of the public toilets along the proposed route,,,,,,,thats no bloomin good , that noddy train runs all year ,& sometimes almost empty , the current noddy train gets my vote & most others by the look of this post so far..
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I hope it never happens, but whats the betting if it ever does ,then the service will stop at the end of October ,the same time they shut the beach offices & quite a lot of the public toilets along the proposed route,,,,,,,thats no bloomin good , that noddy train runs all year ,& sometimes almost empty , the current noddy train gets my vote & most others by the look of this post so far.. https://you.38degree s.org.uk/petitions/s ave-the-current-heng istbury-head-land-tr ain-service?bucket&s ource=facebook-share -button&time=1394875 084 Lucky Rich
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5:53pm Sat 15 Mar 14

sashabubble says...

c'mon everyone - sign and share
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  • Score: 23

6:03pm Sat 15 Mar 14

ShuttleX says...

eyesropen wrote:
I have heard that the council train will only run from March to October unlike the 'Noddy train' which runs every day except Christmas day.

This decision is ludicrous when you consider that they spent all that money building an eco-friendly visitor centre. The council train has much higher carbon emissions, it will be much more intrusive on the landscape, it will encourage more people to visit creating even more disturbance to the flora and fauna. No doubt fares will be higher too. This seems like a money making scheme with no thought for the nature reserve or its heritage. They must be desperate to make the visitor centre pay: Word is it went way over budget.
It will run from April to October, as well as weekends during the off season. Prices will be the same as this year on the land train, £5 all day or £18 per family. That will be increasing next year mind.
The poster who mentioned S&D was not far off the mark. There is a plan to allow them to run it.
You are also right about the visitors centre being over budget. The projections for it's yearly income now puts it in the red for at least 4 years. Most of it's income is planned to come from the over priced stock in the shop. Although free at the moment, plans are being drawn up to charge a nominal entrance fee if the centre loses to much money.
[quote][p][bold]eyesropen[/bold] wrote: I have heard that the council train will only run from March to October unlike the 'Noddy train' which runs every day except Christmas day. This decision is ludicrous when you consider that they spent all that money building an eco-friendly visitor centre. The council train has much higher carbon emissions, it will be much more intrusive on the landscape, it will encourage more people to visit creating even more disturbance to the flora and fauna. No doubt fares will be higher too. This seems like a money making scheme with no thought for the nature reserve or its heritage. They must be desperate to make the visitor centre pay: Word is it went way over budget.[/p][/quote]It will run from April to October, as well as weekends during the off season. Prices will be the same as this year on the land train, £5 all day or £18 per family. That will be increasing next year mind. The poster who mentioned S&D was not far off the mark. There is a plan to allow them to run it. You are also right about the visitors centre being over budget. The projections for it's yearly income now puts it in the red for at least 4 years. Most of it's income is planned to come from the over priced stock in the shop. Although free at the moment, plans are being drawn up to charge a nominal entrance fee if the centre loses to much money. ShuttleX
  • Score: 22

6:22pm Sat 15 Mar 14

MikeGB says...

This is what you get when self inflated ego maniacs get elected onto the council. The officers are forced to think commercially and to hell with the consequences for local residents. They have already made Hengistbury Head and the seafront a no go area for locals all summer, due to excessive car parking charges, but they don't give a **** about us because the tourists will come and spend. The council claim this generates income for the local economy. Tell the people who have provided the excellent and great value noddy Train that. Also tell my four grandchildren who look forward to a regular ride, which will no longer be affordable, no doubt the fare will be more than double and far less charismatic. Peppa pig will no doubt be on the front, putting pressure on parents. Get rid of the councillor a, they have completely wrecked what Bournemouth is about, OK they knocked down the Waterfront Building, then agree for similar eyesores nearby. Idiots the lot of them.
This is what you get when self inflated ego maniacs get elected onto the council. The officers are forced to think commercially and to hell with the consequences for local residents. They have already made Hengistbury Head and the seafront a no go area for locals all summer, due to excessive car parking charges, but they don't give a **** about us because the tourists will come and spend. The council claim this generates income for the local economy. Tell the people who have provided the excellent and great value noddy Train that. Also tell my four grandchildren who look forward to a regular ride, which will no longer be affordable, no doubt the fare will be more than double and far less charismatic. Peppa pig will no doubt be on the front, putting pressure on parents. Get rid of the councillor a, they have completely wrecked what Bournemouth is about, OK they knocked down the Waterfront Building, then agree for similar eyesores nearby. Idiots the lot of them. MikeGB
  • Score: 28

6:34pm Sat 15 Mar 14

beej22 says...

Nooooooo, this is part of the charm of the place, and we dont want it connected with the more "touristy beaches", i bet they ban dogs next. Also, logistically won,t they have to put a proper road along by the beach, it wouldn't make it thro at the moment. Leave it alone, grrrrrrrrr!
Nooooooo, this is part of the charm of the place, and we dont want it connected with the more "touristy beaches", i bet they ban dogs next. Also, logistically won,t they have to put a proper road along by the beach, it wouldn't make it thro at the moment. Leave it alone, grrrrrrrrr! beej22
  • Score: 23

6:51pm Sat 15 Mar 14

a.g.o.g. says...

Bob49 wrote:
"“The existing land train service at Hengistbury Head has served the area well for a number of years "

The same right as in Christchurch

Come the local elections and the retired come out in their droves to elect the same disreputable incompetents. you could stick a blue rosette on a pig and it would still get elected in many wards ..... yes, I know what you are thinking.

One of the delights of Hengistbury Head is that it is 'unspoilt'. It doesn't need visitor centres. It doesn'y need to become an 'experience', it just needs to be left as it is to be enjoyed by those appreciate what it is, without having it explained to them.

Thankfully I should imagine that there will be a backlash from the beach hut owners - and rightly so.

As said above, why not concentrate on getting right the numerous failures elsewhere in the twon and leave something that works ... to continue to work.
```Phuiket on Sea``` here we come!
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "“The existing land train service at Hengistbury Head has served the area well for a number of years " The same right as in Christchurch Come the local elections and the retired come out in their droves to elect the same disreputable incompetents. you could stick a blue rosette on a pig and it would still get elected in many wards ..... yes, I know what you are thinking. One of the delights of Hengistbury Head is that it is 'unspoilt'. It doesn't need visitor centres. It doesn'y need to become an 'experience', it just needs to be left as it is to be enjoyed by those appreciate what it is, without having it explained to them. Thankfully I should imagine that there will be a backlash from the beach hut owners - and rightly so. As said above, why not concentrate on getting right the numerous failures elsewhere in the twon and leave something that works ... to continue to work.[/p][/quote]```Phuiket on Sea``` here we come! a.g.o.g.
  • Score: 14

6:53pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Bob49 says...

politicaltrainspotte
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It would not suprise me that the train is renamed.The cabinet will rename the train.'The Gravy Train'. Cause all of us know that what they are all on.

With Driver Beesley.Fireman Williams and Guard Tony Williams.Lets hope Ramsden isn' t the ticket collector.Cause with this lot, anything can happen.
Blimey, with that lot on board even Ronnie Biggs and the rest would give it a wide berth.

Otherwise this demonstrates just how completely out of touch with public sentiment the council is.

If they continue with this it will be a rallying point against much of what the council has been doing over the past few years.

The final straw...............
[quote][p][bold]politicaltrainspotte r[/bold] wrote: It would not suprise me that the train is renamed.The cabinet will rename the train.'The Gravy Train'. Cause all of us know that what they are all on. With Driver Beesley.Fireman Williams and Guard Tony Williams.Lets hope Ramsden isn' t the ticket collector.Cause with this lot, anything can happen.[/p][/quote]Blimey, with that lot on board even Ronnie Biggs and the rest would give it a wide berth. Otherwise this demonstrates just how completely out of touch with public sentiment the council is. If they continue with this it will be a rallying point against much of what the council has been doing over the past few years. The final straw............... Bob49
  • Score: 20

6:55pm Sat 15 Mar 14

The Timelord says...

The ultimate question is why does this need changing when it works and works well? Sounds like a case of the council trying to re-invent the wheel to line their own pockets at the expense of visitors to the Head.

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The ultimate question is why does this need changing when it works and works well? Sounds like a case of the council trying to re-invent the wheel to line their own pockets at the expense of visitors to the Head. https://you.38degree s.org.uk/petitions/s ave-the-current-heng istbury-head-land-tr ain-service?source=f acebook-share-button &time=1394824640 The Timelord
  • Score: 19

7:00pm Sat 15 Mar 14

davpilling says...

This is yet another most ridiculous decision the Council have made and the public need to vote with their feet and show them our disapproval in the next elections! The local people really need to let them know that the Land Train is our heritage and needs to stay. "Why fix something if it's not broken?"
Come on everyone, let's show Bournemouth Council we want democracy.
This is yet another most ridiculous decision the Council have made and the public need to vote with their feet and show them our disapproval in the next elections! The local people really need to let them know that the Land Train is our heritage and needs to stay. "Why fix something if it's not broken?" Come on everyone, let's show Bournemouth Council we want democracy. davpilling
  • Score: 24

8:06pm Sat 15 Mar 14

slaner says...

I'm so shocked by this news, my family have been using the noddy train for years, my mum went on it as a girl, I did and now my children, it is a very special thing that is more valuable than numbers on a spreadsheet. I feel it is also very disrespectful to the lady who has dedicated her life to running it, where is the morality in this decision, some things are more important than money. Leave well alone Bournemouth council you've touched a raw nerve here.
I'm so shocked by this news, my family have been using the noddy train for years, my mum went on it as a girl, I did and now my children, it is a very special thing that is more valuable than numbers on a spreadsheet. I feel it is also very disrespectful to the lady who has dedicated her life to running it, where is the morality in this decision, some things are more important than money. Leave well alone Bournemouth council you've touched a raw nerve here. slaner
  • Score: 22

8:10pm Sat 15 Mar 14

AnastasiaB says...

Time this Council is told that the town belongs to the people not the Council and they are voted by the people. Let's give the Council notice REMEMBER THE ELECTIONS. Sign the petition everyone and spread the word.
Time this Council is told that the town belongs to the people not the Council and they are voted by the people. Let's give the Council notice REMEMBER THE ELECTIONS. Sign the petition everyone and spread the word. AnastasiaB
  • Score: 20

8:16pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Beatnik fly says...

It will take two councils to turn this around.. Bournemouth and Christchurch. The noddy train ends at the sand spit, on Christchurch council leased land, they need to give permission to allow the proposed new trains to enter their land. Also the current trains are 1.1mt wide, the proposed trains will be 1.8 mts wide. They won't be able to turn around the terminus at end of the beach unless they alter the turning circle which will mean ripping out some of the land which borders the SSSI... Natural England will be delighted...
Lobby both councils..
John Beesley and Ray Nottage please take note
It will take two councils to turn this around.. Bournemouth and Christchurch. The noddy train ends at the sand spit, on Christchurch council leased land, they need to give permission to allow the proposed new trains to enter their land. Also the current trains are 1.1mt wide, the proposed trains will be 1.8 mts wide. They won't be able to turn around the terminus at end of the beach unless they alter the turning circle which will mean ripping out some of the land which borders the SSSI... Natural England will be delighted... Lobby both councils.. John Beesley and Ray Nottage please take note Beatnik fly
  • Score: 22

8:17pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Born in Bmth says...

Cllr Lawrence Williams you haven't got a clue what the people want. Spend your time putting Bournemouth Town Centre right, it has been ruined over the last 30yrs for families. Leave the Hengistbury Head Train alone! You obviously do not understand how much the Train means to families friends and relatives. It is part of our local history and heritage, so many happy memories for thousands of people, memories that people want to replicate with future generations. We don't want new trains with exorbitant prices and part time hours we want The Noddy Train with its nostalgia, character and safe reliable service.


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Cllr Lawrence Williams you haven't got a clue what the people want. Spend your time putting Bournemouth Town Centre right, it has been ruined over the last 30yrs for families. Leave the Hengistbury Head Train alone! You obviously do not understand how much the Train means to families friends and relatives. It is part of our local history and heritage, so many happy memories for thousands of people, memories that people want to replicate with future generations. We don't want new trains with exorbitant prices and part time hours we want The Noddy Train with its nostalgia, character and safe reliable service. https://m.facebook.c om/l.php?u=https%3A% 2F%2Fyou.38degrees.o rg.uk%2Fpetitions%2F save-the-current-hen gistbury-head-land-t rain-service%3Fbucke t%26source%3Dfaceboo k-share-button%26tim e%3D1394830172&h=TAQ GLxeNn&s=1 sign here. Born in Bmth
  • Score: 20

8:24pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Born in Bmth says...

Over 10,000 signatures on the petition.
Over 10,000 signatures on the petition. Born in Bmth
  • Score: 33

10:05pm Sat 15 Mar 14

nickynoodah says...

nobath the strange
nobath the strange nickynoodah
  • Score: -6

10:21pm Sat 15 Mar 14

neilf2006 says...

Oh my goodness, is this the shower that gave us the surf reef and the imax, and that dreadful balloon in the gardens? Leave the noddy train alone, its a lovely little bit of living history. Sign the petition....please.
Oh my goodness, is this the shower that gave us the surf reef and the imax, and that dreadful balloon in the gardens? Leave the noddy train alone, its a lovely little bit of living history. Sign the petition....please. neilf2006
  • Score: 22

10:42pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Yankee1 says...

I am beginning to think that 'portfolio holder' means 'W*nk*r*, whether it is Poole, Bournemouth or Christchurch.

Who elects these jumped up n*bs?
I am beginning to think that 'portfolio holder' means 'W*nk*r*, whether it is Poole, Bournemouth or Christchurch. Who elects these jumped up n*bs? Yankee1
  • Score: 22

10:59pm Sat 15 Mar 14

eyesropen says...

Wow somebody REALLY underestimated public opinion on this one!! That could be any or all of several arrogant idiots. Oops....
Wow somebody REALLY underestimated public opinion on this one!! That could be any or all of several arrogant idiots. Oops.... eyesropen
  • Score: 17

11:32pm Sat 15 Mar 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

The Council won't help support some vital bus routes but want to play Noddy Trains!?!
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Cllr Lawrence Williams is a sadistic little weasel! thanking Mrs Farris while preparing to trample her family's history with yet another BBC catastrophe.
The Council won't help support some vital bus routes but want to play Noddy Trains!?! . Cllr Lawrence Williams is a sadistic little weasel! thanking Mrs Farris while preparing to trample her family's history with yet another BBC catastrophe. HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 17

11:40pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Bob49 says...

eyesropen wrote:
Wow somebody REALLY underestimated public opinion on this one!! That could be any or all of several arrogant idiots. Oops....
I think the dissent has barely begun.

This is a issue that will unite everyone as there is so much that is wrong about this decision.

I can see this going worldwide.
[quote][p][bold]eyesropen[/bold] wrote: Wow somebody REALLY underestimated public opinion on this one!! That could be any or all of several arrogant idiots. Oops....[/p][/quote]I think the dissent has barely begun. This is a issue that will unite everyone as there is so much that is wrong about this decision. I can see this going worldwide. Bob49
  • Score: 16

1:13am Sun 16 Mar 14

breamoreboy says...

BIGTONE wrote:
If it ain't broke......it will be by the Council.
You've just made my day, I roared with laughter :)
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: If it ain't broke......it will be by the Council.[/p][/quote]You've just made my day, I roared with laughter :) breamoreboy
  • Score: 9

7:25am Sun 16 Mar 14

freedom for pokesdown says...

No and the council excuse that the 'time is right' won't wash either
No and the council excuse that the 'time is right' won't wash either freedom for pokesdown
  • Score: 9

7:35am Sun 16 Mar 14

Lord Spring says...

Whilst on the Hengistbury Head subject is Chris Packham charging to open the visitors centre next month or is he doing it for love.

I have heard love does not come into it.
Whilst on the Hengistbury Head subject is Chris Packham charging to open the visitors centre next month or is he doing it for love. I have heard love does not come into it. Lord Spring
  • Score: 11

8:15am Sun 16 Mar 14

StKatherine says...

Five years ago Bournemouth Council decided the 'time was right' to bulldoze the outdoor education centre at Hengistbury Head. The public thought differently and fought that decision with a very positive outcome - looks like BBC have learnt nothing in those 5 years about listening to local opinion.
Five years ago Bournemouth Council decided the 'time was right' to bulldoze the outdoor education centre at Hengistbury Head. The public thought differently and fought that decision with a very positive outcome - looks like BBC have learnt nothing in those 5 years about listening to local opinion. StKatherine
  • Score: 16

8:40am Sun 16 Mar 14

Born in Bmth says...

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As I thought, not a local person. This makes interesting readinghttps://touch .www.linkedin.com/?s essionid=78204722510 56128&as=false&can=h ttp%253A%252F%252Fuk .linkedin.com%252Fpu b%252Flawrence-willi ams%252F9%252F183%25 2F77&rs=false#public -profile/http%3A%2F% 2Fuk.linkedin.com%2F pub%2Flawrence-willi ams%2F9%2F183%2F77 Note he has spent short periods as a traffic manager and with 2CR and look what happened there. Born in Bmth
  • Score: 8

9:41am Sun 16 Mar 14

BmthSarah says...

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Their Facebook page is at https://www.facebook .com/HengistburyHead TrainService BmthSarah
  • Score: 8

9:47am Sun 16 Mar 14

pedantica says...

and I bet they plan to move the revoltingly ugly garage from the prom to the new Hengistbury Head visitor centre as well, thus "improving the view" of the prom they managed to spoil! Oh, and then more beach huts will go into the garage footprint, thus more revenue.......I've thought for some time that Bournemouth could be classed as similar to Blackpool but without the seafront "attractions" but, sadly, the council are insistent on them coming 'cos "its what the visiting public expect / want" and the local population don't matter two hoots!
and I bet they plan to move the revoltingly ugly garage from the prom to the new Hengistbury Head visitor centre as well, thus "improving the view" of the prom they managed to spoil! Oh, and then more beach huts will go into the garage footprint, thus more revenue.......I've thought for some time that Bournemouth could be classed as similar to Blackpool but without the seafront "attractions" but, sadly, the council are insistent on them coming 'cos "its what the visiting public expect / want" and the local population don't matter two hoots! pedantica
  • Score: 8

10:08am Sun 16 Mar 14

JackJohnson says...

If it works, don't fix it.

I'm no Nostradamus, but I am going to make a prediction.

Council takes over service,
Council makes pig's ear of running service,
Council decides to outsource service
Councillor's company acquires right to run service.
If it works, don't fix it. I'm no Nostradamus, but I am going to make a prediction. Council takes over service, Council makes pig's ear of running service, Council decides to outsource service Councillor's company acquires right to run service. JackJohnson
  • Score: 15

10:10am Sun 16 Mar 14

Townee says...

Beasley has asked for tenders to relay the track now he is bidding for a larger train.
Let's hope that the people of Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch will vote out the idiots we have plundering OUR money not theirs.
Beasley has asked for tenders to relay the track now he is bidding for a larger train. Let's hope that the people of Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch will vote out the idiots we have plundering OUR money not theirs. Townee
  • Score: 12

10:15am Sun 16 Mar 14

ralphybaby says...

How dare anyone try to shut the Noddy train down? It''s been running I believe for all of my life! Used it a lot as have all of my family!It is a good experience & a damned good way to get from the car park 2 a decent beach & back again!
I will b 56years old at the end of this month & have used this service when I have visited my parents on a regular basis! I don't know how to tell my children & my granddaughter, that this attraction is being taken away from them & others? :-(
How dare anyone try to shut the Noddy train down? It''s been running I believe for all of my life! Used it a lot as have all of my family!It is a good experience & a damned good way to get from the car park 2 a decent beach & back again! I will b 56years old at the end of this month & have used this service when I have visited my parents on a regular basis! I don't know how to tell my children & my granddaughter, that this attraction is being taken away from them & others? :-( ralphybaby
  • Score: 14

10:15am Sun 16 Mar 14

LongDistanceRunner2 says...

The train that currently travels along the seafront just looks like an advertising hoarding on wheels. Was it Paultons Park and Peppa Pig last summer? Do we really want something that grotesquely out of character in an area of outstanding natural beauty?
The train that currently travels along the seafront just looks like an advertising hoarding on wheels. Was it Paultons Park and Peppa Pig last summer? Do we really want something that grotesquely out of character in an area of outstanding natural beauty? LongDistanceRunner2
  • Score: 19

10:21am Sun 16 Mar 14

JackJohnson says...

LongDistanceRunner2 wrote:
The train that currently travels along the seafront just looks like an advertising hoarding on wheels. Was it Paultons Park and Peppa Pig last summer? Do we really want something that grotesquely out of character in an area of outstanding natural beauty?
If selling the sides of the train for advertising helps to pay for it and keep fairs down, then that can't be a bad thing. It's space that is more likely to sell to leisure industry customers than any other type.
[quote][p][bold]LongDistanceRunner2[/bold] wrote: The train that currently travels along the seafront just looks like an advertising hoarding on wheels. Was it Paultons Park and Peppa Pig last summer? Do we really want something that grotesquely out of character in an area of outstanding natural beauty?[/p][/quote]If selling the sides of the train for advertising helps to pay for it and keep fairs down, then that can't be a bad thing. It's space that is more likely to sell to leisure industry customers than any other type. JackJohnson
  • Score: -18

10:27am Sun 16 Mar 14

Ferkster says...

I have never had any love for Bournemouth Council and this shows why. These councillors have no brains between them, they are stopping a perfectly good business for operating, purely to line their own pockets.

As always Bournemouth Council is only worried about who is going to buy their extortionate nights out, they don't care about the town....

to Councillor Williams, i think you have just ruined your career, and after this stupid decision, i sincerely hope you have....
I have never had any love for Bournemouth Council and this shows why. These councillors have no brains between them, they are stopping a perfectly good business for operating, purely to line their own pockets. As always Bournemouth Council is only worried about who is going to buy their extortionate nights out, they don't care about the town.... to Councillor Williams, i think you have just ruined your career, and after this stupid decision, i sincerely hope you have.... Ferkster
  • Score: 15

10:30am Sun 16 Mar 14

eyesropen says...

You have to wonder which council officer(s) suggested this was a good idea in the first place. I'm certain the idea didn't originate from this Councillor because I'm told it has been brewing for several years. Certain council officersdown there are equally as out of touch with pubic opinion (or rather do not care about it) and are very disdainful of the "Noddy train".
You have to wonder which council officer(s) suggested this was a good idea in the first place. I'm certain the idea didn't originate from this Councillor because I'm told it has been brewing for several years. Certain council officersdown there are equally as out of touch with pubic opinion (or rather do not care about it) and are very disdainful of the "Noddy train". eyesropen
  • Score: 7

10:33am Sun 16 Mar 14

askquestion says...

im convinced that bournemouth council employees really believe that not onlydo they own the whole town, they own all the people as well. dare to speak out over anything at all, and the response ( if you get one ) will be in the main, dictatorial.they know best ! must be a heavy burden carrying all that knowledge about every day. but necessary obviously as the residents clearly know stuff all.
the hengistbury head centre just looks like any rspb/national trust shop. with well over priced stuffed owls ! almost unrecognisable from the real animals. see it all before. takes about ten minutes to walk around and the only reason to revisit , are the loos !! meantime other areas are run down.

my dear little grandson loved that noddy train, and i took there one day over xmas a few years ago i dont see him now, but he would be so sad. the price is geared to families, not for commercialism. so once this greedy council get thier mitts on it, i would predict that most of the journeys will see the train empty for most of the year.

is there any thing that this council has done that they could be proud of ? trying to make it look like Blackpool but with sleazy clubs. and a horrible prison for sea creatures. Orcas coming soon ! leave SOMETHING for the kids for heavans sake.
im convinced that bournemouth council employees really believe that not onlydo they own the whole town, they own all the people as well. dare to speak out over anything at all, and the response ( if you get one ) will be in the main, dictatorial.they know best ! must be a heavy burden carrying all that knowledge about every day. but necessary obviously as the residents clearly know stuff all. the hengistbury head centre just looks like any rspb/national trust shop. with well over priced stuffed owls ! almost unrecognisable from the real animals. see it all before. takes about ten minutes to walk around and the only reason to revisit , are the loos !! meantime other areas are run down. my dear little grandson loved that noddy train, and i took there one day over xmas a few years ago i dont see him now, but he would be so sad. the price is geared to families, not for commercialism. so once this greedy council get thier mitts on it, i would predict that most of the journeys will see the train empty for most of the year. is there any thing that this council has done that they could be proud of ? trying to make it look like Blackpool but with sleazy clubs. and a horrible prison for sea creatures. Orcas coming soon ! leave SOMETHING for the kids for heavans sake. askquestion
  • Score: 10

10:34am Sun 16 Mar 14

Alumchiner says...

LongDistanceRunner2 wrote:
The train that currently travels along the seafront just looks like an advertising hoarding on wheels. Was it Paultons Park and Peppa Pig last summer? Do we really want something that grotesquely out of character in an area of outstanding natural beauty?
Exactly, its all about commercialisation and kiss me quick for the seafront now, if anyone want to see how that changes things - have a look at Blackpool now, a run down tacky town, scruffy and broke.

The thing is that we all get up in arms about councilors etc but at the end of the day the council staff just overide and do whatever they want.

Has anyone seen the council vandals ripping up and cutting away all the vegetation on the chines ? where's the public consultation, dialogue, supervision of contractors. Most of all, locals dont want this work done but council officers just order it to be carried out regardless. The train is just another example. It will be replaced with a larger , less frequent machine which is covered in adverts and costs more. Within a few years it will be stopped.
[quote][p][bold]LongDistanceRunner2[/bold] wrote: The train that currently travels along the seafront just looks like an advertising hoarding on wheels. Was it Paultons Park and Peppa Pig last summer? Do we really want something that grotesquely out of character in an area of outstanding natural beauty?[/p][/quote]Exactly, its all about commercialisation and kiss me quick for the seafront now, if anyone want to see how that changes things - have a look at Blackpool now, a run down tacky town, scruffy and broke. The thing is that we all get up in arms about councilors etc but at the end of the day the council staff just overide and do whatever they want. Has anyone seen the council vandals ripping up and cutting away all the vegetation on the chines ? where's the public consultation, dialogue, supervision of contractors. Most of all, locals dont want this work done but council officers just order it to be carried out regardless. The train is just another example. It will be replaced with a larger , less frequent machine which is covered in adverts and costs more. Within a few years it will be stopped. Alumchiner
  • Score: 10

10:37am Sun 16 Mar 14

richardcompton3 says...

Goodness help the service if it is run in the same way as the new visitor centre. The shop is a joke and a complete waste of time and money.
Goodness help the service if it is run in the same way as the new visitor centre. The shop is a joke and a complete waste of time and money. richardcompton3
  • Score: 9

10:39am Sun 16 Mar 14

thisloginprocessisdaft says...

Another council led disaster but for all of you that are upset about it when are you going to do something about it? The surf reef, the sign over the Spur Road and everything else, when will you actually do something about it?

Come the elections don't vote based on your political colours, isn't about time we moved to an independent led council and then to a elected mayor?

Until you do something they'll keep doing it.
Another council led disaster but for all of you that are upset about it when are you going to do something about it? The surf reef, the sign over the Spur Road and everything else, when will you actually do something about it? Come the elections don't vote based on your political colours, isn't about time we moved to an independent led council and then to a elected mayor? Until you do something they'll keep doing it. thisloginprocessisdaft
  • Score: 15

10:52am Sun 16 Mar 14

oversixty says...

ShuttleX wrote:
eyesropen wrote:
I have heard that the council train will only run from March to October unlike the 'Noddy train' which runs every day except Christmas day.

This decision is ludicrous when you consider that they spent all that money building an eco-friendly visitor centre. The council train has much higher carbon emissions, it will be much more intrusive on the landscape, it will encourage more people to visit creating even more disturbance to the flora and fauna. No doubt fares will be higher too. This seems like a money making scheme with no thought for the nature reserve or its heritage. They must be desperate to make the visitor centre pay: Word is it went way over budget.
It will run from April to October, as well as weekends during the off season. Prices will be the same as this year on the land train, £5 all day or £18 per family. That will be increasing next year mind.
The poster who mentioned S&D was not far off the mark. There is a plan to allow them to run it.
You are also right about the visitors centre being over budget. The projections for it's yearly income now puts it in the red for at least 4 years. Most of it's income is planned to come from the over priced stock in the shop. Although free at the moment, plans are being drawn up to charge a nominal entrance fee if the centre loses to much money.
Very interested in your comment ShuttleX! From the info you have given,I assume you are a Council employee?
Thanks for putting the gross mismanagement in the public domain!
The Countryside Team that run Hengistbury Head, other nature reserves etc need to be made accountable for what they are doing!
Have any of you been on one of their walks in the town?
£3 a head! Where does that money go?Often up to 70 people trampling over our precious nature reserves and learning very little about the flora and fauna.Where does conservation come into it?
[quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eyesropen[/bold] wrote: I have heard that the council train will only run from March to October unlike the 'Noddy train' which runs every day except Christmas day. This decision is ludicrous when you consider that they spent all that money building an eco-friendly visitor centre. The council train has much higher carbon emissions, it will be much more intrusive on the landscape, it will encourage more people to visit creating even more disturbance to the flora and fauna. No doubt fares will be higher too. This seems like a money making scheme with no thought for the nature reserve or its heritage. They must be desperate to make the visitor centre pay: Word is it went way over budget.[/p][/quote]It will run from April to October, as well as weekends during the off season. Prices will be the same as this year on the land train, £5 all day or £18 per family. That will be increasing next year mind. The poster who mentioned S&D was not far off the mark. There is a plan to allow them to run it. You are also right about the visitors centre being over budget. The projections for it's yearly income now puts it in the red for at least 4 years. Most of it's income is planned to come from the over priced stock in the shop. Although free at the moment, plans are being drawn up to charge a nominal entrance fee if the centre loses to much money.[/p][/quote]Very interested in your comment ShuttleX! From the info you have given,I assume you are a Council employee? Thanks for putting the gross mismanagement in the public domain! The Countryside Team that run Hengistbury Head, other nature reserves etc need to be made accountable for what they are doing! Have any of you been on one of their walks in the town? £3 a head! Where does that money go?Often up to 70 people trampling over our precious nature reserves and learning very little about the flora and fauna.Where does conservation come into it? oversixty
  • Score: 13

11:15am Sun 16 Mar 14

zephglad says...

JackJohnson writes:

"If selling the sides of the train for advertising helps to pay for it and keep fairs down, then that can't be a bad thing. It's space that is more likely to sell to leisure industry customers than any other type."

People go to the countryside to escape from urban life, from distracting advertising hoardings, words, images, bright lights, noisy traffic. We want to be somewhere soothing and green. We don't want to be bombarded with nasty, cynical advertising at Hengistbury Head. One of the many reasons why the 'Noddy Train' has been so acceptable is because of its simplicity, its Toytown appearance, its green paintwork which blends in with Nature, its lack of commercial purpose. Joyce Faris runs the train for the people, not to make money. Look how ridiculously low her prices are! There is a reason for that. Ask her and she will tell you, "I don't want to let people down who've been coming for decades. I want everyone to be able to afford the fares." She manages to keep going, nonetheless, to pay for the upkeep of the trains and to pay the drivers. No need for commercial interests at her wonderful age (89 in August!). She is a local business owner (born and bred in Tuckton), providing a gentle local service for two generations and she had no intention of giving up. I can see the headlines in the national papers: HEARTLESS COUNCIL GIVES ONE OF BRITAIN'S OLDEST EMPLOYER'S NOTICE TO QUIT.
JackJohnson writes: "If selling the sides of the train for advertising helps to pay for it and keep fairs down, then that can't be a bad thing. It's space that is more likely to sell to leisure industry customers than any other type." People go to the countryside to escape from urban life, from distracting advertising hoardings, words, images, bright lights, noisy traffic. We want to be somewhere soothing and green. We don't want to be bombarded with nasty, cynical advertising at Hengistbury Head. One of the many reasons why the 'Noddy Train' has been so acceptable is because of its simplicity, its Toytown appearance, its green paintwork which blends in with Nature, its lack of commercial purpose. Joyce Faris runs the train for the people, not to make money. Look how ridiculously low her prices are! There is a reason for that. Ask her and she will tell you, "I don't want to let people down who've been coming for decades. I want everyone to be able to afford the fares." She manages to keep going, nonetheless, to pay for the upkeep of the trains and to pay the drivers. No need for commercial interests at her wonderful age (89 in August!). She is a local business owner (born and bred in Tuckton), providing a gentle local service for two generations and she had no intention of giving up. I can see the headlines in the national papers: HEARTLESS COUNCIL GIVES ONE OF BRITAIN'S OLDEST EMPLOYER'S NOTICE TO QUIT. zephglad
  • Score: 17

11:24am Sun 16 Mar 14

RAMON HH says...

This is very sad news, the 'Noddy train' is an unobtrusive means of transport, that holds a certain charm in this beautiful area.
We do not want some sort of modern vehicle perhaps resembling a 'Disney' character or worse, like it or not; the train that runs along Bournemouth beach is fine for where it is, but certainly not for Hengistbury head.
This is very sad news, the 'Noddy train' is an unobtrusive means of transport, that holds a certain charm in this beautiful area. We do not want some sort of modern vehicle perhaps resembling a 'Disney' character or worse, like it or not; the train that runs along Bournemouth beach is fine for where it is, but certainly not for Hengistbury head. RAMON HH
  • Score: 15

11:45am Sun 16 Mar 14

WTFRUON says...

Ive only lived in Dorset for about twenty years and for fifteen of them we have been regular visitors to Hengisbury Head and what an incredibly sanctuary, area of natural beauty, and overall peaceful place it is. Im 51 years old and not considered by even people that know me to be the type of person concerned about a thing called the noddy train, well I am, when I read about this (about twenty mins ago) I actually turned away from my partner so she wouldnt see the tear in my eye.This decision is wrong in so many ways, some can be expressed with words some can only be felt deep inside us, if this were to proceed then as far as I am concerned the last remaining shreds of democracy will have been well and truly rinsed.

Joyce Faris has more guts determination and courage than any of those
w.. ankers at the council. It is clear by the numbers of people putting their x on petitions that this proposal ends now. Dorset has been my home for two decades and I probably havent given anything back, but this crap is wrong x3 just point me in the right direction wind me up and let me go.
Ive only lived in Dorset for about twenty years and for fifteen of them we have been regular visitors to Hengisbury Head and what an incredibly sanctuary, area of natural beauty, and overall peaceful place it is. Im 51 years old and not considered by even people that know me to be the type of person concerned about a thing called the noddy train, well I am, when I read about this (about twenty mins ago) I actually turned away from my partner so she wouldnt see the tear in my eye.This decision is wrong in so many ways, some can be expressed with words some can only be felt deep inside us, if this were to proceed then as far as I am concerned the last remaining shreds of democracy will have been well and truly rinsed. Joyce Faris has more guts determination and courage than any of those w.. ankers at the council. It is clear by the numbers of people putting their x on petitions that this proposal ends now. Dorset has been my home for two decades and I probably havent given anything back, but this crap is wrong x3 just point me in the right direction wind me up and let me go. WTFRUON
  • Score: 21

11:59am Sun 16 Mar 14

askquestion says...

maybe this does indeed need to hit the national press ! bournemouth council reminds me of the school swats who everyone ignores. then they get some whizzy idea and it gives them a role in life. so far they have produced a reef that doesnt work, an imax that cost a fortune to build and then to demolish. the seafront looks like Blackpool on a bad day waiting for Sea World !. over priced rides and garish colours everywhere. what a view. maybe the town is just for the teenagers after all.? meantime. an icon of a precious nature reserve is to taken over by yet more commercialism. whilst other reserves are neglected. little boys playing at grown up games. dwarfs pretending to be giants. it will never happen. remind me are there elections this year ?
maybe this does indeed need to hit the national press ! bournemouth council reminds me of the school swats who everyone ignores. then they get some whizzy idea and it gives them a role in life. so far they have produced a reef that doesnt work, an imax that cost a fortune to build and then to demolish. the seafront looks like Blackpool on a bad day waiting for Sea World !. over priced rides and garish colours everywhere. what a view. maybe the town is just for the teenagers after all.? meantime. an icon of a precious nature reserve is to taken over by yet more commercialism. whilst other reserves are neglected. little boys playing at grown up games. dwarfs pretending to be giants. it will never happen. remind me are there elections this year ? askquestion
  • Score: 13

12:32pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Buddles says...

Over 12,500 signatures on the petition! .....and still counting.

Here is the link again:
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I fervently hope the Council listens to its people, WHO IT SERVES.
As for the visitor centre, I went before Christmas shortly after it opened because I like to read about the geology and history of Hengistbury Head. I was also hoping to maybe purchase some gifts as Christmas presents. There were some nice things but way overpriced, certainly not suitable for tasteful souvenirs either, far too pricey.
Over 12,500 signatures on the petition! .....and still counting. Here is the link again: https://you.38degree s.org.uk/petitions/s ave-the-current-heng istbury-head-land-tr ain-service?source=f acebook-share-button &time=1394824640 I fervently hope the Council listens to its people, WHO IT SERVES. As for the visitor centre, I went before Christmas shortly after it opened because I like to read about the geology and history of Hengistbury Head. I was also hoping to maybe purchase some gifts as Christmas presents. There were some nice things but way overpriced, certainly not suitable for tasteful souvenirs either, far too pricey. Buddles
  • Score: 9

1:02pm Sun 16 Mar 14

freedom for pokesdown says...

I for one would be prepared to attend a demonstration to stop this happening - I suggest down at the Hungry Hiker on a Saturday or Sunday as soon as possible
I for one would be prepared to attend a demonstration to stop this happening - I suggest down at the Hungry Hiker on a Saturday or Sunday as soon as possible freedom for pokesdown
  • Score: 18

1:41pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Bob49 says...

The only real sadness will be if people do not take action.

Folk need to do what they can -

Sign the petitions

Write, email or phone yoiur local councillor.

Join any demonstration that you are able

Spread the word and encourage others to stand up to this

The council are our 'servants' .... not the other way round, so whatever you are able ... DO SOMETHING.
The only real sadness will be if people do not take action. Folk need to do what they can - Sign the petitions Write, email or phone yoiur local councillor. Join any demonstration that you are able Spread the word and encourage others to stand up to this The council are our 'servants' .... not the other way round, so whatever you are able ... DO SOMETHING. Bob49
  • Score: 15

2:16pm Sun 16 Mar 14

askquestion says...

my experience is over 45 years living in this town. once it had a charm about it. the square ? now a sort of circle , with hideous sheds at xmas time. it was a well known tourist meeting area. the stream meandered through the gardens. now its a sort of fish pond. the clock disappeared ! handy if you are meeting a coach.!. the heathland near me bristled with wild bird song, strange green/pink lizards, which i later learned were rare sand lizards. plenty of greenery, and i could count Dartford warblers in dozens. once i worked out what they were !

the image of this town nowadays is sleazy, full of night clubs, pole dancing, drugs, and crime. cars nicked and dumped out of town.
the sea front is a mini Blackpool. noise everywhere. i believe that most of the sand comes from the isle of wight ? dredged many years ago.

" my nature reserve is a shadow of its former self. birds and animals disappearing. no one seemingly accountable.
so to escape to Hengistbury head was an joy. if you take your own sandwiches and drinks ! hours can be spent somewhere peaceful. getting tired,? jump on the little train and back to the car
maybe councils everywhere have got far too used to governing themselves, living in a bubble away from those nasty voters. if this latest scam /scheme is allowed to go ahead, forget nature and wildlife. except some stuffed puffins who cant fight back !
my experience is over 45 years living in this town. once it had a charm about it. the square ? now a sort of circle , with hideous sheds at xmas time. it was a well known tourist meeting area. the stream meandered through the gardens. now its a sort of fish pond. the clock disappeared ! handy if you are meeting a coach.!. the heathland near me bristled with wild bird song, strange green/pink lizards, which i later learned were rare sand lizards. plenty of greenery, and i could count Dartford warblers in dozens. once i worked out what they were ! the image of this town nowadays is sleazy, full of night clubs, pole dancing, drugs, and crime. cars nicked and dumped out of town. the sea front is a mini Blackpool. noise everywhere. i believe that most of the sand comes from the isle of wight ? dredged many years ago. " my nature reserve is a shadow of its former self. birds and animals disappearing. no one seemingly accountable. so to escape to Hengistbury head was an joy. if you take your own sandwiches and drinks ! hours can be spent somewhere peaceful. getting tired,? jump on the little train and back to the car maybe councils everywhere have got far too used to governing themselves, living in a bubble away from those nasty voters. if this latest scam /scheme is allowed to go ahead, forget nature and wildlife. except some stuffed puffins who cant fight back ! askquestion
  • Score: 19

3:11pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Beatnik fly says...

Bob49 wrote:
The only real sadness will be if people do not take action.

Folk need to do what they can -

Sign the petitions

Write, email or phone yoiur local councillor.

Join any demonstration that you are able

Spread the word and encourage others to stand up to this

The council are our 'servants' .... not the other way round, so whatever you are able ... DO SOMETHING.
People are taking action behind the scenes, I assure you, there are some fairly influential folks around here who have the clout to make both bournemouth & Christchurch councils look up and listen. My only concern is that bournemouth will concede and keep the existing train by buying them from Joyce et al, run them for a year, then turn round and say they are not fit for purpose. They will then bring in those ghastly trains from bournemouth, until they decide it is not the revenue stream they anticipated, and axe it completely. Everybody has to have their syndical hat on, and try and see it from the councils point of view, a pure revenue stream.. Which will fail in the end. People power, stay posted on the land trains web site, sign the petition, and anyone out there who has contacts with national press, contact Alan Barnard & Joyce via their web site. Don,t forget to get all your friends to sign the petition
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: The only real sadness will be if people do not take action. Folk need to do what they can - Sign the petitions Write, email or phone yoiur local councillor. Join any demonstration that you are able Spread the word and encourage others to stand up to this The council are our 'servants' .... not the other way round, so whatever you are able ... DO SOMETHING.[/p][/quote]People are taking action behind the scenes, I assure you, there are some fairly influential folks around here who have the clout to make both bournemouth & Christchurch councils look up and listen. My only concern is that bournemouth will concede and keep the existing train by buying them from Joyce et al, run them for a year, then turn round and say they are not fit for purpose. They will then bring in those ghastly trains from bournemouth, until they decide it is not the revenue stream they anticipated, and axe it completely. Everybody has to have their syndical hat on, and try and see it from the councils point of view, a pure revenue stream.. Which will fail in the end. People power, stay posted on the land trains web site, sign the petition, and anyone out there who has contacts with national press, contact Alan Barnard & Joyce via their web site. Don,t forget to get all your friends to sign the petition Beatnik fly
  • Score: 9

4:05pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Bob49 says...

I accept that there is work already being 'done behind the scenes' as there would not be any of the petitions or demonstrations to take part in.

My concern was that a number of posters seemed to have an air of acceptance, calling it a shame that the Noddy train will go etc

My point was to state that there is much that can be done at every level. Simply informing those who may not read the Echo or this website is enough if that is all you are able to do.

Forget anyone being in favour of this .............. I cannot see there being anyone not strongly against this, and this needs to be shown publically.

The Echo will also need to decide where it stands on this matter as well.
I accept that there is work already being 'done behind the scenes' as there would not be any of the petitions or demonstrations to take part in. My concern was that a number of posters seemed to have an air of acceptance, calling it a shame that the Noddy train will go etc My point was to state that there is much that can be done at every level. Simply informing those who may not read the Echo or this website is enough if that is all you are able to do. Forget anyone being in favour of this .............. I cannot see there being anyone not strongly against this, and this needs to be shown publically. The Echo will also need to decide where it stands on this matter as well. Bob49
  • Score: 8

4:23pm Sun 16 Mar 14

askquestion says...

simply. power corrupts. didnt councillors once work for the community, not for the income, and free lunches. where did they go ?
simply. power corrupts. didnt councillors once work for the community, not for the income, and free lunches. where did they go ? askquestion
  • Score: 9

4:52pm Sun 16 Mar 14

JackJohnson says...

zephglad wrote:
JackJohnson writes:

"If selling the sides of the train for advertising helps to pay for it and keep fairs down, then that can't be a bad thing. It's space that is more likely to sell to leisure industry customers than any other type."

People go to the countryside to escape from urban life, from distracting advertising hoardings, words, images, bright lights, noisy traffic. We want to be somewhere soothing and green. We don't want to be bombarded with nasty, cynical advertising at Hengistbury Head. One of the many reasons why the 'Noddy Train' has been so acceptable is because of its simplicity, its Toytown appearance, its green paintwork which blends in with Nature, its lack of commercial purpose. Joyce Faris runs the train for the people, not to make money. Look how ridiculously low her prices are! There is a reason for that. Ask her and she will tell you, "I don't want to let people down who've been coming for decades. I want everyone to be able to afford the fares." She manages to keep going, nonetheless, to pay for the upkeep of the trains and to pay the drivers. No need for commercial interests at her wonderful age (89 in August!). She is a local business owner (born and bred in Tuckton), providing a gentle local service for two generations and she had no intention of giving up. I can see the headlines in the national papers: HEARTLESS COUNCIL GIVES ONE OF BRITAIN'S OLDEST EMPLOYER'S NOTICE TO QUIT.
If you'd be happy to pay more for a train without the advertising make that known to the operators. I'm sure, if there's a majority, she'll be happy to consider it and work out what the fares would have to be. If, as I suspect, the ads are subsidising the running costs and keeping the fares down the owner's age has nothing to do with it. Her business acumen has everything to do with it. The advertising is there for a reason. Why not ask her?

The train is successful so I see no reason to allow the council to get its grubby paws on it, so DON'T SHOUT, thank-you.
[quote][p][bold]zephglad[/bold] wrote: JackJohnson writes: "If selling the sides of the train for advertising helps to pay for it and keep fairs down, then that can't be a bad thing. It's space that is more likely to sell to leisure industry customers than any other type." People go to the countryside to escape from urban life, from distracting advertising hoardings, words, images, bright lights, noisy traffic. We want to be somewhere soothing and green. We don't want to be bombarded with nasty, cynical advertising at Hengistbury Head. One of the many reasons why the 'Noddy Train' has been so acceptable is because of its simplicity, its Toytown appearance, its green paintwork which blends in with Nature, its lack of commercial purpose. Joyce Faris runs the train for the people, not to make money. Look how ridiculously low her prices are! There is a reason for that. Ask her and she will tell you, "I don't want to let people down who've been coming for decades. I want everyone to be able to afford the fares." She manages to keep going, nonetheless, to pay for the upkeep of the trains and to pay the drivers. No need for commercial interests at her wonderful age (89 in August!). She is a local business owner (born and bred in Tuckton), providing a gentle local service for two generations and she had no intention of giving up. I can see the headlines in the national papers: HEARTLESS COUNCIL GIVES ONE OF BRITAIN'S OLDEST EMPLOYER'S NOTICE TO QUIT.[/p][/quote]If you'd be happy to pay more for a train without the advertising make that known to the operators. I'm sure, if there's a majority, she'll be happy to consider it and work out what the fares would have to be. If, as I suspect, the ads are subsidising the running costs and keeping the fares down the owner's age has nothing to do with it. Her business acumen has everything to do with it. The advertising is there for a reason. Why not ask her? The train is successful so I see no reason to allow the council to get its grubby paws on it, so DON'T SHOUT, thank-you. JackJohnson
  • Score: 2

5:42pm Sun 16 Mar 14

eyesropen says...

JackJohnson wrote:
zephglad wrote:
JackJohnson writes:

"If selling the sides of the train for advertising helps to pay for it and keep fairs down, then that can't be a bad thing. It's space that is more likely to sell to leisure industry customers than any other type."

People go to the countryside to escape from urban life, from distracting advertising hoardings, words, images, bright lights, noisy traffic. We want to be somewhere soothing and green. We don't want to be bombarded with nasty, cynical advertising at Hengistbury Head. One of the many reasons why the 'Noddy Train' has been so acceptable is because of its simplicity, its Toytown appearance, its green paintwork which blends in with Nature, its lack of commercial purpose. Joyce Faris runs the train for the people, not to make money. Look how ridiculously low her prices are! There is a reason for that. Ask her and she will tell you, "I don't want to let people down who've been coming for decades. I want everyone to be able to afford the fares." She manages to keep going, nonetheless, to pay for the upkeep of the trains and to pay the drivers. No need for commercial interests at her wonderful age (89 in August!). She is a local business owner (born and bred in Tuckton), providing a gentle local service for two generations and she had no intention of giving up. I can see the headlines in the national papers: HEARTLESS COUNCIL GIVES ONE OF BRITAIN'S OLDEST EMPLOYER'S NOTICE TO QUIT.
If you'd be happy to pay more for a train without the advertising make that known to the operators. I'm sure, if there's a majority, she'll be happy to consider it and work out what the fares would have to be. If, as I suspect, the ads are subsidising the running costs and keeping the fares down the owner's age has nothing to do with it. Her business acumen has everything to do with it. The advertising is there for a reason. Why not ask her?

The train is successful so I see no reason to allow the council to get its grubby paws on it, so DON'T SHOUT, thank-you.
I think you're confused. There is no advertising on the current Hengistbury train. The point being made is that the council trains that are proposed to take over the route do have.
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zephglad[/bold] wrote: JackJohnson writes: "If selling the sides of the train for advertising helps to pay for it and keep fairs down, then that can't be a bad thing. It's space that is more likely to sell to leisure industry customers than any other type." People go to the countryside to escape from urban life, from distracting advertising hoardings, words, images, bright lights, noisy traffic. We want to be somewhere soothing and green. We don't want to be bombarded with nasty, cynical advertising at Hengistbury Head. One of the many reasons why the 'Noddy Train' has been so acceptable is because of its simplicity, its Toytown appearance, its green paintwork which blends in with Nature, its lack of commercial purpose. Joyce Faris runs the train for the people, not to make money. Look how ridiculously low her prices are! There is a reason for that. Ask her and she will tell you, "I don't want to let people down who've been coming for decades. I want everyone to be able to afford the fares." She manages to keep going, nonetheless, to pay for the upkeep of the trains and to pay the drivers. No need for commercial interests at her wonderful age (89 in August!). She is a local business owner (born and bred in Tuckton), providing a gentle local service for two generations and she had no intention of giving up. I can see the headlines in the national papers: HEARTLESS COUNCIL GIVES ONE OF BRITAIN'S OLDEST EMPLOYER'S NOTICE TO QUIT.[/p][/quote]If you'd be happy to pay more for a train without the advertising make that known to the operators. I'm sure, if there's a majority, she'll be happy to consider it and work out what the fares would have to be. If, as I suspect, the ads are subsidising the running costs and keeping the fares down the owner's age has nothing to do with it. Her business acumen has everything to do with it. The advertising is there for a reason. Why not ask her? The train is successful so I see no reason to allow the council to get its grubby paws on it, so DON'T SHOUT, thank-you.[/p][/quote]I think you're confused. There is no advertising on the current Hengistbury train. The point being made is that the council trains that are proposed to take over the route do have. eyesropen
  • Score: 7

5:54pm Sun 16 Mar 14

JackJohnson says...

eyesropen wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
zephglad wrote:
JackJohnson writes:

"If selling the sides of the train for advertising helps to pay for it and keep fairs down, then that can't be a bad thing. It's space that is more likely to sell to leisure industry customers than any other type."

People go to the countryside to escape from urban life, from distracting advertising hoardings, words, images, bright lights, noisy traffic. We want to be somewhere soothing and green. We don't want to be bombarded with nasty, cynical advertising at Hengistbury Head. One of the many reasons why the 'Noddy Train' has been so acceptable is because of its simplicity, its Toytown appearance, its green paintwork which blends in with Nature, its lack of commercial purpose. Joyce Faris runs the train for the people, not to make money. Look how ridiculously low her prices are! There is a reason for that. Ask her and she will tell you, "I don't want to let people down who've been coming for decades. I want everyone to be able to afford the fares." She manages to keep going, nonetheless, to pay for the upkeep of the trains and to pay the drivers. No need for commercial interests at her wonderful age (89 in August!). She is a local business owner (born and bred in Tuckton), providing a gentle local service for two generations and she had no intention of giving up. I can see the headlines in the national papers: HEARTLESS COUNCIL GIVES ONE OF BRITAIN'S OLDEST EMPLOYER'S NOTICE TO QUIT.
If you'd be happy to pay more for a train without the advertising make that known to the operators. I'm sure, if there's a majority, she'll be happy to consider it and work out what the fares would have to be. If, as I suspect, the ads are subsidising the running costs and keeping the fares down the owner's age has nothing to do with it. Her business acumen has everything to do with it. The advertising is there for a reason. Why not ask her?

The train is successful so I see no reason to allow the council to get its grubby paws on it, so DON'T SHOUT, thank-you.
I think you're confused. There is no advertising on the current Hengistbury train. The point being made is that the council trains that are proposed to take over the route do have.
Ah! My bad!

Advertising was first mentioned by LongDistanceRunner about a different train.

So everything's already the way people want it. That's the way it should stay. It ain't broke, so don't fix it.

Thank-you for putting me right on that.
[quote][p][bold]eyesropen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zephglad[/bold] wrote: JackJohnson writes: "If selling the sides of the train for advertising helps to pay for it and keep fairs down, then that can't be a bad thing. It's space that is more likely to sell to leisure industry customers than any other type." People go to the countryside to escape from urban life, from distracting advertising hoardings, words, images, bright lights, noisy traffic. We want to be somewhere soothing and green. We don't want to be bombarded with nasty, cynical advertising at Hengistbury Head. One of the many reasons why the 'Noddy Train' has been so acceptable is because of its simplicity, its Toytown appearance, its green paintwork which blends in with Nature, its lack of commercial purpose. Joyce Faris runs the train for the people, not to make money. Look how ridiculously low her prices are! There is a reason for that. Ask her and she will tell you, "I don't want to let people down who've been coming for decades. I want everyone to be able to afford the fares." She manages to keep going, nonetheless, to pay for the upkeep of the trains and to pay the drivers. No need for commercial interests at her wonderful age (89 in August!). She is a local business owner (born and bred in Tuckton), providing a gentle local service for two generations and she had no intention of giving up. I can see the headlines in the national papers: HEARTLESS COUNCIL GIVES ONE OF BRITAIN'S OLDEST EMPLOYER'S NOTICE TO QUIT.[/p][/quote]If you'd be happy to pay more for a train without the advertising make that known to the operators. I'm sure, if there's a majority, she'll be happy to consider it and work out what the fares would have to be. If, as I suspect, the ads are subsidising the running costs and keeping the fares down the owner's age has nothing to do with it. Her business acumen has everything to do with it. The advertising is there for a reason. Why not ask her? The train is successful so I see no reason to allow the council to get its grubby paws on it, so DON'T SHOUT, thank-you.[/p][/quote]I think you're confused. There is no advertising on the current Hengistbury train. The point being made is that the council trains that are proposed to take over the route do have.[/p][/quote]Ah! My bad! Advertising was first mentioned by LongDistanceRunner about a different train. So everything's already the way people want it. That's the way it should stay. It ain't broke, so don't fix it. Thank-you for putting me right on that. JackJohnson
  • Score: 5

8:20pm Sun 16 Mar 14

stanlake says...

Another fiasco looming! Could the Echo please make sure we are provided with the names of the Councillors who approved this so that we may make a concerted effort to inform them via protests by e - mail and letter to them personally. Also could you ensure that the financial projections, which of course will be a gross under estimate on costs and an even grosser over estimate on returns, are made public? Then perhaps a campaign can ensue to remove these Councillors at election time and thus deprive them of their undeserved incomes. Let's get rid of the parasites!
Another fiasco looming! Could the Echo please make sure we are provided with the names of the Councillors who approved this so that we may make a concerted effort to inform them via protests by e - mail and letter to them personally. Also could you ensure that the financial projections, which of course will be a gross under estimate on costs and an even grosser over estimate on returns, are made public? Then perhaps a campaign can ensue to remove these Councillors at election time and thus deprive them of their undeserved incomes. Let's get rid of the parasites! stanlake
  • Score: 8

8:31pm Sun 16 Mar 14

mythoughts! says...

Take, take, take. Shame on you council...
Take, take, take. Shame on you council... mythoughts!
  • Score: 6

8:34pm Sun 16 Mar 14

eyesropen says...

ShuttleX wrote:
eyesropen wrote:
I have heard that the council train will only run from March to October unlike the 'Noddy train' which runs every day except Christmas day.

This decision is ludicrous when you consider that they spent all that money building an eco-friendly visitor centre. The council train has much higher carbon emissions, it will be much more intrusive on the landscape, it will encourage more people to visit creating even more disturbance to the flora and fauna. No doubt fares will be higher too. This seems like a money making scheme with no thought for the nature reserve or its heritage. They must be desperate to make the visitor centre pay: Word is it went way over budget.
It will run from April to October, as well as weekends during the off season. Prices will be the same as this year on the land train, £5 all day or £18 per family. That will be increasing next year mind.
The poster who mentioned S&D was not far off the mark. There is a plan to allow them to run it.
You are also right about the visitors centre being over budget. The projections for it's yearly income now puts it in the red for at least 4 years. Most of it's income is planned to come from the over priced stock in the shop. Although free at the moment, plans are being drawn up to charge a nominal entrance fee if the centre loses to much money.
Ah, perhaps the visitor centre **** up also explains why BBC are so eager to pull their funding out of the Urban Heaths Partnership which provides excellent heathland education to schools, a wardening service, and events among other things. Much of their activity takes place in North Bournemouth where the nature reserves are already suffering from all the resources being directed at this visitor centre. As a result the partnership will most likely fold rendering their staff unemployed and the heathlands more vulnerable to fires and other anti-social behaviour. All roads seem to lead back to the visitor centre (mis)management! More people being shipped in from the seafront on their blue trains means more people going into their shop. Never mind the nature of Hengistbury Head and to hell with the town's other nature reserves.
[quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eyesropen[/bold] wrote: I have heard that the council train will only run from March to October unlike the 'Noddy train' which runs every day except Christmas day. This decision is ludicrous when you consider that they spent all that money building an eco-friendly visitor centre. The council train has much higher carbon emissions, it will be much more intrusive on the landscape, it will encourage more people to visit creating even more disturbance to the flora and fauna. No doubt fares will be higher too. This seems like a money making scheme with no thought for the nature reserve or its heritage. They must be desperate to make the visitor centre pay: Word is it went way over budget.[/p][/quote]It will run from April to October, as well as weekends during the off season. Prices will be the same as this year on the land train, £5 all day or £18 per family. That will be increasing next year mind. The poster who mentioned S&D was not far off the mark. There is a plan to allow them to run it. You are also right about the visitors centre being over budget. The projections for it's yearly income now puts it in the red for at least 4 years. Most of it's income is planned to come from the over priced stock in the shop. Although free at the moment, plans are being drawn up to charge a nominal entrance fee if the centre loses to much money.[/p][/quote]Ah, perhaps the visitor centre **** up also explains why BBC are so eager to pull their funding out of the Urban Heaths Partnership which provides excellent heathland education to schools, a wardening service, and events among other things. Much of their activity takes place in North Bournemouth where the nature reserves are already suffering from all the resources being directed at this visitor centre. As a result the partnership will most likely fold rendering their staff unemployed and the heathlands more vulnerable to fires and other anti-social behaviour. All roads seem to lead back to the visitor centre (mis)management! More people being shipped in from the seafront on their blue trains means more people going into their shop. Never mind the nature of Hengistbury Head and to hell with the town's other nature reserves. eyesropen
  • Score: 5

8:51pm Sun 16 Mar 14

oversixty says...

eyesropen wrote:
ShuttleX wrote:
eyesropen wrote:
I have heard that the council train will only run from March to October unlike the 'Noddy train' which runs every day except Christmas day.

This decision is ludicrous when you consider that they spent all that money building an eco-friendly visitor centre. The council train has much higher carbon emissions, it will be much more intrusive on the landscape, it will encourage more people to visit creating even more disturbance to the flora and fauna. No doubt fares will be higher too. This seems like a money making scheme with no thought for the nature reserve or its heritage. They must be desperate to make the visitor centre pay: Word is it went way over budget.
It will run from April to October, as well as weekends during the off season. Prices will be the same as this year on the land train, £5 all day or £18 per family. That will be increasing next year mind.
The poster who mentioned S&D was not far off the mark. There is a plan to allow them to run it.
You are also right about the visitors centre being over budget. The projections for it's yearly income now puts it in the red for at least 4 years. Most of it's income is planned to come from the over priced stock in the shop. Although free at the moment, plans are being drawn up to charge a nominal entrance fee if the centre loses to much money.
Ah, perhaps the visitor centre **** up also explains why BBC are so eager to pull their funding out of the Urban Heaths Partnership which provides excellent heathland education to schools, a wardening service, and events among other things. Much of their activity takes place in North Bournemouth where the nature reserves are already suffering from all the resources being directed at this visitor centre. As a result the partnership will most likely fold rendering their staff unemployed and the heathlands more vulnerable to fires and other anti-social behaviour. All roads seem to lead back to the visitor centre (mis)management! More people being shipped in from the seafront on their blue trains means more people going into their shop. Never mind the nature of Hengistbury Head and to hell with the town's other nature reserves.
Well said eyesropen!
The UHP do a superb job as everyone knows who comes into contact with them,(Except BBC of course!)and are regularly seen on those nature reserves they patrol which is more than can be said for the Council team!!
Disgraceful attitude towards a fine team!
All that matters is money, money money!
Hengistbury Head attracts visitors which sets off the £ signs for the Council.The 9 other Local Nature Reserves, some of which are Sites of Scientific Interest don't attract such visitor numbers but are nonetheless very important as green lungs of the town.
Who is there to go to to protest?
[quote][p][bold]eyesropen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eyesropen[/bold] wrote: I have heard that the council train will only run from March to October unlike the 'Noddy train' which runs every day except Christmas day. This decision is ludicrous when you consider that they spent all that money building an eco-friendly visitor centre. The council train has much higher carbon emissions, it will be much more intrusive on the landscape, it will encourage more people to visit creating even more disturbance to the flora and fauna. No doubt fares will be higher too. This seems like a money making scheme with no thought for the nature reserve or its heritage. They must be desperate to make the visitor centre pay: Word is it went way over budget.[/p][/quote]It will run from April to October, as well as weekends during the off season. Prices will be the same as this year on the land train, £5 all day or £18 per family. That will be increasing next year mind. The poster who mentioned S&D was not far off the mark. There is a plan to allow them to run it. You are also right about the visitors centre being over budget. The projections for it's yearly income now puts it in the red for at least 4 years. Most of it's income is planned to come from the over priced stock in the shop. Although free at the moment, plans are being drawn up to charge a nominal entrance fee if the centre loses to much money.[/p][/quote]Ah, perhaps the visitor centre **** up also explains why BBC are so eager to pull their funding out of the Urban Heaths Partnership which provides excellent heathland education to schools, a wardening service, and events among other things. Much of their activity takes place in North Bournemouth where the nature reserves are already suffering from all the resources being directed at this visitor centre. As a result the partnership will most likely fold rendering their staff unemployed and the heathlands more vulnerable to fires and other anti-social behaviour. All roads seem to lead back to the visitor centre (mis)management! More people being shipped in from the seafront on their blue trains means more people going into their shop. Never mind the nature of Hengistbury Head and to hell with the town's other nature reserves.[/p][/quote]Well said eyesropen! The UHP do a superb job as everyone knows who comes into contact with them,(Except BBC of course!)and are regularly seen on those nature reserves they patrol which is more than can be said for the Council team!! Disgraceful attitude towards a fine team! All that matters is money, money money! Hengistbury Head attracts visitors which sets off the £ signs for the Council.The 9 other Local Nature Reserves, some of which are Sites of Scientific Interest don't attract such visitor numbers but are nonetheless very important as green lungs of the town. Who is there to go to to protest? oversixty
  • Score: 7

9:06pm Sun 16 Mar 14

zephglad says...

I wasn't shouting, JackJohnson. I wrote in capitals how I would like to see the headlines. Thank you.
I wasn't shouting, JackJohnson. I wrote in capitals how I would like to see the headlines. Thank you. zephglad
  • Score: 2

12:37am Mon 17 Mar 14

AnastasiaB says...

Petition going well and only needs 750 more people to reach 15,000. Keep Signing.
Petition going well and only needs 750 more people to reach 15,000. Keep Signing. AnastasiaB
  • Score: 6

9:03am Mon 17 Mar 14

Joy Dean says...

I have signed the petition and shared it on facebook. I have lived in this area since 1973.
The "noddy train" is very important, for people and for tourism.
I have signed the petition and shared it on facebook. I have lived in this area since 1973. The "noddy train" is very important, for people and for tourism. Joy Dean
  • Score: 3

11:23am Mon 17 Mar 14

Brock_and_Roll says...

On a positive note, at least South West Trains are not going to operate it!
On a positive note, at least South West Trains are not going to operate it! Brock_and_Roll
  • Score: -5

11:38am Mon 17 Mar 14

Gecho says...

Additional issues are

the character of the track,- narrow, twisty, wooded quite unlike that of the Bournemouth land train and well used by walkers, dogs, cyclists, disabled vehicles etc. The traditional Noddy fits in, the wider Bournemouth land train will not.

the existing service is all year round, the replacement won't be.

the Noddy also runs a landrover that delivers stuff and people to beach huts and the Black House- a vital service.
Additional issues are the character of the track,- narrow, twisty, wooded quite unlike that of the Bournemouth land train and well used by walkers, dogs, cyclists, disabled vehicles etc. The traditional Noddy fits in, the wider Bournemouth land train will not. the existing service is all year round, the replacement won't be. the Noddy also runs a landrover that delivers stuff and people to beach huts and the Black House- a vital service. Gecho
  • Score: 4

12:44pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Ferkster says...

If the petition gets 100,000 signatures it will go to parliament!! And councillor Williams, how does this petition not stand? The government use e-petitions all the time! Maybe the 15,000 signatures could be turned into letters and delivered to your home instead? Im sure that could be arranged!!
If the petition gets 100,000 signatures it will go to parliament!! And councillor Williams, how does this petition not stand? The government use e-petitions all the time! Maybe the 15,000 signatures could be turned into letters and delivered to your home instead? Im sure that could be arranged!! Ferkster
  • Score: 3

1:35pm Mon 17 Mar 14

skydriver says...

Ferkster wrote:
If the petition gets 100,000 signatures it will go to parliament!! And councillor Williams, how does this petition not stand? The government use e-petitions all the time! Maybe the 15,000 signatures could be turned into letters and delivered to your home instead? Im sure that could be arranged!!
Just goes to show what an imbecile he is, he of all should, I said should ,understand the rules .as he doesn't he shouldn't be in any office , let alone be a councillor.
[quote][p][bold]Ferkster[/bold] wrote: If the petition gets 100,000 signatures it will go to parliament!! And councillor Williams, how does this petition not stand? The government use e-petitions all the time! Maybe the 15,000 signatures could be turned into letters and delivered to your home instead? Im sure that could be arranged!![/p][/quote]Just goes to show what an imbecile he is, he of all should, I said should ,understand the rules .as he doesn't he shouldn't be in any office , let alone be a councillor. skydriver
  • Score: 4

3:43pm Mon 17 Mar 14

speedy231278 says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
On a positive note, at least South West Trains are not going to operate it!
What's the betting S+D end up with the franchise?
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: On a positive note, at least South West Trains are not going to operate it![/p][/quote]What's the betting S+D end up with the franchise? speedy231278
  • Score: 1

5:15pm Mon 17 Mar 14

St Albans Cherry says...

I was born in Boscombe Hospital. Given some sort of pants education in the 70s (Old Porchester School). I have left now and live so far away but I have frequently returned. My last nostalgia trip was this week end. I have seen change. I am shocked . A sanitised Mudeford Harbour, but that was at least still full of crabbers. How I remember getting my little piece of fish head and emerging with a spider crab or three down the years. Those crabs are almost as greedy as our councillors! (Hey why not charge these families Christchurch? You have missed a trick, demand a tenner for the simple pleasure of fishing the Run. “Roll up, roll up!” I can see it now!)

Then onwards onto an over-blown ferry to the Mudeford sandbar (my family once rented one of those Gin Palaces you now find there BTW). The swollen ferry is almost as wide as its length. How I remember the olde fisherfolke that rowed us across for just a few coppers. (It's now £1.30 a single crossing) Don't think the council have much control but probably charge a fortune for the licence? One day the greedy little council will want to run their own service surely and will go the same way as the Noddy Train? Meanwhile they have allowed the loss of Christchurch's Bowls Club, why? Well it now means they can allow a car park for the pub that have coveted that piece of land for a decade. So now Christchurch will probably allow sympathetic (that means include a couple of Olive trees (Greek ones) and (French Lavender) car parking inside the grounds of our historic Priory. You know that one, the on with the Miraculous Beam! I REALLY THINK THEY MEAN TO DO THIS GUYS!

Sorry minor rant over, so back to last Sunday. Off the ferry I faced a walk past a million dogs (Off their leads c@@@ping everywhere) and people crowding the over priced restaurant with its sloppy service ( I recall no change there then, how wonderfully sentimental, exactly the same over priced rubbish grub just like the 60s-90s!) At least they are still family run and maximising their profits before the summer again rains on their parade!).

So onwards towards the car park at Hengistbury Head. Oh my the Noddy train has been kicked out of its garage and now a visitor's centre is there. My what a useless idea and shame on you historians that didn't oppose this little tilt at sacrilege. Why did the Red House Museum think that was a good idea. For the love of Larks I hear you cry! How did that little gem get past planning? There is an IRON AGE settlement of huge importance somewhere underneath this little lot! What has happened to this sacred place?

Am I anti change? Am I conservative? No and no! I just think it all very sad. Hey and the Gin Palaces on Mudeford sand bar be very careful about protest or the powers that be will stick a huge road in for you and and a chargeable car park near by that maligned restaurant. After all so many more people want to get a good look inside your windows on a sunny Sunday that surely that has to come? Chin Chin to your Bombay Sapphire I say! (You think that impossible? Go and see Mevegissy these days!

I blame all of us that have voted for or allowed change to hallowed grounds over the years. (Mudeford Harbour, Avon Beach, Mudeford's sand-bar, The loss of The Avonmouth (Note their sneak attack aligned with the planners there? “Nice millionaires of course you can have new builds with views next to the pub with the posh grub!”). Who was on that planning committee? Do you really want Mudeford to be a little Sandbanks? Well that's where you are going. Cheers!

Some of you are as much to blame as the councillors! Foolish die-hard loyalty to a political badges, why? Surely the loss of so much should make you transcend party beliefs? Go and petition and do it today, anyone that will listen. Start to turn back decisions, these useless over paid bureaucrats, that they have helped change the face of Bournemouth and Christchurch. Make them accountable. Why not run yourself against them? The next decades changes stop them getting passed by the planners and stop the rot!


I don't visit the centre of Bournemouth any more. It's a disgrace, who allowed Pier approach to die? The Royal Bath is no longer regal. Why the chip shop Harry Ramsden's? Why destroy the Winter Gardens? The loss is endless you are turning something remarkable, founded by the Tregonwells, into something awful in the name of progress, I don't think so.

Do we really not have a plan B to this so called progress? What was Boscombe's reef all about. Why did we lose Boscombe Hospital ( I can understand the loss of Porchester Boys' School!) I actually liked the like the Reef plans and actually felt there was some joined up writing being applied. I was mistaken. Dodgy dealing has prevailed and it's today a huge white elephant. Where are the planners that agreed that little stunt then? In Christchurch similar story. Just how many more beach huts at £25 k do they want on Avon Beach? Too bl@@dy many!

Come on Bournemouth and Christchurch residents stir, protest and do something amazing for your kids and grand kids. Don't let me come home again and find this beautiful part of the world descend any lower!
I was born in Boscombe Hospital. Given some sort of pants education in the 70s (Old Porchester School). I have left now and live so far away but I have frequently returned. My last nostalgia trip was this week end. I have seen change. I am shocked . A sanitised Mudeford Harbour, but that was at least still full of crabbers. How I remember getting my little piece of fish head and emerging with a spider crab or three down the years. Those crabs are almost as greedy as our councillors! (Hey why not charge these families Christchurch? You have missed a trick, demand a tenner for the simple pleasure of fishing the Run. “Roll up, roll up!” I can see it now!) Then onwards onto an over-blown ferry to the Mudeford sandbar (my family once rented one of those Gin Palaces you now find there BTW). The swollen ferry is almost as wide as its length. How I remember the olde fisherfolke that rowed us across for just a few coppers. (It's now £1.30 a single crossing) Don't think the council have much control but probably charge a fortune for the licence? One day the greedy little council will want to run their own service surely and will go the same way as the Noddy Train? Meanwhile they have allowed the loss of Christchurch's Bowls Club, why? Well it now means they can allow a car park for the pub that have coveted that piece of land for a decade. So now Christchurch will probably allow sympathetic (that means include a couple of Olive trees (Greek ones) and (French Lavender) car parking inside the grounds of our historic Priory. You know that one, the on with the Miraculous Beam! I REALLY THINK THEY MEAN TO DO THIS GUYS! Sorry minor rant over, so back to last Sunday. Off the ferry I faced a walk past a million dogs (Off their leads c@@@ping everywhere) and people crowding the over priced restaurant with its sloppy service ( I recall no change there then, how wonderfully sentimental, exactly the same over priced rubbish grub just like the 60s-90s!) At least they are still family run and maximising their profits before the summer again rains on their parade!). So onwards towards the car park at Hengistbury Head. Oh my the Noddy train has been kicked out of its garage and now a visitor's centre is there. My what a useless idea and shame on you historians that didn't oppose this little tilt at sacrilege. Why did the Red House Museum think that was a good idea. For the love of Larks I hear you cry! How did that little gem get past planning? There is an IRON AGE settlement of huge importance somewhere underneath this little lot! What has happened to this sacred place? Am I anti change? Am I conservative? No and no! I just think it all very sad. Hey and the Gin Palaces on Mudeford sand bar be very careful about protest or the powers that be will stick a huge road in for you and and a chargeable car park near by that maligned restaurant. After all so many more people want to get a good look inside your windows on a sunny Sunday that surely that has to come? Chin Chin to your Bombay Sapphire I say! (You think that impossible? Go and see Mevegissy these days! I blame all of us that have voted for or allowed change to hallowed grounds over the years. (Mudeford Harbour, Avon Beach, Mudeford's sand-bar, The loss of The Avonmouth (Note their sneak attack aligned with the planners there? “Nice millionaires of course you can have new builds with views next to the pub with the posh grub!”). Who was on that planning committee? Do you really want Mudeford to be a little Sandbanks? Well that's where you are going. Cheers! Some of you are as much to blame as the councillors! Foolish die-hard loyalty to a political badges, why? Surely the loss of so much should make you transcend party beliefs? Go and petition and do it today, anyone that will listen. Start to turn back decisions, these useless over paid bureaucrats, that they have helped change the face of Bournemouth and Christchurch. Make them accountable. Why not run yourself against them? The next decades changes stop them getting passed by the planners and stop the rot! I don't visit the centre of Bournemouth any more. It's a disgrace, who allowed Pier approach to die? The Royal Bath is no longer regal. Why the chip shop Harry Ramsden's? Why destroy the Winter Gardens? The loss is endless you are turning something remarkable, founded by the Tregonwells, into something awful in the name of progress, I don't think so. Do we really not have a plan B to this so called progress? What was Boscombe's reef all about. Why did we lose Boscombe Hospital ( I can understand the loss of Porchester Boys' School!) I actually liked the like the Reef plans and actually felt there was some joined up writing being applied. I was mistaken. Dodgy dealing has prevailed and it's today a huge white elephant. Where are the planners that agreed that little stunt then? In Christchurch similar story. Just how many more beach huts at £25 k do they want on Avon Beach? Too bl@@dy many! Come on Bournemouth and Christchurch residents stir, protest and do something amazing for your kids and grand kids. Don't let me come home again and find this beautiful part of the world descend any lower! St Albans Cherry
  • Score: 3

6:38pm Tue 18 Mar 14

trevone says...

Another useless decision by our completely out of touch council. When will they ever learn? The Land train at Hengistbury is completly iconic and needs to stay- roll on the next election when we can vote this useless lot out.
Another useless decision by our completely out of touch council. When will they ever learn? The Land train at Hengistbury is completly iconic and needs to stay- roll on the next election when we can vote this useless lot out. trevone
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