Disgraced former councillor and convicted fraudster Tony Ramsden elected branch chairman of the FSB

CONVICTED fraudster Tony Ramsden arriving at Bournemouth Crown Court

David Ramsden

Ken Moon

Ken Parke

Christchurch councillor Colin Jamieson

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CONVICTED fraudster Tony Ramsden has been elected chairman of a top business organisation in a move branded “shocking” and “unbelievable”.

The Bournemouth planning consultant is free after serving part of a 10-month jail sentence handed down by a judge who branded him a “liability in business”.

Now the former councillor, who is currently looking for a full-time job, has been elected chairman of the Federation of Small Businesses’ (FSB) branch in Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch – despite his conviction, three bankruptcies and a six-year ban as a company director.

His father David is the branch’s secretary.

Mr Ramsden, also known as Ramsden-Geary, was convicted by a jury last September of obtaining credit as an undisclosed bankrupt.

He had denied the charge, which related to a loan of £25,000 from business partner Christopher Wardrop.

He had already pleaded guilty to five offences under the Insolvency Act.

Ken Parke, who runs Ken Parke Planning Consultants in Winton, said: “I’m speechless.

“I’m shocked that someone who was convicted of fraudulently running a business has been elected to look after such an organisation.”

Nick Hart, who lost money in one of Mr Ramsden’s business ventures, said of the appointment: “It’s so wrong, it’s unbelievable.

“How can a person who is totally dishonest, declared a liability in business, a liar, a three times bankrupt, be at the head of a federation looking after small businesses?”

Ian Elliot, former managing director of Salad Creative, who says the company is still owed money by Mr Ramsden’s business for printing work, said the appointment was “farcical”.

“It’s utterly unbelievable,” he said. “He’s a person that’s ripped off small business. Small businesses shouldn’t have anything to do with the guy.”

But Christchurch councillor Colin Jamieson, a former regional officer with the FSB, said: “Tony is a very dynamic and forward-thinking person. I’m sure the FSB of Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch would thrive under his leadership.”

At the sentencing last year, Judge John Harrow said Mr Ramsden’s three bankruptcies were “quite a record”.

He added: “By the time of your second bankruptcy, it should have been painfully obvious that you were a liability in business.

“The rules are there to prevent exactly this kind of situation. You ploughed on and continued running and being actively involved in business. You were prepared to lie to your trustee in bankruptcy and acquaintance Mr Wardrop and conceal vital information. You flouted all the rules.”

Banning him as a director for six years, he added: “In my view, you're unfit to act as a company director.”

Former Bournemouth council colleague Cllr David Smith said: “I wish Mr Ramsden all the very best in his new post but considering he’s spent a period of time in prison for offences involving dishonesty, I’m somewhat surprised he’s undertaking this role.”

Another senior Conservative in Dorset said he would be asking questions about “whether this person is the best ambassador” for the FSB.

He added: “Are we so short of good people to step forward and do these things?”

Ken Moon, regional chair for FSB Wessex, said in a statement: “The Federation of Small Businesses represents businessmen and women from all over the UK and has a very successful membership base in the Bournemouth area.

“Tony Ramsden was elected by members, and the FSB is a leading voice of business in the region and would welcome employers/owners from small and medium size firms to the organisation.”

But FSB Wessex declined to comment further on whether Mr Ramsden was a suitable branch chairman.

The national FSB said it was a matter for the regional office.

Mr Ramsden said: “I can confirm that I was recently elected chairman of the FSB (Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch branch) by the members.”

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Ramsden leads committee of six

TONY Ramsden now heads a committee of six as chair of the Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch branch of the FSB.

His vice-chairman, Jeff Pearce of Verwood-based Oakpark Security Dorset, did not want to comment but indicated he was unaware of Mr Ramsden’s criminal conviction.

The branch’s secretary is Mr Ramsden’s father David, who has previously been chairman.

The other three committee members are Russell Bowyer, Andrew Davis and Matthew Lawson.

Federation ‘protects interests’

THE Federation of Small Businesses describes itself as the UK’s largest campaigning pressure group.

It works to promote and protect the interests of small firms and the self-employed.

Its code of conduct for members says: “Members should endeavour to follow the principles adhered to by those in public office – Selflessness, Integrity, Objectivity, Accountability, Openness, Honesty and Leadership.”

The association has more than 200,000 members in 33 regions and 194 branches.

The federation’s 19-strong national policy team includes Tony Ramsden’s father David, as its tax and economic affairs chairman.

Father works as secretary

TONY Ramsden’s father David has, like his son, been chairman of the local FSB branch and been bankrupted.

Mr Ramsden senior, now branch secretary, is the owner of David Ramsden Associates.

He is also one of the FSB’s leading national figures, acting as its tax and economic affairs chairman.

Last year, he gave evidence to a House of Lords select committee, speaking about the legislation commonly known as IR35.

He also sits on the board of the Dorset Local Enterprise Partnership and is lead director of its Growing Places Fund.

The fund has a budget of £9.4million to lend for major investment and regeneration in the county.

David Ramsden did not return calls from the Daily Echo requesting a comment.

Ramsden bankrupted three times

TONY Ramsden was elected a Conservative councillor for Talbot and Branksome Woods in 1999 and soon became chair of Bournemouth’s licensing committee.

He was re-elected in 2003 but had to step down shortly afterwards after being bankrupted.

It later emerged that he had also been bankrupted in 1993.

A third bankruptcy then followed in 2013.

After leaving the council, Mr Ramsden became a planning consultant, heading the firm Planning Solutions and appearing for developers at meetings of the council’s planning committee.

Last year, he represented the developer behind a planned £150million hotel, apartment and leisure complex on the former site of Bournemouth’s Winter Gardens.

The application was rejected and Mr Ramsden was accused of trying to mislead councillors over the extent of support for the scheme.

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6:21pm Thu 13 Mar 14

LordLilliput says...

Well if ever you needed one good reason to prove this world is indeed a mad place to live then this is it.

You genuinely could not make this sort of stuff up, something so woefully wrong here that it's difficult to know quite where to start.
Well if ever you needed one good reason to prove this world is indeed a mad place to live then this is it. You genuinely could not make this sort of stuff up, something so woefully wrong here that it's difficult to know quite where to start. LordLilliput
  • Score: 140

5:47am Fri 14 Mar 14

wonderway says...

i hope that every small business who are members of fsb revoke their membership forthwith.

Prove a point though toe rags like this man can buy positions of power with the help of other corrupt weasels who so say act in the local bossiness interests

As the old saying goes BUYER BEWARE so dont buy your membership this year
i hope that every small business who are members of fsb revoke their membership forthwith. Prove a point though toe rags like this man can buy positions of power with the help of other corrupt weasels who so say act in the local bossiness interests As the old saying goes BUYER BEWARE so dont buy your membership this year wonderway
  • Score: 117

6:18am Fri 14 Mar 14

BIGTONE says...

See....who said crime does not pay ?
See....who said crime does not pay ? BIGTONE
  • Score: 87

6:21am Fri 14 Mar 14

Huey says...

Says it all really.
A parsnip would make a more suitable and trustworthy leader.
Ill be calling the fsb up to pour scorn on them once they open.
Says it all really. A parsnip would make a more suitable and trustworthy leader. Ill be calling the fsb up to pour scorn on them once they open. Huey
  • Score: 58

6:34am Fri 14 Mar 14

billy bumble says...

So- A Christchurch Councillor supports him - that's all right then

Why am I not surprised?
So- A Christchurch Councillor supports him - that's all right then Why am I not surprised? billy bumble
  • Score: 64

7:21am Fri 14 Mar 14

Huey says...

Crooked little daddy's boy.
This fsb organization has now lost all of its credibility.
I hope he is replaced forthwith.
Crooked little daddy's boy. This fsb organization has now lost all of its credibility. I hope he is replaced forthwith. Huey
  • Score: 77

7:32am Fri 14 Mar 14

susi.m says...

Well some idiots must have voted for him.
Suggest all the decent ones resign immediately and either join another organisation or form a new one.
Note to echo - it will be interesting to see reported exactly which members now resign and which members decide to stay and support this horrid man.
Well some idiots must have voted for him. Suggest all the decent ones resign immediately and either join another organisation or form a new one. Note to echo - it will be interesting to see reported exactly which members now resign and which members decide to stay and support this horrid man. susi.m
  • Score: 62

7:33am Fri 14 Mar 14

Lord Spring says...

Could this be a stepping stone to becoming the Chairman of the CO-OP Bank.
One thing I am relieved about is the headline, for a minute I thought it said TSB
Could this be a stepping stone to becoming the Chairman of the CO-OP Bank. One thing I am relieved about is the headline, for a minute I thought it said TSB Lord Spring
  • Score: 36

7:42am Fri 14 Mar 14

manyogie says...

Presumably the small businesses in this organisation contribute financially to belong to it, so, vote with your contributions as to whether you agree to this man running it seems the fastest way to resolve it.
Presumably the small businesses in this organisation contribute financially to belong to it, so, vote with your contributions as to whether you agree to this man running it seems the fastest way to resolve it. manyogie
  • Score: 43

8:14am Fri 14 Mar 14

Talkingheadera says...

Richard Carr for mayor!
Eddie Mitchell for prime minister!
Richard Carr for mayor! Eddie Mitchell for prime minister! Talkingheadera
  • Score: 47

8:19am Fri 14 Mar 14

bisadave says...

I'll give it 2 hours before the Nationals pick this up and the FSB central office have to make a proper comment. Absolutely unbelievable Jeff.
I'll give it 2 hours before the Nationals pick this up and the FSB central office have to make a proper comment. Absolutely unbelievable Jeff. bisadave
  • Score: 50

8:35am Fri 14 Mar 14

theoraclexxxxx says...

Cut from the same cloth as Richard Carr. Crook & rip off merchant who couldn't give a flying fkcu about small businesses.
Cut from the same cloth as Richard Carr. Crook & rip off merchant who couldn't give a flying fkcu about small businesses. theoraclexxxxx
  • Score: 50

8:38am Fri 14 Mar 14

mudeford7 says...

He will be able to advise all the members the best way to fidddle and if you go to prison train to be a chairman of your local business branch, and if your dad wants to be on it as well . What a farce
He will be able to advise all the members the best way to fidddle and if you go to prison train to be a chairman of your local business branch, and if your dad wants to be on it as well . What a farce mudeford7
  • Score: 37

8:42am Fri 14 Mar 14

RM says...

Isn't the FSB one of those organisations that encourages you to do business with their members? Major own goal with this appointment. I think any legitimate business with FSB membership needs to rethink. He'll be going for MP next (you think I'm joking?)
Isn't the FSB one of those organisations that encourages you to do business with their members? Major own goal with this appointment. I think any legitimate business with FSB membership needs to rethink. He'll be going for MP next (you think I'm joking?) RM
  • Score: 31

8:51am Fri 14 Mar 14

funkyferret says...

Nepotism in the extreme! What an incredibly crass decision.
How can this post (and that of his father) be tenable given his business track record?
His very association sullies the FSB track record & that of its members.
Nepotism in the extreme! What an incredibly crass decision. How can this post (and that of his father) be tenable given his business track record? His very association sullies the FSB track record & that of its members. funkyferret
  • Score: 33

9:07am Fri 14 Mar 14

jinglebell says...

The FSB requires that to be a member you must be either an "owner, partner or director" of a business. Since that is the case, which business is Ramsden an owner, partner or director of? Also, if he is in such a position, surely he is flouting the law once again in regard to the judge's sentence and should be arrested?
The FSB requires that to be a member you must be either an "owner, partner or director" of a business. Since that is the case, which business is Ramsden an owner, partner or director of? Also, if he is in such a position, surely he is flouting the law once again in regard to the judge's sentence and should be arrested? jinglebell
  • Score: 46

9:10am Fri 14 Mar 14

contric says...

like putting a rat in charge of the cheese
like putting a rat in charge of the cheese contric
  • Score: 34

9:33am Fri 14 Mar 14

SurfReefFunTime says...

Tiime to get rid of these corrupt bunch of crooks!

Who are voting these loonies in to power in the first place?
Tiime to get rid of these corrupt bunch of crooks! Who are voting these loonies in to power in the first place? SurfReefFunTime
  • Score: 24

9:49am Fri 14 Mar 14

MngsMnr says...

Well let me tell you the tale of a pub landlord in Wiltshire who deducted PAYE/NI from his staff but never paid it to HMRC. NONE- ZERO. Fraud or theft by any other name.
But fear not, this same man is a non-executive director of the NHS , Fund raiser for Age Concern and is Vice Chair of another concern with a budget of over £700 million.
All his Christmases must be coming at once.
Well let me tell you the tale of a pub landlord in Wiltshire who deducted PAYE/NI from his staff but never paid it to HMRC. NONE- ZERO. Fraud or theft by any other name. But fear not, this same man is a non-executive director of the NHS , Fund raiser for Age Concern and is Vice Chair of another concern with a budget of over £700 million. All his Christmases must be coming at once. MngsMnr
  • Score: 20

9:50am Fri 14 Mar 14

sherlock1969 says...

jinglebell wrote:
The FSB requires that to be a member you must be either an "owner, partner or director" of a business. Since that is the case, which business is Ramsden an owner, partner or director of? Also, if he is in such a position, surely he is flouting the law once again in regard to the judge's sentence and should be arrested?
He's still bankrupt surely, so if he is promoting or managing a business (to get the role as chairman), is that possibly an offence? Doesn't he have to tell the Receiver what he is doing (as a bankrupt)? Surely somebody needs to inform the Receiver or the BIS investigators or CPS that brought the previous legal action to look at this carefully. How can any FSB member take this whole organisation seriously now? - an organisation which could have done so much for the business community here. I wonder whether the current Planning Solutions bankruptcy debts include a lot of local small businesses, even members of the FSB possibly? Incredible stuff.
[quote][p][bold]jinglebell[/bold] wrote: The FSB requires that to be a member you must be either an "owner, partner or director" of a business. Since that is the case, which business is Ramsden an owner, partner or director of? Also, if he is in such a position, surely he is flouting the law once again in regard to the judge's sentence and should be arrested?[/p][/quote]He's still bankrupt surely, so if he is promoting or managing a business (to get the role as chairman), is that possibly an offence? Doesn't he have to tell the Receiver what he is doing (as a bankrupt)? Surely somebody needs to inform the Receiver or the BIS investigators or CPS that brought the previous legal action to look at this carefully. How can any FSB member take this whole organisation seriously now? - an organisation which could have done so much for the business community here. I wonder whether the current Planning Solutions bankruptcy debts include a lot of local small businesses, even members of the FSB possibly? Incredible stuff. sherlock1969
  • Score: 34

9:54am Fri 14 Mar 14

whataboutthat says...

So this fox got the job of looking after the chickens and...
So this fox got the job of looking after the chickens and... whataboutthat
  • Score: 25

10:03am Fri 14 Mar 14

John T says...

RM wrote:
Isn't the FSB one of those organisations that encourages you to do business with their members? Major own goal with this appointment. I think any legitimate business with FSB membership needs to rethink. He'll be going for MP next (you think I'm joking?)
Anybody who saw this week's Party Political Broadcast on behalf of the Conservative Party, which was solely about small businesses, and not a word about the cost of living crisis faced by the rest of society, followed by the 1% pay increase for NHS staff after a 3 year wage freeze, most certainly would not think that you are joking about Ramsden applying to become an MP.
The only joke, if it were not sad, is that people still believe ( and vote for) Tory propaganda that 'we are all in this together'. Don't count me in with crooks like Ramsden and other past and present Conservative Councillors and MPs.
[quote][p][bold]RM[/bold] wrote: Isn't the FSB one of those organisations that encourages you to do business with their members? Major own goal with this appointment. I think any legitimate business with FSB membership needs to rethink. He'll be going for MP next (you think I'm joking?)[/p][/quote]Anybody who saw this week's Party Political Broadcast on behalf of the Conservative Party, which was solely about small businesses, and not a word about the cost of living crisis faced by the rest of society, followed by the 1% pay increase for NHS staff after a 3 year wage freeze, most certainly would not think that you are joking about Ramsden applying to become an MP. The only joke, if it were not sad, is that people still believe ( and vote for) Tory propaganda that 'we are all in this together'. Don't count me in with crooks like Ramsden and other past and present Conservative Councillors and MPs. John T
  • Score: 17

10:08am Fri 14 Mar 14

Marcus James says...

Slightly poor judgement by the FSB especially when your dad is the Secretary!
As for his vice-chairman, Jeff Pearce, you must be a moron Sir!
YOU DIDNT KNOW HE HAD A CRIMINAL HISTORY??
What kind of an introduction to the decision process did you have?
Hi my name is Tony and I have been on holiday for 6 months???
As for Councillor Jamieson - Biggest joke of the council. Happy to support and be a party to anything that helps him and not worried about the local people he is supposed to represent.
Slightly poor judgement by the FSB especially when your dad is the Secretary! As for his vice-chairman, Jeff Pearce, you must be a moron Sir! YOU DIDNT KNOW HE HAD A CRIMINAL HISTORY?? What kind of an introduction to the decision process did you have? Hi my name is Tony and I have been on holiday for 6 months??? As for Councillor Jamieson - Biggest joke of the council. Happy to support and be a party to anything that helps him and not worried about the local people he is supposed to represent. Marcus James
  • Score: 28

10:15am Fri 14 Mar 14

sealady says...

This is absolutely unbelievable but in truth it does not surprise. As a new business I was approach or rather attached by their salesman to take out one of their memberships. I was promise they would offer the best Public Liability quote around. Their calls centers and advisers of not worth even talking to. I wish I had found all this out before I became a member as a new business the money I spend on the membership could have been used far more effectively elsewhere. FSB I hope your members read this and revoke their membership as I certainly will be doing.
This is absolutely unbelievable but in truth it does not surprise. As a new business I was approach or rather attached by their salesman to take out one of their memberships. I was promise they would offer the best Public Liability quote around. Their calls centers and advisers of not worth even talking to. I wish I had found all this out before I became a member as a new business the money I spend on the membership could have been used far more effectively elsewhere. FSB I hope your members read this and revoke their membership as I certainly will be doing. sealady
  • Score: 24

10:17am Fri 14 Mar 14

pete woodley says...

MngsMnr wrote:
Well let me tell you the tale of a pub landlord in Wiltshire who deducted PAYE/NI from his staff but never paid it to HMRC. NONE- ZERO. Fraud or theft by any other name.
But fear not, this same man is a non-executive director of the NHS , Fund raiser for Age Concern and is Vice Chair of another concern with a budget of over £700 million.
All his Christmases must be coming at once.
Some years ago a leading politician and businessman in Poole also got done for taking paye/ni off staff and not paying stamps.Its been going on for many years,but "CLUB" members get away with it. One Age Concern branch had two sets of books !.
[quote][p][bold]MngsMnr[/bold] wrote: Well let me tell you the tale of a pub landlord in Wiltshire who deducted PAYE/NI from his staff but never paid it to HMRC. NONE- ZERO. Fraud or theft by any other name. But fear not, this same man is a non-executive director of the NHS , Fund raiser for Age Concern and is Vice Chair of another concern with a budget of over £700 million. All his Christmases must be coming at once.[/p][/quote]Some years ago a leading politician and businessman in Poole also got done for taking paye/ni off staff and not paying stamps.Its been going on for many years,but "CLUB" members get away with it. One Age Concern branch had two sets of books !. pete woodley
  • Score: 10

10:19am Fri 14 Mar 14

pete woodley says...

MngsMnr wrote:
Well let me tell you the tale of a pub landlord in Wiltshire who deducted PAYE/NI from his staff but never paid it to HMRC. NONE- ZERO. Fraud or theft by any other name.
But fear not, this same man is a non-executive director of the NHS , Fund raiser for Age Concern and is Vice Chair of another concern with a budget of over £700 million.
All his Christmases must be coming at once.
Some years ago a leading politician and businessman in Poole also got done for taking paye/ni off staff and not paying stamps.Its been going on for many years,but "CLUB" members get away with it. One Age Concern branch had two sets of books !.
[quote][p][bold]MngsMnr[/bold] wrote: Well let me tell you the tale of a pub landlord in Wiltshire who deducted PAYE/NI from his staff but never paid it to HMRC. NONE- ZERO. Fraud or theft by any other name. But fear not, this same man is a non-executive director of the NHS , Fund raiser for Age Concern and is Vice Chair of another concern with a budget of over £700 million. All his Christmases must be coming at once.[/p][/quote]Some years ago a leading politician and businessman in Poole also got done for taking paye/ni off staff and not paying stamps.Its been going on for many years,but "CLUB" members get away with it. One Age Concern branch had two sets of books !. pete woodley
  • Score: 5

10:20am Fri 14 Mar 14

jinglebell says...

The FSB are a powerful group, who lobby Parliament. As we know, Ramsden's father is a lobbyist.
http://www.fsb.org.u
k/about
Questions that comes to mind are:
Who put his name forward?
How is the voting system conducted?
Who is responsible for counting the votes?
The phone number for the FSB is 0808 2020 888 - their address is:
Federation of Small Businesses
Sir Frank Whittle Way
Blackpool
Lancashire
FY4 2FE
The National Chairman's name is, John Allan.
The FSB are a powerful group, who lobby Parliament. As we know, Ramsden's father is a lobbyist. http://www.fsb.org.u k/about Questions that comes to mind are: Who put his name forward? How is the voting system conducted? Who is responsible for counting the votes? The phone number for the FSB is 0808 2020 888 - their address is: Federation of Small Businesses Sir Frank Whittle Way Blackpool Lancashire FY4 2FE The National Chairman's name is, John Allan. jinglebell
  • Score: 25

10:40am Fri 14 Mar 14

mythoughts! says...

what a joke
what a joke mythoughts!
  • Score: 7

10:50am Fri 14 Mar 14

pete woodley says...

jinglebell wrote:
The FSB are a powerful group, who lobby Parliament. As we know, Ramsden's father is a lobbyist.
http://www.fsb.org.u

k/about
Questions that comes to mind are:
Who put his name forward?
How is the voting system conducted?
Who is responsible for counting the votes?
The phone number for the FSB is 0808 2020 888 - their address is:
Federation of Small Businesses
Sir Frank Whittle Way
Blackpool
Lancashire
FY4 2FE
The National Chairman's name is, John Allan.
Back again thought you had retired.
[quote][p][bold]jinglebell[/bold] wrote: The FSB are a powerful group, who lobby Parliament. As we know, Ramsden's father is a lobbyist. http://www.fsb.org.u k/about Questions that comes to mind are: Who put his name forward? How is the voting system conducted? Who is responsible for counting the votes? The phone number for the FSB is 0808 2020 888 - their address is: Federation of Small Businesses Sir Frank Whittle Way Blackpool Lancashire FY4 2FE The National Chairman's name is, John Allan.[/p][/quote]Back again thought you had retired. pete woodley
  • Score: 2

10:51am Fri 14 Mar 14

pete woodley says...

jinglebell wrote:
The FSB are a powerful group, who lobby Parliament. As we know, Ramsden's father is a lobbyist.
http://www.fsb.org.u

k/about
Questions that comes to mind are:
Who put his name forward?
How is the voting system conducted?
Who is responsible for counting the votes?
The phone number for the FSB is 0808 2020 888 - their address is:
Federation of Small Businesses
Sir Frank Whittle Way
Blackpool
Lancashire
FY4 2FE
The National Chairman's name is, John Allan.
Back again jinglebell thought you had retired.
[quote][p][bold]jinglebell[/bold] wrote: The FSB are a powerful group, who lobby Parliament. As we know, Ramsden's father is a lobbyist. http://www.fsb.org.u k/about Questions that comes to mind are: Who put his name forward? How is the voting system conducted? Who is responsible for counting the votes? The phone number for the FSB is 0808 2020 888 - their address is: Federation of Small Businesses Sir Frank Whittle Way Blackpool Lancashire FY4 2FE The National Chairman's name is, John Allan.[/p][/quote]Back again jinglebell thought you had retired. pete woodley
  • Score: -2

10:52am Fri 14 Mar 14

pete woodley says...

jinglebell wrote:
The FSB are a powerful group, who lobby Parliament. As we know, Ramsden's father is a lobbyist.
http://www.fsb.org.u

k/about
Questions that comes to mind are:
Who put his name forward?
How is the voting system conducted?
Who is responsible for counting the votes?
The phone number for the FSB is 0808 2020 888 - their address is:
Federation of Small Businesses
Sir Frank Whittle Way
Blackpool
Lancashire
FY4 2FE
The National Chairman's name is, John Allan.
Back again jinglebell thought you had retired.
[quote][p][bold]jinglebell[/bold] wrote: The FSB are a powerful group, who lobby Parliament. As we know, Ramsden's father is a lobbyist. http://www.fsb.org.u k/about Questions that comes to mind are: Who put his name forward? How is the voting system conducted? Who is responsible for counting the votes? The phone number for the FSB is 0808 2020 888 - their address is: Federation of Small Businesses Sir Frank Whittle Way Blackpool Lancashire FY4 2FE The National Chairman's name is, John Allan.[/p][/quote]Back again jinglebell thought you had retired. pete woodley
  • Score: -2

10:57am Fri 14 Mar 14

pete woodley says...

Sorry sticky keys,more sticky than Ramsden.and father.
Sorry sticky keys,more sticky than Ramsden.and father. pete woodley
  • Score: 8

11:11am Fri 14 Mar 14

Iansalad says...

Surprisingly Tony has family associated with the FSB - hmmm can't think who might have voted for him. What an utter scumbag. Good luck with him FSB... you're gonna need it. Oh and Tony if you fancy paying me the 5k one of your previous bent businesses still owes me, I'm all ears.

Go FSB... you're destined for great things with such a well respected local figurehead.
Surprisingly Tony has family associated with the FSB - hmmm can't think who might have voted for him. What an utter scumbag. Good luck with him FSB... you're gonna need it. Oh and Tony if you fancy paying me the 5k one of your previous bent businesses still owes me, I'm all ears. Go FSB... you're destined for great things with such a well respected local figurehead. Iansalad
  • Score: 21

11:17am Fri 14 Mar 14

John T says...

FFS, FSB!
FFS, FSB! John T
  • Score: 13

11:17am Fri 14 Mar 14

jinglebell says...

pete woodley wrote:
jinglebell wrote:
The FSB are a powerful group, who lobby Parliament. As we know, Ramsden's father is a lobbyist.
http://www.fsb.org.u


k/about
Questions that comes to mind are:
Who put his name forward?
How is the voting system conducted?
Who is responsible for counting the votes?
The phone number for the FSB is 0808 2020 888 - their address is:
Federation of Small Businesses
Sir Frank Whittle Way
Blackpool
Lancashire
FY4 2FE
The National Chairman's name is, John Allan.
Back again jinglebell thought you had retired.
Well, Pete Woodley, you get so sick of reading and hearing about the corruption that is rife in B'mth that there are times when you just switch off....then you read something like this and you just can't sit on your hands, can you? Unless people come out of the woodwork and do something, this will not only continue but will grow like a massive cancer.
Arrogance is cultivated when no one cuts it down, when their tactic is to say its "not their business" and they turn the other way. The arrogance of Ramsden, his father and their connections in B'mth Council is breath taking and must be put at an end. The cancer is already killing B'mth's credibility - is it too late to save the patient?
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jinglebell[/bold] wrote: The FSB are a powerful group, who lobby Parliament. As we know, Ramsden's father is a lobbyist. http://www.fsb.org.u k/about Questions that comes to mind are: Who put his name forward? How is the voting system conducted? Who is responsible for counting the votes? The phone number for the FSB is 0808 2020 888 - their address is: Federation of Small Businesses Sir Frank Whittle Way Blackpool Lancashire FY4 2FE The National Chairman's name is, John Allan.[/p][/quote]Back again jinglebell thought you had retired.[/p][/quote]Well, Pete Woodley, you get so sick of reading and hearing about the corruption that is rife in B'mth that there are times when you just switch off....then you read something like this and you just can't sit on your hands, can you? Unless people come out of the woodwork and do something, this will not only continue but will grow like a massive cancer. Arrogance is cultivated when no one cuts it down, when their tactic is to say its "not their business" and they turn the other way. The arrogance of Ramsden, his father and their connections in B'mth Council is breath taking and must be put at an end. The cancer is already killing B'mth's credibility - is it too late to save the patient? jinglebell
  • Score: 29

11:18am Fri 14 Mar 14

Theo63 says...

Nothing surprises me in this world anymore! Morals seems to be a thing of the past with many people.

At least he can't stand as a candidate for a councillor being a bankrupt and with a criminal conviction. I suppose we can at least be grateful for that!
Nothing surprises me in this world anymore! Morals seems to be a thing of the past with many people. At least he can't stand as a candidate for a councillor being a bankrupt and with a criminal conviction. I suppose we can at least be grateful for that! Theo63
  • Score: 15

11:19am Fri 14 Mar 14

speedy231278 says...

Is Richard Carr going to become a member when he probably escapes conviction for his latest round of alleged misdemeanours?
Is Richard Carr going to become a member when he probably escapes conviction for his latest round of alleged misdemeanours? speedy231278
  • Score: 16

11:32am Fri 14 Mar 14

BmthNewshound says...

Just as with Bournemouth Council the fault lies fairly and squarely at the feet of those who vote for the likes of Ramsden & Beesley but more importantly with voter apathy which allows these people to mobilise their quite small supporter base to vote. It'd be interesting to see just what percentage of the overall FSB members voted for Ramsden rather than just those who actually bothered to vote.
Just as with Bournemouth Council the fault lies fairly and squarely at the feet of those who vote for the likes of Ramsden & Beesley but more importantly with voter apathy which allows these people to mobilise their quite small supporter base to vote. It'd be interesting to see just what percentage of the overall FSB members voted for Ramsden rather than just those who actually bothered to vote. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 14

11:58am Fri 14 Mar 14

Boscomite says...

We can all do our part. When dealing with a small business, ask if they're a member of FSB, and if they are go elsewhere.
We can all do our part. When dealing with a small business, ask if they're a member of FSB, and if they are go elsewhere. Boscomite
  • Score: 14

12:16pm Fri 14 Mar 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

'His father David is the branch’s secretary.'
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Says it all really.
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Christchurch councillor Colin Jamieson says 'Tony is a very dynamic and forward-thinking person.'
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Does Colin Jamieson's toilet even put up with such blatant nonsense?
.
He's been declared bankrupt THREE times and he's a convicted fraudster! Surly the Federation of Small Businesses’ can do without that kind of repeated failure from a criminal!
'His father David is the branch’s secretary.' . Says it all really. . Christchurch councillor Colin Jamieson says 'Tony is a very dynamic and forward-thinking person.' . Does Colin Jamieson's toilet even put up with such blatant nonsense? . He's been declared bankrupt THREE times and he's a convicted fraudster! Surly the Federation of Small Businesses’ can do without that kind of repeated failure from a criminal! HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: -18

12:31pm Fri 14 Mar 14

pete woodley says...

jinglebell wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
jinglebell wrote:
The FSB are a powerful group, who lobby Parliament. As we know, Ramsden's father is a lobbyist.
http://www.fsb.org.u



k/about
Questions that comes to mind are:
Who put his name forward?
How is the voting system conducted?
Who is responsible for counting the votes?
The phone number for the FSB is 0808 2020 888 - their address is:
Federation of Small Businesses
Sir Frank Whittle Way
Blackpool
Lancashire
FY4 2FE
The National Chairman's name is, John Allan.
Back again jinglebell thought you had retired.
Well, Pete Woodley, you get so sick of reading and hearing about the corruption that is rife in B'mth that there are times when you just switch off....then you read something like this and you just can't sit on your hands, can you? Unless people come out of the woodwork and do something, this will not only continue but will grow like a massive cancer.
Arrogance is cultivated when no one cuts it down, when their tactic is to say its "not their business" and they turn the other way. The arrogance of Ramsden, his father and their connections in B'mth Council is breath taking and must be put at an end. The cancer is already killing B'mth's credibility - is it too late to save the patient?
Great comments glad you are getting going again,i still want to but have took a lot of stick lately,and at nearly 80 its got me a bit down,i have in the past served on the committee of the federation of self employed,and chamber of trade as a chairman of a branch,and public relations .so have had some experience of what goes on,and at times it stinks.the dodgy handshake crowd are really active.and i have been stabbed in the back before.
[quote][p][bold]jinglebell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jinglebell[/bold] wrote: The FSB are a powerful group, who lobby Parliament. As we know, Ramsden's father is a lobbyist. http://www.fsb.org.u k/about Questions that comes to mind are: Who put his name forward? How is the voting system conducted? Who is responsible for counting the votes? The phone number for the FSB is 0808 2020 888 - their address is: Federation of Small Businesses Sir Frank Whittle Way Blackpool Lancashire FY4 2FE The National Chairman's name is, John Allan.[/p][/quote]Back again jinglebell thought you had retired.[/p][/quote]Well, Pete Woodley, you get so sick of reading and hearing about the corruption that is rife in B'mth that there are times when you just switch off....then you read something like this and you just can't sit on your hands, can you? Unless people come out of the woodwork and do something, this will not only continue but will grow like a massive cancer. Arrogance is cultivated when no one cuts it down, when their tactic is to say its "not their business" and they turn the other way. The arrogance of Ramsden, his father and their connections in B'mth Council is breath taking and must be put at an end. The cancer is already killing B'mth's credibility - is it too late to save the patient?[/p][/quote]Great comments glad you are getting going again,i still want to but have took a lot of stick lately,and at nearly 80 its got me a bit down,i have in the past served on the committee of the federation of self employed,and chamber of trade as a chairman of a branch,and public relations .so have had some experience of what goes on,and at times it stinks.the dodgy handshake crowd are really active.and i have been stabbed in the back before. pete woodley
  • Score: 9

12:47pm Fri 14 Mar 14

muscliffman says...

jinglebell wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
jinglebell wrote:
The FSB are a powerful group, who lobby Parliament. As we know, Ramsden's father is a lobbyist.
http://www.fsb.org.u



k/about
Questions that comes to mind are:
Who put his name forward?
How is the voting system conducted?
Who is responsible for counting the votes?
The phone number for the FSB isIndeed, so let us hope it is not escaping people's recollection that both the bankrupted Ramsdens featured in this incredible story were at one time Board Directors of the same small local Company as the current Leader of our Council.
[quote][p][bold]jinglebell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jinglebell[/bold] wrote: The FSB are a powerful group, who lobby Parliament. As we know, Ramsden's father is a lobbyist. http://www.fsb.org.u k/about Questions that comes to mind are: Who put his name forward? How is the voting system conducted? Who is responsible for counting the votes? The phone number for the FSB isIndeed, so let us hope it is not escaping people's recollection that both the bankrupted Ramsdens featured in this incredible story were at one time Board Directors of the same small local Company as the current Leader of our Council. muscliffman
  • Score: 7

12:52pm Fri 14 Mar 14

muscliffman says...

jinglebell wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
jinglebell wrote:
The FSB are a powerful group, who lobby Parliament. As we know, Ramsden's father is a lobbyist.
http://www.fsb.org.u



k/about
Questions that comes to mind are:
Who put his name forward?
How is the voting system conducted?
Who is responsible for counting the votes?
The phone number for the FSB isIndeed, so let us hope it is not escaping people's recollection that both the bankrupted Ramsdens featured in this incredible story were at one time Board Directors of the same small local Company as the current Leader of our Council.
[quote][p][bold]jinglebell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jinglebell[/bold] wrote: The FSB are a powerful group, who lobby Parliament. As we know, Ramsden's father is a lobbyist. http://www.fsb.org.u k/about Questions that comes to mind are: Who put his name forward? How is the voting system conducted? Who is responsible for counting the votes? The phone number for the FSB isIndeed, so let us hope it is not escaping people's recollection that both the bankrupted Ramsdens featured in this incredible story were at one time Board Directors of the same small local Company as the current Leader of our Council. muscliffman
  • Score: 5

12:54pm Fri 14 Mar 14

muscliffman says...

Sorry about the unintended 'hybrid' quotes/comments - this is not happening at my end of the system!
Sorry about the unintended 'hybrid' quotes/comments - this is not happening at my end of the system! muscliffman
  • Score: 1

1:06pm Fri 14 Mar 14

BmthNewshound says...

FSB code of conduct for members says: “Members should endeavour to follow the principles adhered to by those in public office – Selflessness, Integrity, Objectivity, Accountability, Openness, Honesty and Leadership.”
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I can only think that Ramsden must have under gone some sort of emiphany whilst at Her Majestys pleasure if he now feels that he fulfils any of these principles.
FSB code of conduct for members says: “Members should endeavour to follow the principles adhered to by those in public office – Selflessness, Integrity, Objectivity, Accountability, Openness, Honesty and Leadership.” . I can only think that Ramsden must have under gone some sort of emiphany whilst at Her Majestys pleasure if he now feels that he fulfils any of these principles. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 12

1:22pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

I suppose they will make Richard Carr head of Licensing next then ?

I fail to see any logic whatsoever in this decision and sincerely hope that FSB members show their feelings by not renewing their membership.
I suppose they will make Richard Carr head of Licensing next then ? I fail to see any logic whatsoever in this decision and sincerely hope that FSB members show their feelings by not renewing their membership. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 12

1:35pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Redgolfer says...

John T wrote:
RM wrote:
Isn't the FSB one of those organisations that encourages you to do business with their members? Major own goal with this appointment. I think any legitimate business with FSB membership needs to rethink. He'll be going for MP next (you think I'm joking?)
Anybody who saw this week's Party Political Broadcast on behalf of the Conservative Party, which was solely about small businesses, and not a word about the cost of living crisis faced by the rest of society, followed by the 1% pay increase for NHS staff after a 3 year wage freeze, most certainly would not think that you are joking about Ramsden applying to become an MP.
The only joke, if it were not sad, is that people still believe ( and vote for) Tory propaganda that 'we are all in this together'. Don't count me in with crooks like Ramsden and other past and present Conservative Councillors and MPs.
JT, it is not just the Tory party to blame, what about the other ones who WILL not give us the vote on Europe, who left a note saying sorry no cash left, the leader who is a multi millionaire, shall I go on, in agreement with comments about The pair of them ''like father like son'' comes to mind, next might be a deal with the godfather of his child, better not go there.
[quote][p][bold]John T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RM[/bold] wrote: Isn't the FSB one of those organisations that encourages you to do business with their members? Major own goal with this appointment. I think any legitimate business with FSB membership needs to rethink. He'll be going for MP next (you think I'm joking?)[/p][/quote]Anybody who saw this week's Party Political Broadcast on behalf of the Conservative Party, which was solely about small businesses, and not a word about the cost of living crisis faced by the rest of society, followed by the 1% pay increase for NHS staff after a 3 year wage freeze, most certainly would not think that you are joking about Ramsden applying to become an MP. The only joke, if it were not sad, is that people still believe ( and vote for) Tory propaganda that 'we are all in this together'. Don't count me in with crooks like Ramsden and other past and present Conservative Councillors and MPs.[/p][/quote]JT, it is not just the Tory party to blame, what about the other ones who WILL not give us the vote on Europe, who left a note saying sorry no cash left, the leader who is a multi millionaire, shall I go on, in agreement with comments about The pair of them ''like father like son'' comes to mind, next might be a deal with the godfather of his child, better not go there. Redgolfer
  • Score: 8

1:51pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Marcus Yardley says...

Is it not time that all holders of public office or who represent others are required to declare whether or not they are Freemaons.
Is it not time that all holders of public office or who represent others are required to declare whether or not they are Freemaons. Marcus Yardley
  • Score: 16

1:54pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Marcus Yardley says...

Is it not time that all holders of public office or who represent others are required to declare whether or not they are Freemasons.
Is it not time that all holders of public office or who represent others are required to declare whether or not they are Freemasons. Marcus Yardley
  • Score: 6

2:06pm Fri 14 Mar 14

hadvar says...

I had no idea that this man had such a mirky past. I'll certainly be buying my Fish and Chips from somewhere else next time.
I had no idea that this man had such a mirky past. I'll certainly be buying my Fish and Chips from somewhere else next time. hadvar
  • Score: -3

2:10pm Fri 14 Mar 14

SimonJB says...

Bankruptcies seem to run in this family. Father who's the secretary was also a bankrupt. Wonder who else from the "Family" will be joining the FSB?
Bankruptcies seem to run in this family. Father who's the secretary was also a bankrupt. Wonder who else from the "Family" will be joining the FSB? SimonJB
  • Score: 11

2:22pm Fri 14 Mar 14

JimDorset says...

Please list all those and their businesses who voted for him. Then I and all other decent people will know which businesses to avoid as their business practices and ethics are highly suspect.
Please list all those and their businesses who voted for him. Then I and all other decent people will know which businesses to avoid as their business practices and ethics are highly suspect. JimDorset
  • Score: 14

2:30pm Fri 14 Mar 14

M0Z says...

Ken Moon’s comments are shocking, he tries to brush responsibility aside by saying Tony Ramsden was elected by the members. But surely the FSB has rules to prevent unsuitable candidates standing in the first place? For a business association, shouldn’t a criminal record for business fraud be on the ‘no’ list? Shouldn’t a string of business failures and bankruptcies be on the ‘unhelpful’ list? If I was a member of the FSB I would quit immediately. Why would any business want to associate themselves with an organisation headed by a failed businessman, multiple bankrupt and convicted fraudster? Wake up FSB, I hope this goes national and shames you into action.
Ken Moon’s comments are shocking, he tries to brush responsibility aside by saying Tony Ramsden was elected by the members. But surely the FSB has rules to prevent unsuitable candidates standing in the first place? For a business association, shouldn’t a criminal record for business fraud be on the ‘no’ list? Shouldn’t a string of business failures and bankruptcies be on the ‘unhelpful’ list? If I was a member of the FSB I would quit immediately. Why would any business want to associate themselves with an organisation headed by a failed businessman, multiple bankrupt and convicted fraudster? Wake up FSB, I hope this goes national and shames you into action. M0Z
  • Score: 17

3:02pm Fri 14 Mar 14

breamoreboy says...

Lord Spring wrote:
Could this be a stepping stone to becoming the Chairman of the CO-OP Bank.
One thing I am relieved about is the headline, for a minute I thought it said TSB
Nah, it's just a stepping stone on the way to becoming an MP, followed up by the statutory life peerage.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: Could this be a stepping stone to becoming the Chairman of the CO-OP Bank. One thing I am relieved about is the headline, for a minute I thought it said TSB[/p][/quote]Nah, it's just a stepping stone on the way to becoming an MP, followed up by the statutory life peerage. breamoreboy
  • Score: 8

3:26pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Country Lady says...

I have emailed the FSB today the email address is:
customerservices@fsb
.org.uk
I would suggest all those commenting email them questioning whether this is the sort of behaviour that they think is good business practice.
If it is then yes we should all resign as fsb members and not deal with anyone that is.
Absolutely diabolical very ill though out behaviour for an organisation supposedly supporting local business people.
I have emailed the FSB today the email address is: customerservices@fsb .org.uk I would suggest all those commenting email them questioning whether this is the sort of behaviour that they think is good business practice. If it is then yes we should all resign as fsb members and not deal with anyone that is. Absolutely diabolical very ill though out behaviour for an organisation supposedly supporting local business people. Country Lady
  • Score: 10

4:19pm Fri 14 Mar 14

jinglebell says...

hadvar wrote:
I had no idea that this man had such a mirky past. I'll certainly be buying my Fish and Chips from somewhere else next time.
Its certainly a very fishy state of affairs, showing no sign the Ramsden clique is ready to throw in their chips yet!
[quote][p][bold]hadvar[/bold] wrote: I had no idea that this man had such a mirky past. I'll certainly be buying my Fish and Chips from somewhere else next time.[/p][/quote]Its certainly a very fishy state of affairs, showing no sign the Ramsden clique is ready to throw in their chips yet! jinglebell
  • Score: -1

4:58pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Gonetothebeach says...

Obviously this is a matter for the members of the FSB to deal with - I do wonder, though, how many people stood for election, how many members voted and what they thought this man will contribute? It's often hard to persuade capable people who are already busy to take on roles in voluntary bodies and this can mean that the organisation doesn't always get the best person for the job.
We shouldn't regard bankruptcy in someone's background as disqualifying them from office per se - some highly successful business people have a bankruptcy behind them - but criminal conviction + disqualification from serving as a company director is a different kettle of fish altogether, as is the recent occurrence of all three.
A public relations disaster for FSB, I think - and especially worrying where FSB and it's officers are involved with other public and private bodies in developing local and regional strategies (such as through Dorset LEP). I hope Mr Ramsden has the sense to stay out of any strategic discussions to do with planning.
Obviously this is a matter for the members of the FSB to deal with - I do wonder, though, how many people stood for election, how many members voted and what they thought this man will contribute? It's often hard to persuade capable people who are already busy to take on roles in voluntary bodies and this can mean that the organisation doesn't always get the best person for the job. We shouldn't regard bankruptcy in someone's background as disqualifying them from office per se - some highly successful business people have a bankruptcy behind them - but criminal conviction + disqualification from serving as a company director is a different kettle of fish altogether, as is the recent occurrence of all three. A public relations disaster for FSB, I think - and especially worrying where FSB and it's officers are involved with other public and private bodies in developing local and regional strategies (such as through Dorset LEP). I hope Mr Ramsden has the sense to stay out of any strategic discussions to do with planning. Gonetothebeach
  • Score: 10

5:30pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Bob49 says...

Theo63 wrote:
Nothing surprises me in this world anymore! Morals seems to be a thing of the past with many people.

At least he can't stand as a candidate for a councillor being a bankrupt and with a criminal conviction. I suppose we can at least be grateful for that!
"But Christchurch councillor Colin Jamieson, a former regional officer with the FSB, said: “Tony is a very dynamic and forward-thinking person. I’m sure the FSB of Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch would thrive under his leadership.”

Perhaps Mr Jamieson would care to tell us whether he will be recommending Tony Ramsdens business methods as a practice they should adopt.

Or what small business Tony Ramsden is currently running to qualify him as a member of this organisation ....................
...... bearing in mind that he is banned from being a company director for six years ?
[quote][p][bold]Theo63[/bold] wrote: Nothing surprises me in this world anymore! Morals seems to be a thing of the past with many people. At least he can't stand as a candidate for a councillor being a bankrupt and with a criminal conviction. I suppose we can at least be grateful for that![/p][/quote]"But Christchurch councillor Colin Jamieson, a former regional officer with the FSB, said: “Tony is a very dynamic and forward-thinking person. I’m sure the FSB of Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch would thrive under his leadership.” Perhaps Mr Jamieson would care to tell us whether he will be recommending Tony Ramsdens business methods as a practice they should adopt. Or what small business Tony Ramsden is currently running to qualify him as a member of this organisation .................... ...... bearing in mind that he is banned from being a company director for six years ? Bob49
  • Score: 13

5:46pm Fri 14 Mar 14

carrrob says...

I for one will be cancelling my membership bloody disgraceful !
I for one will be cancelling my membership bloody disgraceful ! carrrob
  • Score: 10

7:23pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Distressed of Dorset says...

What exposes the sheer idiocy of Moon's and Jamieson's statements is that, in addition to Ramsden's 3 personal bankruptcies, criminal convictions, etc, we have on the public record Ramsden's history of having run into the ground every one of the limited companies that he operated - they all were either bankrupted or dissolved, with strings of unsatisfied CCJs trailing behind. Let's not forget the plight of his former employees, who worked for months for no pay, but just Ramsden's promises, and ultimately were left high and dry.

This is the same Tony Ramsden who worked hand-in-hand with the operator of some of Bournemouth's dodgiest nightclubs (which had to be closed down by the Police) as the pair tried to foist their execrable Winter Gardens (get-rich-quick) scheme upon us

It is inconceivable that Tony Ramsden has anything of value to offer to owners of small businesses, apart from telling them what he did so that they would know to do the opposite.
What exposes the sheer idiocy of Moon's and Jamieson's statements is that, in addition to Ramsden's 3 personal bankruptcies, criminal convictions, etc, we have on the public record Ramsden's history of having run into the ground every one of the limited companies that he operated - they all were either bankrupted or dissolved, with strings of unsatisfied CCJs trailing behind. Let's not forget the plight of his former employees, who worked for months for no pay, but just Ramsden's promises, and ultimately were left high and dry. This is the same Tony Ramsden who worked hand-in-hand with the operator of some of Bournemouth's dodgiest nightclubs (which had to be closed down by the Police) as the pair tried to foist their execrable Winter Gardens (get-rich-quick) scheme upon us It is inconceivable that Tony Ramsden has anything of value to offer to owners of small businesses, apart from telling them what he did so that they would know to do the opposite. Distressed of Dorset
  • Score: 10

9:11pm Fri 14 Mar 14

sc61 says...

hadvar wrote:
I had no idea that this man had such a mirky past. I'll certainly be buying my Fish and Chips from somewhere else next time.
LOL, not sure why you're getting the downvotes!
[quote][p][bold]hadvar[/bold] wrote: I had no idea that this man had such a mirky past. I'll certainly be buying my Fish and Chips from somewhere else next time.[/p][/quote]LOL, not sure why you're getting the downvotes! sc61
  • Score: 0

10:09pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Western Sunset says...

Just wondering if April 1st has come early this year?
Just wondering if April 1st has come early this year? Western Sunset
  • Score: 8

10:17pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Yankee1 says...

We have the same issues with the Chambers of Commerce in the US.

The answer is simple: Boycott their members. Do you want to do business with people like this?

At the end of the day, the FSB is a closed collection of like minded businesses out to make money off you you.

Whether you do business with them is your choice.
We have the same issues with the Chambers of Commerce in the US. The answer is simple: Boycott their members. Do you want to do business with people like this? At the end of the day, the FSB is a closed collection of like minded businesses out to make money off you you. Whether you do business with them is your choice. Yankee1
  • Score: 3

10:41pm Fri 14 Mar 14

rotcoddam says...

This is typical of the way business seems to be going in this country. Many years ago I was approached by the FSB, two different reps who didn't seem able to agree on whose area it was. The main thing they seemed to be pushing was how they could help small businesses with dodgy income tax positions and a credit card processing service. The latter they where unable to actually provide unless I was prepared to make a number of entirely false statements on the application. I subsequently arranged, without any problem whatever, a processing service with exactly the same supplier, giving entirely factual and honest information and at significantly lower cost. The business insurence they where pushing, special deal for members only, was over double that I arranged with a very reputable company. Now they have a convicted fraudster, bankrupt who a judge believes to be a liabilty to business in a senior position. Welcome to la la land
This is typical of the way business seems to be going in this country. Many years ago I was approached by the FSB, two different reps who didn't seem able to agree on whose area it was. The main thing they seemed to be pushing was how they could help small businesses with dodgy income tax positions and a credit card processing service. The latter they where unable to actually provide unless I was prepared to make a number of entirely false statements on the application. I subsequently arranged, without any problem whatever, a processing service with exactly the same supplier, giving entirely factual and honest information and at significantly lower cost. The business insurence they where pushing, special deal for members only, was over double that I arranged with a very reputable company. Now they have a convicted fraudster, bankrupt who a judge believes to be a liabilty to business in a senior position. Welcome to la la land rotcoddam
  • Score: 6

11:12pm Fri 14 Mar 14

susie a says...

In light of the comments posted on here which reflect our opinions we will be terminating our membership as would not want to be associated with this organisation. Am sure that this story will be reported in the national press and would not want our company to be associated with this organisation and affect our integrity as a company. We joined this organisation in good faith believing that it would represent small companies and act in their honour if needs be ( and lets face it small companies need all the help and support they can get nowadays since they are the soft target of the taxman) This makes a mockery of the FSB
In light of the comments posted on here which reflect our opinions we will be terminating our membership as would not want to be associated with this organisation. Am sure that this story will be reported in the national press and would not want our company to be associated with this organisation and affect our integrity as a company. We joined this organisation in good faith believing that it would represent small companies and act in their honour if needs be ( and lets face it small companies need all the help and support they can get nowadays since they are the soft target of the taxman) This makes a mockery of the FSB susie a
  • Score: 7

12:22am Sat 15 Mar 14

pete woodley says...

As a former small businessman for many years myself,i feel that the FSB has done a great disservice to its members, who need all the help they can get.The appointment of ramsden to the post of chairman was obviously contrived by his father.Rotcoddam's comments show that its dealings are very dodgy in other ways.Cllr colin jamieson has now proved to be unworthy of even being a councillor,and the silence from Beasley is evident.My special sympathies go to those who lost money to Ramsden,and now having two fingers stuck up to them.No comment from the Chamber of Trade either.?.
As a former small businessman for many years myself,i feel that the FSB has done a great disservice to its members, who need all the help they can get.The appointment of ramsden to the post of chairman was obviously contrived by his father.Rotcoddam's comments show that its dealings are very dodgy in other ways.Cllr colin jamieson has now proved to be unworthy of even being a councillor,and the silence from Beasley is evident.My special sympathies go to those who lost money to Ramsden,and now having two fingers stuck up to them.No comment from the Chamber of Trade either.?. pete woodley
  • Score: 4

12:35am Sat 15 Mar 14

Wageslave says...

Ramsden and his father could not run a bath. FSB do not let either of them near the cheque book.
Ramsden and his father could not run a bath. FSB do not let either of them near the cheque book. Wageslave
  • Score: 2

6:48am Sat 15 Mar 14

Bournemouth Ohec says...

I feel sorry for members of the FSB.

Most members are as shocked by this situation as are the posters above.

They joined the organisation for help and support, and to boycott them because they have had this despicable person somehow placed in this position should not be a reflection upon the vast majority of its members.

He needs removing, and removing quickly.
I feel sorry for members of the FSB. Most members are as shocked by this situation as are the posters above. They joined the organisation for help and support, and to boycott them because they have had this despicable person somehow placed in this position should not be a reflection upon the vast majority of its members. He needs removing, and removing quickly. Bournemouth Ohec
  • Score: 3

1:55pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Marcus Yardley says...

So now he's resigned - shortest appointment on record I should think. What say you Mr Beesley? Will those who supported this appointment, no doubt contrived by Ramsden Snr, also be falling on their swords along with those Councillors who thought it was such a splendid move? Somehow I doubt it. After all, no one has any interest in pulling the plug on the trough they all swill from.
So now he's resigned - shortest appointment on record I should think. What say you Mr Beesley? Will those who supported this appointment, no doubt contrived by Ramsden Snr, also be falling on their swords along with those Councillors who thought it was such a splendid move? Somehow I doubt it. After all, no one has any interest in pulling the plug on the trough they all swill from. Marcus Yardley
  • Score: 2

2:42pm Sat 15 Mar 14

nickynoodah says...

Wageslave wrote:
Ramsden and his father could not run a bath. FSB do not let either of them near the cheque book.
You've upset nobath now youknow
he will go loony
hes already barmy
[quote][p][bold]Wageslave[/bold] wrote: Ramsden and his father could not run a bath. FSB do not let either of them near the cheque book.[/p][/quote]You've upset nobath now youknow he will go loony hes already barmy nickynoodah
  • Score: 0

9:58am Sun 16 Mar 14

ashleycross says...

www.fsb.org.uk search Bournemouth for the committee that voted for him.
www.fsb.org.uk search Bournemouth for the committee that voted for him. ashleycross
  • Score: 1

10:24am Sun 16 Mar 14

pete woodley says...

ashleycross wrote:
www.fsb.org.uk search Bournemouth for the committee that voted for him.
The more you read the fsb site the more it seems incredible that they have the Ramsdens in office.A complete farce,they even attend crime panels.
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: www.fsb.org.uk search Bournemouth for the committee that voted for him.[/p][/quote]The more you read the fsb site the more it seems incredible that they have the Ramsdens in office.A complete farce,they even attend crime panels. pete woodley
  • Score: 1

3:36pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Tango Charlie says...

For those who can understand history and have a sence of humor:-

The Sirius Cybernetics Corporation is the primary manufacturer and supplier of androids, robots and autonomic assistants for the known universe. They are known for their catchy jingles and catchphrases, supplied by their Marketing Department.

They are not, however, known for the quality of their products.

The Hitchhiker's Travel Guide describes the Marketing Department of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation as:

"A bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes."

Curiously, an edition of the Encyclopedia Galactica which conveniently fell through a rift in the time-space continuum from 1000 years in the future describes the Marketing Department of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation as:

"A bunch of mindless jerks who were the first against the wall when the revolution came."
For those who can understand history and have a sence of humor:- The Sirius Cybernetics Corporation is the primary manufacturer and supplier of androids, robots and autonomic assistants for the known universe. They are known for their catchy jingles and catchphrases, supplied by their Marketing Department. They are not, however, known for the quality of their products. The Hitchhiker's Travel Guide describes the Marketing Department of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation as: "A bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes." Curiously, an edition of the Encyclopedia Galactica which conveniently fell through a rift in the time-space continuum from 1000 years in the future describes the Marketing Department of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation as: "A bunch of mindless jerks who were the first against the wall when the revolution came." Tango Charlie
  • Score: -3

7:13pm Sun 16 Mar 14

pete woodley says...

What on earth was that last comment about ?.
What on earth was that last comment about ?. pete woodley
  • Score: 2

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