Success of winter skating at the BIC ‘could damage bid for permanent ice rink at Kings Park’

Success of winter skating at the BIC ‘could damage bid for permanent ice rink at Kings Park’

ICE FUN: Skaters enjoy the temporary ice rink at the BIC

DAMAGE: Cllr John Beesley

First published in News by

THE success of winter ice skating at the BIC could be damaging the viability of a permanent rink in at Kings Park, it has been claimed.

A temporary rink has been a big success at the conference centre in recent years and has boosted campaigns for a full-time rink.

But Bournemouth council leader Cllr John Beesley told the council that seasonal skating at the BIC could make a permanent rink less likely.

Planning permission already exists for a rink at Kings Park and Cllr Beesley said the council had been “in discussions” with an ice rink operator “for some time”.

He added: “However, seasonal ice skating at the BIC is affecting the financial viability of a new facility at Kings Park. While the council continues to fully support the provision of a new ice facility in King’s Park, we need to ensure that the chosen development partner has a deliverable business model.”

Since 2010, the council’s entertainment and leisure venues have been run by a charitable trust, BH Live.

Cllr Beesley told the Daily Echo: “We don’t have control over the operational issues with BH Live at any of their facilities. They are independent of the council in that respect.”

He added: “That doesn’t mean we can’t explain the position to them and that’s what we are doing.”

Cllr Beesley had been answering a question from Independent Cllr Ron Whittaker, who urged the council to decide on a rink for Kings Park as soon as possible.

Mary Waygood, one of the organisers of the petition for a rink, said: “Investors shouldn’t be concerned about the temporary rink at the BIC, which is only in place for two and a half months of the year.

“I haven’t come across anyone locally who would choose to use a small temporary rink, charging high prices with no concessions and limited ice time, over a permanent Olympic or similar size rink offering far superior facilities and at better rates.”

She said the Facebook group Westover Ice Rink – Memories, which was set up to share memories of the town centre rink which closed in 1991, now had more than 660 members.

An online petition has passed 1,200 signatures and there around 500 more on hard copy petitions.

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8:04am Fri 7 Mar 14

B'mth bred says...

Sorry Mr Beesley but didn't you commission a separate outdoor skating ring in the gardens during the Xmas period? Perhaps you should be having a word with yourself....
Sorry Mr Beesley but didn't you commission a separate outdoor skating ring in the gardens during the Xmas period? Perhaps you should be having a word with yourself.... B'mth bred
  • Score: 10

8:07am Fri 7 Mar 14

B'mth bred says...

Sorry Mr Beesley but didn't you commission the outdoor skating rink in the gardens that was in operation during the Xmas festive period. Perhaps you should be have a word with yourself.....
Sorry Mr Beesley but didn't you commission the outdoor skating rink in the gardens that was in operation during the Xmas festive period. Perhaps you should be have a word with yourself..... B'mth bred
  • Score: 6

8:16am Fri 7 Mar 14

BIGTONE says...

What a daft comment from the Council bloke.
It's what's commonly called commercial competition.

Why can't the Council bloke admit that they would lose money if they operated a rink because they left it too late?
What a daft comment from the Council bloke. It's what's commonly called commercial competition. Why can't the Council bloke admit that they would lose money if they operated a rink because they left it too late? BIGTONE
  • Score: 9

8:45am Fri 7 Mar 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

OK lets test the theory, next winter lets have two temporary ice rinks, one in the BIC and one at Kings Park?
OK lets test the theory, next winter lets have two temporary ice rinks, one in the BIC and one at Kings Park? The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: -3

9:06am Fri 7 Mar 14

alasdair1967 says...

Obviously success of the temporary rink is an indication that people want to skate
Obviously success of the temporary rink is an indication that people want to skate alasdair1967
  • Score: 20

9:17am Fri 7 Mar 14

jinglebell says...

The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
OK lets test the theory, next winter lets have two temporary ice rinks, one in the BIC and one at Kings Park?
The temporary ice rink would be seen in the real world of business as a "taster" or "pilot". In other words, you try your project out at a small venue and if its successful, you roll it out in a bigger way.
The different venue should be tried out too. So its pretty simple really, since the temporary one is doing well, you try it again at the new location and if that does well you make it permanent. In other words, The-Bleeding-Obvious is right.
[quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: OK lets test the theory, next winter lets have two temporary ice rinks, one in the BIC and one at Kings Park?[/p][/quote]The temporary ice rink would be seen in the real world of business as a "taster" or "pilot". In other words, you try your project out at a small venue and if its successful, you roll it out in a bigger way. The different venue should be tried out too. So its pretty simple really, since the temporary one is doing well, you try it again at the new location and if that does well you make it permanent. In other words, The-Bleeding-Obvious is right. jinglebell
  • Score: 6

9:25am Fri 7 Mar 14

billy bumble says...

I am sure that I will get opprobrium for these comments - but I am very uncertain whether a full time ice rink is a commercial goer in today's times

Things have moved on since Westover Road days and while I am sure there is a number of people who are dedicated skaters and will support a venue all year round my guess is that they are not enough to make a full time rink viable
I am sure that I will get opprobrium for these comments - but I am very uncertain whether a full time ice rink is a commercial goer in today's times Things have moved on since Westover Road days and while I am sure there is a number of people who are dedicated skaters and will support a venue all year round my guess is that they are not enough to make a full time rink viable billy bumble
  • Score: 11

9:41am Fri 7 Mar 14

speedy231278 says...

At least a permanent rink would negate the damage done to the grass in the Gardens by the excessively expensive one that appears every winter (no doubt lining the pockets of S+D Leisure). It looks like a brownfield site out there at present! Some lads from the council or one of their subcontractors seemed to be making a half-hearted attempt to scarify and reseed the affected areas, but didn't really seem to know exactly what they were doing. It'll be months before it has recovered!
At least a permanent rink would negate the damage done to the grass in the Gardens by the excessively expensive one that appears every winter (no doubt lining the pockets of S+D Leisure). It looks like a brownfield site out there at present! Some lads from the council or one of their subcontractors seemed to be making a half-hearted attempt to scarify and reseed the affected areas, but didn't really seem to know exactly what they were doing. It'll be months before it has recovered! speedy231278
  • Score: 0

9:59am Fri 7 Mar 14

QP-retired says...

Is it just me or is the Council beginning to be a little dissatisfied with the way the 'charitable leisure trust' are running activities at the BIC???
Is it just me or is the Council beginning to be a little dissatisfied with the way the 'charitable leisure trust' are running activities at the BIC??? QP-retired
  • Score: 4

10:46am Fri 7 Mar 14

BmthNewshound says...

Although I don't support the building of an ice rink - I think its a very small but vocal minority demanding it and that it'll end up a white elephant - I think Beesleys argument works both ways - A permanent ice rink could impact the financial viability of the BIC seasonal ice rink.
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As for the BH Live being independent of the Council that isn't the case. The Trust receives money from the Council and there are 5 of Beelsey's Tory Councillors on the main board and trading company board of directors.
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Is the real reason for Beelsey's comment that talks with potential operators are not going well and that the plans may be kicked into the long grass ?
Although I don't support the building of an ice rink - I think its a very small but vocal minority demanding it and that it'll end up a white elephant - I think Beesleys argument works both ways - A permanent ice rink could impact the financial viability of the BIC seasonal ice rink. . As for the BH Live being independent of the Council that isn't the case. The Trust receives money from the Council and there are 5 of Beelsey's Tory Councillors on the main board and trading company board of directors. . Is the real reason for Beelsey's comment that talks with potential operators are not going well and that the plans may be kicked into the long grass ? BmthNewshound
  • Score: 3

10:50am Fri 7 Mar 14

John T says...

Come in, Bob49, your time on ice is up!
Come in, Bob49, your time on ice is up! John T
  • Score: 2

11:00am Fri 7 Mar 14

bmthtony says...

As long as the rink has multi functions then it should work. Ice skating, Ice Hockey, Curling. Even after all the interest after the last 2 winter olympics, there still is only one dedicated curling rink in the whole of England, and thats in Kent.
I know of people that travel up to Basingstoke to play Ice Hockey from Bournemouth that would relish a local rink. I'm sure if we got a halfway decent team they would also get a good following.
As long as the rink has multi functions then it should work. Ice skating, Ice Hockey, Curling. Even after all the interest after the last 2 winter olympics, there still is only one dedicated curling rink in the whole of England, and thats in Kent. I know of people that travel up to Basingstoke to play Ice Hockey from Bournemouth that would relish a local rink. I'm sure if we got a halfway decent team they would also get a good following. bmthtony
  • Score: 10

11:47am Fri 7 Mar 14

hadvar says...

Sorry to be a little off topic, and, I know one shouldn't judge a book by it cover. But that photo of Mr Beasley. You'd have a better one done wouldn't you, if you were him? It just shouts 'Prat' at you.
Sorry to be a little off topic, and, I know one shouldn't judge a book by it cover. But that photo of Mr Beasley. You'd have a better one done wouldn't you, if you were him? It just shouts 'Prat' at you. hadvar
  • Score: 1

12:42pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Phixer says...

hadvar wrote:
Sorry to be a little off topic, and, I know one shouldn't judge a book by it cover. But that photo of Mr Beasley. You'd have a better one done wouldn't you, if you were him? It just shouts 'Prat' at you.
The camera never lies!
[quote][p][bold]hadvar[/bold] wrote: Sorry to be a little off topic, and, I know one shouldn't judge a book by it cover. But that photo of Mr Beasley. You'd have a better one done wouldn't you, if you were him? It just shouts 'Prat' at you.[/p][/quote]The camera never lies! Phixer
  • Score: 4

12:47pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Phixer says...

The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
OK lets test the theory, next winter lets have two temporary ice rinks, one in the BIC and one at Kings Park?
I would suggest that the BIC is successful because of its location, close to the town centre where the parents can go for a drink or shop while the kids go skating. An ideal wet-weather entertainment.

Can you see parents going into Boscombe for shopping or a snack?

Maybe the BBC should make a rink a condition for planning permission on the bus station site?
[quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: OK lets test the theory, next winter lets have two temporary ice rinks, one in the BIC and one at Kings Park?[/p][/quote]I would suggest that the BIC is successful because of its location, close to the town centre where the parents can go for a drink or shop while the kids go skating. An ideal wet-weather entertainment. Can you see parents going into Boscombe for shopping or a snack? Maybe the BBC should make a rink a condition for planning permission on the bus station site? Phixer
  • Score: 0

1:46pm Fri 7 Mar 14

seaviews says...

A cartel can make more money if its competition is removed!

'Cllr Beesley told the Daily Echo: “We don’t have control over the operational issues with BH Live at any of their facilities. They are independent of the council in that respect.”

He added: “That doesn’t mean we can’t explain the position to them and that’s what we are doing.”'

Does that mean they will be threatened/forced to follow the council requirement, or else things will be made very difficult for them.
A cartel can make more money if its competition is removed! 'Cllr Beesley told the Daily Echo: “We don’t have control over the operational issues with BH Live at any of their facilities. They are independent of the council in that respect.” He added: “That doesn’t mean we can’t explain the position to them and that’s what we are doing.”' Does that mean they will be threatened/forced to follow the council requirement, or else things will be made very difficult for them. seaviews
  • Score: 2

2:00pm Fri 7 Mar 14

CourtOffside says...

If a few weeks' winter leisure skating in the BIC is really impacting the viability of an ice stadium's business model, you're doing it wrong.

It should be a multi purpose indoor arena that happens to house an Olympic sized rink... look at the Sheffield Arena and copy that.
If a few weeks' winter leisure skating in the BIC is really impacting the viability of an ice stadium's business model, you're doing it wrong. It should be a multi purpose indoor arena that happens to house an Olympic sized rink... look at the Sheffield Arena and copy that. CourtOffside
  • Score: 5

2:57pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Bob49 says...

"Discussions" ... "for some time" eh

Whereas in reality we were told before the planning meeting that it was a done deal and the council had only to ok it and ... hey presto - one O;ympic size ice rink in Kings Park.

Perhaps that was why one not tolo bright councillor tried to jump the gun and put it to the vote BEFORE representations were heard !

The actual plans for this absurdity were a joke, with the finacial success of this project being dependant upon all weather archery courst and climbing walls. There was virtually no safe access for buses or any meanns to cope with the exta traffic - where they would park when AFCB were at home was not explained.

Unfortunately the reality of this project and the ongoing closing of rinks elsewhere will not dampen the dreams of those who, like the former residents of Tyneham who continued to believe that their lost world would one day return, belief that the 1960's can come back.

It was no more than a ruse to get a change of use and to build on a large open green space in the town. Nothing has changed and i'm sure the posts about this are still up on the Daily Echo website. Posts that clearly stated that this nonsense would not go ahead way before that planning meeting.

Maybe it's time for some folk to stop dreaming and wake up to the reality of what is happening to their town ie the council handing over so much of public owned assets to favoured developers under the guise of some farcical 'amenity' - before they get their greedy hands on the next one
"Discussions" ... "for some time" eh Whereas in reality we were told before the planning meeting that it was a done deal and the council had only to ok it and ... hey presto - one O;ympic size ice rink in Kings Park. Perhaps that was why one not tolo bright councillor tried to jump the gun and put it to the vote BEFORE representations were heard ! The actual plans for this absurdity were a joke, with the finacial success of this project being dependant upon all weather archery courst and climbing walls. There was virtually no safe access for buses or any meanns to cope with the exta traffic - where they would park when AFCB were at home was not explained. Unfortunately the reality of this project and the ongoing closing of rinks elsewhere will not dampen the dreams of those who, like the former residents of Tyneham who continued to believe that their lost world would one day return, belief that the 1960's can come back. It was no more than a ruse to get a change of use and to build on a large open green space in the town. Nothing has changed and i'm sure the posts about this are still up on the Daily Echo website. Posts that clearly stated that this nonsense would not go ahead way before that planning meeting. Maybe it's time for some folk to stop dreaming and wake up to the reality of what is happening to their town ie the council handing over so much of public owned assets to favoured developers under the guise of some farcical 'amenity' - before they get their greedy hands on the next one Bob49
  • Score: 4

3:00pm Fri 7 Mar 14

ladychat says...

We don't need an ice rink at Kings Park, we need one in the town centre so that all Bournemouth residents, and tourists on duller/rainy days, can use it all year round. And yes, it could also be used for ice hockey and curling, what a wonderful idea. But then again, like all the other plans for the town centre, the council (Mr Beesley) would stop anything from going ahead as usual.
We don't need an ice rink at Kings Park, we need one in the town centre so that all Bournemouth residents, and tourists on duller/rainy days, can use it all year round. And yes, it could also be used for ice hockey and curling, what a wonderful idea. But then again, like all the other plans for the town centre, the council (Mr Beesley) would stop anything from going ahead as usual. ladychat
  • Score: -1

5:14pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Bob49 says...

"We don't need an ice rink at Kings Park..."

but the council did need it to get a change of use for that part of the park

as to an ice rink, if it was commercially viable in the town centre it would have happened a long while ago

people need to understand what was the real purpose of that planning vote rather than over exciting themselves about some idea on an ice rink in Bournemouth
"We don't need an ice rink at Kings Park..." but the council did need it to get a change of use for that part of the park as to an ice rink, if it was commercially viable in the town centre it would have happened a long while ago people need to understand what was the real purpose of that planning vote rather than over exciting themselves about some idea on an ice rink in Bournemouth Bob49
  • Score: 4

5:20pm Fri 7 Mar 14

O'Reilly says...

alasdair1967 wrote:
Obviously success of the temporary rink is an indication that people want to skate
Aye! not rocket salad is it?
[quote][p][bold]alasdair1967[/bold] wrote: Obviously success of the temporary rink is an indication that people want to skate[/p][/quote]Aye! not rocket salad is it? O'Reilly
  • Score: 0

5:27pm Fri 7 Mar 14

O'Reilly says...

hadvar wrote:
Sorry to be a little off topic, and, I know one shouldn't judge a book by it cover. But that photo of Mr Beasley. You'd have a better one done wouldn't you, if you were him? It just shouts 'Prat' at you.
You are too kind...........I'm sure a lot on here could come up with something more suitable.
[quote][p][bold]hadvar[/bold] wrote: Sorry to be a little off topic, and, I know one shouldn't judge a book by it cover. But that photo of Mr Beasley. You'd have a better one done wouldn't you, if you were him? It just shouts 'Prat' at you.[/p][/quote]You are too kind...........I'm sure a lot on here could come up with something more suitable. O'Reilly
  • Score: 1

5:34pm Fri 7 Mar 14

O'Reilly says...

Bob49 wrote:
"Discussions" ... "for some time" eh

Whereas in reality we were told before the planning meeting that it was a done deal and the council had only to ok it and ... hey presto - one O;ympic size ice rink in Kings Park.

Perhaps that was why one not tolo bright councillor tried to jump the gun and put it to the vote BEFORE representations were heard !

The actual plans for this absurdity were a joke, with the finacial success of this project being dependant upon all weather archery courst and climbing walls. There was virtually no safe access for buses or any meanns to cope with the exta traffic - where they would park when AFCB were at home was not explained.

Unfortunately the reality of this project and the ongoing closing of rinks elsewhere will not dampen the dreams of those who, like the former residents of Tyneham who continued to believe that their lost world would one day return, belief that the 1960's can come back.

It was no more than a ruse to get a change of use and to build on a large open green space in the town. Nothing has changed and i'm sure the posts about this are still up on the Daily Echo website. Posts that clearly stated that this nonsense would not go ahead way before that planning meeting.

Maybe it's time for some folk to stop dreaming and wake up to the reality of what is happening to their town ie the council handing over so much of public owned assets to favoured developers under the guise of some farcical 'amenity' - before they get their greedy hands on the next one
Bob49...........Well
, you were certainly right about the 'Surf Reef' being a red herring to allow the Barrett development.
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "Discussions" ... "for some time" eh Whereas in reality we were told before the planning meeting that it was a done deal and the council had only to ok it and ... hey presto - one O;ympic size ice rink in Kings Park. Perhaps that was why one not tolo bright councillor tried to jump the gun and put it to the vote BEFORE representations were heard ! The actual plans for this absurdity were a joke, with the finacial success of this project being dependant upon all weather archery courst and climbing walls. There was virtually no safe access for buses or any meanns to cope with the exta traffic - where they would park when AFCB were at home was not explained. Unfortunately the reality of this project and the ongoing closing of rinks elsewhere will not dampen the dreams of those who, like the former residents of Tyneham who continued to believe that their lost world would one day return, belief that the 1960's can come back. It was no more than a ruse to get a change of use and to build on a large open green space in the town. Nothing has changed and i'm sure the posts about this are still up on the Daily Echo website. Posts that clearly stated that this nonsense would not go ahead way before that planning meeting. Maybe it's time for some folk to stop dreaming and wake up to the reality of what is happening to their town ie the council handing over so much of public owned assets to favoured developers under the guise of some farcical 'amenity' - before they get their greedy hands on the next one[/p][/quote]Bob49...........Well , you were certainly right about the 'Surf Reef' being a red herring to allow the Barrett development. O'Reilly
  • Score: 4

8:11pm Fri 7 Mar 14

High Treason says...

Since 2010, the council’s entertainment and leisure venues have been run by a charitable trust, BH Live.

A charitable trust, simply another way of running council facilities by the back door by a chosen few companies.
Since 2010, the council’s entertainment and leisure venues have been run by a charitable trust, BH Live. A charitable trust, simply another way of running council facilities by the back door by a chosen few companies. High Treason
  • Score: 3

9:42pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Bournefre says...

Presumably during the winter months a dedicated Olympic sized rink at Kings park would continue to be frequented by the same people who are expected to use it all year round - come the winter people aren't suddenly going to lose interest in ice shows, ice hockey, curling, and all the other wonderfully wintery things this new facility is supposed to offer; if anything I would expect the opposite to be true.

This is of course assuming that a new ice rink will prove as popular as one which shut down 25 years ago - a few of the former users of the Westover rink promising to drag their kids along to see if they are into the same thing their parents were is no guarantee of a successful business venture - remember this is supposed to be a modern facility, not a museum of a few people's childhood.
The people who might visit a temporary rink at the BIC for a festive frolic on the ice might be put off by the seriousness of a permanent, competitive, Olympic sized rink; if a temporary rink is supposed to be indicative of how popular or potentially popular ice skating is in general then new skaters should be flocking to Gosport every weekend, however I suspect many users of this seasonal rink have little more passing interest than someone who might sit in front of 'Dancing on Ice' if it's on on a Saturday evening.

As I've said before, a temporary rink should be trialled in the summer before any concrete commitments are made - there may only be one dedicated curling rink in the country, but I feel Bournemouth did more than it's share of pioneering by bringing Europe it's first artificial surf reef.
Presumably during the winter months a dedicated Olympic sized rink at Kings park would continue to be frequented by the same people who are expected to use it all year round - come the winter people aren't suddenly going to lose interest in ice shows, ice hockey, curling, and all the other wonderfully wintery things this new facility is supposed to offer; if anything I would expect the opposite to be true. This is of course assuming that a new ice rink will prove as popular as one which shut down 25 years ago - a few of the former users of the Westover rink promising to drag their kids along to see if they are into the same thing their parents were is no guarantee of a successful business venture - remember this is supposed to be a modern facility, not a museum of a few people's childhood. The people who might visit a temporary rink at the BIC for a festive frolic on the ice might be put off by the seriousness of a permanent, competitive, Olympic sized rink; if a temporary rink is supposed to be indicative of how popular or potentially popular ice skating is in general then new skaters should be flocking to Gosport every weekend, however I suspect many users of this seasonal rink have little more passing interest than someone who might sit in front of 'Dancing on Ice' if it's on on a Saturday evening. As I've said before, a temporary rink should be trialled in the summer before any concrete commitments are made - there may only be one dedicated curling rink in the country, but I feel Bournemouth did more than it's share of pioneering by bringing Europe it's first artificial surf reef. Bournefre
  • Score: 4

3:35am Sat 8 Mar 14

steveatbournemouth says...

Don't blame BH Live, didn't the Council have a Rink in the Gardens?????
Don't blame BH Live, didn't the Council have a Rink in the Gardens????? steveatbournemouth
  • Score: 0

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