‘I’m sorry it ever happened’ – ‘one punch’ cyclist speaks out

CCTV: Andrew Young is attacked by Lewis Gill

Lewis Gill

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THE cyclist involved in the argument that led to one-punch killer Lewis Gill attacking a vulnerable man in Bournemouth says he is sorry it ever happened.

Victor Ibitoye said he was horrified when Gill reacted to the confrontation by striking Andrew Young in Charminster with the blow that killed him.

The university student said he had no idea 22-year-old Gill was capable of such sickening violence and has had nothing to do with him since the attack in November.

Gill was jailed for four years for causing the manslaughter of Mr Young, a 40-year-old Asperger’s sufferer who challenged Mr Ibitoye, 21, for cycling on the pavement.

Mr Ibitoye cycled away from Mr Young, who was said to have then made a racist remark – prompting Gill to punch him.

The victim fell backwards and struck his head on the road surface. The attack was captured on CCTV.

Warning: this CCTV footage contains graphic scenes of a violent incident

Mr Ibitoye said: “I’m sorry about what happened; I wasn’t aware that this would happen at all. My thoughts are with Andrew Young’s family.”

Mr Ibitoye is studying architecture at Arts University Bournemouth, where Gill’s ex-girlfriend Wendy Cagua-Rodriguez, 20, is also a student.

Gill, from Sutton, south London, travelled to Bournemouth to meet up with the pair and they were heading home when they passed Mr Young.

Mr Ibitoye, who is originally from Croydon, said: “I was cycling on the pavement and he said that was dangerous.

“I told him I wasn’t hurting anybody or going fast and he said he was going to call the police.

“He didn’t do it; I just rode off because the argument wasn’t going anywhere.”

He said that Mr Young then used a racist remark. As Mr Ibitoye questioned him, Gill punched him.

He added: “Lewis walked off and I didn’t say anything. I was stunned because I didn’t expect anybody to get punched; I was shocked at his reaction.

“I spoke to a gentleman who was by Mr Young and I asked if he was OK and I briefly told him what had happened and when I looked at Mr Young he was breathing.

“He said he was going to call an ambulance and so I got on my bike and went away.

“When I found out Mr Young had passed away it was really hard to hear. Lewis called me and he apologised for putting me through the situation.

“I don’t want to be associated with someone who has taken a life.”

Mr Ibitoye said he had no opinion on the sentence handed to Gill and he trusted the courts to make the right decision.

The sentence is being reviewed by Attorney General Dominic Grieve after hundreds of people complained.

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6:52am Mon 3 Mar 14

Moro99 says...

A lesson needs to be learned about stirring up hatred.
A lesson needs to be learned about stirring up hatred. Moro99
  • Score: -54

7:38am Mon 3 Mar 14

hooplaa says...

Why do the echo call him 'one-punch killer Lewis Gill' ? He isn't a boxer going into the ring! it should be 'bully Lewis Gill'
Why do the echo call him 'one-punch killer Lewis Gill' ? He isn't a boxer going into the ring! it should be 'bully Lewis Gill' hooplaa
  • Score: 46

7:39am Mon 3 Mar 14

curryandstella says...

Very sad case. Cyclists who cycle on the pavements are a nuisance and it is dangerous, my mother in law was hit by a cyclist and she needed 17 stitches in her face. As for MORO99, If you think that punching someone and killing them for saying a racial comment you too are a problem. Gill should get 20 years minimum.
Very sad case. Cyclists who cycle on the pavements are a nuisance and it is dangerous, my mother in law was hit by a cyclist and she needed 17 stitches in her face. As for MORO99, If you think that punching someone and killing them for saying a racial comment you too are a problem. Gill should get 20 years minimum. curryandstella
  • Score: 27

7:40am Mon 3 Mar 14

BournemouthMum says...

He has nothing to be sorry about, he did nothing wrong.
He has nothing to be sorry about, he did nothing wrong. BournemouthMum
  • Score: -91

7:47am Mon 3 Mar 14

Hawkstone says...

BournemouthMum wrote:
He has nothing to be sorry about, he did nothing wrong.
Umm.....cycled away from a man lying in the road who was obviously injured. Some compassion he had!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: He has nothing to be sorry about, he did nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]Umm.....cycled away from a man lying in the road who was obviously injured. Some compassion he had!!!!!! Hawkstone
  • Score: 107

8:09am Mon 3 Mar 14

Hessenford says...

curryandstella wrote:
Very sad case. Cyclists who cycle on the pavements are a nuisance and it is dangerous, my mother in law was hit by a cyclist and she needed 17 stitches in her face. As for MORO99, If you think that punching someone and killing them for saying a racial comment you too are a problem. Gill should get 20 years minimum.
Quite right, during the last 20 years town centres and high streets have been closed to vehicles in favor of pedestrianisation which means pedestrians, not pedestrians and cyclists.
[quote][p][bold]curryandstella[/bold] wrote: Very sad case. Cyclists who cycle on the pavements are a nuisance and it is dangerous, my mother in law was hit by a cyclist and she needed 17 stitches in her face. As for MORO99, If you think that punching someone and killing them for saying a racial comment you too are a problem. Gill should get 20 years minimum.[/p][/quote]Quite right, during the last 20 years town centres and high streets have been closed to vehicles in favor of pedestrianisation which means pedestrians, not pedestrians and cyclists. Hessenford
  • Score: 23

8:15am Mon 3 Mar 14

Valerie W. says...

None of this would have happened if this person had not been BREAKING THE LAW by cycling on the pavement. There's footage of him doing so and his identity has been established, why is he not being prosecuted?
None of this would have happened if this person had not been BREAKING THE LAW by cycling on the pavement. There's footage of him doing so and his identity has been established, why is he not being prosecuted? Valerie W.
  • Score: 47

8:16am Mon 3 Mar 14

bournemouthforever says...

Hawkstone wrote:
BournemouthMum wrote:
He has nothing to be sorry about, he did nothing wrong.
Umm.....cycled away from a man lying in the road who was obviously injured. Some compassion he had!!!!!!
Well the cctv doesn't show him going back which isn't good, does that then mean that it never happened, its funny how it cuts just after he stops again.....hmmm further more the article says "he spoke to a gentleman that was by Mr young and asked him if he was ok" don't think he could of done that if ran off, if your going to base your judgement's of someone from an article read it to its entirety then comment on his compassion
[quote][p][bold]Hawkstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: He has nothing to be sorry about, he did nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]Umm.....cycled away from a man lying in the road who was obviously injured. Some compassion he had!!!!!![/p][/quote]Well the cctv doesn't show him going back which isn't good, does that then mean that it never happened, its funny how it cuts just after he stops again.....hmmm further more the article says "he spoke to a gentleman that was by Mr young and asked him if he was ok" don't think he could of done that if ran off, if your going to base your judgement's of someone from an article read it to its entirety then comment on his compassion bournemouthforever
  • Score: 15

8:24am Mon 3 Mar 14

bournemouthforever says...

Valerie W. wrote:
None of this would have happened if this person had not been BREAKING THE LAW by cycling on the pavement. There's footage of him doing so and his identity has been established, why is he not being prosecuted?
Most he can get is a £30 pound fine, I think we have all seen people cycle on the pavement and none of us have felt the urge to call police because in term of severity it finds itself at the bottom of that table, I think prosecution for riding a bike on the pavement is an illogical stretch on spot fine is all he would of been given if stopped by police, the system that has been put in place would have truly failed if he was sent to prison with killers and rapist and sex offender for riding on the pavement
[quote][p][bold]Valerie W.[/bold] wrote: None of this would have happened if this person had not been BREAKING THE LAW by cycling on the pavement. There's footage of him doing so and his identity has been established, why is he not being prosecuted?[/p][/quote]Most he can get is a £30 pound fine, I think we have all seen people cycle on the pavement and none of us have felt the urge to call police because in term of severity it finds itself at the bottom of that table, I think prosecution for riding a bike on the pavement is an illogical stretch on spot fine is all he would of been given if stopped by police, the system that has been put in place would have truly failed if he was sent to prison with killers and rapist and sex offender for riding on the pavement bournemouthforever
  • Score: 17

9:03am Mon 3 Mar 14

Gingertree says...

Surely you have a bike but you are with someone you get off and push Had he done this Mr Gill would still be alive
Surely you have a bike but you are with someone you get off and push Had he done this Mr Gill would still be alive Gingertree
  • Score: 12

9:03am Mon 3 Mar 14

Franks Tank says...

I think most people who would refer to themselves a "cyclists" would also try distance themselves from Victor Ibitoye.
I might be splitting hairs here and arguing over semantics but, Victor Ibitoye is clearly just a bloke on a bike (on the pavement).
I doubt he has any interest in the activity or sport of cycling in any of its forms and it would probably be far more accurate to refer to him as a "jean, sweatshirt and trainer enthusiast".
The proper use of bicycles by all should be encouraged but please don't try to lump everyone on bicycle into the cyclist category.
I think most people who would refer to themselves a "cyclists" would also try distance themselves from Victor Ibitoye. I might be splitting hairs here and arguing over semantics but, Victor Ibitoye is clearly just a bloke on a bike (on the pavement). I doubt he has any interest in the activity or sport of cycling in any of its forms and it would probably be far more accurate to refer to him as a "jean, sweatshirt and trainer enthusiast". The proper use of bicycles by all should be encouraged but please don't try to lump everyone on bicycle into the cyclist category. Franks Tank
  • Score: 26

9:07am Mon 3 Mar 14

Gingertree says...

Sorry that should obviously read Mr Young would still be alive
Sorry that should obviously read Mr Young would still be alive Gingertree
  • Score: 3

9:24am Mon 3 Mar 14

Mamma Troll says...

Warning: this CCTV footage contains graphic scenes of a violent incident:

no it doesn't, it shows a MURDER.


c'mon stop showing this. have you no morals.
Warning: this CCTV footage contains graphic scenes of a violent incident: no it doesn't, it shows a MURDER. c'mon stop showing this. have you no morals. Mamma Troll
  • Score: 7

9:31am Mon 3 Mar 14

pete woodley says...

He did not bother to see if mr young was ok,but still carried on with his friends,no compassion from the girl or the other bloke just up the road.He also made the racial allegation which many of us do not believe,now he pretends nothing happened and he has nothing to worry about.B*****D.
He did not bother to see if mr young was ok,but still carried on with his friends,no compassion from the girl or the other bloke just up the road.He also made the racial allegation which many of us do not believe,now he pretends nothing happened and he has nothing to worry about.B*****D. pete woodley
  • Score: 15

9:54am Mon 3 Mar 14

bournemouthforever says...

It really seem like a lot of people are playing the blame game which is understandable, but I think we should look at the situation for what it is, im a Bournemouth lad through and through, was born and raised in this town, now growing up I used to cycle on the pavement and as bad as it sounds it was safer than being hit by a car, I lost 3 school mate growing up and that's had to stay with me although cycling on the pavement is a crime its up to the police to catch them in the act and punish them do not sit behind your computers and condemn a young lad for cycling on the pavement. he got into an argument (like many of us have once or twice in our lives) and he walked away from it like many of us would, the action of the friend that came up behind him was not his own action, Victor is sorry that this ever happen which he should be and that is all that we can ask of him and to also reframe from cycling on the pavement from now on, as for many of you on here saying he didn't go back its come to my attention that the full cctv footage does show victor going back seconds after Andrew young was punched the footage may come to light its just a matter of who puts it out first
It really seem like a lot of people are playing the blame game which is understandable, but I think we should look at the situation for what it is, im a Bournemouth lad through and through, was born and raised in this town, now growing up I used to cycle on the pavement and as bad as it sounds it was safer than being hit by a car, I lost 3 school mate growing up and that's had to stay with me although cycling on the pavement is a crime its up to the police to catch them in the act and punish them do not sit behind your computers and condemn a young lad for cycling on the pavement. he got into an argument (like many of us have once or twice in our lives) and he walked away from it like many of us would, the action of the friend that came up behind him was not his own action, Victor is sorry that this ever happen which he should be and that is all that we can ask of him and to also reframe from cycling on the pavement from now on, as for many of you on here saying he didn't go back its come to my attention that the full cctv footage does show victor going back seconds after Andrew young was punched the footage may come to light its just a matter of who puts it out first bournemouthforever
  • Score: 26

10:12am Mon 3 Mar 14

Mairy Hinge says...

pete woodley wrote:
He did not bother to see if mr young was ok,but still carried on with his friends,no compassion from the girl or the other bloke just up the road.He also made the racial allegation which many of us do not believe,now he pretends nothing happened and he has nothing to worry about.B*****D.
Better to concentrate on the bike than the racism, makes you feel better about it all. How can you dismiss the racist allegation? Ignorance !!
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: He did not bother to see if mr young was ok,but still carried on with his friends,no compassion from the girl or the other bloke just up the road.He also made the racial allegation which many of us do not believe,now he pretends nothing happened and he has nothing to worry about.B*****D.[/p][/quote]Better to concentrate on the bike than the racism, makes you feel better about it all. How can you dismiss the racist allegation? Ignorance !! Mairy Hinge
  • Score: -22

10:12am Mon 3 Mar 14

scrumpyjack says...

Moro99 wrote:
A lesson needs to be learned about stirring up hatred.
I hate your cliched, pointless post.

Please stop stirring it.
[quote][p][bold]Moro99[/bold] wrote: A lesson needs to be learned about stirring up hatred.[/p][/quote]I hate your cliched, pointless post. Please stop stirring it. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 16

10:22am Mon 3 Mar 14

Peggy Babcock says...

Looking at the video, he stops and looks to be getting off his bike...
Looking at the video, he stops and looks to be getting off his bike... Peggy Babcock
  • Score: 17

10:50am Mon 3 Mar 14

bmthmark says...

BournemouthMum wrote:
He has nothing to be sorry about, he did nothing wrong.
You have got to be joking with that comment!
He has everything to be sorry about, he made no attempt to see if the poor man was ok. Just rode off like nothing happened.
[quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: He has nothing to be sorry about, he did nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]You have got to be joking with that comment! He has everything to be sorry about, he made no attempt to see if the poor man was ok. Just rode off like nothing happened. bmthmark
  • Score: 1

10:50am Mon 3 Mar 14

Mairy Hinge says...

curryandstella wrote:
Very sad case. Cyclists who cycle on the pavements are a nuisance and it is dangerous, my mother in law was hit by a cyclist and she needed 17 stitches in her face. As for MORO99, If you think that punching someone and killing them for saying a racial comment you too are a problem. Gill should get 20 years minimum.
To concentrate on the bike on the path more than the alleged racist comment is in itself idiocy, makes the local folk feel a bit better about their views though!
[quote][p][bold]curryandstella[/bold] wrote: Very sad case. Cyclists who cycle on the pavements are a nuisance and it is dangerous, my mother in law was hit by a cyclist and she needed 17 stitches in her face. As for MORO99, If you think that punching someone and killing them for saying a racial comment you too are a problem. Gill should get 20 years minimum.[/p][/quote]To concentrate on the bike on the path more than the alleged racist comment is in itself idiocy, makes the local folk feel a bit better about their views though! Mairy Hinge
  • Score: -18

10:52am Mon 3 Mar 14

TheDistrict says...

Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.
Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious. TheDistrict
  • Score: 20

10:55am Mon 3 Mar 14

Mairy Hinge says...

TheDistrict wrote:
Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.
I agree he should have walked on and reported the racist comment.
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.[/p][/quote]I agree he should have walked on and reported the racist comment. Mairy Hinge
  • Score: -14

11:07am Mon 3 Mar 14

speedy231278 says...

Valerie W. wrote:
None of this would have happened if this person had not been BREAKING THE LAW by cycling on the pavement. There's footage of him doing so and his identity has been established, why is he not being prosecuted?
The local authorities love cyclists, that's why. After all, that's why hundreds of thousands were wasted on making the Richmond Hill roundabout an utter mess in the name of making it 'cyclist friendly' (and even they hate it because it's utterly unsafe now). The local cops were recently handing out free lights for people breaking the law by cycling at night without lights (try and see what happens if your car/motorcycle is found to be unroadworthy!).
[quote][p][bold]Valerie W.[/bold] wrote: None of this would have happened if this person had not been BREAKING THE LAW by cycling on the pavement. There's footage of him doing so and his identity has been established, why is he not being prosecuted?[/p][/quote]The local authorities love cyclists, that's why. After all, that's why hundreds of thousands were wasted on making the Richmond Hill roundabout an utter mess in the name of making it 'cyclist friendly' (and even they hate it because it's utterly unsafe now). The local cops were recently handing out free lights for people breaking the law by cycling at night without lights (try and see what happens if your car/motorcycle is found to be unroadworthy!). speedy231278
  • Score: 0

11:09am Mon 3 Mar 14

speedy231278 says...

Two wrongs do not make a right. The deceased should not racially abuse someone just because they or an associate are illegally cycling on a pavement, and the guilty party should not have violently assaulted the deceased. A damning incitement of modern society when a couple of completely avoidable circumstances result in a fatality.
Two wrongs do not make a right. The deceased should not racially abuse someone just because they or an associate are illegally cycling on a pavement, and the guilty party should not have violently assaulted the deceased. A damning incitement of modern society when a couple of completely avoidable circumstances result in a fatality. speedy231278
  • Score: -16

11:20am Mon 3 Mar 14

pete woodley says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Two wrongs do not make a right. The deceased should not racially abuse someone just because they or an associate are illegally cycling on a pavement, and the guilty party should not have violently assaulted the deceased. A damning incitement of modern society when a couple of completely avoidable circumstances result in a fatality.
was there racial abuse i and many doubt it just another racial excuse for murder
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Two wrongs do not make a right. The deceased should not racially abuse someone just because they or an associate are illegally cycling on a pavement, and the guilty party should not have violently assaulted the deceased. A damning incitement of modern society when a couple of completely avoidable circumstances result in a fatality.[/p][/quote]was there racial abuse i and many doubt it just another racial excuse for murder pete woodley
  • Score: 22

11:30am Mon 3 Mar 14

Arthur Maureen says...

Any excuse for an anti-cyclist rant by the echo, gladly lapped up by the usual sheep on here.
Any excuse for an anti-cyclist rant by the echo, gladly lapped up by the usual sheep on here. Arthur Maureen
  • Score: -3

11:31am Mon 3 Mar 14

bournemouthforever says...

bmthmark wrote:
BournemouthMum wrote:
He has nothing to be sorry about, he did nothing wrong.
You have got to be joking with that comment!
He has everything to be sorry about, he made no attempt to see if the poor man was ok. Just rode off like nothing happened.
once again another individual only reading what he wants to read, I would like to point you to the above article that everyone is reading and not the one in your head

thanks bmthmark
[quote][p][bold]bmthmark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: He has nothing to be sorry about, he did nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]You have got to be joking with that comment! He has everything to be sorry about, he made no attempt to see if the poor man was ok. Just rode off like nothing happened.[/p][/quote]once again another individual only reading what he wants to read, I would like to point you to the above article that everyone is reading and not the one in your head thanks bmthmark bournemouthforever
  • Score: 0

11:34am Mon 3 Mar 14

Dean Park says...

If he hadn't been riding his bike on the pavement in the first place none of this would have ever happened!
If he hadn't been riding his bike on the pavement in the first place none of this would have ever happened! Dean Park
  • Score: 5

11:37am Mon 3 Mar 14

bournemouthforever says...

pete woodley wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Two wrongs do not make a right. The deceased should not racially abuse someone just because they or an associate are illegally cycling on a pavement, and the guilty party should not have violently assaulted the deceased. A damning incitement of modern society when a couple of completely avoidable circumstances result in a fatality.
was there racial abuse i and many doubt it just another racial excuse for murder
if it wasn't racial abuse what stop victor from cycling of with that girl to turn around so abruptly because I wasn't there and neither where you, but I dont think he said "stop and turn around and look at me abruptly"
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Two wrongs do not make a right. The deceased should not racially abuse someone just because they or an associate are illegally cycling on a pavement, and the guilty party should not have violently assaulted the deceased. A damning incitement of modern society when a couple of completely avoidable circumstances result in a fatality.[/p][/quote]was there racial abuse i and many doubt it just another racial excuse for murder[/p][/quote]if it wasn't racial abuse what stop victor from cycling of with that girl to turn around so abruptly because I wasn't there and neither where you, but I dont think he said "stop and turn around and look at me abruptly" bournemouthforever
  • Score: -10

11:39am Mon 3 Mar 14

Mairy Hinge says...

pete woodley wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Two wrongs do not make a right. The deceased should not racially abuse someone just because they or an associate are illegally cycling on a pavement, and the guilty party should not have violently assaulted the deceased. A damning incitement of modern society when a couple of completely avoidable circumstances result in a fatality.
was there racial abuse i and many doubt it just another racial excuse for murder
A racial excuse for murder, utterly ridiculous
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Two wrongs do not make a right. The deceased should not racially abuse someone just because they or an associate are illegally cycling on a pavement, and the guilty party should not have violently assaulted the deceased. A damning incitement of modern society when a couple of completely avoidable circumstances result in a fatality.[/p][/quote]was there racial abuse i and many doubt it just another racial excuse for murder[/p][/quote]A racial excuse for murder, utterly ridiculous Mairy Hinge
  • Score: -15

11:41am Mon 3 Mar 14

bournemouthforever says...

Dean Park wrote:
If he hadn't been riding his bike on the pavement in the first place none of this would have ever happened!
So all the fault lies with him? are we not responsible for our own actions in life
[quote][p][bold]Dean Park[/bold] wrote: If he hadn't been riding his bike on the pavement in the first place none of this would have ever happened![/p][/quote]So all the fault lies with him? are we not responsible for our own actions in life bournemouthforever
  • Score: 1

11:54am Mon 3 Mar 14

Franks Tank says...

Gill was just upset that he'd been overlooked for the England captaincy again.
Gill was just upset that he'd been overlooked for the England captaincy again. Franks Tank
  • Score: -5

12:04pm Mon 3 Mar 14

afcb-mark says...

Mairy Hinge wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.
I agree he should have walked on and reported the racist comment.
The thing is no one will ever know if a racial comment was said as Mr Young is not here to tell his side of the story. The word of a murderer and previous offender as well as that of his mates should have been taken with a pinch of salt.
[quote][p][bold]Mairy Hinge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.[/p][/quote]I agree he should have walked on and reported the racist comment.[/p][/quote]The thing is no one will ever know if a racial comment was said as Mr Young is not here to tell his side of the story. The word of a murderer and previous offender as well as that of his mates should have been taken with a pinch of salt. afcb-mark
  • Score: 21

12:05pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Mairy Hinge says...

Franks Tank wrote:
Gill was just upset that he'd been overlooked for the England captaincy again.
Wow this will be a popular post for the locals very topical!
[quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: Gill was just upset that he'd been overlooked for the England captaincy again.[/p][/quote]Wow this will be a popular post for the locals very topical! Mairy Hinge
  • Score: -8

12:15pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Mairy Hinge says...

afcb-mark wrote:
Mairy Hinge wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.
I agree he should have walked on and reported the racist comment.
The thing is no one will ever know if a racial comment was said as Mr Young is not here to tell his side of the story. The word of a murderer and previous offender as well as that of his mates should have been taken with a pinch of salt.
Swept under the carpet? There's no talk of the comment on here only that it's not true, why is that? Absolutely no doubts in their minds, not a chance!!! Really? It's laughable the closet bigots that post on here
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mairy Hinge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.[/p][/quote]I agree he should have walked on and reported the racist comment.[/p][/quote]The thing is no one will ever know if a racial comment was said as Mr Young is not here to tell his side of the story. The word of a murderer and previous offender as well as that of his mates should have been taken with a pinch of salt.[/p][/quote]Swept under the carpet? There's no talk of the comment on here only that it's not true, why is that? Absolutely no doubts in their minds, not a chance!!! Really? It's laughable the closet bigots that post on here Mairy Hinge
  • Score: -11

12:17pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

curryandstella wrote:
Very sad case. Cyclists who cycle on the pavements are a nuisance and it is dangerous, my mother in law was hit by a cyclist and she needed 17 stitches in her face. As for MORO99, If you think that punching someone and killing them for saying a racial comment you too are a problem. Gill should get 20 years minimum.
Didn't think it would take long................
.........
[quote][p][bold]curryandstella[/bold] wrote: Very sad case. Cyclists who cycle on the pavements are a nuisance and it is dangerous, my mother in law was hit by a cyclist and she needed 17 stitches in her face. As for MORO99, If you think that punching someone and killing them for saying a racial comment you too are a problem. Gill should get 20 years minimum.[/p][/quote]Didn't think it would take long................ ......... Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 7

12:24pm Mon 3 Mar 14

nosuchluck54 says...

Mairy Hinge wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
Mairy Hinge wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.
I agree he should have walked on and reported the racist comment.
The thing is no one will ever know if a racial comment was said as Mr Young is not here to tell his side of the story. The word of a murderer and previous offender as well as that of his mates should have been taken with a pinch of salt.
Swept under the carpet? There's no talk of the comment on here only that it's not true, why is that? Absolutely no doubts in their minds, not a chance!!! Really? It's laughable the closet bigots that post on here
New kid on the block? Old one with a new username more like,with a lot to say !
[quote][p][bold]Mairy Hinge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mairy Hinge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.[/p][/quote]I agree he should have walked on and reported the racist comment.[/p][/quote]The thing is no one will ever know if a racial comment was said as Mr Young is not here to tell his side of the story. The word of a murderer and previous offender as well as that of his mates should have been taken with a pinch of salt.[/p][/quote]Swept under the carpet? There's no talk of the comment on here only that it's not true, why is that? Absolutely no doubts in their minds, not a chance!!! Really? It's laughable the closet bigots that post on here[/p][/quote]New kid on the block? Old one with a new username more like,with a lot to say ! nosuchluck54
  • Score: 4

12:25pm Mon 3 Mar 14

we-shall-see says...

I like the way he says "I don't want to be associated with someone who took a life" .......... maybe not mate, but YOU are the REASON this act took place. If you had not been riding on the pavement, this incident would not have happened........... such a pity YOU were not prosecuted for leaving the scene - as well as being handed a hefty fine for riding on the pavement.

GET YOUR CYCLE ON THE ROAD WHERE IT BELONGS!!!
I like the way he says "I don't want to be associated with someone who took a life" .......... maybe not mate, but YOU are the REASON this act took place. If you had not been riding on the pavement, this incident would not have happened........... such a pity YOU were not prosecuted for leaving the scene - as well as being handed a hefty fine for riding on the pavement. GET YOUR CYCLE ON THE ROAD WHERE IT BELONGS!!! we-shall-see
  • Score: 8

12:27pm Mon 3 Mar 14

rozmister says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Two wrongs do not make a right. The deceased should not racially abuse someone just because they or an associate are illegally cycling on a pavement, and the guilty party should not have violently assaulted the deceased. A damning incitement of modern society when a couple of completely avoidable circumstances result in a fatality.
There's quite a large difference being the wrong of saying something racially abusive and killing someone. Words and physical violence are two VERY different things in my book...
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Two wrongs do not make a right. The deceased should not racially abuse someone just because they or an associate are illegally cycling on a pavement, and the guilty party should not have violently assaulted the deceased. A damning incitement of modern society when a couple of completely avoidable circumstances result in a fatality.[/p][/quote]There's quite a large difference being the wrong of saying something racially abusive and killing someone. Words and physical violence are two VERY different things in my book... rozmister
  • Score: 17

12:29pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Mairy Hinge says...

nosuchluck54 wrote:
Mairy Hinge wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
Mairy Hinge wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.
I agree he should have walked on and reported the racist comment.
The thing is no one will ever know if a racial comment was said as Mr Young is not here to tell his side of the story. The word of a murderer and previous offender as well as that of his mates should have been taken with a pinch of salt.
Swept under the carpet? There's no talk of the comment on here only that it's not true, why is that? Absolutely no doubts in their minds, not a chance!!! Really? It's laughable the closet bigots that post on here
New kid on the block? Old one with a new username more like,with a lot to say !
Yes I have got a lot to say about the subject!! You however are just talking about me. I take it you don't share my views? Local are we?
[quote][p][bold]nosuchluck54[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mairy Hinge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mairy Hinge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.[/p][/quote]I agree he should have walked on and reported the racist comment.[/p][/quote]The thing is no one will ever know if a racial comment was said as Mr Young is not here to tell his side of the story. The word of a murderer and previous offender as well as that of his mates should have been taken with a pinch of salt.[/p][/quote]Swept under the carpet? There's no talk of the comment on here only that it's not true, why is that? Absolutely no doubts in their minds, not a chance!!! Really? It's laughable the closet bigots that post on here[/p][/quote]New kid on the block? Old one with a new username more like,with a lot to say ![/p][/quote]Yes I have got a lot to say about the subject!! You however are just talking about me. I take it you don't share my views? Local are we? Mairy Hinge
  • Score: -11

12:29pm Mon 3 Mar 14

bogtrotter says...

It seems it's been taken as a given that there was racial abuse. It also seems to me that it would've been a little out of character for Mr. Young to have done such a thing. Is it not possible the defending brief said throw that in as only you and your cowardly assocaites were in ear shot and it will add provocation as Mr. Young can't deny it?
It seems it's been taken as a given that there was racial abuse. It also seems to me that it would've been a little out of character for Mr. Young to have done such a thing. Is it not possible the defending brief said throw that in as only you and your cowardly assocaites were in ear shot and it will add provocation as Mr. Young can't deny it? bogtrotter
  • Score: 12

12:31pm Mon 3 Mar 14

stevobath says...

bournemouthforever wrote:
It really seem like a lot of people are playing the blame game which is understandable, but I think we should look at the situation for what it is, im a Bournemouth lad through and through, was born and raised in this town, now growing up I used to cycle on the pavement and as bad as it sounds it was safer than being hit by a car, I lost 3 school mate growing up and that's had to stay with me although cycling on the pavement is a crime its up to the police to catch them in the act and punish them do not sit behind your computers and condemn a young lad for cycling on the pavement. he got into an argument (like many of us have once or twice in our lives) and he walked away from it like many of us would, the action of the friend that came up behind him was not his own action, Victor is sorry that this ever happen which he should be and that is all that we can ask of him and to also reframe from cycling on the pavement from now on, as for many of you on here saying he didn't go back its come to my attention that the full cctv footage does show victor going back seconds after Andrew young was punched the footage may come to light its just a matter of who puts it out first
IF he did go back, the correct & decent thing would've been to WAIT for ambulance & police, if he really wanted to 'distance' himself from a thug & bully, he woud've given details of Gill.

As for the Racist comment? I think it's a feeble excuse at best & maybe outright lies & trying to justify the moron hitting Mr Young. It's all too easy playing the race card when involved in this kind of occurrence.

Also Gill had already shown himself to be violent thug & street robber.
He deserves more than 4 years. Pathetic sentence.
[quote][p][bold]bournemouthforever[/bold] wrote: It really seem like a lot of people are playing the blame game which is understandable, but I think we should look at the situation for what it is, im a Bournemouth lad through and through, was born and raised in this town, now growing up I used to cycle on the pavement and as bad as it sounds it was safer than being hit by a car, I lost 3 school mate growing up and that's had to stay with me although cycling on the pavement is a crime its up to the police to catch them in the act and punish them do not sit behind your computers and condemn a young lad for cycling on the pavement. he got into an argument (like many of us have once or twice in our lives) and he walked away from it like many of us would, the action of the friend that came up behind him was not his own action, Victor is sorry that this ever happen which he should be and that is all that we can ask of him and to also reframe from cycling on the pavement from now on, as for many of you on here saying he didn't go back its come to my attention that the full cctv footage does show victor going back seconds after Andrew young was punched the footage may come to light its just a matter of who puts it out first[/p][/quote]IF he did go back, the correct & decent thing would've been to WAIT for ambulance & police, if he really wanted to 'distance' himself from a thug & bully, he woud've given details of Gill. As for the Racist comment? I think it's a feeble excuse at best & maybe outright lies & trying to justify the moron hitting Mr Young. It's all too easy playing the race card when involved in this kind of occurrence. Also Gill had already shown himself to be violent thug & street robber. He deserves more than 4 years. Pathetic sentence. stevobath
  • Score: 18

12:39pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Dorset Logic says...

I'm not sure that having an advert in front of the CCTV footage is quite right?
I'm not sure that having an advert in front of the CCTV footage is quite right? Dorset Logic
  • Score: 9

12:43pm Mon 3 Mar 14

bmthmark says...

bournemouthforever wrote:
bmthmark wrote:
BournemouthMum wrote:
He has nothing to be sorry about, he did nothing wrong.
You have got to be joking with that comment!
He has everything to be sorry about, he made no attempt to see if the poor man was ok. Just rode off like nothing happened.
once again another individual only reading what he wants to read, I would like to point you to the above article that everyone is reading and not the one in your head

thanks bmthmark
The fact of the matter is he didn't go back to help the poor man, he simply went off with his mates, so yes he should be sorry. For someone to say he shouldn't be sorry is ridiculous.

Thanks bournemouthforever
[quote][p][bold]bournemouthforever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bmthmark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: He has nothing to be sorry about, he did nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]You have got to be joking with that comment! He has everything to be sorry about, he made no attempt to see if the poor man was ok. Just rode off like nothing happened.[/p][/quote]once again another individual only reading what he wants to read, I would like to point you to the above article that everyone is reading and not the one in your head thanks bmthmark[/p][/quote]The fact of the matter is he didn't go back to help the poor man, he simply went off with his mates, so yes he should be sorry. For someone to say he shouldn't be sorry is ridiculous. Thanks bournemouthforever bmthmark
  • Score: 7

12:43pm Mon 3 Mar 14

bournemouthforever says...

we-shall-see wrote:
I like the way he says "I don't want to be associated with someone who took a life" .......... maybe not mate, but YOU are the REASON this act took place. If you had not been riding on the pavement, this incident would not have happened........... such a pity YOU were not prosecuted for leaving the scene - as well as being handed a hefty fine for riding on the pavement.

GET YOUR CYCLE ON THE ROAD WHERE IT BELONGS!!!
Since your the expert under what law would he be prosecuted (and a real law), and police would of need more than just their statements to take it as a plausible statement
[quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: I like the way he says "I don't want to be associated with someone who took a life" .......... maybe not mate, but YOU are the REASON this act took place. If you had not been riding on the pavement, this incident would not have happened........... such a pity YOU were not prosecuted for leaving the scene - as well as being handed a hefty fine for riding on the pavement. GET YOUR CYCLE ON THE ROAD WHERE IT BELONGS!!![/p][/quote]Since your the expert under what law would he be prosecuted (and a real law), and police would of need more than just their statements to take it as a plausible statement bournemouthforever
  • Score: 0

12:56pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Kevin_123 says...

This person had NO right to hit out and punch someone - now they can live with the guilt of knowing they killed someone! This act of violence is awful and it seems to be getting worse in Bournemouth!
This person had NO right to hit out and punch someone - now they can live with the guilt of knowing they killed someone! This act of violence is awful and it seems to be getting worse in Bournemouth! Kevin_123
  • Score: 15

12:56pm Mon 3 Mar 14

bournemouthforever says...

bogtrotter wrote:
It seems it's been taken as a given that there was racial abuse. It also seems to me that it would've been a little out of character for Mr. Young to have done such a thing. Is it not possible the defending brief said throw that in as only you and your cowardly assocaites were in ear shot and it will add provocation as Mr. Young can't deny it?
what makes him a coward, I understand you may thing hes a coward because he had an argument with someone who turned out to be a sufferer of aspergers, there are no visible signs for an aspergers sufferer so you cant tell theses things and it seems that although you believe that lewis gill and victor ibitoye were the only ones to give a statement on the events one of them manage to mention that Andrew young said it was dangerous to cycle on the pavement and didn't try and save themselves from scrutiny by saying Andrew young started the argument with a racial comment to get the ball rolling no one but victor could have told anyone that Andrew young told him that cycling on the pavement was dangerous so what does it say about the rest of his statement, everyone is jumping on his back because of the cycling on the pavement but how many of you would of noticed it if the reports didn't mention that this was what the argument was about
[quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: It seems it's been taken as a given that there was racial abuse. It also seems to me that it would've been a little out of character for Mr. Young to have done such a thing. Is it not possible the defending brief said throw that in as only you and your cowardly assocaites were in ear shot and it will add provocation as Mr. Young can't deny it?[/p][/quote]what makes him a coward, I understand you may thing hes a coward because he had an argument with someone who turned out to be a sufferer of aspergers, there are no visible signs for an aspergers sufferer so you cant tell theses things and it seems that although you believe that lewis gill and victor ibitoye were the only ones to give a statement on the events one of them manage to mention that Andrew young said it was dangerous to cycle on the pavement and didn't try and save themselves from scrutiny by saying Andrew young started the argument with a racial comment to get the ball rolling no one but victor could have told anyone that Andrew young told him that cycling on the pavement was dangerous so what does it say about the rest of his statement, everyone is jumping on his back because of the cycling on the pavement but how many of you would of noticed it if the reports didn't mention that this was what the argument was about bournemouthforever
  • Score: -1

1:28pm Mon 3 Mar 14

ASM says...

so sad, really heart breaking to see the cctv. I agree with BournemouhMum. He assumed the guy was OK and didn't leave until he knew the ambulance was on the way.
4 years is a joke sentence for the thug who punched him. He should be locked up for a minimum of ten years and is clearly a danger to the public, if he punches a harmless handicapped bloke when he is not looking, without any reason or remorse afterwards, who knows what he is capable of in another confrontational situation? he will do it again.is my bet.
so sad, really heart breaking to see the cctv. I agree with BournemouhMum. He assumed the guy was OK and didn't leave until he knew the ambulance was on the way. 4 years is a joke sentence for the thug who punched him. He should be locked up for a minimum of ten years and is clearly a danger to the public, if he punches a harmless handicapped bloke when he is not looking, without any reason or remorse afterwards, who knows what he is capable of in another confrontational situation? he will do it again.is my bet. ASM
  • Score: 9

1:33pm Mon 3 Mar 14

bogtrotter says...

bournemouthforever wrote:
bogtrotter wrote: It seems it's been taken as a given that there was racial abuse. It also seems to me that it would've been a little out of character for Mr. Young to have done such a thing. Is it not possible the defending brief said throw that in as only you and your cowardly assocaites were in ear shot and it will add provocation as Mr. Young can't deny it?
what makes him a coward, I understand you may thing hes a coward because he had an argument with someone who turned out to be a sufferer of aspergers, there are no visible signs for an aspergers sufferer so you cant tell theses things and it seems that although you believe that lewis gill and victor ibitoye were the only ones to give a statement on the events one of them manage to mention that Andrew young said it was dangerous to cycle on the pavement and didn't try and save themselves from scrutiny by saying Andrew young started the argument with a racial comment to get the ball rolling no one but victor could have told anyone that Andrew young told him that cycling on the pavement was dangerous so what does it say about the rest of his statement, everyone is jumping on his back because of the cycling on the pavement but how many of you would of noticed it if the reports didn't mention that this was what the argument was about
Not sure I understand you, that's the longest sentence in history, quite unlike the one Mr Gill got.
All I was trying to say is that the punch is said to have stemmed from an 'alleged' racist remark, I find it hard to believe that Mr Young would've said something along those lines. It's an easy card for the defending brief to play which has obviously assisted with the farcical sentence the MURDERER has received. My cowardly remark is fairly justified I believe, leaving the scene because he saw him breathing? Really? He's lying spark out in a busy road! Hardly safe is and the irony of the comment about getting on his bike and going away sums it up.
[quote][p][bold]bournemouthforever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: It seems it's been taken as a given that there was racial abuse. It also seems to me that it would've been a little out of character for Mr. Young to have done such a thing. Is it not possible the defending brief said throw that in as only you and your cowardly assocaites were in ear shot and it will add provocation as Mr. Young can't deny it?[/p][/quote]what makes him a coward, I understand you may thing hes a coward because he had an argument with someone who turned out to be a sufferer of aspergers, there are no visible signs for an aspergers sufferer so you cant tell theses things and it seems that although you believe that lewis gill and victor ibitoye were the only ones to give a statement on the events one of them manage to mention that Andrew young said it was dangerous to cycle on the pavement and didn't try and save themselves from scrutiny by saying Andrew young started the argument with a racial comment to get the ball rolling no one but victor could have told anyone that Andrew young told him that cycling on the pavement was dangerous so what does it say about the rest of his statement, everyone is jumping on his back because of the cycling on the pavement but how many of you would of noticed it if the reports didn't mention that this was what the argument was about[/p][/quote]Not sure I understand you, that's the longest sentence in history, quite unlike the one Mr Gill got. All I was trying to say is that the punch is said to have stemmed from an 'alleged' racist remark, I find it hard to believe that Mr Young would've said something along those lines. It's an easy card for the defending brief to play which has obviously assisted with the farcical sentence the MURDERER has received. My cowardly remark is fairly justified I believe, leaving the scene because he saw him breathing? Really? He's lying spark out in a busy road! Hardly safe is and the irony of the comment about getting on his bike and going away sums it up. bogtrotter
  • Score: 11

1:44pm Mon 3 Mar 14

nosuchluck54 says...

Mairy Hinge wrote:
nosuchluck54 wrote:
Mairy Hinge wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
Mairy Hinge wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.
I agree he should have walked on and reported the racist comment.
The thing is no one will ever know if a racial comment was said as Mr Young is not here to tell his side of the story. The word of a murderer and previous offender as well as that of his mates should have been taken with a pinch of salt.
Swept under the carpet? There's no talk of the comment on here only that it's not true, why is that? Absolutely no doubts in their minds, not a chance!!! Really? It's laughable the closet bigots that post on here
New kid on the block? Old one with a new username more like,with a lot to say !
Yes I have got a lot to say about the subject!! You however are just talking about me. I take it you don't share my views? Local are we?
Yes I am local and proud of it and welcome to the home of trolls
[quote][p][bold]Mairy Hinge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nosuchluck54[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mairy Hinge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mairy Hinge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.[/p][/quote]I agree he should have walked on and reported the racist comment.[/p][/quote]The thing is no one will ever know if a racial comment was said as Mr Young is not here to tell his side of the story. The word of a murderer and previous offender as well as that of his mates should have been taken with a pinch of salt.[/p][/quote]Swept under the carpet? There's no talk of the comment on here only that it's not true, why is that? Absolutely no doubts in their minds, not a chance!!! Really? It's laughable the closet bigots that post on here[/p][/quote]New kid on the block? Old one with a new username more like,with a lot to say ![/p][/quote]Yes I have got a lot to say about the subject!! You however are just talking about me. I take it you don't share my views? Local are we?[/p][/quote]Yes I am local and proud of it and welcome to the home of trolls nosuchluck54
  • Score: 3

1:49pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Dont drop litter says...

ASM wrote:
so sad, really heart breaking to see the cctv. I agree with BournemouhMum. He assumed the guy was OK and didn't leave until he knew the ambulance was on the way.
4 years is a joke sentence for the thug who punched him. He should be locked up for a minimum of ten years and is clearly a danger to the public, if he punches a harmless handicapped bloke when he is not looking, without any reason or remorse afterwards, who knows what he is capable of in another confrontational situation? he will do it again.is my bet.
Let's not forget that the use of racist language is an allegation. That means it may not have happened and there is no real proof. Regardless of whether it happened or not is the level of violence used proportional to the offence? What about cycling on the pavement? is that worthy of punching someone? I don't think so.
The chances are that this bloke would have assaulted someone else in the future - who knows?
[quote][p][bold]ASM[/bold] wrote: so sad, really heart breaking to see the cctv. I agree with BournemouhMum. He assumed the guy was OK and didn't leave until he knew the ambulance was on the way. 4 years is a joke sentence for the thug who punched him. He should be locked up for a minimum of ten years and is clearly a danger to the public, if he punches a harmless handicapped bloke when he is not looking, without any reason or remorse afterwards, who knows what he is capable of in another confrontational situation? he will do it again.is my bet.[/p][/quote]Let's not forget that the use of racist language is an allegation. That means it may not have happened and there is no real proof. Regardless of whether it happened or not is the level of violence used proportional to the offence? What about cycling on the pavement? is that worthy of punching someone? I don't think so. The chances are that this bloke would have assaulted someone else in the future - who knows? Dont drop litter
  • Score: 18

1:51pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Well done to Victor Ibitoye for making the apology, he certainly did not have to and what is clear from the video and his article is he did stop and check on Mr Young until the ambulance was called, so the various comments about him going off and leaving Mr Young are wrong. This unfortunate incident which led to My Young's death should be a lesson to everyone about not lashing out regardless of provocation, it probably wasn't the punch that killed him but more likely the way he banged his head when he fell from the punch and this could so easily happen to anyone. However the 4 year sentence is a travesty of justice and I really fail to see what the judge was thinking when he passed such a low sentence for a crime that was so blatantly deliberate as can be seen in the CCTV footage, I sincerely hope the attorney general will not only apply a more appropriate sentence but will also look very carefully at the capabilities of the judge who sentenced him.
Well done to Victor Ibitoye for making the apology, he certainly did not have to and what is clear from the video and his article is he did stop and check on Mr Young until the ambulance was called, so the various comments about him going off and leaving Mr Young are wrong. This unfortunate incident which led to My Young's death should be a lesson to everyone about not lashing out regardless of provocation, it probably wasn't the punch that killed him but more likely the way he banged his head when he fell from the punch and this could so easily happen to anyone. However the 4 year sentence is a travesty of justice and I really fail to see what the judge was thinking when he passed such a low sentence for a crime that was so blatantly deliberate as can be seen in the CCTV footage, I sincerely hope the attorney general will not only apply a more appropriate sentence but will also look very carefully at the capabilities of the judge who sentenced him. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 12

2:08pm Mon 3 Mar 14

bournemouthforever says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Well done to Victor Ibitoye for making the apology, he certainly did not have to and what is clear from the video and his article is he did stop and check on Mr Young until the ambulance was called, so the various comments about him going off and leaving Mr Young are wrong. This unfortunate incident which led to My Young's death should be a lesson to everyone about not lashing out regardless of provocation, it probably wasn't the punch that killed him but more likely the way he banged his head when he fell from the punch and this could so easily happen to anyone. However the 4 year sentence is a travesty of justice and I really fail to see what the judge was thinking when he passed such a low sentence for a crime that was so blatantly deliberate as can be seen in the CCTV footage, I sincerely hope the attorney general will not only apply a more appropriate sentence but will also look very carefully at the capabilities of the judge who sentenced him.
most amount of sense i've heard today
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: Well done to Victor Ibitoye for making the apology, he certainly did not have to and what is clear from the video and his article is he did stop and check on Mr Young until the ambulance was called, so the various comments about him going off and leaving Mr Young are wrong. This unfortunate incident which led to My Young's death should be a lesson to everyone about not lashing out regardless of provocation, it probably wasn't the punch that killed him but more likely the way he banged his head when he fell from the punch and this could so easily happen to anyone. However the 4 year sentence is a travesty of justice and I really fail to see what the judge was thinking when he passed such a low sentence for a crime that was so blatantly deliberate as can be seen in the CCTV footage, I sincerely hope the attorney general will not only apply a more appropriate sentence but will also look very carefully at the capabilities of the judge who sentenced him.[/p][/quote]most amount of sense i've heard today bournemouthforever
  • Score: 5

2:17pm Mon 3 Mar 14

ranger_bob says...

Mairy Hinge wrote:
nosuchluck54 wrote:
Mairy Hinge wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
Mairy Hinge wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.
I agree he should have walked on and reported the racist comment.
The thing is no one will ever know if a racial comment was said as Mr Young is not here to tell his side of the story. The word of a murderer and previous offender as well as that of his mates should have been taken with a pinch of salt.
Swept under the carpet? There's no talk of the comment on here only that it's not true, why is that? Absolutely no doubts in their minds, not a chance!!! Really? It's laughable the closet bigots that post on here
New kid on the block? Old one with a new username more like,with a lot to say !
Yes I have got a lot to say about the subject!! You however are just talking about me. I take it you don't share my views? Local are we?
Isn't it racist of you to imply that all locals are racist? Or just hypocritical? I don't care if every racial slur under the sun was used it does not justify the outcome of this terrible incident.

Let's not lose sight of the fact that a man died.
[quote][p][bold]Mairy Hinge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nosuchluck54[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mairy Hinge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mairy Hinge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.[/p][/quote]I agree he should have walked on and reported the racist comment.[/p][/quote]The thing is no one will ever know if a racial comment was said as Mr Young is not here to tell his side of the story. The word of a murderer and previous offender as well as that of his mates should have been taken with a pinch of salt.[/p][/quote]Swept under the carpet? There's no talk of the comment on here only that it's not true, why is that? Absolutely no doubts in their minds, not a chance!!! Really? It's laughable the closet bigots that post on here[/p][/quote]New kid on the block? Old one with a new username more like,with a lot to say ![/p][/quote]Yes I have got a lot to say about the subject!! You however are just talking about me. I take it you don't share my views? Local are we?[/p][/quote]Isn't it racist of you to imply that all locals are racist? Or just hypocritical? I don't care if every racial slur under the sun was used it does not justify the outcome of this terrible incident. Let's not lose sight of the fact that a man died. ranger_bob
  • Score: 11

2:33pm Mon 3 Mar 14

CombinationOfCharacters says...

Yeah it's pretty obvious at the end of the clip that he didn't just ride off and leave him. Maybe he should also consider his choice of girlfriend though as she seemed in quite the hurry to leave!
Yeah it's pretty obvious at the end of the clip that he didn't just ride off and leave him. Maybe he should also consider his choice of girlfriend though as she seemed in quite the hurry to leave! CombinationOfCharacters
  • Score: 4

2:37pm Mon 3 Mar 14

bournemouthforever says...

ranger_bob wrote:
Mairy Hinge wrote:
nosuchluck54 wrote:
Mairy Hinge wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
Mairy Hinge wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.
I agree he should have walked on and reported the racist comment.
The thing is no one will ever know if a racial comment was said as Mr Young is not here to tell his side of the story. The word of a murderer and previous offender as well as that of his mates should have been taken with a pinch of salt.
Swept under the carpet? There's no talk of the comment on here only that it's not true, why is that? Absolutely no doubts in their minds, not a chance!!! Really? It's laughable the closet bigots that post on here
New kid on the block? Old one with a new username more like,with a lot to say !
Yes I have got a lot to say about the subject!! You however are just talking about me. I take it you don't share my views? Local are we?
Isn't it racist of you to imply that all locals are racist? Or just hypocritical? I don't care if every racial slur under the sun was used it does not justify the outcome of this terrible incident.

Let's not lose sight of the fact that a man died.
very true mr ranger_bob
[quote][p][bold]ranger_bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mairy Hinge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nosuchluck54[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mairy Hinge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mairy Hinge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.[/p][/quote]I agree he should have walked on and reported the racist comment.[/p][/quote]The thing is no one will ever know if a racial comment was said as Mr Young is not here to tell his side of the story. The word of a murderer and previous offender as well as that of his mates should have been taken with a pinch of salt.[/p][/quote]Swept under the carpet? There's no talk of the comment on here only that it's not true, why is that? Absolutely no doubts in their minds, not a chance!!! Really? It's laughable the closet bigots that post on here[/p][/quote]New kid on the block? Old one with a new username more like,with a lot to say ![/p][/quote]Yes I have got a lot to say about the subject!! You however are just talking about me. I take it you don't share my views? Local are we?[/p][/quote]Isn't it racist of you to imply that all locals are racist? Or just hypocritical? I don't care if every racial slur under the sun was used it does not justify the outcome of this terrible incident. Let's not lose sight of the fact that a man died.[/p][/quote]very true mr ranger_bob bournemouthforever
  • Score: 3

4:24pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Hawkstone says...

bournemouthforever wrote:
Hawkstone wrote:
BournemouthMum wrote:
He has nothing to be sorry about, he did nothing wrong.
Umm.....cycled away from a man lying in the road who was obviously injured. Some compassion he had!!!!!!
Well the cctv doesn't show him going back which isn't good, does that then mean that it never happened, its funny how it cuts just after he stops again.....hmmm further more the article says "he spoke to a gentleman that was by Mr young and asked him if he was ok" don't think he could of done that if ran off, if your going to base your judgement's of someone from an article read it to its entirety then comment on his compassion
The man wasn't moving and lying on his back. I don't consider that ok in anyone's books personally. The man died of his major head injury. I sincerely hope you are never in that situation. Calling an ambulance alone would have been slightly more compassionate.
[quote][p][bold]bournemouthforever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hawkstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: He has nothing to be sorry about, he did nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]Umm.....cycled away from a man lying in the road who was obviously injured. Some compassion he had!!!!!![/p][/quote]Well the cctv doesn't show him going back which isn't good, does that then mean that it never happened, its funny how it cuts just after he stops again.....hmmm further more the article says "he spoke to a gentleman that was by Mr young and asked him if he was ok" don't think he could of done that if ran off, if your going to base your judgement's of someone from an article read it to its entirety then comment on his compassion[/p][/quote]The man wasn't moving and lying on his back. I don't consider that ok in anyone's books personally. The man died of his major head injury. I sincerely hope you are never in that situation. Calling an ambulance alone would have been slightly more compassionate. Hawkstone
  • Score: 10

4:56pm Mon 3 Mar 14

rudestickers says...

Maybe s&&t like this happens everyday in London, but I for one don't want the streets of bournemouth getting the same. How callous to just walk away! Disgusting cowards. Up the sentence, it is obvious that Mr Young wouldn't be able to defend himself. The video is shocking to say the least.
Maybe s&&t like this happens everyday in London, but I for one don't want the streets of bournemouth getting the same. How callous to just walk away! Disgusting cowards. Up the sentence, it is obvious that Mr Young wouldn't be able to defend himself. The video is shocking to say the least. rudestickers
  • Score: 8

5:48pm Mon 3 Mar 14

chrisii1991 says...

Cycling on the pavement is dangerous and illegal. but being racist isnt going to make matters any better
Cycling on the pavement is dangerous and illegal. but being racist isnt going to make matters any better chrisii1991
  • Score: -8

6:22pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Puj says...

Gills sentence is a total farce. The footage shows that he is ready to follow up with a second punch if Mr Young attempted to get up.......... that alone should add a few more years to the sentence IMO
Gills sentence is a total farce. The footage shows that he is ready to follow up with a second punch if Mr Young attempted to get up.......... that alone should add a few more years to the sentence IMO Puj
  • Score: 11

6:32pm Mon 3 Mar 14

agp1337 says...

Sorry is cheap. We all have done things we are sorry for, and the apology is sufficient, but this actually involved a death. Sorry is NOT enough: there must be a lengthy sentence.
Sorry is cheap. We all have done things we are sorry for, and the apology is sufficient, but this actually involved a death. Sorry is NOT enough: there must be a lengthy sentence. agp1337
  • Score: 8

7:12pm Mon 3 Mar 14

bournemouthforever says...

agp1337 wrote:
Sorry is cheap. We all have done things we are sorry for, and the apology is sufficient, but this actually involved a death. Sorry is NOT enough: there must be a lengthy sentence.
this boy is sorry it happened, he cant make the sentence longer so just let the lad be we've all had arguments, this boys argument ended when he walked away but a death still occurred which he has to live with for the rest of his life. He is a student trying to do something with himself surrounded by like minded people doing the same. his choice of friends both the girl and lewis was his only downfall. but we can never know what our friends are really capable of until they show us, until that day we are all in the dark.

GUITY BY HIS ASSOCIATION, INNOCENT IN HIS INVOLVMENT believe it or not that is the truth
[quote][p][bold]agp1337[/bold] wrote: Sorry is cheap. We all have done things we are sorry for, and the apology is sufficient, but this actually involved a death. Sorry is NOT enough: there must be a lengthy sentence.[/p][/quote]this boy is sorry it happened, he cant make the sentence longer so just let the lad be we've all had arguments, this boys argument ended when he walked away but a death still occurred which he has to live with for the rest of his life. He is a student trying to do something with himself surrounded by like minded people doing the same. his choice of friends both the girl and lewis was his only downfall. but we can never know what our friends are really capable of until they show us, until that day we are all in the dark. GUITY BY HIS ASSOCIATION, INNOCENT IN HIS INVOLVMENT believe it or not that is the truth bournemouthforever
  • Score: 2

7:30pm Mon 3 Mar 14

elfinia says...

Andrew Young served me a couple of times in ASDA. It was clear to me that he was a vulnerable person. He put himself in a position of danger without realising, especially if he really did make a silly comment. It is so utterly tragic that he died. Gill gave him a massive punch so he hit the ground with force and had no chance of saving himself.
Andrew Young served me a couple of times in ASDA. It was clear to me that he was a vulnerable person. He put himself in a position of danger without realising, especially if he really did make a silly comment. It is so utterly tragic that he died. Gill gave him a massive punch so he hit the ground with force and had no chance of saving himself. elfinia
  • Score: 7

8:16pm Mon 3 Mar 14

rozmister says...

bournemouthforever wrote:
bogtrotter wrote:
It seems it's been taken as a given that there was racial abuse. It also seems to me that it would've been a little out of character for Mr. Young to have done such a thing. Is it not possible the defending brief said throw that in as only you and your cowardly assocaites were in ear shot and it will add provocation as Mr. Young can't deny it?
what makes him a coward, I understand you may thing hes a coward because he had an argument with someone who turned out to be a sufferer of aspergers, there are no visible signs for an aspergers sufferer so you cant tell theses things and it seems that although you believe that lewis gill and victor ibitoye were the only ones to give a statement on the events one of them manage to mention that Andrew young said it was dangerous to cycle on the pavement and didn't try and save themselves from scrutiny by saying Andrew young started the argument with a racial comment to get the ball rolling no one but victor could have told anyone that Andrew young told him that cycling on the pavement was dangerous so what does it say about the rest of his statement, everyone is jumping on his back because of the cycling on the pavement but how many of you would of noticed it if the reports didn't mention that this was what the argument was about
I served Andrew Young for years regularly in a shop I worked in in Bournemouth. It was very clear that he was harmless and vulnerable and perhaps had a mild learning disability, I could tell from our interactions which were brief. Whether someone has a 'visible' sign of disability (what does that even mean? a wheelchair? how do you visibly see a learning disability) or not arguing with strangers in the street or battering them as lewis gill did is not acceptable. It's cowardly to conduct yourself in an aggressive manner and even more so if it's focused towards someone who is clearly vulnerable and harmless.

On top of that failing to call an ambulance is the lowest of low. I'd call an ambulance for someone whose injury was nothing to do with me let alone someone who is out cold on the floor because of my friend.

Victor Ibitoye is a coward for watching his friend punch and kill a man and walking away after asking if he was ok (which he clearly wasn't from the CCTV) rather than staying and calling an ambulance and trying to help him. I guess it was easier to cycle away and carry on with his day than to look into the face of the person his friend had murdered.
[quote][p][bold]bournemouthforever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: It seems it's been taken as a given that there was racial abuse. It also seems to me that it would've been a little out of character for Mr. Young to have done such a thing. Is it not possible the defending brief said throw that in as only you and your cowardly assocaites were in ear shot and it will add provocation as Mr. Young can't deny it?[/p][/quote]what makes him a coward, I understand you may thing hes a coward because he had an argument with someone who turned out to be a sufferer of aspergers, there are no visible signs for an aspergers sufferer so you cant tell theses things and it seems that although you believe that lewis gill and victor ibitoye were the only ones to give a statement on the events one of them manage to mention that Andrew young said it was dangerous to cycle on the pavement and didn't try and save themselves from scrutiny by saying Andrew young started the argument with a racial comment to get the ball rolling no one but victor could have told anyone that Andrew young told him that cycling on the pavement was dangerous so what does it say about the rest of his statement, everyone is jumping on his back because of the cycling on the pavement but how many of you would of noticed it if the reports didn't mention that this was what the argument was about[/p][/quote]I served Andrew Young for years regularly in a shop I worked in in Bournemouth. It was very clear that he was harmless and vulnerable and perhaps had a mild learning disability, I could tell from our interactions which were brief. Whether someone has a 'visible' sign of disability (what does that even mean? a wheelchair? how do you visibly see a learning disability) or not arguing with strangers in the street or battering them as lewis gill did is not acceptable. It's cowardly to conduct yourself in an aggressive manner and even more so if it's focused towards someone who is clearly vulnerable and harmless. On top of that failing to call an ambulance is the lowest of low. I'd call an ambulance for someone whose injury was nothing to do with me let alone someone who is out cold on the floor because of my friend. Victor Ibitoye is a coward for watching his friend punch and kill a man and walking away after asking if he was ok (which he clearly wasn't from the CCTV) rather than staying and calling an ambulance and trying to help him. I guess it was easier to cycle away and carry on with his day than to look into the face of the person his friend had murdered. rozmister
  • Score: 6

8:22pm Mon 3 Mar 14

FNS-man says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Well done to Victor Ibitoye for making the apology, he certainly did not have to and what is clear from the video and his article is he did stop and check on Mr Young until the ambulance was called, so the various comments about him going off and leaving Mr Young are wrong. This unfortunate incident which led to My Young's death should be a lesson to everyone about not lashing out regardless of provocation, it probably wasn't the punch that killed him but more likely the way he banged his head when he fell from the punch and this could so easily happen to anyone. However the 4 year sentence is a travesty of justice and I really fail to see what the judge was thinking when he passed such a low sentence for a crime that was so blatantly deliberate as can be seen in the CCTV footage, I sincerely hope the attorney general will not only apply a more appropriate sentence but will also look very carefully at the capabilities of the judge who sentenced him.
Wow a sensible comment in this thread. And from Marty Caine UKIP. What were the chances? Well done.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: Well done to Victor Ibitoye for making the apology, he certainly did not have to and what is clear from the video and his article is he did stop and check on Mr Young until the ambulance was called, so the various comments about him going off and leaving Mr Young are wrong. This unfortunate incident which led to My Young's death should be a lesson to everyone about not lashing out regardless of provocation, it probably wasn't the punch that killed him but more likely the way he banged his head when he fell from the punch and this could so easily happen to anyone. However the 4 year sentence is a travesty of justice and I really fail to see what the judge was thinking when he passed such a low sentence for a crime that was so blatantly deliberate as can be seen in the CCTV footage, I sincerely hope the attorney general will not only apply a more appropriate sentence but will also look very carefully at the capabilities of the judge who sentenced him.[/p][/quote]Wow a sensible comment in this thread. And from Marty Caine UKIP. What were the chances? Well done. FNS-man
  • Score: 1

8:35pm Mon 3 Mar 14

O'Reilly says...

BournemouthMum wrote:
He has nothing to be sorry about, he did nothing wrong.
Yes he did ...he rode on the pavement which caused the whole incident ending in a mans death.
[quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: He has nothing to be sorry about, he did nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]Yes he did ...he rode on the pavement which caused the whole incident ending in a mans death. O'Reilly
  • Score: 6

8:41pm Mon 3 Mar 14

O'Reilly says...

O'Reilly wrote:
BournemouthMum wrote:
He has nothing to be sorry about, he did nothing wrong.
Yes he did ...he rode on the pavement which caused the whole incident ending in a mans death.
I would further add that the pavement is very narrow due to the shopkeepers produce on display - see picture - and I would be p*ss*d off if a cyclist made me walk into the road....
[quote][p][bold]O'Reilly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: He has nothing to be sorry about, he did nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]Yes he did ...he rode on the pavement which caused the whole incident ending in a mans death.[/p][/quote]I would further add that the pavement is very narrow due to the shopkeepers produce on display - see picture - and I would be p*ss*d off if a cyclist made me walk into the road.... O'Reilly
  • Score: 7

8:41pm Mon 3 Mar 14

rdemeath says...

A person can accuse another of using a 'racist' comment, especially where there are no witnesses to say anything to the contrary.
As we all know, one cannot slander the dead!
A person can accuse another of using a 'racist' comment, especially where there are no witnesses to say anything to the contrary. As we all know, one cannot slander the dead! rdemeath
  • Score: 6

8:43pm Mon 3 Mar 14

rdemeath says...

BournemouthMum wrote:
He has nothing to be sorry about, he did nothing wrong.
Have you no shame, or are you the killers mother?
[quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: He has nothing to be sorry about, he did nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]Have you no shame, or are you the killers mother? rdemeath
  • Score: 3

9:25pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

we-shall-see wrote:
I like the way he says "I don't want to be associated with someone who took a life" .......... maybe not mate, but YOU are the REASON this act took place. If you had not been riding on the pavement, this incident would not have happened........... such a pity YOU were not prosecuted for leaving the scene - as well as being handed a hefty fine for riding on the pavement.

GET YOUR CYCLE ON THE ROAD WHERE IT BELONGS!!!
Not illegal to ride on the pavement, check your facts........
[quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: I like the way he says "I don't want to be associated with someone who took a life" .......... maybe not mate, but YOU are the REASON this act took place. If you had not been riding on the pavement, this incident would not have happened........... such a pity YOU were not prosecuted for leaving the scene - as well as being handed a hefty fine for riding on the pavement. GET YOUR CYCLE ON THE ROAD WHERE IT BELONGS!!![/p][/quote]Not illegal to ride on the pavement, check your facts........ Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 2

11:22pm Mon 3 Mar 14

h97whhl says...

curryandstella wrote:
Very sad case. Cyclists who cycle on the pavements are a nuisance and it is dangerous, my mother in law was hit by a cyclist and she needed 17 stitches in her face. As for MORO99, If you think that punching someone and killing them for saying a racial comment you too are a problem. Gill should get 20 years minimum.
In this case Mr. Ibitoye was accompanying his girlfriend who was on foot. Cycling at the speed of a pedestrian does not cause harm and as mentioned above the pavement is narrow and congested where the incident occurred - he was actually taking up less space by riding his bike (slowly) than pushing it. It's a shame that this tragic story has sparked a negative reaction to cyclists who would generally chose to use a cycle path or the road if it was safe and convenient to do so. Unfortunately our lack of decent cycling infrastructure means that some cyclists use the pavement and a small minority of these cyclists aren't considerate and travel too fast.

However it was the victim's racist comment rather than the cycling argument that ultimately sparked Gill's violent reaction. I agree with Mr. Ibitoye that the judicial system should be trusted t o make the appropriate sentence based on all the evidence, statements, witnesses etc - they have more information than we do.
[quote][p][bold]curryandstella[/bold] wrote: Very sad case. Cyclists who cycle on the pavements are a nuisance and it is dangerous, my mother in law was hit by a cyclist and she needed 17 stitches in her face. As for MORO99, If you think that punching someone and killing them for saying a racial comment you too are a problem. Gill should get 20 years minimum.[/p][/quote]In this case Mr. Ibitoye was accompanying his girlfriend who was on foot. Cycling at the speed of a pedestrian does not cause harm and as mentioned above the pavement is narrow and congested where the incident occurred - he was actually taking up less space by riding his bike (slowly) than pushing it. It's a shame that this tragic story has sparked a negative reaction to cyclists who would generally chose to use a cycle path or the road if it was safe and convenient to do so. Unfortunately our lack of decent cycling infrastructure means that some cyclists use the pavement and a small minority of these cyclists aren't considerate and travel too fast. However it was the victim's racist comment rather than the cycling argument that ultimately sparked Gill's violent reaction. I agree with Mr. Ibitoye that the judicial system should be trusted t o make the appropriate sentence based on all the evidence, statements, witnesses etc - they have more information than we do. h97whhl
  • Score: -2

11:44pm Mon 3 Mar 14

themindboggles says...

Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never heart me. I wish we could return to more traditional commonsense that we had before this P.C world turned up. Your not allowed to call people fat, you can't say a dinner lady is a women's job.
We can see by the ridiculous people on here defending a murderer over an alleged racist comment.
Well boo hoo to him, he needs to grow up, this country needs to end this ridiculous P.C cult it is has gone too far.
Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never heart me. I wish we could return to more traditional commonsense that we had before this P.C world turned up. Your not allowed to call people fat, you can't say a dinner lady is a women's job. We can see by the ridiculous people on here defending a murderer over an alleged racist comment. Well boo hoo to him, he needs to grow up, this country needs to end this ridiculous P.C cult it is has gone too far. themindboggles
  • Score: 6

7:31am Tue 4 Mar 14

dommyball says...

Fact 1 - youth rides on pavement
Fact 2 - words are said no proof of what
Fact 3 - man is brutally assaulted
Fact 4 - youth and pals leave quickly before ambulance or police arrive
Fact 5 - man dies
Fact 6 - thug gets let off lightly and blames racist comment for his actions
Fact 7 - thugs mate denies he has done anything wrong
Fact 1 - youth rides on pavement Fact 2 - words are said no proof of what Fact 3 - man is brutally assaulted Fact 4 - youth and pals leave quickly before ambulance or police arrive Fact 5 - man dies Fact 6 - thug gets let off lightly and blames racist comment for his actions Fact 7 - thugs mate denies he has done anything wrong dommyball
  • Score: 3

9:18am Tue 4 Mar 14

Franks Tank says...

dommyball wrote:
Fact 1 - youth rides on pavement
Fact 2 - words are said no proof of what
Fact 3 - man is brutally assaulted
Fact 4 - youth and pals leave quickly before ambulance or police arrive
Fact 5 - man dies
Fact 6 - thug gets let off lightly and blames racist comment for his actions
Fact 7 - thugs mate denies he has done anything wrong
Fact 1- "youth"?? Mr Ibitoye is 21. Hardly a "youth".
[quote][p][bold]dommyball[/bold] wrote: Fact 1 - youth rides on pavement Fact 2 - words are said no proof of what Fact 3 - man is brutally assaulted Fact 4 - youth and pals leave quickly before ambulance or police arrive Fact 5 - man dies Fact 6 - thug gets let off lightly and blames racist comment for his actions Fact 7 - thugs mate denies he has done anything wrong[/p][/quote]Fact 1- "youth"?? Mr Ibitoye is 21. Hardly a "youth". Franks Tank
  • Score: 4

12:45pm Tue 4 Mar 14

bogtrotter says...

h97whhl wrote:
curryandstella wrote: Very sad case. Cyclists who cycle on the pavements are a nuisance and it is dangerous, my mother in law was hit by a cyclist and she needed 17 stitches in her face. As for MORO99, If you think that punching someone and killing them for saying a racial comment you too are a problem. Gill should get 20 years minimum.
In this case Mr. Ibitoye was accompanying his girlfriend who was on foot. Cycling at the speed of a pedestrian does not cause harm and as mentioned above the pavement is narrow and congested where the incident occurred - he was actually taking up less space by riding his bike (slowly) than pushing it. It's a shame that this tragic story has sparked a negative reaction to cyclists who would generally chose to use a cycle path or the road if it was safe and convenient to do so. Unfortunately our lack of decent cycling infrastructure means that some cyclists use the pavement and a small minority of these cyclists aren't considerate and travel too fast. However it was the victim's racist comment rather than the cycling argument that ultimately sparked Gill's violent reaction. I agree with Mr. Ibitoye that the judicial system should be trusted t o make the appropriate sentence based on all the evidence, statements, witnesses etc - they have more information than we do.
So you know for a fact that a racist comment was made? Also, does what is deemed a personal insult require a punch with as much force as you can possibly throw? So bored of racism being used an excuse.
[quote][p][bold]h97whhl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]curryandstella[/bold] wrote: Very sad case. Cyclists who cycle on the pavements are a nuisance and it is dangerous, my mother in law was hit by a cyclist and she needed 17 stitches in her face. As for MORO99, If you think that punching someone and killing them for saying a racial comment you too are a problem. Gill should get 20 years minimum.[/p][/quote]In this case Mr. Ibitoye was accompanying his girlfriend who was on foot. Cycling at the speed of a pedestrian does not cause harm and as mentioned above the pavement is narrow and congested where the incident occurred - he was actually taking up less space by riding his bike (slowly) than pushing it. It's a shame that this tragic story has sparked a negative reaction to cyclists who would generally chose to use a cycle path or the road if it was safe and convenient to do so. Unfortunately our lack of decent cycling infrastructure means that some cyclists use the pavement and a small minority of these cyclists aren't considerate and travel too fast. However it was the victim's racist comment rather than the cycling argument that ultimately sparked Gill's violent reaction. I agree with Mr. Ibitoye that the judicial system should be trusted t o make the appropriate sentence based on all the evidence, statements, witnesses etc - they have more information than we do.[/p][/quote]So you know for a fact that a racist comment was made? Also, does what is deemed a personal insult require a punch with as much force as you can possibly throw? So bored of racism being used an excuse. bogtrotter
  • Score: 2

12:59pm Tue 4 Mar 14

stevobath says...

bournemouthforever wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Two wrongs do not make a right. The deceased should not racially abuse someone just because they or an associate are illegally cycling on a pavement, and the guilty party should not have violently assaulted the deceased. A damning incitement of modern society when a couple of completely avoidable circumstances result in a fatality.
was there racial abuse i and many doubt it just another racial excuse for murder
if it wasn't racial abuse what stop victor from cycling of with that girl to turn around so abruptly because I wasn't there and neither where you, but I dont think he said "stop and turn around and look at me abruptly"
Could you at least try &comment in a manner that people can understand?

Your comment makes little sense?
[quote][p][bold]bournemouthforever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Two wrongs do not make a right. The deceased should not racially abuse someone just because they or an associate are illegally cycling on a pavement, and the guilty party should not have violently assaulted the deceased. A damning incitement of modern society when a couple of completely avoidable circumstances result in a fatality.[/p][/quote]was there racial abuse i and many doubt it just another racial excuse for murder[/p][/quote]if it wasn't racial abuse what stop victor from cycling of with that girl to turn around so abruptly because I wasn't there and neither where you, but I dont think he said "stop and turn around and look at me abruptly"[/p][/quote]Could you at least try &comment in a manner that people can understand? Your comment makes little sense? stevobath
  • Score: 1

1:01pm Tue 4 Mar 14

rdemeath says...

h97whhl wrote quite an insulting response to this article. Murder is murder, no matter what excuse apologists for such crimes might seek to use.
An innocent man is dead, a loving mother bereaved and an entire town left in a state of shock over a lenient sentence.
'Let the punishment fit the crime' means the murderer should receive a life sentence!
As for the slur on the dead man that he used a 'racist' term, I can only say that liars swear to tell the truth when they put their hand on the bible in court.
The only person whose word can be used to contradict such an accusation is dead - and his good name sullied by the likes of h97whhl.
Richard de Meath
Bournemouth
h97whhl wrote quite an insulting response to this article. Murder is murder, no matter what excuse apologists for such crimes might seek to use. An innocent man is dead, a loving mother bereaved and an entire town left in a state of shock over a lenient sentence. 'Let the punishment fit the crime' means the murderer should receive a life sentence! As for the slur on the dead man that he used a 'racist' term, I can only say that liars swear to tell the truth when they put their hand on the bible in court. The only person whose word can be used to contradict such an accusation is dead - and his good name sullied by the likes of h97whhl. Richard de Meath Bournemouth rdemeath
  • Score: 0

3:32pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

rdemeath wrote:
h97whhl wrote quite an insulting response to this article. Murder is murder, no matter what excuse apologists for such crimes might seek to use.
An innocent man is dead, a loving mother bereaved and an entire town left in a state of shock over a lenient sentence.
'Let the punishment fit the crime' means the murderer should receive a life sentence!
As for the slur on the dead man that he used a 'racist' term, I can only say that liars swear to tell the truth when they put their hand on the bible in court.
The only person whose word can be used to contradict such an accusation is dead - and his good name sullied by the likes of h97whhl.
Richard de Meath
Bournemouth
You appear to be making the same mistake as a lot of others who are responding to this article. Victor Ibitoye who has written the article was the young man on the bicycle, he never assaulted or murdered anyone. He has however stated that he is sorry this ever happened and I believe he is, the very fact he has even bothered to do this shows he is sorry. I am sure everyone is as horrified at the lad who actually threw that devastating punch and the feeble sentence he got but don't be accusing someone who has actually tried to do the right thing for being responsible for someone elses actions.
[quote][p][bold]rdemeath[/bold] wrote: h97whhl wrote quite an insulting response to this article. Murder is murder, no matter what excuse apologists for such crimes might seek to use. An innocent man is dead, a loving mother bereaved and an entire town left in a state of shock over a lenient sentence. 'Let the punishment fit the crime' means the murderer should receive a life sentence! As for the slur on the dead man that he used a 'racist' term, I can only say that liars swear to tell the truth when they put their hand on the bible in court. The only person whose word can be used to contradict such an accusation is dead - and his good name sullied by the likes of h97whhl. Richard de Meath Bournemouth[/p][/quote]You appear to be making the same mistake as a lot of others who are responding to this article. Victor Ibitoye who has written the article was the young man on the bicycle, he never assaulted or murdered anyone. He has however stated that he is sorry this ever happened and I believe he is, the very fact he has even bothered to do this shows he is sorry. I am sure everyone is as horrified at the lad who actually threw that devastating punch and the feeble sentence he got but don't be accusing someone who has actually tried to do the right thing for being responsible for someone elses actions. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -3

4:15pm Tue 4 Mar 14

rdemeath says...

Marty Caine UKIP seems to insinuate something I did not say, by word or omission and can only assume that Ms Caine is seeking to publicise her affiliation to a political party rather than address the case under discussion.
Marty Caine UKIP seems to insinuate something I did not say, by word or omission and can only assume that Ms Caine is seeking to publicise her affiliation to a political party rather than address the case under discussion. rdemeath
  • Score: 3

4:17pm Tue 4 Mar 14

pete woodley says...

So now we know that UKIP supports those who take off after an incident,where a man is lying in the road, and Victor Ibitoye does nothing to help him.Google Marty Caine to find out more about the type of person that condones the actions of 21 year old victor.
So now we know that UKIP supports those who take off after an incident,where a man is lying in the road, and Victor Ibitoye does nothing to help him.Google Marty Caine to find out more about the type of person that condones the actions of 21 year old victor. pete woodley
  • Score: 2

6:07pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

pete woodley wrote:
So now we know that UKIP supports those who take off after an incident,where a man is lying in the road, and Victor Ibitoye does nothing to help him.Google Marty Caine to find out more about the type of person that condones the actions of 21 year old victor.
If you actually read the article by the lad on the bicycle you can see he got off his bike and went back to check on Mr Young and left once he was aware that an ambulance had been called. I do condone what Victor has done by making a public apology about what took place, I am certainly not going to start accusing him of murder when he took no part in the actual assault like rdemeath has done.
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: So now we know that UKIP supports those who take off after an incident,where a man is lying in the road, and Victor Ibitoye does nothing to help him.Google Marty Caine to find out more about the type of person that condones the actions of 21 year old victor.[/p][/quote]If you actually read the article by the lad on the bicycle you can see he got off his bike and went back to check on Mr Young and left once he was aware that an ambulance had been called. I do condone what Victor has done by making a public apology about what took place, I am certainly not going to start accusing him of murder when he took no part in the actual assault like rdemeath has done. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -1

7:12pm Tue 4 Mar 14

rdemeath says...

I took the advice suggested by Pete Woodley and used the excellent services offered by google.
I wonder if UKIP actually know this man (yes I discovered this too) is actually a member of their party. I rather doubt that Mr Farage is aware of the harm being done to his excellent party by this buffoon. If some UKIP member happens to read these posts, perhaps they will pass the information onward and upward.
I took the advice suggested by Pete Woodley and used the excellent services offered by google. I wonder if UKIP actually know this man (yes I discovered this too) is actually a member of their party. I rather doubt that Mr Farage is aware of the harm being done to his excellent party by this buffoon. If some UKIP member happens to read these posts, perhaps they will pass the information onward and upward. rdemeath
  • Score: 2

7:14pm Tue 4 Mar 14

pete woodley says...

,MARTY CAINE "I am certainly not going to start accusing him of murder when he took no part in the actual assault like rdemeath has done." So now rdemeath was involved ?.
,MARTY CAINE "I am certainly not going to start accusing him of murder when he took no part in the actual assault like rdemeath has done." So now rdemeath was involved ?. pete woodley
  • Score: -2

7:17pm Tue 4 Mar 14

X Old Bill says...

bournemouthforever wrote:
we-shall-see wrote:
I like the way he says "I don't want to be associated with someone who took a life" .......... maybe not mate, but YOU are the REASON this act took place. If you had not been riding on the pavement, this incident would not have happened........... such a pity YOU were not prosecuted for leaving the scene - as well as being handed a hefty fine for riding on the pavement.

GET YOUR CYCLE ON THE ROAD WHERE IT BELONGS!!!
Since your the expert under what law would he be prosecuted (and a real law), and police would of need more than just their statements to take it as a plausible statement
Highways Act 1835 Section 72.
[quote][p][bold]bournemouthforever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: I like the way he says "I don't want to be associated with someone who took a life" .......... maybe not mate, but YOU are the REASON this act took place. If you had not been riding on the pavement, this incident would not have happened........... such a pity YOU were not prosecuted for leaving the scene - as well as being handed a hefty fine for riding on the pavement. GET YOUR CYCLE ON THE ROAD WHERE IT BELONGS!!![/p][/quote]Since your the expert under what law would he be prosecuted (and a real law), and police would of need more than just their statements to take it as a plausible statement[/p][/quote]Highways Act 1835 Section 72. X Old Bill
  • Score: 0

7:20pm Tue 4 Mar 14

X Old Bill says...

Franks Tank wrote:
dommyball wrote:
Fact 1 - youth rides on pavement
Fact 2 - words are said no proof of what
Fact 3 - man is brutally assaulted
Fact 4 - youth and pals leave quickly before ambulance or police arrive
Fact 5 - man dies
Fact 6 - thug gets let off lightly and blames racist comment for his actions
Fact 7 - thugs mate denies he has done anything wrong
Fact 1- "youth"?? Mr Ibitoye is 21. Hardly a "youth".
Quite so - He is a young adult male who ought to know better and cannot use tender age as an excuse for his actions.
[quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dommyball[/bold] wrote: Fact 1 - youth rides on pavement Fact 2 - words are said no proof of what Fact 3 - man is brutally assaulted Fact 4 - youth and pals leave quickly before ambulance or police arrive Fact 5 - man dies Fact 6 - thug gets let off lightly and blames racist comment for his actions Fact 7 - thugs mate denies he has done anything wrong[/p][/quote]Fact 1- "youth"?? Mr Ibitoye is 21. Hardly a "youth".[/p][/quote]Quite so - He is a young adult male who ought to know better and cannot use tender age as an excuse for his actions. X Old Bill
  • Score: 3

8:04pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

rdemeath wrote:
I took the advice suggested by Pete Woodley and used the excellent services offered by google.
I wonder if UKIP actually know this man (yes I discovered this too) is actually a member of their party. I rather doubt that Mr Farage is aware of the harm being done to his excellent party by this buffoon. If some UKIP member happens to read these posts, perhaps they will pass the information onward and upward.
He seemed ok when I was drinking with him on Friday night , if you want to believe nonsense stories created by inconsequential websites like IBT then that is entirely your choice but please don't turn this particular article into some kind of anti UKIP or more so, anti me campaign, if you are really interested in what happened then do feel free to drop me an email at m.caine@ukip-poole.o
rg
[quote][p][bold]rdemeath[/bold] wrote: I took the advice suggested by Pete Woodley and used the excellent services offered by google. I wonder if UKIP actually know this man (yes I discovered this too) is actually a member of their party. I rather doubt that Mr Farage is aware of the harm being done to his excellent party by this buffoon. If some UKIP member happens to read these posts, perhaps they will pass the information onward and upward.[/p][/quote]He seemed ok when I was drinking with him on Friday night , if you want to believe nonsense stories created by inconsequential websites like IBT then that is entirely your choice but please don't turn this particular article into some kind of anti UKIP or more so, anti me campaign, if you are really interested in what happened then do feel free to drop me an email at m.caine@ukip-poole.o rg Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -1

11:02pm Tue 4 Mar 14

h97whhl says...

rdemeath wrote:
h97whhl wrote quite an insulting response to this article. Murder is murder, no matter what excuse apologists for such crimes might seek to use.
An innocent man is dead, a loving mother bereaved and an entire town left in a state of shock over a lenient sentence.
'Let the punishment fit the crime' means the murderer should receive a life sentence!
As for the slur on the dead man that he used a 'racist' term, I can only say that liars swear to tell the truth when they put their hand on the bible in court.
The only person whose word can be used to contradict such an accusation is dead - and his good name sullied by the likes of h97whhl.
Richard de Meath
Bournemouth
All we can see from the clip is that the victim made some remark after Victor and his girlfriend walked off which caused them to turn back suddenly just before Gill hit him. As I said the judicial system should be trusted to make the appropriate decision based on all the evidence, statements, witnesses etc - they have more information than we do.

Nobody is claiming that racial abuse justifies physical attack. However it was clearly not premeditated and the charge of manslaughter reflects the judge and jury's view based on the evidence that Gill did not intend to kill Young. It was the tragic consequence of a violent outburst.
[quote][p][bold]rdemeath[/bold] wrote: h97whhl wrote quite an insulting response to this article. Murder is murder, no matter what excuse apologists for such crimes might seek to use. An innocent man is dead, a loving mother bereaved and an entire town left in a state of shock over a lenient sentence. 'Let the punishment fit the crime' means the murderer should receive a life sentence! As for the slur on the dead man that he used a 'racist' term, I can only say that liars swear to tell the truth when they put their hand on the bible in court. The only person whose word can be used to contradict such an accusation is dead - and his good name sullied by the likes of h97whhl. Richard de Meath Bournemouth[/p][/quote]All we can see from the clip is that the victim made some remark after Victor and his girlfriend walked off which caused them to turn back suddenly just before Gill hit him. As I said the judicial system should be trusted to make the appropriate decision based on all the evidence, statements, witnesses etc - they have more information than we do. Nobody is claiming that racial abuse justifies physical attack. However it was clearly not premeditated and the charge of manslaughter reflects the judge and jury's view based on the evidence that Gill did not intend to kill Young. It was the tragic consequence of a violent outburst. h97whhl
  • Score: 1

8:29pm Thu 6 Mar 14

curryandstella says...

h97whhl wrote:
curryandstella wrote:
Very sad case. Cyclists who cycle on the pavements are a nuisance and it is dangerous, my mother in law was hit by a cyclist and she needed 17 stitches in her face. As for MORO99, If you think that punching someone and killing them for saying a racial comment you too are a problem. Gill should get 20 years minimum.
In this case Mr. Ibitoye was accompanying his girlfriend who was on foot. Cycling at the speed of a pedestrian does not cause harm and as mentioned above the pavement is narrow and congested where the incident occurred - he was actually taking up less space by riding his bike (slowly) than pushing it. It's a shame that this tragic story has sparked a negative reaction to cyclists who would generally chose to use a cycle path or the road if it was safe and convenient to do so. Unfortunately our lack of decent cycling infrastructure means that some cyclists use the pavement and a small minority of these cyclists aren't considerate and travel too fast.

However it was the victim's racist comment rather than the cycling argument that ultimately sparked Gill's violent reaction. I agree with Mr. Ibitoye that the judicial system should be trusted t o make the appropriate sentence based on all the evidence, statements, witnesses etc - they have more information than we do.
idiot.
[quote][p][bold]h97whhl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]curryandstella[/bold] wrote: Very sad case. Cyclists who cycle on the pavements are a nuisance and it is dangerous, my mother in law was hit by a cyclist and she needed 17 stitches in her face. As for MORO99, If you think that punching someone and killing them for saying a racial comment you too are a problem. Gill should get 20 years minimum.[/p][/quote]In this case Mr. Ibitoye was accompanying his girlfriend who was on foot. Cycling at the speed of a pedestrian does not cause harm and as mentioned above the pavement is narrow and congested where the incident occurred - he was actually taking up less space by riding his bike (slowly) than pushing it. It's a shame that this tragic story has sparked a negative reaction to cyclists who would generally chose to use a cycle path or the road if it was safe and convenient to do so. Unfortunately our lack of decent cycling infrastructure means that some cyclists use the pavement and a small minority of these cyclists aren't considerate and travel too fast. However it was the victim's racist comment rather than the cycling argument that ultimately sparked Gill's violent reaction. I agree with Mr. Ibitoye that the judicial system should be trusted t o make the appropriate sentence based on all the evidence, statements, witnesses etc - they have more information than we do.[/p][/quote]idiot. curryandstella
  • Score: -6

10:43pm Thu 6 Mar 14

rdemeath says...

curryandstella once again repeats the claims the murdered man made a 'racist comment', something that cannot be proven one way or the other. It is interesting that white people are not known to claim people make racist comments against them!
Charges of 'racism' are made by the intellectually challenged, by cultural bullies, by those who seek to hide behind such indictments.
Shame on people such as curryandstella who continue to perpetuate this slur on the good name of a murder victim.
Once and for all, cycling on footpaths is something the law should address as a matter of urgency. There are many instances of people being injured, sworn at, and often treated with contempt by the selfish actions of some cyclists.
The purpose of a footpath exists in the name!
curryandstella once again repeats the claims the murdered man made a 'racist comment', something that cannot be proven one way or the other. It is interesting that white people are not known to claim people make racist comments against them! Charges of 'racism' are made by the intellectually challenged, by cultural bullies, by those who seek to hide behind such indictments. Shame on people such as curryandstella who continue to perpetuate this slur on the good name of a murder victim. Once and for all, cycling on footpaths is something the law should address as a matter of urgency. There are many instances of people being injured, sworn at, and often treated with contempt by the selfish actions of some cyclists. The purpose of a footpath exists in the name! rdemeath
  • Score: 1

11:41am Fri 7 Mar 14

pete woodley says...

rdemeath wrote:
curryandstella once again repeats the claims the murdered man made a 'racist comment', something that cannot be proven one way or the other. It is interesting that white people are not known to claim people make racist comments against them!
Charges of 'racism' are made by the intellectually challenged, by cultural bullies, by those who seek to hide behind such indictments.
Shame on people such as curryandstella who continue to perpetuate this slur on the good name of a murder victim.
Once and for all, cycling on footpaths is something the law should address as a matter of urgency. There are many instances of people being injured, sworn at, and often treated with contempt by the selfish actions of some cyclists.
The purpose of a footpath exists in the name!
Smack on, your comments sum it up completely,the truth will hurt but most of us do not believe a racial comment was ever made and to keep saying this is right out of order There are many of us who have been hit by cyclists,do we all make racial remarks.Its being racial to make these excuses.
[quote][p][bold]rdemeath[/bold] wrote: curryandstella once again repeats the claims the murdered man made a 'racist comment', something that cannot be proven one way or the other. It is interesting that white people are not known to claim people make racist comments against them! Charges of 'racism' are made by the intellectually challenged, by cultural bullies, by those who seek to hide behind such indictments. Shame on people such as curryandstella who continue to perpetuate this slur on the good name of a murder victim. Once and for all, cycling on footpaths is something the law should address as a matter of urgency. There are many instances of people being injured, sworn at, and often treated with contempt by the selfish actions of some cyclists. The purpose of a footpath exists in the name![/p][/quote]Smack on, your comments sum it up completely,the truth will hurt but most of us do not believe a racial comment was ever made and to keep saying this is right out of order There are many of us who have been hit by cyclists,do we all make racial remarks.Its being racial to make these excuses. pete woodley
  • Score: 0

6:58pm Fri 7 Mar 14

curryandstella says...

pete woodley wrote:
rdemeath wrote:
curryandstella once again repeats the claims the murdered man made a 'racist comment', something that cannot be proven one way or the other. It is interesting that white people are not known to claim people make racist comments against them!
Charges of 'racism' are made by the intellectually challenged, by cultural bullies, by those who seek to hide behind such indictments.
Shame on people such as curryandstella who continue to perpetuate this slur on the good name of a murder victim.
Once and for all, cycling on footpaths is something the law should address as a matter of urgency. There are many instances of people being injured, sworn at, and often treated with contempt by the selfish actions of some cyclists.
The purpose of a footpath exists in the name!
Smack on, your comments sum it up completely,the truth will hurt but most of us do not believe a racial comment was ever made and to keep saying this is right out of order There are many of us who have been hit by cyclists,do we all make racial remarks.Its being racial to make these excuses.
No I have not, far from it if you read my first post. Some people always play the card.
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rdemeath[/bold] wrote: curryandstella once again repeats the claims the murdered man made a 'racist comment', something that cannot be proven one way or the other. It is interesting that white people are not known to claim people make racist comments against them! Charges of 'racism' are made by the intellectually challenged, by cultural bullies, by those who seek to hide behind such indictments. Shame on people such as curryandstella who continue to perpetuate this slur on the good name of a murder victim. Once and for all, cycling on footpaths is something the law should address as a matter of urgency. There are many instances of people being injured, sworn at, and often treated with contempt by the selfish actions of some cyclists. The purpose of a footpath exists in the name![/p][/quote]Smack on, your comments sum it up completely,the truth will hurt but most of us do not believe a racial comment was ever made and to keep saying this is right out of order There are many of us who have been hit by cyclists,do we all make racial remarks.Its being racial to make these excuses.[/p][/quote]No I have not, far from it if you read my first post. Some people always play the card. curryandstella
  • Score: 0

10:36pm Fri 7 Mar 14

rdemeath says...

Mairy Hinge wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.
I agree he should have walked on and reported the racist comment.
Surely you mean an alleged 'racist' comment! We do not have, and will never know, the victim's side of the story for obvious reasons - he was murdered!
It is typical of a certain section of society to scream 'racist' when it suits their purpose. This is a fallout from the Blair years, and sadly does more harm to divide society than bring it together.
The best thing for societal cohesion is to stop demonising white people, to bring an end to others hiding behind this slur and introduce some common-sense back into our culture.
[quote][p][bold]Mairy Hinge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.[/p][/quote]I agree he should have walked on and reported the racist comment.[/p][/quote]Surely you mean an alleged 'racist' comment! We do not have, and will never know, the victim's side of the story for obvious reasons - he was murdered! It is typical of a certain section of society to scream 'racist' when it suits their purpose. This is a fallout from the Blair years, and sadly does more harm to divide society than bring it together. The best thing for societal cohesion is to stop demonising white people, to bring an end to others hiding behind this slur and introduce some common-sense back into our culture. rdemeath
  • Score: 3

12:11am Sun 9 Mar 14

curryandstella says...

rdemeath wrote:
Mairy Hinge wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.
I agree he should have walked on and reported the racist comment.
Surely you mean an alleged 'racist' comment! We do not have, and will never know, the victim's side of the story for obvious reasons - he was murdered!
It is typical of a certain section of society to scream 'racist' when it suits their purpose. This is a fallout from the Blair years, and sadly does more harm to divide society than bring it together.
The best thing for societal cohesion is to stop demonising white people, to bring an end to others hiding behind this slur and introduce some common-sense back into our culture.
why do people think that non white british are not racist???
[quote][p][bold]rdemeath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mairy Hinge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Yes, lets look at the video again. At first Gill gives the impression, and in fact he does, walk past Mr. Young, and then turns and lines up his right fist for a full force swing at Mr. Young which lands the inevitable fatal blow. This should be shown again in court when it appears for an increase in sentence to show that it was a deliberate punch to the victim. Another step, and Gill would have carried on walking, but that one step pass, a deliberat turn to reface Mr. Young, and bang. This is more serious.[/p][/quote]I agree he should have walked on and reported the racist comment.[/p][/quote]Surely you mean an alleged 'racist' comment! We do not have, and will never know, the victim's side of the story for obvious reasons - he was murdered! It is typical of a certain section of society to scream 'racist' when it suits their purpose. This is a fallout from the Blair years, and sadly does more harm to divide society than bring it together. The best thing for societal cohesion is to stop demonising white people, to bring an end to others hiding behind this slur and introduce some common-sense back into our culture.[/p][/quote]why do people think that non white british are not racist??? curryandstella
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