Bournemouth council freezes council tax

Bournemouth council freezes council tax

Bournemouth council freezes council tax

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BOURNEMOUTH council has approved a freeze in council tax for the fourth year in a row tonight.

Council leader Cllr John Beesley said the borough had cut its own budget to avoid passing on an increase in the share of council tax levied for the police and fire services.

But the budget-setting meeting also saw a plea for councillors to consider their staff, who faced having their overtime pay cut.

Cllr Beesley confirmed a band D council tax would stay at £1,498.68 after the council cut its budget by 0.4 per cent.

“Once again, we don’t need to cut services next year and we don’t plan to cut services in future years,” he added.

But he told the full council: “It has been very disappointing that there have again been increases in the precepts levied by both the police and crime commissioner and the fire authority in Dorset, this time by 1.96 per cent and 1.93 per cent respectively.”

Labour group leader Ben Grower urged the council to recognise the contribution staff were making to the savings. They were being consulted over plans to reduce overtime pay to normal hourly rates, with no enhanced payments for most bank holidays.

“If the staff refuse to agree, they will be sacked and offered new contracts,” said Cllr Grower.

Independent group leader Cllr Anne Rey said the cuts in pay could mean some staff had to start claiming benefits.

But Cllr Beesley said he did not want to penalise the council’s “loyal workforce”.

“Unlike many other councils up and down the country, Bournemouth council is not being asked to agree a budget that involves cutting hundreds or indeed thousands of jobs, nor the quality of the services it provides,” he said.

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9:53pm Tue 25 Feb 14

cromwell9 says...

Thats the way to run the councils budget,
Unde a Labour goverment we had to put up with year on year increses to fund all their Qwangoes,and pay there public secter workers above inflation cost of living rises ,on their pay scales.
no wonder our Council Tax Doubled in the 13 yrs they were in power.
DID you know the Public Secter workers ,recieve arond 40% more in salary than for the same kind of job in the Private Secter,
DID you also know that 30% of your council tax goes strait into their Gold Plated Pention scheme,
No wonder they are all driving around with big grins on their faces.
And we are forced by LAW to pay for it,
For every £! they pay iin ,They take £4 out,
For that kind of pention in the private secter .you would have to pay in £900,000,
So I thank BMTH council for trying to releave the burden ,on us poor council tax payers,
99% of us dont live in Talbot Woods,
Thats the way to run the councils budget, Unde a Labour goverment we had to put up with year on year increses to fund all their Qwangoes,and pay there public secter workers above inflation cost of living rises ,on their pay scales. no wonder our Council Tax Doubled in the 13 yrs they were in power. DID you know the Public Secter workers ,recieve arond 40% more in salary than for the same kind of job in the Private Secter, DID you also know that 30% of your council tax goes strait into their Gold Plated Pention scheme, No wonder they are all driving around with big grins on their faces. And we are forced by LAW to pay for it, For every £! they pay iin ,They take £4 out, For that kind of pention in the private secter .you would have to pay in £900,000, So I thank BMTH council for trying to releave the burden ,on us poor council tax payers, 99% of us dont live in Talbot Woods, cromwell9
  • Score: 3

9:58pm Tue 25 Feb 14

cromwell9 says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Thats the way to run the councils budget,
Unde a Labour goverment we had to put up with year on year increses to fund all their Qwangoes,and pay there public secter workers above inflation cost of living rises ,on their pay scales.
no wonder our Council Tax Doubled in the 13 yrs they were in power.
DID you know the Public Secter workers ,recieve arond 40% more in salary than for the same kind of job in the Private Secter,
DID you also know that 30% of your council tax goes strait into their Gold Plated Pention scheme,
No wonder they are all driving around with big grins on their faces.
And we are forced by LAW to pay for it,
For every £! they pay iin ,They take £4 out,
For that kind of pention in the private secter .you would have to pay in £900,000,
So I thank BMTH council for trying to releave the burden ,on us poor council tax payers,
99% of us dont live in Talbot Woods,
Sorry for 2/3 spelling mistakes ,My lap top is as sharp as a knife,
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Thats the way to run the councils budget, Unde a Labour goverment we had to put up with year on year increses to fund all their Qwangoes,and pay there public secter workers above inflation cost of living rises ,on their pay scales. no wonder our Council Tax Doubled in the 13 yrs they were in power. DID you know the Public Secter workers ,recieve arond 40% more in salary than for the same kind of job in the Private Secter, DID you also know that 30% of your council tax goes strait into their Gold Plated Pention scheme, No wonder they are all driving around with big grins on their faces. And we are forced by LAW to pay for it, For every £! they pay iin ,They take £4 out, For that kind of pention in the private secter .you would have to pay in £900,000, So I thank BMTH council for trying to releave the burden ,on us poor council tax payers, 99% of us dont live in Talbot Woods,[/p][/quote]Sorry for 2/3 spelling mistakes ,My lap top is as sharp as a knife, cromwell9
  • Score: -4

10:03pm Tue 25 Feb 14

duke bingo says...

So it was a serious post?
So it was a serious post? duke bingo
  • Score: -9

10:08pm Tue 25 Feb 14

beachcomber1 says...

they can afford to freeze because of the stealth tax introduced by central govt last year, which meant many of the poorest and disadvantaged in society were suddenly deprived of Council Tax benefit. so the rich, who can well afford to pay, have their bills frozen while the poor suffer.
they can afford to freeze because of the stealth tax introduced by central govt last year, which meant many of the poorest and disadvantaged in society were suddenly deprived of Council Tax benefit. so the rich, who can well afford to pay, have their bills frozen while the poor suffer. beachcomber1
  • Score: 6

10:27pm Tue 25 Feb 14

cromwell9 says...

duke bingo wrote:
So it was a serious post?
Dead On,
[quote][p][bold]duke bingo[/bold] wrote: So it was a serious post?[/p][/quote]Dead On, cromwell9
  • Score: 1

10:55pm Tue 25 Feb 14

rozmister says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Thats the way to run the councils budget,
Unde a Labour goverment we had to put up with year on year increses to fund all their Qwangoes,and pay there public secter workers above inflation cost of living rises ,on their pay scales.
no wonder our Council Tax Doubled in the 13 yrs they were in power.
DID you know the Public Secter workers ,recieve arond 40% more in salary than for the same kind of job in the Private Secter,
DID you also know that 30% of your council tax goes strait into their Gold Plated Pention scheme,
No wonder they are all driving around with big grins on their faces.
And we are forced by LAW to pay for it,
For every £! they pay iin ,They take £4 out,
For that kind of pention in the private secter .you would have to pay in £900,000,
So I thank BMTH council for trying to releave the burden ,on us poor council tax payers,
99% of us dont live in Talbot Woods,
I work in the public sector and earn £1k more than I did in my previous private sector job despite taking an increase in responsibility. My pay now is equal to what I would earn with the same experience and responsibility in the private sector. I don't know who is receiving 40% more than the equivalent private sector salary but it is not the majority of council workers who are actually working at delivering the services residents expect.

As for pensions paying out £4 for every £1 paid in - can you direct me to this scheme? Only it sure as hell isn't the local government pension I'm paying in to. Which I've started paying into pretty young and will be paying in to until I'm at least 70 during which time my contributions will no doubt become worth less and less.

The majority of your council tax goes Adult and Children's services. Some of this will pay for staffing which will include pensions for those staff but it will also include running all the services needed in those department, paying external care & support companies, etc. Personally despite the strain council tax also puts on my budget (us council workers are poor council tax payers who don't live in Talbot Woods surprisingly!) I don't begrudge paying out for the most vulnerable in my community and yes I even don't mind paying for the pensions of those who care for them.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Thats the way to run the councils budget, Unde a Labour goverment we had to put up with year on year increses to fund all their Qwangoes,and pay there public secter workers above inflation cost of living rises ,on their pay scales. no wonder our Council Tax Doubled in the 13 yrs they were in power. DID you know the Public Secter workers ,recieve arond 40% more in salary than for the same kind of job in the Private Secter, DID you also know that 30% of your council tax goes strait into their Gold Plated Pention scheme, No wonder they are all driving around with big grins on their faces. And we are forced by LAW to pay for it, For every £! they pay iin ,They take £4 out, For that kind of pention in the private secter .you would have to pay in £900,000, So I thank BMTH council for trying to releave the burden ,on us poor council tax payers, 99% of us dont live in Talbot Woods,[/p][/quote]I work in the public sector and earn £1k more than I did in my previous private sector job despite taking an increase in responsibility. My pay now is equal to what I would earn with the same experience and responsibility in the private sector. I don't know who is receiving 40% more than the equivalent private sector salary but it is not the majority of council workers who are actually working at delivering the services residents expect. As for pensions paying out £4 for every £1 paid in - can you direct me to this scheme? Only it sure as hell isn't the local government pension I'm paying in to. Which I've started paying into pretty young and will be paying in to until I'm at least 70 during which time my contributions will no doubt become worth less and less. The majority of your council tax goes Adult and Children's services. Some of this will pay for staffing which will include pensions for those staff but it will also include running all the services needed in those department, paying external care & support companies, etc. Personally despite the strain council tax also puts on my budget (us council workers are poor council tax payers who don't live in Talbot Woods surprisingly!) I don't begrudge paying out for the most vulnerable in my community and yes I even don't mind paying for the pensions of those who care for them. rozmister
  • Score: 11

10:55pm Tue 25 Feb 14

muscliffman says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Thats the way to run the councils budget,
Unde a Labour goverment we had to put up with year on year increses to fund all their Qwangoes,and pay there public secter workers above inflation cost of living rises ,on their pay scales.
no wonder our Council Tax Doubled in the 13 yrs they were in power.
DID you know the Public Secter workers ,recieve arond 40% more in salary than for the same kind of job in the Private Secter,
DID you also know that 30% of your council tax goes strait into their Gold Plated Pention scheme,
No wonder they are all driving around with big grins on their faces.
And we are forced by LAW to pay for it,
For every £! they pay iin ,They take £4 out,
For that kind of pention in the private secter .you would have to pay in £900,000,
So I thank BMTH council for trying to releave the burden ,on us poor council tax payers,
99% of us dont live in Talbot Woods,
A shame that you have chosen to rather over cook the percentages and figures and discredit what are otherwise reasonable and increasingly valid points. (The Taxpayers Alliance is a very credible reference point)

For instance, why do the UK general public including all private sector workers have to substantially contribute to public sector worker's supplementary pension schemes when the beneficiaries of these incredibly generous pensions contribute absolutely nothing to theirs. It could be argued that we should be paying for our Council services and related day to day wages only - nothing else. If these public sector employees want to add something to their state pensions they should pay up for all of it themselves just like everyone else does. This is a topic to watch, because after the Labour Government (that nice Mr Brown - the one said to be of past Marxist persuasions) wrecked all the private pension pots in the late 1990's by raiding them for tax, there is inevitably going to be some very serious trouble over this private/public pensions 'apartheid' - and in the not too distant future.

Returning to immediate subject, I think now we all know that Bournemouth Council has £Millions sloshing aimlessly around in reserves to buy up building sites and even try to set up a Bank we trust there will be no Council Tax rises in the foreseeable future - indeed a one off refund or a year's Council tax holiday might be nice!
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Thats the way to run the councils budget, Unde a Labour goverment we had to put up with year on year increses to fund all their Qwangoes,and pay there public secter workers above inflation cost of living rises ,on their pay scales. no wonder our Council Tax Doubled in the 13 yrs they were in power. DID you know the Public Secter workers ,recieve arond 40% more in salary than for the same kind of job in the Private Secter, DID you also know that 30% of your council tax goes strait into their Gold Plated Pention scheme, No wonder they are all driving around with big grins on their faces. And we are forced by LAW to pay for it, For every £! they pay iin ,They take £4 out, For that kind of pention in the private secter .you would have to pay in £900,000, So I thank BMTH council for trying to releave the burden ,on us poor council tax payers, 99% of us dont live in Talbot Woods,[/p][/quote]A shame that you have chosen to rather over cook the percentages and figures and discredit what are otherwise reasonable and increasingly valid points. (The Taxpayers Alliance is a very credible reference point) For instance, why do the UK general public including all private sector workers have to substantially contribute to public sector worker's supplementary pension schemes when the beneficiaries of these incredibly generous pensions contribute absolutely nothing to theirs. It could be argued that we should be paying for our Council services and related day to day wages only - nothing else. If these public sector employees want to add something to their state pensions they should pay up for all of it themselves just like everyone else does. This is a topic to watch, because after the Labour Government (that nice Mr Brown - the one said to be of past Marxist persuasions) wrecked all the private pension pots in the late 1990's by raiding them for tax, there is inevitably going to be some very serious trouble over this private/public pensions 'apartheid' - and in the not too distant future. Returning to immediate subject, I think now we all know that Bournemouth Council has £Millions sloshing aimlessly around in reserves to buy up building sites and even try to set up a Bank we trust there will be no Council Tax rises in the foreseeable future - indeed a one off refund or a year's Council tax holiday might be nice! muscliffman
  • Score: 6

11:01pm Tue 25 Feb 14

rozmister says...

beachcomber1 wrote:
they can afford to freeze because of the stealth tax introduced by central govt last year, which meant many of the poorest and disadvantaged in society were suddenly deprived of Council Tax benefit. so the rich, who can well afford to pay, have their bills frozen while the poor suffer.
The government cut the amount of council tax benefit paid so there's no additional money in the council tax pot it's just come from a different source. The pockets of the poorest are paying that amount rather than central government.
[quote][p][bold]beachcomber1[/bold] wrote: they can afford to freeze because of the stealth tax introduced by central govt last year, which meant many of the poorest and disadvantaged in society were suddenly deprived of Council Tax benefit. so the rich, who can well afford to pay, have their bills frozen while the poor suffer.[/p][/quote]The government cut the amount of council tax benefit paid so there's no additional money in the council tax pot it's just come from a different source. The pockets of the poorest are paying that amount rather than central government. rozmister
  • Score: 2

11:01pm Tue 25 Feb 14

BmthNewshound says...

The numbers just don't add up. Council budgets have been cut, Bournemouth is actually reducing its portion of the council tax to cancel out the increase in the police & fire levy and we are expected to believe Beesley when he says that “Once again, we don’t need to cut services next year and we don’t plan to cut services in future years,”
.
Beesley is dependent on the councils reserves to fund his council tax cuts, capital spending and vanity projects. What happens when he's used that money up ? That's when he'll step down as leader and leave it for someone else to deal with the fall out from his financial incompetence.
The numbers just don't add up. Council budgets have been cut, Bournemouth is actually reducing its portion of the council tax to cancel out the increase in the police & fire levy and we are expected to believe Beesley when he says that “Once again, we don’t need to cut services next year and we don’t plan to cut services in future years,” . Beesley is dependent on the councils reserves to fund his council tax cuts, capital spending and vanity projects. What happens when he's used that money up ? That's when he'll step down as leader and leave it for someone else to deal with the fall out from his financial incompetence. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 4

11:07pm Tue 25 Feb 14

stevobath says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Thats the way to run the councils budget,
Unde a Labour goverment we had to put up with year on year increses to fund all their Qwangoes,and pay there public secter workers above inflation cost of living rises ,on their pay scales.
no wonder our Council Tax Doubled in the 13 yrs they were in power.
DID you know the Public Secter workers ,recieve arond 40% more in salary than for the same kind of job in the Private Secter,
DID you also know that 30% of your council tax goes strait into their Gold Plated Pention scheme,
No wonder they are all driving around with big grins on their faces.
And we are forced by LAW to pay for it,
For every £! they pay iin ,They take £4 out,
For that kind of pention in the private secter .you would have to pay in £900,000,
So I thank BMTH council for trying to releave the burden ,on us poor council tax payers,
99% of us dont live in Talbot Woods,
You should be working for the Tory party.

All those dodgy figures you're bandying around as 'facts', just like Cameron & the other liars lining their pockets. Bastards.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Thats the way to run the councils budget, Unde a Labour goverment we had to put up with year on year increses to fund all their Qwangoes,and pay there public secter workers above inflation cost of living rises ,on their pay scales. no wonder our Council Tax Doubled in the 13 yrs they were in power. DID you know the Public Secter workers ,recieve arond 40% more in salary than for the same kind of job in the Private Secter, DID you also know that 30% of your council tax goes strait into their Gold Plated Pention scheme, No wonder they are all driving around with big grins on their faces. And we are forced by LAW to pay for it, For every £! they pay iin ,They take £4 out, For that kind of pention in the private secter .you would have to pay in £900,000, So I thank BMTH council for trying to releave the burden ,on us poor council tax payers, 99% of us dont live in Talbot Woods,[/p][/quote]You should be working for the Tory party. All those dodgy figures you're bandying around as 'facts', just like Cameron & the other liars lining their pockets. Bastards. stevobath
  • Score: -8

11:09pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Yankee1 says...

Is it Election Year?

Have they recovered the money lost on the surf reef fiasco?
Is it Election Year? Have they recovered the money lost on the surf reef fiasco? Yankee1
  • Score: 12

11:54pm Tue 25 Feb 14

s-pb2 says...

rozmister wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Thats the way to run the councils budget,
Unde a Labour goverment we had to put up with year on year increses to fund all their Qwangoes,and pay there public secter workers above inflation cost of living rises ,on their pay scales.
no wonder our Council Tax Doubled in the 13 yrs they were in power.
DID you know the Public Secter workers ,recieve arond 40% more in salary than for the same kind of job in the Private Secter,
DID you also know that 30% of your council tax goes strait into their Gold Plated Pention scheme,
No wonder they are all driving around with big grins on their faces.
And we are forced by LAW to pay for it,
For every £! they pay iin ,They take £4 out,
For that kind of pention in the private secter .you would have to pay in £900,000,
So I thank BMTH council for trying to releave the burden ,on us poor council tax payers,
99% of us dont live in Talbot Woods,
I work in the public sector and earn £1k more than I did in my previous private sector job despite taking an increase in responsibility. My pay now is equal to what I would earn with the same experience and responsibility in the private sector. I don't know who is receiving 40% more than the equivalent private sector salary but it is not the majority of council workers who are actually working at delivering the services residents expect.

As for pensions paying out £4 for every £1 paid in - can you direct me to this scheme? Only it sure as hell isn't the local government pension I'm paying in to. Which I've started paying into pretty young and will be paying in to until I'm at least 70 during which time my contributions will no doubt become worth less and less.

The majority of your council tax goes Adult and Children's services. Some of this will pay for staffing which will include pensions for those staff but it will also include running all the services needed in those department, paying external care & support companies, etc. Personally despite the strain council tax also puts on my budget (us council workers are poor council tax payers who don't live in Talbot Woods surprisingly!) I don't begrudge paying out for the most vulnerable in my community and yes I even don't mind paying for the pensions of those who care for them.
Im afraid Rozmister the people on this site dont like hearing the truth, and will just make up the nonsense they always come out with.

Im also hearing through a couple of contacts that adult & childrens social care are already on their knees. Despite getting 64% of the budget, it still simply isnt enough with the ever increasing numbers who need help. I shall very confidently predict that by January 2015 there will be an announcement which says that millions extra will be given to these 2 departments to keep them functioning and providing the services that people need. Personally i feel sorry for the hundreds of frontline workers in these departments as by the sounds of it they are not getting the support from top end managers, but hey what does anyone care if millions was spent on knocking down the Imax.
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Thats the way to run the councils budget, Unde a Labour goverment we had to put up with year on year increses to fund all their Qwangoes,and pay there public secter workers above inflation cost of living rises ,on their pay scales. no wonder our Council Tax Doubled in the 13 yrs they were in power. DID you know the Public Secter workers ,recieve arond 40% more in salary than for the same kind of job in the Private Secter, DID you also know that 30% of your council tax goes strait into their Gold Plated Pention scheme, No wonder they are all driving around with big grins on their faces. And we are forced by LAW to pay for it, For every £! they pay iin ,They take £4 out, For that kind of pention in the private secter .you would have to pay in £900,000, So I thank BMTH council for trying to releave the burden ,on us poor council tax payers, 99% of us dont live in Talbot Woods,[/p][/quote]I work in the public sector and earn £1k more than I did in my previous private sector job despite taking an increase in responsibility. My pay now is equal to what I would earn with the same experience and responsibility in the private sector. I don't know who is receiving 40% more than the equivalent private sector salary but it is not the majority of council workers who are actually working at delivering the services residents expect. As for pensions paying out £4 for every £1 paid in - can you direct me to this scheme? Only it sure as hell isn't the local government pension I'm paying in to. Which I've started paying into pretty young and will be paying in to until I'm at least 70 during which time my contributions will no doubt become worth less and less. The majority of your council tax goes Adult and Children's services. Some of this will pay for staffing which will include pensions for those staff but it will also include running all the services needed in those department, paying external care & support companies, etc. Personally despite the strain council tax also puts on my budget (us council workers are poor council tax payers who don't live in Talbot Woods surprisingly!) I don't begrudge paying out for the most vulnerable in my community and yes I even don't mind paying for the pensions of those who care for them.[/p][/quote]Im afraid Rozmister the people on this site dont like hearing the truth, and will just make up the nonsense they always come out with. Im also hearing through a couple of contacts that adult & childrens social care are already on their knees. Despite getting 64% of the budget, it still simply isnt enough with the ever increasing numbers who need help. I shall very confidently predict that by January 2015 there will be an announcement which says that millions extra will be given to these 2 departments to keep them functioning and providing the services that people need. Personally i feel sorry for the hundreds of frontline workers in these departments as by the sounds of it they are not getting the support from top end managers, but hey what does anyone care if millions was spent on knocking down the Imax. s-pb2
  • Score: 7

12:22am Wed 26 Feb 14

John T says...

cromwell9 wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Thats the way to run the councils budget,
Unde a Labour goverment we had to put up with year on year increses to fund all their Qwangoes,and pay there public secter workers above inflation cost of living rises ,on their pay scales.
no wonder our Council Tax Doubled in the 13 yrs they were in power.
DID you know the Public Secter workers ,recieve arond 40% more in salary than for the same kind of job in the Private Secter,
DID you also know that 30% of your council tax goes strait into their Gold Plated Pention scheme,
No wonder they are all driving around with big grins on their faces.
And we are forced by LAW to pay for it,
For every £! they pay iin ,They take £4 out,
For that kind of pention in the private secter .you would have to pay in £900,000,
So I thank BMTH council for trying to releave the burden ,on us poor council tax payers,
99% of us dont live in Talbot Woods,
Sorry for 2/3 spelling mistakes ,My lap top is as sharp as a knife,
There are, in fact, over 23 spelling and grammar mistakes in your first post; and unlike you I don't like to lie and exaggerate.
I really hope that you are the product of a private sector education, as otherwise I, like many others would hate to calculate the amount of money that has been wasted on barely literate idiots like you.
Normally, it is said that 'a bad workman always blames his tool.' With you, it would appear to be the case that 'a tool always blames bad workmen'!
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Thats the way to run the councils budget, Unde a Labour goverment we had to put up with year on year increses to fund all their Qwangoes,and pay there public secter workers above inflation cost of living rises ,on their pay scales. no wonder our Council Tax Doubled in the 13 yrs they were in power. DID you know the Public Secter workers ,recieve arond 40% more in salary than for the same kind of job in the Private Secter, DID you also know that 30% of your council tax goes strait into their Gold Plated Pention scheme, No wonder they are all driving around with big grins on their faces. And we are forced by LAW to pay for it, For every £! they pay iin ,They take £4 out, For that kind of pention in the private secter .you would have to pay in £900,000, So I thank BMTH council for trying to releave the burden ,on us poor council tax payers, 99% of us dont live in Talbot Woods,[/p][/quote]Sorry for 2/3 spelling mistakes ,My lap top is as sharp as a knife,[/p][/quote]There are, in fact, over 23 spelling and grammar mistakes in your first post; and unlike you I don't like to lie and exaggerate. I really hope that you are the product of a private sector education, as otherwise I, like many others would hate to calculate the amount of money that has been wasted on barely literate idiots like you. Normally, it is said that 'a bad workman always blames his tool.' With you, it would appear to be the case that 'a tool always blames bad workmen'! John T
  • Score: 3

12:34am Wed 26 Feb 14

ShuttleX says...

If anybody believes that your Council services will not be affected, you are living on another planet. Mr Beesley knows full well what is going to happen when he rams this new contract down the work forces throat. There is already a lot of resentment because instead of a flat fee, the staff will now get paid their grade rate. This means the workers at the bottom getting paid next to nothing, while the managers sit pretty with their higher grades. That is for doing exactly the same job. I wonder if the Echo will be asking just how much the Council pays out in agency fees. That is going to rocket after July, when the staff employed by the Council will just go sick rather than work the hours Beesley is dictating. The unions have already decided that if any staff get the sack for refusing to sign the new contracts, they will shut the Council down. All those on HB not getting their money. People having to go into hospital because there will be no staff to care for them. Emergency alarms systems not being answered. Bins not getting emptied. No maintenance on any Council housing stock. I would like to see how many Councillors are going to man the out of hours service then. Are they willing to give up the Christmas for standard pay? The ones that are affected are all below Grade 9, which means the bottom end of the ladder. The senior managers won't really be affected at all. Don't discount the Union threat Mr Beesley. I for one would love to see the Council go out on a total strike.
If anybody believes that your Council services will not be affected, you are living on another planet. Mr Beesley knows full well what is going to happen when he rams this new contract down the work forces throat. There is already a lot of resentment because instead of a flat fee, the staff will now get paid their grade rate. This means the workers at the bottom getting paid next to nothing, while the managers sit pretty with their higher grades. That is for doing exactly the same job. I wonder if the Echo will be asking just how much the Council pays out in agency fees. That is going to rocket after July, when the staff employed by the Council will just go sick rather than work the hours Beesley is dictating. The unions have already decided that if any staff get the sack for refusing to sign the new contracts, they will shut the Council down. All those on HB not getting their money. People having to go into hospital because there will be no staff to care for them. Emergency alarms systems not being answered. Bins not getting emptied. No maintenance on any Council housing stock. I would like to see how many Councillors are going to man the out of hours service then. Are they willing to give up the Christmas for standard pay? The ones that are affected are all below Grade 9, which means the bottom end of the ladder. The senior managers won't really be affected at all. Don't discount the Union threat Mr Beesley. I for one would love to see the Council go out on a total strike. ShuttleX
  • Score: 0

7:19am Wed 26 Feb 14

skydriver says...

Christchurch council take note.......although I guess you will have a lot of extra expense during the next year replanting the Druitt trees, etc etc.
Christchurch council take note.......although I guess you will have a lot of extra expense during the next year replanting the Druitt trees, etc etc. skydriver
  • Score: 4

8:52am Wed 26 Feb 14

TheDistrict says...

We all appreciate not rises in Council Tax, but at the same time, I for one would not mind increases if the said increase was used by the Council for the people and town of Bournemouth and not to line the pockets of the very same people who squander the funds. There are many ways to save on outgoings, rather than relying on income from other sources such as the residents of the town. Stop paying out for ridiculous creations such as the Surf Reef, subsidising and spending out for planning of spurious planning ideas such as the Pavilion, Winter Gardens and the Exeter Road complex. Reduce the number of councillors within each ward. Is three really necessary. Some are useless, and a waste of space. Have one or two councillors pending on the size of the ward would initiate a big saving on outgoings, as it would within the walls of the Town Hall. Look beyond the blinkers Mr Beesley, savings are afoot.
We all appreciate not rises in Council Tax, but at the same time, I for one would not mind increases if the said increase was used by the Council for the people and town of Bournemouth and not to line the pockets of the very same people who squander the funds. There are many ways to save on outgoings, rather than relying on income from other sources such as the residents of the town. Stop paying out for ridiculous creations such as the Surf Reef, subsidising and spending out for planning of spurious planning ideas such as the Pavilion, Winter Gardens and the Exeter Road complex. Reduce the number of councillors within each ward. Is three really necessary. Some are useless, and a waste of space. Have one or two councillors pending on the size of the ward would initiate a big saving on outgoings, as it would within the walls of the Town Hall. Look beyond the blinkers Mr Beesley, savings are afoot. TheDistrict
  • Score: 6

9:10am Wed 26 Feb 14

Gordon Cann says...

One thing is quite clear-the normal democratic process that happens when there is an effective opposition does not apply in Bournemouth , nor does the prospect of being turned out at the next Council elections apply; few would wish to bet much money on the outcome of the next General Election but the outcome of next years local Council elections is pretty much a foregone conclusion

Councillor Beesley may be or may not be a very competent financial Council leader but I do not get the impression that he is subject to much effective scrutiny which apply applies at the national level ; most people in Bournemouth are effectively shut out of the debate on these matters.

There is for example concern over the way the Government has changed the funding of the support given to local Councils for those deemed too poor to justify Council tax being levied- how has this been levied in Bournemouth; there is concern over the use of Council capital balances to fund loans to private businesses. has this been put on indefinite suspension suspension; in this part of Bournemouth many roads and streets have not been swept for months with gutters full of autumn leaves; hanging baskets have been removed rather than replant them. questions on the big overspend on the Surf Reef have not been answered to my knowledge.

The democratic process requires full and open debate
One thing is quite clear-the normal democratic process that happens when there is an effective opposition does not apply in Bournemouth , nor does the prospect of being turned out at the next Council elections apply; few would wish to bet much money on the outcome of the next General Election but the outcome of next years local Council elections is pretty much a foregone conclusion Councillor Beesley may be or may not be a very competent financial Council leader but I do not get the impression that he is subject to much effective scrutiny which apply applies at the national level ; most people in Bournemouth are effectively shut out of the debate on these matters. There is for example concern over the way the Government has changed the funding of the support given to local Councils for those deemed too poor to justify Council tax being levied- how has this been levied in Bournemouth; there is concern over the use of Council capital balances to fund loans to private businesses. has this been put on indefinite suspension suspension; in this part of Bournemouth many roads and streets have not been swept for months with gutters full of autumn leaves; hanging baskets have been removed rather than replant them. questions on the big overspend on the Surf Reef have not been answered to my knowledge. The democratic process requires full and open debate Gordon Cann
  • Score: 3

9:13am Wed 26 Feb 14

rozmister says...

ShuttleX wrote:
If anybody believes that your Council services will not be affected, you are living on another planet. Mr Beesley knows full well what is going to happen when he rams this new contract down the work forces throat. There is already a lot of resentment because instead of a flat fee, the staff will now get paid their grade rate. This means the workers at the bottom getting paid next to nothing, while the managers sit pretty with their higher grades. That is for doing exactly the same job. I wonder if the Echo will be asking just how much the Council pays out in agency fees. That is going to rocket after July, when the staff employed by the Council will just go sick rather than work the hours Beesley is dictating. The unions have already decided that if any staff get the sack for refusing to sign the new contracts, they will shut the Council down. All those on HB not getting their money. People having to go into hospital because there will be no staff to care for them. Emergency alarms systems not being answered. Bins not getting emptied. No maintenance on any Council housing stock. I would like to see how many Councillors are going to man the out of hours service then. Are they willing to give up the Christmas for standard pay? The ones that are affected are all below Grade 9, which means the bottom end of the ladder. The senior managers won't really be affected at all. Don't discount the Union threat Mr Beesley. I for one would love to see the Council go out on a total strike.
People with Careline systems in their home and vulnerable people who receive care would not be left with no help if there was a strike. Agency staff would be brought in to cover vital services such as care and at a handsome cost to you, the taxpayer.

I find it outrageous you relish the idea of a total strike believing that it would leave vulnerable people alone and without the care they need.
[quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: If anybody believes that your Council services will not be affected, you are living on another planet. Mr Beesley knows full well what is going to happen when he rams this new contract down the work forces throat. There is already a lot of resentment because instead of a flat fee, the staff will now get paid their grade rate. This means the workers at the bottom getting paid next to nothing, while the managers sit pretty with their higher grades. That is for doing exactly the same job. I wonder if the Echo will be asking just how much the Council pays out in agency fees. That is going to rocket after July, when the staff employed by the Council will just go sick rather than work the hours Beesley is dictating. The unions have already decided that if any staff get the sack for refusing to sign the new contracts, they will shut the Council down. All those on HB not getting their money. People having to go into hospital because there will be no staff to care for them. Emergency alarms systems not being answered. Bins not getting emptied. No maintenance on any Council housing stock. I would like to see how many Councillors are going to man the out of hours service then. Are they willing to give up the Christmas for standard pay? The ones that are affected are all below Grade 9, which means the bottom end of the ladder. The senior managers won't really be affected at all. Don't discount the Union threat Mr Beesley. I for one would love to see the Council go out on a total strike.[/p][/quote]People with Careline systems in their home and vulnerable people who receive care would not be left with no help if there was a strike. Agency staff would be brought in to cover vital services such as care and at a handsome cost to you, the taxpayer. I find it outrageous you relish the idea of a total strike believing that it would leave vulnerable people alone and without the care they need. rozmister
  • Score: 0

9:34am Wed 26 Feb 14

beachcomber1 says...

rozmister wrote:
beachcomber1 wrote:
they can afford to freeze because of the stealth tax introduced by central govt last year, which meant many of the poorest and disadvantaged in society were suddenly deprived of Council Tax benefit. so the rich, who can well afford to pay, have their bills frozen while the poor suffer.
The government cut the amount of council tax benefit paid so there's no additional money in the council tax pot it's just come from a different source. The pockets of the poorest are paying that amount rather than central government.
thanks for that info. i didn't know that :-\
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beachcomber1[/bold] wrote: they can afford to freeze because of the stealth tax introduced by central govt last year, which meant many of the poorest and disadvantaged in society were suddenly deprived of Council Tax benefit. so the rich, who can well afford to pay, have their bills frozen while the poor suffer.[/p][/quote]The government cut the amount of council tax benefit paid so there's no additional money in the council tax pot it's just come from a different source. The pockets of the poorest are paying that amount rather than central government.[/p][/quote]thanks for that info. i didn't know that :-\ beachcomber1
  • Score: 1

9:56am Wed 26 Feb 14

BIGTONE says...

“Unlike many other councils up and down the country, Bournemouth council is not being asked to agree a budget that involves cutting hundreds or indeed thousands of jobs, nor the quality of the services it provides,” he said.

No?
That's to come over the next 12 months.
“Unlike many other councils up and down the country, Bournemouth council is not being asked to agree a budget that involves cutting hundreds or indeed thousands of jobs, nor the quality of the services it provides,” he said. No? That's to come over the next 12 months. BIGTONE
  • Score: 2

7:50pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Hessenford says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Thats the way to run the councils budget,
Unde a Labour goverment we had to put up with year on year increses to fund all their Qwangoes,and pay there public secter workers above inflation cost of living rises ,on their pay scales.
no wonder our Council Tax Doubled in the 13 yrs they were in power.
DID you know the Public Secter workers ,recieve arond 40% more in salary than for the same kind of job in the Private Secter,
DID you also know that 30% of your council tax goes strait into their Gold Plated Pention scheme,
No wonder they are all driving around with big grins on their faces.
And we are forced by LAW to pay for it,
For every £! they pay iin ,They take £4 out,
For that kind of pention in the private secter .you would have to pay in £900,000,
So I thank BMTH council for trying to releave the burden ,on us poor council tax payers,
99% of us dont live in Talbot Woods,
Don't know where you get your information from but its total rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Thats the way to run the councils budget, Unde a Labour goverment we had to put up with year on year increses to fund all their Qwangoes,and pay there public secter workers above inflation cost of living rises ,on their pay scales. no wonder our Council Tax Doubled in the 13 yrs they were in power. DID you know the Public Secter workers ,recieve arond 40% more in salary than for the same kind of job in the Private Secter, DID you also know that 30% of your council tax goes strait into their Gold Plated Pention scheme, No wonder they are all driving around with big grins on their faces. And we are forced by LAW to pay for it, For every £! they pay iin ,They take £4 out, For that kind of pention in the private secter .you would have to pay in £900,000, So I thank BMTH council for trying to releave the burden ,on us poor council tax payers, 99% of us dont live in Talbot Woods,[/p][/quote]Don't know where you get your information from but its total rubbish. Hessenford
  • Score: 3

7:19pm Thu 27 Feb 14

ShuttleX says...

rozmister wrote:
ShuttleX wrote:
If anybody believes that your Council services will not be affected, you are living on another planet. Mr Beesley knows full well what is going to happen when he rams this new contract down the work forces throat. There is already a lot of resentment because instead of a flat fee, the staff will now get paid their grade rate. This means the workers at the bottom getting paid next to nothing, while the managers sit pretty with their higher grades. That is for doing exactly the same job. I wonder if the Echo will be asking just how much the Council pays out in agency fees. That is going to rocket after July, when the staff employed by the Council will just go sick rather than work the hours Beesley is dictating. The unions have already decided that if any staff get the sack for refusing to sign the new contracts, they will shut the Council down. All those on HB not getting their money. People having to go into hospital because there will be no staff to care for them. Emergency alarms systems not being answered. Bins not getting emptied. No maintenance on any Council housing stock. I would like to see how many Councillors are going to man the out of hours service then. Are they willing to give up the Christmas for standard pay? The ones that are affected are all below Grade 9, which means the bottom end of the ladder. The senior managers won't really be affected at all. Don't discount the Union threat Mr Beesley. I for one would love to see the Council go out on a total strike.
People with Careline systems in their home and vulnerable people who receive care would not be left with no help if there was a strike. Agency staff would be brought in to cover vital services such as care and at a handsome cost to you, the taxpayer.

I find it outrageous you relish the idea of a total strike believing that it would leave vulnerable people alone and without the care they need.
Your post contradicts itself rozmister. You say the Council will bring in Agency staff to cover careline, then say I am wrong to wish for a strike that would hurt them? How do you work that out?. How about the Council staff who have just got letters telling them they will have to sign the new contracts, or they will be sacked? The letters are actually headed "Formal Consultation on Proposed Changes to Staff Terms and Conditions of Employment" The term Consultation would normally mean talking and listening. Then the letter goes on to say "Employees who do not accept reengagement (under the new contracts they have no say in) will no longer be employees of the Council". Now that sounds like a good consultation doesn't it? Some of the staff will have to work longer and for less money. Would you be happy to get called out 6/8/10 times a night, for a third of what you used to get? Overtime at weekends will now be normal time, and you HAVE to do it or be sacked. Bank holidays are the same. You will no longer get any extra for working shifts or nights, just your normal time, and for a lot that means less than £8 per hour.So yes, I would like to see the Unions call a total strike. Not just the odd day or two, but for a month at least.
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: If anybody believes that your Council services will not be affected, you are living on another planet. Mr Beesley knows full well what is going to happen when he rams this new contract down the work forces throat. There is already a lot of resentment because instead of a flat fee, the staff will now get paid their grade rate. This means the workers at the bottom getting paid next to nothing, while the managers sit pretty with their higher grades. That is for doing exactly the same job. I wonder if the Echo will be asking just how much the Council pays out in agency fees. That is going to rocket after July, when the staff employed by the Council will just go sick rather than work the hours Beesley is dictating. The unions have already decided that if any staff get the sack for refusing to sign the new contracts, they will shut the Council down. All those on HB not getting their money. People having to go into hospital because there will be no staff to care for them. Emergency alarms systems not being answered. Bins not getting emptied. No maintenance on any Council housing stock. I would like to see how many Councillors are going to man the out of hours service then. Are they willing to give up the Christmas for standard pay? The ones that are affected are all below Grade 9, which means the bottom end of the ladder. The senior managers won't really be affected at all. Don't discount the Union threat Mr Beesley. I for one would love to see the Council go out on a total strike.[/p][/quote]People with Careline systems in their home and vulnerable people who receive care would not be left with no help if there was a strike. Agency staff would be brought in to cover vital services such as care and at a handsome cost to you, the taxpayer. I find it outrageous you relish the idea of a total strike believing that it would leave vulnerable people alone and without the care they need.[/p][/quote]Your post contradicts itself rozmister. You say the Council will bring in Agency staff to cover careline, then say I am wrong to wish for a strike that would hurt them? How do you work that out?. How about the Council staff who have just got letters telling them they will have to sign the new contracts, or they will be sacked? The letters are actually headed "Formal Consultation on Proposed Changes to Staff Terms and Conditions of Employment" The term Consultation would normally mean talking and listening. Then the letter goes on to say "Employees who do not accept reengagement (under the new contracts they have no say in) will no longer be employees of the Council". Now that sounds like a good consultation doesn't it? Some of the staff will have to work longer and for less money. Would you be happy to get called out 6/8/10 times a night, for a third of what you used to get? Overtime at weekends will now be normal time, and you HAVE to do it or be sacked. Bank holidays are the same. You will no longer get any extra for working shifts or nights, just your normal time, and for a lot that means less than £8 per hour.So yes, I would like to see the Unions call a total strike. Not just the odd day or two, but for a month at least. ShuttleX
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