CCTV: The moment a man with Asperger's Syndrome is killed with a single punch

Lewis Gill punches Andrew Young in the head in Charminster Road

Mr Young, who had Asperger's Syndrome, is left lying in the road while Gill walks away

Victim Andrew Young

Lewis Gill, who pleaded guilty to a single charge of manslaughter

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THIS is the moment that a man with Asperger’s Syndrome was killed with a single punch to the head.

Andrew Young died after 20-year-old Lewis Gill lashed out in November last year.

Tragically, the 40-year-old is the fourth man to die in 13 years in Bournemouth from one punch.

Now those behind a national campaign to make people think twice before acting violently have spoken out.

A spokesperson from initiative One Punch Can Kill said: “We want this campaign to make people think twice about their actions.

“Remember, if you avoid trouble, control your anger and walk away, you could not only save your life but someone else’s as well.”

Mr Young had previously exchanged words with Gill’s acquaintance, Victor Ibitoye, who had been riding a pedal cycle on the pavement in Charminster Road.

Overhearing the exchange, Gill punched Mr Young who collapsed onto the road behind him.
He died the next day, November 7, at Southampton General Hospital.

Warning: this CCTV footage contains graphic scenes of a violent incident

This CCTV footage was shown at Salisbury Crown Court on Friday as Gill was sentenced for manslaughter.

In it, the victim, who is circled in yellow, is struck by Gill, circled in red.

Mr Young’s mother Pamela was heard to gasp as she saw the footage for the first time.

Sentencing Gill to four-and-a-half years in prison, Judge Keith Cutler said: “You threw a forceful and vicious punch at [Mr Young].

“He clearly was not any physical threat.”

Mr Young is one of four victims felled by a single blow in recent years.

Clive Wilcox, 42, was killed on Friday, May 4 2001 after an altercation with Daniel Scott, now 33, outside the One Stop shop in Winton.

Scott was jailed for a total of five years and one month for manslaughter and possessing and using a false passport in October last year.

Nathan Ridler, 17, was attempting to stop a fight in Bournemouth town centre when he was killed on February 24, 2008.

CCTV footage showed he had his hands in his pockets when he was attacked.

Jamie Lee Sloane, then 18, was jailed for three years and three months after admitting manslaughter.

Jason Peers, 38, was killed on the same night after being punched in the car park of the Dolphin pub in Holdenhurst Road.

Jeremy Warren, then 30, of Adeline Road, Boscombe, was jailed for three years for manslaughter.

Gill was sentenced to four years for manslaughter, and two three-month prison terms for run consecutively for committing the offence while on a suspended sentence and for handling stolen goods.

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6:23pm Mon 24 Feb 14

hooplaa says...

Poor guy
Poor guy hooplaa
  • Score: 45

6:31pm Mon 24 Feb 14

O'Reilly says...

He was an inoffensive chap, remember him having a pint with an elderly gent in the Commodore pub last summer....shocking way to end your life.
He was an inoffensive chap, remember him having a pint with an elderly gent in the Commodore pub last summer....shocking way to end your life. O'Reilly
  • Score: 50

6:37pm Mon 24 Feb 14

High Treason says...

"A spokesperson from initiative One Punch Can Kill said: “We want this campaign to make people think twice about their actions."

What we want is some proper justice. If the police adopted a zero tolerance with all crime and anti social behaviour these situations would rarely arise. The young get away with to much and grow up with no deterants. This country is heading for big social problems.
"A spokesperson from initiative One Punch Can Kill said: “We want this campaign to make people think twice about their actions." What we want is some proper justice. If the police adopted a zero tolerance with all crime and anti social behaviour these situations would rarely arise. The young get away with to much and grow up with no deterants. This country is heading for big social problems. High Treason
  • Score: 140

6:40pm Mon 24 Feb 14

contric says...

we dont mind sending drones to kill people sometimes killing innocent families but we wont hang low life parasitical scum like gill because we like to think we are civilised as said in posts last week this country is well and truly ducked and i for one realise as i get older the lack of justice system will do nothing for me and that is why i have my own protection as i get older i can honestly say i have no feelings for the country or a lot of the things foisted on me by the imbiciles who make the decisions
we dont mind sending drones to kill people sometimes killing innocent families but we wont hang low life parasitical scum like gill because we like to think we are civilised as said in posts last week this country is well and truly ducked and i for one realise as i get older the lack of justice system will do nothing for me and that is why i have my own protection as i get older i can honestly say i have no feelings for the country or a lot of the things foisted on me by the imbiciles who make the decisions contric
  • Score: 55

6:40pm Mon 24 Feb 14

contric says...

we dont mind sending drones to kill people sometimes killing innocent families but we wont hang low life parasitical scum like gill because we like to think we are civilised as said in posts last week this country is well and truly ducked and i for one realise as i get older the lack of justice system will do nothing for me and that is why i have my own protection as i get older i can honestly say i have no feelings for the country or a lot of the things foisted on me by the imbiciles who make the decisions
we dont mind sending drones to kill people sometimes killing innocent families but we wont hang low life parasitical scum like gill because we like to think we are civilised as said in posts last week this country is well and truly ducked and i for one realise as i get older the lack of justice system will do nothing for me and that is why i have my own protection as i get older i can honestly say i have no feelings for the country or a lot of the things foisted on me by the imbiciles who make the decisions contric
  • Score: 5

6:54pm Mon 24 Feb 14

politicaltrainspotter says...

Sewage journalism, Daily Echo. A man has lost his life.Yet, you show CCTV images of it.Did you ask or seeks the family and friends opinion.It must of been distressing enough for those close to him but to replay it is beyond me and humanity Just what have you gained ?

Many might disagree with me but i think you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and question your morales.
Sewage journalism, Daily Echo. A man has lost his life.Yet, you show CCTV images of it.Did you ask or seeks the family and friends opinion.It must of been distressing enough for those close to him but to replay it is beyond me and humanity Just what have you gained ? Many might disagree with me but i think you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and question your morales. politicaltrainspotter
  • Score: 243

7:00pm Mon 24 Feb 14

BIGTONE says...

Should have got 20 years for Actus reus.

The law and the CPS is an A55.
Should have got 20 years for Actus reus. The law and the CPS is an A55. BIGTONE
  • Score: 87

7:12pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Bob49 says...

politicaltrainspotte
r
wrote:
Sewage journalism, Daily Echo. A man has lost his life.Yet, you show CCTV images of it.Did you ask or seeks the family and friends opinion.It must of been distressing enough for those close to him but to replay it is beyond me and humanity Just what have you gained ?

Many might disagree with me but i think you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and question your morales.
Wise words

The Echo needs to tell us whether this footage was released in agreement with this poor chaps family or is it just sensationalism on their part.
[quote][p][bold]politicaltrainspotte r[/bold] wrote: Sewage journalism, Daily Echo. A man has lost his life.Yet, you show CCTV images of it.Did you ask or seeks the family and friends opinion.It must of been distressing enough for those close to him but to replay it is beyond me and humanity Just what have you gained ? Many might disagree with me but i think you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and question your morales.[/p][/quote]Wise words The Echo needs to tell us whether this footage was released in agreement with this poor chaps family or is it just sensationalism on their part. Bob49
  • Score: 92

7:13pm Mon 24 Feb 14

s-pb2 says...

politicaltrainspotte
r
wrote:
Sewage journalism, Daily Echo. A man has lost his life.Yet, you show CCTV images of it.Did you ask or seeks the family and friends opinion.It must of been distressing enough for those close to him but to replay it is beyond me and humanity Just what have you gained ?

Many might disagree with me but i think you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and question your morales.
Completely agree. I did not watch the footage, because I have far more respect for the dead that the Echo have.

I can just imagine the journalist whooping with the delight once they got their hands on the footage and they could put it on their site. Sick.
[quote][p][bold]politicaltrainspotte r[/bold] wrote: Sewage journalism, Daily Echo. A man has lost his life.Yet, you show CCTV images of it.Did you ask or seeks the family and friends opinion.It must of been distressing enough for those close to him but to replay it is beyond me and humanity Just what have you gained ? Many might disagree with me but i think you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and question your morales.[/p][/quote]Completely agree. I did not watch the footage, because I have far more respect for the dead that the Echo have. I can just imagine the journalist whooping with the delight once they got their hands on the footage and they could put it on their site. Sick. s-pb2
  • Score: 88

7:17pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Brock_and_Roll says...

BIGTONE wrote:
Should have got 20 years for Actus reus.

The law and the CPS is an A55.
What on earth are you going on about? - there is no such crime as "actus reus". The law here is working exactly how it should - the crime is manslaughter and the punishment is a long stretch inside. Look at most countries in the world and you will be very thankful of our justice system.

Although this is a shocking crime, it is not murder. If you are going to get all Latin on us, the key phrase is "mens rea" - the prosecution need to prove the "intention to kill" and that death or grievous bodily harm is a virtually certain consequence of the defendant's act.

Unfortunately people are, and have always been punched in the head all the time as can be seen on any weekend high street and of course the vast majority of these do not end in serious harm......so from a legal perspective the charge cannot be murder. Still scum though.
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Should have got 20 years for Actus reus. The law and the CPS is an A55.[/p][/quote]What on earth are you going on about? - there is no such crime as "actus reus". The law here is working exactly how it should - the crime is manslaughter and the punishment is a long stretch inside. Look at most countries in the world and you will be very thankful of our justice system. Although this is a shocking crime, it is not murder. If you are going to get all Latin on us, the key phrase is "mens rea" [guilty mind] - the prosecution need to prove the "intention to kill" and that death or grievous bodily harm is a virtually certain consequence of the defendant's act. Unfortunately people are, and have always been punched in the head all the time as can be seen on any weekend high street and of course the vast majority of these do not end in serious harm......so from a legal perspective the charge cannot be murder. Still scum though. Brock_and_Roll
  • Score: 11

7:20pm Mon 24 Feb 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Welcome to Bournemouth,
Welcome to Bournemouth, kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 6

7:23pm Mon 24 Feb 14

ifordcherry says...

The excuse of a man that done this is SCUM and he will get his comeupance..My hope is that he dies a horrible death like he inflicted....You want to live in the animal world you accept the consequences scumbag.....How easy is it to pick soft targets ???You are just apiece of flotsam and i really do wish you a horrible life.
The excuse of a man that done this is SCUM and he will get his comeupance..My hope is that he dies a horrible death like he inflicted....You want to live in the animal world you accept the consequences scumbag.....How easy is it to pick soft targets ???You are just apiece of flotsam and i really do wish you a horrible life. ifordcherry
  • Score: 63

7:31pm Mon 24 Feb 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Welcome to the show case of British justice.Bournemouth
Welcome to the show case of British justice.Bournemouth kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 25

7:35pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Brock_and_Roll says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Welcome to the show case of British justice.Bournemouth
Yep. Charged, pleaded guilty, sentenced, jailed.
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: Welcome to the show case of British justice.Bournemouth[/p][/quote]Yep. Charged, pleaded guilty, sentenced, jailed. Brock_and_Roll
  • Score: -15

7:56pm Mon 24 Feb 14

yasinac says...

R.I.P Jason Peers. Think of you and my other Strouden friends often. You made the world a sunnier place.
R.I.P Jason Peers. Think of you and my other Strouden friends often. You made the world a sunnier place. yasinac
  • Score: 32

7:56pm Mon 24 Feb 14

BIGTONE says...

Brock_and_Roll says...
The law here is working exactly how it should - the crime is manslaughter and the punishment is a long stretch inside. Look at most countries in the world and you will be very thankful of our justice system........

Are you having a laugh....you call 4+half years for killing someone a long stretch? He'll be out in 3 with good behaviour. I recon your true vocation is a law judge. You will do really well with the views you hold.....out of touch.

These violent thugs needs anything that will keep them inside for 20. Years.
Brock_and_Roll says... The law here is working exactly how it should - the crime is manslaughter and the punishment is a long stretch inside. Look at most countries in the world and you will be very thankful of our justice system........ Are you having a laugh....you call 4+half years for killing someone a long stretch? He'll be out in 3 with good behaviour. I recon your true vocation is a law judge. You will do really well with the views you hold.....out of touch. These violent thugs needs anything that will keep them inside for 20. Years. BIGTONE
  • Score: 63

8:02pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Paul. A says...

Very poor taste from the Echo to post this video.
Very poor taste from the Echo to post this video. Paul. A
  • Score: 65

8:03pm Mon 24 Feb 14

GreenBanana says...

Wow..... the things the echo will do to get readers/viewers.

Sensationalisation of a mans murder.

AND - 4 Years - Out in 2 - absolute JOKE

This scum decided to assault somebody, yes, ok, he probably was not expecting to kill them, be he did......... 4 years to take a life makes me feel sick.

There is something very wrong with the system, and the way the echo feed from it.
Wow..... the things the echo will do to get readers/viewers. Sensationalisation of a mans murder. AND - 4 Years - Out in 2 - absolute JOKE This scum decided to assault somebody, yes, ok, he probably was not expecting to kill them, be he did......... 4 years to take a life makes me feel sick. There is something very wrong with the system, and the way the echo feed from it. GreenBanana
  • Score: 63

8:20pm Mon 24 Feb 14

LordLilliput says...

Echo, you are an out and out utter DISCRACE.

I don't care what justification or reasoning you may claim, you have just shown for all to see a man being murdered.

What a complete bunch of soulless, amateur and attention seeking wannabes you are. If you have any moral standards left, remove this content now.

I'm used to your daily inadequate efforts at portraying 'news' but this is another level. At the risk of repeating myself you are a complete discrace to journalism and the local community.
Echo, you are an out and out utter DISCRACE. I don't care what justification or reasoning you may claim, you have just shown for all to see a man being murdered. What a complete bunch of soulless, amateur and attention seeking wannabes you are. If you have any moral standards left, remove this content now. I'm used to your daily inadequate efforts at portraying 'news' but this is another level. At the risk of repeating myself you are a complete discrace to journalism and the local community. LordLilliput
  • Score: 91

8:33pm Mon 24 Feb 14

fireflier says...

An eye for an eye !!!!

This thug is lucky with 41/2 years!!!!! Whatever he meant /or not ..his one punch took a life. If you don't want this sort of thing to happen ..keep the hands in the pockets!
An eye for an eye !!!! This thug is lucky with 41/2 years!!!!! Whatever he meant /or not ..his one punch took a life. If you don't want this sort of thing to happen ..keep the hands in the pockets! fireflier
  • Score: 27

8:37pm Mon 24 Feb 14

EddieVH says...

Gutter journalism at its worst. How do you sleep at night Toby Granville ?

For those as outraged as I am that the Echo would sink so low as to make money (see those adverts?) from showing a man's death, I'd point you to the Press Complaints Commission:

http://www.pcc.org.u
k/complaints/form.ht
ml
Gutter journalism at its worst. How do you sleep at night Toby Granville ? For those as outraged as I am that the Echo would sink so low as to make money (see those adverts?) from showing a man's death, I'd point you to the Press Complaints Commission: http://www.pcc.org.u k/complaints/form.ht ml EddieVH
  • Score: 52

8:53pm Mon 24 Feb 14

kangman2012 says...

So what is the "Asperger's syndrome" link Echo. Absolutely nothing in the "story" about this man's condition or whether it was a contributing factor. Just another sensationalist headline from an increasingly dire publication to sell advertising space no doubt. What the hell happened to your journalistic "ethics" - non-existent springs to mind - shameful. The worm will turn Echo, beware!
So what is the "Asperger's syndrome" link Echo. Absolutely nothing in the "story" about this man's condition or whether it was a contributing factor. Just another sensationalist headline from an increasingly dire publication to sell advertising space no doubt. What the hell happened to your journalistic "ethics" - non-existent springs to mind - shameful. The worm will turn Echo, beware! kangman2012
  • Score: 30

8:53pm Mon 24 Feb 14

queendobby says...

Rip Jason. Can't believe it's been 6yrs today. Love to all the family x
Rip Jason. Can't believe it's been 6yrs today. Love to all the family x queendobby
  • Score: 21

8:54pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Lewcee says...

I object most strongly - this should NOT have been shown. The Echo Editorial Staff are as Moronic as the idiot who threw the punch. I refuse to watch it, and I am so aggrieved that until you apologise to the victim's family and your readers, I will not buy your paper again, or look at your website. You are unspeakable morons, and I despise you.
I object most strongly - this should NOT have been shown. The Echo Editorial Staff are as Moronic as the idiot who threw the punch. I refuse to watch it, and I am so aggrieved that until you apologise to the victim's family and your readers, I will not buy your paper again, or look at your website. You are unspeakable morons, and I despise you. Lewcee
  • Score: 47

9:02pm Mon 24 Feb 14

hadvar says...

Low, low stuff, from the 'Daily Mail' school of journalism. Clearly we are witnessing a race to the bottom. What next, a 'sidebar of shame' where you show pics of 'celebs' and their children? You should be thoughoghly ashamed of yourselves. Zero Class.
Low, low stuff, from the 'Daily Mail' school of journalism. Clearly we are witnessing a race to the bottom. What next, a 'sidebar of shame' where you show pics of 'celebs' and their children? You should be thoughoghly ashamed of yourselves. Zero Class. hadvar
  • Score: 22

9:41pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Broomers2003 says...

I regularly spoke with the victim of this awful crime, as he was a passenger on the buses I drive, usually travelling between lower and upper Charminster. He was a lovely guy, very intelligent and well-spoken, who meant no harm to anyone. It is sad to hear of his passing in such a tragic way.

The man he was having an altercation with about the bike knew to walk away, quite why Gill felt he needed to do what he did is anybody's guess. Four years is not enough.
I regularly spoke with the victim of this awful crime, as he was a passenger on the buses I drive, usually travelling between lower and upper Charminster. He was a lovely guy, very intelligent and well-spoken, who meant no harm to anyone. It is sad to hear of his passing in such a tragic way. The man he was having an altercation with about the bike knew to walk away, quite why Gill felt he needed to do what he did is anybody's guess. Four years is not enough. Broomers2003
  • Score: 48

9:49pm Mon 24 Feb 14

whataboutthat says...

Thanks for the snuff movie Echo.
Thanks for the snuff movie Echo. whataboutthat
  • Score: -13

10:27pm Mon 24 Feb 14

typ nowhere says...

EddieVH wrote:
Gutter journalism at its worst. How do you sleep at night Toby Granville ?

For those as outraged as I am that the Echo would sink so low as to make money (see those adverts?) from showing a man's death, I'd point you to the Press Complaints Commission:

http://www.pcc.org.u

k/complaints/form.ht

ml
First of all condolences to the poor mans family.
But to answer the above question, no I do not see any of the echos advets as I use adblock plus.
[quote][p][bold]EddieVH[/bold] wrote: Gutter journalism at its worst. How do you sleep at night Toby Granville ? For those as outraged as I am that the Echo would sink so low as to make money (see those adverts?) from showing a man's death, I'd point you to the Press Complaints Commission: http://www.pcc.org.u k/complaints/form.ht ml[/p][/quote]First of all condolences to the poor mans family. But to answer the above question, no I do not see any of the echos advets as I use adblock plus. typ nowhere
  • Score: -14

10:30pm Mon 24 Feb 14

dylexic bobert says...

And they just casually stroll off down the road.
R.I.P Mr young.
Vengeance is mine says the Lord!
4 and a half years in chokey just a little taster of what life has in store for Mr Gill hopefully.
And they just casually stroll off down the road. R.I.P Mr young. Vengeance is mine says the Lord! 4 and a half years in chokey just a little taster of what life has in store for Mr Gill hopefully. dylexic bobert
  • Score: 17

10:45pm Mon 24 Feb 14

deanmatthews1966 says...

They're looking at minimum mandatory sentences for one punch here in Australia, big campaign to change the name from one punch/king hit to cowards punch, not that that will help any of the victims, but a minimum 8 year sentence if you are under the influence of alcohol or drugs and you kill someone in a fight would hopefully make a few people think before they start. As everyone knows the do gooders have changed society so no kids have any fear or respect for authority, including elder people and parents.
They're looking at minimum mandatory sentences for one punch here in Australia, big campaign to change the name from one punch/king hit to cowards punch, not that that will help any of the victims, but a minimum 8 year sentence if you are under the influence of alcohol or drugs and you kill someone in a fight would hopefully make a few people think before they start. As everyone knows the do gooders have changed society so no kids have any fear or respect for authority, including elder people and parents. deanmatthews1966
  • Score: 22

10:49pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Yankee1 says...

In my state, that would carry mandatory life imprisonment. He would just miss the death penalty, which is used.

No doubt he will be back on the streets in a few years.
In my state, that would carry mandatory life imprisonment. He would just miss the death penalty, which is used. No doubt he will be back on the streets in a few years. Yankee1
  • Score: 32

10:52pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Yankee1 says...

politicaltrainspotte
r
wrote:
Sewage journalism, Daily Echo. A man has lost his life.Yet, you show CCTV images of it.Did you ask or seeks the family and friends opinion.It must of been distressing enough for those close to him but to replay it is beyond me and humanity Just what have you gained ?

Many might disagree with me but i think you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and question your morales.
It occurred on a public pavement in full view of the public. I would be surprised if the Echo did not seek his family's permission. It is an important subject that should not be swept under the carpet.
[quote][p][bold]politicaltrainspotte r[/bold] wrote: Sewage journalism, Daily Echo. A man has lost his life.Yet, you show CCTV images of it.Did you ask or seeks the family and friends opinion.It must of been distressing enough for those close to him but to replay it is beyond me and humanity Just what have you gained ? Many might disagree with me but i think you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and question your morales.[/p][/quote]It occurred on a public pavement in full view of the public. I would be surprised if the Echo did not seek his family's permission. It is an important subject that should not be swept under the carpet. Yankee1
  • Score: 2

10:53pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Yankee1 says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Welcome to the show case of British justice.Bournemouth
Bournemouth really is sinking fast.
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: Welcome to the show case of British justice.Bournemouth[/p][/quote]Bournemouth really is sinking fast. Yankee1
  • Score: 8

10:57pm Mon 24 Feb 14

LongDistanceRunner2 says...

Formal Complaint.

Please include this comment in the number of complaints received about showing the video of someone being killed.

It's completely unacceptable. I hope that you are fined over this matter.
Formal Complaint. Please include this comment in the number of complaints received about showing the video of someone being killed. It's completely unacceptable. I hope that you are fined over this matter. LongDistanceRunner2
  • Score: 29

11:29pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Bournemouth Ohec says...

Shame on you Bournemouth Echo.
Shame on you Bournemouth Echo. Bournemouth Ohec
  • Score: 28

1:10am Tue 25 Feb 14

Berriano says...

As there is an initiative called "One punch can kill",and most people with half a brain know "One punch can kill",then surely the case could have been tried as murder as the defendant knew he could kill him with a single punch.Imo the law should be changed to reflect the initiative of "One punch can kill" and prosecute anyone who punches anyone in the head with a mandatory sentence of at least 10 years.Would anyone seriously consider punching anyone in the head if they thought they could be locked up for at least 5 years!!The English justice system is one of the many reasons i now live in Australia!
As there is an initiative called "One punch can kill",and most people with half a brain know "One punch can kill",then surely the case could have been tried as murder as the defendant knew he could kill him with a single punch.Imo the law should be changed to reflect the initiative of "One punch can kill" and prosecute anyone who punches anyone in the head with a mandatory sentence of at least 10 years.Would anyone seriously consider punching anyone in the head if they thought they could be locked up for at least 5 years!!The English justice system is one of the many reasons i now live in Australia! Berriano
  • Score: 19

3:01am Tue 25 Feb 14

aamy1999 says...

It is absurd that nobody mentions why the man was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and Mr Ibitoye, there are number of witnesses that hear Mr Young been racist . Mr Gill's intention was not to kill Mr Young, but unfortunately Mr Young did die that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions. Im not saying that anyone has the right to punch anybody, but nobody is perfect and people can be provoked.
It is absurd that nobody mentions why the man was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and Mr Ibitoye, there are number of witnesses that hear Mr Young been racist . Mr Gill's intention was not to kill Mr Young, but unfortunately Mr Young did die that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions. Im not saying that anyone has the right to punch anybody, but nobody is perfect and people can be provoked. aamy1999
  • Score: -78

3:10am Tue 25 Feb 14

aamy1999 says...

It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.
It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked. aamy1999
  • Score: -69

3:22am Tue 25 Feb 14

whataboutthat says...

Yes, precisely what provoked Gill to lash out? Doesn't seem as if he was out hunting down 'white boys'. Two sides to a story - always. But the publishing of this video is an offensive act by the Echo. It's now copied and all over the sicko sites on the net.
Yes, precisely what provoked Gill to lash out? Doesn't seem as if he was out hunting down 'white boys'. Two sides to a story - always. But the publishing of this video is an offensive act by the Echo. It's now copied and all over the sicko sites on the net. whataboutthat
  • Score: -42

3:38am Tue 25 Feb 14

aamy1999 says...

whataboutthat wrote:
Yes, precisely what provoked Gill to lash out? Doesn't seem as if he was out hunting down 'white boys'. Two sides to a story - always. But the publishing of this video is an offensive act by the Echo. It's now copied and all over the sicko sites on the net.
what provoked Gill is never spoken of. Im not justifying his actions. regards to ''A spokesperson from initiative One Punch Can Kill said: “We want this campaign to make people think twice about their actions.“Remember, if you avoid trouble, control your anger and walk away, you could not only save your life but someone else’s as well.” Just as a campaign for 'one punch can kill' has been made a campaign to tackle racism should be made to make people aware that you should think of what you say, as you never know how much you are able to offend somebody and know what their reaction will be and what consequences will follow. Yes your correct to say that who ever put this video up are sickos and something should be done about it even thought it's pretty much too late
[quote][p][bold]whataboutthat[/bold] wrote: Yes, precisely what provoked Gill to lash out? Doesn't seem as if he was out hunting down 'white boys'. Two sides to a story - always. But the publishing of this video is an offensive act by the Echo. It's now copied and all over the sicko sites on the net.[/p][/quote]what provoked Gill is never spoken of. Im not justifying his actions. regards to ''A spokesperson from initiative One Punch Can Kill said: “We want this campaign to make people think twice about their actions.“Remember, if you avoid trouble, control your anger and walk away, you could not only save your life but someone else’s as well.” Just as a campaign for 'one punch can kill' has been made a campaign to tackle racism should be made to make people aware that you should think of what you say, as you never know how much you are able to offend somebody and know what their reaction will be and what consequences will follow. Yes your correct to say that who ever put this video up are sickos and something should be done about it even thought it's pretty much too late aamy1999
  • Score: -44

5:29am Tue 25 Feb 14

ASM says...

i agree that it is poor taste of the echo for showing the cctv footage. I watched it and think that it was completely unnecessary for him to hit the guy as the dispute seemed over and it was vicious, unexpected and a cheap shot. He showed no remorse or concern for the guy who lay on the floor, I am disgusted by what I saw and think 10 years would be more of a fair sentence because obviously he didn't want to kill the man, but still he is a thug and a dangerous piece of garbage that shouldn't be mixed with civil members of public, as he proved.
i agree that it is poor taste of the echo for showing the cctv footage. I watched it and think that it was completely unnecessary for him to hit the guy as the dispute seemed over and it was vicious, unexpected and a cheap shot. He showed no remorse or concern for the guy who lay on the floor, I am disgusted by what I saw and think 10 years would be more of a fair sentence because obviously he didn't want to kill the man, but still he is a thug and a dangerous piece of garbage that shouldn't be mixed with civil members of public, as he proved. ASM
  • Score: 27

7:36am Tue 25 Feb 14

wool525 says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Should have got 20 years for Actus reus.

The law and the CPS is an A55.
What on earth are you going on about? - there is no such crime as "actus reus". The law here is working exactly how it should - the crime is manslaughter and the punishment is a long stretch inside. Look at most countries in the world and you will be very thankful of our justice system.

Although this is a shocking crime, it is not murder. If you are going to get all Latin on us, the key phrase is "mens rea" - the prosecution need to prove the "intention to kill" and that death or grievous bodily harm is a virtually certain consequence of the defendant's act.

Unfortunately people are, and have always been punched in the head all the time as can be seen on any weekend high street and of course the vast majority of these do not end in serious harm......so from a legal perspective the charge cannot be murder. Still scum though.
the law should be life for a life, whats wrong with this country ?
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Should have got 20 years for Actus reus. The law and the CPS is an A55.[/p][/quote]What on earth are you going on about? - there is no such crime as "actus reus". The law here is working exactly how it should - the crime is manslaughter and the punishment is a long stretch inside. Look at most countries in the world and you will be very thankful of our justice system. Although this is a shocking crime, it is not murder. If you are going to get all Latin on us, the key phrase is "mens rea" [guilty mind] - the prosecution need to prove the "intention to kill" and that death or grievous bodily harm is a virtually certain consequence of the defendant's act. Unfortunately people are, and have always been punched in the head all the time as can be seen on any weekend high street and of course the vast majority of these do not end in serious harm......so from a legal perspective the charge cannot be murder. Still scum though.[/p][/quote]the law should be life for a life, whats wrong with this country ? wool525
  • Score: 7

8:30am Tue 25 Feb 14

darth vader says...

RIP Andrew from a fellow old Bournemouthian.
RIP Andrew from a fellow old Bournemouthian. darth vader
  • Score: 15

8:59am Tue 25 Feb 14

WHYNOT says...

whataboutthat wrote:
Yes, precisely what provoked Gill to lash out? Doesn't seem as if he was out hunting down 'white boys'. Two sides to a story - always. But the publishing of this video is an offensive act by the Echo. It's now copied and all over the sicko sites on the net.
how do you know it's copied and all over the sicko sites on the net ? seen it ?
[quote][p][bold]whataboutthat[/bold] wrote: Yes, precisely what provoked Gill to lash out? Doesn't seem as if he was out hunting down 'white boys'. Two sides to a story - always. But the publishing of this video is an offensive act by the Echo. It's now copied and all over the sicko sites on the net.[/p][/quote]how do you know it's copied and all over the sicko sites on the net ? seen it ? WHYNOT
  • Score: 5

9:17am Tue 25 Feb 14

TheDistrict says...

This Scumbag should have a received a much longer sentence. Why, because he nothing to do with the initial altercation. The victim was in a conversation with the man on the bicycle, who decided to move along, as did the girl. Gill, decided without provocation to give the impression he was walking on, and then DELIBERATELY turned an forcefully punch Andrew Young in the face, which caused him to fall backwards. Now whether the initial punch caused the fatality, or his head crashing against the hard surface of the road. This would not have happened if Gill had not delivered that fateful blow to the head. It appears that none of this was brought to the courts. I might be wrong, but the sentence proves it may not have.

RIP Andy Young, and our condolences and sympathies to his family and friends.
This Scumbag should have a received a much longer sentence. Why, because he nothing to do with the initial altercation. The victim was in a conversation with the man on the bicycle, who decided to move along, as did the girl. Gill, decided without provocation to give the impression he was walking on, and then DELIBERATELY turned an forcefully punch Andrew Young in the face, which caused him to fall backwards. Now whether the initial punch caused the fatality, or his head crashing against the hard surface of the road. This would not have happened if Gill had not delivered that fateful blow to the head. It appears that none of this was brought to the courts. I might be wrong, but the sentence proves it may not have. RIP Andy Young, and our condolences and sympathies to his family and friends. TheDistrict
  • Score: 13

9:19am Tue 25 Feb 14

rozmister says...

I find the footage shocking but maybe that's the point of releasing it, it hits home the impact one punch has in a pretty clear way.

aamy1999 - It doesn't matter what was said, you don't attack someone like that. Racist or not he didn't deserve to die in the streer.
There are already campaigns against racist behaviour such as 'Show racism the red card' to name but one. Try using Google. At the end of the day, racism doesn't kill but one punch does.
I find the footage shocking but maybe that's the point of releasing it, it hits home the impact one punch has in a pretty clear way. aamy1999 - It doesn't matter what was said, you don't attack someone like that. Racist or not he didn't deserve to die in the streer. There are already campaigns against racist behaviour such as 'Show racism the red card' to name but one. Try using Google. At the end of the day, racism doesn't kill but one punch does. rozmister
  • Score: 26

9:36am Tue 25 Feb 14

Valerie W. says...

Premeditated or not, it was avoidable and, as such, a very heavy sentence should have been pronounced.
As in many of the above comments, I find this article undignified and sleazy, representative of the area it describes and the hysteria it intends to provoke.
Premeditated or not, it was avoidable and, as such, a very heavy sentence should have been pronounced. As in many of the above comments, I find this article undignified and sleazy, representative of the area it describes and the hysteria it intends to provoke. Valerie W.
  • Score: 14

9:37am Tue 25 Feb 14

spryte67 says...

Reporting of the case is one thing that I have no objection with at all. I do object to the video footage being shown. This is very poor journalism, in fact rock bottom. I personally haven't bought your newspaper since the price rocketed. I would expect you to lose many more readers now. The question is Mr Editor "why do we need to see a man dying"? I don't suppose you will answer this question though.
Reporting of the case is one thing that I have no objection with at all. I do object to the video footage being shown. This is very poor journalism, in fact rock bottom. I personally haven't bought your newspaper since the price rocketed. I would expect you to lose many more readers now. The question is Mr Editor "why do we need to see a man dying"? I don't suppose you will answer this question though. spryte67
  • Score: 18

9:49am Tue 25 Feb 14

AndyJB14 says...

aamy1999 wrote:
whataboutthat wrote:
Yes, precisely what provoked Gill to lash out? Doesn't seem as if he was out hunting down 'white boys'. Two sides to a story - always. But the publishing of this video is an offensive act by the Echo. It's now copied and all over the sicko sites on the net.
what provoked Gill is never spoken of. Im not justifying his actions. regards to ''A spokesperson from initiative One Punch Can Kill said: “We want this campaign to make people think twice about their actions.“Remember, if you avoid trouble, control your anger and walk away, you could not only save your life but someone else’s as well.” Just as a campaign for 'one punch can kill' has been made a campaign to tackle racism should be made to make people aware that you should think of what you say, as you never know how much you are able to offend somebody and know what their reaction will be and what consequences will follow. Yes your correct to say that who ever put this video up are sickos and something should be done about it even thought it's pretty much too late
I think you should quit with your cr@p now. Have some thought for the poor guys family before you start playing the racism card.
Shameful post.
[quote][p][bold]aamy1999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whataboutthat[/bold] wrote: Yes, precisely what provoked Gill to lash out? Doesn't seem as if he was out hunting down 'white boys'. Two sides to a story - always. But the publishing of this video is an offensive act by the Echo. It's now copied and all over the sicko sites on the net.[/p][/quote]what provoked Gill is never spoken of. Im not justifying his actions. regards to ''A spokesperson from initiative One Punch Can Kill said: “We want this campaign to make people think twice about their actions.“Remember, if you avoid trouble, control your anger and walk away, you could not only save your life but someone else’s as well.” Just as a campaign for 'one punch can kill' has been made a campaign to tackle racism should be made to make people aware that you should think of what you say, as you never know how much you are able to offend somebody and know what their reaction will be and what consequences will follow. Yes your correct to say that who ever put this video up are sickos and something should be done about it even thought it's pretty much too late[/p][/quote]I think you should quit with your cr@p now. Have some thought for the poor guys family before you start playing the racism card. Shameful post. AndyJB14
  • Score: 30

11:07am Tue 25 Feb 14

Wesoblind says...

Sick! murdering scum the lot of these ****S!!!!!! should all be in prison still to rot. They should also get the mother of these "big hard men" to have to meet the mothers of the people they killed and see what their offspawn caused!

******G ******D SCUM!
Dont play that racism b****x who cares, i get offended when someone calls me a derogatory term but the gives me no right to kill them or even cause any phisical pain!

Fists are as effective as a weapon as a hammed, baseball bat etc so they should confiscate his weapons and chop his hands off!

Ive had it with this country!
Sick! murdering scum the lot of these ****S!!!!!! should all be in prison still to rot. They should also get the mother of these "big hard men" to have to meet the mothers of the people they killed and see what their offspawn caused! ******G ******D SCUM! Dont play that racism b****x who cares, i get offended when someone calls me a derogatory term but the gives me no right to kill them or even cause any phisical pain! Fists are as effective as a weapon as a hammed, baseball bat etc so they should confiscate his weapons and chop his hands off! Ive had it with this country! Wesoblind
  • Score: 14

11:08am Tue 25 Feb 14

bourne free says...

aamy1999 wrote:
It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.
So in your little world : AMY 1999 : i could stab someone who called me a name and thats not a problem to you ??
[quote][p][bold]aamy1999[/bold] wrote: It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.[/p][/quote]So in your little world : AMY 1999 : i could stab someone who called me a name and thats not a problem to you ?? bourne free
  • Score: 19

11:09am Tue 25 Feb 14

frood says...

I cannot believe this has been published. How utterly vile and disrespectful. It's awful enough that this incident happened, but to show it for everyone to see seems a horrible, unnecessary final insult.
I cannot believe this has been published. How utterly vile and disrespectful. It's awful enough that this incident happened, but to show it for everyone to see seems a horrible, unnecessary final insult. frood
  • Score: 18

11:10am Tue 25 Feb 14

afcb-mark says...

I see the Echo have pushed yesterday's story back up to the top of the page. They either love the controversy or the amount of hits it is getting. Whatever the reason this poor man's death should not be for public viewing.

As for aamy 1999 Grow Up and stop using the racism card, it's getting a bit tedious.
I see the Echo have pushed yesterday's story back up to the top of the page. They either love the controversy or the amount of hits it is getting. Whatever the reason this poor man's death should not be for public viewing. As for aamy 1999 Grow Up and stop using the racism card, it's getting a bit tedious. afcb-mark
  • Score: 24

11:14am Tue 25 Feb 14

old duffa says...

aamy1999 says..


you stupid moron,idiot

10 years is not enough
lets make a campaign to increase the sentence
anyone up for that
petition now
aamy1999 says.. you stupid moron,idiot 10 years is not enough lets make a campaign to increase the sentence anyone up for that petition now old duffa
  • Score: 20

11:16am Tue 25 Feb 14

old duffa says...

Gill was sentenced to four years for manslaughter, and two three-month prison terms for run consecutively for committing the offence while on a suspended sentence and for handling stolen goods.

nice bloke then
rot in hell
Gill was sentenced to four years for manslaughter, and two three-month prison terms for run consecutively for committing the offence while on a suspended sentence and for handling stolen goods. nice bloke then rot in hell old duffa
  • Score: 14

12:11pm Tue 25 Feb 14

zoko says...

Scum Coward hope he gets beat to crap every day inside .....Low life
Scum Coward hope he gets beat to crap every day inside .....Low life zoko
  • Score: 14

12:12pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

who the **** is handing out these sentences? 5 years or less for killing someone? The world truly is a mad place and the people we rely on to lay down sentences are failing society badly.
who the **** is handing out these sentences? 5 years or less for killing someone? The world truly is a mad place and the people we rely on to lay down sentences are failing society badly. Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 17

12:13pm Tue 25 Feb 14

recce45 says...

How is this manslaughter. What do you think is going to happen if you hit a guy who has he hands in his pockets/ by his sides and is blatantly no threat..?? This is a coward punch from a gutless individual. I hope he gets wiped out in jail where others will happily fight back. I see today two armed robbers were jailed today for 10 years.. Money worth more than life.....if this was my relative I would be waiting the 2 years till he's gets out and Id end his life and give him as little chance as he gave Mr Young
How is this manslaughter. What do you think is going to happen if you hit a guy who has he hands in his pockets/ by his sides and is blatantly no threat..?? This is a coward punch from a gutless individual. I hope he gets wiped out in jail where others will happily fight back. I see today two armed robbers were jailed today for 10 years.. Money worth more than life.....if this was my relative I would be waiting the 2 years till he's gets out and Id end his life and give him as little chance as he gave Mr Young recce45
  • Score: 20

12:27pm Tue 25 Feb 14

beachcomber1 says...

aamy1999 wrote:
It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.
totally agree, look at the minus marks for this comment.

if the victim said what he said then he deserved a slap. did he deserve to die? of course not.

if a white man had punched a black man, who then inadvertently died i wonder what the reaction on here would've been.
[quote][p][bold]aamy1999[/bold] wrote: It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.[/p][/quote]totally agree, look at the minus marks for this comment. if the victim said what he said then he deserved a slap. did he deserve to die? of course not. if a white man had punched a black man, who then inadvertently died i wonder what the reaction on here would've been. beachcomber1
  • Score: -10

1:22pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Repo says...

bourne free wrote:
aamy1999 wrote:
It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.
So in your little world : AMY 1999 : i could stab someone who called me a name and thats not a problem to you ??
Nowhere did aamy1999 say it was OK to kill someone...just presenting all the 'facts' that seem to go astray in these type of reports. Form you own opinions on how lenient the sentence is, but its worth knowing that the attack wasn't 100% unprovoked.
[quote][p][bold]bourne free[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aamy1999[/bold] wrote: It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.[/p][/quote]So in your little world : AMY 1999 : i could stab someone who called me a name and thats not a problem to you ??[/p][/quote]Nowhere did aamy1999 say it was OK to kill someone...just presenting all the 'facts' that seem to go astray in these type of reports. Form you own opinions on how lenient the sentence is, but its worth knowing that the attack wasn't 100% unprovoked. Repo
  • Score: -14

1:57pm Tue 25 Feb 14

corngoat says...

Only 4 years! Either the judge or the system needs looking at!

I could say more but I think it has all been said above.
Only 4 years! Either the judge or the system needs looking at! I could say more but I think it has all been said above. corngoat
  • Score: 14

1:58pm Tue 25 Feb 14

GreenBanana says...

Sticks and stones (and punches) will break my bones, but names will never hurt me.

That is what I was brought up to believe.

There is a line between words and violence, cross that line and you move up a level.

If you decide to escalate to the new level, then you should expect a fitting punishment.

THIS IS NOT A FITTING PUNISHMENT - He crossed a line and killed somebody using violence - This punishment is not the deterrent to others that it needs to be, it is a joke!
Sticks and stones (and punches) will break my bones, but names will never hurt me. That is what I was brought up to believe. There is a line between words and violence, cross that line and you move up a level. If you decide to escalate to the new level, then you should expect a fitting punishment. THIS IS NOT A FITTING PUNISHMENT - He crossed a line and killed somebody using violence - This punishment is not the deterrent to others that it needs to be, it is a joke! GreenBanana
  • Score: 23

1:59pm Tue 25 Feb 14

GreenBanana says...

I wonder what our locally elected members think of this sentence?

Will any of them step up to the mark and seek a review of this VERY lenient punishment?
I wonder what our locally elected members think of this sentence? Will any of them step up to the mark and seek a review of this VERY lenient punishment? GreenBanana
  • Score: 9

2:18pm Tue 25 Feb 14

coops1965cherry says...

aamy1999 wrote:
It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.
What world are you living in, there is no evidence anywhere about racist abuse you are almost advocating this bully's actions !
A re you related to this thug or do you have some ulterior motive ?

This action was totally uncalled for, it was obvious that the victim was no threat to the assailant just look at the size and demeanor of the victim compared to the bully who attacked him.

This is a sad and very unjust incident where the punishment did not meet the crime, he should have been given at least 10 years.

As for the echo salivating once more over a juicy story, this man was not killed by one punch it would have been the injuries that befell him hitting his head on the floor when he was knocked out, once more gratuitous reporting.

There was no need to display this violence on or in any media source.
By all means this type of crime must be reported but use a level of decorum and show some respect to the victim.

As for you aamy you are just scum as far as I am concerned, whipping up emotion on the back of somebody'd misery.
[quote][p][bold]aamy1999[/bold] wrote: It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.[/p][/quote]What world are you living in, there is no evidence anywhere about racist abuse you are almost advocating this bully's actions ! A re you related to this thug or do you have some ulterior motive ? This action was totally uncalled for, it was obvious that the victim was no threat to the assailant just look at the size and demeanor of the victim compared to the bully who attacked him. This is a sad and very unjust incident where the punishment did not meet the crime, he should have been given at least 10 years. As for the echo salivating once more over a juicy story, this man was not killed by one punch it would have been the injuries that befell him hitting his head on the floor when he was knocked out, once more gratuitous reporting. There was no need to display this violence on or in any media source. By all means this type of crime must be reported but use a level of decorum and show some respect to the victim. As for you aamy you are just scum as far as I am concerned, whipping up emotion on the back of somebody'd misery. coops1965cherry
  • Score: 22

2:19pm Tue 25 Feb 14

baylin says...

That lowlife should never have been on the streets with his criminal record and four years is to light for this offence two years and he will be back on the streets.
That lowlife should never have been on the streets with his criminal record and four years is to light for this offence two years and he will be back on the streets. baylin
  • Score: 15

2:26pm Tue 25 Feb 14

kevinzim says...

Is the mental health condition of the victim at all relevant to this article? If not then why was it revealed?
Is the mental health condition of the victim at all relevant to this article? If not then why was it revealed? kevinzim
  • Score: 5

2:29pm Tue 25 Feb 14

arti273 says...

EddieVH wrote:
Gutter journalism at its worst. How do you sleep at night Toby Granville ?

For those as outraged as I am that the Echo would sink so low as to make money (see those adverts?) from showing a man's death, I'd point you to the Press Complaints Commission:

http://www.pcc.org.u

k/complaints/form.ht

ml
I completely agree with your sentiment, but reading the rather weak PCC Code of Conduct, I fear they will take no action as the Echo's actions don't seem to fall into a specific clause. Unless the family want to complain about a breach of privacy or intrusion into grief.
[quote][p][bold]EddieVH[/bold] wrote: Gutter journalism at its worst. How do you sleep at night Toby Granville ? For those as outraged as I am that the Echo would sink so low as to make money (see those adverts?) from showing a man's death, I'd point you to the Press Complaints Commission: http://www.pcc.org.u k/complaints/form.ht ml[/p][/quote]I completely agree with your sentiment, but reading the rather weak PCC Code of Conduct, I fear they will take no action as the Echo's actions don't seem to fall into a specific clause. Unless the family want to complain about a breach of privacy or intrusion into grief. arti273
  • Score: 5

2:36pm Tue 25 Feb 14

coops1965cherry says...

Repo wrote:
bourne free wrote:
aamy1999 wrote:
It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.
So in your little world : AMY 1999 : i could stab someone who called me a name and thats not a problem to you ??
Nowhere did aamy1999 say it was OK to kill someone...just presenting all the 'facts' that seem to go astray in these type of reports. Form you own opinions on how lenient the sentence is, but its worth knowing that the attack wasn't 100% unprovoked.
So how and where does it say he was provoked ?

As the victim was clearly mentally deficient and of no threat, in your world that makes it ok does it ?

So in your opinion Repo it is Ok to act in this way with anyone that SEEMS TO BE A THREAT, JUST LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE VICTIM AND WHERE HE WAS STANDING WHEN THAT BULLY SWUNG A FULL RIGHT HOOK INTO HIS JAW, WHAT ANGLE DO YOU HAVE ?
[quote][p][bold]Repo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bourne free[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aamy1999[/bold] wrote: It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.[/p][/quote]So in your little world : AMY 1999 : i could stab someone who called me a name and thats not a problem to you ??[/p][/quote]Nowhere did aamy1999 say it was OK to kill someone...just presenting all the 'facts' that seem to go astray in these type of reports. Form you own opinions on how lenient the sentence is, but its worth knowing that the attack wasn't 100% unprovoked.[/p][/quote]So how and where does it say he was provoked ? As the victim was clearly mentally deficient and of no threat, in your world that makes it ok does it ? So in your opinion Repo it is Ok to act in this way with anyone that SEEMS TO BE A THREAT, JUST LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE VICTIM AND WHERE HE WAS STANDING WHEN THAT BULLY SWUNG A FULL RIGHT HOOK INTO HIS JAW, WHAT ANGLE DO YOU HAVE ? coops1965cherry
  • Score: 13

3:03pm Tue 25 Feb 14

GreenBanana says...

Is it my imagination or have the echo moved our comments to this new news item?

Yesterday I commented as the Echo were sensationalising the images and footage. The same images as above (which in my view should still not be included - especially the video), BUT today the story is about a one punch can kill campaign.

Is this the Echo trying to make light our comments and criticisms?

They should not move our comments away from the context that they were originally made.

The quality of the Echo took a huge dive after they moved from Bournemouth, now they are really proving that they are gutter press.

Will we ever see the golden age of good local journalism again?
Is it my imagination or have the echo moved our comments to this new news item? Yesterday I commented as the Echo were sensationalising the images and footage. The same images as above (which in my view should still not be included - especially the video), BUT today the story is about a one punch can kill campaign. Is this the Echo trying to make light our comments and criticisms? They should not move our comments away from the context that they were originally made. The quality of the Echo took a huge dive after they moved from Bournemouth, now they are really proving that they are gutter press. Will we ever see the golden age of good local journalism again? GreenBanana
  • Score: 9

3:05pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Repo says...

coops1965cherry wrote:
Repo wrote:
bourne free wrote:
aamy1999 wrote:
It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.
So in your little world : AMY 1999 : i could stab someone who called me a name and thats not a problem to you ??
Nowhere did aamy1999 say it was OK to kill someone...just presenting all the 'facts' that seem to go astray in these type of reports. Form you own opinions on how lenient the sentence is, but its worth knowing that the attack wasn't 100% unprovoked.
So how and where does it say he was provoked ?

As the victim was clearly mentally deficient and of no threat, in your world that makes it ok does it ?

So in your opinion Repo it is Ok to act in this way with anyone that SEEMS TO BE A THREAT, JUST LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE VICTIM AND WHERE HE WAS STANDING WHEN THAT BULLY SWUNG A FULL RIGHT HOOK INTO HIS JAW, WHAT ANGLE DO YOU HAVE ?
"As the victim was clearly mentally deficient and of no threat, in your world that makes it ok does it ?"

...............NO

" So in your opinion Repo it is Ok to act in this way with anyone that SEEMS TO BE A THREAT"

.................NO

"WHAT ANGLE DO YOU HAVE ?"

................NONE
[quote][p][bold]coops1965cherry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Repo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bourne free[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aamy1999[/bold] wrote: It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.[/p][/quote]So in your little world : AMY 1999 : i could stab someone who called me a name and thats not a problem to you ??[/p][/quote]Nowhere did aamy1999 say it was OK to kill someone...just presenting all the 'facts' that seem to go astray in these type of reports. Form you own opinions on how lenient the sentence is, but its worth knowing that the attack wasn't 100% unprovoked.[/p][/quote]So how and where does it say he was provoked ? As the victim was clearly mentally deficient and of no threat, in your world that makes it ok does it ? So in your opinion Repo it is Ok to act in this way with anyone that SEEMS TO BE A THREAT, JUST LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE VICTIM AND WHERE HE WAS STANDING WHEN THAT BULLY SWUNG A FULL RIGHT HOOK INTO HIS JAW, WHAT ANGLE DO YOU HAVE ?[/p][/quote]"As the victim was clearly mentally deficient and of no threat, in your world that makes it ok does it ?" ...............NO " So in your opinion Repo it is Ok to act in this way with anyone that SEEMS TO BE A THREAT" .................NO "WHAT ANGLE DO YOU HAVE ?" ................NONE Repo
  • Score: 4

4:05pm Tue 25 Feb 14

bourne free says...

Repo wrote:
coops1965cherry wrote:
Repo wrote:
bourne free wrote:
aamy1999 wrote:
It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.
So in your little world : AMY 1999 : i could stab someone who called me a name and thats not a problem to you ??
Nowhere did aamy1999 say it was OK to kill someone...just presenting all the 'facts' that seem to go astray in these type of reports. Form you own opinions on how lenient the sentence is, but its worth knowing that the attack wasn't 100% unprovoked.
So how and where does it say he was provoked ?

As the victim was clearly mentally deficient and of no threat, in your world that makes it ok does it ?

So in your opinion Repo it is Ok to act in this way with anyone that SEEMS TO BE A THREAT, JUST LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE VICTIM AND WHERE HE WAS STANDING WHEN THAT BULLY SWUNG A FULL RIGHT HOOK INTO HIS JAW, WHAT ANGLE DO YOU HAVE ?
"As the victim was clearly mentally deficient and of no threat, in your world that makes it ok does it ?"

...............NO

" So in your opinion Repo it is Ok to act in this way with anyone that SEEMS TO BE A THREAT"

.................NO

"WHAT ANGLE DO YOU HAVE ?"

................NONE
REPO / you seem a little confused ? YES
[quote][p][bold]Repo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coops1965cherry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Repo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bourne free[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aamy1999[/bold] wrote: It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.[/p][/quote]So in your little world : AMY 1999 : i could stab someone who called me a name and thats not a problem to you ??[/p][/quote]Nowhere did aamy1999 say it was OK to kill someone...just presenting all the 'facts' that seem to go astray in these type of reports. Form you own opinions on how lenient the sentence is, but its worth knowing that the attack wasn't 100% unprovoked.[/p][/quote]So how and where does it say he was provoked ? As the victim was clearly mentally deficient and of no threat, in your world that makes it ok does it ? So in your opinion Repo it is Ok to act in this way with anyone that SEEMS TO BE A THREAT, JUST LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE VICTIM AND WHERE HE WAS STANDING WHEN THAT BULLY SWUNG A FULL RIGHT HOOK INTO HIS JAW, WHAT ANGLE DO YOU HAVE ?[/p][/quote]"As the victim was clearly mentally deficient and of no threat, in your world that makes it ok does it ?" ...............NO " So in your opinion Repo it is Ok to act in this way with anyone that SEEMS TO BE A THREAT" .................NO "WHAT ANGLE DO YOU HAVE ?" ................NONE[/p][/quote]REPO / you seem a little confused ? YES bourne free
  • Score: 6

4:18pm Tue 25 Feb 14

beachcomber1 says...

coops1965cherry wrote:
aamy1999 wrote:
It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.
What world are you living in, there is no evidence anywhere about racist abuse you are almost advocating this bully's actions !
A re you related to this thug or do you have some ulterior motive ?

This action was totally uncalled for, it was obvious that the victim was no threat to the assailant just look at the size and demeanor of the victim compared to the bully who attacked him.

This is a sad and very unjust incident where the punishment did not meet the crime, he should have been given at least 10 years.

As for the echo salivating once more over a juicy story, this man was not killed by one punch it would have been the injuries that befell him hitting his head on the floor when he was knocked out, once more gratuitous reporting.

There was no need to display this violence on or in any media source.
By all means this type of crime must be reported but use a level of decorum and show some respect to the victim.

As for you aamy you are just scum as far as I am concerned, whipping up emotion on the back of somebody'd misery.
suggest you might read the other article from Friday, which states that the victim shouted "go back to the jungle".
[quote][p][bold]coops1965cherry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aamy1999[/bold] wrote: It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.[/p][/quote]What world are you living in, there is no evidence anywhere about racist abuse you are almost advocating this bully's actions ! A re you related to this thug or do you have some ulterior motive ? This action was totally uncalled for, it was obvious that the victim was no threat to the assailant just look at the size and demeanor of the victim compared to the bully who attacked him. This is a sad and very unjust incident where the punishment did not meet the crime, he should have been given at least 10 years. As for the echo salivating once more over a juicy story, this man was not killed by one punch it would have been the injuries that befell him hitting his head on the floor when he was knocked out, once more gratuitous reporting. There was no need to display this violence on or in any media source. By all means this type of crime must be reported but use a level of decorum and show some respect to the victim. As for you aamy you are just scum as far as I am concerned, whipping up emotion on the back of somebody'd misery.[/p][/quote]suggest you might read the other article from Friday, which states that the victim shouted "go back to the jungle". beachcomber1
  • Score: -11

4:35pm Tue 25 Feb 14

rozmister says...

kevinzim wrote:
Is the mental health condition of the victim at all relevant to this article? If not then why was it revealed?
Yes it is because it made him vulnerable. In the nationals the mother has given a longer interview in which she says her son would have said not to cycle on the pavement because he was dangerous and because of his Aspergers he pointed out things like that. Attacking anyone is wrong but attacking a vulnerable person who is only trying to do what he thinks is right is particularly disgusting!
[quote][p][bold]kevinzim[/bold] wrote: Is the mental health condition of the victim at all relevant to this article? If not then why was it revealed?[/p][/quote]Yes it is because it made him vulnerable. In the nationals the mother has given a longer interview in which she says her son would have said not to cycle on the pavement because he was dangerous and because of his Aspergers he pointed out things like that. Attacking anyone is wrong but attacking a vulnerable person who is only trying to do what he thinks is right is particularly disgusting! rozmister
  • Score: 19

4:36pm Tue 25 Feb 14

rozmister says...

rozmister wrote:
kevinzim wrote: Is the mental health condition of the victim at all relevant to this article? If not then why was it revealed?
Yes it is because it made him vulnerable. In the nationals the mother has given a longer interview in which she says her son would have said not to cycle on the pavement because he was dangerous and because of his Aspergers he pointed out things like that. Attacking anyone is wrong but attacking a vulnerable person who is only trying to do what he thinks is right is particularly disgusting!
Not he, it as in cycling on the pavement is dangerous. Sorry guys, it's been a long day!
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kevinzim[/bold] wrote: Is the mental health condition of the victim at all relevant to this article? If not then why was it revealed?[/p][/quote]Yes it is because it made him vulnerable. In the nationals the mother has given a longer interview in which she says her son would have said not to cycle on the pavement because he was dangerous and because of his Aspergers he pointed out things like that. Attacking anyone is wrong but attacking a vulnerable person who is only trying to do what he thinks is right is particularly disgusting![/p][/quote]Not he, it as in cycling on the pavement is dangerous. Sorry guys, it's been a long day! rozmister
  • Score: 10

4:37pm Tue 25 Feb 14

O'Reilly says...

queendobby wrote:
Rip Jason. Can't believe it's been 6yrs today. Love to all the family x
Aye......sadly missed.
[quote][p][bold]queendobby[/bold] wrote: Rip Jason. Can't believe it's been 6yrs today. Love to all the family x[/p][/quote]Aye......sadly missed. O'Reilly
  • Score: 5

4:44pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Girl313 says...

I can't emphasise enough how lovely a man Andrew was. In a previous article it was said that Gill called him "threatening". What a load of .....!!!! You can see in the video that Andrew did not show any violent behaviour. The other people were prepared to walk on and leave him be but not Gill and so he should be locked up for life!!
As I knew Andrew personally, I find this video very distressing. We'll always be praying for you Andrew. Innocent man MURDERED. Rip Andrew.
I can't emphasise enough how lovely a man Andrew was. In a previous article it was said that Gill called him "threatening". What a load of .....!!!! You can see in the video that Andrew did not show any violent behaviour. The other people were prepared to walk on and leave him be but not Gill and so he should be locked up for life!! As I knew Andrew personally, I find this video very distressing. We'll always be praying for you Andrew. Innocent man MURDERED. Rip Andrew. Girl313
  • Score: 19

5:37pm Tue 25 Feb 14

scrumpyjack says...

beachcomber1 wrote:
coops1965cherry wrote:
aamy1999 wrote:
It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.
What world are you living in, there is no evidence anywhere about racist abuse you are almost advocating this bully's actions !
A re you related to this thug or do you have some ulterior motive ?

This action was totally uncalled for, it was obvious that the victim was no threat to the assailant just look at the size and demeanor of the victim compared to the bully who attacked him.

This is a sad and very unjust incident where the punishment did not meet the crime, he should have been given at least 10 years.

As for the echo salivating once more over a juicy story, this man was not killed by one punch it would have been the injuries that befell him hitting his head on the floor when he was knocked out, once more gratuitous reporting.

There was no need to display this violence on or in any media source.
By all means this type of crime must be reported but use a level of decorum and show some respect to the victim.

As for you aamy you are just scum as far as I am concerned, whipping up emotion on the back of somebody'd misery.
suggest you might read the other article from Friday, which states that the victim shouted "go back to the jungle".
Alleged to have said.
[quote][p][bold]beachcomber1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coops1965cherry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aamy1999[/bold] wrote: It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.[/p][/quote]What world are you living in, there is no evidence anywhere about racist abuse you are almost advocating this bully's actions ! A re you related to this thug or do you have some ulterior motive ? This action was totally uncalled for, it was obvious that the victim was no threat to the assailant just look at the size and demeanor of the victim compared to the bully who attacked him. This is a sad and very unjust incident where the punishment did not meet the crime, he should have been given at least 10 years. As for the echo salivating once more over a juicy story, this man was not killed by one punch it would have been the injuries that befell him hitting his head on the floor when he was knocked out, once more gratuitous reporting. There was no need to display this violence on or in any media source. By all means this type of crime must be reported but use a level of decorum and show some respect to the victim. As for you aamy you are just scum as far as I am concerned, whipping up emotion on the back of somebody'd misery.[/p][/quote]suggest you might read the other article from Friday, which states that the victim shouted "go back to the jungle".[/p][/quote]Alleged to have said. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 11

6:23pm Tue 25 Feb 14

cheeriedriteup says...

aamy1999 wrote:
It is absurd that nobody mentions why the man was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and Mr Ibitoye, there are number of witnesses that hear Mr Young been racist . Mr Gill's intention was not to kill Mr Young, but unfortunately Mr Young did die that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions. Im not saying that anyone has the right to punch anybody, but nobody is perfect and people can be provoked.
Racial abuse doesn't and shouldn't carry a death sentence, it seems the guy on the bike was willing to leave the issue, who is the guy smoking, talk about " I chose to look away " !! Anyway this will not be welcome by his fellow inmates, I'm sure this would be looked at as an act of a coward.
[quote][p][bold]aamy1999[/bold] wrote: It is absurd that nobody mentions why the man was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and Mr Ibitoye, there are number of witnesses that hear Mr Young been racist . Mr Gill's intention was not to kill Mr Young, but unfortunately Mr Young did die that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions. Im not saying that anyone has the right to punch anybody, but nobody is perfect and people can be provoked.[/p][/quote]Racial abuse doesn't and shouldn't carry a death sentence, it seems the guy on the bike was willing to leave the issue, who is the guy smoking, talk about " I chose to look away " !! Anyway this will not be welcome by his fellow inmates, I'm sure this would be looked at as an act of a coward. cheeriedriteup
  • Score: 11

6:57pm Tue 25 Feb 14

alisont1964 says...

i will not be purchasing another copy of the echo until an apology is issued for putting this video out. Echo Editor Do you not have a moral compass. Shame on you. I think its time for you to resign.
i will not be purchasing another copy of the echo until an apology is issued for putting this video out. Echo Editor Do you not have a moral compass. Shame on you. I think its time for you to resign. alisont1964
  • Score: 17

7:00pm Tue 25 Feb 14

southborne25 says...

Riding a bicycle on the pavement is against the law and the victim acted as a public citizen should be saying it was dangerous
What grounds does the guilty party have -an unprovoked attack and against somebody who was not a threat and with aspergers
he shows no remorse as he walks off
His form demonstrates his disrespect for society
Whether he's black ,white ,etc has no bearing
The Publishing of the CCTV with the permission of the family must be an action to show clearly the terrible injustice in this country and sad loss of someone who did what any public spirited person should do (by saying how dangerous cycling on pavement is)
I speak as someone who was punched by a stranger whilst pushing a buggy and the police said it was probably mistaken identity !!
The law in this country is inconsistent and inadequate and if highlighting this case gets something changed so that ordinary people can enjoy everyday life without the low life committing these acts and just getting a ridiculous sentence then at least something will have been achieved
Riding a bicycle on the pavement is against the law and the victim acted as a public citizen should be saying it was dangerous What grounds does the guilty party have -an unprovoked attack and against somebody who was not a threat and with aspergers he shows no remorse as he walks off His form demonstrates his disrespect for society Whether he's black ,white ,etc has no bearing The Publishing of the CCTV with the permission of the family must be an action to show clearly the terrible injustice in this country and sad loss of someone who did what any public spirited person should do (by saying how dangerous cycling on pavement is) I speak as someone who was punched by a stranger whilst pushing a buggy and the police said it was probably mistaken identity !! The law in this country is inconsistent and inadequate and if highlighting this case gets something changed so that ordinary people can enjoy everyday life without the low life committing these acts and just getting a ridiculous sentence then at least something will have been achieved southborne25
  • Score: 12

7:21pm Tue 25 Feb 14

stanlake says...

Well done Echo for showing this killer in action. I think the charge should have been murder but that doesn't happen because the murder figures are minimised to disguise the increase since the abolition of capital punishment.
This killer will be free after a little over 2 years. What a punishment for taking a life in such a cowardly manner.
Well done Echo for showing this killer in action. I think the charge should have been murder but that doesn't happen because the murder figures are minimised to disguise the increase since the abolition of capital punishment. This killer will be free after a little over 2 years. What a punishment for taking a life in such a cowardly manner. stanlake
  • Score: 6

7:35pm Tue 25 Feb 14

thisloginprocessisdaft says...

How much money have the Bournemouth Echo made from the advert that runs before the video shows?
How much money have the Bournemouth Echo made from the advert that runs before the video shows? thisloginprocessisdaft
  • Score: 4

8:57pm Tue 25 Feb 14

LordLilliput says...

alisont1964 wrote:
i will not be purchasing another copy of the echo until an apology is issued for putting this video out. Echo Editor Do you not have a moral compass. Shame on you. I think its time for you to resign.
There is no moral compass at this newspaper.

Forget the nationals, this is supposed to be a local, community newspaper that provides a service to it's readers. As I said above, it's a disgrace.

The standard of 'journalism' over the last few years is worst than appalling. It clearly employs 'reporters' that work for next to nothing and this is well represented by the child like writing we see on a daily basis. No attention to detail. No understanding of how to convey a story. No moral fibre or integrity. In short very, very low quality throughout.

Most of us can see this and many of us complain about it on a regular basis. It doesn't seem to make much difference but do know Echo, as much as you may delude yourselves YOU ARE A LAUGHING STOCK.

What you have demonstrated by showing an online murder is quite how low you will stoop to drum up trade. If you can't see the error of your ways or, more likely couldn't give a **** then shame, shame, shame on you.

Pull this story now.
[quote][p][bold]alisont1964[/bold] wrote: i will not be purchasing another copy of the echo until an apology is issued for putting this video out. Echo Editor Do you not have a moral compass. Shame on you. I think its time for you to resign.[/p][/quote]There is no moral compass at this newspaper. Forget the nationals, this is supposed to be a local, community newspaper that provides a service to it's readers. As I said above, it's a disgrace. The standard of 'journalism' over the last few years is worst than appalling. It clearly employs 'reporters' that work for next to nothing and this is well represented by the child like writing we see on a daily basis. No attention to detail. No understanding of how to convey a story. No moral fibre or integrity. In short very, very low quality throughout. Most of us can see this and many of us complain about it on a regular basis. It doesn't seem to make much difference but do know Echo, as much as you may delude yourselves YOU ARE A LAUGHING STOCK. What you have demonstrated by showing an online murder is quite how low you will stoop to drum up trade. If you can't see the error of your ways or, more likely couldn't give a **** then shame, shame, shame on you. Pull this story now. LordLilliput
  • Score: 5

9:14pm Tue 25 Feb 14

sundaydriver says...

Again our faith in justice is torn to shreds - one life = 4.5yrs

4.5 yrs is what should of been handed out for including the video in this story and having a chocolate bar allowed to advertise on it - P Poor

As for the a hole who committed the terrible crime there should have been a 2 infront of the 4.

Scumbags 1 - decent society Nil - yet again
Again our faith in justice is torn to shreds - one life = 4.5yrs 4.5 yrs is what should of been handed out for including the video in this story and having a chocolate bar allowed to advertise on it - P Poor As for the a hole who committed the terrible crime there should have been a 2 infront of the 4. Scumbags 1 - decent society Nil - yet again sundaydriver
  • Score: 7

10:38pm Tue 25 Feb 14

matthew bell says...

'Andrew Young' was verbally wrong to use a racist comment, thats a fact!!!
Lewis Gill murdered him, thats a fact!!!
In my view Lewis should be sentenced to life (13 years maximum under current UK law by David's 'PM' decision not the EU's 'he signs the paper work'.
Simple answer is do not vote anyone except UKIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!
Let the politically 'right' sided politics take shape again in the UK not the left (Conservative,libdem or Labour). Change is needed for UK Judicial law, thats a fact!!!!
'Andrew Young' was verbally wrong to use a racist comment, thats a fact!!! Lewis Gill murdered him, thats a fact!!! In my view Lewis should be sentenced to life (13 years maximum under current UK law by David's 'PM' decision not the EU's 'he signs the paper work'. Simple answer is do not vote anyone except UKIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! Let the politically 'right' sided politics take shape again in the UK not the left (Conservative,libdem or Labour). Change is needed for UK Judicial law, thats a fact!!!! matthew bell
  • Score: -6

10:45pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Wageslave says...

aamy1999 wrote:
It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.
Mr Young verbally attacked me few years ago also for riding my bike on the pavement (to avid heavy traffic). He seemed to have had a bit of an obsession about it. Since that day I always crossed he road when I saw him coming as live a few streets away from his..
[quote][p][bold]aamy1999[/bold] wrote: It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.[/p][/quote]Mr Young verbally attacked me few years ago also for riding my bike on the pavement (to avid heavy traffic). He seemed to have had a bit of an obsession about it. Since that day I always crossed he road when I saw him coming as live a few streets away from his.. Wageslave
  • Score: -6

11:07pm Tue 25 Feb 14

dogsoftheworld says...

matthew bell wrote:
'Andrew Young' was verbally wrong to use a racist comment, thats a fact!!!
Lewis Gill murdered him, thats a fact!!!
In my view Lewis should be sentenced to life (13 years maximum under current UK law by David's 'PM' decision not the EU's 'he signs the paper work'.
Simple answer is do not vote anyone except UKIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!
Let the politically 'right' sided politics take shape again in the UK not the left (Conservative,libdem or Labour). Change is needed for UK Judicial law, thats a fact!!!!
And you're trying to make political capital out of a tragedy. That's a fact. Go away.
[quote][p][bold]matthew bell[/bold] wrote: 'Andrew Young' was verbally wrong to use a racist comment, thats a fact!!! Lewis Gill murdered him, thats a fact!!! In my view Lewis should be sentenced to life (13 years maximum under current UK law by David's 'PM' decision not the EU's 'he signs the paper work'. Simple answer is do not vote anyone except UKIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! Let the politically 'right' sided politics take shape again in the UK not the left (Conservative,libdem or Labour). Change is needed for UK Judicial law, thats a fact!!!![/p][/quote]And you're trying to make political capital out of a tragedy. That's a fact. Go away. dogsoftheworld
  • Score: 2

2:09am Wed 26 Feb 14

GeorgeW64 says...

Stop moaning a the Echo for showing this video, it's obvious to anyone with a brain it is to raise awareness that on punch can kill. Carry on living life with you eyes shut.
Stop moaning a the Echo for showing this video, it's obvious to anyone with a brain it is to raise awareness that on punch can kill. Carry on living life with you eyes shut. GeorgeW64
  • Score: 1

9:08am Wed 26 Feb 14

seaviews says...

Curious objections from your readers about the CCTV clip, if you don't want to see the news don't read a newspaper.

From the clip it can be seen what an ignorant bully Lewis Gill is and bodes the question do we want people like this free in this country. Four years really is not enough time to keep this person out of circulation. He has obviously has had a poor upbringing and perhaps his parents need to be investigated to see if they have any other children.
Curious objections from your readers about the CCTV clip, if you don't want to see the news don't read a newspaper. From the clip it can be seen what an ignorant bully Lewis Gill is and bodes the question do we want people like this free in this country. Four years really is not enough time to keep this person out of circulation. He has obviously has had a poor upbringing and perhaps his parents need to be investigated to see if they have any other children. seaviews
  • Score: 0

10:20am Wed 26 Feb 14

nobbythesheep says...

Why does it matter if he had Aspergers? He was killed by an animal who should be put away for life.
Why does it matter if he had Aspergers? He was killed by an animal who should be put away for life. nobbythesheep
  • Score: 4

10:34am Wed 26 Feb 14

LordLilliput says...

GeorgeW64 wrote:
Stop moaning a the Echo for showing this video, it's obvious to anyone with a brain it is to raise awareness that on punch can kill. Carry on living life with you eyes shut.
It's about a little thing called 'responsible reporting'. You may be at ease watching a man take a punch that kills him, most are not - have a read of the comments and the support for them.
[quote][p][bold]GeorgeW64[/bold] wrote: Stop moaning a the Echo for showing this video, it's obvious to anyone with a brain it is to raise awareness that on punch can kill. Carry on living life with you eyes shut.[/p][/quote]It's about a little thing called 'responsible reporting'. You may be at ease watching a man take a punch that kills him, most are not - have a read of the comments and the support for them. LordLilliput
  • Score: 3

10:48am Wed 26 Feb 14

LordLilliput says...

seaviews wrote:
Curious objections from your readers about the CCTV clip, if you don't want to see the news don't read a newspaper.

From the clip it can be seen what an ignorant bully Lewis Gill is and bodes the question do we want people like this free in this country. Four years really is not enough time to keep this person out of circulation. He has obviously has had a poor upbringing and perhaps his parents need to be investigated to see if they have any other children.
It's not about choosing what to read and what not to read as you suggest. There are some things that simply have no place in a community newspaper for all to see. No-one objects to the article itself but showing a graphic video of the event in real time that kills him is unnecessary and irresponsible. Can't see what you find curious about that standpoint?
[quote][p][bold]seaviews[/bold] wrote: Curious objections from your readers about the CCTV clip, if you don't want to see the news don't read a newspaper. From the clip it can be seen what an ignorant bully Lewis Gill is and bodes the question do we want people like this free in this country. Four years really is not enough time to keep this person out of circulation. He has obviously has had a poor upbringing and perhaps his parents need to be investigated to see if they have any other children.[/p][/quote]It's not about choosing what to read and what not to read as you suggest. There are some things that simply have no place in a community newspaper for all to see. No-one objects to the article itself but showing a graphic video of the event in real time that kills him is unnecessary and irresponsible. Can't see what you find curious about that standpoint? LordLilliput
  • Score: 5

11:07am Wed 26 Feb 14

wool525 says...

old duffa wrote:
aamy1999 says..


you stupid moron,idiot

10 years is not enough
lets make a campaign to increase the sentence
anyone up for that
petition now
they should not be put in jail at tax payers cost, be like America give them a needle if they take some ones life
[quote][p][bold]old duffa[/bold] wrote: aamy1999 says.. you stupid moron,idiot 10 years is not enough lets make a campaign to increase the sentence anyone up for that petition now[/p][/quote]they should not be put in jail at tax payers cost, be like America give them a needle if they take some ones life wool525
  • Score: 0

12:33pm Wed 26 Feb 14

chester21 says...

Please sign and share http://www.change.or
g/petitions/attorney
-general-review-the-
judgement-in-the-cas
e-of-andrew-young-an
d-lewis-gill
Please sign and share http://www.change.or g/petitions/attorney -general-review-the- judgement-in-the-cas e-of-andrew-young-an d-lewis-gill chester21
  • Score: 3

1:07pm Wed 26 Feb 14

pete woodley says...

Wageslave wrote:
aamy1999 wrote:
It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.
Mr Young verbally attacked me few years ago also for riding my bike on the pavement (to avid heavy traffic). He seemed to have had a bit of an obsession about it. Since that day I always crossed he road when I saw him coming as live a few streets away from his..
So you think riding on the pavement is ok do you,just what gives you the right to do it.It was because of a moron like you that mr young was "murdered".There was no independent evidence that there was racial comments and many believe that the old excuse was used,even if there was you obviously think thats an excuse to assault someone.You obviously have the same low intelligence as the cyclist and the murderer.
[quote][p][bold]Wageslave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aamy1999[/bold] wrote: It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.[/p][/quote]Mr Young verbally attacked me few years ago also for riding my bike on the pavement (to avid heavy traffic). He seemed to have had a bit of an obsession about it. Since that day I always crossed he road when I saw him coming as live a few streets away from his..[/p][/quote]So you think riding on the pavement is ok do you,just what gives you the right to do it.It was because of a moron like you that mr young was "murdered".There was no independent evidence that there was racial comments and many believe that the old excuse was used,even if there was you obviously think thats an excuse to assault someone.You obviously have the same low intelligence as the cyclist and the murderer. pete woodley
  • Score: 4

2:43pm Wed 26 Feb 14

I like balance says...

LordLilliput wrote:
GeorgeW64 wrote:
Stop moaning a the Echo for showing this video, it's obvious to anyone with a brain it is to raise awareness that on punch can kill. Carry on living life with you eyes shut.
It's about a little thing called 'responsible reporting'. You may be at ease watching a man take a punch that kills him, most are not - have a read of the comments and the support for them.
Agreed - No one is at ease watching this - isn't that the point of showing it. If by seeing this video and the horrific outcome, one less person decides to be violent in a situation like this, then it has done some good. No it's not nice, indeed it is awful - but all those shouting about the fact that it has been shown are probably not the sort of people who would resort to violence anyway.

Some of those that that do turn to violence will possibly think twice by seeing this - in that case there is a good reason to show it.

All the comments about responsible journalism seem adrift - the ads just run, whatever the story - that's how web based ad promotion works - do people really believe that the Echo secured a better sum of money to run certain ads over others along side this report?

My thoughts are with the victims family - let's not let the emotions surrounding this poor man's death get confused with what is right or wrong in the press. This has happened - and it has been reported.
[quote][p][bold]LordLilliput[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GeorgeW64[/bold] wrote: Stop moaning a the Echo for showing this video, it's obvious to anyone with a brain it is to raise awareness that on punch can kill. Carry on living life with you eyes shut.[/p][/quote]It's about a little thing called 'responsible reporting'. You may be at ease watching a man take a punch that kills him, most are not - have a read of the comments and the support for them.[/p][/quote]Agreed - No one is at ease watching this - isn't that the point of showing it. If by seeing this video and the horrific outcome, one less person decides to be violent in a situation like this, then it has done some good. No it's not nice, indeed it is awful - but all those shouting about the fact that it has been shown are probably not the sort of people who would resort to violence anyway. Some of those that that do turn to violence will possibly think twice by seeing this - in that case there is a good reason to show it. All the comments about responsible journalism seem adrift - the ads just run, whatever the story - that's how web based ad promotion works - do people really believe that the Echo secured a better sum of money to run certain ads over others along side this report? My thoughts are with the victims family - let's not let the emotions surrounding this poor man's death get confused with what is right or wrong in the press. This has happened - and it has been reported. I like balance
  • Score: 3

3:10pm Wed 26 Feb 14

robrat41 says...

4 and a half years
This was a premeditated killing
The guy worked out and developed his punch into a "killer punch"
These idiots are everywhere, they take pride in developing this killer punching technique.
When they throw such a punch they have to invoke their knowledge of how to throw a kiiller punch for it to be as violent as this.
Therefore they know there is a likelihood that it will kill the victim, ergo. premeditated murder.
Should have been tried as such.
4 and a half years This was a premeditated killing The guy worked out and developed his punch into a "killer punch" These idiots are everywhere, they take pride in developing this killer punching technique. When they throw such a punch they have to invoke their knowledge of how to throw a kiiller punch for it to be as violent as this. Therefore they know there is a likelihood that it will kill the victim, ergo. premeditated murder. Should have been tried as such. robrat41
  • Score: 2

3:30pm Wed 26 Feb 14

GreenBanana says...

GeorgeW64 wrote:
Stop moaning a the Echo for showing this video, it's obvious to anyone with a brain it is to raise awareness that on punch can kill. Carry on living life with you eyes shut.
The original comments here were commenting on the way that the echo initially portrayed the video and stills.

There was no depth, no campaign message about one punch, it was a "all look a us, we have this horrid footage as an exclusive"

Since then this story has evolved a couple of times.

Now I believe the footage (as long as it has the agreement of the victims family) really does show how cold the crime was, and the very high level of violence used against somebody showing no threat.

BUT, the initial sensationalisation by the Echo was WRONG

I hope to see the sentence multiplied by 3 or 4 as a minimum to show that any level of violence is wrong and can have devastating effects for ALL involved.

4 years for a persons life is an insult
[quote][p][bold]GeorgeW64[/bold] wrote: Stop moaning a the Echo for showing this video, it's obvious to anyone with a brain it is to raise awareness that on punch can kill. Carry on living life with you eyes shut.[/p][/quote]The original comments here were commenting on the way that the echo initially portrayed the video and stills. There was no depth, no campaign message about one punch, it was a "all look a us, we have this horrid footage as an exclusive" Since then this story has evolved a couple of times. Now I believe the footage (as long as it has the agreement of the victims family) really does show how cold the crime was, and the very high level of violence used against somebody showing no threat. BUT, the initial sensationalisation by the Echo was WRONG I hope to see the sentence multiplied by 3 or 4 as a minimum to show that any level of violence is wrong and can have devastating effects for ALL involved. 4 years for a persons life is an insult GreenBanana
  • Score: 4

5:19pm Wed 26 Feb 14

maxgamble2 says...

I'm shocked by the number of people who just walked past...
I'm shocked by the number of people who just walked past... maxgamble2
  • Score: 1

5:23pm Wed 26 Feb 14

rozmister says...

Wageslave wrote:
aamy1999 wrote:
It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.
Mr Young verbally attacked me few years ago also for riding my bike on the pavement (to avid heavy traffic). He seemed to have had a bit of an obsession about it. Since that day I always crossed he road when I saw him coming as live a few streets away from his..
Read the story - he had Aspergers. Lots of people with Aspergers are obsessive, its a common trait. He did probably feel obsessed and rightly so - cycling on the pavement puts pedestrians at risk heavy traffic or not.
[quote][p][bold]Wageslave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aamy1999[/bold] wrote: It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.[/p][/quote]Mr Young verbally attacked me few years ago also for riding my bike on the pavement (to avid heavy traffic). He seemed to have had a bit of an obsession about it. Since that day I always crossed he road when I saw him coming as live a few streets away from his..[/p][/quote]Read the story - he had Aspergers. Lots of people with Aspergers are obsessive, its a common trait. He did probably feel obsessed and rightly so - cycling on the pavement puts pedestrians at risk heavy traffic or not. rozmister
  • Score: 4

6:41pm Wed 26 Feb 14

MancSteve says...

beachcomber1 wrote:
aamy1999 wrote:
It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.
totally agree, look at the minus marks for this comment.

if the victim said what he said then he deserved a slap. did he deserve to die? of course not.

if a white man had punched a black man, who then inadvertently died i wonder what the reaction on here would've been.
Do you know how pathetic this is? Yet another playing the race card.
It may be black v white in your narrow little world, but most reasonable people will see it as a n obviously athletic 20 year old- with previous- hitting a harmless forty year old man who was standing in front of him with his hands in his pockets.
So much for suspended sentences- forget the softly softly approach for rubbish like this fella. As someone else has alluded to, our ideas of what's 'civilised' in this country can be a bit skewed. To sentence someone to 4 years for this offence is actually uncivilsed, but the polo neck brigade can't see that.
How do you think the victim's family are feeling about the fact that this piece of rubbish will be out in two years?
He should have got 10 years minimum- even then, he'd in all likelihood be out in five.
[quote][p][bold]beachcomber1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aamy1999[/bold] wrote: It is absurd how nobody mentions why Mr Young was punched. Mr Young racially attacked Mr Gill and there are a number of witnesses that have said they heard Mr Young been racist . Unfortunately Mr Young died, that is why Mr Gill is been punished for his actions, but i do not think Mr Gill's intentions was to kill Mr Young, and this has been agreed by a number of people. Im not justifying Mr Gill's actions as nobody had the right to punch anybody but no on is perfect and people can be provoked.[/p][/quote]totally agree, look at the minus marks for this comment. if the victim said what he said then he deserved a slap. did he deserve to die? of course not. if a white man had punched a black man, who then inadvertently died i wonder what the reaction on here would've been.[/p][/quote]Do you know how pathetic this is? Yet another playing the race card. It may be black v white in your narrow little world, but most reasonable people will see it as a n obviously athletic 20 year old- with previous- hitting a harmless forty year old man who was standing in front of him with his hands in his pockets. So much for suspended sentences- forget the softly softly approach for rubbish like this fella. As someone else has alluded to, our ideas of what's 'civilised' in this country can be a bit skewed. To sentence someone to 4 years for this offence is actually uncivilsed, but the polo neck brigade can't see that. How do you think the victim's family are feeling about the fact that this piece of rubbish will be out in two years? He should have got 10 years minimum- even then, he'd in all likelihood be out in five. MancSteve
  • Score: 1

8:09pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Mr M Sansom says...

I knew the victim as child. Spent time in the cubs, scouts and school. He was never my best friend but he was a nice guy, clever and would never have hurt anyone, verbally or physically. This is a really sad day.

This man ws killed for telling someone no to ride a bke on the pavement.

The man who killed him only got 4 years. Its a joke.

Latchong on tp the only defence he had to ensure a reduced sentence - the racisim card. Andrew would never had said anything like that.

Its a sad day.

And take the video down now show some respect.
I knew the victim as child. Spent time in the cubs, scouts and school. He was never my best friend but he was a nice guy, clever and would never have hurt anyone, verbally or physically. This is a really sad day. This man ws killed for telling someone no to ride a bke on the pavement. The man who killed him only got 4 years. Its a joke. Latchong on tp the only defence he had to ensure a reduced sentence - the racisim card. Andrew would never had said anything like that. Its a sad day. And take the video down now show some respect. Mr M Sansom
  • Score: 2

8:12pm Wed 26 Feb 14

sainttappy says...

Killed for complaining about riding a bike on the pavement. How is this a four year sentence. It's murder. He punched him. He died. If he hadn't punched him he wouldn't have died. It's murder.

And racially abused was obviously going to be touted. Am I then forgiven if I beat the crap out of some sod who has something to say about gingers?

The retard deserves 15years.
Killed for complaining about riding a bike on the pavement. How is this a four year sentence. It's murder. He punched him. He died. If he hadn't punched him he wouldn't have died. It's murder. And racially abused was obviously going to be touted. Am I then forgiven if I beat the crap out of some sod who has something to say about gingers? The retard deserves 15years. sainttappy
  • Score: 4

10:41pm Wed 26 Feb 14

scrumpyjack says...

Mr M Sansom wrote:
I knew the victim as child. Spent time in the cubs, scouts and school. He was never my best friend but he was a nice guy, clever and would never have hurt anyone, verbally or physically. This is a really sad day.

This man ws killed for telling someone no to ride a bke on the pavement.

The man who killed him only got 4 years. Its a joke.

Latchong on tp the only defence he had to ensure a reduced sentence - the racisim card. Andrew would never had said anything like that.

Its a sad day.

And take the video down now show some respect.
That video has made this a rare story and therefore been picked up by the nationals - then it was picked up by local tv news - then by BBC and ITV main news.

From small acorns potential justice can be made.
[quote][p][bold]Mr M Sansom[/bold] wrote: I knew the victim as child. Spent time in the cubs, scouts and school. He was never my best friend but he was a nice guy, clever and would never have hurt anyone, verbally or physically. This is a really sad day. This man ws killed for telling someone no to ride a bke on the pavement. The man who killed him only got 4 years. Its a joke. Latchong on tp the only defence he had to ensure a reduced sentence - the racisim card. Andrew would never had said anything like that. Its a sad day. And take the video down now show some respect.[/p][/quote]That video has made this a rare story and therefore been picked up by the nationals - then it was picked up by local tv news - then by BBC and ITV main news. From small acorns potential justice can be made. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 4

7:32am Thu 27 Feb 14

Wilkie says...

Aside from the assault, there has to be something wrong with the wiring of the young man in the foreground from one of the cameras, who witnessed the severity of the incident. Surely, our basic human instinct would be to rush over to help the man, yet he just walks away.

Similarly with Gill. If he had an ounce of humanity about him, having pole-axed Andrew, he would have gone back to check that he hadn't inflicted serious injury on him. I'd like to think that the courts would have given significant mitigation had he done this. Personally, I am glad that this video has been release (obviously with the consent of the family) as for one thing it shows the unbelievable callousness of some of those in our society.
Aside from the assault, there has to be something wrong with the wiring of the young man in the foreground from one of the cameras, who witnessed the severity of the incident. Surely, our basic human instinct would be to rush over to help the man, yet he just walks away. Similarly with Gill. If he had an ounce of humanity about him, having pole-axed Andrew, he would have gone back to check that he hadn't inflicted serious injury on him. I'd like to think that the courts would have given significant mitigation had he done this. Personally, I am glad that this video has been release (obviously with the consent of the family) as for one thing it shows the unbelievable callousness of some of those in our society. Wilkie
  • Score: 4

12:49pm Thu 27 Feb 14

MancSteve says...

maxgamble2 wrote:
I'm shocked by the number of people who just walked past...
Nobody walked past. The really shocking thing about the fact that this video was shown on here, is that it was preceded by a commercial- remind me never to buy a Volvo.
[quote][p][bold]maxgamble2[/bold] wrote: I'm shocked by the number of people who just walked past...[/p][/quote]Nobody walked past. The really shocking thing about the fact that this video was shown on here, is that it was preceded by a commercial- remind me never to buy a Volvo. MancSteve
  • Score: 2

6:33pm Thu 27 Feb 14

sundaydriver says...

Volvo aye? when I watched the video it was sponsored by Twix! so lets add them to the list also
Volvo aye? when I watched the video it was sponsored by Twix! so lets add them to the list also sundaydriver
  • Score: 1

9:25pm Thu 27 Feb 14

MancSteve says...

sundaydriver wrote:
Volvo aye? when I watched the video it was sponsored by Twix! so lets add them to the list also
It's really about whoever decides that videos like this should feature any commercial. Says it all about modern values.
[quote][p][bold]sundaydriver[/bold] wrote: Volvo aye? when I watched the video it was sponsored by Twix! so lets add them to the list also[/p][/quote]It's really about whoever decides that videos like this should feature any commercial. Says it all about modern values. MancSteve
  • Score: 2

6:52pm Fri 28 Feb 14

bubblegum84 says...

The guy smoking a fag after, barely flinched. Who the hell are these people? Think they own the gaddamn place, do they?.. What a joke.
The guy smoking a fag after, barely flinched. Who the hell are these people? Think they own the gaddamn place, do they?.. What a joke. bubblegum84
  • Score: 1

11:10pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Fairypeace says...

R.I.P Andrew, I wish sometimes their was such thing as a hell, people like these thugs needs locking up for life and punished in an after life, for all the pain and suffering they have inflicted upon others. Poor chap
R.I.P Andrew, I wish sometimes their was such thing as a hell, people like these thugs needs locking up for life and punished in an after life, for all the pain and suffering they have inflicted upon others. Poor chap Fairypeace
  • Score: 0

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