Lewis Gill sentenced to four years for manslaughter after killing Andrew Young with single punch outside Tesco store in Charminster

Lewis Gill

Andrew Young

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A THUG who killed a man with a single punch was jailed for four years and six months yesterday.

Asperger’s sufferer Andrew Young, 40, died after 20-year-old Lewis Gill lashed out in November last year.

The defendant, of no fixed abode, from Sutton in Surrey, struck Mr Young after the victim exchanged words with an acquaintance.

Victor Ibitoye had been riding a bike on the pavement at Charminster Road when he was confronted by Mr Young, who said it was a “dangerous” activity.

Mr Ibitoye was next to Gill’s ex-girlfriend, Wendy Cagua-Rodriguez, while the defendant walked behind.

Gill threw a single punch, connecting with Mr Young’s temple, after he heard the victim say to Mr Ibitoye: “Why don’t you go back to the jungle?”

Kerry Maylin, prosecuting, showed CCTV footage of the incident to Salisbury Crown Court.

In the video, Gill, who admitted manslaughter last month, can be seen striking Mr Young before the victim falls flat on his back on the ground.

She said: “The defendant claims he was worried about Andrew Young be-cause he thought he was being menacing.

“He said Andrew Young put his hand to his pocket and he thought he was going to pull out a knife or a gun.”

However, Judge Keith Cutler said Mr Young did not represent a threat, and sentenced Gill to four years in prison for manslaughter.

He was also sentenced to two three-month prison terms to run consecutively for committing the offence while on a suspended sentence for robbery, and for handling stolen goods.

Judge Cutler said: “You are a powerfully-built youngman.

“You must have known that it was going to cause a significant injury and, very sadly, it did.”

Steven Perian, defending, said Gill was upset after a “lover’s quarrel” with his former girlfriend.
“He wishes he could turn back the clock and not react in the way he did,” he said.

Mr Young died the following day, November 7, following surgery at Southampton General Hospital.

He struck his head on the pavement after the punch, and a postmortem found no injuries to suggest that he had tried to defend himself.

The former Bournemouth School pupil, who spoke a number of languages, was a member of St Edmund Campion Church in Bournemouth.

Mum Pamela, who sat beside her son when he died, said: “Andrew had the social skills age of a 14-year-old.

“He was very precise and particular because of his Asperger's and he wouldn’t have liked seeing someone riding a bicycle on the pavement because it was dangerous.

“I sat with him when he died. I wish that awful man [Gill] who took my son away had pleaded not guilty so he would have got longer [after a trial].”

Detective Inspector Marcus Hester, of Dorset Police’s Major Crime Team, said: “This was a violent attack on an innocent man which had a tragic outcome.

“Criminal behaviour such as this will not be tolerated and we are committed to bringing offenders to justice.”

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4:21pm Fri 21 Feb 14

hooplaa says...

4 years for killing someone!
4 years for killing someone! hooplaa
  • Score: 58

4:21pm Fri 21 Feb 14

pete woodley says...

Already on a suspended sentence when he struck out, uses racist excuse, only 4 years out in two.WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.I was assaulted in Sainsbuys at alder hills on thu20th.,security did not want to know despite two elderly customers coming to my assistance,to confirm what had happened,when my wife and i complained we were threatened with being banned.Customers beware.
Already on a suspended sentence when he struck out, uses racist excuse, only 4 years out in two.WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.I was assaulted in Sainsbuys at alder hills on thu20th.,security did not want to know despite two elderly customers coming to my assistance,to confirm what had happened,when my wife and i complained we were threatened with being banned.Customers beware. pete woodley
  • Score: 47

4:30pm Fri 21 Feb 14

BmthNewshound says...

Four years, so could back on the streets in a couple of years. Hardly an adequate sentence for such a terrible crime.
Four years, so could back on the streets in a couple of years. Hardly an adequate sentence for such a terrible crime. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 73

4:33pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Wesoblind says...

4 years! should have been life, hit anyone in the head and you will always risk serious damage or death.
4 years! should have been life, hit anyone in the head and you will always risk serious damage or death. Wesoblind
  • Score: 64

4:36pm Fri 21 Feb 14

joeinpoole says...

4 years and back on our streets in two. For killing a defenceless man. Utterly ridiculous.

This sentence needs to be appealed.
4 years and back on our streets in two. For killing a defenceless man. Utterly ridiculous. This sentence needs to be appealed. joeinpoole
  • Score: 67

4:42pm Fri 21 Feb 14

kangaroo_joey says...

I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.
I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting. kangaroo_joey
  • Score: -128

5:19pm Fri 21 Feb 14

itsneverblackorwhite says...

regardless of what was said 4 years is a pathetic sentence!!
regardless of what was said 4 years is a pathetic sentence!! itsneverblackorwhite
  • Score: 58

5:37pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Girl313 says...

I knew Andrew. He was a lovely man, always smiling. 4 years is not enough for murdering such a loved member of the community. Very upset to hear this. RIP Andrew
I knew Andrew. He was a lovely man, always smiling. 4 years is not enough for murdering such a loved member of the community. Very upset to hear this. RIP Andrew Girl313
  • Score: 66

5:37pm Fri 21 Feb 14

pete woodley says...

itsneverblackorwhite wrote:
regardless of what was said 4 years is a pathetic sentence!!
Did he say it,or is one backing his mate.Its NOT the first time excuses like this have been made.
[quote][p][bold]itsneverblackorwhite[/bold] wrote: regardless of what was said 4 years is a pathetic sentence!![/p][/quote]Did he say it,or is one backing his mate.Its NOT the first time excuses like this have been made. pete woodley
  • Score: 64

5:39pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Dave DLT says...

kangaroo_joey wrote:
I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.
How do you know he even said that, the only witness was this thugs friend who acted as his witness. Racism is bought up as a defence too frequently nowadays and its not always genuine!
[quote][p][bold]kangaroo_joey[/bold] wrote: I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.[/p][/quote]How do you know he even said that, the only witness was this thugs friend who acted as his witness. Racism is bought up as a defence too frequently nowadays and its not always genuine! Dave DLT
  • Score: 87

6:04pm Fri 21 Feb 14

contric says...

the reality is life is cheap in this country now
the reality is life is cheap in this country now contric
  • Score: 36

6:07pm Fri 21 Feb 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

Animals do belong in the jungle.
.
He should be given another 20yrs for such a pathetic lie; I mean excuse..
Animals do belong in the jungle. . He should be given another 20yrs for such a pathetic lie; I mean excuse.. HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 23

6:10pm Fri 21 Feb 14

old duffa says...

4 years,
gill you are a thug
you wanted for robbery
have fun naughty boy ,word will get round you killed a kid
whats wrong you could not resist to hit a soft target
f u
4 years, gill you are a thug you wanted for robbery have fun naughty boy ,word will get round you killed a kid whats wrong you could not resist to hit a soft target f u old duffa
  • Score: 18

6:31pm Fri 21 Feb 14

High Treason says...

kangaroo_joey wrote:
I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.
What a load of complete snivelling rubbish. Mummy mummy he called me names, boo hoo its not fair. We have a country full of brain dead wimps, lashing out if they get called names, claiming compensation for stubbing their toe on a piece of gravel. A pathetic legal system. This country has had it.
[quote][p][bold]kangaroo_joey[/bold] wrote: I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.[/p][/quote]What a load of complete snivelling rubbish. Mummy mummy he called me names, boo hoo its not fair. We have a country full of brain dead wimps, lashing out if they get called names, claiming compensation for stubbing their toe on a piece of gravel. A pathetic legal system. This country has had it. High Treason
  • Score: 44

6:45pm Fri 21 Feb 14

MMM444 says...

High Treason wrote:
kangaroo_joey wrote:
I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.
What a load of complete snivelling rubbish. Mummy mummy he called me names, boo hoo its not fair. We have a country full of brain dead wimps, lashing out if they get called names, claiming compensation for stubbing their toe on a piece of gravel. A pathetic legal system. This country has had it.
"A pathetic legal system. This country has had it". Absolutely spot on, perfectly put.
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kangaroo_joey[/bold] wrote: I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.[/p][/quote]What a load of complete snivelling rubbish. Mummy mummy he called me names, boo hoo its not fair. We have a country full of brain dead wimps, lashing out if they get called names, claiming compensation for stubbing their toe on a piece of gravel. A pathetic legal system. This country has had it.[/p][/quote]"A pathetic legal system. This country has had it". Absolutely spot on, perfectly put. MMM444
  • Score: 28

6:50pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Sianna86 says...

What an absolute disgrace. Using the racial card as well! 4 years is not enough, he will be walking the streets in no time - who will he attack and kill next for saying something out of place??
What an absolute disgrace. Using the racial card as well! 4 years is not enough, he will be walking the streets in no time - who will he attack and kill next for saying something out of place?? Sianna86
  • Score: 35

6:52pm Fri 21 Feb 14

RM says...

So a man is killed and a thug who already had a criminal record will be back on the street in two years. Think the British MisJustice System is long overdue for a review & sweeping changes. Think so even more having seen that in the 'In the Dock' section yet another pervert from Poole has got a Community Order.
So a man is killed and a thug who already had a criminal record will be back on the street in two years. Think the British MisJustice System is long overdue for a review & sweeping changes. Think so even more having seen that in the 'In the Dock' section yet another pervert from Poole has got a Community Order. RM
  • Score: 26

7:25pm Fri 21 Feb 14

kalebmoledirt says...

If Bournemouth chooses to create a breeding ground for such behaviour.with it's acceptance of thuggery, drunkenness drug dealing and facilitating a dormitory for the low life who want operatate in the area that was once considered a bastion of gracious living.then I propose this ratbag be put forward as the face of Bournemouth when he is released
If Bournemouth chooses to create a breeding ground for such behaviour.with it's acceptance of thuggery, drunkenness drug dealing and facilitating a dormitory for the low life who want operatate in the area that was once considered a bastion of gracious living.then I propose this ratbag be put forward as the face of Bournemouth when he is released kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 20

8:05pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Huey says...

He should serve 20 years and have his knuckles smashed in
He should serve 20 years and have his knuckles smashed in Huey
  • Score: 31

8:08pm Fri 21 Feb 14

dj2761 says...

kangaroo_joey wrote:
I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.
The question is did he say "why don't you go back to the jungle" we only have this thugs word that this was said.
[quote][p][bold]kangaroo_joey[/bold] wrote: I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.[/p][/quote]The question is did he say "why don't you go back to the jungle" we only have this thugs word that this was said. dj2761
  • Score: 25

8:54pm Fri 21 Feb 14

funkyferret says...

The disparity is due to what Mr Gill actually did, NOT the outcome.
One Single punch. No weapon used etc.
An exceptionally unfortunate outcome, but if he had only caused a cut, the same actions would have resulted in an offence of causing causing Actual Bodily Harm (or similar).
The disparity is due to what Mr Gill actually did, NOT the outcome. One Single punch. No weapon used etc. An exceptionally unfortunate outcome, but if he had only caused a cut, the same actions would have resulted in an offence of causing causing Actual Bodily Harm (or similar). funkyferret
  • Score: -21

8:55pm Fri 21 Feb 14

dylexic bobert says...

kangaroo_joey wrote:
I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.
Your right joey he deserved to die for saying what he did.Everyone in Charminster should have congratulated Mr Gill for saving the world from another racist.
For Christ's sake even if he didn't have aspergers this is no defence for killing a man.
He can't even defend himself against from this slur on his character as the black dude killed him.
[quote][p][bold]kangaroo_joey[/bold] wrote: I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.[/p][/quote]Your right joey he deserved to die for saying what he did.Everyone in Charminster should have congratulated Mr Gill for saving the world from another racist. For Christ's sake even if he didn't have aspergers this is no defence for killing a man. He can't even defend himself against from this slur on his character as the black dude killed him. dylexic bobert
  • Score: 23

9:14pm Fri 21 Feb 14

boby says...

What this boy should always remember that there Is somebody bigger than yourself in life. He may think his a big boy now, what with the record. He can lord it up and show his muscles. Blag some boys inside. Well one day he will have to man up look in the mirror without mummy and daddy on his own. And be a real man . thats when he will struggle. You cant bluff forever, and he will be getting older. He took the cowards way out . One day he will be judged.
What this boy should always remember that there Is somebody bigger than yourself in life. He may think his a big boy now, what with the record. He can lord it up and show his muscles. Blag some boys inside. Well one day he will have to man up look in the mirror without mummy and daddy on his own. And be a real man . thats when he will struggle. You cant bluff forever, and he will be getting older. He took the cowards way out . One day he will be judged. boby
  • Score: 11

10:42pm Fri 21 Feb 14

BoscombeWarLord says...

4 years is disgusting. Guaranteed if a white man had hit a black man and killed him, there would be an almighty hoo-ha. It would be dealt with as a race hate crime, regardless of the perpetrators lame excuses and justification.

Gill doesn't belong in the jungle, but at the end of a length of rope.
4 years is disgusting. Guaranteed if a white man had hit a black man and killed him, there would be an almighty hoo-ha. It would be dealt with as a race hate crime, regardless of the perpetrators lame excuses and justification. Gill doesn't belong in the jungle, but at the end of a length of rope. BoscombeWarLord
  • Score: 23

11:05pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Yankee1 says...

Four years,

He will be out sooner.

Does the UK permit civil suits? Sue the man for deprivation. That will be a far worse punishment.
Four years, He will be out sooner. Does the UK permit civil suits? Sue the man for deprivation. That will be a far worse punishment. Yankee1
  • Score: 15

2:43am Sat 22 Feb 14

themindboggles says...

Anti-Racism laws are clearly racist and cause racism. This is a disgrace, he clearly got a lighter sentence for saying he was the victim of a racist slur. There should be a full sentence review, he should get a longer sentence.

Everybody knows if it was the other way around it would be a massive scandal, no doubt making National news.
Anti-Racism laws are clearly racist and cause racism. This is a disgrace, he clearly got a lighter sentence for saying he was the victim of a racist slur. There should be a full sentence review, he should get a longer sentence. Everybody knows if it was the other way around it would be a massive scandal, no doubt making National news. themindboggles
  • Score: 27

4:11am Sat 22 Feb 14

realvegas1 says...

Whether the guy said the jungle comment or not, he obviously never meant to kill him did he. unfortunate outcome but you cant expect to see the lad get 30 years for punching someone. Be different if it was a stabbing or shooting
Whether the guy said the jungle comment or not, he obviously never meant to kill him did he. unfortunate outcome but you cant expect to see the lad get 30 years for punching someone. Be different if it was a stabbing or shooting realvegas1
  • Score: -27

6:28am Sat 22 Feb 14

we-shall-see says...

kangaroo_joey wrote:
I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.
We only have the killers word that Andrew said that remark ...... after all, Andrew is not here to defend himself and confirm or deny the remark.

Having known Andrew when he worked at Castlepoint, it is not the sort of thing I would expect him to say and personally, I don't believe he did so - but whether he did or not, this sentence is too lenient and makes a mockery of the system of so-called justice .......
[quote][p][bold]kangaroo_joey[/bold] wrote: I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.[/p][/quote]We only have the killers word that Andrew said that remark ...... after all, Andrew is not here to defend himself and confirm or deny the remark. Having known Andrew when he worked at Castlepoint, it is not the sort of thing I would expect him to say and personally, I don't believe he did so - but whether he did or not, this sentence is too lenient and makes a mockery of the system of so-called justice ....... we-shall-see
  • Score: 26

7:42am Sat 22 Feb 14

dommyball says...

This makes me feel sick the thug should have got at least double and his mate should have gone down for contempt of court for what was obviously a lie about the racist statement claim.

The jungle is far too nicer place for this scum.
This makes me feel sick the thug should have got at least double and his mate should have gone down for contempt of court for what was obviously a lie about the racist statement claim. The jungle is far too nicer place for this scum. dommyball
  • Score: 19

7:54am Sat 22 Feb 14

billy bumble says...

themindboggles wrote:
Anti-Racism laws are clearly racist and cause racism. This is a disgrace, he clearly got a lighter sentence for saying he was the victim of a racist slur. There should be a full sentence review, he should get a longer sentence.

Everybody knows if it was the other way around it would be a massive scandal, no doubt making National news.
Precisely correct

If a white person hits a black person he is charged with Racially Aggravated Assault

If a black hits a white it's Common Assault

Go figure
[quote][p][bold]themindboggles[/bold] wrote: Anti-Racism laws are clearly racist and cause racism. This is a disgrace, he clearly got a lighter sentence for saying he was the victim of a racist slur. There should be a full sentence review, he should get a longer sentence. Everybody knows if it was the other way around it would be a massive scandal, no doubt making National news.[/p][/quote]Precisely correct If a white person hits a black person he is charged with Racially Aggravated Assault If a black hits a white it's Common Assault Go figure billy bumble
  • Score: 22

8:43am Sat 22 Feb 14

RM says...

Echo, shouldn't that sub-heading contain the word 'allegedly'? Mrs Young, sincere condolences. Your son Andrew deserved better.
Echo, shouldn't that sub-heading contain the word 'allegedly'? Mrs Young, sincere condolences. Your son Andrew deserved better. RM
  • Score: 20

9:31am Sat 22 Feb 14

a.g.o.g. says...

The Echo may one day be given cause to regret use of the term ""thug"" to describe somebody who, we do not know from the rest of the article, has no record of criminal violence other than that of delivering this one punch that caused such a sad fatality.
The Echo may one day be given cause to regret use of the term ""thug"" to describe somebody who, we do not know from the rest of the article, has no record of criminal violence other than that of delivering this one punch that caused such a sad fatality. a.g.o.g.
  • Score: -24

9:53am Sat 22 Feb 14

abc100 says...

pete woodley wrote:
Already on a suspended sentence when he struck out, uses racist excuse, only 4 years out in two.WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.I was assaulted in Sainsbuys at alder hills on thu20th.,security did not want to know despite two elderly customers coming to my assistance,to confirm what had happened,when my wife and i complained we were threatened with being banned.Customers beware.
No one should be assaulted, but when I saw the user name the first thing I thought was I bet he was trying to wind someone up like he tries to on this site, hope your ok though as no one deserves to be assaulted
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Already on a suspended sentence when he struck out, uses racist excuse, only 4 years out in two.WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.I was assaulted in Sainsbuys at alder hills on thu20th.,security did not want to know despite two elderly customers coming to my assistance,to confirm what had happened,when my wife and i complained we were threatened with being banned.Customers beware.[/p][/quote]No one should be assaulted, but when I saw the user name the first thing I thought was I bet he was trying to wind someone up like he tries to on this site, hope your ok though as no one deserves to be assaulted abc100
  • Score: 4

11:07am Sat 22 Feb 14

Lord Spring says...

pete woodley wrote:
itsneverblackorwhite wrote:
regardless of what was said 4 years is a pathetic sentence!!
Did he say it,or is one backing his mate.Its NOT the first time excuses like this have been made.
It is known as the Pompey Defence in legal parlance
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsneverblackorwhite[/bold] wrote: regardless of what was said 4 years is a pathetic sentence!![/p][/quote]Did he say it,or is one backing his mate.Its NOT the first time excuses like this have been made.[/p][/quote]It is known as the Pompey Defence in legal parlance Lord Spring
  • Score: 3

11:12am Sat 22 Feb 14

pete woodley says...

abc100 wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
Already on a suspended sentence when he struck out, uses racist excuse, only 4 years out in two.WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.I was assaulted in Sainsbuys at alder hills on thu20th.,security did not want to know despite two elderly customers coming to my assistance,to confirm what had happened,when my wife and i complained we were threatened with being banned.Customers beware.
No one should be assaulted, but when I saw the user name the first thing I thought was I bet he was trying to wind someone up like he tries to on this site, hope your ok though as no one deserves to be assaulted
abc100,thanks for comment.Still a bit shook up,as now coming up to 80.What is upsetting is the fact that despite two customers coming to my defence,security did not want to know,and i too could have hit my head like the poor man outside tescos,and the other outside one stop in winton a while back.The poor excuse by some that they did not intend to kill,stinks.Assaulti
ng anyone is bad enough but someone nearly 80 makes you wonder about the mentality of the assailant and what else he could or has done.Has he done it before ?.Why did he take off quickly when security appeared ?.I did shop security for many years,and found out that most offenders have previous,and are involved in many offences.
[quote][p][bold]abc100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Already on a suspended sentence when he struck out, uses racist excuse, only 4 years out in two.WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.I was assaulted in Sainsbuys at alder hills on thu20th.,security did not want to know despite two elderly customers coming to my assistance,to confirm what had happened,when my wife and i complained we were threatened with being banned.Customers beware.[/p][/quote]No one should be assaulted, but when I saw the user name the first thing I thought was I bet he was trying to wind someone up like he tries to on this site, hope your ok though as no one deserves to be assaulted[/p][/quote]abc100,thanks for comment.Still a bit shook up,as now coming up to 80.What is upsetting is the fact that despite two customers coming to my defence,security did not want to know,and i too could have hit my head like the poor man outside tescos,and the other outside one stop in winton a while back.The poor excuse by some that they did not intend to kill,stinks.Assaulti ng anyone is bad enough but someone nearly 80 makes you wonder about the mentality of the assailant and what else he could or has done.Has he done it before ?.Why did he take off quickly when security appeared ?.I did shop security for many years,and found out that most offenders have previous,and are involved in many offences. pete woodley
  • Score: 3

11:36am Sat 22 Feb 14

nosuchluck54 says...

Couldn't make it up, could you?????????
Couldn't make it up, could you????????? nosuchluck54
  • Score: 5

11:40am Sat 22 Feb 14

scrumpyjack says...

kangaroo_joey wrote:
I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.
I wonder what the victim of his robbery said?

(or the others which he got away with said)

Or the victims of the goods which were stolen said?

Or all the other people he has punched and attacked over the years said?
[quote][p][bold]kangaroo_joey[/bold] wrote: I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.[/p][/quote]I wonder what the victim of his robbery said? (or the others which he got away with said) Or the victims of the goods which were stolen said? Or all the other people he has punched and attacked over the years said? scrumpyjack
  • Score: 12

12:05pm Sat 22 Feb 14

pete woodley says...

Was this the maximum sentence,or did the judge show compassion,because of the so called racial excuse ?.
Was this the maximum sentence,or did the judge show compassion,because of the so called racial excuse ?. pete woodley
  • Score: 12

12:24pm Sat 22 Feb 14

ShuttleX says...

a.g.o.g. wrote:
The Echo may one day be given cause to regret use of the term ""thug"" to describe somebody who, we do not know from the rest of the article, has no record of criminal violence other than that of delivering this one punch that caused such a sad fatality.
"Robbery is the crime of taking or attempting to take something of value by force or threat of force or by putting the victim in fear"

As your boyfriend was already on a suspended sentence for such a crime, I think SCUM just about covers it nicely. You leap to his defence if you wish, but you will find others are not so forgiving.
[quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: The Echo may one day be given cause to regret use of the term ""thug"" to describe somebody who, we do not know from the rest of the article, has no record of criminal violence other than that of delivering this one punch that caused such a sad fatality.[/p][/quote]"Robbery is the crime of taking or attempting to take something of value by force or threat of force or by putting the victim in fear" As your boyfriend was already on a suspended sentence for such a crime, I think SCUM just about covers it nicely. You leap to his defence if you wish, but you will find others are not so forgiving. ShuttleX
  • Score: 15

12:53pm Sat 22 Feb 14

a.g.o.g. says...

point taken that he has a robbery conviction which I missed but the legal definition for his status is that of a `Robber` and, if of serial conviction as some have said but which I would ? due to his suspended sentencing, then and even so, well deserving of stiffer penalty indeed
point taken that he has a robbery conviction which I missed but the legal definition for his status is that of a `Robber` and, if of serial conviction as some have said but which I would ? due to his suspended sentencing, then and even so, well deserving of stiffer penalty indeed a.g.o.g.
  • Score: -7

3:15pm Sat 22 Feb 14

goatty says...

MMM444 wrote:
High Treason wrote:
kangaroo_joey wrote:
I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.
What a load of complete snivelling rubbish. Mummy mummy he called me names, boo hoo its not fair. We have a country full of brain dead wimps, lashing out if they get called names, claiming compensation for stubbing their toe on a piece of gravel. A pathetic legal system. This country has had it.
"A pathetic legal system. This country has had it". Absolutely spot on, perfectly put.
You could not have put it any better. Totally agree
[quote][p][bold]MMM444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kangaroo_joey[/bold] wrote: I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.[/p][/quote]What a load of complete snivelling rubbish. Mummy mummy he called me names, boo hoo its not fair. We have a country full of brain dead wimps, lashing out if they get called names, claiming compensation for stubbing their toe on a piece of gravel. A pathetic legal system. This country has had it.[/p][/quote]"A pathetic legal system. This country has had it". Absolutely spot on, perfectly put.[/p][/quote]You could not have put it any better. Totally agree goatty
  • Score: 5

3:54pm Sat 22 Feb 14

BRAKE123 says...

bOURNEMOUTH used to be such a quiet place to live then the DRUG REHABS opened and the floodgates were opened!

The sentence handed out to this vile scum bag! is beyond belief!

Life for a life!
bOURNEMOUTH used to be such a quiet place to live then the DRUG REHABS opened and the floodgates were opened! The sentence handed out to this vile scum bag! is beyond belief! Life for a life! BRAKE123
  • Score: 13

8:03pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Mr Southbourne says...

funkyferret wrote:
The disparity is due to what Mr Gill actually did, NOT the outcome.
One Single punch. No weapon used etc.
An exceptionally unfortunate outcome, but if he had only caused a cut, the same actions would have resulted in an offence of causing causing Actual Bodily Harm (or similar).
If you choose to lay a hard punch, on someone vulnerable, in a public place, in broad daylight, having committed a crime already (riding on pavement for starters), you deserve punishment. Don't try & trivialise this violent crime with vague, feeble attempts at philosophy. In your school of thought people would continually get away with crimes such as drink driving, it'd just be 'unlucky' outcomes that would mean punishment. And, you imply someone should only be punished if using a 'weapon'? Fists are pretty adequate as weapons actually. What if the victim was your son, friend, brother etc? Pathetic (you & Gill).
[quote][p][bold]funkyferret[/bold] wrote: The disparity is due to what Mr Gill actually did, NOT the outcome. One Single punch. No weapon used etc. An exceptionally unfortunate outcome, but if he had only caused a cut, the same actions would have resulted in an offence of causing causing Actual Bodily Harm (or similar).[/p][/quote]If you choose to lay a hard punch, on someone vulnerable, in a public place, in broad daylight, having committed a crime already (riding on pavement for starters), you deserve punishment. Don't try & trivialise this violent crime with vague, feeble attempts at philosophy. In your school of thought people would continually get away with crimes such as drink driving, it'd just be 'unlucky' outcomes that would mean punishment. And, you imply someone should only be punished if using a 'weapon'? Fists are pretty adequate as weapons actually. What if the victim was your son, friend, brother etc? Pathetic (you & Gill). Mr Southbourne
  • Score: 11

2:45am Sun 23 Feb 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

I do seriously wonder what goes on in the heads of these judges that give such perfetic sentences for crimes like this, if he had punched him and not killed him he should have got four years and I have seen comparable sentences for assault where that has been the sentence but to be responsible for someone's death does deserve a far greater sentence otherwise the judge is putting out the totally wrong message to others.
I do seriously wonder what goes on in the heads of these judges that give such perfetic sentences for crimes like this, if he had punched him and not killed him he should have got four years and I have seen comparable sentences for assault where that has been the sentence but to be responsible for someone's death does deserve a far greater sentence otherwise the judge is putting out the totally wrong message to others. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 8

10:35pm Sun 23 Feb 14

misplacedspaniard says...

pete woodley wrote:
abc100 wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
Already on a suspended sentence when he struck out, uses racist excuse, only 4 years out in two.WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.I was assaulted in Sainsbuys at alder hills on thu20th.,security did not want to know despite two elderly customers coming to my assistance,to confirm what had happened,when my wife and i complained we were threatened with being banned.Customers beware.
No one should be assaulted, but when I saw the user name the first thing I thought was I bet he was trying to wind someone up like he tries to on this site, hope your ok though as no one deserves to be assaulted
abc100,thanks for comment.Still a bit shook up,as now coming up to 80.What is upsetting is the fact that despite two customers coming to my defence,security did not want to know,and i too could have hit my head like the poor man outside tescos,and the other outside one stop in winton a while back.The poor excuse by some that they did not intend to kill,stinks.Assaulti

ng anyone is bad enough but someone nearly 80 makes you wonder about the mentality of the assailant and what else he could or has done.Has he done it before ?.Why did he take off quickly when security appeared ?.I did shop security for many years,and found out that most offenders have previous,and are involved in many offences.
It doesn't matter how old you are age is irrelevant. Assaulting anyone is wrong and shakes people up. Regardless of age race or creed.
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abc100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Already on a suspended sentence when he struck out, uses racist excuse, only 4 years out in two.WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.I was assaulted in Sainsbuys at alder hills on thu20th.,security did not want to know despite two elderly customers coming to my assistance,to confirm what had happened,when my wife and i complained we were threatened with being banned.Customers beware.[/p][/quote]No one should be assaulted, but when I saw the user name the first thing I thought was I bet he was trying to wind someone up like he tries to on this site, hope your ok though as no one deserves to be assaulted[/p][/quote]abc100,thanks for comment.Still a bit shook up,as now coming up to 80.What is upsetting is the fact that despite two customers coming to my defence,security did not want to know,and i too could have hit my head like the poor man outside tescos,and the other outside one stop in winton a while back.The poor excuse by some that they did not intend to kill,stinks.Assaulti ng anyone is bad enough but someone nearly 80 makes you wonder about the mentality of the assailant and what else he could or has done.Has he done it before ?.Why did he take off quickly when security appeared ?.I did shop security for many years,and found out that most offenders have previous,and are involved in many offences.[/p][/quote]It doesn't matter how old you are age is irrelevant. Assaulting anyone is wrong and shakes people up. Regardless of age race or creed. misplacedspaniard
  • Score: 0

10:52pm Sun 23 Feb 14

BRAKE123 says...

Maybe a good idea to have this SCUMBAG retried for this pathetic sentice he was given they put bad dogs down! I say re trial !
Maybe a good idea to have this SCUMBAG retried for this pathetic sentice he was given they put bad dogs down! I say re trial ! BRAKE123
  • Score: 2

1:19am Mon 24 Feb 14

elfinia says...

He didn't have a trial. He pleaded guilty.
I seem to remember he ran away aswell and was found by the police
in Croydon ( ?).
I remember Andrew on the check outs at Asda. I realised he was vulnerable
but kind and polite. "If" ...and I say "if" he said the jungle comment it was probably after verbal provocation on their part.Sticks and stones.....theres no need to punch someone for a stupid comment. The whole thing is so very sad.
My heart goes out to Andrew's mum.
My son is 21 and also has Aspergers and I am constantly aware of his vulnerability.
I hope that Lewis Gill serves the full sentence and is closely monitored upon release.( of course he should have got longer)
He didn't have a trial. He pleaded guilty. I seem to remember he ran away aswell and was found by the police in Croydon ( ?). I remember Andrew on the check outs at Asda. I realised he was vulnerable but kind and polite. "If" ...and I say "if" he said the jungle comment it was probably after verbal provocation on their part.Sticks and stones.....theres no need to punch someone for a stupid comment. The whole thing is so very sad. My heart goes out to Andrew's mum. My son is 21 and also has Aspergers and I am constantly aware of his vulnerability. I hope that Lewis Gill serves the full sentence and is closely monitored upon release.( of course he should have got longer) elfinia
  • Score: 6

11:50am Mon 24 Feb 14

suzigirl says...

kangaroo_joey wrote:
I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.
and if his mate was not illegally cycling on the pavement then the incident would also not have happened!
[quote][p][bold]kangaroo_joey[/bold] wrote: I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.[/p][/quote]and if his mate was not illegally cycling on the pavement then the incident would also not have happened! suzigirl
  • Score: 3

11:54am Mon 24 Feb 14

suzigirl says...

pete woodley wrote:
Already on a suspended sentence when he struck out, uses racist excuse, only 4 years out in two.WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.I was assaulted in Sainsbuys at alder hills on thu20th.,security did not want to know despite two elderly customers coming to my assistance,to confirm what had happened,when my wife and i complained we were threatened with being banned.Customers beware.
Why were you assaulted then?
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Already on a suspended sentence when he struck out, uses racist excuse, only 4 years out in two.WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.I was assaulted in Sainsbuys at alder hills on thu20th.,security did not want to know despite two elderly customers coming to my assistance,to confirm what had happened,when my wife and i complained we were threatened with being banned.Customers beware.[/p][/quote]Why were you assaulted then? suzigirl
  • Score: 0

6:04pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

dj2761 wrote:
kangaroo_joey wrote:
I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.
The question is did he say "why don't you go back to the jungle" we only have this thugs word that this was said.
Does it really matter whether he said it or not, there are laws in this country against racism, so this thug could have reported him for that. Just because someone makes a racist comment which in this case I find highly unlikely, it still should not give them the right to punch someone, let alone murder them.

The fact that this was taken into consideration in sentencing says this judge should not be allowed anywhere near a courtroom!
[quote][p][bold]dj2761[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kangaroo_joey[/bold] wrote: I agree that 4 years isnt long enough but lets not forget if he hadn't of said an utterly disgusting thing like "Why dont you go back to the jungle" then this wouldnt have happened. Yes he lacks social skills but he still had the social skills of a 14 year old and most 14 years olds know the difference between right and wrong and know that a term like that is disgusting.[/p][/quote]The question is did he say "why don't you go back to the jungle" we only have this thugs word that this was said.[/p][/quote]Does it really matter whether he said it or not, there are laws in this country against racism, so this thug could have reported him for that. Just because someone makes a racist comment which in this case I find highly unlikely, it still should not give them the right to punch someone, let alone murder them. The fact that this was taken into consideration in sentencing says this judge should not be allowed anywhere near a courtroom! Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 4

6:55pm Tue 25 Feb 14

nking1 says...

If he had done this in America, he'd be a free man, and maybe even invited to the White House. People get punched all the time in "The Knockout Game", and the government media does it's best to ignore it. It downplays flash-mobs, as well. The justice system talks a big talk, but doesn't really do anything meaningful. There was one exception where a white guy tried it in Texas, which is like finding a unicorn, and was quickly arrested, and slapped with a hate crime charge. Hooray.
If he had done this in America, he'd be a free man, and maybe even invited to the White House. People get punched all the time in "The Knockout Game", and the government media does it's best to ignore it. It downplays flash-mobs, as well. The justice system talks a big talk, but doesn't really do anything meaningful. There was one exception where a white guy tried it in Texas, which is like finding a unicorn, and was quickly arrested, and slapped with a hate crime charge. Hooray. nking1
  • Score: 2

8:47am Wed 26 Feb 14

Skye14 says...

Shocking. Four and a half years?????

Bloody disgrace. What chance do people with autism have when this goes on. Tell you what, had the perpetrator been White and the victim been an ethnic minority the assailant would have got life and we would have been hearing about it for years.
Folk with autism are a minority group too but do not get the protection that is proffered to ethnic minorities, homosexuals, women, etc.
Guy's mistake is that he was male and White.

These Islands are being governed by plebs
Shocking. Four and a half years????? Bloody disgrace. What chance do people with autism have when this goes on. Tell you what, had the perpetrator been White and the victim been an ethnic minority the assailant would have got life and we would have been hearing about it for years. Folk with autism are a minority group too but do not get the protection that is proffered to ethnic minorities, homosexuals, women, etc. Guy's mistake is that he was male and White. These Islands are being governed by plebs Skye14
  • Score: 4

11:45am Wed 26 Feb 14

seaviews says...

Help get the law changed regarding 'Judge for Life' problem..

https://submissions.
epetitions.direct.go
v.uk/petitions/49745
Help get the law changed regarding 'Judge for Life' problem.. https://submissions. epetitions.direct.go v.uk/petitions/49745 seaviews
  • Score: 2

12:45pm Wed 26 Feb 14

chester21 says...

http://www.change.or
g/petitions/attorney
-general-review-the-
judgement-in-the-cas
e-of-andrew-young-an
d-lewis-gill

Please sign and share
http://www.change.or g/petitions/attorney -general-review-the- judgement-in-the-cas e-of-andrew-young-an d-lewis-gill Please sign and share chester21
  • Score: 1

2:13pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

chester21 wrote:
http://www.change.or

g/petitions/attorney

-general-review-the-

judgement-in-the-cas

e-of-andrew-young-an

d-lewis-gill

Please sign and share
Well you will be pleased to hear that the attorney general has decided to review this case.

http://news.sky.com/
story/1217642/attorn
ey-general-looks-int
o-punch-jail-sentenc
e
[quote][p][bold]chester21[/bold] wrote: http://www.change.or g/petitions/attorney -general-review-the- judgement-in-the-cas e-of-andrew-young-an d-lewis-gill Please sign and share[/p][/quote]Well you will be pleased to hear that the attorney general has decided to review this case. http://news.sky.com/ story/1217642/attorn ey-general-looks-int o-punch-jail-sentenc e Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 1

1:47pm Thu 20 Mar 14

loopyluk says...

I believe he used 'racism' as an excuse, just like they always do. what would have happened if it was the other way around. us 'whites' don't get any justice from racism!
I believe he used 'racism' as an excuse, just like they always do. what would have happened if it was the other way around. us 'whites' don't get any justice from racism! loopyluk
  • Score: 1

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