Poole councillor Judy Butt in shock sacking from cabinet

Bournemouth Echo: Poole councillor Judy Butt in shock sacking from cabinet Poole councillor Judy Butt in shock sacking from cabinet

A CREEKMOOR councillor who stood up for her residents has been sacked from the cabinet of Borough of Poole.

Cllr Judy Butt is opposing controversial proposals to site a temporary traveller transit site in her ward at Marshes End.

However until today the Conservative councillor was also cabinet portfolio holder for public engagement and participation.

Council leader, Cllr Elaine Atkinson, gave her two weeks in which to stand down and when she declined to do so, removed her from the seven-strong cabinet.

“It was a conflict with her portfolio responsibilities,” said Cllr Atkinson, who hand-delivered a letter with her decision to Cllr Butt, who has been a cabinet member since 2011.

She said Cllr Butt had played a major role in trying to sort out the traveller issue but when a possible site was identified in her ward, she “came out to defend her residents and to fight against the council’s position”.

Paying tribute to her she said: “She was a valued member of cabinet and I have personally valued her contributions as have the wider community.”

Cllr Butt said she was “gutted” at having been sacked and, “extremely disappointed”.

“I was asked to resign,” she said. “I thought the leader and I could come to a solution.”

However she said she accepted that the leader was entitled to do as she did.

“I just feel that it’s not the best decision. I will obviously as a loyal Conservative and a ward member for Creekmoor continue to support my residents and do everything I can to help the community object to this application,” she pledged.

Cllr Butt’s loyal husband David said: “I am fuming because she was sacked for supporting the residents.”

Cllr Atkinson has moved quickly to fill the gap, appointing Oakdale’s Cllr Ian Potter to cabinet, however she will be reshuffling some responsibilities between him and Cllr Xena Dion, cabinet member for a prosperous and sustainable Poole.

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9:12pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

When will these power crazed public servants learn?
When will these power crazed public servants learn? Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 48

9:19pm Wed 12 Feb 14

daveweb says...

Poole council are a disgrace. We are supposed to live in a democratic society, yet when our elected officials standup for their people, they lose their job. The major parties will get a real shock when local independent candidates run for the real people of Poole in the next election and oust these clowns!
Poole council are a disgrace. We are supposed to live in a democratic society, yet when our elected officials standup for their people, they lose their job. The major parties will get a real shock when local independent candidates run for the real people of Poole in the next election and oust these clowns! daveweb
  • Score: 107

9:31pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Avengerboy says...

'Stood up for her ........ self' more like. A typical 'my people' Tory.
'Stood up for her ........ self' more like. A typical 'my people' Tory. Avengerboy
  • Score: -58

9:32pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Avengerboy says...

Maybe now she will have time to have her sunglasses surgically removed.
Maybe now she will have time to have her sunglasses surgically removed. Avengerboy
  • Score: -28

9:53pm Wed 12 Feb 14

peterm8264 says...

What a disgrace this council is ,just because judy is standing up for people within her ward she is sacked , so much for democracy sack the whole council and the mayor get real councillors you will not get away with it . Creekmoor rules o/k ,you will see when its re election time ,no more wasting our public purse you will be out
What a disgrace this council is ,just because judy is standing up for people within her ward she is sacked , so much for democracy sack the whole council and the mayor get real councillors you will not get away with it . Creekmoor rules o/k ,you will see when its re election time ,no more wasting our public purse you will be out peterm8264
  • Score: 52

10:02pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Avengerboy says...

It was Thatcher who presided over the demise of traditional traveller sites many of which were hundreds of years old, irony.
It was Thatcher who presided over the demise of traditional traveller sites many of which were hundreds of years old, irony. Avengerboy
  • Score: -19

10:10pm Wed 12 Feb 14

tbpoole says...

peterm8264 wrote:
What a disgrace this council is ,just because judy is standing up for people within her ward she is sacked , so much for democracy sack the whole council and the mayor get real councillors you will not get away with it . Creekmoor rules o/k ,you will see when its re election time ,no more wasting our public purse you will be out
How exactly can you 'get them out'. If you live in Creekmoor you can only vote for Creekmoor Councillors at the next election and don't they all oppose it anyway? What you propose sounds equally undemocratic!
[quote][p][bold]peterm8264[/bold] wrote: What a disgrace this council is ,just because judy is standing up for people within her ward she is sacked , so much for democracy sack the whole council and the mayor get real councillors you will not get away with it . Creekmoor rules o/k ,you will see when its re election time ,no more wasting our public purse you will be out[/p][/quote]How exactly can you 'get them out'. If you live in Creekmoor you can only vote for Creekmoor Councillors at the next election and don't they all oppose it anyway? What you propose sounds equally undemocratic! tbpoole
  • Score: -15

10:32pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Yankee1 says...

Shocking. Poole Council should resign in disgrace.
Shocking. Poole Council should resign in disgrace. Yankee1
  • Score: 22

10:51pm Wed 12 Feb 14

muscliffman says...

Doesn't this stink! At least in this 'traveller' site matter she had the interests of her own Creekmoor residents in mind and admirably demonstrated the courage of those convictions - much more than can be said for many of the weaker Poole Councillors mindlessly following internal political agendas in their OWN interests.

Perhaps Councillor Butt might be inclined to view this 'eviction' as a liberating opportunity, because a defection to UKIP could be an excellent career move for her at the moment.
Doesn't this stink! At least in this 'traveller' site matter she had the interests of her own Creekmoor residents in mind and admirably demonstrated the courage of those convictions - much more than can be said for many of the weaker Poole Councillors mindlessly following internal political agendas in their OWN interests. Perhaps Councillor Butt might be inclined to view this 'eviction' as a liberating opportunity, because a defection to UKIP could be an excellent career move for her at the moment. muscliffman
  • Score: 53

10:57pm Wed 12 Feb 14

MJD says...

Its not the First time. Remember the other two councillors that got the chop one was Dave Gillard.
Its not the First time. Remember the other two councillors that got the chop one was Dave Gillard. MJD
  • Score: 18

11:01pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Wish_I_was_at_the_beach says...

Poole is worse off without Judy Butt in the cabinet. She's a brilliant local politician and the kind of councillor we need more of in Poole. All the councillors who voted for the transit site proposal because it wasn't in their ward should be ashamed of themselves! Judy represented her residents well and has paid the price.
Poole is worse off without Judy Butt in the cabinet. She's a brilliant local politician and the kind of councillor we need more of in Poole. All the councillors who voted for the transit site proposal because it wasn't in their ward should be ashamed of themselves! Judy represented her residents well and has paid the price. Wish_I_was_at_the_beach
  • Score: 40

11:14pm Wed 12 Feb 14

politicaltrainspotter says...

Correctly me if i am wrong but i thought we live in a country of democracy.Sorry, just woken up it's a democracy lead by a dictatorship.I am sure the Conservatives evoled from the King Cobra.Cannabalistic.
Correctly me if i am wrong but i thought we live in a country of democracy.Sorry, just woken up it's a democracy lead by a dictatorship.I am sure the Conservatives evoled from the King Cobra.Cannabalistic. politicaltrainspotter
  • Score: 18

11:18pm Wed 12 Feb 14

calamity carney says...

muscliffman wrote:
Doesn't this stink! At least in this 'traveller' site matter she had the interests of her own Creekmoor residents in mind and admirably demonstrated the courage of those convictions - much more than can be said for many of the weaker Poole Councillors mindlessly following internal political agendas in their OWN interests.

Perhaps Councillor Butt might be inclined to view this 'eviction' as a liberating opportunity, because a defection to UKIP could be an excellent career move for her at the moment.
No Ukip are far too rightwing with Mr Mirage in charge. Councillor J Butt would be better off standing as an MP locally for the labour party than Ukip or the conservatives. Both parties are out of step with how the UK should lead and function with in Europe. Only a labour government can move us on osborne has been a total disaster!
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Doesn't this stink! At least in this 'traveller' site matter she had the interests of her own Creekmoor residents in mind and admirably demonstrated the courage of those convictions - much more than can be said for many of the weaker Poole Councillors mindlessly following internal political agendas in their OWN interests. Perhaps Councillor Butt might be inclined to view this 'eviction' as a liberating opportunity, because a defection to UKIP could be an excellent career move for her at the moment.[/p][/quote]No Ukip are far too rightwing with Mr Mirage in charge. Councillor J Butt would be better off standing as an MP locally for the labour party than Ukip or the conservatives. Both parties are out of step with how the UK should lead and function with in Europe. Only a labour government can move us on osborne has been a total disaster! calamity carney
  • Score: -38

11:26pm Wed 12 Feb 14

BIGTONE says...

She said Cllr Butt had played a major role in trying to sort out the traveller issue but when a possible site was identified in her ward, she “came out to defend her residents and to fight against the council’s position”.


That's what a democratic councillor does.
It just shows by this action,the travellers site is signed sealed and delivered.
The residents have no say.
She said Cllr Butt had played a major role in trying to sort out the traveller issue but when a possible site was identified in her ward, she “came out to defend her residents and to fight against the council’s position”. That's what a democratic councillor does. It just shows by this action,the travellers site is signed sealed and delivered. The residents have no say. BIGTONE
  • Score: 43

11:58pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Gonetothebeach says...

Hopefully, Cllr Butt will now move to join the Poole People councillors who are all about local rather than party political issues. On a purely party political level I understand the desire for 'cabinet' solidarity but I think many of us have moved well beyond this outdated stance in our desire for credible local decision making. Local councillors' main responsibility should always be to represent their electors. Also a lot to be said for a 'cabinet' that reflects all parties and abilities/knowledge/
specialisms needed to run the area and not just the political majority.
Hopefully, Cllr Butt will now move to join the Poole People councillors who are all about local rather than party political issues. On a purely party political level I understand the desire for 'cabinet' solidarity but I think many of us have moved well beyond this outdated stance in our desire for credible local decision making. Local councillors' main responsibility should always be to represent their electors. Also a lot to be said for a 'cabinet' that reflects all parties and abilities/knowledge/ specialisms needed to run the area and not just the political majority. Gonetothebeach
  • Score: 14

6:57am Thu 13 Feb 14

TheDistrict says...

This is typical of our democratic Governments and Local Governments. The Leader of Poole Council should be reminded that it is the people of Poole who vote Cllr Judy Butt into office, not here, and it is we who get rid of her if the need arises. OK, this was an internal matter as far as the cabinet goes, but again to be in a cabinet, first the Cllr has to be voted in by the people. This was a blatant way of getting at Cllr Butt because she stood up for the same people who put her into office. What chance do we have of a democratic council if Adolph, sorry Ellaine Atkinson cannot get her way, so ousts out those opposing her. A bit like Bournemouth Council under Charon.
This is typical of our democratic Governments and Local Governments. The Leader of Poole Council should be reminded that it is the people of Poole who vote Cllr Judy Butt into office, not here, and it is we who get rid of her if the need arises. OK, this was an internal matter as far as the cabinet goes, but again to be in a cabinet, first the Cllr has to be voted in by the people. This was a blatant way of getting at Cllr Butt because she stood up for the same people who put her into office. What chance do we have of a democratic council if Adolph, sorry Ellaine Atkinson cannot get her way, so ousts out those opposing her. A bit like Bournemouth Council under Charon. TheDistrict
  • Score: 20

7:01am Thu 13 Feb 14

mimi55 says...

Just what you would expect - punish those who do their utmost for
residents - and reward those who keep their heads down. You know who
to vote for at the next round of elections!
Just what you would expect - punish those who do their utmost for residents - and reward those who keep their heads down. You know who to vote for at the next round of elections! mimi55
  • Score: 27

7:21am Thu 13 Feb 14

Baysider says...

Sorry but this turning of Judy Butt into an innocent victim of council illuminati is nonsense. From following the story on here last year she was all for the transit site, one of the main instigators in fact...until the sites identified happened to be in her ward. Suddenly she becomes a freedom fighter for the Peoples Republic of Creekmoor.

This puts her in direct conflict with the Conservative Party on the council = they get rid of her from the cabinet. Hardly a new or surprising outcome in politics is it?
Sorry but this turning of Judy Butt into an innocent victim of council illuminati is nonsense. From following the story on here last year she was all for the transit site, one of the main instigators in fact...until the sites identified happened to be in her ward. Suddenly she becomes a freedom fighter for the Peoples Republic of Creekmoor. This puts her in direct conflict with the Conservative Party on the council = they get rid of her from the cabinet. Hardly a new or surprising outcome in politics is it? Baysider
  • Score: 9

7:37am Thu 13 Feb 14

Son of Bad Rabbit says...

Her sacking from the cabinet has nothing to do with a lack of democracy.
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She was elected by her ward, which was democracy, but then chose to take a cabinet position when offered. Not democracy, just taking a job which paid her an extra allowance.
*
Part of her portfolio was looking after Travelers Camps, which the council is obliged to provide somewhere. Once she realised the primary area for this was in her ward she put her Ward priorities above her Cabinet role.
*
As a result of which she was asked to step down because she could not do her cabinet job effectively. She refused, maybe because she liked the extra allowances, but couldn't see that it would make her position untenable.
*
What would she say, dear councillor, you must have the travellers in your ward? No they reply. Why not she says, because you would not accept it in yours, so why should I suffer?
*
So they sacked her.
*
There is no democratic issue here,
Her sacking from the cabinet has nothing to do with a lack of democracy. * She was elected by her ward, which was democracy, but then chose to take a cabinet position when offered. Not democracy, just taking a job which paid her an extra allowance. * Part of her portfolio was looking after Travelers Camps, which the council is obliged to provide somewhere. Once she realised the primary area for this was in her ward she put her Ward priorities above her Cabinet role. * As a result of which she was asked to step down because she could not do her cabinet job effectively. She refused, maybe because she liked the extra allowances, but couldn't see that it would make her position untenable. * What would she say, dear councillor, you must have the travellers in your ward? No they reply. Why not she says, because you would not accept it in yours, so why should I suffer? * So they sacked her. * There is no democratic issue here, Son of Bad Rabbit
  • Score: 0

8:27am Thu 13 Feb 14

susi.m says...

I know many of the councillors on Poole Council. Judy is a very hard working one. Some others do NOTHING for their wards and are only seen around election time. Some are so ancient that they are now completely out of touch, so should stand down and make way for younger people with more energy but more importantly new ideas.
I know many of the councillors on Poole Council. Judy is a very hard working one. Some others do NOTHING for their wards and are only seen around election time. Some are so ancient that they are now completely out of touch, so should stand down and make way for younger people with more energy but more importantly new ideas. susi.m
  • Score: 17

8:48am Thu 13 Feb 14

sea poole says...

The loss of Cllr Butt is one hell of a blow to the Tories. She's one of the most hard-working cllrs I've ever known. Despite a few negative and inane comments above re her capacity she is the type of Cllr who gives semblance of credibility to local gov't -not like the pathetic stance of Cllr Atkinson who has about as much credibility as an ejector seat on a helicopter!
The loss of Cllr Butt is one hell of a blow to the Tories. She's one of the most hard-working cllrs I've ever known. Despite a few negative and inane comments above re her capacity she is the type of Cllr who gives semblance of credibility to local gov't -not like the pathetic stance of Cllr Atkinson who has about as much credibility as an ejector seat on a helicopter! sea poole
  • Score: 21

8:50am Thu 13 Feb 14

Old Colonial says...

Son of Bad Rabbit wrote:
Her sacking from the cabinet has nothing to do with a lack of democracy.
*
She was elected by her ward, which was democracy, but then chose to take a cabinet position when offered. Not democracy, just taking a job which paid her an extra allowance.
*
Part of her portfolio was looking after Travelers Camps, which the council is obliged to provide somewhere. Once she realised the primary area for this was in her ward she put her Ward priorities above her Cabinet role.
*
As a result of which she was asked to step down because she could not do her cabinet job effectively. She refused, maybe because she liked the extra allowances, but couldn't see that it would make her position untenable.
*
What would she say, dear councillor, you must have the travellers in your ward? No they reply. Why not she says, because you would not accept it in yours, so why should I suffer?
*
So they sacked her.
*
There is no democratic issue here,
That is as maybe. You obviously think the system is OK. Elected councillors should primarily represent the interests of their constituents, not the ruling cabal. The whole system of 'cabinet' government in local affairs is flawed. As at at national level it allows a dictatorship approach.
[quote][p][bold]Son of Bad Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Her sacking from the cabinet has nothing to do with a lack of democracy. * She was elected by her ward, which was democracy, but then chose to take a cabinet position when offered. Not democracy, just taking a job which paid her an extra allowance. * Part of her portfolio was looking after Travelers Camps, which the council is obliged to provide somewhere. Once she realised the primary area for this was in her ward she put her Ward priorities above her Cabinet role. * As a result of which she was asked to step down because she could not do her cabinet job effectively. She refused, maybe because she liked the extra allowances, but couldn't see that it would make her position untenable. * What would she say, dear councillor, you must have the travellers in your ward? No they reply. Why not she says, because you would not accept it in yours, so why should I suffer? * So they sacked her. * There is no democratic issue here,[/p][/quote]That is as maybe. You obviously think the system is OK. Elected councillors should primarily represent the interests of their constituents, not the ruling cabal. The whole system of 'cabinet' government in local affairs is flawed. As at at national level it allows a dictatorship approach. Old Colonial
  • Score: 12

9:06am Thu 13 Feb 14

Baysider says...

muscliffman wrote:
Doesn't this stink! At least in this 'traveller' site matter she had the interests of her own Creekmoor residents in mind and admirably demonstrated the courage of those convictions - much more than can be said for many of the weaker Poole Councillors mindlessly following internal political agendas in their OWN interests.

Perhaps Councillor Butt might be inclined to view this 'eviction' as a liberating opportunity, because a defection to UKIP could be an excellent career move for her at the moment.
You are Godfrey Bloom and I claim my £5. Or are you the other one who thinks the floods are a result of Cameron's gay marriage policy?
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Doesn't this stink! At least in this 'traveller' site matter she had the interests of her own Creekmoor residents in mind and admirably demonstrated the courage of those convictions - much more than can be said for many of the weaker Poole Councillors mindlessly following internal political agendas in their OWN interests. Perhaps Councillor Butt might be inclined to view this 'eviction' as a liberating opportunity, because a defection to UKIP could be an excellent career move for her at the moment.[/p][/quote]You are Godfrey Bloom and I claim my £5. Or are you the other one who thinks the floods are a result of Cameron's gay marriage policy? Baysider
  • Score: -20

9:11am Thu 13 Feb 14

DorsetFerret says...

Yet another devious move by Poole councils leader aimed at ensuring Creekmoor residents have to put up with the proposed travellers site. Just because a councillor has stood by her principles in supporting those who have complained in her ward, she is removed from her cabinet post. Councillor Butt may have enjoyed a high profile over the years but nobody can say she hasn’t had the interest of Poole at heart and I would agree with other post, we could do with more like her. Nor has it escaped my notice that her replacement represents Oakdale, the other ward with the dubious honour to be awarded the second site.
Yet another devious move by Poole councils leader aimed at ensuring Creekmoor residents have to put up with the proposed travellers site. Just because a councillor has stood by her principles in supporting those who have complained in her ward, she is removed from her cabinet post. Councillor Butt may have enjoyed a high profile over the years but nobody can say she hasn’t had the interest of Poole at heart and I would agree with other post, we could do with more like her. Nor has it escaped my notice that her replacement represents Oakdale, the other ward with the dubious honour to be awarded the second site. DorsetFerret
  • Score: 22

9:23am Thu 13 Feb 14

Jo__Go says...

Baysider wrote:
Sorry but this turning of Judy Butt into an innocent victim of council illuminati is nonsense. From following the story on here last year she was all for the transit site, one of the main instigators in fact...until the sites identified happened to be in her ward. Suddenly she becomes a freedom fighter for the Peoples Republic of Creekmoor.

This puts her in direct conflict with the Conservative Party on the council = they get rid of her from the cabinet. Hardly a new or surprising outcome in politics is it?
Missing the point... the issue is that a Tory council is being led by the nose by the leader of the minority party. The Leader of the Council has shown utter disregard for the people that elected her party to power, and seems hell bent on delivering Lib Dem policy, even if she has to sack her core team to do so. Judy Butt is no Snow White, but at least, when it mattered, she stood up and was counted.
Be interesting to see how the new Cabinet member, who is also getting a site in his ward, behaves...

BTW ... Peoples Republic of Creekmoor? Really? Would be nice though if just for once those elected listened to those that elected them...
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Sorry but this turning of Judy Butt into an innocent victim of council illuminati is nonsense. From following the story on here last year she was all for the transit site, one of the main instigators in fact...until the sites identified happened to be in her ward. Suddenly she becomes a freedom fighter for the Peoples Republic of Creekmoor. This puts her in direct conflict with the Conservative Party on the council = they get rid of her from the cabinet. Hardly a new or surprising outcome in politics is it?[/p][/quote]Missing the point... the issue is that a Tory council is being led by the nose by the leader of the minority party. The Leader of the Council has shown utter disregard for the people that elected her party to power, and seems hell bent on delivering Lib Dem policy, even if she has to sack her core team to do so. Judy Butt is no Snow White, but at least, when it mattered, she stood up and was counted. Be interesting to see how the new Cabinet member, who is also getting a site in his ward, behaves... BTW ... Peoples Republic of Creekmoor? Really? Would be nice though if just for once those elected listened to those that elected them... Jo__Go
  • Score: 11

9:26am Thu 13 Feb 14

Jo__Go says...

It's time...
... for passion and moral outrage
... to sweep away the vapid and pusillanimous Council leadership
... to stand up to the bully boys, and the madness of political correctness
... to truly reflect the views of the people of Poole
... to finally admit THERE ARE NO SUITABLE SITES IN POOLE
It's time... ... for passion and moral outrage ... to sweep away the vapid and pusillanimous Council leadership ... to stand up to the bully boys, and the madness of political correctness ... to truly reflect the views of the people of Poole ... to finally admit THERE ARE NO SUITABLE SITES IN POOLE Jo__Go
  • Score: 22

9:36am Thu 13 Feb 14

Carolyn43 says...

Absolutely disgusted that the one elected member of the council who stood up for the people who voted her in is sacked. That's what she was elected for - to represent her ward. She's the one person who hasn't blindly followed the party line. She's the only person who is guaranteed to be re-elected. Being sheep will be the downfall of others.
..........
If this planning application fails (as it should because for many very valid reasons the site itself is just not suitable, regardless of where it is) I hope that Atkinson will do the right thing and resign herself; a vain hope.
Absolutely disgusted that the one elected member of the council who stood up for the people who voted her in is sacked. That's what she was elected for - to represent her ward. She's the one person who hasn't blindly followed the party line. She's the only person who is guaranteed to be re-elected. Being sheep will be the downfall of others. .......... If this planning application fails (as it should because for many very valid reasons the site itself is just not suitable, regardless of where it is) I hope that Atkinson will do the right thing and resign herself; a vain hope. Carolyn43
  • Score: 19

9:38am Thu 13 Feb 14

Carolyn43 says...

Another point, why does the job title of Xena (Warrior Princess) Dion change on a weekly basis?
Another point, why does the job title of Xena (Warrior Princess) Dion change on a weekly basis? Carolyn43
  • Score: 10

9:55am Thu 13 Feb 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

I am really sorry to hear about the treatment of Cllr Butt, having spoken with her after the farce of a meeting on 27th Jan in regards to the proposed transits site, I am fully aware of her commitment and dedication to the constituents she represents and for me is a fine example of how any councillor elected by the people, should be. Do they intend to get rid of anyone who stands up for their residents?

This does clearly show the closed shop attitude of the present shower we have in Poole Council and I sincerely hope that people remember this come local election time next year.
I am really sorry to hear about the treatment of Cllr Butt, having spoken with her after the farce of a meeting on 27th Jan in regards to the proposed transits site, I am fully aware of her commitment and dedication to the constituents she represents and for me is a fine example of how any councillor elected by the people, should be. Do they intend to get rid of anyone who stands up for their residents? This does clearly show the closed shop attitude of the present shower we have in Poole Council and I sincerely hope that people remember this come local election time next year. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 32

10:10am Thu 13 Feb 14

speedy231278 says...

Avengerboy wrote:
It was Thatcher who presided over the demise of traditional traveller sites many of which were hundreds of years old, irony.
They would have been real traveller sites, not those of the lawless Caravan Using Nomadic Travellers.
[quote][p][bold]Avengerboy[/bold] wrote: It was Thatcher who presided over the demise of traditional traveller sites many of which were hundreds of years old, irony.[/p][/quote]They would have been real traveller sites, not those of the lawless Caravan Using Nomadic Travellers. speedy231278
  • Score: 6

10:20am Thu 13 Feb 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Baysider wrote:
Sorry but this turning of Judy Butt into an innocent victim of council illuminati is nonsense. From following the story on here last year she was all for the transit site, one of the main instigators in fact...until the sites identified happened to be in her ward. Suddenly she becomes a freedom fighter for the Peoples Republic of Creekmoor.

This puts her in direct conflict with the Conservative Party on the council = they get rid of her from the cabinet. Hardly a new or surprising outcome in politics is it?
I somehow get the impression that the Conservative party wouldn't give a **** if there is a traveller site in Poole or not , so I would imagine her demise is far more down to going against this LibDem obsession of our good Mayor to build a transit site as quickly as possible, regardless of the fact it is a complete waste of £250,000 and totally disregarding the fact that Dorset CC have been spending a lot of time, money and effort looking for a county solution to this problem for the past 5 years.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Sorry but this turning of Judy Butt into an innocent victim of council illuminati is nonsense. From following the story on here last year she was all for the transit site, one of the main instigators in fact...until the sites identified happened to be in her ward. Suddenly she becomes a freedom fighter for the Peoples Republic of Creekmoor. This puts her in direct conflict with the Conservative Party on the council = they get rid of her from the cabinet. Hardly a new or surprising outcome in politics is it?[/p][/quote]I somehow get the impression that the Conservative party wouldn't give a **** if there is a traveller site in Poole or not , so I would imagine her demise is far more down to going against this LibDem obsession of our good Mayor to build a transit site as quickly as possible, regardless of the fact it is a complete waste of £250,000 and totally disregarding the fact that Dorset CC have been spending a lot of time, money and effort looking for a county solution to this problem for the past 5 years. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 14

10:32am Thu 13 Feb 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

calamity carney wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Doesn't this stink! At least in this 'traveller' site matter she had the interests of her own Creekmoor residents in mind and admirably demonstrated the courage of those convictions - much more than can be said for many of the weaker Poole Councillors mindlessly following internal political agendas in their OWN interests.

Perhaps Councillor Butt might be inclined to view this 'eviction' as a liberating opportunity, because a defection to UKIP could be an excellent career move for her at the moment.
No Ukip are far too rightwing with Mr Mirage in charge. Councillor J Butt would be better off standing as an MP locally for the labour party than Ukip or the conservatives. Both parties are out of step with how the UK should lead and function with in Europe. Only a labour government can move us on osborne has been a total disaster!
I presume that is satire right ? UKIP is not far right as only 30% of the membership happens to be ex Tory, there are plenty of ex Labour like myself and the one thing we have found working quite well for the party is Left + Right = Common Sense. I personally washed my hands of Labour when Blair turned them into the Old Tory party and even today Red Ed is shouting he intends to govern just like Thatcher. This is the real problem in British politics today there is actually no difference between the two main parties and they are all sat in their Westminster bubble without a care about the British people.
[quote][p][bold]calamity carney[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Doesn't this stink! At least in this 'traveller' site matter she had the interests of her own Creekmoor residents in mind and admirably demonstrated the courage of those convictions - much more than can be said for many of the weaker Poole Councillors mindlessly following internal political agendas in their OWN interests. Perhaps Councillor Butt might be inclined to view this 'eviction' as a liberating opportunity, because a defection to UKIP could be an excellent career move for her at the moment.[/p][/quote]No Ukip are far too rightwing with Mr Mirage in charge. Councillor J Butt would be better off standing as an MP locally for the labour party than Ukip or the conservatives. Both parties are out of step with how the UK should lead and function with in Europe. Only a labour government can move us on osborne has been a total disaster![/p][/quote]I presume that is satire right ? UKIP is not far right as only 30% of the membership happens to be ex Tory, there are plenty of ex Labour like myself and the one thing we have found working quite well for the party is Left + Right = Common Sense. I personally washed my hands of Labour when Blair turned them into the Old Tory party and even today Red Ed is shouting he intends to govern just like Thatcher. This is the real problem in British politics today there is actually no difference between the two main parties and they are all sat in their Westminster bubble without a care about the British people. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 8

10:38am Thu 13 Feb 14

ParkLover says...

So Cllr Butt was sacked for voting 'against'. Who replaces her, Cllr Potter, from Oakdale.
Which way did he vote? yes 'against'.

How many of our Councillors would stand for election, if there were no set allowances ? What is total annual wage bill, for them to play politics ?
So Cllr Butt was sacked for voting 'against'. Who replaces her, Cllr Potter, from Oakdale. Which way did he vote? yes 'against'. How many of our Councillors would stand for election, if there were no set allowances ? What is total annual wage bill, for them to play politics ? ParkLover
  • Score: 7

11:04am Thu 13 Feb 14

dorsetspeed says...

“came out to defend her residents and to fight against the council’s position”.

Says it all really, this seems to be an open admission that the council's position is in conflict with the residents. Someone obviously needs to remind the council that they are meant to work for the residents.

Judy was the only person who ever properly listened to evidence and common sense demonstrating that the council were over and over and over again making a complete mess of roads projects and protecting each other instead of answering concern.

It comes as no surprise to me that the council have decided she doesn't fit in, she was the only councillor I know who tried to solve problems, I can understand why the arrogant and useless dinosaurs in Poole Council would have found that inconvenient.
“came out to defend her residents and to fight against the council’s position”. Says it all really, this seems to be an open admission that the council's position is in conflict with the residents. Someone obviously needs to remind the council that they are meant to work for the residents. Judy was the only person who ever properly listened to evidence and common sense demonstrating that the council were over and over and over again making a complete mess of roads projects and protecting each other instead of answering concern. It comes as no surprise to me that the council have decided she doesn't fit in, she was the only councillor I know who tried to solve problems, I can understand why the arrogant and useless dinosaurs in Poole Council would have found that inconvenient. dorsetspeed
  • Score: 14

12:05pm Thu 13 Feb 14

LornaBournemouth says...

A serious nut job!
A serious nut job! LornaBournemouth
  • Score: -3

12:14pm Thu 13 Feb 14

DorsetFerret says...

ParkLover wrote:
So Cllr Butt was sacked for voting 'against'. Who replaces her, Cllr Potter, from Oakdale.
Which way did he vote? yes 'against'.

How many of our Councillors would stand for election, if there were no set allowances ? What is total annual wage bill, for them to play politics ?
So he did too, well spotted. He's going to have his work cut out then, I hope he puts up an equally good fight over this matter.
[quote][p][bold]ParkLover[/bold] wrote: So Cllr Butt was sacked for voting 'against'. Who replaces her, Cllr Potter, from Oakdale. Which way did he vote? yes 'against'. How many of our Councillors would stand for election, if there were no set allowances ? What is total annual wage bill, for them to play politics ?[/p][/quote]So he did too, well spotted. He's going to have his work cut out then, I hope he puts up an equally good fight over this matter. DorsetFerret
  • Score: 5

1:55pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Bob49 says...

muscliffman wrote:
Doesn't this stink! At least in this 'traveller' site matter she had the interests of her own Creekmoor residents in mind and admirably demonstrated the courage of those convictions - much more than can be said for many of the weaker Poole Councillors mindlessly following internal political agendas in their OWN interests.

Perhaps Councillor Butt might be inclined to view this 'eviction' as a liberating opportunity, because a defection to UKIP could be an excellent career move for her at the moment.
yes

she could campaign for Werther originals to be free on the NHS, the wearing of military ties and blazers to be compulsory for males over the age of 25 and the nation should come to a halt every afternoon for 30 mins whilst Countdown is broadcast

the farthing would be restored, polio would become 'popular' again and the country should re-introduce rationing

(though it might be an idea to first read what Mr Farage said about the last UKIP manifesto)
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Doesn't this stink! At least in this 'traveller' site matter she had the interests of her own Creekmoor residents in mind and admirably demonstrated the courage of those convictions - much more than can be said for many of the weaker Poole Councillors mindlessly following internal political agendas in their OWN interests. Perhaps Councillor Butt might be inclined to view this 'eviction' as a liberating opportunity, because a defection to UKIP could be an excellent career move for her at the moment.[/p][/quote]yes she could campaign for Werther originals to be free on the NHS, the wearing of military ties and blazers to be compulsory for males over the age of 25 and the nation should come to a halt every afternoon for 30 mins whilst Countdown is broadcast the farthing would be restored, polio would become 'popular' again and the country should re-introduce rationing (though it might be an idea to first read what Mr Farage said about the last UKIP manifesto) Bob49
  • Score: -11

2:16pm Thu 13 Feb 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Your well out of it .especially when the iki aki hits the fan
Your well out of it .especially when the iki aki hits the fan kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 2

2:16pm Thu 13 Feb 14

muscliffman says...

Bob49 wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Doesn't this stink! At least in this 'traveller' site matter she had the interests of her own Creekmoor residents in mind and admirably demonstrated the courage of those convictions - much more than can be said for many of the weaker Poole Councillors mindlessly following internal political agendas in their OWN interests.

Perhaps Councillor Butt might be inclined to view this 'eviction' as a liberating opportunity, because a defection to UKIP could be an excellent career move for her at the moment.
yes

she could campaign for Werther originals to be free on the NHS, the wearing of military ties and blazers to be compulsory for males over the age of 25 and the nation should come to a halt every afternoon for 30 mins whilst Countdown is broadcast

the farthing would be restored, polio would become 'popular' again and the country should re-introduce rationing

(though it might be an idea to first read what Mr Farage said about the last UKIP manifesto)
You appear to have completely lost the script on this occasion! Never mind normal service will doubtless be resumed.......
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Doesn't this stink! At least in this 'traveller' site matter she had the interests of her own Creekmoor residents in mind and admirably demonstrated the courage of those convictions - much more than can be said for many of the weaker Poole Councillors mindlessly following internal political agendas in their OWN interests. Perhaps Councillor Butt might be inclined to view this 'eviction' as a liberating opportunity, because a defection to UKIP could be an excellent career move for her at the moment.[/p][/quote]yes she could campaign for Werther originals to be free on the NHS, the wearing of military ties and blazers to be compulsory for males over the age of 25 and the nation should come to a halt every afternoon for 30 mins whilst Countdown is broadcast the farthing would be restored, polio would become 'popular' again and the country should re-introduce rationing (though it might be an idea to first read what Mr Farage said about the last UKIP manifesto)[/p][/quote]You appear to have completely lost the script on this occasion! Never mind normal service will doubtless be resumed....... muscliffman
  • Score: 12

2:33pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Bob49 wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Doesn't this stink! At least in this 'traveller' site matter she had the interests of her own Creekmoor residents in mind and admirably demonstrated the courage of those convictions - much more than can be said for many of the weaker Poole Councillors mindlessly following internal political agendas in their OWN interests.

Perhaps Councillor Butt might be inclined to view this 'eviction' as a liberating opportunity, because a defection to UKIP could be an excellent career move for her at the moment.
yes

she could campaign for Werther originals to be free on the NHS, the wearing of military ties and blazers to be compulsory for males over the age of 25 and the nation should come to a halt every afternoon for 30 mins whilst Countdown is broadcast

the farthing would be restored, polio would become 'popular' again and the country should re-introduce rationing

(though it might be an idea to first read what Mr Farage said about the last UKIP manifesto)
I don't think Mr Farage actually said anything about the last manifesto, I know he made a remark about the 2010 one but there was another one released in 2013 at the Spring conference. If you want to shout about 2010, wasn't that when both the Libdems & the Conservatives were both offering a referendum ?

It used to amuse me watching people shout exactly what the media wants them to shout but it is getting a little tiresome now and I can feel myself starting to pity them.
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Doesn't this stink! At least in this 'traveller' site matter she had the interests of her own Creekmoor residents in mind and admirably demonstrated the courage of those convictions - much more than can be said for many of the weaker Poole Councillors mindlessly following internal political agendas in their OWN interests. Perhaps Councillor Butt might be inclined to view this 'eviction' as a liberating opportunity, because a defection to UKIP could be an excellent career move for her at the moment.[/p][/quote]yes she could campaign for Werther originals to be free on the NHS, the wearing of military ties and blazers to be compulsory for males over the age of 25 and the nation should come to a halt every afternoon for 30 mins whilst Countdown is broadcast the farthing would be restored, polio would become 'popular' again and the country should re-introduce rationing (though it might be an idea to first read what Mr Farage said about the last UKIP manifesto)[/p][/quote]I don't think Mr Farage actually said anything about the last manifesto, I know he made a remark about the 2010 one but there was another one released in 2013 at the Spring conference. If you want to shout about 2010, wasn't that when both the Libdems & the Conservatives were both offering a referendum ? It used to amuse me watching people shout exactly what the media wants them to shout but it is getting a little tiresome now and I can feel myself starting to pity them. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -2

3:05pm Thu 13 Feb 14

DorsetFerret says...

Getting back to the origins of this topic. It strikes me that now would be a good time to contact the Local Authority Ombudsman. I can’t think Poole Council can shoot itself in the foot any more than it has done. The website is;-

http://www.lgo.org.u
k/forms/ShowForm.asp
?fm_fid=62

You will need a copy of email or letter sent originally to the council to complain along with their response but otherwise it’s quite easy register with them
Getting back to the origins of this topic. It strikes me that now would be a good time to contact the Local Authority Ombudsman. I can’t think Poole Council can shoot itself in the foot any more than it has done. The website is;- http://www.lgo.org.u k/forms/ShowForm.asp ?fm_fid=62 You will need a copy of email or letter sent originally to the council to complain along with their response but otherwise it’s quite easy register with them DorsetFerret
  • Score: 3

3:13pm Thu 13 Feb 14

dorsetspeed says...

DorsetFerret wrote:
Getting back to the origins of this topic. It strikes me that now would be a good time to contact the Local Authority Ombudsman. I can’t think Poole Council can shoot itself in the foot any more than it has done. The website is;-

http://www.lgo.org.u

k/forms/ShowForm.asp

?fm_fid=62

You will need a copy of email or letter sent originally to the council to complain along with their response but otherwise it’s quite easy register with them
Councils have no accountability, no regulators, no policing, etc. They can do what they want. The LAO is only interested if you have suffered a personal loss. I've tried that before.
[quote][p][bold]DorsetFerret[/bold] wrote: Getting back to the origins of this topic. It strikes me that now would be a good time to contact the Local Authority Ombudsman. I can’t think Poole Council can shoot itself in the foot any more than it has done. The website is;- http://www.lgo.org.u k/forms/ShowForm.asp ?fm_fid=62 You will need a copy of email or letter sent originally to the council to complain along with their response but otherwise it’s quite easy register with them[/p][/quote]Councils have no accountability, no regulators, no policing, etc. They can do what they want. The LAO is only interested if you have suffered a personal loss. I've tried that before. dorsetspeed
  • Score: 0

3:24pm Thu 13 Feb 14

adspacebroker says...

Obviously Atkinson was having a bad day having run out of Jaffa Cakes again. Atkinson you are a disgrace to Poole Council, the Conservative Party and the residents of this Borough who pay your expenses. Ask yourself Atkinson, what have you down to be proud about since you were a councillor....a big FAT zero! You are like many of the others there that go begging for a vote and then when you are you don't give a toss about anyone other than yourself. Judy Butt did what was right and expected of any local councillor that has been voted in by their constituents...and if you started doing the same then you might gain a little more respect.
Obviously Atkinson was having a bad day having run out of Jaffa Cakes again. Atkinson you are a disgrace to Poole Council, the Conservative Party and the residents of this Borough who pay your expenses. Ask yourself Atkinson, what have you down to be proud about since you were a councillor....a big FAT zero! You are like many of the others there that go begging for a vote and then when you are you don't give a toss about anyone other than yourself. Judy Butt did what was right and expected of any local councillor that has been voted in by their constituents...and if you started doing the same then you might gain a little more respect. adspacebroker
  • Score: 15

3:26pm Thu 13 Feb 14

DorsetFerret says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
DorsetFerret wrote:
Getting back to the origins of this topic. It strikes me that now would be a good time to contact the Local Authority Ombudsman. I can’t think Poole Council can shoot itself in the foot any more than it has done. The website is;-

http://www.lgo.org.u


k/forms/ShowForm.asp


?fm_fid=62

You will need a copy of email or letter sent originally to the council to complain along with their response but otherwise it’s quite easy register with them
Councils have no accountability, no regulators, no policing, etc. They can do what they want. The LAO is only interested if you have suffered a personal loss. I've tried that before.
If , as has already been reported, your property suffers a devaluation because of this then you have incurred a personal loss. Local estate agents suggest £5k will be the average loss on property in the area. (Not surprising then that no body else wants them)

You ain't got nothing to lose in contacting the LAO
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DorsetFerret[/bold] wrote: Getting back to the origins of this topic. It strikes me that now would be a good time to contact the Local Authority Ombudsman. I can’t think Poole Council can shoot itself in the foot any more than it has done. The website is;- http://www.lgo.org.u k/forms/ShowForm.asp ?fm_fid=62 You will need a copy of email or letter sent originally to the council to complain along with their response but otherwise it’s quite easy register with them[/p][/quote]Councils have no accountability, no regulators, no policing, etc. They can do what they want. The LAO is only interested if you have suffered a personal loss. I've tried that before.[/p][/quote]If , as has already been reported, your property suffers a devaluation because of this then you have incurred a personal loss. Local estate agents suggest £5k will be the average loss on property in the area. (Not surprising then that no body else wants them) You ain't got nothing to lose in contacting the LAO DorsetFerret
  • Score: 4

4:13pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Jeff in Parkstone says...

I join with the over-whelming majority above Judy Butt is a first rate Cllr and very surprising indeed that any Cllr leadership would dismiss such an outstanding Cllr from her job in cabinet because she supported the residents who elected her to represent them.

But then Cllr Atkinson has pointed out that despite Judy's first rate work for three years the matter of and need for "collective responsibility" is the reason for dismissal from cabinet. You join cabinet and that is what you sign up for.

So where are we here ?

Cllr's mandate is from the residents in the Cllr's ward who elect the Cllr to represent then to Council.

Cllr gets appointed to cabinet - Cllr's job is to take collective responsibility to drive forward council policy ?

Judy has then been caught in one huge and impossible dilemma.

And that in my view one huge flaw in the "political" system. Not in any degree in the decision making of Cllr Butt.

And in any case given the dilemma as is (cabinet for the travellers' site, Creekmore residents against) as the over-whelming majority are saying above first responsibility is and must be to ward electorate.

Second responsibility to cabinet, and that surely on the core point cabinet is a number of Cllrs (six in this case) who collectively judge vote and decide and in that surely the heart of the democracy.

Cabinet supported the travellers' site in Creekmore. Cllr Butt dissented. That's fine. Three had dissented and there would have been a split - council leader with casting vote. Four dissent and the policy does not go forward.

And that I am sure near all agree above is democracy in action.

The case now in my view is to campaign to get Cllr Butt re-instated. On one count a first rate and hugely valuable Cllr. And point two on principle - no elected Cllr should ever be dismissed from a position in cabinet for speaking up for and supporting the views of their residents.

That must never happen. It's got to be 100% wrong.

Jeff Williams

Parkstone
I join with the over-whelming majority above Judy Butt is a first rate Cllr and very surprising indeed that any Cllr leadership would dismiss such an outstanding Cllr from her job in cabinet because she supported the residents who elected her to represent them. But then Cllr Atkinson has pointed out that despite Judy's first rate work for three years the matter of and need for "collective responsibility" is the reason for dismissal from cabinet. You join cabinet and that is what you sign up for. So where are we here ? Cllr's mandate is from the residents in the Cllr's ward who elect the Cllr to represent then to Council. Cllr gets appointed to cabinet - Cllr's job is to take collective responsibility to drive forward council policy ? Judy has then been caught in one huge and impossible dilemma. And that in my view one huge flaw in the "political" system. Not in any degree in the decision making of Cllr Butt. And in any case given the dilemma as is (cabinet for the travellers' site, Creekmore residents against) as the over-whelming majority are saying above first responsibility is and must be to ward electorate. Second responsibility to cabinet, and that surely on the core point cabinet is a number of Cllrs (six in this case) who collectively judge vote and decide and in that surely the heart of the democracy. Cabinet supported the travellers' site in Creekmore. Cllr Butt dissented. That's fine. Three had dissented and there would have been a split - council leader with casting vote. Four dissent and the policy does not go forward. And that I am sure near all agree above is democracy in action. The case now in my view is to campaign to get Cllr Butt re-instated. On one count a first rate and hugely valuable Cllr. And point two on principle - no elected Cllr should ever be dismissed from a position in cabinet for speaking up for and supporting the views of their residents. That must never happen. It's got to be 100% wrong. Jeff Williams Parkstone Jeff in Parkstone
  • Score: -4

4:52pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Desperado says...

Councillor Judy Butt ,
I am sure everyone would agree, she was the only councillor worth her salt .
The rest of them are just a waste of space, just in the job because it looks good , on the gravy train .

Judy Butt, did what was right for her ward her people .
When this encampment fails, as it will , there will be a lot t**ts with egg on their faces.
Creekmoor should have a statue erected of her, outside the site of the failed encampment , so visitors to Poole will see someone who was worthy.
And be a lesson to other stupid councillors not to waste our money on white elephants , and hear what the people are saying.
Councillor Judy Butt , I am sure everyone would agree, she was the only councillor worth her salt . The rest of them are just a waste of space, just in the job because it looks good , on the gravy train . Judy Butt, did what was right for her ward her people . When this encampment fails, as it will , there will be a lot t**ts with egg on their faces. Creekmoor should have a statue erected of her, outside the site of the failed encampment , so visitors to Poole will see someone who was worthy. And be a lesson to other stupid councillors not to waste our money on white elephants , and hear what the people are saying. Desperado
  • Score: 2

4:56pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
DorsetFerret wrote:
Getting back to the origins of this topic. It strikes me that now would be a good time to contact the Local Authority Ombudsman. I can’t think Poole Council can shoot itself in the foot any more than it has done. The website is;-

http://www.lgo.org.u


k/forms/ShowForm.asp


?fm_fid=62

You will need a copy of email or letter sent originally to the council to complain along with their response but otherwise it’s quite easy register with them
Councils have no accountability, no regulators, no policing, etc. They can do what they want. The LAO is only interested if you have suffered a personal loss. I've tried that before.
That is not quite true, every councillor must sign a code of conduct and if they are in breach of that at any time then they are accountable, if no resolve can be found at local council level then you take the matter up with the ombudsman.
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DorsetFerret[/bold] wrote: Getting back to the origins of this topic. It strikes me that now would be a good time to contact the Local Authority Ombudsman. I can’t think Poole Council can shoot itself in the foot any more than it has done. The website is;- http://www.lgo.org.u k/forms/ShowForm.asp ?fm_fid=62 You will need a copy of email or letter sent originally to the council to complain along with their response but otherwise it’s quite easy register with them[/p][/quote]Councils have no accountability, no regulators, no policing, etc. They can do what they want. The LAO is only interested if you have suffered a personal loss. I've tried that before.[/p][/quote]That is not quite true, every councillor must sign a code of conduct and if they are in breach of that at any time then they are accountable, if no resolve can be found at local council level then you take the matter up with the ombudsman. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 3

5:26pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Rabbitman64 says...

ATOS Demo in Bournemouth

Wednesday 19th Feb - 8am onwards -

A peaceful demo where all are invited to take part and show ATOS no more deaths will be accepted.

Bournemouth Assessment Centre, Job Centre Plus, Tamarisk House, 1 Cotlands Road, Bournemouth, BH1 3BG.
ATOS Demo in Bournemouth Wednesday 19th Feb - 8am onwards - A peaceful demo where all are invited to take part and show ATOS no more deaths will be accepted. Bournemouth Assessment Centre, Job Centre Plus, Tamarisk House, 1 Cotlands Road, Bournemouth, BH1 3BG. Rabbitman64
  • Score: -2

5:27pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Rabbitman64 says...

ATOS Demo in Bournemouth

Wednesday 19th Feb - 8am onwards -

A demo where all are invited to take part and show ATOS no more deaths will be accepted.

Bournemouth Assessment Centre, Job Centre Plus, Tamarisk House, 1 Cotlands Road, Bournemouth, BH1 3BG.
ATOS Demo in Bournemouth Wednesday 19th Feb - 8am onwards - A demo where all are invited to take part and show ATOS no more deaths will be accepted. Bournemouth Assessment Centre, Job Centre Plus, Tamarisk House, 1 Cotlands Road, Bournemouth, BH1 3BG. Rabbitman64
  • Score: -1

5:58pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Carolyn43 says...

I think Atkinson should resign. She has sacked Judy for representing the views of the electorate in her ward. Atkinson is representing the views of the electorate in her ward - they don't want a travellers' site anywhere near them. Just because she dictates what the cabinet will do and it happens to coincide with what her residents want doesn't make any difference. She is representing the views of her residents on the cabinet just as Judy did. Therefore she should resign.
I think Atkinson should resign. She has sacked Judy for representing the views of the electorate in her ward. Atkinson is representing the views of the electorate in her ward - they don't want a travellers' site anywhere near them. Just because she dictates what the cabinet will do and it happens to coincide with what her residents want doesn't make any difference. She is representing the views of her residents on the cabinet just as Judy did. Therefore she should resign. Carolyn43
  • Score: 4

6:16pm Thu 13 Feb 14

GAHmusic says...

Jeff in Parkstone wrote:
I join with the over-whelming majority above Judy Butt is a first rate Cllr and very surprising indeed that any Cllr leadership would dismiss such an outstanding Cllr from her job in cabinet because she supported the residents who elected her to represent them.

But then Cllr Atkinson has pointed out that despite Judy's first rate work for three years the matter of and need for "collective responsibility" is the reason for dismissal from cabinet. You join cabinet and that is what you sign up for.

So where are we here ?

Cllr's mandate is from the residents in the Cllr's ward who elect the Cllr to represent then to Council.

Cllr gets appointed to cabinet - Cllr's job is to take collective responsibility to drive forward council policy ?

Judy has then been caught in one huge and impossible dilemma.

And that in my view one huge flaw in the "political" system. Not in any degree in the decision making of Cllr Butt.

And in any case given the dilemma as is (cabinet for the travellers' site, Creekmore residents against) as the over-whelming majority are saying above first responsibility is and must be to ward electorate.

Second responsibility to cabinet, and that surely on the core point cabinet is a number of Cllrs (six in this case) who collectively judge vote and decide and in that surely the heart of the democracy.

Cabinet supported the travellers' site in Creekmore. Cllr Butt dissented. That's fine. Three had dissented and there would have been a split - council leader with casting vote. Four dissent and the policy does not go forward.

And that I am sure near all agree above is democracy in action.

The case now in my view is to campaign to get Cllr Butt re-instated. On one count a first rate and hugely valuable Cllr. And point two on principle - no elected Cllr should ever be dismissed from a position in cabinet for speaking up for and supporting the views of their residents.

That must never happen. It's got to be 100% wrong.

Jeff Williams

Parkstone
Democracy goes much further than the walls of the town hall. It doesn't matter what the vote was if some of those who voted yes did so against the majority view of their ward members then that's not democracy.
I just like to also say Judy is a wonderfull councillor who works tirelessly for her wardshe is genuine, passionate and caring and I have huge respect for her I would happily have her as my councillor in Bournemouth when Ron retires
[quote][p][bold]Jeff in Parkstone[/bold] wrote: I join with the over-whelming majority above Judy Butt is a first rate Cllr and very surprising indeed that any Cllr leadership would dismiss such an outstanding Cllr from her job in cabinet because she supported the residents who elected her to represent them. But then Cllr Atkinson has pointed out that despite Judy's first rate work for three years the matter of and need for "collective responsibility" is the reason for dismissal from cabinet. You join cabinet and that is what you sign up for. So where are we here ? Cllr's mandate is from the residents in the Cllr's ward who elect the Cllr to represent then to Council. Cllr gets appointed to cabinet - Cllr's job is to take collective responsibility to drive forward council policy ? Judy has then been caught in one huge and impossible dilemma. And that in my view one huge flaw in the "political" system. Not in any degree in the decision making of Cllr Butt. And in any case given the dilemma as is (cabinet for the travellers' site, Creekmore residents against) as the over-whelming majority are saying above first responsibility is and must be to ward electorate. Second responsibility to cabinet, and that surely on the core point cabinet is a number of Cllrs (six in this case) who collectively judge vote and decide and in that surely the heart of the democracy. Cabinet supported the travellers' site in Creekmore. Cllr Butt dissented. That's fine. Three had dissented and there would have been a split - council leader with casting vote. Four dissent and the policy does not go forward. And that I am sure near all agree above is democracy in action. The case now in my view is to campaign to get Cllr Butt re-instated. On one count a first rate and hugely valuable Cllr. And point two on principle - no elected Cllr should ever be dismissed from a position in cabinet for speaking up for and supporting the views of their residents. That must never happen. It's got to be 100% wrong. Jeff Williams Parkstone[/p][/quote]Democracy goes much further than the walls of the town hall. It doesn't matter what the vote was if some of those who voted yes did so against the majority view of their ward members then that's not democracy. I just like to also say Judy is a wonderfull councillor who works tirelessly for her wardshe is genuine, passionate and caring and I have huge respect for her I would happily have her as my councillor in Bournemouth when Ron retires GAHmusic
  • Score: 2

6:21pm Thu 13 Feb 14

LoulouBlue says...

Shame on you, Poole Conservatives
Shame on you ,Council Leader, Cllr Elaine Atkinson,
Judy is a breath of fresh air and everything a Councillor should be she is real, caring, full of empathy and approachable. You see her out and about, that is why her ward voted for her, they voted for Judy the person. I now understand why my Councillor abstained from the vote. This action has cost the conservatives a lot of seats come May, I bet the other parties cannot believe their luck. Why does someone have to be punished for representing the people who voted for her? I for one love Judy and appreciate all that she has done, I wish she was my Councillor, As to Cllr Elaine Atkinson, I think the excuse was pathetic and you have got this so wrong no wonder there is voter apathy. Some Leader !
Shame on you, Poole Conservatives Shame on you ,Council Leader, Cllr Elaine Atkinson, Judy is a breath of fresh air and everything a Councillor should be she is real, caring, full of empathy and approachable. You see her out and about, that is why her ward voted for her, they voted for Judy the person. I now understand why my Councillor abstained from the vote. This action has cost the conservatives a lot of seats come May, I bet the other parties cannot believe their luck. Why does someone have to be punished for representing the people who voted for her? I for one love Judy and appreciate all that she has done, I wish she was my Councillor, As to Cllr Elaine Atkinson, I think the excuse was pathetic and you have got this so wrong no wonder there is voter apathy. Some Leader ! LoulouBlue
  • Score: 10

6:28pm Thu 13 Feb 14

mimi55 says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
I am really sorry to hear about the treatment of Cllr Butt, having spoken with her after the farce of a meeting on 27th Jan in regards to the proposed transits site, I am fully aware of her commitment and dedication to the constituents she represents and for me is a fine example of how any councillor elected by the people, should be. Do they intend to get rid of anyone who stands up for their residents?

This does clearly show the closed shop attitude of the present shower we have in Poole Council and I sincerely hope that people remember this come local election time next year.
I will be reminding them!
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: I am really sorry to hear about the treatment of Cllr Butt, having spoken with her after the farce of a meeting on 27th Jan in regards to the proposed transits site, I am fully aware of her commitment and dedication to the constituents she represents and for me is a fine example of how any councillor elected by the people, should be. Do they intend to get rid of anyone who stands up for their residents? This does clearly show the closed shop attitude of the present shower we have in Poole Council and I sincerely hope that people remember this come local election time next year.[/p][/quote]I will be reminding them! mimi55
  • Score: 3

6:34pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Carolyn43 says...

Unfortunately the next council elections aren't until May 2015, not this year.

Hopefully by then Atkinson (I can't bring myself to give her a title as I have absolutely no respect for the woman) will have had to resign. I can only think she is jealous of the respect in which Judy Butt is held for actually representing her ward. If she hasn't resigned by then, hopefully the electorate of Atkinson's ward won't re-elect her and choose someone with the same integrity that Judy has.
Unfortunately the next council elections aren't until May 2015, not this year. Hopefully by then Atkinson (I can't bring myself to give her a title as I have absolutely no respect for the woman) will have had to resign. I can only think she is jealous of the respect in which Judy Butt is held for actually representing her ward. If she hasn't resigned by then, hopefully the electorate of Atkinson's ward won't re-elect her and choose someone with the same integrity that Judy has. Carolyn43
  • Score: 8

6:53pm Thu 13 Feb 14

i have heard it all now says...

The Shower that run Poole should be ashamed of themselves,God only knows what the future will bring with the current mob in charge.
The Shower that run Poole should be ashamed of themselves,God only knows what the future will bring with the current mob in charge. i have heard it all now
  • Score: 3

7:58pm Thu 13 Feb 14

fairandsquared says...

Clearly all this support is from her residents. I am sure there was a lot more to the decision than the echo reported. Other councillors even on cabinet don't get sacked for representing their residents. What else did she achieve? Residents in other parts of poole wanted this site to go ahead I expected my councillor to vote for the site and she did, it's no good attacking those councillors who represent us, just because you don't agree with them - we do.
Clearly all this support is from her residents. I am sure there was a lot more to the decision than the echo reported. Other councillors even on cabinet don't get sacked for representing their residents. What else did she achieve? Residents in other parts of poole wanted this site to go ahead I expected my councillor to vote for the site and she did, it's no good attacking those councillors who represent us, just because you don't agree with them - we do. fairandsquared
  • Score: -11

8:14pm Thu 13 Feb 14

O'Reilly says...

Dear god.....the Soviet Union is in our home towns.......doubt the poor fools will notice the freedoms taken from under their eyes...
Dear god.....the Soviet Union is in our home towns.......doubt the poor fools will notice the freedoms taken from under their eyes... O'Reilly
  • Score: 2

8:35pm Thu 13 Feb 14

daveweb says...

fairandsquared wrote:
Clearly all this support is from her residents. I am sure there was a lot more to the decision than the echo reported. Other councillors even on cabinet don't get sacked for representing their residents. What else did she achieve? Residents in other parts of poole wanted this site to go ahead I expected my councillor to vote for the site and she did, it's no good attacking those councillors who represent us, just because you don't agree with them - we do.
I don't believe the main issue is just the location of the proposed sites - it's the way the process has happened too - no public consultation, correct systems and planning not adhered to and the lack of consultation with the Gypsy Council who themselves have stated that 1) If the site isn't good enough for house development, it is not good enough for gypsies, and they won't use it 2) Due to rival gypsy families not getting on with each other, only one group at a time will be able to use the site, leading to potential illegal overspill in surrounding private land. This is hardly a genuine solution. It amazes me that fairandsquared would want this site given these facts. We've been told this will cost £250,000 of Poole tax payers money, plus a minimum £30,000 per year to manage (when Poole council are cutting bus routes and other essential community funding due to lack of money). This seems wrong without a proper inquiry. Not to mention, the proposed access gate to the gypsy site will cross the entrance of the fire station and could obstruct emergency vehicles on-call - the secondary access will be blocked by local businesses if the site goes ahead, for fear of associated criminal damage. This puts all Poole residents at risk. Given all of this information and the lack of real research conducted by Poole councillors, why would ANY Poole resident want this to go ahead?!
[quote][p][bold]fairandsquared[/bold] wrote: Clearly all this support is from her residents. I am sure there was a lot more to the decision than the echo reported. Other councillors even on cabinet don't get sacked for representing their residents. What else did she achieve? Residents in other parts of poole wanted this site to go ahead I expected my councillor to vote for the site and she did, it's no good attacking those councillors who represent us, just because you don't agree with them - we do.[/p][/quote]I don't believe the main issue is just the location of the proposed sites - it's the way the process has happened too - no public consultation, correct systems and planning not adhered to and the lack of consultation with the Gypsy Council who themselves have stated that 1) If the site isn't good enough for house development, it is not good enough for gypsies, and they won't use it 2) Due to rival gypsy families not getting on with each other, only one group at a time will be able to use the site, leading to potential illegal overspill in surrounding private land. This is hardly a genuine solution. It amazes me that fairandsquared would want this site given these facts. We've been told this will cost £250,000 of Poole tax payers money, plus a minimum £30,000 per year to manage (when Poole council are cutting bus routes and other essential community funding due to lack of money). This seems wrong without a proper inquiry. Not to mention, the proposed access gate to the gypsy site will cross the entrance of the fire station and could obstruct emergency vehicles on-call - the secondary access will be blocked by local businesses if the site goes ahead, for fear of associated criminal damage. This puts all Poole residents at risk. Given all of this information and the lack of real research conducted by Poole councillors, why would ANY Poole resident want this to go ahead?! daveweb
  • Score: 9

8:35pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Getridofthetories says...

No Councillor wanted the temporary site in their ward. So they go and stick the temporary site right on a roundabout which is on the main road into the town. What a lovely advert for tourism which should be the back bone of this town. Every visitor to poole and every commuter going through it will see the site. They then say its the only suitable site

Judy was correct in what she done, she supported her electorate just like any councillor who red cards a planning application would do. She was elected by the people for the people, she should ultimately be answerable to her electorate, not Ms Atkinson

Ms Atkinson should be ashamed of herself for not putting it to a vote before she took action

Maybe the councillors should call for a vote of confidence in Ms Atkinson in her post now

maybe you should Write to you councillor and ask for a vote of confidence
No Councillor wanted the temporary site in their ward. So they go and stick the temporary site right on a roundabout which is on the main road into the town. What a lovely advert for tourism which should be the back bone of this town. Every visitor to poole and every commuter going through it will see the site. They then say its the only suitable site Judy was correct in what she done, she supported her electorate just like any councillor who red cards a planning application would do. She was elected by the people for the people, she should ultimately be answerable to her electorate, not Ms Atkinson Ms Atkinson should be ashamed of herself for not putting it to a vote before she took action Maybe the councillors should call for a vote of confidence in Ms Atkinson in her post now maybe you should Write to you councillor and ask for a vote of confidence Getridofthetories
  • Score: 8

8:51pm Thu 13 Feb 14

UKIP4U says...

A dose of extreme liberal led political bias aimed at a councillor who's point of view was to stand up for the people who elected her in the ward.Her attitude is in line with UKIP's policies to put people before politics.
I suggest Judy contacts in first instance www.ukip-poole.org/ and stands for re-election as a UKIP candidate where i am sure her support will continue.
A dose of extreme liberal led political bias aimed at a councillor who's point of view was to stand up for the people who elected her in the ward.Her attitude is in line with UKIP's policies to put people before politics. I suggest Judy contacts in first instance www.ukip-poole.org/ and stands for re-election as a UKIP candidate where i am sure her support will continue. UKIP4U
  • Score: 4

9:30pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Carolyn43 says...

Fairandsquared obviously hasn't seen the site. Wherever it was, it just isn't suitable. Go and look at it.
......
I feel very sorry for the residents in Atkinson's ward. She obviously doesn't believe she has been elected to represent them. Apparently she has taken over "Community Engagement" which was Judy's remit. Yes, I laughed too.
Fairandsquared obviously hasn't seen the site. Wherever it was, it just isn't suitable. Go and look at it. ...... I feel very sorry for the residents in Atkinson's ward. She obviously doesn't believe she has been elected to represent them. Apparently she has taken over "Community Engagement" which was Judy's remit. Yes, I laughed too. Carolyn43
  • Score: 0

9:34pm Thu 13 Feb 14

mimi55 says...

fairandsquared wrote:
Clearly all this support is from her residents. I am sure there was a lot more to the decision than the echo reported. Other councillors even on cabinet don't get sacked for representing their residents. What else did she achieve? Residents in other parts of poole wanted this site to go ahead I expected my councillor to vote for the site and she did, it's no good attacking those councillors who represent us, just because you don't agree with them - we do.
So you think it is a good idea to spend £250,000 , plus £30,000 a
year on maintenance on a site that the Travellers don't want to use? I guess
what you mean is 'at least it won't be in MY part of Poole, ' and no, I do not
live in Creekmoor
[quote][p][bold]fairandsquared[/bold] wrote: Clearly all this support is from her residents. I am sure there was a lot more to the decision than the echo reported. Other councillors even on cabinet don't get sacked for representing their residents. What else did she achieve? Residents in other parts of poole wanted this site to go ahead I expected my councillor to vote for the site and she did, it's no good attacking those councillors who represent us, just because you don't agree with them - we do.[/p][/quote]So you think it is a good idea to spend £250,000 , plus £30,000 a year on maintenance on a site that the Travellers don't want to use? I guess what you mean is 'at least it won't be in MY part of Poole, ' and no, I do not live in Creekmoor mimi55
  • Score: 4

11:45pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Bob49 says...

"I don't think Mr Farage actually said anything about the last manifesto, I know he made a remark about the 2010 one"

and what was that 'remark' ?

thatn the UKIP manifesto was drivel

a manifesto that "wanted to introduce a dress code for taxi drivers, regularly deploy armed forces on the street and repaint trains in traditional colours. and also wanted yo bring back "proper dress" to the theatre"

Some might laugh but it went further and called for "making the Circle line tube on London underground circular again" !

This is not a serious political party, but a ragbag of malecontents each with their ow varied grevance led (like the BNP with Griffin0 by a changer on the make - as some might see with this supposed anti Europe group happily trousering £2m from Europen. I wonder how much of that finds it's way into the pockets of the deluded foot soldiers.

Wheras the Monster Raving Looney party gave a hint to what it stood for, what does the anocrinym UKIP stand for ..... other than advice for what it's members should do after lunch and before Countdown comes on ?

Pipe smoking to be taught in school to all boys over the age of 13, perhaps ?
"I don't think Mr Farage actually said anything about the last manifesto, I know he made a remark about the 2010 one" and what was that 'remark' ? thatn the UKIP manifesto was drivel a manifesto that "wanted to introduce a dress code for taxi drivers, regularly deploy armed forces on the street and repaint trains in traditional colours. and also wanted yo bring back "proper dress" to the theatre" Some might laugh but it went further and called for "making the Circle line tube on London underground circular again" ! This is not a serious political party, but a ragbag of malecontents each with their ow varied grevance led (like the BNP with Griffin0 by a changer on the make - as some might see with this supposed anti Europe group happily trousering £2m from Europen. I wonder how much of that finds it's way into the pockets of the deluded foot soldiers. Wheras the Monster Raving Looney party gave a hint to what it stood for, what does the anocrinym UKIP stand for ..... other than advice for what it's members should do after lunch and before Countdown comes on ? Pipe smoking to be taught in school to all boys over the age of 13, perhaps ? Bob49
  • Score: 1

12:25am Fri 14 Feb 14

alyce says...

The only activity Cllr Atkinson really shows engagement in is stocking up on pies at her local supermarket. How can a person who is unable to control her own appetite be taken seriously?
As always one reaps what one sows and the reckoning will come sometime soon.
The only activity Cllr Atkinson really shows engagement in is stocking up on pies at her local supermarket. How can a person who is unable to control her own appetite be taken seriously? As always one reaps what one sows and the reckoning will come sometime soon. alyce
  • Score: 6

12:32am Fri 14 Feb 14

GrahamC says...

Then perhaps Ms Butt, who appears to have the full support of her voters, should resign from what looks like a closed-shop Tory cabal run by a vindictive leader, and stand again as an independent for the local election next year......in the meantime she really should stay in post purely to support her voters until then (and to make life as difficult as possible for this Atkinson woman)........I certainly have grown to despise the antics of the main 3 parties and would now always support a committed independent candidate both in local and national elections.
Then perhaps Ms Butt, who appears to have the full support of her voters, should resign from what looks like a closed-shop Tory cabal run by a vindictive leader, and stand again as an independent for the local election next year......in the meantime she really should stay in post purely to support her voters until then (and to make life as difficult as possible for this Atkinson woman)........I certainly have grown to despise the antics of the main 3 parties and would now always support a committed independent candidate both in local and national elections. GrahamC
  • Score: 2

10:39am Fri 14 Feb 14

lorrai1011 says...

What a surprise think Atkinson needs sacking very soured face and up herself.
What a surprise think Atkinson needs sacking very soured face and up herself. lorrai1011
  • Score: 3

12:27pm Fri 14 Feb 14

mimi55 says...

Cllr Atkinson has chosen as Judy Butt's replacement another Cllr who
voted against the Travellers site. Wonder what's behind that????
Cllr Atkinson has chosen as Judy Butt's replacement another Cllr who voted against the Travellers site. Wonder what's behind that???? mimi55
  • Score: 4

3:37pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

GrahamC wrote:
Then perhaps Ms Butt, who appears to have the full support of her voters, should resign from what looks like a closed-shop Tory cabal run by a vindictive leader, and stand again as an independent for the local election next year......in the meantime she really should stay in post purely to support her voters until then (and to make life as difficult as possible for this Atkinson woman)........I certainly have grown to despise the antics of the main 3 parties and would now always support a committed independent candidate both in local and national elections.
An independent MP in parliament is like a little fish in a sea of sharks and even if they put forward the most sensible idea in the the world they would get laughed out simply because they are an independent. As wrong as it may be that is the case.
[quote][p][bold]GrahamC[/bold] wrote: Then perhaps Ms Butt, who appears to have the full support of her voters, should resign from what looks like a closed-shop Tory cabal run by a vindictive leader, and stand again as an independent for the local election next year......in the meantime she really should stay in post purely to support her voters until then (and to make life as difficult as possible for this Atkinson woman)........I certainly have grown to despise the antics of the main 3 parties and would now always support a committed independent candidate both in local and national elections.[/p][/quote]An independent MP in parliament is like a little fish in a sea of sharks and even if they put forward the most sensible idea in the the world they would get laughed out simply because they are an independent. As wrong as it may be that is the case. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 2

3:46pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Bob49 wrote:
"I don't think Mr Farage actually said anything about the last manifesto, I know he made a remark about the 2010 one"

and what was that 'remark' ?

thatn the UKIP manifesto was drivel

a manifesto that "wanted to introduce a dress code for taxi drivers, regularly deploy armed forces on the street and repaint trains in traditional colours. and also wanted yo bring back "proper dress" to the theatre"

Some might laugh but it went further and called for "making the Circle line tube on London underground circular again" !

This is not a serious political party, but a ragbag of malecontents each with their ow varied grevance led (like the BNP with Griffin0 by a changer on the make - as some might see with this supposed anti Europe group happily trousering £2m from Europen. I wonder how much of that finds it's way into the pockets of the deluded foot soldiers.

Wheras the Monster Raving Looney party gave a hint to what it stood for, what does the anocrinym UKIP stand for ..... other than advice for what it's members should do after lunch and before Countdown comes on ?

Pipe smoking to be taught in school to all boys over the age of 13, perhaps ?
You really should stop advertising the fact that you swallow media smears so easily Bob, UKIP is a serious party and the only party that is offering real change in British politics today, if you are happy with the political elite system we have, then vote for anyone else but UKIP because the outcome will be the same.

Anyway this article is not about UKIP it is about how our own local council is treating hard working councillors like Judy Butt and if the people of Poole allow that to go by without objection we will never have any decent councillors because they will simply get pushed out. That is something I would not like to see happen.

If you do want to argue the odds on whether UKIP is a serious party then do feel free to join the forum at www.ukip-poole.org
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "I don't think Mr Farage actually said anything about the last manifesto, I know he made a remark about the 2010 one" and what was that 'remark' ? thatn the UKIP manifesto was drivel a manifesto that "wanted to introduce a dress code for taxi drivers, regularly deploy armed forces on the street and repaint trains in traditional colours. and also wanted yo bring back "proper dress" to the theatre" Some might laugh but it went further and called for "making the Circle line tube on London underground circular again" ! This is not a serious political party, but a ragbag of malecontents each with their ow varied grevance led (like the BNP with Griffin0 by a changer on the make - as some might see with this supposed anti Europe group happily trousering £2m from Europen. I wonder how much of that finds it's way into the pockets of the deluded foot soldiers. Wheras the Monster Raving Looney party gave a hint to what it stood for, what does the anocrinym UKIP stand for ..... other than advice for what it's members should do after lunch and before Countdown comes on ? Pipe smoking to be taught in school to all boys over the age of 13, perhaps ?[/p][/quote]You really should stop advertising the fact that you swallow media smears so easily Bob, UKIP is a serious party and the only party that is offering real change in British politics today, if you are happy with the political elite system we have, then vote for anyone else but UKIP because the outcome will be the same. Anyway this article is not about UKIP it is about how our own local council is treating hard working councillors like Judy Butt and if the people of Poole allow that to go by without objection we will never have any decent councillors because they will simply get pushed out. That is something I would not like to see happen. If you do want to argue the odds on whether UKIP is a serious party then do feel free to join the forum at www.ukip-poole.org Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 0

3:55pm Fri 14 Feb 14

mimi55 says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
"I don't think Mr Farage actually said anything about the last manifesto, I know he made a remark about the 2010 one"

and what was that 'remark' ?

thatn the UKIP manifesto was drivel

a manifesto that "wanted to introduce a dress code for taxi drivers, regularly deploy armed forces on the street and repaint trains in traditional colours. and also wanted yo bring back "proper dress" to the theatre"

Some might laugh but it went further and called for "making the Circle line tube on London underground circular again" !

This is not a serious political party, but a ragbag of malecontents each with their ow varied grevance led (like the BNP with Griffin0 by a changer on the make - as some might see with this supposed anti Europe group happily trousering £2m from Europen. I wonder how much of that finds it's way into the pockets of the deluded foot soldiers.

Wheras the Monster Raving Looney party gave a hint to what it stood for, what does the anocrinym UKIP stand for ..... other than advice for what it's members should do after lunch and before Countdown comes on ?

Pipe smoking to be taught in school to all boys over the age of 13, perhaps ?
You really should stop advertising the fact that you swallow media smears so easily Bob, UKIP is a serious party and the only party that is offering real change in British politics today, if you are happy with the political elite system we have, then vote for anyone else but UKIP because the outcome will be the same.

Anyway this article is not about UKIP it is about how our own local council is treating hard working councillors like Judy Butt and if the people of Poole allow that to go by without objection we will never have any decent councillors because they will simply get pushed out. That is something I would not like to see happen.

If you do want to argue the odds on whether UKIP is a serious party then do feel free to join the forum at www.ukip-poole.org
I rread elsewhere on the Echo site that UKIP came second in an election
yesterday, beating the Tories and the Liberal Democrats. Not bad for a
'joke' party!
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "I don't think Mr Farage actually said anything about the last manifesto, I know he made a remark about the 2010 one" and what was that 'remark' ? thatn the UKIP manifesto was drivel a manifesto that "wanted to introduce a dress code for taxi drivers, regularly deploy armed forces on the street and repaint trains in traditional colours. and also wanted yo bring back "proper dress" to the theatre" Some might laugh but it went further and called for "making the Circle line tube on London underground circular again" ! This is not a serious political party, but a ragbag of malecontents each with their ow varied grevance led (like the BNP with Griffin0 by a changer on the make - as some might see with this supposed anti Europe group happily trousering £2m from Europen. I wonder how much of that finds it's way into the pockets of the deluded foot soldiers. Wheras the Monster Raving Looney party gave a hint to what it stood for, what does the anocrinym UKIP stand for ..... other than advice for what it's members should do after lunch and before Countdown comes on ? Pipe smoking to be taught in school to all boys over the age of 13, perhaps ?[/p][/quote]You really should stop advertising the fact that you swallow media smears so easily Bob, UKIP is a serious party and the only party that is offering real change in British politics today, if you are happy with the political elite system we have, then vote for anyone else but UKIP because the outcome will be the same. Anyway this article is not about UKIP it is about how our own local council is treating hard working councillors like Judy Butt and if the people of Poole allow that to go by without objection we will never have any decent councillors because they will simply get pushed out. That is something I would not like to see happen. If you do want to argue the odds on whether UKIP is a serious party then do feel free to join the forum at www.ukip-poole.org[/p][/quote]I rread elsewhere on the Echo site that UKIP came second in an election yesterday, beating the Tories and the Liberal Democrats. Not bad for a 'joke' party! mimi55
  • Score: -1

4:12pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Rabbitman64 wrote:
ATOS Demo in Bournemouth

Wednesday 19th Feb - 8am onwards -

A demo where all are invited to take part and show ATOS no more deaths will be accepted.

Bournemouth Assessment Centre, Job Centre Plus, Tamarisk House, 1 Cotlands Road, Bournemouth, BH1 3BG.
I find it truly incredible that anyone could give this a minus vote, ATOS is something that everyone should campaign against, able bodied and disabled alike. They are being paid millions to clean up the shirkers and yet 90% of those they right off, win on their appeals. It is a complete waste of time and money and a lot of real disabled people are suffering because of it.
[quote][p][bold]Rabbitman64[/bold] wrote: ATOS Demo in Bournemouth Wednesday 19th Feb - 8am onwards - A demo where all are invited to take part and show ATOS no more deaths will be accepted. Bournemouth Assessment Centre, Job Centre Plus, Tamarisk House, 1 Cotlands Road, Bournemouth, BH1 3BG.[/p][/quote]I find it truly incredible that anyone could give this a minus vote, ATOS is something that everyone should campaign against, able bodied and disabled alike. They are being paid millions to clean up the shirkers and yet 90% of those they right off, win on their appeals. It is a complete waste of time and money and a lot of real disabled people are suffering because of it. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -2

11:52pm Fri 14 Feb 14

peterm8264 says...

Here we go again .go back to the reason she was sacked .SUPPORT for the people of her ward . a shame that the leader was not sacked for supporting her ward when she ruled out an encampment there . stop the party politics and get back to the reasons and support an unfair dismissal.
Here we go again .go back to the reason she was sacked .SUPPORT for the people of her ward . a shame that the leader was not sacked for supporting her ward when she ruled out an encampment there . stop the party politics and get back to the reasons and support an unfair dismissal. peterm8264
  • Score: 2

9:23am Sat 15 Feb 14

Major Futtock says...

I agree with all sympathies for Judy Butt.
She was only doing her job. Which is to represent the people who voted her in. The 'Party Whip' system is flawed. whether in local or national politics.
Atkinson is a disgrace to her position and should resign IMMEDIATELY.
Someone should call for a vote of no confidence in the leader of the Council.
Obviously no Tory Councillor would dare to do so. So come on you Poole People and Lib dems, get her out!
I agree with all sympathies for Judy Butt. She was only doing her job. Which is to represent the people who voted her in. The 'Party Whip' system is flawed. whether in local or national politics. Atkinson is a disgrace to her position and should resign IMMEDIATELY. Someone should call for a vote of no confidence in the leader of the Council. Obviously no Tory Councillor would dare to do so. So come on you Poole People and Lib dems, get her out! Major Futtock
  • Score: 3

9:40am Sat 15 Feb 14

Carolyn43 says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Rabbitman64 wrote:
ATOS Demo in Bournemouth

Wednesday 19th Feb - 8am onwards -

A demo where all are invited to take part and show ATOS no more deaths will be accepted.

Bournemouth Assessment Centre, Job Centre Plus, Tamarisk House, 1 Cotlands Road, Bournemouth, BH1 3BG.
I find it truly incredible that anyone could give this a minus vote, ATOS is something that everyone should campaign against, able bodied and disabled alike. They are being paid millions to clean up the shirkers and yet 90% of those they right off, win on their appeals. It is a complete waste of time and money and a lot of real disabled people are suffering because of it.
What has this got to do with the sacking of Judy Butt. An article about a local councillor doing her job should not be an excuse for anyone to highjack the conversation for another topic and turn it into a party political campaign for your party.
.....
Your turning the unjust treatment of Judy Butt into a campaign for UKIP is annoying me, and I suspect a lot of others too, and has turned me off voting for UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rabbitman64[/bold] wrote: ATOS Demo in Bournemouth Wednesday 19th Feb - 8am onwards - A demo where all are invited to take part and show ATOS no more deaths will be accepted. Bournemouth Assessment Centre, Job Centre Plus, Tamarisk House, 1 Cotlands Road, Bournemouth, BH1 3BG.[/p][/quote]I find it truly incredible that anyone could give this a minus vote, ATOS is something that everyone should campaign against, able bodied and disabled alike. They are being paid millions to clean up the shirkers and yet 90% of those they right off, win on their appeals. It is a complete waste of time and money and a lot of real disabled people are suffering because of it.[/p][/quote]What has this got to do with the sacking of Judy Butt. An article about a local councillor doing her job should not be an excuse for anyone to highjack the conversation for another topic and turn it into a party political campaign for your party. ..... Your turning the unjust treatment of Judy Butt into a campaign for UKIP is annoying me, and I suspect a lot of others too, and has turned me off voting for UKIP. Carolyn43
  • Score: 4

10:17am Sun 16 Feb 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Rabbitman64 wrote:
ATOS Demo in Bournemouth

Wednesday 19th Feb - 8am onwards -

A demo where all are invited to take part and show ATOS no more deaths will be accepted.

Bournemouth Assessment Centre, Job Centre Plus, Tamarisk House, 1 Cotlands Road, Bournemouth, BH1 3BG.
I find it truly incredible that anyone could give this a minus vote, ATOS is something that everyone should campaign against, able bodied and disabled alike. They are being paid millions to clean up the shirkers and yet 90% of those they right off, win on their appeals. It is a complete waste of time and money and a lot of real disabled people are suffering because of it.
What has this got to do with the sacking of Judy Butt. An article about a local councillor doing her job should not be an excuse for anyone to highjack the conversation for another topic and turn it into a party political campaign for your party.
.....
Your turning the unjust treatment of Judy Butt into a campaign for UKIP is annoying me, and I suspect a lot of others too, and has turned me off voting for UKIP.
I think you may be confusing yourself here Carolyn43, I did not make the post about the ATOS campaign, I simply commented on someone elses post because I was surprised it had received negative votes. Be annoyed as much as you like but as I am actually disabled I guess I find the treatment of others by ATOS somewhat far more distasteful than someone going off topic on an echo article. As for not voting for UKIP just because I stand up for disabled people I guess that is entirely your choice at the end of the day but it does seem a pretty pathetic excuse to me!
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rabbitman64[/bold] wrote: ATOS Demo in Bournemouth Wednesday 19th Feb - 8am onwards - A demo where all are invited to take part and show ATOS no more deaths will be accepted. Bournemouth Assessment Centre, Job Centre Plus, Tamarisk House, 1 Cotlands Road, Bournemouth, BH1 3BG.[/p][/quote]I find it truly incredible that anyone could give this a minus vote, ATOS is something that everyone should campaign against, able bodied and disabled alike. They are being paid millions to clean up the shirkers and yet 90% of those they right off, win on their appeals. It is a complete waste of time and money and a lot of real disabled people are suffering because of it.[/p][/quote]What has this got to do with the sacking of Judy Butt. An article about a local councillor doing her job should not be an excuse for anyone to highjack the conversation for another topic and turn it into a party political campaign for your party. ..... Your turning the unjust treatment of Judy Butt into a campaign for UKIP is annoying me, and I suspect a lot of others too, and has turned me off voting for UKIP.[/p][/quote]I think you may be confusing yourself here Carolyn43, I did not make the post about the ATOS campaign, I simply commented on someone elses post because I was surprised it had received negative votes. Be annoyed as much as you like but as I am actually disabled I guess I find the treatment of others by ATOS somewhat far more distasteful than someone going off topic on an echo article. As for not voting for UKIP just because I stand up for disabled people I guess that is entirely your choice at the end of the day but it does seem a pretty pathetic excuse to me! Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 1

2:32pm Sun 16 Feb 14

ADST_2008 says...

The Leader should go next................
The Leader should go next................ ADST_2008
  • Score: 1

2:35pm Sun 16 Feb 14

ADST_2008 says...

Perhaps they should sack the other 2 creekmoor clr,s making it easier to make way for the Marshes end TSP ?
Perhaps they should sack the other 2 creekmoor clr,s making it easier to make way for the Marshes end TSP ? ADST_2008
  • Score: 1

9:44pm Sun 16 Feb 14

saferbymiles says...

Whatever anyone says Judy's portfolio of responsibilities (upholding the views of most working class Poole residents) stands miles above the people who have clearly unfairly dismissed her on the grounds of rather dodgy and somewhat secretive plans.

Residents believed the sites that were proposed were likely to cause unrest, unnecessary expense, and worse still place any visitors in a dreadful place (not least of all the skate park site) that was the view of many residents. Cllr Elaine Atkinson you have done a magnificent job of corrupting the local council democracy. I think you should open up some down to earth dialogue here!

A very rash and embarrassing reaction for a civilized society to say the very least. Judy has been helping residents create so many local jobs, and actually listening to both residents and business over the years. Unbelievable news. Getting the sites you want in the right places with the consultation of someone like Judy would have been a pragmatic approach to council planning.

Is this a democratic or communist council? Can't see that this has done the Conservative local vote much good for the future.
Whatever anyone says Judy's portfolio of responsibilities (upholding the views of most working class Poole residents) stands miles above the people who have clearly unfairly dismissed her on the grounds of rather dodgy and somewhat secretive plans. Residents believed the sites that were proposed were likely to cause unrest, unnecessary expense, and worse still place any visitors in a dreadful place (not least of all the skate park site) that was the view of many residents. Cllr Elaine Atkinson you have done a magnificent job of corrupting the local council democracy. I think you should open up some down to earth dialogue here! A very rash and embarrassing reaction for a civilized society to say the very least. Judy has been helping residents create so many local jobs, and actually listening to both residents and business over the years. Unbelievable news. Getting the sites you want in the right places with the consultation of someone like Judy would have been a pragmatic approach to council planning. Is this a democratic or communist council? Can't see that this has done the Conservative local vote much good for the future. saferbymiles
  • Score: 8

1:11am Wed 19 Feb 14

snowflakes says...

LoulouBlue wrote:
Shame on you, Poole Conservatives
Shame on you ,Council Leader, Cllr Elaine Atkinson,
Judy is a breath of fresh air and everything a Councillor should be she is real, caring, full of empathy and approachable. You see her out and about, that is why her ward voted for her, they voted for Judy the person. I now understand why my Councillor abstained from the vote. This action has cost the conservatives a lot of seats come May, I bet the other parties cannot believe their luck. Why does someone have to be punished for representing the people who voted for her? I for one love Judy and appreciate all that she has done, I wish she was my Councillor, As to Cllr Elaine Atkinson, I think the excuse was pathetic and you have got this so wrong no wonder there is voter apathy. Some Leader !
Elaine Atkinson is a cowardly hypocrite. Can you imagine her shock/horror if the Travellers were set up near her home.I should, however remind her that her shallow treatment of Judy...will re-invent itself, on her own doorstep...It is called Karma.
[quote][p][bold]LoulouBlue[/bold] wrote: Shame on you, Poole Conservatives Shame on you ,Council Leader, Cllr Elaine Atkinson, Judy is a breath of fresh air and everything a Councillor should be she is real, caring, full of empathy and approachable. You see her out and about, that is why her ward voted for her, they voted for Judy the person. I now understand why my Councillor abstained from the vote. This action has cost the conservatives a lot of seats come May, I bet the other parties cannot believe their luck. Why does someone have to be punished for representing the people who voted for her? I for one love Judy and appreciate all that she has done, I wish she was my Councillor, As to Cllr Elaine Atkinson, I think the excuse was pathetic and you have got this so wrong no wonder there is voter apathy. Some Leader ![/p][/quote]Elaine Atkinson is a cowardly hypocrite. Can you imagine her shock/horror if the Travellers were set up near her home.I should, however remind her that her shallow treatment of Judy...will re-invent itself, on her own doorstep...It is called Karma. snowflakes
  • Score: 1

1:26am Wed 19 Feb 14

snowflakes says...

LoulouBlue wrote:
Shame on you, Poole Conservatives
Shame on you ,Council Leader, Cllr Elaine Atkinson,
Judy is a breath of fresh air and everything a Councillor should be she is real, caring, full of empathy and approachable. You see her out and about, that is why her ward voted for her, they voted for Judy the person. I now understand why my Councillor abstained from the vote. This action has cost the conservatives a lot of seats come May, I bet the other parties cannot believe their luck. Why does someone have to be punished for representing the people who voted for her? I for one love Judy and appreciate all that she has done, I wish she was my Councillor, As to Cllr Elaine Atkinson, I think the excuse was pathetic and you have got this so wrong no wonder there is voter apathy. Some Leader !
They will have to get rid of Atkinson, they must be so EMBARASSED by the genuine comments and support given to Judy, and the crushingly belittling given to the shallow Atkinson. She should hang her head in shame.
[quote][p][bold]LoulouBlue[/bold] wrote: Shame on you, Poole Conservatives Shame on you ,Council Leader, Cllr Elaine Atkinson, Judy is a breath of fresh air and everything a Councillor should be she is real, caring, full of empathy and approachable. You see her out and about, that is why her ward voted for her, they voted for Judy the person. I now understand why my Councillor abstained from the vote. This action has cost the conservatives a lot of seats come May, I bet the other parties cannot believe their luck. Why does someone have to be punished for representing the people who voted for her? I for one love Judy and appreciate all that she has done, I wish she was my Councillor, As to Cllr Elaine Atkinson, I think the excuse was pathetic and you have got this so wrong no wonder there is voter apathy. Some Leader ![/p][/quote]They will have to get rid of Atkinson, they must be so EMBARASSED by the genuine comments and support given to Judy, and the crushingly belittling given to the shallow Atkinson. She should hang her head in shame. snowflakes
  • Score: 1

5:53am Wed 19 Feb 14

mimi55 says...

saferbymiles wrote:
Whatever anyone says Judy's portfolio of responsibilities (upholding the views of most working class Poole residents) stands miles above the people who have clearly unfairly dismissed her on the grounds of rather dodgy and somewhat secretive plans.

Residents believed the sites that were proposed were likely to cause unrest, unnecessary expense, and worse still place any visitors in a dreadful place (not least of all the skate park site) that was the view of many residents. Cllr Elaine Atkinson you have done a magnificent job of corrupting the local council democracy. I think you should open up some down to earth dialogue here!

A very rash and embarrassing reaction for a civilized society to say the very least. Judy has been helping residents create so many local jobs, and actually listening to both residents and business over the years. Unbelievable news. Getting the sites you want in the right places with the consultation of someone like Judy would have been a pragmatic approach to council planning.

Is this a democratic or communist council? Can't see that this has done the Conservative local vote much good for the future.
It seems to be based on Stalinist principles - promote the Party faithful,
however useless, and get rid of any dissenters, however good they are at their job (and say you need to cut essential services to save money, whilst
wasting it by the hundred thousands)
[quote][p][bold]saferbymiles[/bold] wrote: Whatever anyone says Judy's portfolio of responsibilities (upholding the views of most working class Poole residents) stands miles above the people who have clearly unfairly dismissed her on the grounds of rather dodgy and somewhat secretive plans. Residents believed the sites that were proposed were likely to cause unrest, unnecessary expense, and worse still place any visitors in a dreadful place (not least of all the skate park site) that was the view of many residents. Cllr Elaine Atkinson you have done a magnificent job of corrupting the local council democracy. I think you should open up some down to earth dialogue here! A very rash and embarrassing reaction for a civilized society to say the very least. Judy has been helping residents create so many local jobs, and actually listening to both residents and business over the years. Unbelievable news. Getting the sites you want in the right places with the consultation of someone like Judy would have been a pragmatic approach to council planning. Is this a democratic or communist council? Can't see that this has done the Conservative local vote much good for the future.[/p][/quote]It seems to be based on Stalinist principles - promote the Party faithful, however useless, and get rid of any dissenters, however good they are at their job (and say you need to cut essential services to save money, whilst wasting it by the hundred thousands) mimi55
  • Score: 1

5:55am Wed 19 Feb 14

mimi55 says...

snowflakes wrote:
LoulouBlue wrote:
Shame on you, Poole Conservatives
Shame on you ,Council Leader, Cllr Elaine Atkinson,
Judy is a breath of fresh air and everything a Councillor should be she is real, caring, full of empathy and approachable. You see her out and about, that is why her ward voted for her, they voted for Judy the person. I now understand why my Councillor abstained from the vote. This action has cost the conservatives a lot of seats come May, I bet the other parties cannot believe their luck. Why does someone have to be punished for representing the people who voted for her? I for one love Judy and appreciate all that she has done, I wish she was my Councillor, As to Cllr Elaine Atkinson, I think the excuse was pathetic and you have got this so wrong no wonder there is voter apathy. Some Leader !
Elaine Atkinson is a cowardly hypocrite. Can you imagine her shock/horror if the Travellers were set up near her home.I should, however remind her that her shallow treatment of Judy...will re-invent itself, on her own doorstep...It is called Karma.
Re elections - remember it is May 2015 - I've got it in my diary to remind
everybody of this debacle
[quote][p][bold]snowflakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoulouBlue[/bold] wrote: Shame on you, Poole Conservatives Shame on you ,Council Leader, Cllr Elaine Atkinson, Judy is a breath of fresh air and everything a Councillor should be she is real, caring, full of empathy and approachable. You see her out and about, that is why her ward voted for her, they voted for Judy the person. I now understand why my Councillor abstained from the vote. This action has cost the conservatives a lot of seats come May, I bet the other parties cannot believe their luck. Why does someone have to be punished for representing the people who voted for her? I for one love Judy and appreciate all that she has done, I wish she was my Councillor, As to Cllr Elaine Atkinson, I think the excuse was pathetic and you have got this so wrong no wonder there is voter apathy. Some Leader ![/p][/quote]Elaine Atkinson is a cowardly hypocrite. Can you imagine her shock/horror if the Travellers were set up near her home.I should, however remind her that her shallow treatment of Judy...will re-invent itself, on her own doorstep...It is called Karma.[/p][/quote]Re elections - remember it is May 2015 - I've got it in my diary to remind everybody of this debacle mimi55
  • Score: 1

4:31pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

daveweb wrote:
Poole council are a disgrace. We are supposed to live in a democratic society, yet when our elected officials standup for their people, they lose their job. The major parties will get a real shock when local independent candidates run for the real people of Poole in the next election and oust these clowns!
An independent is going to have even less change of being able to change anything and the political elite will certainly be rubbing their hands with glee should a bunch of independents get elected.
[quote][p][bold]daveweb[/bold] wrote: Poole council are a disgrace. We are supposed to live in a democratic society, yet when our elected officials standup for their people, they lose their job. The major parties will get a real shock when local independent candidates run for the real people of Poole in the next election and oust these clowns![/p][/quote]An independent is going to have even less change of being able to change anything and the political elite will certainly be rubbing their hands with glee should a bunch of independents get elected. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -1

6:53pm Wed 19 Feb 14

cromwell9 says...

I know a nice front lawn the Travellers can park up on in York rd Broadstone.
I know a nice front lawn the Travellers can park up on in York rd Broadstone. cromwell9
  • Score: 2

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