"It’s in the best interest of Dorset over the medium term” - Crime commissioner defends decision to raise police precept

Bournemouth Echo: UNDER FIRE: PCC Martyn Underhill. UNDER FIRE: PCC Martyn Underhill.

POLICE and Crime Commissioner Martyn Underhill has defended his decision to raise the police precept after criticism.

As reported in Monday’s Daily Echo, members of Dorset’s Crime and Police Panel vented their frustrations after failing to block plans to increase the precept by 1.96 per cent.

Nine members of the panel rejected Mr Underhill’s proposals, while seven supported them.

But under the regulations governing the panel, a veto must be supported by two-thirds of panel members, and so the increase was approved.

Bournemouth Cllr David Smith, a member of the panel, emailed MPs asking them to press for a change in the law following the decision, telling the Echo: “We live in a democratic society and the majority should rule.”

But Mr Underhill has fought back against the critics, and said: “I stand by my decision as I am deeply involved and informed on the issues and I am of the firm belief that it is in the best interest of Dorset over the medium term.

“Importantly, I have been consulting for months on these proposals and 74 per cent of respondents support them.

“That response was an essential element of my consideration. Unfortunately I feel that many of the Panel members yesterday arrived having made their minds up due to external pressures and parochial political influences.”

After the meeting, Mr Underhill was asked questions by the Echo, and decided to make his answers public in a blog on the PCC website.

“I have always said that the Police and Crime Panel should consist of members of the public directly elected to the panel at the same time as the local elections, to hold the PCC to account.

“This would prevent this kind of local party political agenda swaying decisions,” he said.

He said the decision was made democratically, adding: “I was democratically elected to oversee policing and crime in Dorset.

“A key responsibility of this post is to decide on the precept tax level that is in the best interest of residents and Dorset Police over the medium term.

“I am determined to hand over a debt free and efficient police force to my successor. I owe that to Dorset.”

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7:51am Wed 12 Feb 14

EGHH says...

What exactly does a PCC do? Seems they get well paid for very little. I'm. hoping the next government will abolish the role.
What exactly does a PCC do? Seems they get well paid for very little. I'm. hoping the next government will abolish the role. EGHH

8:31am Wed 12 Feb 14

Gordon Cann says...

It is difficult to make sense of all of this in terms of democratic accountability and effective efficiency savings.

The legislation setting up the Police and Crime Commissioner was introduced and approved by Parliament and presumably supported by Coalition MPs including Mr. Ellwood - did he express the concerns he now has with the Home Secretary when the legislation was being debated in the House of Commons?

Given the fact that only 15 percent of the electorate voted and the way the Police Commissione's precept can be passed on a minority vote does he and those other Dorset MPs believe there is much public confidence in the whole matter ?.

In particular did Mr, Ellwood express the concerns that he now has at the time the legislation introducing the Police and Crime Commissioner panel and its undemocratic voting system was being debated in the House of Commons?
It is difficult to make sense of all of this in terms of democratic accountability and effective efficiency savings. The legislation setting up the Police and Crime Commissioner was introduced and approved by Parliament and presumably supported by Coalition MPs including Mr. Ellwood - did he express the concerns he now has with the Home Secretary when the legislation was being debated in the House of Commons? Given the fact that only 15 percent of the electorate voted and the way the Police Commissione's precept can be passed on a minority vote does he and those other Dorset MPs believe there is much public confidence in the whole matter ?. In particular did Mr, Ellwood express the concerns that he now has at the time the legislation introducing the Police and Crime Commissioner panel and its undemocratic voting system was being debated in the House of Commons? Gordon Cann

9:04am Wed 12 Feb 14

losthope says...

I wasn't one of the residents who was consulted over these plans, so could the Echo ask Mr Underhill to explain why he believes it's in our best interests in the medium term, and what that means for the short and long term, because it sounds as if it isn't in our best interests for those.

I've read his blog entry, but it doesn't answer this question and since he's spending some of my money, I'd like to know.
I wasn't one of the residents who was consulted over these plans, so could the Echo ask Mr Underhill to explain why he believes it's in our best interests in the medium term, and what that means for the short and long term, because it sounds as if it isn't in our best interests for those. I've read his blog entry, but it doesn't answer this question and since he's spending some of my money, I'd like to know. losthope

9:05am Wed 12 Feb 14

High Treason says...

The extra funding would be acceptable if the police used a zero tolerance approach and the courts dealt out a substantial punishment. As it is we are paying out and getting poor value for our money. In the Echo today a woman, after 2 court appearances get to pay costs of £55-000. Is that all for using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour to cause harassment, alarm or distress How much did that cost us with police time, CPS, court time etc. This country has gone downhill.
The extra funding would be acceptable if the police used a zero tolerance approach and the courts dealt out a substantial punishment. As it is we are paying out and getting poor value for our money. In the Echo today a woman, after 2 court appearances get to pay costs of £55-000. Is that all for using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour to cause harassment, alarm or distress How much did that cost us with police time, CPS, court time etc. This country has gone downhill. High Treason

9:51am Wed 12 Feb 14

Old Colonial says...

So Underhill is satisfied that he was 'democratically elected'. Well, I'm sure he is relieved the 'system' worked in his favour. How nice to conveniently brush under the carpet the fact that over 85% of the electorate most definitely either did not want him to get the job, or rejected the whole concept of a PCC altogether.

I suppose the money makes it easier to sleep at night.
So Underhill is satisfied that he was 'democratically elected'. Well, I'm sure he is relieved the 'system' worked in his favour. How nice to conveniently brush under the carpet the fact that over 85% of the electorate most definitely either did not want him to get the job, or rejected the whole concept of a PCC altogether. I suppose the money makes it easier to sleep at night. Old Colonial

9:51am Wed 12 Feb 14

politicaltrainspotter says...

I think the words 'Democratically elected is a bit of an understatement with the lowest turn out for an election.

Is there a clue, that he may not stand again as he state ''I am determined to hand over a debt free and efficient police force to my successor. I owe that to Dorset.” No, what you owe to Dorset is a Police force that has sufficent numbers of officers.So the manifesto pledge of keeping politics out of policing was not true.As you are clearing the debt exactly what the politicians are doing.

So rumour has it that Martyn Underhill has started to write his political autobiography.It's called ' Me, Me and Me.'
I think the words 'Democratically elected is a bit of an understatement with the lowest turn out for an election. Is there a clue, that he may not stand again as he state ''I am determined to hand over a debt free and efficient police force to my successor. I owe that to Dorset.” No, what you owe to Dorset is a Police force that has sufficent numbers of officers.So the manifesto pledge of keeping politics out of policing was not true.As you are clearing the debt exactly what the politicians are doing. So rumour has it that Martyn Underhill has started to write his political autobiography.It's called ' Me, Me and Me.' politicaltrainspotter

9:52am Wed 12 Feb 14

Hessenford says...

So what is this increase for, to pay the 50 grand wage bill for the pen pushing post to increase income for the police I suppose.
Martin Underhill says, “I am determined to hand over a debt free and efficient police force to my successor. I owe that to Dorset.” .
Should that be achieved by putting all residents in Dorset into debt to cover for your extortionate and unnecessary salary.
If this vote were to go out to every member of the public I would suspect the answer would have been a resounding NO.
I would gladly pay extra if the money went on proper policing instead of sky high pay packets for the likes of Underhill, his jobs for the boys and also yet more cardboard cut out policemen.
Increase income by all means but in the way the rest of us have had to do in the last few years, by cutting down on unnecessary luxuries starting with your salary Mr Underhill.
So what is this increase for, to pay the 50 grand wage bill for the pen pushing post to increase income for the police I suppose. Martin Underhill says, “I am determined to hand over a debt free and efficient police force to my successor. I owe that to Dorset.” . Should that be achieved by putting all residents in Dorset into debt to cover for your extortionate and unnecessary salary. If this vote were to go out to every member of the public I would suspect the answer would have been a resounding NO. I would gladly pay extra if the money went on proper policing instead of sky high pay packets for the likes of Underhill, his jobs for the boys and also yet more cardboard cut out policemen. Increase income by all means but in the way the rest of us have had to do in the last few years, by cutting down on unnecessary luxuries starting with your salary Mr Underhill. Hessenford

10:06am Wed 12 Feb 14

speedy231278 says...

Perhaps if we weren't saddled with a PCC and his cronies, the elections for whom there was a minority turnout clearly indicating the majority didn't even want one, then they wouldn't need to raise extra money?
Perhaps if we weren't saddled with a PCC and his cronies, the elections for whom there was a minority turnout clearly indicating the majority didn't even want one, then they wouldn't need to raise extra money? speedy231278

10:28am Wed 12 Feb 14

Hessenford says...

EGHH wrote:
What exactly does a PCC do? Seems they get well paid for very little. I'm. hoping the next government will abolish the role.
It seems their sole purpose is to screw us for more money.
[quote][p][bold]EGHH[/bold] wrote: What exactly does a PCC do? Seems they get well paid for very little. I'm. hoping the next government will abolish the role.[/p][/quote]It seems their sole purpose is to screw us for more money. Hessenford

11:00am Wed 12 Feb 14

Tictock says...

I'll give Mr PCC his due, he is the master of speaking and saying nothing! Must have been in PR or got a good PR team!


Waste of rations man, get out and leave the CC to do the job of running the police.
I'll give Mr PCC his due, he is the master of speaking and saying nothing! Must have been in PR or got a good PR team! Waste of rations man, get out and leave the CC to do the job of running the police. Tictock

11:26am Wed 12 Feb 14

muscliffman says...

The democratically indefensible should not be defended. The promoter and defender of this Police precept rise was not voted into office by over 80% of the Dorset electorate - and the precept rise idea itself was then specifically rejected by over 55% of the votes from the Dorset Police Panel. So this is NOT democracy at work.

It must be clear even to the PCC that most Dorset residents do not approve of this precept rise and yet it is clearly intended to forcibly impose it upon us against our will. Let's us hope - indeed insist - that next time we vote for the Dorset PCC position we have an added option to tick 'no PCC at all' on the ballot paper. I am happy to predict the overwhelming result!
The democratically indefensible should not be defended. The promoter and defender of this Police precept rise was not voted into office by over 80% of the Dorset electorate - and the precept rise idea itself was then specifically rejected by over 55% of the votes from the Dorset Police Panel. So this is NOT democracy at work. It must be clear even to the PCC that most Dorset residents do not approve of this precept rise and yet it is clearly intended to forcibly impose it upon us against our will. Let's us hope - indeed insist - that next time we vote for the Dorset PCC position we have an added option to tick 'no PCC at all' on the ballot paper. I am happy to predict the overwhelming result! muscliffman

11:40am Wed 12 Feb 14

speedy231278 says...

muscliffman wrote:
The democratically indefensible should not be defended. The promoter and defender of this Police precept rise was not voted into office by over 80% of the Dorset electorate - and the precept rise idea itself was then specifically rejected by over 55% of the votes from the Dorset Police Panel. So this is NOT democracy at work.

It must be clear even to the PCC that most Dorset residents do not approve of this precept rise and yet it is clearly intended to forcibly impose it upon us against our will. Let's us hope - indeed insist - that next time we vote for the Dorset PCC position we have an added option to tick 'no PCC at all' on the ballot paper. I am happy to predict the overwhelming result!
Which is precisely why such an option was not given!
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: The democratically indefensible should not be defended. The promoter and defender of this Police precept rise was not voted into office by over 80% of the Dorset electorate - and the precept rise idea itself was then specifically rejected by over 55% of the votes from the Dorset Police Panel. So this is NOT democracy at work. It must be clear even to the PCC that most Dorset residents do not approve of this precept rise and yet it is clearly intended to forcibly impose it upon us against our will. Let's us hope - indeed insist - that next time we vote for the Dorset PCC position we have an added option to tick 'no PCC at all' on the ballot paper. I am happy to predict the overwhelming result![/p][/quote]Which is precisely why such an option was not given! speedy231278

12:10pm Wed 12 Feb 14

HDI says...

The only public consultation about the precept rise I was aware of was on the Dorset PCC website. By their nature, responses to such exercises are very self-selecting and in no way meet the criteria for a statistically balanced result.

The level of publicity the consultation received can be gauged from the number of responses; only 497 people, which is slightly over 0.1% of Dorset's population. 14% of them wanted a rise of more than the proposed 1.95%, 54% supported the proposal, 9% wanted a smaller rise and 24% wanted a reduction. If that's the democratic decision our PCC claims as justification for him ignoring the Panel vote it's a travesty.

The consultation results can be viewed at http://www.dorset.pc
c.police.uk/Plans-an
d-priorities/Budget-
and-Finance/Precept-
Proposal-2014-15/Pre
cept-Consultation-20
14-15.aspx
The only public consultation about the precept rise I was aware of was on the Dorset PCC website. By their nature, responses to such exercises are very self-selecting and in no way meet the criteria for a statistically balanced result. The level of publicity the consultation received can be gauged from the number of responses; only 497 people, which is slightly over 0.1% of Dorset's population. 14% of them wanted a rise of more than the proposed 1.95%, 54% supported the proposal, 9% wanted a smaller rise and 24% wanted a reduction. If that's the democratic decision our PCC claims as justification for him ignoring the Panel vote it's a travesty. The consultation results can be viewed at http://www.dorset.pc c.police.uk/Plans-an d-priorities/Budget- and-Finance/Precept- Proposal-2014-15/Pre cept-Consultation-20 14-15.aspx HDI

2:16pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Gordon Cann says...

i repeat -get every MP in the Echo readership area to indicate if they share the views of those who believe that it is profoundly undemocratic for the Dorset Police and Crime Panel to decline to approve a Police Commissioner precept and then find it will be made law anyway, and then ask what they said when the legislation was going through Parliament,

Dont just complain in the Echo -challenge your MP and also ask the Leaders of local Councils Conservative in Bournemouth and Poole if they belong to the same Conservative Party as their local MP, and as for Mr. Underhill's' 74 per cent of respondents agreeing with him- 74 per cent of how many and what was the precise question asked /
i repeat -get every MP in the Echo readership area to indicate if they share the views of those who believe that it is profoundly undemocratic for the Dorset Police and Crime Panel to decline to approve a Police Commissioner precept and then find it will be made law anyway, and then ask what they said when the legislation was going through Parliament, Dont just complain in the Echo -challenge your MP and also ask the Leaders of local Councils Conservative in Bournemouth and Poole if they belong to the same Conservative Party as their local MP, and as for Mr. Underhill's' 74 per cent of respondents agreeing with him- 74 per cent of how many and what was the precise question asked / Gordon Cann

2:34pm Wed 12 Feb 14

sea poole says...

losthope _ I guess you're not a member of the Underhill family, so not to be consulted!
losthope _ I guess you're not a member of the Underhill family, so not to be consulted! sea poole

4:39pm Wed 12 Feb 14

roguetrader666 says...

With the number of police personnel I saw spending more than 4 hours at the recent incident involving a cyclist and a car at Branksome on Monday, I resent having more of my council tax squandered on this inefficient lot. For those bleating about 'what if it was a relative of yours' I say I would still not expect more than 30 minutes on it. It was a broken arm! Surely there must be hundreds of similar accidents every month.
With the number of police personnel I saw spending more than 4 hours at the recent incident involving a cyclist and a car at Branksome on Monday, I resent having more of my council tax squandered on this inefficient lot. For those bleating about 'what if it was a relative of yours' I say I would still not expect more than 30 minutes on it. It was a broken arm! Surely there must be hundreds of similar accidents every month. roguetrader666

5:01pm Wed 12 Feb 14

hadvar says...

To paraphrase a certain Mr O. Cromwell, when he was chatting to the Rump Parliament... 'You have sat here too long for the good you have done. Depart, and let us have done with you. In the name of god, go".

You are a waste of valuable carbon atoms Mr Underhill.
To paraphrase a certain Mr O. Cromwell, when he was chatting to the Rump Parliament... 'You have sat here too long for the good you have done. Depart, and let us have done with you. In the name of god, go". You are a waste of valuable carbon atoms Mr Underhill. hadvar

5:08pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Bob49 says...

What's a precept ?
What's a precept ? Bob49

5:48pm Wed 12 Feb 14

muscliffman says...

Bob49 wrote:
What's a precept ?
It's a commandment, requirement or statute, on this occasion apparently in the form of an instruction from a pretty unpopular, mostly unelected, expensive and evidently very unwanted Police and Crime Commissioner requiring that all Dorset taxpayers pay more money to Dorset Police - despite in this instance the Dorset Police and Crime panel democratically rejecting that same instruction during due process on behalf of those very same taxpayers.

You are welcome - but please try 'Google' next time!
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: What's a precept ?[/p][/quote]It's a commandment, requirement or statute, on this occasion apparently in the form of an instruction from a pretty unpopular, mostly unelected, expensive and evidently very unwanted Police and Crime Commissioner requiring that all Dorset taxpayers pay more money to Dorset Police - despite in this instance the Dorset Police and Crime panel democratically rejecting that same instruction during due process on behalf of those very same taxpayers. You are welcome - but please try 'Google' next time! muscliffman

6:01pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Old Colonial says...

HDI wrote:
The only public consultation about the precept rise I was aware of was on the Dorset PCC website. By their nature, responses to such exercises are very self-selecting and in no way meet the criteria for a statistically balanced result.

The level of publicity the consultation received can be gauged from the number of responses; only 497 people, which is slightly over 0.1% of Dorset's population. 14% of them wanted a rise of more than the proposed 1.95%, 54% supported the proposal, 9% wanted a smaller rise and 24% wanted a reduction. If that's the democratic decision our PCC claims as justification for him ignoring the Panel vote it's a travesty.

The consultation results can be viewed at http://www.dorset.pc

c.police.uk/Plans-an

d-priorities/Budget-

and-Finance/Precept-

Proposal-2014-15/Pre

cept-Consultation-20

14-15.aspx
A bit like holding public 'consultations' during working hours so that the vast majority can't turn up.
[quote][p][bold]HDI[/bold] wrote: The only public consultation about the precept rise I was aware of was on the Dorset PCC website. By their nature, responses to such exercises are very self-selecting and in no way meet the criteria for a statistically balanced result. The level of publicity the consultation received can be gauged from the number of responses; only 497 people, which is slightly over 0.1% of Dorset's population. 14% of them wanted a rise of more than the proposed 1.95%, 54% supported the proposal, 9% wanted a smaller rise and 24% wanted a reduction. If that's the democratic decision our PCC claims as justification for him ignoring the Panel vote it's a travesty. The consultation results can be viewed at http://www.dorset.pc c.police.uk/Plans-an d-priorities/Budget- and-Finance/Precept- Proposal-2014-15/Pre cept-Consultation-20 14-15.aspx[/p][/quote]A bit like holding public 'consultations' during working hours so that the vast majority can't turn up. Old Colonial

6:13pm Wed 12 Feb 14

shaft says...

muscliffman wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
What's a precept ?
It's a commandment, requirement or statute, on this occasion apparently in the form of an instruction from a pretty unpopular, mostly unelected, expensive and evidently very unwanted Police and Crime Commissioner requiring that all Dorset taxpayers pay more money to Dorset Police - despite in this instance the Dorset Police and Crime panel democratically rejecting that same instruction during due process on behalf of those very same taxpayers.

You are welcome - but please try 'Google' next time!
What's google?
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: What's a precept ?[/p][/quote]It's a commandment, requirement or statute, on this occasion apparently in the form of an instruction from a pretty unpopular, mostly unelected, expensive and evidently very unwanted Police and Crime Commissioner requiring that all Dorset taxpayers pay more money to Dorset Police - despite in this instance the Dorset Police and Crime panel democratically rejecting that same instruction during due process on behalf of those very same taxpayers. You are welcome - but please try 'Google' next time![/p][/quote]What's google? shaft

6:29pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Bob49 says...

muscliffman wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
What's a precept ?
It's a commandment, requirement or statute, on this occasion apparently in the form of an instruction from a pretty unpopular, mostly unelected, expensive and evidently very unwanted Police and Crime Commissioner requiring that all Dorset taxpayers pay more money to Dorset Police - despite in this instance the Dorset Police and Crime panel democratically rejecting that same instruction during due process on behalf of those very same taxpayers.

You are welcome - but please try 'Google' next time!
thank you (not sarcastically either)

however it was meant tongue in cheek
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: What's a precept ?[/p][/quote]It's a commandment, requirement or statute, on this occasion apparently in the form of an instruction from a pretty unpopular, mostly unelected, expensive and evidently very unwanted Police and Crime Commissioner requiring that all Dorset taxpayers pay more money to Dorset Police - despite in this instance the Dorset Police and Crime panel democratically rejecting that same instruction during due process on behalf of those very same taxpayers. You are welcome - but please try 'Google' next time![/p][/quote]thank you (not sarcastically either) however it was meant tongue in cheek Bob49

6:29pm Wed 12 Feb 14

dustbindanny says...

What a waste of space this man is, can anybody, with hand on heart say that he has been a benefit to the county of Dorset? How silent he was in 2013 with all the travellers parking wherever they wanted, and us tax payers having to
pay to look after them all ( cleaning up, court cases etc) . How about him , cutting his own salary to pay for this? As I have said before we Tax payers are MUG,S. Democracy , don't believe it!
What a waste of space this man is, can anybody, with hand on heart say that he has been a benefit to the county of Dorset? How silent he was in 2013 with all the travellers parking wherever they wanted, and us tax payers having to pay to look after them all ( cleaning up, court cases etc) . How about him , cutting his own salary to pay for this? As I have said before we Tax payers are MUG,S. Democracy , don't believe it! dustbindanny

6:37pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Avengerboy says...

Why Labour have dropped as a priority the scrapping of the waste that is the PCC is beyond me, a certain vote winner.
Why Labour have dropped as a priority the scrapping of the waste that is the PCC is beyond me, a certain vote winner. Avengerboy

6:42pm Wed 12 Feb 14

O'Reilly says...

Bob49 wrote:
What's a precept ?
I believe it was something handed down to Moses..........
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: What's a precept ?[/p][/quote]I believe it was something handed down to Moses.......... O'Reilly

6:43pm Wed 12 Feb 14

muscliffman says...

Bob49 wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
What's a precept ?
It's a commandment, requirement or statute, on this occasion apparently in the form of an instruction from a pretty unpopular, mostly unelected, expensive and evidently very unwanted Police and Crime Commissioner requiring that all Dorset taxpayers pay more money to Dorset Police - despite in this instance the Dorset Police and Crime panel democratically rejecting that same instruction during due process on behalf of those very same taxpayers.

You are welcome - but please try 'Google' next time!
thank you (not sarcastically either)

however it was meant tongue in cheek
To be honest I was also unsure until I looked it up!
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: What's a precept ?[/p][/quote]It's a commandment, requirement or statute, on this occasion apparently in the form of an instruction from a pretty unpopular, mostly unelected, expensive and evidently very unwanted Police and Crime Commissioner requiring that all Dorset taxpayers pay more money to Dorset Police - despite in this instance the Dorset Police and Crime panel democratically rejecting that same instruction during due process on behalf of those very same taxpayers. You are welcome - but please try 'Google' next time![/p][/quote]thank you (not sarcastically either) however it was meant tongue in cheek[/p][/quote]To be honest I was also unsure until I looked it up! muscliffman

8:15pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Tictock says...

You still here? Underhill? Go for God's sake man - not wanted or agreed for by a majority. And take your fellow travellers with you and let current police Chief Constable do her job! and close the door on the way out!
You still here? Underhill? Go for God's sake man - not wanted or agreed for by a majority. And take your fellow travellers with you and let current police Chief Constable do her job! and close the door on the way out! Tictock

8:24pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Bob49 says...

"And take your fellow travellers with you..........."

if only
"And take your fellow travellers with you..........." if only Bob49

8:34pm Wed 12 Feb 14

fireflier says...

"I am of the firm belief that it is in the best interest of."............. I know how my finances are stretched .....how does our PCC chappie think we just 'magic up' some more money for his collecting tin?

Could be in my best interest to get rid of this high-cost political PCC position dreamed up by this government.

Savings could go to fund the Police !!!!!!
"I am of the firm belief that it is in the best interest of."............. I know how my finances are stretched .....how does our PCC chappie think we just 'magic up' some more money for his collecting tin? Could be in my best interest to get rid of this high-cost political PCC position dreamed up by this government. Savings could go to fund the Police !!!!!! fireflier

1:37am Thu 13 Feb 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

EGHH wrote:
What exactly does a PCC do? Seems they get well paid for very little. I'm. hoping the next government will abolish the role.
Hopefully!
.
It does seem day after day that it's a new politician position to reclassify crime and fudge spreadsheets.
.
Where does the Echo stand?
[quote][p][bold]EGHH[/bold] wrote: What exactly does a PCC do? Seems they get well paid for very little. I'm. hoping the next government will abolish the role.[/p][/quote]Hopefully! . It does seem day after day that it's a new politician position to reclassify crime and fudge spreadsheets. . Where does the Echo stand? HRH of Boscombe

8:38am Thu 13 Feb 14

RM says...

Last year Poole Council froze their share of Council Tax. Mr Underhill wanted to increase the police precept, including a pay rise of £10K for the new Chief Constable. This was done. This year I believe Poole Council will freeze their share of Council Tax again. Once again Mr Underhill wants a rise in the police precept. And gets it by a minority vote. Democracy? Fairness? Meanwhile we, the people who are being blagged for this extra money are having to tighten our belts & doing without to try & balance our household budgets.May I suggest that Mr Underhill does the same.
Last year Poole Council froze their share of Council Tax. Mr Underhill wanted to increase the police precept, including a pay rise of £10K for the new Chief Constable. This was done. This year I believe Poole Council will freeze their share of Council Tax again. Once again Mr Underhill wants a rise in the police precept. And gets it by a minority vote. Democracy? Fairness? Meanwhile we, the people who are being blagged for this extra money are having to tighten our belts & doing without to try & balance our household budgets.May I suggest that Mr Underhill does the same. RM

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