Social drinkers have "nothing to fear" says council as alcohol crackdown is given green light

POLICE POWERS: Social drinkers will not be affected

POLICE POWERS: Social drinkers will not be affected

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SOCIAL drinkers have “nothing to fear” from a decision to give police more powers to deal with alcohol-related bad behaviour, it has been claimed.

The entire borough of Bournemouth is to be covered with a Designated Public Places Order (DPPO), which will enable police to confiscate alcohol from anyone drinking in public and causing a nuisance.

The council’s cabinet gave the plans – which were first reported in the Daily Echo last week – the green light.

Cllr David Smith, cabinet member for planning and environment, said replacing the current separate DPPOs that covered the town centre, Boscombe and Charminster with one for the whole borough would help them tackle problems, rather than displace them.

“This is an initiative that the town wants,” he said.

“People who want to have an innocent drink, a bottle of wine in the gardens or on the beach – it won’t affect them in any way providing they’re not causing any antisocial behaviour.

“Ordinary people have nothing to fear about this.”

He said public consultation revealed 85 per cent supported a borough-wide order, as did 96 per cent of the licensed premises who replied.

Cllr Anne Filer said she had seen first-hand the problems of displacement, with drinkers being moved from Boscombe now causing problems on the clifftop.

“The civil liberties of the people running businesses and living there are just as important as the civil liberties of the people who want to drink irresponsibly,” she said.

“The police can’t do anything at the moment with people who are carousing and causing havoc and yelling out at passers-by. They have to have this power in order to be able to use it. This will be an enormous tool for the police when they want to use it. I can’t see any negative to this whatsoever.”

Cllr Lawrence Williams questioned whether the police had enough resources to enforce a borough-wide DPPO and Cllr Jane Kelly said the people they were talking about needed help rather than just being moved on.

But both supported the move, meaning it received unanimous backing from the cabinet.

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9:36am Sat 1 Feb 14

kayackie says...

Why do police need more powers! Madness if you are boozing and causing trouble the coppers should be able to nick u! If you are playing up sober the old bill don't need powers to nick you they just will!
Why do police need more powers! Madness if you are boozing and causing trouble the coppers should be able to nick u! If you are playing up sober the old bill don't need powers to nick you they just will! kayackie
  • Score: 1

10:15am Sat 1 Feb 14

rayc says...

“Ordinary people have nothing to fear about this.” " if you do nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about". It all starts of like that but history as shown otherwise.
“Ordinary people have nothing to fear about this.” " if you do nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about". It all starts of like that but history as shown otherwise. rayc
  • Score: 5

10:55am Sat 1 Feb 14

muscliffman says...

The legal structure to deal with this problem has always been in place. This empty 'initiative' is more about PR headline grabbing by the usual Councillor culprits than anything new or really worthwhile.
The legal structure to deal with this problem has always been in place. This empty 'initiative' is more about PR headline grabbing by the usual Councillor culprits than anything new or really worthwhile. muscliffman
  • Score: 2

11:35am Sat 1 Feb 14

Ziggy starburst says...

"Social drinkers have nothing to fear"

Neither do unsocial drinkers, as schemes like this don't work without the police to back it up which they don't. The police don't want the hassle of arguing with a drunk with the possibility of a £50 fine paid in 200 installments. I've said it before but this is another council scam to pat themselves on the back for dealing with anti social behaviour created by them granting alcohol licences to anyone who applies for one. Stick up a few signs for the plebs to show we care. We're not that stupid. Are we? They will be voted in again, and again, and again.
"Social drinkers have nothing to fear" Neither do unsocial drinkers, as schemes like this don't work without the police to back it up which they don't. The police don't want the hassle of arguing with a drunk with the possibility of a £50 fine paid in 200 installments. I've said it before but this is another council scam to pat themselves on the back for dealing with anti social behaviour created by them granting alcohol licences to anyone who applies for one. Stick up a few signs for the plebs to show we care. We're not that stupid. Are we? They will be voted in again, and again, and again. Ziggy starburst
  • Score: 6

12:31pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Kevin_123 says...

Let's be honest if you move people on they will just either go elsewhere or return later... Let them drink under the Boscombe pier?
Let's be honest if you move people on they will just either go elsewhere or return later... Let them drink under the Boscombe pier? Kevin_123
  • Score: -2

12:50pm Sat 1 Feb 14

BIGTONE says...

Can't wait for all the foreign students to pitch up on the beach in the summer for BBQ's.
Let's see how many get nicked.
Can't wait for all the foreign students to pitch up on the beach in the summer for BBQ's. Let's see how many get nicked. BIGTONE
  • Score: 0

12:55pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Turtlebay says...

More power given to Police. It's not long before it becomes a Police state, like Germany was under Hitler.
More power given to Police. It's not long before it becomes a Police state, like Germany was under Hitler. Turtlebay
  • Score: 1

1:04pm Sat 1 Feb 14

live-and-let-live says...

dont try to watch the morris dancers at Wimborne folk festival with any sort of drink in your hand. you will be questioned by a plastic cop.
dont try to watch the morris dancers at Wimborne folk festival with any sort of drink in your hand. you will be questioned by a plastic cop. live-and-let-live
  • Score: 0

4:15pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Tig says...

Great if this works. However, I find it hard to believe 'innocent' people won't be targeted too.
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Two or three years ago, as a 40 something-year old who'd just been out for lunch with a friend, we were walking through the Gardens carrying the remains of our lunchtime bottle of wine (cap on it). Two PCSOs came up and told us they'd have to confiscate the wine as we weren't allowed to be drinking in a public place (we weren't!). They were quite nice about it, but said that we were setting a bad example to others if they allowed us to have our alcohol on show. They wanted us to put it in a bag, or somehow hide it.
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Can we be assured that this won't still happen? All we wanted to do was take out half drunk bottle home with us for the evening, but why should we have to hide it? I really can't believe, either, that if we'd sat down and drunk it they wouldn't have taken it away from us.
Great if this works. However, I find it hard to believe 'innocent' people won't be targeted too. . Two or three years ago, as a 40 something-year old who'd just been out for lunch with a friend, we were walking through the Gardens carrying the remains of our lunchtime bottle of wine (cap on it). Two PCSOs came up and told us they'd have to confiscate the wine as we weren't allowed to be drinking in a public place (we weren't!). They were quite nice about it, but said that we were setting a bad example to others if they allowed us to have our alcohol on show. They wanted us to put it in a bag, or somehow hide it. . Can we be assured that this won't still happen? All we wanted to do was take out half drunk bottle home with us for the evening, but why should we have to hide it? I really can't believe, either, that if we'd sat down and drunk it they wouldn't have taken it away from us. Tig
  • Score: 4

5:47pm Sat 1 Feb 14

stevobath says...

So if you're drinking a bottle of posh wine chances are you'll be left alone.
Be found with a can of 'Special Brew', even if you're not causing bother you will be marked out.
This already happens in Bath where I live.
Unfortunately there's a perception of what a person is like when it comes to drinking.
Let's not forget, our great war time leader was a drunk & 'Special Brew' was made specifically for him by Carlsberg after he complained about how weak beer was!

I find the use of the phrase 'Ordinary people' insulting too.
Who defines what or whom is 'ordinary'?

A pointless bit of PR by an awful Council.
Anyway, surely if you're drinking in an area where it's illegal to, it shouldn't matter if you're a 'social' drinker or not. It's illegal & anyone found drinking should be treated the same.
So if you're drinking a bottle of posh wine chances are you'll be left alone. Be found with a can of 'Special Brew', even if you're not causing bother you will be marked out. This already happens in Bath where I live. Unfortunately there's a perception of what a person is like when it comes to drinking. Let's not forget, our great war time leader was a drunk & 'Special Brew' was made specifically for him by Carlsberg after he complained about how weak beer was! I find the use of the phrase 'Ordinary people' insulting too. Who defines what or whom is 'ordinary'? A pointless bit of PR by an awful Council. Anyway, surely if you're drinking in an area where it's illegal to, it shouldn't matter if you're a 'social' drinker or not. It's illegal & anyone found drinking should be treated the same. stevobath
  • Score: -2

11:01pm Sat 1 Feb 14

O'Reilly says...

You will be taken to an ATM and relieved of 50 squids.....(copywrit
e Tony Blair).
You will be taken to an ATM and relieved of 50 squids.....(copywrit e Tony Blair). O'Reilly
  • Score: 0

9:52pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Bournefre says...

“The police can’t do anything at the moment with people who are carousing and causing havoc and yelling out at passers-by."
Drunk and disorderly? Causing a breach of the peace? Section 5 of the public order act? None of those?

I think we can all see what will happen here - there will be a 'no excuses' 'zero tolerance' clampdown where 'social drinkers' are targeted and the profligate offenders slip through the net because they are the most difficult to deal with.
The police move troublemakers from Boscombe to the clifftops to harass the holidaymakers; now they want new laws to start swiping picnics from holidaymakers.
“The police can’t do anything at the moment with people who are carousing and causing havoc and yelling out at passers-by." Drunk and disorderly? Causing a breach of the peace? Section 5 of the public order act? None of those? I think we can all see what will happen here - there will be a 'no excuses' 'zero tolerance' clampdown where 'social drinkers' are targeted and the profligate offenders slip through the net because they are the most difficult to deal with. The police move troublemakers from Boscombe to the clifftops to harass the holidaymakers; now they want new laws to start swiping picnics from holidaymakers. Bournefre
  • Score: 0

7:09am Mon 3 Feb 14

Phixer says...

BIGTONE wrote:
Can't wait for all the foreign students to pitch up on the beach in the summer for BBQ's.
Let's see how many get nicked.
There is nothing 'anti-social' about that, and it is not necessarily breaking any law.
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Can't wait for all the foreign students to pitch up on the beach in the summer for BBQ's. Let's see how many get nicked.[/p][/quote]There is nothing 'anti-social' about that, and it is not necessarily breaking any law. Phixer
  • Score: 0

7:12am Mon 3 Feb 14

Phixer says...

live-and-let-live wrote:
dont try to watch the morris dancers at Wimborne folk festival with any sort of drink in your hand. you will be questioned by a plastic cop.
There are separate orders for not drinking alcohol in certain public places. Read the above and you will note that this article refers to anti-social behaviour.
[quote][p][bold]live-and-let-live[/bold] wrote: dont try to watch the morris dancers at Wimborne folk festival with any sort of drink in your hand. you will be questioned by a plastic cop.[/p][/quote]There are separate orders for not drinking alcohol in certain public places. Read the above and you will note that this article refers to anti-social behaviour. Phixer
  • Score: 0

7:15am Mon 3 Feb 14

Phixer says...

Tig wrote:
Great if this works. However, I find it hard to believe 'innocent' people won't be targeted too.
.
Two or three years ago, as a 40 something-year old who'd just been out for lunch with a friend, we were walking through the Gardens carrying the remains of our lunchtime bottle of wine (cap on it). Two PCSOs came up and told us they'd have to confiscate the wine as we weren't allowed to be drinking in a public place (we weren't!). They were quite nice about it, but said that we were setting a bad example to others if they allowed us to have our alcohol on show. They wanted us to put it in a bag, or somehow hide it.
.
Can we be assured that this won't still happen? All we wanted to do was take out half drunk bottle home with us for the evening, but why should we have to hide it? I really can't believe, either, that if we'd sat down and drunk it they wouldn't have taken it away from us.
It has long been against the law in the US to have alcohol in a vehicle which could be accessed by the driver. It has to be placed/hidden elsewhere. Nothing new about the idea of hiding your alcoholic bottles.
[quote][p][bold]Tig[/bold] wrote: Great if this works. However, I find it hard to believe 'innocent' people won't be targeted too. . Two or three years ago, as a 40 something-year old who'd just been out for lunch with a friend, we were walking through the Gardens carrying the remains of our lunchtime bottle of wine (cap on it). Two PCSOs came up and told us they'd have to confiscate the wine as we weren't allowed to be drinking in a public place (we weren't!). They were quite nice about it, but said that we were setting a bad example to others if they allowed us to have our alcohol on show. They wanted us to put it in a bag, or somehow hide it. . Can we be assured that this won't still happen? All we wanted to do was take out half drunk bottle home with us for the evening, but why should we have to hide it? I really can't believe, either, that if we'd sat down and drunk it they wouldn't have taken it away from us.[/p][/quote]It has long been against the law in the US to have alcohol in a vehicle which could be accessed by the driver. It has to be placed/hidden elsewhere. Nothing new about the idea of hiding your alcoholic bottles. Phixer
  • Score: 0

1:42pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Tig says...

Phixer wrote:
Tig wrote:
Great if this works. However, I find it hard to believe 'innocent' people won't be targeted too.
.
Two or three years ago, as a 40 something-year old who'd just been out for lunch with a friend, we were walking through the Gardens carrying the remains of our lunchtime bottle of wine (cap on it). Two PCSOs came up and told us they'd have to confiscate the wine as we weren't allowed to be drinking in a public place (we weren't!). They were quite nice about it, but said that we were setting a bad example to others if they allowed us to have our alcohol on show. They wanted us to put it in a bag, or somehow hide it.
.
Can we be assured that this won't still happen? All we wanted to do was take out half drunk bottle home with us for the evening, but why should we have to hide it? I really can't believe, either, that if we'd sat down and drunk it they wouldn't have taken it away from us.
It has long been against the law in the US to have alcohol in a vehicle which could be accessed by the driver. It has to be placed/hidden elsewhere. Nothing new about the idea of hiding your alcoholic bottles.
But not if you're walking!
[quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tig[/bold] wrote: Great if this works. However, I find it hard to believe 'innocent' people won't be targeted too. . Two or three years ago, as a 40 something-year old who'd just been out for lunch with a friend, we were walking through the Gardens carrying the remains of our lunchtime bottle of wine (cap on it). Two PCSOs came up and told us they'd have to confiscate the wine as we weren't allowed to be drinking in a public place (we weren't!). They were quite nice about it, but said that we were setting a bad example to others if they allowed us to have our alcohol on show. They wanted us to put it in a bag, or somehow hide it. . Can we be assured that this won't still happen? All we wanted to do was take out half drunk bottle home with us for the evening, but why should we have to hide it? I really can't believe, either, that if we'd sat down and drunk it they wouldn't have taken it away from us.[/p][/quote]It has long been against the law in the US to have alcohol in a vehicle which could be accessed by the driver. It has to be placed/hidden elsewhere. Nothing new about the idea of hiding your alcoholic bottles.[/p][/quote]But not if you're walking! Tig
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