'They've let us down' - residents' anger over Poole council's decision to back transit site plans

Bournemouth Echo: 'They've let us down' - residents' anger over Poole council's decision to back transit site plans 'They've let us down' - residents' anger over Poole council's decision to back transit site plans

Creekmoor residents reacted with fury following Borough of Poole’s ruling to back plans for two temporary stopping sites for gypsies and travellers.

Many of them live in close proximity to where the main 27-pitch Marshes End site will be located, and are worried about possible increases in anti-social behaviour and tensions in the area.

The council voted in favour of a motion to prepare and submit planning applications for the Marshes End site, and a smaller four-pitch temporary stopping site on land off Broadstone Way.

Residents of Creekmoor’s Hazelbury Close said they felt let down by the decision and that their voices had not been heard on the issue.

Carol Snelling, aged 66, who attended Monday evening’s tense Civic Centre meeting, said: “It’s disgusting. I feel that it was all signed and stamped before we knew anything about it.

“If it does go ahead, the land is full of asbestos and they wouldn’t allow anyone to build on it. Also, how long are they going to stay there for?”

Meanwhile, neighbours Jim, aged 77, and 68-year-old Win Harris, who have lived in the area for the past six years, told the Daily Echo of their “disappointment” the site would be going ahead.

Win added: “The council are cutting the bus services, yet they can afford to do this and we weren’t consulted like they said. With the contamination, should they be putting anything on that land, travellers or not?”

Thirty-year Hazelbury Road resident Syd Tongs echoed sentiments that locals had not been fully consulted on the issue.

The 66-year-old said: “The first we knew about this was last week when Cllr Judy Butt’s meeting held in Creekmoor. It seems that the councillors didn’t have a clue, I think they just voted for it because it is not going to be in their ward.”

Neighbour Christopher Gregory, 60, said it seemed as though some councillors had made up their minds before putting it to residents.

He said: “I got a leaflet through last week to say that there was an ‘urgent meeting tonight’, which I couldn’t attend. In the past, however, my experiences with travellers have always been bad.”

Applications being prepared for temporary stopping sites

Following Poole Council’s contentious decision to forge ahead with two temporary stopping places for travellers, planning applications are now being prepared.

Borough of Poole intends to submit applications as soon as possible for a site at Marshes End, Creekmoor for 27 pitches and on land in Broadstone Way north of the B&Q car park, for four pitches.

March is likely to be the first chance to go before the planning committee and if approved, the council would aim to get the sites ready for Easter, which is towards the end of April.

Poole Mayor, Cllr Phil Eades, who chaired the highly charged council meeting said: “We are elected to make what are sometimes very difficult decisions on behalf of the whole borough.

“This site isn’t perfect, it’s a lot better than having travellers in places where there were recreation grounds, all summer,” he said.

He added: “A lot of the concerns residents raised are planning considerations. The only decision last night (Monday) was to make a planning application. They will get the chance to oppose them, to make their representations to the council on these planning applications.”

These sites would be used for a temporary period between Easter and September 1. They would provide basic facilities and the police would be able to use their powers to move unauthorised encampments to them.

Travellers' sites will “undoubtedly” affect house prices, claims estate agent

Building a travellers’ site at either Marshes End or Broadstone Way will “undoubtedly” affect house prices, an estate agent has claimed.

Paul Buxton, owner of Adams and Rose estate agents, warned residents properties would command lower prices and take longer to sell.

He said: “People will still buy but it will reflect on the prices and how long it takes to sell.

“Once the site’s been there and it’s possibly proven over a couple of years that there are no issues that might change but initially yes, prices will drop.”

He likened the situation to plans to build a detention centre in Branksome several years ago, which were hugely controversial with residents. And he said he had also lost a buyer when there was a previous suggestion of siting travellers near Gordon Road in Branksome.

“You’ve only got to ask yourself the question – if you’re going to buy somewhere and all of a sudden it’s announced there’s going to be a travellers’ site 100 yards away from you, what would you do?”

But Martin Thomas, of Palmer Snell in Broadstone, felt it was too early to tell whether the traveller sites would have an effect on house prices.

“It depends on so many things, including how big it is and how often it is used and at the moment nobody can say whether it will affect property prices. Certainly we haven’t picked up on any negativity so far, we haven’t had anybody wanting to be taken off the list for Creekmoor properties.

“It’s not in the middle of Creekmoor but on the outskirts, with no housing in the immediate vicinity.

“And it is only a transit site as we understand it, which might only be used two months of the year.

“I don’t think we can say yet what will happen.”

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7:21am Wed 29 Jan 14

Peggy Babcock says...

These sites seem logical to me. Houses do not directly overlook them - Marshes End is next to a business park. It's the usual case of NIMBYism.
These sites seem logical to me. Houses do not directly overlook them - Marshes End is next to a business park. It's the usual case of NIMBYism. Peggy Babcock

7:44am Wed 29 Jan 14

steve518 says...

That metal gate be there for long once they arrive, hope the council remove it before it disappears
That metal gate be there for long once they arrive, hope the council remove it before it disappears steve518

7:56am Wed 29 Jan 14

steve518 says...

steve518 wrote:
That metal gate be there for long once they arrive, hope the council remove it before it disappears
missed won't after gate
[quote][p][bold]steve518[/bold] wrote: That metal gate be there for long once they arrive, hope the council remove it before it disappears[/p][/quote]missed won't after gate steve518

8:17am Wed 29 Jan 14

BIGTONE says...

These transit sites won't make a blind bit of difference to moving illegal campers on within 24 hours.
Once the transit site is full,any new arrivals will pitch up illegally as before,then it's back to square one taking 5-7days and thousands of pounds to get them moved on. So if anything,this will cost taxpayers even more.
The next move will be the local council being sued by the travellers for injuries,stress etc on any provided site. Open cheque book.
Also,what about medical,schooling facilities?
So pleased central Government thought through this legislation as they always do.
These transit sites won't make a blind bit of difference to moving illegal campers on within 24 hours. Once the transit site is full,any new arrivals will pitch up illegally as before,then it's back to square one taking 5-7days and thousands of pounds to get them moved on. So if anything,this will cost taxpayers even more. The next move will be the local council being sued by the travellers for injuries,stress etc on any provided site. Open cheque book. Also,what about medical,schooling facilities? So pleased central Government thought through this legislation as they always do. BIGTONE

8:38am Wed 29 Jan 14

Carolyn43 says...

Presumably the council will have to take out insurance to cover any injury or illness suffered by anyone using the site. It's contaminated with asbestos. Will any insurance company take on the risk?
Presumably the council will have to take out insurance to cover any injury or illness suffered by anyone using the site. It's contaminated with asbestos. Will any insurance company take on the risk? Carolyn43

8:43am Wed 29 Jan 14

Chris the plumber says...

steve518 wrote:
That metal gate be there for long once they arrive, hope the council remove it before it disappears
are you suggesting these Travellers are inclined to steal ??
surely all races and creeds have some thieves amongst their numbers even the good burgers of creekmoor !!
[quote][p][bold]steve518[/bold] wrote: That metal gate be there for long once they arrive, hope the council remove it before it disappears[/p][/quote]are you suggesting these Travellers are inclined to steal ?? surely all races and creeds have some thieves amongst their numbers even the good burgers of creekmoor !! Chris the plumber

8:55am Wed 29 Jan 14

Carolyn43 says...

If they were Romanies, I could see no problem, having had several years experience when I lived elsewhere.
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Two couples with children used to arrive and stay for a month. They had regular stopping places through the year. They asked where they could set up and offered to pay rent. The husbands did excellent handyman work, gardening or helped on local farms. The wives did fantastic sewing, mending and embroidery. The children were a delight and attended the local school.
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When they left, they told us they were moving on and left the place so clean and tidy you wouldn't know they had been there. A bit different to what was experienced in Poole last year.
If they were Romanies, I could see no problem, having had several years experience when I lived elsewhere. ...... Two couples with children used to arrive and stay for a month. They had regular stopping places through the year. They asked where they could set up and offered to pay rent. The husbands did excellent handyman work, gardening or helped on local farms. The wives did fantastic sewing, mending and embroidery. The children were a delight and attended the local school. ...... When they left, they told us they were moving on and left the place so clean and tidy you wouldn't know they had been there. A bit different to what was experienced in Poole last year. Carolyn43

8:57am Wed 29 Jan 14

steve518 says...

Chris the plumber wrote:
steve518 wrote:
That metal gate be there for long once they arrive, hope the council remove it before it disappears
are you suggesting these Travellers are inclined to steal ??
surely all races and creeds have some thieves amongst their numbers even the good burgers of creekmoor !!
I believe they may be partial to a bit of metal.
[quote][p][bold]Chris the plumber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steve518[/bold] wrote: That metal gate be there for long once they arrive, hope the council remove it before it disappears[/p][/quote]are you suggesting these Travellers are inclined to steal ?? surely all races and creeds have some thieves amongst their numbers even the good burgers of creekmoor !![/p][/quote]I believe they may be partial to a bit of metal. steve518

10:01am Wed 29 Jan 14

speedy231278 says...

Does anyone know if the law regarding moving this lot off of illegally occupied sites if a site such as the above is available actually applies when said site is full? If not, the people next to the site have been sold down the river for absolutely no gain in the area.
Does anyone know if the law regarding moving this lot off of illegally occupied sites if a site such as the above is available actually applies when said site is full? If not, the people next to the site have been sold down the river for absolutely no gain in the area. speedy231278

10:33am Wed 29 Jan 14

Carolyn43 says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Does anyone know if the law regarding moving this lot off of illegally occupied sites if a site such as the above is available actually applies when said site is full? If not, the people next to the site have been sold down the river for absolutely no gain in the area.
Logic suggests that if the site is full, then there is nowhere to move them on to. So the council would have to go to court just as they did last year, spend more money and take a week to evict them.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know if the law regarding moving this lot off of illegally occupied sites if a site such as the above is available actually applies when said site is full? If not, the people next to the site have been sold down the river for absolutely no gain in the area.[/p][/quote]Logic suggests that if the site is full, then there is nowhere to move them on to. So the council would have to go to court just as they did last year, spend more money and take a week to evict them. Carolyn43

11:53am Wed 29 Jan 14

sea poole says...

Chris the Plumber -I guess it must be close to your lunchtime if you're thinking of 'Burgers' in Creekmoor! Maybe burghers may be a little less cannibalistic! At least the citizens of Creekmoor can sleep a little easier knowing the Mad Plumber isn't tearing around trying to eat all and sundry in Creekmoor!
Chris the Plumber -I guess it must be close to your lunchtime if you're thinking of 'Burgers' in Creekmoor! Maybe burghers may be a little less cannibalistic! At least the citizens of Creekmoor can sleep a little easier knowing the Mad Plumber isn't tearing around trying to eat all and sundry in Creekmoor! sea poole

12:44pm Wed 29 Jan 14

mw2010 says...

Will the Council compensate the local residence for the devaluing of their properties, how would the councilors like the value of their houses to decrease
Will the Council compensate the local residence for the devaluing of their properties, how would the councilors like the value of their houses to decrease mw2010

1:29pm Wed 29 Jan 14

dogsoftheworld says...

This is a bad time for those poor people there,
At least they have the conservative cabinet member Judy Butt on their side.
Maybe.
Her speech at the council meeting was half hearted at best. Then straight afterwards she left her old pals behind and went off laughing and giggling to the Sloop for a celebratory drink with her new chums llberal democrat councilors Jo Clements and Philip Eades!
This is a bad time for those poor people there, At least they have the conservative cabinet member Judy Butt on their side. Maybe. Her speech at the council meeting was half hearted at best. Then straight afterwards she left her old pals behind and went off laughing and giggling to the Sloop for a celebratory drink with her new chums llberal democrat councilors Jo Clements and Philip Eades! dogsoftheworld

3:44pm Wed 29 Jan 14

lorrai1011 says...

Peggy Babcock wrote:
These sites seem logical to me. Houses do not directly overlook them - Marshes End is next to a business park. It's the usual case of NIMBYism.
You would like it in your back garden would you send you wouldn't mind your house price decreasing.
[quote][p][bold]Peggy Babcock[/bold] wrote: These sites seem logical to me. Houses do not directly overlook them - Marshes End is next to a business park. It's the usual case of NIMBYism.[/p][/quote]You would like it in your back garden would you send you wouldn't mind your house price decreasing. lorrai1011

3:45pm Wed 29 Jan 14

lorrai1011 says...

dogsoftheworld wrote:
This is a bad time for those poor people there,
At least they have the conservative cabinet member Judy Butt on their side.
Maybe.
Her speech at the council meeting was half hearted at best. Then straight afterwards she left her old pals behind and went off laughing and giggling to the Sloop for a celebratory drink with her new chums llberal democrat councilors Jo Clements and Philip Eades!
Oh no really that's not good.
[quote][p][bold]dogsoftheworld[/bold] wrote: This is a bad time for those poor people there, At least they have the conservative cabinet member Judy Butt on their side. Maybe. Her speech at the council meeting was half hearted at best. Then straight afterwards she left her old pals behind and went off laughing and giggling to the Sloop for a celebratory drink with her new chums llberal democrat councilors Jo Clements and Philip Eades![/p][/quote]Oh no really that's not good. lorrai1011

3:50pm Wed 29 Jan 14

thevoiceofreason1 says...

ALL FOR IT...JUST AS SOON AS THEY START PAYING TAXES,TREAT OTHERS INCLUDING PUBLIC PROPERTY WITH RESPECT AND ABIDE BY THE LAW OF THE UK.
ON THAT BASIS WE WOULD BE SAFE AS IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN!
ALL FOR IT...JUST AS SOON AS THEY START PAYING TAXES,TREAT OTHERS INCLUDING PUBLIC PROPERTY WITH RESPECT AND ABIDE BY THE LAW OF THE UK. ON THAT BASIS WE WOULD BE SAFE AS IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN! thevoiceofreason1

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