Licet begins work on £50m West Central complex, despite battle against council over NCP car park

Chris Dymond from Licet, Andrew Ferguson from Legal and General and Iain Selbie from NCP

Chris Dymond from Licet, Andrew Ferguson from Legal and General and Iain Selbie from NCP

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THE developer behind a £50million leisure scheme in Bournemouth town centre has started work – despite an ongoing wrangle over its future.

Representatives from Licet, NCP and funding partners Legal and General Property yesterday were on the ground at the Exeter Road car park to signal the start of work for the West Central complex.

But it is against the backdrop of Bournemouth Borough Council’s plans to scupper the scheme by forcing through a Compulsory Purchase Order on the site, which it says is the best place for it to build a bus hub.

Licet says it has signed contracts with Odeon Cinemas for a 2,000-seat, 10-screen operation, as well as a host of restaurant operators, and claims that the development will create 500 jobs.

But the council believes that Licet intends to do a minimal amount of work to keep its planning permission alive.

Licet director Chris Dymond told the Daily Echo on site yesterday: “It’s starting foundations and it’s in effect confirming the planning permission because the planning permission expires in a couple of months’ time, so we have to do a significant amount of work to make sure that’s implicated. There will be a gap of two or three months where we finalise the detailed design and then we have to appoint the building contractor.

“The council will do what the council wants to do. We have taken our own advice on the CPO and we’re confident enough to carry on.

“That will evolve over time and we think the risk is bigger on the council than it is on us.”

Licet says the work is on schedule and it is aiming for a completion of mid-2016. It says that 12 units have already been let to major names such as Nando’s, Ask Italian, Chiquito, Prezzo and Frankie and Benny’s.

Mr Dymond said there would be ‘fierce’ competition for the remaining space, with Bournemouth-based operators also in the mix. Andrew Ferguson, head of leisure at Legal and General Property, added: “We’re very pleased to be in Bournemouth and in at the start of this flagship development that has been backed all the way by the operators.

“It’s a vote of confidence in Bournemouth as well as providing a major financial boost for jobs and the local economy.”

Council not backing down...

In yesterday's Daily Echo, council leader John Beesley insisted the authority would not back down over the prime town centre site.

He said it would continue to pursue the CPO despite Licet having planning permission and deals in place with Odeon and restaurants.

Cllr Beesley questioned Licet’s claims and said it did not affect its plans to build a bus hub.

In yesterday’s Echo he said he had not seen any documentary proof that Licet was in a position to proceed and that if they did so, they would be doing it ‘at risk’.

The council is drawing up a planning application for a bus hub before applying for a CPO. If successful, it plans to spend up to £5million building the hub in an effort to reduce congestion in Gervis Place.

When contacted by the Echo yesterday, Cllr Beesley added: “It’s the minimum amount of work prior to the expiration of their planning consent to keep it live and it’s what you would expect any developer to do.”

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7:34am Tue 28 Jan 14

BIGTONE says...

I can see this becoming very messy,time consuming and costly.
I can see this becoming very messy,time consuming and costly. BIGTONE
  • Score: 12

7:36am Tue 28 Jan 14

the_baron1 says...

YES it was a great place to be a bus hub ----- 10 Years ago!!! BUT with Bournemouth Councils inaptitude to make a decision then and years of no action someone else had a vision for this space.

So now that they are proceeding with a new venture for Bournemouth our council has decided to spend OUR money on fighting this.

If you had made this decision a decade ago we would have now an excellent bus hub which would have not cost us the taxpayer a fortune. Now it looks like you will be spending our money on a useless cause.

Let them get on with the new developement and forget this line of action in chasing a lost cause.
YES it was a great place to be a bus hub ----- 10 Years ago!!! BUT with Bournemouth Councils inaptitude to make a decision then and years of no action someone else had a vision for this space. So now that they are proceeding with a new venture for Bournemouth our council has decided to spend OUR money on fighting this. If you had made this decision a decade ago we would have now an excellent bus hub which would have not cost us the taxpayer a fortune. Now it looks like you will be spending our money on a useless cause. Let them get on with the new developement and forget this line of action in chasing a lost cause. the_baron1
  • Score: 13

7:45am Tue 28 Jan 14

muscliffman says...

Whatever view you may have on this Licet development you cannot but marvel how after nearly forty years of inaction on this prime site we have arrived at a childish stand off between two multi-million pound organisations over who will finally play with what in this Exeter Road box of toys. Probably the only certainties in all this is that the town and it's taxpayers will not be the beneficiaries and it's all going to end in some very expensive tears.

Very well played Bournemouth Council - NOT!
Whatever view you may have on this Licet development you cannot but marvel how after nearly forty years of inaction on this prime site we have arrived at a childish stand off between two multi-million pound organisations over who will finally play with what in this Exeter Road box of toys. Probably the only certainties in all this is that the town and it's taxpayers will not be the beneficiaries and it's all going to end in some very expensive tears. Very well played Bournemouth Council - NOT! muscliffman
  • Score: 22

7:55am Tue 28 Jan 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Bournemouth may not want or need this particular development but it may result in the embarrassment of the arrogant confrontational Beesley boy.The ratepayers will get a wort on the nose but get rid of the boil on the bum.Just hope the council can stop Ccl Beesley a very expensive ego protection fight
Bournemouth may not want or need this particular development but it may result in the embarrassment of the arrogant confrontational Beesley boy.The ratepayers will get a wort on the nose but get rid of the boil on the bum.Just hope the council can stop Ccl Beesley a very expensive ego protection fight kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 8

8:11am Tue 28 Jan 14

ragj195 says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Bournemouth may not want or need this particular development but it may result in the embarrassment of the arrogant confrontational Beesley boy.The ratepayers will get a wort on the nose but get rid of the boil on the bum.Just hope the council can stop Ccl Beesley a very expensive ego protection fight
How can you say we don't need it when every Bournemouth family I know goes to The Empire at Tower Park often spending around £50 a time. I don't know anyone apart from my 72 year old mother who goes to Westover Rd because they are so run down and un appealing.
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: Bournemouth may not want or need this particular development but it may result in the embarrassment of the arrogant confrontational Beesley boy.The ratepayers will get a wort on the nose but get rid of the boil on the bum.Just hope the council can stop Ccl Beesley a very expensive ego protection fight[/p][/quote]How can you say we don't need it when every Bournemouth family I know goes to The Empire at Tower Park often spending around £50 a time. I don't know anyone apart from my 72 year old mother who goes to Westover Rd because they are so run down and un appealing. ragj195
  • Score: 7

8:33am Tue 28 Jan 14

billy bumble says...

I would say this is badly needed

Some decent movie houses ( agree re the fleapits in Westover Road )

PLUS

Some much needed restaurants near to the BIC
I would say this is badly needed Some decent movie houses ( agree re the fleapits in Westover Road ) PLUS Some much needed restaurants near to the BIC billy bumble
  • Score: 2

8:44am Tue 28 Jan 14

PaulBosc says...

Since my family has been in Bournemouth for 160 years, I do feel I have an interest in what is happening in the town centre. The biggest missed opportunity concerning the 'bus station' site is that the opportunity wasn't taken to build a decent large department store there; say a proper John Lewis with a much needed town centre supermarket - Waitrose comes to mind, with maybe some restaurants and a car park under. We've got a new 13 storey Hilton being built across the road, and thousands will be drawn into town. We hear that Bournemouth is falling behind in terms of shopping capacity; this is corroborated in various 'town centre vision' reports that have come forward - would have drawn shoppers we've lost to West Quay. Most people go to West Quay for John Lewis - it's a fact. Get Westover Road sorted out, with pavement cafes, and a shopping galleria in and around the huge ice rink building. This council is a shambles.
Since my family has been in Bournemouth for 160 years, I do feel I have an interest in what is happening in the town centre. The biggest missed opportunity concerning the 'bus station' site is that the opportunity wasn't taken to build a decent large department store there; say a proper John Lewis with a much needed town centre supermarket - Waitrose comes to mind, with maybe some restaurants and a car park under. We've got a new 13 storey Hilton being built across the road, and thousands will be drawn into town. We hear that Bournemouth is falling behind in terms of shopping capacity; this is corroborated in various 'town centre vision' reports that have come forward - would have drawn shoppers we've lost to West Quay. Most people go to West Quay for John Lewis - it's a fact. Get Westover Road sorted out, with pavement cafes, and a shopping galleria in and around the huge ice rink building. This council is a shambles. PaulBosc
  • Score: 3

8:48am Tue 28 Jan 14

steve518 says...

The development doesn't appeal to me, don't really go to the cinema and wouldn't set foot in any of the restaurants mentioned which churn out mass produced rubbish. But I hope it goes ahead just to get one over the arrogant fools in the Council Chambers. Beesley states that he developers are being overly aggressive, how does he come to that conclusion? They own the site and they have planning permission to develop the site, so surely they are within their rights to start the development as and when they so wish.
The development doesn't appeal to me, don't really go to the cinema and wouldn't set foot in any of the restaurants mentioned which churn out mass produced rubbish. But I hope it goes ahead just to get one over the arrogant fools in the Council Chambers. Beesley states that he developers are being overly aggressive, how does he come to that conclusion? They own the site and they have planning permission to develop the site, so surely they are within their rights to start the development as and when they so wish. steve518
  • Score: 11

9:37am Tue 28 Jan 14

TheDistrict says...

It will cost the Bournemouth taxpayer millions if the Beesley group go ahead with a CPO. It is one of the most long winded and costly matters when it comes to planning and building. Why not let Licets continue with their project, something we need in Bournemouth, thus allowing Westover Road to become that precinct of open space, and leisure. Whilst at the same time Beesley can take the Winter Garden site and turn that into a Bus and Coach Hub, achieving the same objective as he would have done after the long winded process of obtaining the West site area. Mr Beesley, do not become another Charon, back down, count your gains and reprogrammed accordingly. Remember, you only have 15 months to go.
It will cost the Bournemouth taxpayer millions if the Beesley group go ahead with a CPO. It is one of the most long winded and costly matters when it comes to planning and building. Why not let Licets continue with their project, something we need in Bournemouth, thus allowing Westover Road to become that precinct of open space, and leisure. Whilst at the same time Beesley can take the Winter Garden site and turn that into a Bus and Coach Hub, achieving the same objective as he would have done after the long winded process of obtaining the West site area. Mr Beesley, do not become another Charon, back down, count your gains and reprogrammed accordingly. Remember, you only have 15 months to go. TheDistrict
  • Score: 15

9:37am Tue 28 Jan 14

kalebmoledirt says...

ragj195 wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Bournemouth may not want or need this particular development but it may result in the embarrassment of the arrogant confrontational Beesley boy.The ratepayers will get a wort on the nose but get rid of the boil on the bum.Just hope the council can stop Ccl Beesley a very expensive ego protection fight
How can you say we don't need it when every Bournemouth family I know goes to The Empire at Tower Park often spending around £50 a time. I don't know anyone apart from my 72 year old mother who goes to Westover Rd because they are so run down and un appealing.
oK Bournemouth does need it .Does it need an arrogant councillor to scupper it?was the debate I was promoting
[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: Bournemouth may not want or need this particular development but it may result in the embarrassment of the arrogant confrontational Beesley boy.The ratepayers will get a wort on the nose but get rid of the boil on the bum.Just hope the council can stop Ccl Beesley a very expensive ego protection fight[/p][/quote]How can you say we don't need it when every Bournemouth family I know goes to The Empire at Tower Park often spending around £50 a time. I don't know anyone apart from my 72 year old mother who goes to Westover Rd because they are so run down and un appealing.[/p][/quote]oK Bournemouth does need it .Does it need an arrogant councillor to scupper it?was the debate I was promoting kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 3

9:43am Tue 28 Jan 14

Talk Sense says...

Councillors are private industry failures, now failing our local governments. We need successful business people to make these type of decisions as their vision is broader and more likely to be what is needed for the local people in the local area.
Councillors are private industry failures, now failing our local governments. We need successful business people to make these type of decisions as their vision is broader and more likely to be what is needed for the local people in the local area. Talk Sense
  • Score: 12

10:01am Tue 28 Jan 14

Redgolfer says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
ragj195 wrote:
kalebmoledirt wrote:
Bournemouth may not want or need this particular development but it may result in the embarrassment of the arrogant confrontational Beesley boy.The ratepayers will get a wort on the nose but get rid of the boil on the bum.Just hope the council can stop Ccl Beesley a very expensive ego protection fight
How can you say we don't need it when every Bournemouth family I know goes to The Empire at Tower Park often spending around £50 a time. I don't know anyone apart from my 72 year old mother who goes to Westover Rd because they are so run down and un appealing.
oK Bournemouth does need it .Does it need an arrogant councillor to scupper it?was the debate I was promoting
So go down to Westover Road on a Wednesday night and see the queues wanting to get into the cinema's and if you want Westover Road to become a shopping plaza, where does the traffic go, you say build underground car park when you have car parks all ready there that will not cost the public £3,000,000 a year to lease back as the council wanted to do with Gardens scheme, what we ought to be stating is that Beasley should not be running the Council as many poster's have stated on this Forum !!!
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: Bournemouth may not want or need this particular development but it may result in the embarrassment of the arrogant confrontational Beesley boy.The ratepayers will get a wort on the nose but get rid of the boil on the bum.Just hope the council can stop Ccl Beesley a very expensive ego protection fight[/p][/quote]How can you say we don't need it when every Bournemouth family I know goes to The Empire at Tower Park often spending around £50 a time. I don't know anyone apart from my 72 year old mother who goes to Westover Rd because they are so run down and un appealing.[/p][/quote]oK Bournemouth does need it .Does it need an arrogant councillor to scupper it?was the debate I was promoting[/p][/quote]So go down to Westover Road on a Wednesday night and see the queues wanting to get into the cinema's and if you want Westover Road to become a shopping plaza, where does the traffic go, you say build underground car park when you have car parks all ready there that will not cost the public £3,000,000 a year to lease back as the council wanted to do with Gardens scheme, what we ought to be stating is that Beasley should not be running the Council as many poster's have stated on this Forum !!! Redgolfer
  • Score: 7

11:15am Tue 28 Jan 14

MrPitiful says...

Hope this gets completed.

This would be the worst and most inappropriate place in town for a bus station. Can't think of anywhere worse.

It may have been ok in the golden olden days but the town needs to move with the times a bit more.

Stick a load of buses there and we just take misguided steps back in time.
Hope this gets completed. This would be the worst and most inappropriate place in town for a bus station. Can't think of anywhere worse. It may have been ok in the golden olden days but the town needs to move with the times a bit more. Stick a load of buses there and we just take misguided steps back in time. MrPitiful
  • Score: 3

11:36am Tue 28 Jan 14

mookie44 says...

Don't see why people moan about this? You get a brand new cinema and a Nando's! instead of a crappy overpriced car park. Win Win
Don't see why people moan about this? You get a brand new cinema and a Nando's! instead of a crappy overpriced car park. Win Win mookie44
  • Score: 3

11:48am Tue 28 Jan 14

skydriver says...

Up and down the country these local councillors are getting it in the neck due to their daft decision making, none of them are working for the people who put them in office, I feel many have their own hidden agenda. It's the same in Christchurch, and I believe it's down to leadership, and that is what all these councils clearly lack. Come the next round of elections these same councillors who have been upsetting the local folk will be on our doorsteps begging for us to vote for them. We have long memories and we remember who are the ones who have taken little or no notice of what the locals are asking for., I really feel some of these councillors need to rethink their positions, .remember it is us that put you their we can just as easily remove you. And I feel that time has come to do just that.
Up and down the country these local councillors are getting it in the neck due to their daft decision making, none of them are working for the people who put them in office, I feel many have their own hidden agenda. It's the same in Christchurch, and I believe it's down to leadership, and that is what all these councils clearly lack. Come the next round of elections these same councillors who have been upsetting the local folk will be on our doorsteps begging for us to vote for them. We have long memories and we remember who are the ones who have taken little or no notice of what the locals are asking for., I really feel some of these councillors need to rethink their positions, .remember it is us that put you their we can just as easily remove you. And I feel that time has come to do just that. skydriver
  • Score: 6

11:50am Tue 28 Jan 14

BmthNewshound says...

The only winners in any ongoing legal battle between Bournemouth Council and Licet will be the lawyers.
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Beesley needs to stop acting like a petulant child and grow up. It was Bournemouth Council who gave the go ahead for the West Central scheme and Beelsey should honour that decision. The long term damage of Beesleys single handed decision to pull the plug on the Osborne Pavilion scheme and desire to pull the plug on West Central sends a very clear message to any potential investor in Bournemouth – Bournemouth Council can’t be trusted to honour their word, Bournemouth is closed to investors.
The only winners in any ongoing legal battle between Bournemouth Council and Licet will be the lawyers. . Beesley needs to stop acting like a petulant child and grow up. It was Bournemouth Council who gave the go ahead for the West Central scheme and Beelsey should honour that decision. The long term damage of Beesleys single handed decision to pull the plug on the Osborne Pavilion scheme and desire to pull the plug on West Central sends a very clear message to any potential investor in Bournemouth – Bournemouth Council can’t be trusted to honour their word, Bournemouth is closed to investors. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 12

11:50am Tue 28 Jan 14

speedy231278 says...

Why would there be fierce competition for the units when half the units in the arcades in Old Christchurch Road are empty?
Why would there be fierce competition for the units when half the units in the arcades in Old Christchurch Road are empty? speedy231278
  • Score: -2

11:54am Tue 28 Jan 14

UrbanCrab says...

Let it go Beesley, you've wasted enough of our money as it is. The only decent thing you could do for bournemouth is resign.
Let it go Beesley, you've wasted enough of our money as it is. The only decent thing you could do for bournemouth is resign. UrbanCrab
  • Score: 9

11:54am Tue 28 Jan 14

speedy231278 says...

If we really need things like cinema and shopping complexes near the BIC, why did the IMAX flop?
If we really need things like cinema and shopping complexes near the BIC, why did the IMAX flop? speedy231278
  • Score: 4

12:40pm Tue 28 Jan 14

JohnGS says...

So we are now told that developers are stating work on the NCP parking site adjacent the lower gardens.
Proposed plans must have been submitted to the town planning department and information supplied to nearby property owners before any work can proceed ?
As a bus hub is needed urgently and proposed by the council it could be funded by installing on the lower floor with shops and cinema on the upper floors.
With good design this could benefit the town and with strong negotiations with the developer the bus hub could be built for free and still allowing the developer a good profit.
However as Bournemouth seafront and gardens are the towns best asset theyi should be protected from any building development so as to save its existing beauty .
So we are now told that developers are stating work on the NCP parking site adjacent the lower gardens. Proposed plans must have been submitted to the town planning department and information supplied to nearby property owners before any work can proceed ? As a bus hub is needed urgently and proposed by the council it could be funded by installing on the lower floor with shops and cinema on the upper floors. With good design this could benefit the town and with strong negotiations with the developer the bus hub could be built for free and still allowing the developer a good profit. However as Bournemouth seafront and gardens are the towns best asset theyi should be protected from any building development so as to save its existing beauty . JohnGS
  • Score: -2

12:52pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Holdenhurst says...

speedy231278 wrote:
If we really need things like cinema and shopping complexes near the BIC, why did the IMAX flop?
I believe it was ahead of it's time. When it opened there was very little output in the IMAX format other than short films. Nowadays you can watch a reasonable amount of mainstream feature films in IMAX,
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: If we really need things like cinema and shopping complexes near the BIC, why did the IMAX flop?[/p][/quote]I believe it was ahead of it's time. When it opened there was very little output in the IMAX format other than short films. Nowadays you can watch a reasonable amount of mainstream feature films in IMAX, Holdenhurst
  • Score: 3

3:02pm Tue 28 Jan 14

muscliffman says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
The only winners in any ongoing legal battle between Bournemouth Council and Licet will be the lawyers.
.
Beesley needs to stop acting like a petulant child and grow up. It was Bournemouth Council who gave the go ahead for the West Central scheme and Beelsey should honour that decision. The long term damage of Beesleys single handed decision to pull the plug on the Osborne Pavilion scheme and desire to pull the plug on West Central sends a very clear message to any potential investor in Bournemouth – Bournemouth Council can’t be trusted to honour their word, Bournemouth is closed to investors.
Perhaps it's best to also consider the possibility of a bigger game being played here. 'single handed decision to pull the plug on the Osborne Pavilion scheme and desire to pull the plug on West Central sends a very clear message to any potential investor ', really? But can we be certain that the plug to the evidently once Council favoured Nautilus development has truly been pulled.

For how about the recent suggestion that the intended 'investors' in the Pavilion Nautilus scheme are principally withholding their funding because the Council's CPO of the West Central scheme site has not (yet) been confirmed? Perhaps it just suits some folk at present to put the Nautilus scheme in the long grass and well out of sight whilst this controversial - but for it apparently crucial - Council CPO is pursued to scupper it's West Central rival.

Reports of Nautilus's 'death' may ultimately prove to have been very timely and not a little exaggerated. We shall see.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: The only winners in any ongoing legal battle between Bournemouth Council and Licet will be the lawyers. . Beesley needs to stop acting like a petulant child and grow up. It was Bournemouth Council who gave the go ahead for the West Central scheme and Beelsey should honour that decision. The long term damage of Beesleys single handed decision to pull the plug on the Osborne Pavilion scheme and desire to pull the plug on West Central sends a very clear message to any potential investor in Bournemouth – Bournemouth Council can’t be trusted to honour their word, Bournemouth is closed to investors.[/p][/quote]Perhaps it's best to also consider the possibility of a bigger game being played here. 'single handed decision to pull the plug on the Osborne Pavilion scheme and desire to pull the plug on West Central sends a very clear message to any potential investor ', really? But can we be certain that the plug to the evidently once Council favoured Nautilus development has truly been pulled. For how about the recent suggestion that the intended 'investors' in the Pavilion Nautilus scheme are principally withholding their funding because the Council's CPO of the West Central scheme site has not (yet) been confirmed? Perhaps it just suits some folk at present to put the Nautilus scheme in the long grass and well out of sight whilst this controversial - but for it apparently crucial - Council CPO is pursued to scupper it's West Central rival. Reports of Nautilus's 'death' may ultimately prove to have been very timely and not a little exaggerated. We shall see. muscliffman
  • Score: 1

3:11pm Tue 28 Jan 14

speedy231278 says...

If the council are trying to CPO the site to make sure a rival development does not get impinged on, does that not suggest the councillors have their fingers in the pie? Surely either development, which seem similar, would be touted as having benefits for the area (which I cannot see), so as they are both private companies surely the most able to afford to complete the scheme should do it? Perhaps it would be revealing if one were to look at the books of the companies behind the scheme near the Pavilion to see if any of our trusted councillors might be on the board?
If the council are trying to CPO the site to make sure a rival development does not get impinged on, does that not suggest the councillors have their fingers in the pie? Surely either development, which seem similar, would be touted as having benefits for the area (which I cannot see), so as they are both private companies surely the most able to afford to complete the scheme should do it? Perhaps it would be revealing if one were to look at the books of the companies behind the scheme near the Pavilion to see if any of our trusted councillors might be on the board? speedy231278
  • Score: 2

4:39pm Tue 28 Jan 14

ShuttleX says...

.“That will evolve over time and we think the risk is bigger on the council than it is on us.” ........

That will not bother Mr Beesely one iota. He doesn't care how much of OUR money he wastes, as long as he gets his own way. He refuses time after time, to listen to wiser people than himself. He is so arrogant as to believe that he is right, and everybody else is wrong. Just because Councillors are voting the way you tell them to Mr Beesely, don't think for a minute that you have their total support. As I have told you before, the knives are drawn, and there are quite a number of Councillors getting ready to stick them in your back. You know how that feels, after all, you were the main one behind doing the same things to Mr Charon
.“That will evolve over time and we think the risk is bigger on the council than it is on us.” ........ That will not bother Mr Beesely one iota. He doesn't care how much of OUR money he wastes, as long as he gets his own way. He refuses time after time, to listen to wiser people than himself. He is so arrogant as to believe that he is right, and everybody else is wrong. Just because Councillors are voting the way you tell them to Mr Beesely, don't think for a minute that you have their total support. As I have told you before, the knives are drawn, and there are quite a number of Councillors getting ready to stick them in your back. You know how that feels, after all, you were the main one behind doing the same things to Mr Charon ShuttleX
  • Score: 1

5:31pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Redgolfer says...

muscliffman wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
The only winners in any ongoing legal battle between Bournemouth Council and Licet will be the lawyers.
.
Beesley needs to stop acting like a petulant child and grow up. It was Bournemouth Council who gave the go ahead for the West Central scheme and Beelsey should honour that decision. The long term damage of Beesleys single handed decision to pull the plug on the Osborne Pavilion scheme and desire to pull the plug on West Central sends a very clear message to any potential investor in Bournemouth – Bournemouth Council can’t be trusted to honour their word, Bournemouth is closed to investors.
Perhaps it's best to also consider the possibility of a bigger game being played here. 'single handed decision to pull the plug on the Osborne Pavilion scheme and desire to pull the plug on West Central sends a very clear message to any potential investor ', really? But can we be certain that the plug to the evidently once Council favoured Nautilus development has truly been pulled.

For how about the recent suggestion that the intended 'investors' in the Pavilion Nautilus scheme are principally withholding their funding because the Council's CPO of the West Central scheme site has not (yet) been confirmed? Perhaps it just suits some folk at present to put the Nautilus scheme in the long grass and well out of sight whilst this controversial - but for it apparently crucial - Council CPO is pursued to scupper it's West Central rival.

Reports of Nautilus's 'death' may ultimately prove to have been very timely and not a little exaggerated. We shall see.
Are you saying that Osborne's Pavilion Scheme is still alive in the water, when according to Echo's reports it not only ran out of time and money but because of the terrible cost to the taxpayers of leasing back the underground car park at £3,000,000 per year over 75 years, that is the bit worrying Me.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: The only winners in any ongoing legal battle between Bournemouth Council and Licet will be the lawyers. . Beesley needs to stop acting like a petulant child and grow up. It was Bournemouth Council who gave the go ahead for the West Central scheme and Beelsey should honour that decision. The long term damage of Beesleys single handed decision to pull the plug on the Osborne Pavilion scheme and desire to pull the plug on West Central sends a very clear message to any potential investor in Bournemouth – Bournemouth Council can’t be trusted to honour their word, Bournemouth is closed to investors.[/p][/quote]Perhaps it's best to also consider the possibility of a bigger game being played here. 'single handed decision to pull the plug on the Osborne Pavilion scheme and desire to pull the plug on West Central sends a very clear message to any potential investor ', really? But can we be certain that the plug to the evidently once Council favoured Nautilus development has truly been pulled. For how about the recent suggestion that the intended 'investors' in the Pavilion Nautilus scheme are principally withholding their funding because the Council's CPO of the West Central scheme site has not (yet) been confirmed? Perhaps it just suits some folk at present to put the Nautilus scheme in the long grass and well out of sight whilst this controversial - but for it apparently crucial - Council CPO is pursued to scupper it's West Central rival. Reports of Nautilus's 'death' may ultimately prove to have been very timely and not a little exaggerated. We shall see.[/p][/quote]Are you saying that Osborne's Pavilion Scheme is still alive in the water, when according to Echo's reports it not only ran out of time and money but because of the terrible cost to the taxpayers of leasing back the underground car park at £3,000,000 per year over 75 years, that is the bit worrying Me. Redgolfer
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6:43pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Bob49 says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
The only winners in any ongoing legal battle between Bournemouth Council and Licet will be the lawyers.
.
Beesley needs to stop acting like a petulant child and grow up. It was Bournemouth Council who gave the go ahead for the West Central scheme and Beelsey should honour that decision. The long term damage of Beesleys single handed decision to pull the plug on the Osborne Pavilion scheme and desire to pull the plug on West Central sends a very clear message to any potential investor in Bournemouth – Bournemouth Council can’t be trusted to honour their word, Bournemouth is closed to investors.
unless of course you just happen to be one of the as yet unnamed developers behind the 'comprehensive redevelopment' of the Imax/bath Hill Rd site

would you want another large development in competition ?

perhaps folk should actually ask themselves why the council has spent £10m of our money buying up that site ?

and why does the Bath Hill road carpark need to be built on ('comprehensive redevelopment')

start to understand that and the rest falls in plan ................. or into your back pocket if you happen to be certain folk
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: The only winners in any ongoing legal battle between Bournemouth Council and Licet will be the lawyers. . Beesley needs to stop acting like a petulant child and grow up. It was Bournemouth Council who gave the go ahead for the West Central scheme and Beelsey should honour that decision. The long term damage of Beesleys single handed decision to pull the plug on the Osborne Pavilion scheme and desire to pull the plug on West Central sends a very clear message to any potential investor in Bournemouth – Bournemouth Council can’t be trusted to honour their word, Bournemouth is closed to investors.[/p][/quote]unless of course you just happen to be one of the as yet unnamed developers behind the 'comprehensive redevelopment' of the Imax/bath Hill Rd site would you want another large development in competition ? perhaps folk should actually ask themselves why the council has spent £10m of our money buying up that site ? and why does the Bath Hill road carpark need to be built on ('comprehensive redevelopment') start to understand that and the rest falls in plan ................. or into your back pocket if you happen to be certain folk Bob49
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8:45pm Tue 28 Jan 14

muscliffman says...

Redgolfer wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
The only winners in any ongoing legal battle between Bournemouth Council and Licet will be the lawyers.
.
Beesley needs to stop acting like a petulant child and grow up. It was Bournemouth Council who gave the go ahead for the West Central scheme and Beelsey should honour that decision. The long term damage of Beesleys single handed decision to pull the plug on the Osborne Pavilion scheme and desire to pull the plug on West Central sends a very clear message to any potential investor in Bournemouth – Bournemouth Council can’t be trusted to honour their word, Bournemouth is closed to investors.
Perhaps it's best to also consider the possibility of a bigger game being played here. 'single handed decision to pull the plug on the Osborne Pavilion scheme and desire to pull the plug on West Central sends a very clear message to any potential investor ', really? But can we be certain that the plug to the evidently once Council favoured Nautilus development has truly been pulled.

For how about the recent suggestion that the intended 'investors' in the Pavilion Nautilus scheme are principally withholding their funding because the Council's CPO of the West Central scheme site has not (yet) been confirmed? Perhaps it just suits some folk at present to put the Nautilus scheme in the long grass and well out of sight whilst this controversial - but for it apparently crucial - Council CPO is pursued to scupper it's West Central rival.

Reports of Nautilus's 'death' may ultimately prove to have been very timely and not a little exaggerated. We shall see.
Are you saying that Osborne's Pavilion Scheme is still alive in the water, when according to Echo's reports it not only ran out of time and money but because of the terrible cost to the taxpayers of leasing back the underground car park at £3,000,000 per year over 75 years, that is the bit worrying Me.
I may have overlooked it, but I do not recall the agreed 75-year Council lease back of the Nautilus car park ever being withdrawn or actually cited in any way as a 'reason' for the scheme's latest stall. But it was reported that Nautilus simply ran out of Council 'time' securing funding, a situation later much expanded upon in quotes (15th/23rd Jan) from the promoter directly linking the projects funding problem/s and delays to the finalisation of a Council CPO on the West Central site - which of course would scupper the rival plan.

So no, I believe it would be unrealistic to regard the once apparently Council favoured Nautilus project as dead and buried, especially if/when this Exeter Road CPO is finalised.
[quote][p][bold]Redgolfer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: The only winners in any ongoing legal battle between Bournemouth Council and Licet will be the lawyers. . Beesley needs to stop acting like a petulant child and grow up. It was Bournemouth Council who gave the go ahead for the West Central scheme and Beelsey should honour that decision. The long term damage of Beesleys single handed decision to pull the plug on the Osborne Pavilion scheme and desire to pull the plug on West Central sends a very clear message to any potential investor in Bournemouth – Bournemouth Council can’t be trusted to honour their word, Bournemouth is closed to investors.[/p][/quote]Perhaps it's best to also consider the possibility of a bigger game being played here. 'single handed decision to pull the plug on the Osborne Pavilion scheme and desire to pull the plug on West Central sends a very clear message to any potential investor ', really? But can we be certain that the plug to the evidently once Council favoured Nautilus development has truly been pulled. For how about the recent suggestion that the intended 'investors' in the Pavilion Nautilus scheme are principally withholding their funding because the Council's CPO of the West Central scheme site has not (yet) been confirmed? Perhaps it just suits some folk at present to put the Nautilus scheme in the long grass and well out of sight whilst this controversial - but for it apparently crucial - Council CPO is pursued to scupper it's West Central rival. Reports of Nautilus's 'death' may ultimately prove to have been very timely and not a little exaggerated. We shall see.[/p][/quote]Are you saying that Osborne's Pavilion Scheme is still alive in the water, when according to Echo's reports it not only ran out of time and money but because of the terrible cost to the taxpayers of leasing back the underground car park at £3,000,000 per year over 75 years, that is the bit worrying Me.[/p][/quote]I may have overlooked it, but I do not recall the agreed 75-year Council lease back of the Nautilus car park ever being withdrawn or actually cited in any way as a 'reason' for the scheme's latest stall. But it was reported that Nautilus simply ran out of Council 'time' securing funding, a situation later much expanded upon in quotes (15th/23rd Jan) from the promoter directly linking the projects funding problem/s and delays to the finalisation of a Council CPO on the West Central site - which of course would scupper the rival plan. So no, I believe it would be unrealistic to regard the once apparently Council favoured Nautilus project as dead and buried, especially if/when this Exeter Road CPO is finalised. muscliffman
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9:06pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Kieran S says...

The council seems sure it wants to pursue a CPO, why dont they just buy Throop Mill? Some investment in an area that isn't Central Bournemouth would be nice. Something for the residents and not the tourists.
The council seems sure it wants to pursue a CPO, why dont they just buy Throop Mill? Some investment in an area that isn't Central Bournemouth would be nice. Something for the residents and not the tourists. Kieran S
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5:11am Wed 29 Jan 14

Phixer says...

skydriver wrote:
Up and down the country these local councillors are getting it in the neck due to their daft decision making, none of them are working for the people who put them in office, I feel many have their own hidden agenda. It's the same in Christchurch, and I believe it's down to leadership, and that is what all these councils clearly lack. Come the next round of elections these same councillors who have been upsetting the local folk will be on our doorsteps begging for us to vote for them. We have long memories and we remember who are the ones who have taken little or no notice of what the locals are asking for., I really feel some of these councillors need to rethink their positions, .remember it is us that put you their we can just as easily remove you. And I feel that time has come to do just that.
Has it ever been different? Look back a century to realise that it was local business men with an agenda that became councillors.

Experience shows that we have very short memories, not much better than goldfish, when it comes to voting at elections. Without a proper election campaign we just vote for the same again.
[quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: Up and down the country these local councillors are getting it in the neck due to their daft decision making, none of them are working for the people who put them in office, I feel many have their own hidden agenda. It's the same in Christchurch, and I believe it's down to leadership, and that is what all these councils clearly lack. Come the next round of elections these same councillors who have been upsetting the local folk will be on our doorsteps begging for us to vote for them. We have long memories and we remember who are the ones who have taken little or no notice of what the locals are asking for., I really feel some of these councillors need to rethink their positions, .remember it is us that put you their we can just as easily remove you. And I feel that time has come to do just that.[/p][/quote]Has it ever been different? Look back a century to realise that it was local business men with an agenda that became councillors. Experience shows that we have very short memories, not much better than goldfish, when it comes to voting at elections. Without a proper election campaign we just vote for the same again. Phixer
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5:15am Wed 29 Jan 14

Phixer says...

mookie44 wrote:
Don't see why people moan about this? You get a brand new cinema and a Nando's! instead of a crappy overpriced car park. Win Win
Wow! They spend my tax money and all I get is another Nando's. All that income going to yet another out-of-town beneficiary.
[quote][p][bold]mookie44[/bold] wrote: Don't see why people moan about this? You get a brand new cinema and a Nando's! instead of a crappy overpriced car park. Win Win[/p][/quote]Wow! They spend my tax money and all I get is another Nando's. All that income going to yet another out-of-town beneficiary. Phixer
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5:19am Wed 29 Jan 14

Phixer says...

MrPitiful wrote:
Hope this gets completed.

This would be the worst and most inappropriate place in town for a bus station. Can't think of anywhere worse.

It may have been ok in the golden olden days but the town needs to move with the times a bit more.

Stick a load of buses there and we just take misguided steps back in time.
Typical! Tell us where not to put a bus station but no sensible comment about where to provide a cohesive transport hub.
[quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: Hope this gets completed. This would be the worst and most inappropriate place in town for a bus station. Can't think of anywhere worse. It may have been ok in the golden olden days but the town needs to move with the times a bit more. Stick a load of buses there and we just take misguided steps back in time.[/p][/quote]Typical! Tell us where not to put a bus station but no sensible comment about where to provide a cohesive transport hub. Phixer
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